Thursday, 2017-08-24

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mwynnemriedem: There's nothing of any use in the logs.00:38
mwynneI had to reboot all my compute nodes. No idea why.00:38
mwynnemriedem: Would you happen to know if I can specify a specific subnet for nota-manage's discover_hosts to search?00:39
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mriedemmwynne: nope, doesn't work that way01:14
mriedemit's not discovering hosts based on IPs01:14
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alex_xumriedem: yea, I will check them01:19
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mriedemthanks01:21
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Centralize allocation deletion in ComputeManager  https://review.openstack.org/49697601:40
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alex_xumriedem: looks like we didn't remove allocations after rescheduling also03:14
openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional test for rescheduling  https://review.openstack.org/49699503:17
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional test for rescheduling  https://review.openstack.org/49699503:20
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mriedemalex_xu: hmm, yeah probably not, which sounds similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171241103:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712411 in OpenStack Compute (nova) pike "Allocations may not be removed from dest node during failed migrations" [High,Triaged]03:22
mriedemremove allocations during reschedule is now going to be like deallocating ports from a host03:23
mriedemalex_xu: do you want to open a new bug for the reschedule issue?03:23
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Delete instance allocations when the instance is deleted  https://review.openstack.org/49694203:29
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alex_xumriedem: yea, I already opened one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171271804:02
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712718 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Allocations records aren't removed after rescheduling" [Undecided,New]04:02
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alex_xumrhillsman: yea, very similar with https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171241104:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712411 in OpenStack Compute (nova) pike "Allocations may not be removed from dest node during failed migrations" [High,Triaged]04:04
alex_xumriedem: yea, very similar with https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171241104:04
alex_xujust for the case instance boot rescheduling04:05
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional test for rescheduling  https://review.openstack.org/49699506:14
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Remove allocation when booting instance rescheduled or aborted  https://review.openstack.org/49699506:54
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/nova master: Trivail: remove unused instance_group_members_add method  https://review.openstack.org/49711507:14
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/nova master: Trivial: remove unused instance_group_member_delete method  https://review.openstack.org/49711507:17
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: Do not attempt volume swap when guest is stopped/suspended  https://review.openstack.org/38979808:30
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: use conf for keystone session creation  https://review.openstack.org/48512108:49
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: fix race condition of instance host  https://review.openstack.org/49445809:02
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ratailorCan anybody tell me how to debug functional test ?09:10
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: propagate OSError to MigrationPreCheckError  https://review.openstack.org/46977909:28
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: fix warning: enable-extensions  https://review.openstack.org/49717009:30
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Websockify security proxy framework  https://review.openstack.org/49616009:30
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ratailorDinesh_Bhor, do you know how to debug functional test  ?09:48
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owalshmoshele: do you have a minute to confirm some details about pci alias config?09:56
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mosheleowalsh: yes10:08
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owalshmoshele: it appears to be required for nova-compute (comment #2 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-nova/+bug/1702730)10:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1702730 in puppet-nova "[pci]/alias option is not present in the nova configuration on the computes" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Sai Sindhur Malleni (smalleni)10:12
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mosheleowalsh: yes, it was added when I fixed the cold migration and resize for pci devices10:13
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owalshmoshele: ack, thanks10:15
mosheleowalsh: np10:15
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sean-k-mooneystephenfin: o/ congrats on the 2.0 patchwork release. did you ever get around to prototyping zuul intergration with the new rest api?10:40
stephenfinsean-k-mooney: Not yet, but it's coming10:40
stephenfinsoon as I finish one or two other side projects10:40
* stephenfin best push git-pw 1.0 today, actually10:41
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stephenfinAlso, thanks :)10:41
sean-k-mooneynice will cool to see.10:41
sean-k-mooneystephenfin: im still subscribed to patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org from when i was testing the proxy support so i recived your annouce email which is always nice to see. any plans in place to get the oficall host instance over to 2.0 in the near future10:43
stephenfinsean-k-mooney: https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/patchwork/2017-August/004550.html10:43
stephenfin(yup, this weekend :))10:44
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sean-k-mooneyawsome. i would love to set up an experimental ci to test new patchs to ovs to ensure i can still deploy ovs-dpdk with kolla and devstack10:45
sean-k-mooneyneed to figure out how to do that upstream though or wait till i deploy our new dev cloud10:45
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openstackgerritJianghua Wang proposed openstack/nova master: XenAPI: image handler option improvement  https://review.openstack.org/49720111:09
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Remove allocation when booting instance rescheduled or aborted  https://review.openstack.org/49699512:00
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/nova master: Trivial: remove unused instance_group_member_delete method  https://review.openstack.org/49711512:04
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openstackgerritViktor Varga proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from unit/conductor/test_conductor.py (1)  https://review.openstack.org/49669112:15
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pooja_jadhavmriedem :Hi12:22
openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Document the scheduler workflow  https://review.openstack.org/47581012:22
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pooja_jadhavmriedem: Should we consider the urn format uuid like "urn:11111111-2222-4f44-5555-66666666666" or "urn:uuid:11111111-2222-4f44-5555-66666666666" for the nova APIs or not?12:25
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mriedemstephenfin: want to nudge this through? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496930/12:59
stephenfinmriedem: Looks good to me. +Wd13:00
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mriedemthanks13:01
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openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Transform instance.live_migration_force_complete notification  https://review.openstack.org/48056113:02
openstackgerritGábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Transform instance.live_migration_rollback_dest notification  https://review.openstack.org/48021413:02
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VAhlIs it possible to change port on the Placement-api? If yes, which parameter should be set in the [placement] section in nova.conf13:07
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VAhlfound it. It is sites-available/nova-placement-api.conf13:10
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stephenfinmriedem: I cherry-picked that cell deprecation to stable/pike, if we want to bring it in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49716613:11
stephenfin(mostly so we can stay compliant with the deprecation policy)13:11
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mriedem:/13:12
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Monkey patch the blockdiag extension  https://review.openstack.org/47615913:22
mriedemalex_xu: thanks for starting this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496995/ - i've got some comments inline13:23
mriedemcdent: dansmith: ^13:23
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rabelhi there. we have a patch for the vmware driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494169/ ( cdent already reviewed it ). i posted a comment with vmware-recheck-patch about a week ago, but nothing happens. can you help me on how to trigger vmware ci tests?13:30
* cdent looks13:30
cdentrabel: you may have a hit time when the vmware ci wasn’t happy. I’ve tried to trigger another13:32
rabelcdent: thank you!13:32
mriedemit hasn't been happy for about 6 months13:32
mriedembut, there haven't been a ton of changes proposed to make it a priority13:33
cdentmriedem: I’m happy to report that that is almost but not quite on the agenda to get some attention soon13:33
mriedemheh13:33
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mriedemalex_xu: i'm not sure if you want to handle the reschedule for resize in the same patch, i know it's getting late for you and we don't have a functional regression test for the resize + reschedule case13:34
cdentthere’s been the usual such and such is in the way13:34
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alex_xumriedem: yea, I also thought the resize case is another patch13:38
alex_xumriedem: cdent just replied this comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496995/5/nova/compute/manager.py@173313:39
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lajoskatonacdent: Gibi asked me to think about adding an extra testclass to test_servers to test the server moving stuff with custom resources13:41
lajoskatonacdent: now I have a new class, and the setup works with custom resources and resorce providers, whatever....13:41
cdentlajoskatona: that’s a good idea13:42
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lajoskatonacdent: BUT: all tests are failing, due to exception from scheduler: 2017-08-24 14:49:41,491 DEBUG [nova.scheduler.manager] Got no allocation candidates from the Placement API. This may be a temporary occurrence as compute nodes start up and begin reporting inventory to the Placement service.13:43
cdentcan you push up your code as a wip so it is easier to look at?13:44
lajoskatonacdent: shall I upload as WIP, and somebody should check it what am I missing from the workflow?13:44
cdent:)13:44
cdentyes!13:44
lajoskatonacdent, ok, I upload :-)13:44
alex_xumriedem: cdent in the original RT behaviour, the instance claim will release the resource, we also nill out instance's host and name, that also means the resource will be released by RT13:44
mriedemi'm replying13:45
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mriedemguh13:47
mriedemok replied13:47
mriedemalex_xu: so you've got a point, as usual :)13:48
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mriedemif the instance.host is None, then the API isn't going to cast to the compute to complete the deletion which would remove the allocation13:48
mriedemand we don't currently remove the allocations in the API during a 'local' delete13:48
mriedemso we're kind of stuck13:48
cdentis there a reason we don’t do it from the API?13:49
mriedemhasn't been fixed yet13:49
cdents/don’t/don’t want to/13:49
mriedemno, it's just an open bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/167975013:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1679750 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Allocations are not cleaned up in placement for instance 'local delete' case" [Medium,Confirmed]13:49
mriedemcdent: it was less of a problem at the time it was reported because the periodic task would heal and remove the allocations13:49
mriedemwell, actually let me see about that13:50
mriedemyeah, actually the periodic task should still clean these up, in _remove_deleted_instances_allocations13:50
mriedemthat gets all allocations for the node13:50
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mriedemand if we get InstanceNotFound looking up the instance, it deletes the allocations for that instance13:51
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mriedemleft some more comments13:55
mriedemprobably need to get dansmith's opinion when he's around. i think we could go with this patch even though the periodic would cleanup the allocations for the node once the instance is deleted, and if we removed the allocations from the api during local delete that would also take care of it - but we don't have that fix yet13:56
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dansmithabout whether or not we should delete allocations on local delete/13:57
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mriedemno,13:59
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/496995/13:59
mriedemon build_results.FAILED - so unexpected failures during build, or BuildAbortException14:00
mriedembut, it's meeting time14:00
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openstackgerritLajos Katona proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Test server movings with custom resources  https://review.openstack.org/49739914:08
cdentlajoskatona: will take a look at that ^ once the nova meeting is done14:10
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Add formatting to scheduling activity diagram  https://review.openstack.org/47620414:15
efriededleafe stephenfin sfinucan ^^14:17
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stephenfinefried: Cheers. Looking14:17
efriedstephenfin edleafe Rebased on top of the monkeypatch one and updated for the latest text in the doc.14:18
efriedNot too much to see until the docs build completes, I guess :)14:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: How about not logging errors every time we shelve offload?  https://review.openstack.org/49693014:20
stephenfinefried: Yup, that's what I was hoping for. +2d, on the assumption the gate will catch any typos :)14:20
dtantsurhi folks, it's me again :) do you think we should document setting https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/compute.py#L634 to 0 in case of ironic?14:20
dtantsurI don't think the compute instance is a popular cause of build failures for ironic, as opposed to the even world around it14:21
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efrieddtantsur Are you saying ironic overrides that default today, or are you suggesting that it do so?14:21
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dtantsurefried: I'm suggesting we document overriding it for nova-compute processes bound to ironic14:22
dtantsur(maybe in ironic docs, we have a section on configuring nova)14:22
dtantsurI'm just checking if my understanding of it is correct14:22
efrieddtantsur Oh, you're suggesting no code changes, just documenting that the user, if using ironic, will want to set it to zero.14:22
dtantsurcorrect14:23
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efrieddtantsur So the way I understand that config var, it'll disable the compute host entirely if <N> consecutive builds fail.  On the theory that we ought to stop trying to schedule to that host, because it's obviously sick.  Why is ironic different in this regard?14:24
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dtantsurefried: because the nova-compute hosts merely pipe requests to ironic14:24
dtantsurdisabling a compute host will make some part of your ironic fleet unavailable, and that may NOT be the part that caused failures14:25
efriedI would think that's always the case ("may NOT be the part that caused failures").14:26
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openstackgerritAlex Xu proposed openstack/nova master: Remove allocation when booting instance rescheduled or aborted  https://review.openstack.org/49699514:26
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dtantsuryeah, usually our failures are caused by network problems or misconfiguration of ironic14:26
dtantsurnot by the nova-compute process being broken14:26
efried(btw dtantsur I'm not arguing against what you're suggesting - just playing devil's advocate)14:26
dtantsuryeah, got it :)14:26
efriedWell, right; if it's network problems that are persistent enough to cause 10 consecutive failures, you should go fix the problems and then re-enable the compute host.14:27
efriedDitto with misconfiguration, even more so.14:27
dtantsurthen why kill nova-compute, but not nova-api? :)14:27
dtantsurboth are not the source of the problem, both merely pass the requests on14:27
efriedHeh, guess that's a dansmith question.14:28
dtantsuralso, not the whole ironic deployment may be broken, but you're disabling a *random* part of it14:28
efriedThat doesn't seem like an argument specific to ironic.14:28
dtantsurno, because nova-compute for e.g. libvirt is tied to its libvirt instances14:29
dansmithso,14:29
dtantsurwhile nova-compute for ironic handles some randomly chosen share of ironic nodes14:29
dtantsurwhich can change with time, btw14:29
dansmiththe request for that came with ironic people in the room, talking about such failures, and I'm pretty sure they were on board14:29
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dansmithdtantsur: if you fail to build ten things _consecutively_ don't you think that's cause for concern?14:29
dtantsurcan we can specific people please then? I'm just seeing it as a source of wrong bug reports coming to me14:29
dansmithlike, why not drop that compute out and let the ring rebalance?14:30
dtantsurdansmith: rebalanace annnnndd? fail 10 times more, because the problem was not fixed?14:30
dtantsurand this way until we run out of computes?14:30
dansmithdtantsur: well, it depends on what the problem is of course14:30
dtantsurmy point is that with VMs killing a nova-compute process can cut a misbahaving compute node. with ironic it does mostly nothing, until we run out of computes (that's where everything breaks)14:31
dansmithdtantsur: the conversation in the room centered around (a) not letting one compute node be a black hole and (b) making it super obvious that something was wrong14:31
dtantsurthis assumes the compute node does *something*. in case of ironic it's a small orchestrator, essentially14:32
dansmithdtantsur: but really, if ironic is failing 100% of the builds, what is the harm? leaving them in isn't going to fix anything14:32
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dtantsurit's suprising for users, I think. e.g. they had a networking problem, ironic reported valid failures, they fixed them, and... nothing works14:32
dansmithdtantsur: you can configure two computes differently such that one will behave differently right? like pointing them at two different glance mirrors, and one loses the ability to talk to glance14:32
dtantsurbut I cannot do this for ironic though14:33
dansmithdtantsur: you know it's consecutive failures not total failures right?14:33
dtantsurwell, when something breaks, it's usually several attempts in a raw14:33
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dansmitheither way, some documentation on "this may not be the behavior you want for ironic" is fine, but I definitely don't want to just say "for ironic this should be zero"14:33
dtantsurI would be less opinionated here, but I suspect the users are going to see "no valid hosts found" in response, right?14:34
dansmithonce all the computes are disabled? yes.14:34
cdentlajoskatona: I’ve responded on that review with some info on what’s going wrong.14:34
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dansmithdtantsur: the other thing that helps is that if you're really at 100% fail, eventually you stop wasting time, cpu, and network bandwidth trying to build and prepare things that are going to fail14:34
dtantsurI'm reserving my opinion on this error :) it's too hard to debug, and it can mean anything (especially when RetryFilter is used)14:34
dansmithso getting to zero disabled computes doesn't seem like a bad thing to me if literally 100% of the builds will fail14:35
dtantsurdoes it include attempts from the RetryFilter?14:36
dansmithI'm not sure what you mean.. are you asking if three retries against the same compute count as three failures?14:36
dtantsur(side note: I became aware of this option after seeing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496851/ )14:37
dtantsurdansmith: yep14:37
dansmithdtantsur: sure, it's all the same14:37
dtantsurdansmith: meaning, if people have retry count >= 10, one misconfigured instance can bring down a compute node?14:38
dansmithdtantsur: if they configure retries high and don't adjust this, then sure14:38
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dtantsurokay, I think this is at least worth mentioning in our docs, because it may cause surprises (well, it did cause surprises already for tripleo people)14:39
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openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Document the scheduler workflow  https://review.openstack.org/47581014:39
dansmithdtantsur: what sort of mention do you want?14:39
dansmithnote that the text of that config option mentions retries,14:40
dansmithso hopefully someone upping that to a crazy level will see that14:40
dtantsurdansmith: I want to have a mention of it in https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/install/configure-compute.html14:41
dtantsurmaybe just something like "Mind the following option, if you don't like <behavior>, change it to 0"14:41
dansmithdtantsur: sure, ironic docs that talk about ideal nova settings when using the two together is certainly a good idea :)14:42
dtantsuryep, that was my initial idea14:42
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dansmithI have no problem with that14:42
alex_xumriedem: would you mind take care of https://review.openstack.org/496995, since the time is late for me14:43
dtantsurcool, thanks all!14:44
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mriedemalex_xu: yup, i'll take over, thanks for working on it14:45
alex_xumriedem: thanks, good luck for rc2 :)14:45
mriedemmnestratov|2: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171280114:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712801 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Virtuozzo conainers lack SCSI info in libvirt XML" [Undecided,New]14:45
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dtantsursahid: actually, could you take a quick look at https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/latest/install/configure-compute.html to check if everything is still correct there? there are a few options that I don't remember well14:46
dtantsuroops, wrong ping14:46
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dtantsursorry sahid, I meant dansmith (and please don't ask how I made this typo)14:46
sahid:)14:47
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mnestratov|2mriedem: thanks, this is our guy filed the bug in context of review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495756/14:47
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dansmithdtantsur: we don't need the hostmanager thing after the resource class transition right?14:49
* dtantsur tries to remember14:49
dansmithI'm also not sure why you tell people to use a crazy host_subset_size without explaining why they may or may not want that14:50
dansmithespecially in pike where we shouldn't have any scheduler races14:50
dtantsurI think using a value > 1 is still a good idea, as two instances cannot get on one host14:51
dtantsurprobably not so huge, and I agree that we need an explanation14:51
dtantsurand yes, it seems like we should have deprecated ironic_host_manager in pike14:51
lajoskatonacdent: thanks I check it14:52
dansmithdtantsur: with claims in the scheduler and resource classes, you can not have two instances pick the same host14:53
efriededleafe "Return a list of selected host + alternates, along with their allocations to the conductor"  <== Is [allocations to the conductor] a thing, or are [a list of selected hosts + alternates, along with their allocations] being returned to the conductor?14:53
efried(Trying to figure out if there should be a comma after 'allocations'.)14:53
dtantsurdansmith: right, I may be severely outdated on this14:53
dansmithdtantsur: but without that, an insane host_subset_size just means there is zero weight applied to any host, which I would expect some people would not want14:53
edleafeefried: the latter14:54
dtantsurso, what would you recommend, keeping it 1? or setting it to something moderate?14:54
edleafewe return a whole big glob of stuff to the conductor14:54
efriededleafe k, so yes comma.  There's another typo; will post an edit.14:54
dansmithdtantsur: I would rather you explain why you're prescribing one thing or the other, and maybe just call out that it's moot with RC usage14:55
dtantsurdansmith: then I wonder why we had to do https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493989/.. maybe it was before we moved the CI to resource classes though..14:55
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Document the scheduler workflow  https://review.openstack.org/47581014:55
dtantsurvdrok: do you remember ^^^?14:55
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dtantsuror maybe it was because of backports...14:56
dansmithdtantsur: yeah I dunno14:56
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Monkey patch the blockdiag extension  https://review.openstack.org/47615914:56
dtantsurI cannot combine my brain back in a working state after the release drill14:56
dansmithdtantsur: for devstack there's likely no reason to weigh any of the options and so increasing that value just means we make the scheduler choose randomly amongst empty hosts14:58
dansmithwhich might be better for the gate for some reason, I dunno14:58
dansmithbut not for regular people that might want to weigh hosts with newer hardware differently or something like that14:58
dtantsurweighing hosts for ironic is something new to me, but it makes sense indeed14:59
dansmithdtantsur: well, maybe it's new because you disable weighing entirely with that 999999 thing :P14:59
edleafeefried: I can't vim14:59
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efriededleafe :)14:59
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dtantsurdansmith: haha, no, I did not even know it was possible. have I ever mentioned my poor knowledge of nova?15:00
dansmithdtantsur: I don't know that our in-tree weighers would mean anything for ironic nodes, but weighers are some of the more likely things for someone in a deployment to write customly to get the host selection they want15:00
dansmithheh15:00
dtantsuryeah, and "prefer newer hardware" makes some sense to me indeed, for example15:00
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dansmithyep15:00
openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: bandwidth param should be set in guest migrate  https://review.openstack.org/49745515:01
openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: add method to configure migration speed  https://review.openstack.org/49745615:01
openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: slowly live-migration to ensure network is ready  https://review.openstack.org/49745715:01
dtantsurokay, thanks again dansmith. may I ping you for review when I write an update for this docs page?15:01
dansmithdtantsur: sure15:01
dtantsurcool, I'll try to finish it today15:01
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openstackgerritDavid Rabel proposed openstack/nova master: Adds support for graceful shutdown for VMware instances  https://review.openstack.org/49416915:02
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mriedemhere is the bug for the resize + reschedule not removing allocations issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/171285015:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712850 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Allocations are not removed from destination node when rescheduling during resize/migrate" [High,Triaged]15:06
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vdrokdtantsur: /me is on holiday today, but it was needed because all weights are the same in ci for our nodes, so the same ones were selected during parallel tests for instance build, and were racing as iirc claim happens on compute15:07
vdrokSo reschedules were happening constantly, and Max reschedules is 3 by default15:07
rabelis "Intel PCI CI" always non-voting?15:08
rabelthat is: can i ignore that it failed without a reason? according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI it is non-voting15:09
cdentrabel: pretty much, yeah15:09
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rabelcool, thanks.15:09
mriedemrabel: you can yell at sean-k-mooney about that15:10
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dtantsurdansmith: see vdrok's comment above ^^^. is it going away with resource classes? especially wrt "claim happens on compute"?15:14
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sean-k-mooneyhaha well its not run by our team but what was the questing releating to the pci ci15:14
dansmithdtantsur: yep15:15
rabelthe question was just if i can ignore if it fails. ;)15:15
dtantsurgood to know15:15
sean-k-mooneyah well yes and no. if you are not touching the pci code probably if you are you might want to take a look at it15:15
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sean-k-mooneythe pci ci is testing a very limited scope15:16
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Document the scheduler workflow  https://review.openstack.org/47581015:18
sean-k-mooneywe had planned to combine it with the nfv ci and expand the scope to introduce livemigration and other testing but we lost 2 headcount including our ci lead so that did not go ahead15:18
dtantsurdansmith: why aren't compute_group_opts here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/compute.py#L1122-L1130 ? I think it causes this option to not appear in the sample conf15:18
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dansmithdtantsur: I dunno what sort of black magic is involved in all this.. maybe ask mriedem or sfinucan or edleafe15:19
dtantsurack15:20
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dtantsurI also see compute_driver option twice - in [DEFAULT] and in [compute], wut?15:22
* dtantsur knows the fix15:23
mriedemyeah that looks like a bug, the former i mean15:23
dtantsurmriedem: well, actually the option is in [DEFAULT]. lemme bake a quick patch, you'll see what I mean15:24
efriedmriedem dtantsur L1141 should be compute_group_opts, not compute_opts.15:25
dtantsurthis is what I'm fixing right now, yes  :)15:25
efriedCool15:25
efriedLooks like Intel PCI CI is out of disk space or something.  All runs failing, log links 404.15:26
openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/nova master: Fix sample configuration generation for compute-related options  https://review.openstack.org/49746015:26
dtantsurefried, mriedem ^^^15:26
efrieddtantsur +1, good catch.15:27
openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Monkey patch the blockdiag extension  https://review.openstack.org/47615915:27
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Add formatting to scheduling activity diagram  https://review.openstack.org/47620415:30
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efriededleafe Found another error in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475810/ , fixed it, and rebased ^^ for cumulative edits.15:30
efriedsfinucan ^ cc15:30
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Fix sample configuration generation for compute-related options  https://review.openstack.org/49746015:31
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efriedgr, stephenfin (split personality these days?)15:33
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stephenfinefried: I had an away message set of sfinucan, but it seems to have been unset15:34
stephenfinI'll just switch it off altogether. stephenfin has been in use for long enough now15:34
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stephenfin...and done15:35
* efried sheds a single tear for the passing of sfinucan15:35
mriedemhe died in a tent in greece somewhere15:36
mriedemfrom a splitting hangover15:36
efriedWith that kind of hangover, death is a mercy.15:36
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efrieddtantsur You got the pike backport?15:38
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mriedemefried: i just posted it15:41
mriedemwell, 5 minutes ago15:41
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efriedhm, no bot?15:41
mriedemnot for stable15:41
mriedemwe could add that15:41
mriedemit's somewhere in project-config15:42
efriedAnd no cherry-pick comments in the original?15:42
mriedemthat's only if you cherry pick from gerrit,15:42
mriedemwhich if you that before it's merged, you don't get the cherry picked from line in the commit in the cherry pick15:42
mriedemit's a whole big deal15:42
efriedgeez15:42
mriedemdansmith: let me know when you'd like to process and discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496995/15:42
* efried goes through the bug report to find the new link.15:43
dansmithyeah sorry on a call15:43
mriedemefried: just click the change id15:43
mriedemit'll be the same15:43
efriedor that15:43
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/os-vif master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/48808615:52
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add uuid to migration object and migrate-on-load  https://review.openstack.org/49693416:05
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add placeholder migrations for Pike backports  https://review.openstack.org/49693216:05
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add uuid to migration table  https://review.openstack.org/49693316:05
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove allocation when booting instance rescheduled or aborted  https://review.openstack.org/49699516:38
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mriedemblarg we only show faults if the instance is in ERROR or DELETED status17:16
mriedemand when a resize/migrate fails on the dest during _prep_resize we don't set the instance to ERROR state17:16
mriedemwhich i guess makes sense since it's fine on the source17:17
mriedembut you'd wonder why the thing didn't resize or move17:17
dansmithmriedem: I'm returning to that review for like the fifth time17:17
dansmithneed to turn off my email and chat or something17:17
mriedemthis time it's personal17:17
dansmithhah17:17
dansmithReview The Patch 5: Do or Die17:18
dansmithmriedem: hmm, yeah, I guess right now if we reschedule the scheduler would actually create a doubled move allocation huh?17:20
mriedemtripled17:21
mriedemi think17:21
dansmithwell, N'd for N retries right?17:21
mriedemthe point of the move / double stuff in the scheduler is to not overwrite the existing allocations17:21
mriedemyup17:21
dansmithyeah17:21
mriedemquintupled?17:21
dansmithwe're awesome17:21
mriedemyeah so i was mostly worried that alex's patch was doing things in a too generic way, but i've since talked myself out of that17:22
mriedembut left the detailed comments in there17:22
dansmithso, this functional test has a mock in it, which is kinda contrary to the goal here right?17:22
mriedemthe mock is just to force the build failure on the source host and trigger a reschedule - i suppose you could do that by saying, boot on host A which we know won't fit a flavor or something so the claim fails17:23
dansmithor just not make it a functional test17:23
mriedembut you need to get by the scheduler and to the compute17:23
mriedemwe have a similar functional regression test that tests reschedule similar to this17:23
mriedemsimilarly17:23
dansmithmeaning it uses a mock?17:24
mriedema fixture17:24
mriedembut yeah17:24
mriedemhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/functional/regressions/test_bug_1671648.py#L9017:24
dansmithokay I guess I can't keep track of our intentions here17:24
mriedemgiven there are 4 services involved with a reschedule i like having the functional test17:24
dansmithyeah, just having a fake driver that fails the first spawn or something seems like less unit-test-esque interaction, but whatever17:25
mriedemcould do that too - would be simpler17:26
mriedemlater cleanup i suppose17:26
mriedemor in this one, whatever17:26
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mriedemthings get complicated with a special compute driver i think b/c you have to set that in config before starting the compute service you're using, which is done in setUp, unless you make it a standalone test class, or start a new 3rd compute and boot directly to that host17:28
dansmithmriedem: and we're saying this belongs in ServerMovingTests because why? it's a reschedule?17:28
dansmithsure, but it's more cleanerer I think17:28
mriedemi assume he threw it there because there are other tests checking allocation stuff in there17:28
mriedembut it's not a move, yeah17:28
mriedemdidn't think abou that17:28
dansmithyeah we could probably rename that test class at this point to be TestAllTheAllocationThingsWeEffedUpKthx17:29
mriedemso maybe we split that out to a separate test class with it's own fake driver in a follow up?17:29
dansmithokay17:29
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dansmithokay +Wd with those comments17:32
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mriedemcool. i'm working on the regression test for the migrate + reschedule one, which is turning out to be non-trivial17:34
dansmithawesome17:35
mriedemjust hard to poll for the failure17:35
mriedemhave to check action events or listen for notifications17:35
mriedem^ super usability for end api users when a resize / migrate fails17:36
dansmithwhatever, users love a challenge, amirite?17:39
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mriedemplaying hard to get works in dating17:39
mriedemwhy can't it work in software?17:39
artomBecause it only works for girls, and there are no girls in software17:40
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mriedemenjoy your twitter doom17:40
artomI'm not on Twitter17:41
mriedemok ok, well, i'm sure mel's boot will find you17:43
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artomMel is clearly a figment of our imagination, because of my previous assertion17:44
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rabelsean-k-mooney: it seems that "Intel PCI CI"s pci-test is not non-voting in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494169/4 . is that correct? can you tell me how to rerun it?17:46
mriedemrabel: it is non-voting17:46
mriedemotherwise there would be a -1 next to 'Verified'17:46
mriedemdon't let the red FAILURE on the actual job status trick you17:46
rabelmriedem: ok, thanks. i was confused by having (non-voting) on other tests, but not this one17:47
rabelso no -1 means i'm fine? :)17:47
mriedemah i don't know how other 3rd party CIs do that17:47
mriedemwell, jenkins is the vote you care about17:47
mriedemfor CI17:47
mriedemand the vmware CI17:47
mriedembut the latter is on the fritz17:48
mriedemcdent has to call down to larry in the basement to kick it17:48
rabel:D17:48
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: api-ref: fix key_name note formatting  https://review.openstack.org/49671817:48
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artomTo be fair, if your patch actually touched on anything PCI, it might be a good idea to see why the Intel CI failed17:48
artomBut since it doesn't, you can ignore it17:48
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Remove VMware driver _get_vm_ref_from_uuid method  https://review.openstack.org/44495917:49
rabelwill it help to write vmware-recheck-patch from time to time if it does not run?17:49
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openstackgerritEvgeny Antyshev proposed openstack/nova master: No scsi unit information in instance XML  https://review.openstack.org/49575617:54
openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: PowerVM Driver: config drive  https://review.openstack.org/40940417:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Move common definition into common layer  https://review.openstack.org/48949118:04
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Remove RamFilter and DiskFilter in default filter  https://review.openstack.org/49276518:04
openstackgerritOctave Orgeron proposed openstack/nova master: Enables MySQL Cluster Support for Nova  https://review.openstack.org/44664318:05
mriedemdansmith: per your comment in alex's change for another test, i think that's covered in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470578/18:07
dansmithoh okay I hadn't seen that yeah18:07
mriedemstarting the compute runs update_available_resource which does the thing to remove the now deleted allocation18:07
mriedemso yay18:07
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Add functional test for rescheduling during a migration  https://review.openstack.org/49754118:23
mriedemdansmith et al ^ is the functional recreate test for the reschedule + migrate bug18:24
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mriedemugh, you know what, don't we merge allocations for resize to same host in the scheduler18:31
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mriedemso i can't remove the allocations for the dest node blindly in prep_resize b/c dest node might == source node for resize to same host, but we also shouldn't leave the allocations as the doubled up ones18:32
dansmithwe don't? we have a test for that18:33
mriedemthis is where prep_resize fails on the dest host, before we ever confirm/revert18:33
mriedemi think our existing resize to same host tests are all driven on confirm/revert18:34
dansmithright but the scheduler is the thing that doubles18:34
mriedemi know18:34
dansmiththat move_claim thingy18:34
* dansmith is confused18:34
mriedemand the compute is what's cleaning up18:34
mriedemin the before times, if this happened, the RT periodic would just overwrite the allocations for the instance based on what it's currently consuming18:35
mriedemare we still doing that?18:35
dansmithwhat is the thing you think we're not doing? handling the case where prep_resize fails? or the initial doubling before we get that far?18:35
mriedemyeah so before we did the has_ocata_computes thing, the periodic would overwrite the doubled allocation using _update_usage_from_instance18:36
mriedemself.reportclient.update_instance_allocation18:36
dansmithright18:36
mriedemif you don't have ocata computes, that won't correct this now18:36
dansmithwhich won't happen in pike land18:36
mriedemwe're not handling the case that prep_resize fails18:36
mriedemand cleaning up the allocation18:36
mriedemthat the scheduler created18:36
dansmithyeah, so you're talking about the case where we've doubled things in the scheduler and don't undouble them if we fail in prep right?18:37
mriedemyup18:37
mriedemso maybe this falls under the same bug i reported for when live migration fails and we don't cleanup18:37
dansmithI would like to point out that if we were doing the allocation thing in the conductor instead of the scheduler, we'd have this all in an auto-cleanup context manager that would roll back the doubling if we failed to kick off a thing18:37
mriedemthis is essentially the same kind of fix probably, a periodic checking for failed migrations and cleaning up allocations related to them18:37
dansmithwell, we should clean up allocations any time we have a solid failure and know where the instance remains,18:38
dansmithand a failure in prep is that case, right? we know we didn't move anything18:38
mriedemprep_resize is a cast from conductor so i'm not sure how that would auto-cleanup in this case18:39
dansmithit's a cast from conductor to compute?18:39
mriedemyeah18:39
dansmithah, yeah, I see18:39
mriedemso, remove the dest node allocation when not resizing to same host is simple18:39
dansmiththat's legacy from when the api was doing it I think, but..18:40
mriedemthe resize to same host cleanup is shittier, since we basically need to overwrite the allocation back to the original flavor18:40
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mriedemwhich is basically just doing our RT overwrite stuff again, but in a different place18:40
dansmithwell,18:40
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dansmithwe can just subtract what the new flavor would have had in it right?18:40
dansmithnot just regenerate, but subtract the new_flavor from our allocation if it's same host18:41
dansmithmerge_resources() with new_flavor and -1 as the sign18:41
dansmiththat will avoid trampling on shared things18:41
mriedemsure18:41
mriedemgod i should probably have a test for the resize to same host case then too...18:42
mriedemand it's nearly 2pm here18:42
mriedemanyway, will work on the easy one first18:42
dansmithmriedem: so you mean the fix for the thing you're testing in 497541 yes?18:44
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mriedemyeah18:45
mriedemi don't know if we should do the resize to same host fix in here too or leave that for another bug18:45
mriedemsince it'd be a different test18:45
dansmithif it doesn't really overlap then separate is probably best18:46
mriedemand arguably resize to same host failures are less severe for holding up the release18:46
dansmithyes, for real-world people18:46
mriedemthe ones on mtv?18:46
dansmithrealistically, the way this is going, we're going to be fixing these kinds of issues for a year18:46
dansmithheh18:46
mriedemno shit, this is whack a mole at it's finest18:46
dansmithlike, I'm fairly worried about how this is all going to go down18:46
cburgessWorried about what specifically?18:47
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mriedemworried about the number of bugs that have shaken out in the last 3 weeks18:47
dansmithcburgess: the thousand places we haven't already found and fixed18:47
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cburgessOh.. so.. normal release cycle? :)18:47
mriedemwell,18:47
dansmithcburgess: squared.18:48
cburgessBut seriously.. is there something that makes you more concerned this cylce then usual?18:48
cburgessJust the volume of bugs?18:48
dansmithcburgess: no specifically what we were just talking about18:48
mriedemocata was using placement but not for claims18:48
dansmithcburgess: placement claims stuff18:48
cburgessAhh ok18:48
mriedemnow we're basically redoing the resource tracker with placement, but triplicating it everywhere when things fail18:48
cburgessThat means we can blame jaypipes right?18:49
mriedembtw chet, wtf, you just show up?18:49
dansmithdoing the allocations stuff as part of RT was a huge mistake from the beginning18:49
mriedemin our hour of need18:49
cburgessmriedem To... ?18:49
openstackgerritIldiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec to use cinder's new attachment API  https://review.openstack.org/49755218:49
dansmithit should have been all clean and separate18:49
cburgessmriedem Oh I just looked at the back scroll yeah18:49
cburgessI try and stay current but fail mostly so when I do see something of interested I ask.18:49
edmondswis there any way to toggle whether an existing flavor is public or not? I don't see an update flavor API in the API docs, and the os-flavor-access APIs don't appear to do that either based on the docs...18:50
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mriedemsomething interesting like me and dan crying over the state of things18:50
mriedemedmondsw: there is no update flavors api18:50
cburgessmriedem Well.. more specifically seeing 2 cores I have a lot of respect for seriously debating concerns around stability makes me notice.18:50
mriedemos-flavor-access restricts access per tenant18:50
mriedemcburgess: heh as it should :)18:50
mriedemanyway, fixing this bug quick18:50
cburgessI want to know why so I can better steer our plans in the future of what releases to move to and when.18:51
edmondswmriedem right, that's what I was afraid of... boo...18:51
dansmithcburgess: that's stage 1 concern, stage 2 is seeing us polishing up resumes18:51
dansmithspeaking of which, has anyone seen my bottle of resume polish?18:51
cburgessdansmith Yes... very yes.18:51
cburgessWait there is a polish for that? Maybe thats why I've been stuck in this same job for 6 years... :P18:52
edmondswseems odd that we have an API to allow you to restrict access by tenant but not to open it up to all tenants18:52
dansmithcburgess: https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/327319/screenshots/1695561/resume_polish-01_1x.png18:52
edmondswoh well18:52
cburgessdansmith OMG I'm going to have to use that on social media some how. Thats brilliant.18:53
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mriedemhmm looks like remove_provider_from_instance_allocation handles the resize to same host for me18:58
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add uuid to migration object and migrate-on-load  https://review.openstack.org/49693419:30
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mriedemok fix incoming19:35
openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Cleanup allocations in failed prep_resize  https://review.openstack.org/49759219:35
mriedemdansmith: ^ should handle both resize to same host and different hosts, but don't have a functional test for the resize to same host case19:35
mriedemyet19:35
mriedemoomichi: can you help review ^ too please?19:39
mriedemwe're pretty short staffed right now19:39
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dansmithmriedem: why not do the flavor->resources conversion in the caller and then just re-use the existing migration method in the RT?19:44
dansmithother than that the method is identical to the above in terms of functionality19:44
mriedembecause the existing method uses instance.flavor19:44
mriedemwhich is not the new flavor yet19:44
mriedemthe instance.flavor = new_flavor in finish_resize19:45
dansmithah, I misread the first line19:45
mriedemit's sneaky19:45
dansmithcould still refactor it to take a flavor19:46
dansmithjust seems like it's too similar to duplicate19:46
mriedemwell, the name is misleading, and the error message if it fails19:46
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mriedemcdent was doing similar dedup here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496936/19:48
guimalufhi guys, I'm getting "Instance failed network setup after 1 attempt(s)" followed by "Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID". My compute node run neutron-{ovs,dhcp,metadata}-agent, and neutron-server and ml2 plugin on my neutron node. Rabbitmq is working. Any clue or direction?19:48
guimalufI couldn't find nothing meaningful on neutron-server logs, nor neutron-agents19:48
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mriedemcool got the resize to same host test done too20:04
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cfriesen_guimaluf: maybe enable debug logs in neutron/nova?  try to isolate whether neutron got the message, whether it processed the message, whether it sent a reply, and whether nova received the reply.20:07
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guimalufcfriesen_, is so difficult to check neutron agents logs, cause there is an process in loop filling the screen with trash info20:08
guimalufcfriesen_, I've enabled the debug and trying to check it out... :/20:08
mriedemdansmith: i've got the func test for the resize to same host part of this, so i'll push that up quick also20:08
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mriedemand deal with merging those methods in a follow u20:09
mriedem*up20:09
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dansmithokay20:10
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Cleanup allocations in failed prep_resize  https://review.openstack.org/49759220:11
mriedemthere it is20:11
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mriedemif the func test refactor part bothers you i could pull the new resize test into the patch before this one20:12
mriedemmight make review cleaner20:12
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dansmithalready +2d it20:13
mriedemsweet exhaustion20:13
mriedemnow, who do we make temporary core20:13
cfriesen_mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497592 looks okay (with lots of room for cleanup though).  were you planning on adding that testcase in test_servers.py or leaving that for a future patch?20:14
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mriedemcfriesen_: see PS220:14
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dansmithmriedem: we can wait a bit and see if someone pops up and if not I can just slam it in with an emergency war declaration20:14
mriedemok, but keep in mind we have to backport and merge in stable/pike too before the rc2 tag20:15
dansmithoh today is thursday huh20:15
mriedemand dims and doug are east coast choppers20:15
dansmithso better do it now then eh?20:16
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dimsdansmith : mriedem : i will be up until say 10:30-11:00 pm my time20:16
mriedemlet cfriesen_ +1 it :)20:16
cfriesen_heh20:17
dansmithooh, oomichi for the win20:19
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mriedemdansmith: oomichi: don't forget this one in the middle https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497541/120:20
mriedemthe middle child is always left out20:20
dansmithmriedem: I just slammed that one since it's just a test20:22
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mriedemok20:28
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cfriesen_mriedem: it seems wrong to have a test called "test_rescheduling_when_migrating_instance" that doesn't actually test anything around rescheduling.20:32
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mriedem1starting the backport parade20:32
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mriedemdansmith: ok we've got 4 backports for stable/pike, the 3 for this series starting here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497542/20:35
mriedemand this guy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497461/20:36
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mriedemthen that's rc220:36
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dansmithwaiting for master to merge though right?20:36
mriedemyeah i suppose, you could line up +2s w/o approvals20:36
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mriedemor jus twait20:37
mriedemgate seems backed up today20:37
* mriedem sends the gate some fiber20:37
dansmithokay all set20:37
mriedemqueues aren't big though so not sure if it's just me20:37
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mriedemcool20:38
mriedemi'll start the rc2 proceedings20:38
dansmithyeah I dunno why it's so slow with a relatively low workload20:38
dansmiththat conf thing is about to blow through20:39
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dansmithmriedem: your prep resize one at the end has a bunch of fails20:41
dansmithlike pep8 even I think20:41
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mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/497610/20:41
mriedemno way20:42
dansmith     (497606,1) Cleanup allocations in failed prep_resize (6m/~--~~~--~-~~_~/rem:12m)20:42
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mriedempretty sure i ran that before pushing20:42
mriedemdoing it again20:42
dansmithbut that looks like maybe functional too?20:43
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mriedempassed locally20:43
mriedempep8 that is20:43
dansmitheverything20:43
dansmithpy27, pep8, cells, functional, devstack20:43
dansmithhttp://logs.openstack.org/06/497606/1/check/gate-nova-tox-functional-ubuntu-xenial/0481e72/console.html20:43
dansmithnice20:43
mriedemoh infra20:44
mriedemok20:44
mriedemwhew20:44
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Fix sample configuration generation for compute-related options  https://review.openstack.org/49746020:44
dansmithall of them failed the same way20:44
dansmithmriedem: well, whew, if it's not about to block us from landing anything else20:44
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openstackgerritEric Berglund proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: PowerVM Driver: config drive  https://review.openstack.org/40940420:46
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dansmithwell, I guess I'll wander off for a bit and then come back to check on stuff20:55
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/49705821:05
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openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: Return alternates along with their allocations  https://review.openstack.org/48625321:07
openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: Add allocations to the values returned from the scheduler  https://review.openstack.org/49585421:07
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mriedemdansmith: i just realized that vikings game one of the season is monday night 9/11 at the PTG at ~5:30pm, therefore we will need to be out early and at a sports bar21:12
mriedempost haste21:12
mriedemmy beloved vikings will be trouncing mordred's loser saints21:12
openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Claim and report zero root disk for boot-from-volume instances  https://review.openstack.org/42850521:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Remove allocation when booting instance rescheduled or aborted  https://review.openstack.org/49699521:30
openstackgerritMerged openstack/nova master: Add functional test for rescheduling during a migration  https://review.openstack.org/49754121:31
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mriedemmaster branch change for this is merged now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497461/21:57
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mriedemand this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497542/21:57
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dansmithack22:03
dansmithmriedem: okay and that cleanup one on master is still waiting to fail22:05
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dimsmriedem : will vikings make playoffs this year?22:34
mriedemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk22:35
mordredmriedem: I shall heartily look forward to that game22:35
dansmithmmm, sportsball22:36
mriedemi hope peterson feels at home in nola where he turned over the ball 10 times in the NFC championship game that the vikings should have won22:37
mriedemand the one where favre's legs got broken22:37
mriedemthat's why he has to wear so much copper fit now22:37
mriedemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2HcwLgpBSY22:38
dansmithyeah, and I hope mattingly liked those home run swishes22:38
dansmithyou know with that .. ball .. the round...ish..one22:38
mriedemfavre works on the farm as much as push cleared brush22:38
mriedem*bush22:38
mriedemgeorge dubya22:38
mriedemwhere is clarkb during all this?!22:39
dansmithmriedem: so I will need to update the rc2 tag once the things land on pike right?22:40
dansmith'cause you'll be watching some meaty dudes throw balls around?22:40
mriedemdansmith: that's not happening tonight22:40
mriedemdansmith: i'll be here for the taggin'22:40
dansmithoh okay22:40
mriedemlike i said, monday night of the ptg22:40
mriedem5:3022:40
dansmithoh, monday at the ptg22:41
dansmithI thought you meant tonight22:41
mriedemget the whole crew together for team building22:41
dansmithyeah, didn't read22:41
mriedemand curse words22:41
clarkbmriedem: MNF?22:41
mriedemyes22:41
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clarkbI now have visions of mriedem explaining football rules to the nova team in buffalo wild wings22:42
clarkb"that didn't count because you can't put your hands on their faces" "you can give them a concussion but no hands on the face"22:42
mriedem"no gdi dan, that was a FALSE start"22:42
mriedemi hope there is somewhere better than a bww nearby22:43
clarkb"the ball is live on a punt, that returner completely failed at his one job"22:43
clarkber22:43
clarkbkickoff not punt22:43
mriedemyou can get the ball back on a botched punt return22:43
dansmithI can't tell which of those statements is real or fake22:43
* melwitt knows most of the rules of football22:43
mriedemi'm pretty sure the vikings have lost games they otherwise had in the bag b/c of a 4th quarter dropped punt return in the red zone22:44
mriedemRED ZONE!22:44
clarkbmriedem: theer was a case of a returning not picking up the ball on a kickoff last season iirc. So kicking team scored a touchdown22:44
mriedemmelwitt: good, you're miles ahead of artom then22:44
clarkbits liev after 10 yeards doesn't matter who touched it22:44
mriedemclarkb: oh right onside22:44
melwittand agreed, bw3 sucks. I wonder if they have wings n more in denver. that would be sweet22:45
clarkbwell in this case it was in the end zone but ya22:45
clarkbmelwitt: bw3 is across the street though22:45
mriedemi can't listen to a bunch of denverites talk about the broncos22:45
melwittoh, you've already researched this22:45
mriedemha22:45
mriedemyes22:45
mriedemmelwitt: btw, welcome back22:45
melwittthanks!22:46
cburgessWhat is bw3?22:46
cburgessmelwitt Did you come some place fun?22:46
melwitta crappy wing place/sports bar22:46
clarkb"in college he only needs one foot in, in the pros you need two"22:46
cburgessEw... gross22:46
melwittyeah, was in tahoe, twas fun22:46
cburgessNice!22:47
cburgessI haven't been up there in almost a decade. Keep meaning to go one summer, I hear its amazing. Only been skiing in the winters.22:47
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mriedemcburgess: you can't come some place22:48
mriedemgeez22:48
cburgessDo what?22:48
mriedemnvm22:48
melwittI know what it is and noticed it22:48
clarkbmriedem: I perpetually have the problem of tryingto explain wtf is going on during sportsball to everyone else around me. I have learned its extra bad when at live event22:48
melwitthehehe22:48
melwittcburgess: oh yeah, same here in that this was my first summer trip there. I didn't know what to expect but it was really fun. 13/10 would recommend22:49
mriedemclarkb: at least you have people around22:49
clarkbI had the twins signaling touchdowns on command last season though22:49
clarkbI think they need retraining this year22:49
melwittmriedem and clarkb are gonna be likethis watching MNF22:50
mriedemi really should be mowing the lawn actually22:50
mriedemlaura can hear me giggling from the kitchen22:50
melwitto/ laura22:50
mriedemalright i'm going to go do that22:51
clarkbmelwitt: and ya I've had to look for food options around ptg, trying to sort out infra team options22:52
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clarkbmelwitt: IHOP and buffalo wild wings are across the street22:52
clarkbbe warned though IHOP does not serve alcohol22:52
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cburgessHmm there are 2 waffles houses but they are driving distance. (22:58
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Request zero root disk for boot-from-volume instances  https://review.openstack.org/42848123:43
openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova master: Claim and report zero root disk for boot-from-volume instances  https://review.openstack.org/42850523:43
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