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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: pci: make manager to accept handling mdev devices https://review.openstack.org/508182 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: update PCI node device to report mdev devices https://review.openstack.org/508183 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: report mdev resources https://review.openstack.org/508184 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: add support to start vm with using mdev (vGPU) https://review.openstack.org/508185 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: functional: rework fakelibvirt host pci devices https://review.openstack.org/508186 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: functional: resuse SRIOV funtional tests for MDEV devices https://review.openstack.org/508187 | 09:48 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova master: WIP - functional: rewrite class to generate pci devices https://review.openstack.org/508835 | 09:48 |
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| rletrocquer | Hello, i have a question concerning the encryption of ephemeral disk (on LVM). Can anyone can help me to understand ? | 10:21 |
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| gibi | mriedem: hi! Yes, the proposal http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/50 come from one of my coworker. I think we all agree that that the you proposal is more complete http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/62 | 13:17 |
| gibi | mriedem: now he noted this on his proposal | 13:17 |
| gibi | mriedem: I guess there is no other way to rewoke the proposal | 13:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove dead code of api.fault notification sending https://review.openstack.org/505164 | 13:18 |
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| mriedem | gibi: ok, i don't know how much we'll be talking about future stuff for placement at the forum | 13:20 |
| mriedem | even though i guess we're supposed to be | 13:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Add live.migration.force.complete to the legacy notification whitelist https://review.openstack.org/508877 | 13:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/ocata: Add live.migration.force.complete to the legacy notification whitelist https://review.openstack.org/508878 | 13:21 |
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| gibi | mriedem: you always beat me to propose the these backports :) | 13:26 |
| mriedem | those were the easy ones | 13:27 |
| mriedem | and i need easy things on monday morning | 13:27 |
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| gibi | make sense \ | 13:29 |
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| cdent | why is zuul saying -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505418/ when the only fails are non-voting? is non-voting confuse? | 13:35 |
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| dansmith | cdent: merger_failure on the functional one | 13:36 |
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| cdent | thanks dansmith: I was only looking at the summary at the top | 13:38 |
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| dansmith | yeah not sure why it's not in there | 13:38 |
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| edleafe | Scheduler subteam meeting in 15 minutes in #openstack-meeting-alt | 13:45 |
| mriedem | i know alex_xu isn't around, but cdent - might be good to figure out if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492395/ has an impact on scheduling performance and if so, we should consider backporting it | 13:45 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: ^ | 13:45 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: ack | 13:45 |
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| cdent | mriedem: k | 13:47 |
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| ildikov | I got a question on instance HA last week, like having the VM restarted in another host if needed | 13:52 |
| ildikov | I remember discussions and some activity popping about this topic a while ago | 13:52 |
| ildikov | does anyone know whether it got anywhere? | 13:52 |
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| cdent | If alex is on holiday does this stack need a buddy this week? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489206/ If so, I can’t prod it. | 13:53 |
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| cdent | ildikov: there’s been some chatter on one of the lists recently about “self-healing" | 13:53 |
| cdent | and I think there might be a proposed forum session | 13:53 |
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| cdent | other than that, I don’t know anything | 13:54 |
| ildikov | cdent: cool, thanks, I will check | 13:54 |
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| ildikov | cdent: I wanted to double check first that it's not a solved problem that I missed :) | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: there is project about that, it just submitted to the TC | 13:55 |
| ildikov | cdent: and have some pointers in either case | 13:55 |
| cdent | solved. no. not yet. | 13:55 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: which one? | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: finally found it, Masakari https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/ | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know progress was going a bit slower than they hoped, but it sounds like good things were coming soon there | 13:57 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: might have minimal perf impact, but it fixes a specific *bug* that is definitely backportable. | 13:58 |
| lajoskatona | ildikov & cdent: Hi, actually there was a session in Denver (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-queens-ptg), and a promise that there will be a bi-weekly meeting | 13:58 |
| lajoskatona | ildikov & cdent: I am still hunting for some details, as the saying was that there will be some to have shapes for the thing before the summit.... | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: aspiers knows the details, I think he was running the meeting | 13:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: not 100% sure, but I think http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#High_Availability_Meeting is the meeting | 14:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: placement: avoid returning duplicated alloc_reqs when no sharing rp https://review.openstack.org/508885 | 14:00 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: ok done | 14:00 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangyangyang proposed openstack/nova master: Remove ExactCoreFilter https://review.openstack.org/508886 | 14:01 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: lajoskatona: cool, thanks! | 14:01 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I saw a github repo that looked less active so I got confused, but the project proposal looks to be in good shape, so that's promising | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: its more of a workload specific thing, hence not in Nova scope | 14:02 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that part is clear | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: they are kinda discussing a re-design to smush a few currently competing efforts together, as I understand it | 14:03 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I didn't expect it to be in Nova's scope, but I was sure I will find people on this channel who have some info :) | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: totally | 14:03 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: a-ha, ok, that describes what I saw | 14:03 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: thanks for the info and the pointers! | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | deprecation window is 3 months minimum across release boudaries right? ^ | 14:47 |
| sdague | mriedem: yes | 14:48 |
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| mriedem | -2ed then | 14:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova stable/newton: Add live.migration.force.complete to the legacy notification whitelist https://review.openstack.org/508902 | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/python-novaclient stable/newton: Fix aggregate_update name and availability_zone clash https://review.openstack.org/507816 | 15:11 |
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| mriedem | gmann: oomichi: you could probably help direct this a bit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389482/ | 15:16 |
| mriedem | looks like it's NEC | 15:16 |
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| sean-k-mooney | johnthetubaguy: just as an fyi im going to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375580 and reporpose for queens if you have no objection | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | sean-k-mooney: sounds good | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add trait support in the allocation candidates API https://review.openstack.org/497713 | 15:54 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: sdague: remember the discussion at the ptg about making the ip filtering more efficient when listing instances? | 16:00 |
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| mriedem | i thought about something that would be problematic with one of the proposed solutions, which was querying neutron ports first, | 16:00 |
| mriedem | i don't think neutron has a concept like "read_deleted=yes" | 16:00 |
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| mriedem | so if you did: nova list --ip 192.168.159.128 --deleted --all-tenants | 16:01 |
| mriedem | i don't think we'd be honoring the --deleted flag if we first filtered by IP using neutron | 16:01 |
| dansmith | mriedem: you mean parallelizing the neutron and nova work, yeah | 16:02 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we'd just get a larger set back than we need and would filter it ourselves | 16:02 |
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| mriedem | my understanding of what was proposed was first call neutron to get the list of ports (device_ids) per the ip filter provided | 16:02 |
| mriedem | and then use ^ to filter the results from the cells | 16:02 |
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| dansmith | right, but we could still not return things that are deleted | 16:03 |
| dansmith | oh | 16:03 |
| mriedem | you could still honor --deleted if you only did the python filtering on any deleted instances in the results from the cells...but you're still probably wasting time checking which of the 1000 instances are deleted | 16:03 |
| dansmith | I see what you mean | 16:03 |
| dansmith | you don't get back the deleted ips | 16:03 |
| mriedem | right | 16:04 |
| dansmith | I read your logic backwards | 16:04 |
| dansmith | yeah | 16:04 |
| dansmith | but | 16:04 |
| mriedem | but they could be deleted from nova anyway....or archived | 16:04 |
| dansmith | deleted things can be purged at any time, so not being able to satisfy that query doesn't seem terrible to me | 16:04 |
| dansmith | right | 16:04 |
| mriedem | i know we used that as justification for some things in my searchlight spec | 16:04 |
| mriedem | so it could apply here | 16:04 |
| dansmith | and for flavor things I think | 16:04 |
| sdague | so... honestly, I think we need to decouple "as an admin I need to ..." | 16:04 |
| sdague | and it needs to be in the API | 16:04 |
| sdague | because a lot of these things are a pretty straight forward combination of API calls, that if exposed as a single command in openstack client might be sufficient | 16:05 |
| dansmith | well, we said that too yeah | 16:05 |
| dansmith | I think we said we need to ask the people that need to do this if that would be okay | 16:06 |
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| sdague | yeh | 16:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | sdague: shade may also be an option for those that want a programatic interface | 16:07 |
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| sdague | sean-k-mooney: sure, though if we're really talking about quick search functions, I think openstack client is probably the thing people will be using | 16:09 |
| mriedem | i see notes in the etherpad about the idea for doing it in osc, but nothing saying we were going to ask about that | 16:10 |
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| mriedem | if you force it client side, then it has to be duplicated everywhere | 16:11 |
| sdague | mriedem: but that's kind of ok | 16:11 |
| sdague | because this is typically a debug operation | 16:12 |
| sdague | something goes wrong with an ip, and track it back to source | 16:12 |
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| finucannot | mriedem: Just to confirm, this doesn't need a microversion because it's a bug? | 16:13 |
| finucannot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490722/11 | 16:13 |
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| sdague | I'm also super unclear whether the regex part of this is really interesting or should be supported | 16:14 |
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| dansmith | yeah, that was another question I think | 16:14 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: not just b/c it's a bug, some bugs require microversions | 16:14 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: we discussed it at the ptg, the notes are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | L657 | 16:14 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: So it's a bug and there was never any chance of these requests succeeding? | 16:15 |
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| mriedem | stephenfin: yes, the api would pass but the thing would eventually fail, so it never worked, so there was no point in doing a microversion, since 2.1 wouldn't work anyway | 16:16 |
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| stephenfin | mriedem: Cool cool. +Wd | 16:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Spec for limiting GET /allocation_candidates https://review.openstack.org/504540 | 16:33 |
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| cdent | jaypipes, mriedem, edleafe, sean-k-mooney, rgerganov, efried, gibi: made ^ way less complicated | 16:33 |
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| cdent | but may be too simple now for some people | 16:33 |
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| mriedem | ok. i've got a couple of specs i need to write before tomorrow's sprint, so that's first priority for me (after lunch of course) | 16:48 |
| mriedem | plus some other performance and scale testing threads i need to pull | 16:48 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: so on the selection thing, I'm not okay with making limits an unversioned json string, and I think we probably need to take an approach like you suggested earlier | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: having a specific numa_limits field, right? | 16:49 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: question though.. the numa limit object we get from the filter (right?) ... doesn't that depend on the host we've chosen? like, will that numa limit object apply to the alternate hosts? | 16:49 |
| dansmith | or can we pull out the one that applies to the selection we're doing? | 16:49 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: yeah, that | 16:49 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: yes, absolutely the NUMA limits applies to a host. | 16:50 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: right and the second part is, will we be able to populate this selection object with a numa limit that applies to the host the selection is for? | 16:51 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: yes, that will be necessary. will add comment to review shortlyu. | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | git rebase --continue | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | guh, wrong window, sorry... | 17:05 |
| cdent | jaypipes: on your review of the limit stuff, you seemed to miss a section | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | cdent: erm... | 17:06 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: see my last review. | 17:12 |
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| cdent | yup | 17:13 |
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| * dansmith rolls the dice to see if we can at least merge /specs/ | 17:30 | |
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| cdent | thanks dansmith | 17:40 |
| dansmith | cdent: did it merge? | 17:40 |
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| dansmith | zuul hasn't even noticed, AFAICT | 17:41 |
| cdent | not yet, but having a spec not be fraught with debate is enough to say thank you to | 17:41 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:41 |
| cdent | it’s in the gate | 17:42 |
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| cdent | but spinning | 17:42 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: jaypipes: were you talking about the selection object re: the numa limits stuff? | 17:49 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:49 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes | 17:49 |
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| mriedem | ok, if we're going to intentionally break out of tree filters that rely on injecting stuff into the limits dict, we should have a release note on that at least | 17:50 |
| dansmith | s/intentionally/knowingly/ | 17:51 |
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| mriedem | so the long-term goal here is we don't even need that numa topology limits thing in the selection object right? because eventually we don't even do that claim in the compute at all | 17:55 |
| dansmith | it's used for more than that in compute isn't it? | 17:56 |
| mriedem | maybe it's a custom resource class or something? | 17:56 |
| mriedem | not sure, i haven't traced it through it's usage beyond the claim | 17:56 |
| dansmith | I thought it was used for the libvirt setup of the numaness | 17:57 |
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| mriedem | yeah it is | 17:59 |
| mriedem | used to create the guest xml in the libvirt drivre | 17:59 |
| mriedem | *driver | 17:59 |
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| mriedem | heh, so of the 4 things we pull out of that limits dict in tree for the claim, we have numa, disk, ram and cpu | 18:01 |
| mriedem | but we also do a pci requests claim test, | 18:02 |
| mriedem | but the pci requests are persisted somewhere, and not part of the limits dict | 18:02 |
| mriedem | that's, fun | 18:02 |
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| mriedem | oh but they are in the request spec | 18:04 |
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| mriedem | which we of course pass down to the compute, but we don't use | 18:05 |
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| mriedem | oh but even if we did, it wouldn't have the pci_requests in it, because the version of the request spec that the conductor passes down to the compute isn't the one that the api creates | 18:07 |
| mriedem | gfdi | 18:08 |
| mriedem | melwitt: ^ seems we were just talking about some crazy shit like this last week | 18:08 |
| mriedem | this is what conductor always builds and passes to the compute (which is then ignored): https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/utils.py#L78 | 18:08 |
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| oomichi | mriedem: she takes one year vacation now for a new baby. Maybe other guys from our company will take care of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389482 | 18:19 |
| oomichi | mriedem: is it fine to just create a corresponding blueprint? | 18:20 |
| mriedem | oomichi: yes i think a specless blueprint is fine | 18:20 |
| mriedem | it's just the vcenter driver supporting a new vif type, correct? | 18:20 |
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| oomichi | mriedem: ok, I will take. I need more time for detail to understand anyways | 18:22 |
| mriedem | sdague: were you going to polish this up again at some point? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324720/ | 18:24 |
| efried | mriedem In driver.spawn, I see instance.pci_requests with useful stuff in it. | 18:24 |
| mriedem | i'm about to start working on the file injection deprecation spec | 18:24 |
| mriedem | efried: i think that's because we lazy-load it out of instance.pci_requests | 18:24 |
| mriedem | we basically have pci_requests all over the place | 18:25 |
| mriedem | when the basic dict request spec is converted to a full object and sent to the scheduler, we set the reqspec.pci_requests = instance.pci_requests | 18:25 |
| efried | mmkay. I wasn't totally understanding what you were talking about above, but I knew I had seen basically everything I needed about the PCI request in the instance object. | 18:25 |
| mriedem | but don't pass that objectified reqspec down to the compute, or use it in the compute | 18:25 |
| efried | "the compute" like where? | 18:26 |
| mriedem | efried: just general confusion over how things are done and where and why they are done differently | 18:26 |
| mriedem | efried: conductor passes a simplified dict form of the request spec to build_and_run_instance on the compute | 18:26 |
| mriedem | but that request spec parameter is never used in the compute | 18:26 |
| mriedem | the resource tracker queries the database to get any pci requests for the instance | 18:26 |
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| mriedem | also, that's probably why we see lots of "lazy-loading pci_requests" in the compute logs during CI runs | 18:27 |
| efried | yeah, I see that | 18:28 |
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| efried | in my local one-spawn test | 18:29 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/04/506104/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/39f64c6/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz | 18:29 |
| mriedem | just search for "lazy-loading" | 18:29 |
| efried | 97 | 18:29 |
| efried | oh, it hadn't finished loading. | 18:30 |
| efried | I guess it's lazy-loading the page :) | 18:30 |
| mriedem | yeah, 455 | 18:30 |
| mriedem | 186 for pci_devices | 18:30 |
| efried | 186 hits when I include 'pci-devices' | 18:30 |
| efried | yeah. | 18:30 |
| efried | Well, the good news is that'll make it easier to rip out later | 18:31 |
| mriedem | pci_requests is only 16 | 18:31 |
| efried | Presumably because only 16 of 'em requested PCI devices? | 18:31 |
| mriedem | no | 18:31 |
| mriedem | but not really sure | 18:31 |
| mriedem | this ci job doesn't include any pci stuff | 18:31 |
| mriedem | so anything we're loading here is not used | 18:32 |
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| efried | The claimer doesn't log for PCI claims like it does for cpu, mem, and disk. So it's tough to tell if it *thinks* it's doing some kind of PCI claim. | 18:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: Whether to use configdrive disk depends on instance.configdrive https://review.openstack.org/485930 | 18:42 |
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| efried | cdent Would ^ this mean I could switch from `if configdrive.required_by(instance):` to `if instance.config_drive` in my driver? | 18:52 |
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| cdent | efried: sorry, don’t really know, I was just rebasing that to get it lined back up with the present | 18:53 |
| cdent | sort of a rebase/recheck combo | 18:53 |
| efried | Heh, okay. Yeah, it was after I said that that I realized you weren't really the author. | 18:53 |
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| sdague | mriedem: sure, I can take another cycle through it | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Add a spec for POST /allocations in placement https://review.openstack.org/499259 | 19:23 |
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| * jaypipes loves the irony of sean-k-mooney arguing English semantics and grammar with cdent :) | 19:34 | |
| cdent | jaypipes: except it’s not me he’s arguing with | 19:34 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: yes, sorry, with edleafe :) | 19:35 |
| efried | whoah, something merged. | 19:35 |
| cdent | but it is funny having the two most typo ridden people in the same place at the same time | 19:35 |
| cdent | efried: i know, right? | 19:35 |
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| cdent | I find quite a lot of comfort in the fact the sean-k-mooney is a capable person and spells in the sae phonetically weird way that I do | 19:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: :) semantics and grammer i understand, its spelling and typing i have issues with :) | 19:36 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: :) | 19:36 |
| cdent | see it just happened :) | 19:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | well i have dyslexia so really phonetics is the best i can do without google/a spellcheck unfortunetly english spelling and phonetics rarely agree | 19:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova master: Remove non libguestfs file injection for libvirt https://review.openstack.org/324720 | 19:38 |
| edleafe | I always felt "performant" was a BS word. | 19:38 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: I’ve often wondered about this: Do you happen to know if dyslexia is both ways: read and write? I had assumed it was read ony? | 19:39 |
| cdent | edleafe: indeed it is but specs are mostly bullshit anyway, so having a few bullshit words is only right, right? | 19:39 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: sdague: do you know if this ever came over from the openstack-manuals repo? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/stable/ocata/doc/user-guide/source/cli-config-drive.rst | 19:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i think its different for different people. | 19:40 |
| edleafe | cdent: there are several processing issues that are lumped into the term 'dyslexia' | 19:40 |
| cdent | I’m aware of dysgraphia too, but I’ve never been clear on how/if connected | 19:40 |
| sdague | mriedem: I don't see it anywhere in tree | 19:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: for me i find it very difficult to read a singel word in isolation. its almost imposible for me to "sound it out" so i infer the meaning of a word form the context it is used in | 19:41 |
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| mriedem | sdague: yeah me neither | 19:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: I don't have any dyslexia or dysgraphia; just dysphagia | 19:41 |
| mriedem | i noticed b/c our api-ref says in the "config_drive" parameter description: "Read more in the OpenStack End User Guide." | 19:41 |
| sdague | yeh | 19:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | when i am writhing or typeing i then not to be able to keep up with the rate at which is am internally thinking about the phrase i intend to express so i miss words or part of them | 19:42 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: do you find that when you make an error it often rhymes with the correct thing? | 19:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | i do this less when typing as i can type faster, but the isssue is because i dont read word but instead infer them from context i dont see the error when i re read the sentence | 19:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: yes sometimes or at least it will be phonetically similar | 19:43 |
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| cdent | interesting | 19:44 |
| * cdent adds to his dataset | 19:44 | |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1720873 | 19:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1720873 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "end user guide was not migrated from openstack-manuals" [High,Confirmed] | 19:44 |
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| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i have started to use https://www.grammarly.com more when writing docs/commit message/release notes but i have not figured out a good way to integreate it or a spellchecker into my normal patch authoring workflow. | 19:47 |
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| cdent | ah, interesting, thanks | 19:48 |
| efried | Technically "dysgraphia" is the writing part and "alexia" is the reading part. In a move which surely caused the classical-language-root scholars to tear out their hair, "dyslexia" became the portmanteau covering both. | 19:49 |
| efried | My favorite is when sean-k-mooney uses "taught" for "thought", because it combines phonetic spelling with his Irish accent. | 19:50 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i was about to drink some coffee when i read that lol its ture i do that alot | 19:52 |
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| edleafe | Question on the retry flow for failed VM builds. Does the cast from superconductor to cell conductor use the same method in the cell conductor as the cast from the ComputeTaskAPI | 19:55 |
| edleafe | 's cast to the cell conductor's build_instances? | 19:56 |
| edleafe | I'm trying to determine if the cell conductor can tell if it's retrying or not | 19:56 |
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| sean-k-mooney | edleafe: it was my impression that reties would only propergate within the same cell as we did not want an upcall to the superconductor | 19:57 |
| edleafe | sean-k-mooney: true. what I'm wondering is if the cell conductor can tell that the build is a retry or not | 19:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | edleafe: good question dansmith would propably be the best person to ask. i would assume so but im not sure if that would chage anything other then the fact we are eliminating the fail hosts form the allocation candidates | 19:59 |
| dansmith | edleafe: yeah because it's two operations | 20:00 |
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| dansmith | edleafe: the top level one is schedule_and_build_instances, the other is build_and_run or something like that | 20:00 |
| edleafe | dansmith: thanks | 20:00 |
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| edleafe | rewriting the alternate hosts spec | 20:01 |
| edleafe | totally spaced that the call to compute is a cast | 20:01 |
| mriedem | hmm, if we deprecate personality files from the API, we would presumably also deprecate showing limits on personality files in the API too - and if the alternative for personality files is user_data and config drive, we don't have any quota limits on those - so would we need to add some? | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: superconductor doesn't cast to cell conductor | 20:02 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: I was talking about the cell conductor -> compute. That's the cast | 20:03 |
| mriedem | superconductor (schedule_and_build_instances) -> scheduler (select_destinations) -> superconductor (schedule_and_build_instances) -> compute (build_and_run_instance) -> cell conductor (retry = build_instances) | 20:03 |
| mriedem | yeah then it's build_and_run_instance both ways | 20:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: well the user-data is stored perinsance correct so im not sure we need limits on it if its a fixed lenght string in the db | 20:04 |
| cdent | ‘night all | 20:04 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: yeah, wasn't sure if that's why we had quota on injected files or what | 20:04 |
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| mriedem | i guess it's rate limiting | 20:04 |
| mriedem | ooo we have 3 options for file injection quota | 20:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | if its sored as a text field we may want a quota | 20:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | injected files, injected file content bytes and ? | 20:06 |
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| mriedem | quota_injected_file_path_length | 20:06 |
| mriedem | melwitt: AbsoluteResource just means it's global per deployment? or per project? | 20:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | is that litrally just a path lenght ? e.g. a file system constrait | 20:07 |
| mriedem | yes, default is 255 for the file path length | 20:07 |
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| sean-k-mooney | that the fat32 limit right | 20:07 |
| mriedem | yeah i think so | 20:07 |
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| mriedem | god i've already forgotten how all of this quota checking code works already | 20:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | looking at the instances table it looks like user_data mediumtext field which means its got a 16 Mib limit on mysql | 20:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | *user_data is a mediumtext | 20:12 |
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| mriedem | ok it looks like this quota limit is per project/user | 20:14 |
| mriedem | so by default you can have 5 files, at 10mb each | 20:15 |
| mriedem | wait, no | 20:15 |
| mriedem | kb | 20:15 |
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| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: yes it is. userdata however is handeled seperatly from that limit today | 20:17 |
| mriedem | right, there is no quota limit on user_data | 20:18 |
| mriedem | it's just the limit in the db per instance | 20:18 |
| mriedem | which is as you said 16MB | 20:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 20:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could change that in the future or mysql could be we dont have a contract in place with the end user on this today | 20:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | having a qouta on this in the future would not nessicalily be a bad thing it is sotre on you db node after all so it could cause issues if allowed to grow too large | 20:20 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: are you aware of any cells-based short circuiting around InstanceMapping? | 20:35 |
| dansmith | in the api_samples_tests | 20:35 |
| dansmith | in looking at some of them, they create a server, which exists in the cell db, but we never set the InstanceMapping.cell_mapping for those | 20:35 |
| dansmith | ISTR these were problematic with cells for some reason, but I can't really remember why | 20:35 |
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| mriedem | not really | 20:37 |
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| dansmith | ah, maybe it's SingleCellSimple that's getting me | 20:38 |
| mriedem | i was going to say, i thought there was a fixture we used, but don't see where it's set | 20:38 |
| dansmith | yasss | 20:38 |
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| dansmith | yeah, the wrinkle is that the api sample tests use singlecellsimple unlike the other functional ones | 20:39 |
| mriedem | oh i'm looking at newton still, derp | 20:39 |
| mriedem | If1138331f3a46f5aed87e898ce19879a787d435f | 20:40 |
| dansmith | I added a new CellMappingList method and so I have to put that in the fixture or we always get back an empty list | 20:40 |
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| mriedem | we said at the ptg that if we deprecated personality files from the api, and you can specify personality files during rebuild, that we'd allow passing new user_data during rebuild, but i'm not sure if we should | 20:47 |
| mriedem | i think we just allow passing personality files during rebuild b/c we don't persist them | 20:47 |
| mriedem | so that was a hack workaround for the lack of persistence, | 20:48 |
| mriedem | so i'm not sure we should allow passing user_data to rebuild just b/c personality is gone | 20:48 |
| mriedem | sdague: remember that discussion? ^ | 20:48 |
| mriedem | cfriesen: ^ you might care since you seem to love rebuild | 20:48 |
| sdague | mriedem: you are right | 20:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add CellMapping.get_by_project_id() query method https://review.openstack.org/509002 | 20:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make get_instance_objects_sorted() be smart about cells https://review.openstack.org/509003 | 20:50 |
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| sdague | mriedem: though, I think people were using that as an end run | 20:51 |
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| sdague | we can't update user_data on instances, right? | 20:51 |
| dansmith | mriedem: ^ that's the last cellsv2 perf optimization I had in my head to consider it legit usable for queens | 20:51 |
| mriedem | sdague: no you can't specify user_data during update | 20:52 |
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| mriedem | i don't really know if people are using personality files on rebuild as a workaround for missing user_data | 20:52 |
| mriedem | i don't know how people use our apis really | 20:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: after nested resouce providers lands would you have any objection to seperating https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/resource_provider.py into a placement-lib repo so it could be imported by neutron/os-vif for the ovo neutron port binding work and bandwith based scheduling? | 20:52 |
| efried | os-placement ftw | 20:53 |
| mriedem | dansmith: are you going to run https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509003/ through your performance tests, compared to before/after that change? | 20:53 |
| mriedem | but on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505418/ | 20:53 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I'd have to have lots of cells to make any difference | 20:53 |
| dansmith | so I wasn't really planning to, unless you just want to make sure it's not super painful or something | 20:53 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: yes, I would. those objects are not intended for use by anything outside placement. That said, I think the /nova/scheduler/client/report.py code can be moved into a placement lib | 20:53 |
| mriedem | dansmith: couldn't you measure the relative difference by just having 1000 instances in cell1, all ACTIVE? | 20:53 |
| mriedem | that would exclude cell0 at least | 20:54 |
| dansmith | mriedem: you're trading one one-row api db result for one empty cell0 result | 20:54 |
| dansmith | so I doubt you'd be able to measure it | 20:54 |
| dansmith | if you really want, I could just synthesize a bunch of cells with two tenants or something | 20:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: ok the usecase was to be able to define a placement request and a placement allocation object that could be used between nova and neutron | 20:55 |
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| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: yeah, that's report.py, not resource_provider.py :) | 20:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: i originally taught of having them defined in os-vif but taught that felt a litle weired as they could be used in cinder | 20:56 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: note that objects in nova/objects/resource_provider.py do NOT get sent over the wire, ever. | 20:56 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: and we intend to keep it that way :) | 20:56 |
| sean-k-mooney | but they do map to the structure recived from the rest api? | 20:57 |
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| sean-k-mooney | currently neutron is manipulating raw json responces which is a little annoying | 20:58 |
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| sean-k-mooney | actully that code look kind of like what neutron is doing but i was hoping we could have a singel place for it that both nova and neutron used so they dont get out of sync | 20:59 |
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| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/b1dd13abfb121ca2a3e1cebc6bc2cef4a056f401/neutron/services/segments/placement_client.py is basically a stripped down version | 21:01 |
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| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: right, and I'm agreeing with you that it would be good to have a placement-lib repo that would store common code for callers of the placement API :) | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: I'm just saying that that common code is the scheduler/client/report.py code and not the nova/objects/resource_provider.py code :) | 21:05 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i am glad we are in violent agreement :) ya that make senese this is the same comment code that would be imported in osc | 21:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | does it make sense to look at createing placement-lib after nested resouce providers or are there other api level changes to plaement in queens that we should also wait for | 21:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | perhaps limit? that should be non invasive to add to the client code however so im less worried about that. | 21:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: i just dont want the creation of placement-lib or os-placement to impact your other work, we can temporaily create the functions we need on the neutron side for now | 21:11 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: sorry, what do you mean by limit? | 21:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent's spec for limits on the allocation candidates | 21:13 |
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| sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/report.py#L325 would need a minor update to be able to pass the limit to the api. | 21:14 |
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| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: oh, I see. well that would be a microversion that would be passed by the calling client. | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: so yeah, a minor change to the report.py client module and the similar code in mlavalle's code | 21:21 |
| melwitt | mriedem: I think most of the quota limits (except fixed_ips, networks, floating_ips) can be set per project or per project and user. so quota_injected_file_path_length would be global to a deployment if it hadn't been set via the quota-sets update API | 21:22 |
| melwitt | and AbsoluteResource just means that the resource usage isn't counted based on values stored in the database | 21:23 |
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| melwitt | the injected_file_path_length is evaluated on-the-fly when a request is made to verify that the requested injected file length is less than or equal to the quota limit | 21:24 |
| mriedem | melwitt: so it's not global to the deployment right? just per-request | 21:29 |
| mriedem | so api rate limiting | 21:29 |
| melwitt | mriedem: oh, yeah it's per request. I misunderstood what you meant by global | 21:30 |
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| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: so max injected files is not per project/user its per instance? | 21:31 |
| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: there are a few injected files quota limits. the one that limits the file path length and file content length are checked per request | 21:33 |
| melwitt | *the ones (injected_file_path_length and injected_file_content_bytes) | 21:34 |
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| melwitt | and injected_files (number of injected files allowed) is how many per request too | 21:35 |
| melwitt | you can set those limits to be different per project or per project and user | 21:36 |
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| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: so there is no global limit today for how much data a single project/user can store across all there instances today | 21:36 |
| mriedem | well, personality files are not stored in the db | 21:37 |
| mriedem | i think the point is that they default to a global value, checked per request, | 21:37 |
| mriedem | but you can override those defaults per project or per project/user | 21:37 |
| mriedem | using the os-quota-sets API | 21:37 |
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| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: right. injected file data isn't counted across projects or anything. it's only evaluated at the time of instance create, that the values you've requested don't exceed the limits. by default you can't boot an instance with more than 5 injected_files, each file has to be <= a certain length, each path has to be <= a certain length | 21:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: ah thats the delta to user-data then which is stored in the db. | 21:39 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:40 |
| mriedem | spec will be incoming shortly | 21:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | so are injected files kept in ram until the compute node actully creates the instance. if so that was proably part of the reason for limiting there overall lenght per request | 21:41 |
| melwitt | yeah, could be. I don't know the history about it | 21:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Return Alternate Hosts https://review.openstack.org/504275 | 21:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | johnthetubaguy: just getting ready to reupload https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375580/2/specs/ocata/approved/neutron-new-port-binding-api.rst is the createive common license correct for specs? | 21:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: Use neutron's new port binding API https://review.openstack.org/375580 | 21:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Deprecate file injection https://review.openstack.org/509013 | 21:57 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: it's part of the spec template | 21:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: cool i just assumed it would be apache 2 is all but i guess its really a doc and not code so makes sense | 21:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/python-novaclient stable/newton: Fix aggregate_update name and availability_zone clash https://review.openstack.org/507816 | 23:02 |
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