Thursday, 2018-09-06

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openstackgerritfupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Add an example to add more pci devices in nova.conf  https://review.openstack.org/59224300:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Move str to six.string_types  https://review.openstack.org/59949300:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Fix a failure to format config sample  https://review.openstack.org/59798600:49
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naichuansmriedem: Got it, Matt. I can't got PTG this time, maybe bauzas: and efried: could take care about it with you?01:02
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melwittSundar: I got your email, I'll add info to our etherpad about cyborg/nova on monday from 2-3pm01:22
openstackgerritfupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Delete allocations for instances that have been moved to another node  https://review.openstack.org/58289901:23
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Sundarmelwitt: Thank you01:33
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melwittthanks01:35
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openstackgerritBrin Zhang proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Resource retrieving: add changes-before filter  https://review.openstack.org/59197603:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova stable/rocky: Don't use '_TransactionContextManager._async'  https://review.openstack.org/59742104:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Doc: PowerVM does support shelve  https://review.openstack.org/59305205:47
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova stable/rocky: Fix a failure to format config sample  https://review.openstack.org/60033606:10
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bauzasnaichuans: hi08:01
bauzasnaichuans: sure, I'll make sure I get you concerns08:01
bauzasyour*08:01
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openstackgerritBrin Zhang proposed openstack/nova master: Resource retrieving: add changes-before filter  https://review.openstack.org/59927608:10
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openstackgerritElod Illes proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Remove noisy DEBUG log  https://review.openstack.org/60037208:29
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shyambHi10:28
shyambOn compute node, I see ownership of "/var/lib/nova/instances/snapshots" as root:root10:28
shyamball other directories in "/var/lib/nova" has nova:nova ownership10:28
shyambIs it expected or some issue?10:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Fix nits: Compute: Handle reshaped provider trees  https://review.openstack.org/59838711:02
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openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova master: tests: autospecs all the mock.patch usages  https://review.openstack.org/47077511:17
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openstackgerritVladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Fix resource tracker updates during instance evacuation  https://review.openstack.org/60042512:15
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mriedemnaichuans: looks like the xen driver has some unit tests that actually execute openssl? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/179085013:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1790850 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Xenapi test failure when building the Debian 18.0.0 package in Sid" [Undecided,New]13:23
naichuansmriedem: I don't familiar with this part of the code. But you are right, look we are using openSLL in xenapi. Is that a version conflict?13:27
mriedemyes looks like it's generating an error on debian sid13:27
bauzasI remember some old story about that13:28
naichuansIs it urgent? Or I will look into it tomorrow. bauzs: anything could share with us?13:29
mriedemnaichuans: no not urgent13:29
naichuansThanks, Matt13:29
bauzasnaichuans: trying to remember the situation we had13:30
openstackgerritTetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/nova stable/rocky: placement: use simple code paths when possible  https://review.openstack.org/60044713:30
naichuans:) bauzas:13:31
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mriedemif anyone has a py37 system, we have a few unit test bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1790847 https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/179084913:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1790847 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failing tests when building Rocky Debian package in Python 3.7" [Medium,Confirmed]13:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1790849 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failng hacking tests when building Rocky Debian package under Python 3.7" [Medium,Confirmed]13:32
bauzasnaichuans: mriedem: yup, remember this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/177150613:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1771506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Unit test failure with OpenSSL 1.1.1" [Low,Confirmed]13:33
bauzaswe're like super dependent on openssl because of xen13:33
bauzassomething we should probably mock out13:33
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mriedemah i'll mark the dupe13:35
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naichuansYes, it should be same. Thanks, bauzas13:35
naichuansI will look into it tomorrow13:36
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Add an example to add more pci devices in nova.conf  https://review.openstack.org/59224313:41
efriedmriedem: I would feel more comfortable approving https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592243/ if I had your eyes on it.13:42
efriedstephenfin: wanna have a look at that one last time -^13:42
efried(hopefully last :)13:42
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mriedemefried: pci anything in nova is my biggest weakness13:47
mriedemi added moshe and sahid13:47
efriedmriedem: I already shepherded this patch to not touch the pci code. It was originally going to change the logic so you *could* specify [{...}, ...]13:48
efriedmriedem: But okay, thanks.13:48
melwittnova meeting in 10 min13:50
mriedemthis reminds me to look at that persons other patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582899/13:50
mriedemwith 0 explanation in the commit mesage13:50
mriedem*message13:50
mriedembig ol 0113:55
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mriedemdansmith: heh i was just going to point you at ^13:55
mriedemand now see, "We should get Matt's read on this as well. However, I'm skeptical of  how/why this would be happening and thus think we should require a  healthy bug report showing the root cause. "13:56
mriedemi said basically the same thing13:56
dansmithis there more info now?13:56
mriedemnot in the commit message13:56
mriedemthe bug report says there are mq issues13:57
mriedemthat's about it13:57
dansmithright, well, that's not enough, IMHO13:57
mriedemyeah i can't tell if this is talking about resize or build reschedules or what13:57
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mriedem"Exception during message handling: MessageDeliveryFailure: Unable to connect to AMQP server on 10.127.3.64:5672 after None tries: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '__getitem__'"13:58
mriedemdoesn't really tell me anything13:59
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dansmithI'm just not interested in working too hard at it with so little detail13:59
mriedemyeah me neither14:00
mriedemi'm just not interested in working14:00
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mriedemdamn gibi is gone14:03
mriedemneed a re-+2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599744/14:03
mriedemalex_xu: or you can proxy gibi's +2 and approve ^ since he was +2 before i removed the try/except stuff14:03
openstackgerritClaudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova master: hyper-v: autospec classes before they are instantiated  https://review.openstack.org/34221114:04
dansmithmriedem: so that online migration has to be removed when the split happens yeah?14:05
mriedemdansmith: yup14:07
mriedemi don't know how we're going to do those14:07
dansmithah, I guess this is all within placement tables anyway?14:07
mriedemyeah14:07
dansmithI was thinking this had to cross-reference nova and placement things14:07
dansmithokay, so placement'll need a way to trigger this beyond that I suppose14:07
cdenti've started some _very_ hand-wavey motions in the direction of a placement-manage14:08
mriedemcdent: efried: the reshaper item ~L269 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-stein should probably move to the retrospective etherpad?14:09
mriedemit's more of a retrospective item right?14:09
efriedmriedem: okay14:09
sahidefried: i shared my idea14:10
efriedwhich, if we do that, will let cdent keep the reins14:10
cdentyeah, I think that existed before the retro etherpad did. and the retro etherpad needs friends14:10
mriedemso i guess i'll move it14:12
mriedemdone14:12
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efriedthanks matt14:12
openstackgerritVladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova master: Fix resource tracker updates during instance evacuation  https://review.openstack.org/60042514:22
stephenfinefried: We shouldn't be dropping 'default' on that patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592243/14:29
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openstackgerritsean mooney proposed openstack/nova master: add caching to _build_regex_range  https://review.openstack.org/59907114:38
sean-k-mooneyefried: alex_xu ^ i have made this use just a dictonry as a cache. im still getting a reasonable speedup, we may want to consider going to the global cache at a later point but this is simpler solution for now14:42
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mriedemoh boy the age old "should every commit be deployable" question is being debated in the tc channel14:52
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melwittrecently penick was talking about having a new cluster that deploys trunk14:53
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efriedstephenfin: The problem with the default being [] is that it makes you think you can use square brackets to define a list, which you can't. And back in PS2 where they were trying to fix the code so that it *would* accept square brackets, I told them to quit because we don't want to be spending more resources working on this code. Which of course we now are :(15:00
stephenfinefried: Ah, this is the bug in the oslo.config sphinxext module, right?15:01
bauzasefried: dansmith: mriedem: others, sorry had to leave urgently because I missed my kids at schoold15:01
bauzasI'm fine with punting the question about PCI future at the pth15:01
bauzaspth15:01
bauzasshit15:01
bauzasptg15:01
bauzasbut my take on it is "we can do some generic device refactoring in nova, while cyborg raises up"15:02
bauzasI don't think it's a problem to us15:02
bauzasand the community15:02
efriedbauzas: Okay, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/591037/ when you get a chance then.15:02
efriedstephenfin: I don't think it has to do with sphinxext15:03
efriedstephenfin: If the default is [] I would think the sphinx doc should display it as []. But that's the confusing part (to the user).15:03
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mriedemefried: btw, i don't mean to minimize your gpu/pci/cyborg thing, i was just airing out my anxiety over the amount of stuff we have loaded up15:04
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mriedemwhich mostly makes me want to crawl in a hole15:04
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efriedmriedem: Duly noted. But I should point out that I am expected to be making certain things happen to the benefit of those who sign my paycheck. I.e. I'm not totally free to work on a thing just because it's deemed a priority for nova-at-large, if that is to the exclusion of working on a thing that's a slightly-lesser-priority-for-nova-but-#1-priority-for-employer.15:07
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/rocky: Configure placement DB context manager for nova-manage/status  https://review.openstack.org/60046415:07
mriedemefried: yup i know, same here15:07
bauzasheh, we're all on the same boat15:08
dansmithheh15:09
bauzasor you would see me more often15:09
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mriedemwell,15:16
mriedemwe don't all get august off...15:16
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bauzasmriedem: touché, my point being on the 45 other weeks :p15:26
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efriedstephenfin: Hm, actually it looks like there *is* a sphinx bug https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#pci <== the default is showing up as u'' here15:30
efriedI mean, it's still confusing if you're looking at the source; not sure how many admins do that vs looking at the html.15:31
efriedand if that bug gets fixed...15:31
dansmithmriedem: looks like the latest rev of the configurable instance list behavior is failing unit tests15:33
dansmithshe's out until next week, but maybe we can get that landed then, if I don't get a chance to fix some trivial test failure before then15:33
mriedemlanded in denver you mean?15:34
mriedemi saw the tests failing15:34
dansmithlanded in denver yeah15:35
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dansmithhmm, it's in the middle of her stack now,15:36
dansmithwhich is probably why it's breaking15:36
dansmithI dunno why15:36
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dansmithwhy it's in the middle I mean15:36
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cdentsigh, how we supposed to think about forum when the ptg hasn't even happened yet?15:50
mriedemguh so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/585475/ is still failing15:50
mriedemgmann: do you have any ideas on the tempest test failing your change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/585475/ ?15:51
mriedemcdent: oh that's easy15:51
mriedemnova at the edge, LTS releases, API v3, <insert generic thing that will never amount to anything>15:52
mriedemoh FFU15:52
mriedemcan't forget FFU15:52
mriedemFFU & U!15:52
mriedemwell, i can't say they won't amount to anything, they will amount to SIG formation where those SIGs don't do anything15:53
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mriedemmelwitt: looks like we need a rocky series for novaclient bug tracking https://launchpad.net/python-novaclient16:04
melwittmriedem: oh, I missed that16:05
melwittpoor ol novaclient16:05
melwittneed to do all our libs actually16:06
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melwittmriedem: added rocky and stein to novaclient16:12
mriedemthanks16:13
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: fup: Fix import order and test nit  https://review.openstack.org/60047416:16
melwittlooks like the other libs (os-traits, os-vif, placement-osc-plugin) just follow "trunk" and no series needed? it's not consistent16:18
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nicolasbockHi, say I was hit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1709902 and have a few VMs now that are running somewhere where they are not supposed to16:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1709902 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "source host allocation not cleaned up in placement after evacuation" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Balazs Gibizer (balazs-gibizer)16:26
nicolasbockHow would I get them to be correctly registered again?16:27
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stephenfinefried: Sorry, was on a call (and follow-ups). Yeah, I think you mentioned that issue before to me, hence why I brought it up again16:36
efriedstephenfin: It didn't sound familiar, so if I brought it up, I purged the memory.16:37
efriedstephenfin: See latest comment, not sure where to go from here. Back to PS2, or put really awkward words in, or <something else>...?16:37
stephenfinefried: But, as you've summarized on the review, using that default is the correct thing to do. Confusingly, the default reflects the _processed_ result, i.e. once oslo.config has gone and merged all those disparate 'alias' values into one list16:38
stephenfinefried: I'm also not 100% sure that the bug upstream is a bug as it's hiding the above fact from the user16:38
efriedWell, the bug just complains that you break if you use square brackets. Which is true.16:39
stephenfinefried: The changes they've made to the help text are valid and should be retained. It's just the changes to default that need to be removed16:39
stephenfinefried: In nova.conf?16:39
efriedyeah16:39
efriedit breaks when we try to process it.16:40
efriednot an oslo problem, a nova problem.16:40
stephenfinefried: Yeah, then our docs are wrong. We never supported use of list values for that option16:40
stephenfinYup, a nova docs problem16:40
stephenfinFixing this by adding processing of lists would be a feature, not a bug fix, as you've pointed out. Fixing it by correcting the docs, on the other hand, is a must do16:41
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stephenfinefried: That make sense?16:43
efriedstephenfin: Yeah, I get it. And their add definitely helps. But don't you feel like we should mention that you *can't* use a square-bracket list, despite the fact that the default makes it look like you can?16:43
stephenfinefried: The default in the code but not the docs. I think a comment would be a-ok16:44
stephenfinI wouldn't put it into the docstring since that's going to show up in the HTML docs and nova.conf templates, neither of which will actually have that default16:45
efriedstephenfin: But only because there's a bug?16:47
stephenfinefried: Is it a bug or is it a feature? :)16:47
efriedstephenfin: The default being [] is something that *should* show up in the docs16:47
efriedbecause that's how it shows up in code.16:47
stephenfinefried: Right, but recall what I said above. The default for these MultiStrOpt opts applies to the final value, not each individual entry16:48
stephenfinNot a great design decision in oslo.config, if you ask me, but not something one could fix without breaking the world16:48
efriedstephenfin: sorry, I don't follow. You mean that by saying the default is '' it's actually saying that omitting it is equivalent to specifying16:49
efriedalias = ''16:49
efried?16:49
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efriedcause... it ain't, I'm pretty sure. If you did that, you would either get '' or ['']16:49
efriedwhereas omitting it you get []16:50
efriedf idk16:50
efriedmaybe I'm the one thinking too hard about this, and it's obvious to admins16:50
melwittI was thinking it was a bug that a list doesn't work and that we would fix it. did someone not want to fix it?16:51
efriedbut seeing default=[] makes me think that I would use [...] to specify multiple values.16:51
efriedmelwitt: Yeah, they fixed that in PS2 but I shot it down because we don't want to do more work on pci code.16:51
stephenfinefried: Yeah, which is why the docs lie16:51
melwitt(I just commented on the review but now see it's being discussed still here)16:51
stephenfinmelwitt: We don't want/need to do that. It's a feature. The bug is in the documentation, IMO16:51
efriedmelwitt: or as stephenfin put it, fixing it to take a list would be a "feature".16:51
melwittoh, okay. stephenfin definitely knows more than me about the intention when it was created, so if a list was not meant to work, then I agree, doc bug16:52
melwittI had thought because of the examples in the config help, it was supposed to work as a list16:52
stephenfin`MultiStrOpt`s are meant to be defined multiple times in a nova.conf. No reason to support defining it multiple ways. More JSON is the last thing anyone needs16:53
stephenfinmelwitt: Clearly so did whoever wrote the docs (probably me, tbf) :) It's wrong though16:53
melwittI see16:53
* stephenfin goes to see who he should throw something at16:53
* stephenfin throws shoe at self16:54
stephenfinouch16:54
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stephenfinefried: Personally, I'd stick in a comment saying "this means the option is undefined" and leave it at that. There are bigger battles to be fought16:55
stephenfinI'll see if I can clear up the oslo.config docs post-PTG16:55
efriedyup, agreed; just want to be encouraging here :)16:56
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stephenfinand with that I take my leave. See y'all in Denver o/16:56
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cfriesendo we have any idea when the stein spec freeze would end up?17:24
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cfriesennever mind, found it17:26
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melwittcfriesen: I think we're going to discuss that as part of the rocky retro, but I expect it'll be at s-117:28
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melwittlast time we made it later (2nd milestone) because of runways, but we're going to reassess now that we know how runways went last time http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-August/133757.html17:30
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mriedemnicolasbock: did you get an answer?17:42
mriedemnicolasbock: if you have an evacuated instance with allocations against multiple resource providers (compute nodes) in placement, and one is against the old source host you evacuated *from*, you should be able to cleanup those bogus allocations using the OSC placement CLI17:45
mriedemhttps://docs.openstack.org/osc-placement/latest/cli/index.html#resource-provider-allocation-show17:45
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mriedemjaypipes: super fun questions about metadata api and config drive in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599598/17:59
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nicolasbockmriedem, Ah thanks!18:29
mriedemnicolasbock: w/o knowing your full situation, that's my first guess - let me know if that doesn't align with what you're dealing with18:30
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nicolasbockmriedem, Thanks. Is there a command line client for placement?18:30
nicolasbockOr is that done directly through the API via curl?18:31
mriedemthat's the osc-placement plugin18:31
mriedemin the docs i linked18:31
mriedemhttps://docs.openstack.org/osc-placement/latest/18:31
mriedemhttps://pypi.org/project/osc-placement/18:31
nicolasbockThanks!18:32
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mriedemso grenade hasn't been working in stein yet just fyi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/591594/19:02
mriedemgood news is you can skip level from queens to stein!19:03
mriedemFFU MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!19:03
jrollcongrats19:03
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mriedemmnaser: you've been summoned to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600157/19:15
mriedemdiscussion about how extracted placement is going to deal with config19:16
mnaserhi19:16
mriedemright now, as written, deployers would need to copy/rename nova.conf to placement.conf *or* write a fresh placement.conf with the needed stuff that was in nova.conf before19:16
mriedemthere is no "if nova.conf: use it; else placement.conf"19:16
mriedemwe'll likely be doing the latter in grenade19:17
mnaserwell19:18
mnaserwe've always deprecated things19:18
mnaserso i don't see why this would be any different19:19
mnaserif anything this is way more critical than any other config disappearing19:19
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mriedemyou mean as in deprecated but still rely on nova.conf in extracted placement, and drop support for placement using nova.conf in T?19:21
mnasermriedem: load in order of /etc/placement.conf => /etc/nova/nova.conf in S with a giant warning19:22
mnaserdrop that in T19:22
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mriedemi believe that's what jaypipes asked for on the review19:22
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jaypipescorrect.19:23
mnaseri really hope to try and loop in other deployment tools into this19:24
mnaseri.e. tripleo19:24
mriedembeyond config, the other major thing is obviously the db19:24
mriedemif placement does use nova.conf in stein (use/supports as a bridge), it would rely on the [api_database]/connection config19:25
mnaseryeah and also19:25
mriedemlooks like that code is still there19:26
mnaserwasnt placement_database a thing19:26
mnaserbut i think that was removed cause it wasn't wired19:26
mriedemin openstack/placement, to support that19:26
mnaseri cant remember if it was fixed19:26
mriedemCONF.placement_database is a thing in rocky19:26
mriedemoptional thing19:26
mnaserok so that's back19:26
mriedemyes19:26
mnaserso the logic to determine the db source would be useful there19:26
mriedemif not set, it still uses the nova_api db19:26
* mnaser is terrified of poorly configured deploys which will be surprised19:26
mnaseri remember some deployment tools actually creating a placement db19:27
mnaserand pointing that stuff to it19:27
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/placement/blob/master/placement/db_api.py#L2719:27
mriedemyeah i think i remember that, maybe kolla?19:27
mriedemi do remember it triggering that we needed to remove some shit from the nova config that was missed when that was originally reverted19:27
mnasermriedem: i added a comment with my pov19:28
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jaypipesmriedem: again, my primary concern is the use of default values if /etc/placement.conf doesn't exist and how that would be quite difficult to diagnose if there were changed values in the /etc/nova.conf for placement-related stuffs.19:31
mnaseryeah i can imagine that being so confusing19:32
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mriedemthere's not actually a ton of configuration options for placement, mostly policy, db, and some other small things,19:33
mriedembut yeah if your db is pointing at the wrong thing, i.e. nothing, you're f'ed19:34
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efriededmondsw: You'll be interested in this discussion from the nova mtg this morning: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-09-06-14.00.log.html#l-12020:18
efriededmondsw: TL;DR: we should proceed as if cyborg ain't a thing, and worry about integrating with cyborg later as it matures.20:20
efriededmondsw: Which means pretty much sticking with the direction of the spec(s) as written.20:20
efriedwhich is good timeline-wise :)20:20
edmondswthat sounds good to me, assuming we'll be able to squeeze cyborg in when the time comes without reinventing too much20:21
edmondsws/assuming/hoping/ ?20:21
efriedyeah, that was my concern, but it's between that rock and the hard place of trying to anticipate $world-with-cyborg before that's a thing.20:21
edmondswyep20:22
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edmondswI see many interesting PTG conversations in your future...20:22
edmondswwish I could be there20:22
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gryf+++++++++++++++++21:01
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mnaserfun fact21:32
mnaserconsole logs disappear on live migration21:33
mnaserthemoreyouknow.gif21:33
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mriedemyou're welcome21:47
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mriedemso i thought artom changed direction on numa-aware live migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599587/ ?21:53
mriedembecause the re-proposed spec is the same old thing21:54
mriedemstephenfin: ^21:54
mriedembtw, GET /artom is a 40421:54
mriedemwtf?21:54
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova-specs master: Add serial numbers for local disks  https://review.openstack.org/59524722:05
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