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| ianw | yeah, a couple of of things seems to get magically better when you use the arm64 hwe kernels (4.13) v the default (4.4) ... not surprising given the pace of change in the area | 00:03 |
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| takashin | mriedem: Would you remove -2 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513721/ ? | 00:04 |
| takashin | mriedem: A patch for stable/pike has been merged. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513717/ ) | 00:04 |
| takashin | mriedem: Are you around? | 00:05 |
| mriedem | takashin: changed to a -1 | 00:06 |
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| takashin | mriedem: Thanks. I will fix it. | 00:07 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: commented, due to irrelevant-files you want to keep that job explicitly in nove defined job? | 00:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: unquiesce instance on volume snapshot failure https://review.openstack.org/519464 | 00:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add the ability to get absolute limits from Cinder https://review.openstack.org/520122 | 00:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Check quota before creating volume snapshots https://review.openstack.org/520158 | 00:08 |
| mriedem | gmann_: yes | 00:09 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: +1. | 00:10 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: we need to define the same for tempest-full too to avoid it running for those. also i still see neutron-grenade for doc/api-ref changes .i thought i fixed that. let me check again | 00:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Move queens implemented specs https://review.openstack.org/542505 | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Move queens implemented specs https://review.openstack.org/542505 | 00:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: doc: fix the link for the evacuate cli https://review.openstack.org/542508 | 00:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Encode libvirt domain XML in UTF-8 https://review.openstack.org/522161 | 00:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: doc: mention that --on-shared-storage is not needed with nova evacuate https://review.openstack.org/542512 | 00:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | peiyu proposed openstack/nova master: replace if by elif https://review.openstack.org/542520 | 01:17 |
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| jianghuaw | bauzas, are you around? | 01:24 |
| jianghuaw | bauzas, sorry. Too late for you:-) | 01:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Bump compute RPC API to version 5.0 https://review.openstack.org/541005 | 01:29 |
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| mnaser | is there a list of topics being discussed at the ptg for nova? | 01:31 |
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| takashin | mnaser: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-rocky | 01:34 |
| mnaser | takashin: thanks! | 01:34 |
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| mnaser | added an item of something we just ran into :> | 01:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Compute RPC client bump to 5.0 https://review.openstack.org/541035 | 01:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Clean up reservations in migrate_task call path https://review.openstack.org/542409 | 01:44 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: mriedem johnthetubaguy sdague FYI, i added a API topic to discuss in PTG, granular policy : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-rocky L224 | 01:59 |
| openstackgerrit | gaobin proposed openstack/nova master: Correction revised as Show https://review.openstack.org/542539 | 02:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhongshengping proposed openstack/nova master: Refine waiting for vif plug events during _hard_reboot https://review.openstack.org/541442 | 02:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix missing blueprint URLs https://review.openstack.org/542543 | 02:16 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 02:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix missing blueprint URLs https://review.openstack.org/542543 | 03:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/541561 | 06:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | sunjiazz proposed openstack/nova master: Snapshot the volume-backed instance without min_disk in image metadate. https://review.openstack.org/542646 | 07:04 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Release Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Update reno for stable/queens https://review.openstack.org/542658 | 07:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid live mgirate to same host https://review.openstack.org/542689 | 07:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Remove MigrationPreCheckClientException https://review.openstack.org/542704 | 08:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ameed Ashour proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Change documentation theme https://review.openstack.org/542378 | 08:25 |
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| bauzas | good morning Novaers | 08:46 |
| gmann_ | morning | 08:47 |
| gmann_ | FYI. if you see neutron-grenade job running on api-ref change the this is fix - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542705/ | 08:47 |
| bauzas | gmann_: wrong chan? :p I can see it's for the neutron repo :) | 08:49 |
| gmann_ | bauzas: for nova only. our api-ref change run this job, which is not relevant :) | 08:49 |
| gmann_ | its in nova pipeline also but did not handle api-ref/* | 08:50 |
| gmann_ | i mean FYI for nova if anyone see it strange :) | 08:52 |
| hrw | morning | 08:52 |
| hrw | ianw: thanks ;) | 08:53 |
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| ameeda | Morning :) | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | baiwenteng proposed openstack/nova master: Fix grammar error https://review.openstack.org/542733 | 09:02 |
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| hrw | support matrix commands need an update too ;D | 09:08 |
| hrw | (venv-for-kolla) 09:07 (1s) linaro@cb-r1-m1-c1n1:kolla-ansible$ nova host-update --maintenance disable c8n1.mlab | 09:08 |
| hrw | WARNING: Command host-update is deprecated and will be removed in the first major release after the Nova server 16.0.0 Pike release. There is no replacement or alternative for this command. Specify --os-compute-api-version less than 2.43 to continue using this command until it is removed. | 09:08 |
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| lyarwood | Morning all | 09:15 |
| hrw | heh. I took nova compute down with 'nova service-force-down' and now have problem to get it up ;D | 09:15 |
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| lyarwood | so with rc1 tagged stable/queens is open now right? /me always gets this wrong | 09:16 |
| hrw | hm. neither novaclient nor horizon are able to get it up :( | 09:17 |
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| bauzas | lyarwood: that's a correct assumption https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/stable/queens | 09:19 |
| bauzas | RC1 is actually a branch, not a tag | 09:20 |
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| lyarwood | aaaaaaaaaaaaaand back to normal | 09:22 |
| lyarwood | bauzas: are you saying that stable/queens is the rc branch? | 09:23 |
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| bauzas | yup | 09:24 |
| bauzas | the relmgmt team branches on the RC1 tag | 09:24 |
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| bauzas | we had some diagram in the past that explained the release thingy | 09:24 |
| bauzas | in some wikipage | 09:25 |
| bauzas | but I don't know if that got trampled somehow | 09:25 |
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| lyarwood | bauzas: right, I thought you were trying to say that there was another rc branch somewhere, that makes sense. | 09:25 |
| bauzas | so, changes targeting RC2 (or more) requires both a master patch *and* a stable/queens patch | 09:25 |
| bauzas | we don't branch when we GA | 09:26 |
| lyarwood | kk | 09:26 |
| lyarwood | thanks :) | 09:26 |
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| bauzas | lyarwood: cgit shows it nicely http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/ | 09:26 |
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| bauzas | I mean http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/log/ | 09:27 |
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| lyarwood | bauzas: right, I was looking at GH but wasn't sure what we could actually land in stable/queens at this point | 09:27 |
| lyarwood | bauzas: I've pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542738/ for now | 09:28 |
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| bauzas | lyarwood: yeah, that's the regular process for asking a RC candidate | 09:33 |
| bauzas | the master change is merged, now you request for a RC2 | 09:33 |
| bauzas | the question stable core reviewers should wonder is whether we provide that in a new RC2 or if we wait for a stable point release | 09:33 |
| bauzas | (just explaining the process) | 09:33 |
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| bauzas | (to anyone in the chan) | 09:34 |
| bauzas | hence why we branch on RC1 | 09:34 |
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| bauzas | in general, we keep RC patches for only regression bugfixes | 09:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Marcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/nova master: Provide basic data for AArch64 support matrix/functionality https://review.openstack.org/541728 | 09:35 |
| hrw | another few entries to matrix | 09:36 |
| lyarwood | bauzas: I don't think it's a stable/core issue that the moment as I don't have +2 on that branch until after GA iirc ;) | 09:36 |
| * lyarwood leaves it to the cores to approve | 09:37 | |
| lyarwood | at the moment* | 09:37 |
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| bauzas | lyarwood: yeah, RC branch (which is not yet a stable branch) is having different gerrit permissions | 09:37 |
| bauzas | nova cores can +2 on RC branch by default but not on stable branches | 09:38 |
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| bauzas | and that's the opposity for stable cores | 09:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Random names for functional tests https://review.openstack.org/542745 | 09:40 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid live mgirate to same host https://review.openstack.org/542689 | 09:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Refine waiting for vif plug events during _hard_reboot https://review.openstack.org/542748 | 09:52 |
| hrw | bauzas: thx for info. had no idea about stable|master core split | 09:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova stable/ocata: Refine waiting for vif plug events during _hard_reboot https://review.openstack.org/542767 | 10:28 |
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| hrw | so, anyone knows how to get service up after 'nova service-force-down' call? | 10:29 |
| gibi | mriedem, gmann_: I also have some patches on the project config regarding the tempest-full job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538908/ | 10:29 |
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| gibi | hrw: the API has a forced_down flag that you can set to false https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#update-forced-down | 10:41 |
| hrw | gibi: thx | 10:41 |
| gibi | hrw: the nova client has a --unset flag to do that | 10:41 |
| hrw | weird | 10:42 |
| hrw | works ;D | 10:43 |
| gibi | :) | 10:43 |
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| hrw | there should just be 'openstack service up' and 'openstack service down --force' ;D | 10:43 |
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| gibi | hrw: the service has an administrative state (enable/disable) and an operational state (up, down, forced_down) | 10:46 |
| hrw | gibi: so 'openstack service up/down/enable/disable' with option --force for down? | 10:47 |
| gibi | hrw: the operational state (up, down) are not settable as that is determined by the liveness of the service, except the forced_down that you can set from outside | 10:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: TrivialFix: Add a space between messages https://review.openstack.org/541436 | 10:56 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: If I may make a small nit-pick: I'd personally s/TrivialFix/"DB: sqlalchemy"/ (or some such), and call it out as a trivial fix in the commit _body_ | 10:58 |
| kashyap | (Maybe you tag it as TriviaFix to prime reviewer's attention :-)) | 10:58 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: Good point, but I didn't write that :) | 10:59 |
| stephenfin | Just made a nit fix before merging | 10:59 |
| kashyap | Ah! Gotcha | 10:59 |
| kashyap | That's fine, let it merge now :-) | 10:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-traits master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/533994 | 11:19 |
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| hrw | http://logs.openstack.org/28/541728/10/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/31a2871/html/user/support-matrix.html looks nice | 11:31 |
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| tobasco | have an interesting issue on a mitaka cloud, doing a resize fails and os-brick runs "multipath -l" on a /dev/sdaX disk instead of a multipath so the resize fails | 11:39 |
| tobasco | the instance is volume backed, has anybody seen anything similar being fixed in os-brick in newer versions? | 11:40 |
| lyarwood | tobasco: `instead of a multipath so the resize fails` - I don't follow | 11:41 |
| lyarwood | tobasco: and in any case the cinder folks are the best people to ask re os-brick questions like this | 11:42 |
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| tobasco | lyarwood: the argument to the multipath cmd should be a multipath device, i will take it in #cinder thanks | 11:45 |
| hrw | bauzas: can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541728/ patch again? zuul generated docs already | 11:45 |
| lyarwood | tobasco: iirc path devices are also valid, but yeah check with #openstack-cinder | 11:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: [placement] use simple FaultWrapper https://review.openstack.org/533752 | 11:48 |
| tobasco | lyarwood: ah might be true, i will investigate some more, sorry for spam | 11:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Refactor WSGI apps and utils to limit imports https://review.openstack.org/533797 | 11:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Remove redundant call to add_instance_fault_from_exc in rebuild_instance https://review.openstack.org/539011 | 12:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Allow force-delete even if task_state is not None https://review.openstack.org/530879 | 13:14 |
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| fried_rice | leakypipes: Gooood morning. | 13:36 |
| cdent | edleafe: a while back you were thinking hard about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1719933 . Did you make any conclusions? Should we bother, or can we kill that bug? | 13:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719933 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Jay Pipes (jaypipes) | 13:37 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Let me know when's good to do that aggregate distance talk. I'm free for the next hour, and then from 11-4 ET | 13:37 |
| cdent | I guess you left a thing on the PTG etherpad. | 13:37 |
| * fried_rice waves at cdent and edleafe | 13:37 | |
| cdent | moin | 13:37 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice: let's do 11am | 13:41 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Roger that. | 13:42 |
| fried_rice | cdent, edleafe, stephenfin, cfriesen, sean-k-mooney: ^ FYI. I'll be taking notes and writing something up after the fact in any case. | 13:42 |
| cdent | fried_rice++ | 13:43 |
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| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: just read scoll back | 13:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | * reading | 13:44 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: Not much scrollback - I'm going to get a brain dump from leakypipes on "modeling [anti-]affinity via aggregate distance" in 2.25h | 13:44 |
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| bauzas | oh fuuuuuu | 13:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | Ah ok | 13:45 |
| bauzas | Friday FTW | 13:45 |
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| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: This is related to our NUMA discussions the other day, so I tagged you cause you might be interested to join. But if not, I'll be producing something written for you to consume after. | 13:45 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i would definetly like to understand how aggregate distance works as i only understand the distance along the tree approch and dont know how to connect the 2 or even if they are compatible | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Encode libvirt domain XML in UTF-8 https://review.openstack.org/542831 | 13:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: also i still own you some advanced flavours | 13:47 |
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| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: Heh, yeah, that pastebin from the other day is still on my pile to look at and quiz you about. | 13:48 |
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| figleaf | cdent: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1719933 - we agreed that the issue is more complex than simply retrying, hence the PTG discussion | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719933 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Jay Pipes (jaypipes) | 14:05 |
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| cdent | thanks figleaf. I couldn't remember if there wasn't perhaps a chance for a "meh, nevermind" | 14:07 |
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| figleaf | fried_rice: 10am CST? | 14:07 |
| fried_rice | figleaf: Yes | 14:08 |
| figleaf | cdent: it may very well end up being "meh" | 14:08 |
| figleaf | fried_rice: I can join the discussion at that time | 14:08 |
| fried_rice | coo | 14:08 |
| figleaf | cdent: I added a comment to that bug in case anyone else has memory issues | 14:13 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:13 |
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| finucannot | fried_rice: Sure thing. If you want, ping me beforehand so I don't forget :) | 14:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: doc: fix the link for the evacuate cli https://review.openstack.org/542856 | 14:39 |
| fried_rice | finucannot: Will do | 14:39 |
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| hrw | mriedem: morning | 14:42 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: What's the proper terminology to say that a NIC (or pf) is "in" a given NUMA node? | 14:42 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: So like, a NUMA node encompasses a certain portion of the system's CPUs and RAM, and also there's some kind of bus connection to NIC slots that makes it more efficient to use that NIC than the other. | 14:43 |
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| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: generally we say the nic has a numa affinity to numa node x | 14:45 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: Thanks | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: what that actully means is for a DMA or MMIO capable device the memory adress allocated to that device are from the adress range associated to numa node X | 14:46 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: Dig | 14:46 |
| fried_rice | Is master Rocky now? | 14:48 |
| fried_rice | mriedem: ^ | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | cpus get numa affinity because they are phyically closer to one memory controler then the rest. so address form that controler(numa node) can be loaded into cache faster then form a remote numa node | 14:48 |
| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: Phew, that gels with my (admittedly extremely limited) understanding. | 14:48 |
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| fried_rice | sean-k-mooney: And for PCI devices, there's something about the bus that goes to that particular I/O slot that makes the same kind of communication faster. | 14:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | kindof, each socket on a modern system(e.g. it does not have a front side bus) has a pci controler route | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | each pci slot is phyically wiered to a partcalar pci controer/socket | 14:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | so the pci slots on a mother board have socket affintiy | 14:51 |
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| sean-k-mooney | with processors with only one memory controler they have numa afinity too | 14:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | with processors with 2 memory controlers teh numa affinity is determined by what memory controler the kenerl allocates the mmio address form for that device | 14:53 |
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| fried_rice | Okay, I said 'bus' but I guess I meant 'socket'. I'm a hardware 'tard. | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | linux puts all pci devices on the first memory controler/numa node on a socket by default | 14:53 |
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| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: working at intel i kindof have to know these things but its all a little archane | 14:55 |
| openstackgerrit | melissaml proposed openstack/nova master: fix typos https://review.openstack.org/542866 | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | fried_rice: yes master is rocky since we have a stable/queens branch now, however, we likely don't want to land any major changes that are big refactors or delete code until we've fully released queens, because of backports for rc2 if we need them | 15:14 |
| mriedem | hrw: hi | 15:14 |
| fried_rice | mriedem: Roger wilco, thanks. | 15:14 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i've updated launchpad to point rocky as the dev focus, and created the rocky milestones https://launchpad.net/nova/rocky | 15:17 |
| mriedem | based on https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-release | 15:18 |
| melwitt | mriedem: cool, thank you | 15:18 |
| mriedem | i'll create a queens-rc2 milestone if we end up having one https://launchpad.net/nova/queens/ | 15:18 |
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| mriedem | lyarwood: want to hit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542323/ ? | 15:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Remove 2 redundant methods https://review.openstack.org/528325 | 15:26 |
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| lyarwood | mriedem: ack done | 15:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Poison context usage in periodic tasks https://review.openstack.org/542891 | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Poison context usage in periodic tasks https://review.openstack.org/542891 | 15:39 |
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| hrw | mriedem: went through your comments and pushed update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541728/ | 15:49 |
| hrw | mriedem: one of our team members will check for me entries I skipped | 15:50 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: can you give me another 30 mintues? | 15:51 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Okay. | 15:51 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Whyncha ping me when ready? | 15:51 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice: yeah, thanks man | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Ensure the JSON-Schema covers the legacy v2 API https://review.openstack.org/540154 | 15:55 |
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| bauwser | meh, one day without being upstream | 16:02 |
| bauwser | sad. | 16:03 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/going-the-distance | 16:07 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice: I'm ready when you are. | 16:07 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Okay, we gonna go through this or should I pre-read? | 16:08 |
| edleafe | fried_rice: it'll take an hour to read :) | 16:08 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice, edleafe: please spend some time to read and then let's get on a hangout? | 16:09 |
| fried_rice | finucannot, sean-k-mooney, edleafe, cfriesen: Heads up, we're gonna do this thing soon. | 16:09 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Roger that. | 16:09 |
| * finucannot gets tea | 16:09 | |
| edleafe | leakypipes: can I clear the pink color? | 16:09 |
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| leakypipes | edleafe: yessir, absolutely. | 16:11 |
| edleafe | ah, much easier on the eyes | 16:11 |
| fried_rice | edleafe: You need to make it solarized now. | 16:11 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: don't like the pepto-pink? :) | 16:11 |
| edleafe | black on color == :( | 16:12 |
| edleafe | ok, I think I have the gist of it | 16:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | edleafe: actully black on colour is easier to read on paper then black on white if you have dislexia but on pcs not so much. thats why they make tinted glasses for peopel with dislexia | 16:13 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: sense makes that me to. | 16:14 |
| edleafe | sean-k-mooney: good to know | 16:14 |
| * finucannot skips past all the SQL mumbojumbo | 16:14 | |
| leakypipes | finucannot: that's the GOOD stuff, man... | 16:14 |
| edleafe | finucannot: there's not much else :) | 16:14 |
| finucannot | leakypipes: You have a problem, sir. | 16:14 |
| leakypipes | finucannot: yes, well aware :) | 16:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | finucannot: so you read the titles and nothing else :P | 16:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | sql is precise | 16:15 |
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| cfriesen | are we still planning on using this for numa as well? | 16:17 |
| finucannot | ^ that was my question | 16:18 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: yes | 16:18 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: I'm ready. Hangout? | 16:18 |
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| leakypipes | cfriesen: though... meh? :) | 16:18 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: it would be a giant headache for operators to do NUMA affinity this way. | 16:18 |
| fried_rice | oh. Well, that's a point in favor of the spec I'm writing up. It handles NUMA specifically, but not much else. | 16:19 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: due to the pinning logic that needs to occur in the filtering, I'd just as likely recommend keeping the NUMATopologyFilter as-is in Nova scheduler side. | 16:19 |
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| cfriesen | leakypipes: why would operators need to do anything? | 16:20 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: the primary use cases I've had in my mind with this are the use cases around multi-failure-domain (HA) placement as well as affinity placement for groups of instances (with tolerances for relative distances between where those instances land) | 16:20 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: well, perhaps the operator wouldn't... maybe the virt driver could auto-create the aggregates and set distances. | 16:21 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen: for numa nodes, etc | 16:21 |
| cfriesen | leakypipes: makes sense. do you see us being able to drop the server group affinity/antiaffinity filters? | 16:22 |
| leakypipes | cfriesen, finucannot, sean-k-mooney, fried_rice, edleafe: hmm, perhaps it wasn't obvious, but I am not hardcoding the whole "region", "rack", "row", "power-unit" "power-domain" entries in that distance_types table. those would be for operators to fill in what they liked. | 16:22 |
| fried_rice | Which would allow for "numa-node" in theory. | 16:23 |
| finucannot | Yeah, they're all...distance_codes? | 16:23 |
| cfriesen | leakypipes: for the numa case we'd need something like "give me cpus and ram on the same numa node, and some more cpus and ram from a different numa node of the same host, and a pci device from the same host" | 16:23 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: so they would have to define the distance codes, as well as the value for the distances? | 16:23 |
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| leakypipes | cfriesen: re: the server group filters... maybe. the concept that I'm espousing here does away with the concept of a server group entirely and relies on point-in-time policy from the caller of nova boot. so instead a scheduler hint for the instance group, the caller is specifying "I want to be near (for *this* definition of "near") this other instance..." | 16:24 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: yep. but keep in mind those distances are simply relative, nothing more. | 16:25 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: we could of course provide tutorial/examples for common use cases. | 16:25 |
| edleafe | I would certainly like to get input from operators about this, then | 16:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | leakypipes: yes i assumed that the operator would fill thoes in but a compute driver could also in some cases | 16:25 |
| fried_rice | One thing that concerns me is how much the operator needs to know about how resource providers are modeled by the driver. | 16:26 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: in what way? could you elaborate? | 16:26 |
| edleafe | fried_rice: I was just going to say that it seems that we are making the operators fit the solution rather than the other way around | 16:26 |
| fried_rice | If the providers are modeled in tree fashion, the operator needs to know that so she can know which provider(s) to specify what distances for. | 16:27 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: I'm not sure how any solution that didn't rely on the operator describing the relationship of their compute nodes to their groupings of compute nodes (i.e. placement aggregates) would work. | 16:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | leakypipes: you konw the distance types you are proposing are similar to the crush map valuse used by default in ceph | 16:27 |
| fried_rice | Which is different if they're modeled in *this* shape tree versus *that* shape tree. | 16:27 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: I mean, there's so many variations... | 16:27 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: I'm not saying that this isn't acceptable. I'm just saying that it's important to get operators input on whether this is acceptable. | 16:28 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: I'm not familiar with ceph crush maps :( however, this distance modeling is kinda similar to the distance maps for CPU cores to different levels of cache in NUMA setups, for sure. | 16:29 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: ack, totes. | 16:29 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Can you give an example (in the etherpad) for the CLI syntax that would deploy an instance which gets its storage from a sharing provider "near" its compute host? | 16:29 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: sure, one sec. | 16:30 |
| fried_rice | And when you're done with that, I wouldn't mind delving a little bit into how real NUMA use cases would be modeled/expressed. Like the one cfriesen mentions above. | 16:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | leakypipes: http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/rados/operations/crush-map/#types-and-buckets just as an fyi. if you swap osd for RP that could work for placement too | 16:31 |
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| sean-k-mooney | by the way my brain is working at like 50% today partly due to a headache but i might still joing to listen but no going to be able to add too much. | 16:34 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: ah, cool. thanks for the link :) | 16:35 |
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| sean-k-mooney | ceph have a very similar problem when selecting where to place data on to any give disk they control given the ha/stroage profiles requested for a given pool. | 16:37 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: aren't conversations on etherpad fun? ;) | 16:43 |
| fried_rice | It's nice to be able to tie the conversation to the context from which it sprungeth. | 16:43 |
| finucannot | Remind me: why do we need the basic NUMA stuff to be mapped this way? | 16:44 |
| leakypipes | finucannot: we don't. | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Use with method to consistent oslo timeutils usage https://review.openstack.org/542105 | 16:44 |
| finucannot | As opposed to what we normally do, namely, N guest nodes are mapped to N host nodes | 16:44 |
| fried_rice | finucannot: I kinda don't think we do. I'm trying to get us to that conclusion... | 16:44 |
| finucannot | Gotcha :) | 16:44 |
| leakypipes | finucannot, cfriesen: which one of you is light green? | 16:47 |
| cfriesen | not me | 16:47 |
| finucannot | no me | 16:47 |
| finucannot | *not | 16:47 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: are you light green? | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes i need to add my name to a list at the top | 16:47 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: or just set your name in the ehterpad box... | 16:48 |
| leakypipes | top right | 16:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah yes that gets lost when you log out but done | 16:49 |
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| fried_rice | Okay, so leakypipes, this model is satisfying use cases involving placing resource consumers (usually/often instances) at certain distances from other resource consumers. It's not (real good at) placing resources at certain distances from other resources within one consumer/allocation. | 16:49 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: will distances have to be defined for every possible relation in a system? | 16:49 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: I have a rough diagram here: https://awwapp.com/b/um4k85oc1/ | 16:50 |
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| edleafe | leakypipes: will every compute node need a distance defined to all shared storages? | 16:50 |
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| leakypipes | edleafe: no, every resource provider would need a distance entry to the aggregate representing the row that the storage pool serviced. | 16:57 |
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| edleafe | leakypipes: ok, gotcha | 16:58 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: so if there were 100 rows in a DC, and 10000 compute nodes, that would mean there would have to be 100K distances defined? | 16:59 |
| edleafe | oops, 1M distances | 16:59 |
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| mriedem | hrw: thanks, some small tweaks and we're golden | 17:03 |
| hrw | mriedem: cool, thanks | 17:03 |
| edleafe | I can see the usefulness of "near" and "not near", but how is the granularity of distance useful? Would there be a use case like "give me a shared storage that is more than 2 away but less than 7"? | 17:04 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: the affinity/anti-affinity use cases are for deployments that have more than one tier of distance. so, you'd want to have some additional distance breakdown, say, for a rack. you'd create aggregates for each rack and assign the compute nodes in that rack to the associated aggregate. the resource_provider_distances table would necessarily have an order of magnitude more records than the resource_provider_aggregates table. | 17:04 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: so if we have 1M records in resource_provider_aggregates, we'd likely have something like 10M records in the resource_provider_distances table. | 17:05 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: that 10M records would take approximately 200M of memory. | 17:06 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: understood. And these would all be set by the operators? | 17:06 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: yes, but in groups of course... so, a CLI tool that did this: openstack placement aggregate $AGG_UUID set-distance-to $OTHER_AGG_UUID $DISTANCE_AMOUNT would be something we would create for operators. | 17:07 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: that would basically do the INSERT INTO ... SELECT ... FROM statements that appear in the etherpad. | 17:08 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: hmmm... so couldn't we just define agg distances, rather than distances between everything in AggA to everything in AggB? | 17:08 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: yeah, I thought about that. it may be possible to do that. | 17:09 |
| edleafe | leakypipes: ok, just thought I was missing something | 17:09 |
| fried_rice | In that simplified form, we just have one extra table: agg1, agg2, distance ? | 17:10 |
| fried_rice | whose entries may be redundant (agg2, agg1, distance had better have the same distance as ^) | 17:11 |
| fried_rice | (unless distances are "directional" - ye gods) | 17:11 |
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| edleafe | fried_rice: yeesh | 17:11 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: right, that's the issue I ran into when I originally modeled things like that. basically needed a CHECK constraint to ensure aggA != aggB | 17:12 |
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| edleafe | fried_rice: it might be simpler to assign a "position" to each agg, rather than a distance between them | 17:12 |
| fried_rice | mm | 17:12 |
| edleafe | the distance is just abs(posA - posB) | 17:12 |
| fried_rice | edleafe: And we could support directionality there too by taking out the abs(). negative distance is "uphill", positive "downhill". | 17:14 |
| fried_rice | edleafe: (Yes, I'm kidding) | 17:14 |
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| sean-k-mooney | fried_rice: never try to model distace over netwrk links with mpls multi path routing because in that case your distance ro a request can be different then the distance for a respocne | 17:15 |
| fried_rice | Okay folks, I think I've seen enough to "get it". Just want to confirm a couple of takeaways here: | 17:16 |
| fried_rice | (1) This isn't intended, and not particularly suited, for solving NUMA. | 17:16 |
| fried_rice | (2) This is post-Rocky? | 17:17 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: ^ -^ | 17:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Marcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/nova master: Provide basic data for AArch64 support matrix/functionality https://review.openstack.org/541728 | 17:18 |
| hrw | mriedem: implemented | 17:19 |
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| fried_rice | gotta run for a couple hours. Thanks leakypipes edleafe finucannot cfriesen sean-k-mooney, this has been very helpful. | 17:20 |
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| finucannot | :D | 17:20 |
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| sean-k-mooney | ok my brain has had it for today. im going to take some panadol and go lie down on the couch and not think for a while. enjoy your weekends o/ | 17:34 |
| leakypipes | sean-k-mooney: ciao :) | 17:34 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rolls: did you say you had a spec/proposal up for the distances stuff? I'd certainly be eager to read it. | 17:42 |
| leakypipes | or was it edleafe? | 17:42 |
| leakypipes | edleafe: what happened to figleaf? | 17:42 |
| edleafe | dunno | 17:43 |
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| leakypipes | there he is. | 17:44 |
| figleaf | maybe my bouncer hiccupped | 17:44 |
| figleaf | leakypipes: fried_rolls and I had a convo about modeling NUMA using aggs instead of distances | 17:46 |
| figleaf | leakypipes: I don't think there's a spec posted yet | 17:46 |
| leakypipes | gotcha | 17:46 |
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| fried_rolls | figleaf, leakypipes: I'm working on it. The summary paragraph is up in a bp template: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-class-affinity | 17:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/ocata: Add release note for Aggregate[Core|Ram|Disk]Filter change https://review.openstack.org/542323 | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Make bdms querying in multi-cell use scatter-gather and ignore down cell https://review.openstack.org/541246 | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Remove unnecessary arguments in notification methods https://review.openstack.org/535599 | 17:55 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I had to replace assertEqual with assertItemsEqual for the list comparison so that ordering wouldn't result in sporadic test failures, if you could re-review at your convenience https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540258 | 17:59 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: yeah I saw that this morning, thought I already +2d | 18:12 |
| dansmith | just never clicked the button I guess | 18:12 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: super, thanks | 18:12 |
| melwitt | :) | 18:13 |
| itlinux | hello all.. I have a strange behaviors my coworker sent me. this: I'm seeing this weird behavior on the poc. I'm deploying the avi controllers with heat, this creates a nova instance with a cinder volume. the volumes get created, but seems like the last one loses(a timeout?) and another volume gets created and that one is attached to the last instance. | 18:13 |
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| amoralej | i'm finding some failures in jobs for queens when security groups are failing to create with unauthorized error | 19:07 |
| amoralej | https://[::1]:8774/v2.1/os-security-groups returned with HTTP 401 | 19:07 |
| amoralej | https://centos.logs.rdoproject.org/weirdo-generic-puppet-openstack-scenario001/4365/weirdo-project/logs/apache/nova_api_wsgi_error_ssl.txt.gz | 19:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-novaclient master: Remove 2 redundant methods https://review.openstack.org/528325 | 19:07 |
| amoralej | i see the corresponding error in neutron | 19:07 |
| amoralej | https://centos.logs.rdoproject.org/weirdo-generic-puppet-openstack-scenario001/4365/weirdo-project/logs/neutron/server.txt.gz#_2018-02-09_17_53_21_219 | 19:08 |
| amoralej | any idea what could be the cause? | 19:08 |
| amoralej | it's just happens from time to time | 19:08 |
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| melwitt | amoralej: is that a tempest test? the first thing I notice is that the nova api isn't being called with the latest microversion, as we deprecated the os-security-groups proxy api back in newton https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/api-microversion-history.html#id33 | 19:24 |
| amoralej | melwitt, yes, it's tempest test | 19:24 |
| amoralej | tempest.scenario.test_server_basic_ops.TestServerBasicOps.test_server_basic_ops | 19:24 |
| melwitt | that's not causing the 401, but just to note | 19:24 |
| melwitt | other than that, neutron is rejecting the request because of failed token validation. the only thing I can think there is if the token expired over a long running time? | 19:25 |
| melwitt | I don't know off the top of my head how tempest gets/refreshes auth tokens throughout a job run | 19:25 |
| amoralej | but expiration time for tokens were hours, right? | 19:25 |
| melwitt | yeah, I would think so. have to check | 19:26 |
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| amoralej | the full job, deployment + tempest run took 51 minutes | 19:26 |
| amoralej | but yeah, i thought something like that too | 19:27 |
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| melwitt | looks like the default is only an hour https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/conf/token.py#L49 | 19:30 |
| melwitt | but I see in your keystone.conf it's set to 2400 seconds, even shorter https://centos.logs.rdoproject.org/weirdo-generic-puppet-openstack-scenario001/4365/weirdo-project/logs/etc/keystone/keystone.conf.txt.gz | 19:30 |
| melwitt | 40 minutes | 19:30 |
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| melwitt | but, that only matters if tempest gets a token once and keeps reusing it throughout the run, which I don't know if it does | 19:31 |
| amoralej | yeah, i don't know that, but i think the tempest run itself took much less that 40 mins | 19:32 |
| melwitt | oh, okay, you said deployment + tempest | 19:34 |
| amoralej | yes | 19:34 |
| amoralej | let's see how next runs go | 19:35 |
| amoralej | but hitting the same issue twice in a day is normally a bad sign | 19:35 |
| melwitt | I get that it's bad, it's just there's almost no info there. neutron is rejecting with a 401, token auth failure | 19:36 |
| amoralej | yes, no idea about how to debug deeper | 19:36 |
| amoralej | that's why i came to see the experts :) | 19:36 |
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| melwitt | looks like upstream tempest jobs leave keystone.conf [token]expiration at the default 3600 seconds, so maybe you could try that. I would think it's an expired token, else there's something seriously wrong in the keystone auth middleware | 19:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Ensure resource classes correctly https://review.openstack.org/539738 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: New-style _set_inventory_for_provider https://review.openstack.org/537648 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: SchedulerReportClient.update_from_provider_tree https://review.openstack.org/533821 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Use update_provider_tree from resource tracker https://review.openstack.org/520246 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Fix nits in update_provider_tree series https://review.openstack.org/531260 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Move refresh time from report client to prov tree https://review.openstack.org/535517 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Make generation optional in ProviderTree https://review.openstack.org/539324 | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add nested resources to server moving tests https://review.openstack.org/527728 | 20:42 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: Ensure resource classes correctly https://review.openstack.org/539738 manual rebase ready for re-+2 | 20:43 |
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| leakypipes | fried_rice: cool. will review tomorrow morning. | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Avoid inventory DELETE API (no conflict detection) https://review.openstack.org/539712 | 20:57 |
| fried_rice | leakypipes: This one too ^ | 20:57 |
| leakypipes | fried_rice: ack | 20:57 |
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