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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/438309 | 01:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Implement new attach/detach Cinder flow https://review.openstack.org/330285 | 01:40 |
openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Remove check_attach https://review.openstack.org/335358 | 01:40 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i'm +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335358/ remove check_attach now | 01:41 |
mriedem | let's do it | 01:41 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova master: Remove usage of config option verbose https://review.openstack.org/432271 | 02:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Refactor a test method including 7 test cases https://review.openstack.org/395436 | 02:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Jianghua Wang proposed openstack/nova master: XenAPI: device tagging https://review.openstack.org/333781 | 03:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Nguyen Hung Phuong proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/test_configdrive2.py https://review.openstack.org/322754 | 03:41 |
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openstackgerrit | foundjem proposed openstack/nova master: adding more stuffs in the first-file https://review.openstack.org/438331 | 05:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/os-vif master: [wip] https://review.openstack.org/438272 | 08:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova/tests/unit/api/openstack/compute/test_create_backup.py https://review.openstack.org/435610 | 10:26 |
openstackgerrit | Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] Remove mox from unit/api/openstack/compute/admin_only_action_common.py https://review.openstack.org/438416 | 10:26 |
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* johnthetubaguy wonders how many folks are post PTG, they have their eyes open, but their brain appears closed for business? | 10:48 | |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: o/ | 10:54 |
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kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Was the PTG productive? | 10:58 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/438309 | 11:00 |
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johnthetubaguy | kashyap: I think it was | 11:03 |
johnthetubaguy | kashyap: easier to tell how successful after the specs and code starts to land | 11:04 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: warmer now I guess? | 11:04 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: I have your check_attach patch open | 11:04 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I made it back to Europe so outside it's colder, but inside warmer :) | 11:04 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: same here, lol | 11:05 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: haha, that patch went through a few iterations over the weekend :) | 11:05 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I'm optimistic ;) | 11:05 |
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openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add live-migration-force-after-timeout spec https://review.openstack.org/438467 | 12:17 |
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danpawlik | Can someone take a look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436953/ ? | 12:20 |
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johnthetubaguy | ildikov: when we detach a volume, that always does unreserve right? | 12:37 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: yes , it does | 12:38 |
johnthetubaguy | ildikov: thats in the Cinder API I assume? | 12:38 |
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zioproto | hello there, there is a much of commits between the latest tag and stable/mitaka ... is there going to be a new mitaka release for nova ? | 12:40 |
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zioproto | there is a bug that blocks the mitaka to newton upgrade for me | 12:40 |
zioproto | the fix is merged in stable/mitaka but never released in packaging | 12:40 |
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johnthetubaguy | zioproto: lyarwood might now what the plans are there, I don't remember where we are with that now | 12:41 |
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zioproto | lyarwood, let me know :) This is merged but out of any distro: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382639/ and this is blocking for mitaka to newton upgrade for me. | 12:43 |
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satyar | Hi Jeffrey4l | 13:08 |
satyar | Hi diana_clarke | 13:09 |
diana_clarke | satyar: hello? | 13:10 |
satyar | How are you diana_clarke | 13:11 |
lyarwood | zioproto / johnthetubaguy ; I would say soon given mitaka is about to hit EOL upstream, I'll talk to matt about it later today | 13:11 |
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diana_clarke | satyar: Okay. Just getting the kids out the door to school. You? | 13:11 |
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satyar | i am doing ok | 13:11 |
lyarwood | zioproto: that said if this is for RH OSP you can file a support case and we can look at getting this in a build for you ASAP | 13:12 |
satyar | just want to check have you checked the recent nova code | 13:12 |
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diana_clarke | satyar: Do you have a specific nova question? There's lots of nova code ;) | 13:12 |
satyar | yes | 13:13 |
satyar | i created 20 vms(boot from volume) my quota for volume is 10 | 13:13 |
satyar | so 10 VMs gone to error state | 13:13 |
satyar | after i delete all the VMs the quota for CPU/RAM/Instances are showing used 10 | 13:14 |
diana_clarke | satyar: It sounds like your question might be a better fit for the #openstack channel (see channel description above). | 13:15 |
satyar | ideally it(used quota) should be 0 as all VMs are deleted | 13:15 |
satyar | i think its a issue with the quota code | 13:15 |
satyar | from nova | 13:15 |
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satyar | if you can point me the the file which runs the code of releasing quota after VM deletion will help me to find the root cause and fix it | 13:16 |
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akijak | hi, I've found a bug in nova concerning rebuilding and 'hw_disk_bus' image property (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1667667), I'm looking for someone who could give me some directions how to fix that :) can you help? | 13:24 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1667667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Rebuilding instance ignores image's property hw_disk_bus" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:24 |
satyar | any one aware of the code which updates the quota when the VM deletion happends? | 13:25 |
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zioproto | lyarwood, yes I can build new ubuntu packages with this fix and submit a merge request for Ubuntu Cloud Archive on launchpad, but if we get the latest stable/mitaka tag in nova upstream that would be better | 13:34 |
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lyarwood | zioproto: yup agreed, we should be able to sort that out this week | 13:39 |
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diana_clarke | satyar: I'm not familiar with the quota code, or I would try to point you in the right direction. Grep might be your best bet here. | 13:44 |
akijak | rpodolyaka: I've found a bug in nova concerning rebuilding and 'hw_disk_bus' image property (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1667667), I'm looking for someone who could give me some directions how to fix that :) can you help? | 13:44 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1667667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Rebuilding instance ignores image's property hw_disk_bus" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:44 |
satyar | i tried but not able to get it | 13:44 |
satyar | it seems its a blocker for ocata release | 13:44 |
satyar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1668267 | 13:44 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1668267 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova ignores to update the quota for VMs in error" [Undecided,New] | 13:44 |
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zioproto | lyarwood, can anyone confirm that to run newton I have to deploy a third mysql database for nova calling it 'cell0' | 13:50 |
zioproto | > | 13:50 |
zioproto | ?? | 13:51 |
edleafe | Nova scheduler subteam meeting in 8 minutes in #openstack-meeting-alt | 13:51 |
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lyarwood | zioproto: I believe so but that isn't really my area, have you checked devstack stable/newton out? | 13:59 |
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johnthetubaguy | satyar: instances in error have always consumed quota I believe, you have to delete them to release the quota | 14:00 |
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zioproto | lyarwood, I am upgrading a real staging cluster from mitaka to newton | 14:01 |
zioproto | in the newton release notes it does not say anything about this db | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | its required for newton, it is in the release notes, but its maybe not that obvious | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | its an ordering thing | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | the db sync will create the DB once the cell0 mapping is in place | 14:03 |
zioproto | so nova.conf should have cell0 db config ? | 14:03 |
zioproto | before running the db sync | 14:03 |
zioproto | of course | 14:03 |
zioproto | but wht | 14:03 |
zioproto | why | 14:03 |
zioproto | in the release notes | 14:03 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: the details should be here: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/cells.html#upgrade-minimal | 14:03 |
zioproto | there is written | 14:03 |
zioproto | configuring Cells V2 is still fully optional for this cycle | 14:03 |
zioproto | https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/newton.html -> configuring Cells V2 is still fully optional for this cycle | 14:04 |
zioproto | oh so the transport-url is something to access the db | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, I am out by one | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | its optional in newton, required in ocata | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | what errors are you seeing? | 14:05 |
zioproto | wait, I pastebin | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | it sounds like you ran the cell mapping, cmd, which would make it required | 14:05 |
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johnthetubaguy | if there is no cell mapping done, its not needed, I think... | 14:06 |
zioproto | http://paste.openstack.org/show/600616/ | 14:06 |
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johnthetubaguy | we might want to take this onto #openstack, given its an older release | 14:06 |
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johnthetubaguy | zioproto: do you have the API database created, that is not optional in newton | 14:07 |
zioproto | yes I have that | 14:07 |
zioproto | I have it since mitaka | 14:07 |
johnthetubaguy | has it been updated with api_db sync? | 14:07 |
zioproto | yes | 14:07 |
zioproto | that worked | 14:07 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: instance_extra is not in the API DB | 14:07 |
bauzas | zioproto: looks like a migration badly happened when db sync | 14:08 |
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zioproto | I have the backup of the db | 14:08 |
zioproto | at mitaka version | 14:08 |
zioproto | I can reimport it | 14:08 |
bauzas | zioproto: do you still have the logs of the 'nova-manage db sync' command ? | 14:08 |
bauzas | I mean the output | 14:08 |
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johnthetubaguy | bauzas: ah, yeah, I forgot that was "new" | 14:09 |
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zioproto | bauzas, http://paste.openstack.org/show/600617/ | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | oh wait, its doing migrate keypairs on an old DB somehow | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | ah, so that did fail | 14:10 |
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johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/6d64b7274410ae45b95bd7ac7f702c16daaa0fcd/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions/330_enforce_mitaka_online_migrations.py#L19 | 14:11 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: it seems the online db migrations on mitaka were not run | 14:11 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: you need to run those using the mitaka code base | 14:11 |
zioproto | what did I do wrong ? | 14:11 |
bauzas | sec, grabbing coffee for a jet-lag problem | 14:11 |
bauzas | https://www.internetmarketingninjas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/6-cool-productivity-charts-06.jpg | 14:11 |
zioproto | I cant rollback the api_db to mitaka, is this bad ? | 14:11 |
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zioproto | I can only rollback the main db | 14:11 |
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bauzas | zioproto: http://paste.openstack.org/show/600617/ means it didn't went all the way down | 14:12 |
zioproto | I see | 14:12 |
zioproto | but | 14:12 |
zioproto | if I try | 14:12 |
bauzas | zioproto: hence the db online migration failing | 14:12 |
zioproto | in mitaka | 14:12 |
openstackgerrit | Alex Szarka proposed openstack/nova master: Reduce code complexity in vmops._spawn method https://review.openstack.org/438502 | 14:12 |
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johnthetubaguy | no rollback needed here | 14:12 |
johnthetubaguy | you just need to run mitaka code | 14:13 |
johnthetubaguy | then do the online migrations | 14:13 |
bauzas | just run a new db sync | 14:13 |
mriedem | o/ | 14:13 |
johnthetubaguy | then do the new db sync | 14:13 |
bauzas | yeah what johnthetubaguy said | 14:13 |
bauzas | for mitaka, you need a full code+sync+online_migrations | 14:13 |
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johnthetubaguy | bauzas: do we have docs for this somewhere? like what to do if the migrations tell me I forgot to do online db migrations after upgrading the last release? | 14:13 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/438309 | 14:14 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so I +Wed a thing this morning | 14:14 |
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zioproto | nova-manage: error: argument category: invalid choice: 'help' (choose from 'version', 'bash-completion', 'project', 'account', 'shell', 'logs', 'service', 'cell_v2', 'db', 'vm', 'agent', 'cell', 'network', 'host', 'floating', 'fixed', 'vpn', 'api_db') | 14:14 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, I remember some cases where we preventively asked to have the online migrations be done before upgdrading | 14:14 |
mriedem | this thing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335358/ | 14:15 |
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zioproto | what is the command for the onlinemigrations in mitaka ? | 14:15 |
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bauzas | yup | 14:15 |
zioproto | nova-manage 'what?' | 14:15 |
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zioproto | nova-manage db online_data_migrations | 14:16 |
mriedem | nova-manage db online_data_migrations | 14:16 |
zioproto | I try | 14:16 |
bauzas | nova-manage db online_data_migrations | 14:16 |
bauzas | graaah | 14:16 |
bauzas | but I have the jetlag excuse | 14:16 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, its not changed between the releases | 14:16 |
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bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/upgrade.html#rolling-upgrade-process last bullet kinda covers your ask | 14:17 |
zioproto | this fails | 14:17 |
zioproto | ERROR nova.db.sqlalchemy.api [req-cc2969ea-476a-4c4c-afe8-5012ad4f2a04 - - - - -] Data migrations for PciDevice are not safe, likely because not all services that access the DB directly are updated to the latest version | 14:17 |
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zioproto | ( I am on a phone call, away from the keyboard for 10 minutes) | 14:18 |
* alex_xu missed the scheduler meeting | 14:18 | |
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edleafe | alex_xu: you didn't miss much :) | 14:19 |
alex_xu | edleafe: yea, i found it ends super early :) | 14:19 |
edleafe | alex_xu: we | 14:20 |
edleafe | ugh | 14:20 |
edleafe | alex_xu: we're all talked out and jetlagged it seems :) | 14:20 |
bauzas | oh heh https://www.flickr.com/photos/152419717@N06/32267855063/in/album-72157680602754246/lightbox/ | 14:21 |
alex_xu | cool, nothing I missed | 14:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/nova master: Use adapter instead of ks_filter https://review.openstack.org/438512 | 14:32 |
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zioproto | I am back | 14:33 |
zioproto | any idea what is this 'Data migrations for PciDevice are not safe' | 14:34 |
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zioproto | ? | 14:34 |
dansmith | zioproto: that means you have to start the compute nodes first and let them settle before you can continue to run that migration | 14:34 |
bauzas | zioproto: the error seems because you haven't upgraded all your controlplane | 14:34 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: was that from mitaka migrations? | 14:34 |
johnthetubaguy | ah, there we go | 14:34 |
dansmith | bauzas: computes not control place, iirc | 14:34 |
bauzas | semantics good point | 14:35 |
zioproto | what ? | 14:35 |
zioproto | wait this is a working mitaka setup | 14:35 |
zioproto | all mitaka now | 14:35 |
zioproto | and I just run | 14:35 |
zioproto | nova-manage db online_data_migrations | 14:35 |
zioproto | all compute nodes are also running mitaka | 14:35 |
zioproto | johnthetubaguy, yes that was from mitaka migrations | 14:36 |
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bauzas | just pulling the reasoning | 14:37 |
bauzas | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/mitaka/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L6487 | 14:37 |
johnthetubaguy | what is the compute RPC pin in your configuration file? | 14:38 |
bauzas | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/mitaka/nova/objects/pci_device.py#L121-L127 | 14:38 |
johnthetubaguy | oh... | 14:38 |
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bauzas | so, you need to have all your conductors and computes being Mitaka | 14:38 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: do you have two stale service records in your DB? | 14:38 |
dansmith | conductors would have to have gone first anyway | 14:39 |
bauzas | well, at least running service version #4 | 14:39 |
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johnthetubaguy | zioproto: like old compute nodes that are no longer running? | 14:39 |
dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, might be that, although it should be ignoring things that are aged out | 14:39 |
zioproto | let me check | 14:39 |
johnthetubaguy | zioproto: I think the other error said you had two nodes that were not migrated | 14:39 |
dansmith | johnthetubaguy: ah, it ignored forced-down but not aged-down | 14:40 |
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zioproto | this is the staging setup, I have exactly two compute nodes | 14:40 |
johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, was just going to say that | 14:40 |
dansmith | so yeah, likely an orphaned record or something | 14:40 |
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satyar | Hi johnthethubaguy | 14:41 |
satyar | are you johngarbutt!!! | 14:41 |
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zioproto | so, I dont undertstand, you want the output of 'openstack hypervisor list' ? | 14:42 |
dansmith | zioproto: service-list | 14:42 |
zioproto | http://paste.openstack.org/show/600624/ | 14:42 |
kashyap | satyar: No need for so many exclamations. If you have a question, just write to the channel, unless you are already interacting with a specific reviewer. | 14:43 |
dansmith | there ya go | 14:43 |
dansmith | zioproto: nova-0 used to have a compute on it apparently? | 14:43 |
dansmith | zioproto: you probably want to just delete that from the db, but you may also be able to force-down it to get past this point | 14:43 |
zioproto | should not | 14:43 |
zioproto | nova-0 is a vm where I just run the nova-api services | 14:44 |
zioproto | it is not a compute node | 14:44 |
dansmith | well, it reported nova-compute three days ago | 14:44 |
zioproto | ok good, but what about the second one ? | 14:44 |
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dansmith | zioproto: what second one? | 14:44 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: yeah, thats right :) | 14:44 |
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satyar | Thanks johnthetubaguy i just updated the bug(https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1668267) its in the step 3 delete all Vms | 14:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1668267 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova ignores to update the quota for VMs in error" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:45 |
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akijak | hi, I've found a bug in nova concerning rebuilding and 'hw_disk_bus' image property (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1667667), I'm looking for someone who could give me some directions how to fix that :) can you help? | 14:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1667667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Rebuilding instance ignores image's property hw_disk_bus" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:46 |
zioproto | dansmith, http://paste.openstack.org/show/600617/ There are still 2 unmigrated records in the compute_nodes table. | 14:46 |
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satyar | kashyap its a usual practice if you are not sure about asking someone is thats right what you are asking putting 3 exclamation marks | 14:47 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: asked you a follow up on the bug, I am curious about what list instances shows after deleting the VMs | 14:47 |
dansmith | zioproto: I would resolve the pci thing and see if you make more online migration progress | 14:47 |
dansmith | zioproto: that message is from the newton db sync right? | 14:47 |
zioproto | right | 14:48 |
satyar | no VMs present | 14:48 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: do you have a setup where you can test the same thing with master? | 14:48 |
johnthetubaguy | its basically the same thing right now | 14:49 |
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satyar | i am running with master also | 14:49 |
satyar | same issue | 14:49 |
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johnthetubaguy | satyar: sounds crazy to ask, but how did you delete all the VMs, just a quick loop that called the delete API call? | 14:50 |
dansmith | zioproto: just to be clear, you're running online migrations with the mitaka code, correct? | 14:50 |
satyar | no | 14:50 |
zioproto | correct | 14:50 |
zioproto | I deleted that service | 14:50 |
zioproto | now I will try again the online migrations | 14:51 |
dansmith | zioproto: cool, yep | 14:51 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: how did you delete them all? | 14:51 |
zioproto | dansmith, is it a problem that I have already the db_api in the newton version ? I cant downgrade that db :( | 14:51 |
satyar | johnthetubagu: i waited for VMs to go to error state for which block device mapping failed then after 5 mins delete the VMs | 14:51 |
satyar | from horizon | 14:51 |
satyar | select all and delete | 14:52 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: thats cool, can you add that detail into the bug please? | 14:52 |
dansmith | zioproto: not sure what you mean.. the db sync is stopping on the newton side because it's detecting you haven't done your work in mitaka | 14:52 |
satyar | sure | 14:52 |
zioproto | dansmith, same problem http://paste.openstack.org/show/600626/ | 14:52 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: I know the current quota system is racey on delete, but this seems a bit odd | 14:53 |
mriedem | edleafe: if you're aware of specs needing re-approvals for any of the resource provider stuff just ping me if they aren't getting attention | 14:53 |
dansmith | zioproto: what does service-list show now? and what did you do to delete the old service? | 14:53 |
mriedem | i'm procrastinating on ptg recap emails | 14:53 |
johnthetubaguy | satyar: if you only create 15, what do you see? left with 5 quota, or still left with 10 quota in use? | 14:53 |
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satyar | yes | 14:53 |
johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think the policy specs include the PTG updates now, incase that helps | 14:53 |
zioproto | dansmith, http://paste.openstack.org/show/600627/ | 14:54 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: but re-approvals are mindless reviews :) | 14:54 |
mriedem | i need mindless right now | 14:54 |
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zioproto | dansmith, I also tried to apply this fix to my mitaka installation but it did not help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1630732 | 14:55 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1630732 in OpenStack Compute (nova) newton "online_data_migrations does not ignore deleted services" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Dan Smith (danms) | 14:55 |
satyar | johnthetubaguy: to reproduce the issue 1. set the volume quota to 10 and VM quota to 20 or higher 2. create 15 VMs with boot from volume option from horizon | 14:56 |
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dansmith | zioproto: yeah, that's not related, but I think it might be soft-delete related | 14:56 |
dansmith | zioproto: willing to execute a sql query to confirm? | 14:56 |
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satyar | wait for 5 VMs to go to error state and 10 to come to active | 14:57 |
edleafe | mriedem: not atm, but will do | 14:57 |
satyar | then delete all VMs | 14:57 |
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zioproto | dansmith, sure, is the staging env | 14:58 |
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zioproto | dansmith, I have to make it work here before uprgading production | 14:58 |
zioproto | dansmith, I can access the db | 14:58 |
dansmith | zioproto: so in the nova database, services table, look for the record that matches that service you deleted.. should have the deleted column as nonzero | 14:58 |
dansmith | zioproto: then delete that record | 14:58 |
zioproto | dansmith, http://paste.openstack.org/show/600630/ | 15:00 |
zioproto | it is not many records, which one should I delete ? | 15:00 |
satyar | johnthetubaguy: i attached the screenshot how to create boot from volume from horizon | 15:00 |
zioproto | dansmith, 11 and 12 look weird, no ? | 15:00 |
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dansmith | zioproto: ah, so you have a deleted conductor record too, which will do it as well.. so really I think you want "DELETE FROM services WHERE deleted != 0" | 15:01 |
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zioproto | dansmith, http://paste.openstack.org/show/600632/ | 15:02 |
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zioproto | but if I run nova-manage db online_data_migrations this still fails | 15:03 |
zioproto | 2017-02-27 16:02:14.167 16580 ERROR nova.db.sqlalchemy.api [req-cbc733c3-8c99-4f93-8b51-07d61d77102b - - - - -] Data migrations for PciDevice are not safe, likely because not all services that access the DB directly are updated to the latest version | 15:03 |
mriedem | cached? | 15:03 |
mriedem | the service version is cached right? | 15:03 |
zioproto | cached where ? | 15:03 |
dansmith | mriedem: not in nova-manage | 15:03 |
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dansmith | zioproto: 11 and 12 do look very weird yeah | 15:04 |
zioproto | should I delete those too ? | 15:04 |
zioproto | I will | 15:04 |
dansmith | actually, the api one might be okay | 15:05 |
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dansmith | it's definitely weird because it doesn't get updated periodically | 15:05 |
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dansmith | neither of these really should be in effect though, which is strange | 15:05 |
zioproto | same error | 15:05 |
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dansmith | ah, and the metadata one is probably weird for the same reason | 15:05 |
dansmith | zioproto: are you deploying from git or distro packages or what? | 15:05 |
zioproto | ubuntu packages | 15:06 |
zioproto | mitaka | 15:06 |
dansmith | zioproto: can you give me an exact version string so I can try to hunt down a git sha? | 15:06 |
zioproto | 2:13.1.2-0ubuntu2 | 15:06 |
zioproto | the repo is http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages | 15:07 |
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zioproto | should be the nova tag 13.1.2 | 15:09 |
dansmith | should be, but... | 15:09 |
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zioproto | I am checking the ubuntu patches in the deb packages on top of 13.1.2, nothing related to this thing AFAIK | 15:11 |
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zioproto | dansmith, git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/nova and see branch stable/mitaka | 15:11 |
belmoreira | testing "db sync" in a copy of our production DBs from liberty to mitaka and getting an error in the migration 317->318: error: Index 'allocations_resource_provider_class_used_idx' already exists! | 15:13 |
belmoreira | Is this a known issue? google is not being my friend | 15:14 |
dansmith | zioproto: just to be clear, you have this applied to the code you're running nova-manage from? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385195/1/nova/objects/pci_device.py | 15:14 |
mriedem | oh wow that's not released yet.. | 15:15 |
dansmith | mriedem: which? | 15:15 |
mriedem | ^ | 15:15 |
mriedem | that's in stable/mitaka but not released | 15:16 |
mriedem | in a 13.x point release | 15:16 |
mriedem | so might not be in distros | 15:16 |
dansmith | mriedem: the index thing or my link? | 15:16 |
mriedem | your link | 15:16 |
zioproto | dansmith, let me check | 15:16 |
dansmith | okay | 15:16 |
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dansmith | zioproto: that could definitely be your problem if you don't.. now that my brain re-caffeinates, it would cause us to always get zero as the minimum version regardless of what is in the db | 15:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova master: Replace diagnostics objects with Nova diagnostics objects https://review.openstack.org/394480 | 15:17 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova master: Added nova objects for intance diagnostics https://review.openstack.org/434745 | 15:17 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova master: Standardization of VM diagnostics info API. https://review.openstack.org/355540 | 15:17 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova master: Completed implementation of instance diagnostics for Xen https://review.openstack.org/399613 | 15:17 |
openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova master: Add RPC version aliases for Ocata https://review.openstack.org/425958 | 15:17 |
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zioproto | dansmith, yes, I applied that patch, and also regenrated the pyc file. And still the problem is there | 15:17 |
dansmith | zioproto: since this is pre-prod can you share with me a dump of the db by chance? | 15:18 |
zioproto | sure, as long as I share it just with you and not will the all world in public it is okay :)( | 15:18 |
zioproto | :) | 15:18 |
dansmith | zioproto: sure, will pm | 15:18 |
dansmith | mriedem: that definitely should get out to people, but it also shouldn't be blocking zioproto from getting to the migration he needs, so it really should only affect pci-using people | 15:20 |
dansmith | but still important of course | 15:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Plumbing for tagged nic attachment https://review.openstack.org/415622 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Delete nic metadata when detaching interface https://review.openstack.org/435387 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Libvirt support for tagged volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/418100 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Delete disk metadata when detaching volume https://review.openstack.org/435082 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Plumbing for tagged volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/391941 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: API support for tagged device attachment https://review.openstack.org/376021 | 15:26 |
openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Libvirt support for tagged nic attachment https://review.openstack.org/415520 | 15:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Ignore deleted services in minimum version calculation https://review.openstack.org/438578 | 16:17 |
dansmith | mriedem: I think we want that ^ back to mitaka | 16:17 |
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mriedem | ok i'll hold https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438570/ up for that | 16:18 |
dansmith | cool | 16:18 |
akijak | hi, I've found a bug in nova concerning rebuilding and 'hw_disk_bus' image property (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1667667), I'm looking for someone who could give me some directions how to fix that :) can you help? | 16:19 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1667667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Rebuilding instance ignores image's property hw_disk_bus" [Low,Confirmed] | 16:19 |
mriedem | dansmith: +2, just need another taker | 16:21 |
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sdague | mriedem: where are these patches? | 16:24 |
sfinucan | macsz: Any thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429042/? | 16:24 |
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mriedem | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/438578 | 16:28 |
sdague | mriedem: yeh, I found it | 16:28 |
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ildikov | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I passed out, but yes it is, the link was added to one the earlier comments of the patch | 16:33 |
ildikov | johnthetubaguy: and thanks for approving :) | 16:33 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/destroy #2: functional https://review.openstack.org/438598 | 16:34 |
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efried | mriedem mikal: Per request, split out a spawn/delete change set that's a mere 362LOC. Managed to make it pass jenkins *and* our CI. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438119/ | 16:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova master: placement: ironic inventory reporting https://review.openstack.org/437602 | 16:39 |
macsz | sfinucan: hmm merging them together sounds like a good idea, let me check the hyper-v code, let's see if it behaves the same as the libvirt's counterpart | 16:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/delete #1: no-ops https://review.openstack.org/438119 | 16:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: power_on/off and reboot https://review.openstack.org/427380 | 16:55 |
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mriedem | sdague: you know how you renamed gate-tempest-dsvm-nnet-ubuntu-xenial ? | 16:57 |
sdague | mriedem: yep | 16:57 |
sdague | what now? | 16:57 |
mriedem | something was broken in the branch filtering | 16:57 |
mriedem | we haven't been running nova-net since ocata unless it's in the cells v1 job | 16:58 |
mriedem | so i'm guessing gate-tempest-dsvm-nnet-ubuntu-xenial is running neutron | 16:58 |
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mriedem | else it would be failing | 16:58 |
mriedem | it should be running on pike or ocata though | 16:58 |
mriedem | *shouldn't | 16:58 |
sdague | mriedem: yep, seems to be running neutron | 16:59 |
sdague | where was the branch filtering for that? | 16:59 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/destroy #2: functional https://review.openstack.org/438598 | 16:59 |
mriedem | i assume layout.yaml | 16:59 |
mriedem | looking | 16:59 |
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mriedem | L2051 | 17:01 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: power_on/off and reboot https://review.openstack.org/427380 | 17:01 |
sdague | mriedem: ok, pushing a change | 17:02 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/438621 ? | 17:02 |
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mriedem | sdague: see my comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437137/ | 17:04 |
mriedem | in the project def too | 17:04 |
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mriedem | the nnet job should be explicit about using nova-network since d-g defaults to using neutron if not specified since ocata | 17:05 |
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sdague | mriedem: there is no explicit nnet | 17:06 |
mriedem | the nnet job is explicitly nova-network right? | 17:06 |
mriedem | hence the rename | 17:06 |
mriedem | you should set "export DEVSTACK_GATE_NEUTRON=0" in those jobs | 17:06 |
mriedem | because of https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate-wrap.sh#L206 | 17:07 |
sdague | ah, I didn't realize that happened | 17:07 |
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mriedem | yeah, part of getting nova-net out of ocata jobs | 17:07 |
mriedem | clarkb and i tag teamed like the hart brothers | 17:08 |
sdague | how about now? | 17:10 |
mriedem | you missed one | 17:10 |
sdague | gah, unsaved buffer | 17:12 |
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openstackgerrit | JeffreyGuan proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Grammar typo in the comments for function set_meta. https://review.openstack.org/438631 | 17:16 |
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mriedem | dansmith: backports are up https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ic96a5eb3728f97a3c35d2c5121e6fdcd4fd1c70b,n,z | 17:18 |
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mriedem | sdague: +1 now | 17:21 |
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openstackgerrit | John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/nova master: Use flake8-import-order https://review.openstack.org/435575 | 17:25 |
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dansmith | mriedem: awesome thanks | 17:30 |
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dansmith | mriedem: he found another couple things, but they're newton and beyond so we should be good on mitaka once those merge | 17:39 |
mriedem | word to your mother | 17:40 |
mriedem | reminds me i was going to write a spec about exposing the service version in the REST API | 17:40 |
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openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: Backlog spec on preemptible instances https://review.openstack.org/438640 | 17:42 |
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dansmith | mriedem: actually I think we already fixed the other things he hit in newton, but I'll confirm with him tomorrow when he's back | 17:57 |
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cfriesen | mriedem: here's the stable/newton release note for bug 1644248 | 17:59 |
openstack | bug 1644248 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ocata "Nova incorrectly tracks live migration progress" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644248 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 17:59 |
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cfriesen | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/438650 | 18:00 |
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mriedem | ok | 18:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova master: Remove invalid tests-py3 whitelist item https://review.openstack.org/438660 | 18:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova master: Remove invalid tests-py3 whitelist item https://review.openstack.org/438660 | 18:11 |
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macsz | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438660/ | 18:12 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/438309 | 18:14 |
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sfinucan | mriedem: RE: the cliff vs. click thing - sorry I missed that discussion (we had gifts to get) | 18:18 |
openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova master: Tests: remove .testrepository/times.dbm in tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/435111 | 18:18 |
sfinucan | but I've comments left on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433603/2 | 18:18 |
sfinucan | tl;dr: IMO, cliff is broken by design and no one should be using it. In addition, click offers enough cool things to justify its inclusion in g-r | 18:18 |
sfinucan | I'd be happy to try talk the openstackclient team around, but without "code on the table" I doubt I'd get far :) | 18:20 |
openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova master: conf: remove *_topic config opts https://review.openstack.org/433924 | 18:20 |
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sdague | sfinucan: well, feel free to have the conversation with the openstack client team, but definitely personally -1 on replacing one different CLI system with another one, instead of standardizing into what everyone else in the community is using | 18:21 |
dansmith | me too | 18:21 |
openstackgerrit | John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/nova master: Use flake8-import-order https://review.openstack.org/435575 | 18:22 |
sfinucan | sdague: I do think they're standardizing on a bad choice but that's understandable | 18:24 |
* sfinucan wonders how hard a cliff-click shim would be | 18:24 | |
* sfinucan thinks "very" | 18:24 | |
sdague | sfinucan: well, there is a ton of experience in the community, cliff was adopted into openstack as an openstack project, so am very much not interested in running off in a different direction | 18:25 |
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sfinucan | sdague: Yup, standardizing on things is good. It's just that I think cliff is a poor choice to standardize on | 18:27 |
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sdague | sfinucan: ok, well get in a time machine and go back to 2013 and have that argument :) | 18:29 |
sfinucan | :) | 18:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Reserve NUMA nodes with PCI devices attached https://review.openstack.org/364468 | 18:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Friesen proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Add support for showing flavor details (v2.43) https://review.openstack.org/435141 | 18:55 |
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mriedem | cfriesen: i added the co-authored-by on your newton reno | 19:02 |
mriedem | +2 now | 19:02 |
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cfriesen | mriedem: oops, missed that. thanks for the tweak | 19:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Sujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova.tests.unit.virt.xenapi.test_vmops.GetConsoleOutputTestCase https://review.openstack.org/438678 | 19:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Sujitha proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox from nova.tests.unit.virt.xenapi.test_vmops[1] https://review.openstack.org/438678 | 19:35 |
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mriedem | sdague: did you ever find a patch to remove LocalFS? | 20:21 |
mriedem | i couldn't find one of yours like that | 20:21 |
sdague | I might have abanoned it, let me go look | 20:21 |
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sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324720/3 - just restored and recheck | 20:22 |
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mriedem | melwitt: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431749/ - was there anything you wanted to add to that given the discussion at the PTG about adding project/user IDs to the placement API for handling quota when a cell is down? | 20:46 |
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mriedem | sdague: just checking, but did you agree to take a stab at a spec for storing limits in keystone? | 21:04 |
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sdague | mriedem: yeh, I need to go look at the keystone spec | 21:05 |
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mriedem | ok, just updating some notes | 21:05 |
mriedem | thanks | 21:05 |
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cfriesen | what's the current view on cleaning up stale data in the nova db? is there a way to clean up all the tables, or just some? And is anyone working on improving it? | 21:07 |
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mriedem | cfriesen: there is the archive command | 21:07 |
mriedem | but that just moves to shadow tables | 21:07 |
mriedem | there was a spec/effort at one point for adding a purge instances command | 21:07 |
mriedem | but withered on the vine, needs an owner | 21:07 |
cfriesen | mriedem: this one? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/purge-deleted-instances-cmd | 21:09 |
mriedem | yeah | 21:09 |
mriedem | spec would have to be re-proposed for pike | 21:09 |
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mriedem | raj_singh: sdague: efried: i'm seeing several rechecks on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412634/ but the py35 dsvm job failures look legit | 21:27 |
mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/34/412634/25/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-py35-ubuntu-xenial/c7c593e/logs/screen-n-api.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 21:27 |
openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova master: Adopts keystoneauth with glance client. https://review.openstack.org/412634 | 21:29 |
sdague | mriedem: ok, let me rebase to master to see if it was keeping a very odd old parent on some things | 21:29 |
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mriedem | ok, the failure isn't clear to me otherwise | 21:30 |
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mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/34/412634/25/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-py35-ubuntu-xenial/c7c593e/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz#_2017-02-24_03_57_52_828 is the g-api response i think | 21:32 |
sdague | mriedem: yeh, the patch being from Feb 13 means that I expect there remained broken things on the python 35 side in nova | 21:32 |
sdague | that only fixed much later | 21:32 |
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sdague | mriedem: ok, well lets see what a clean rebase gives us | 21:32 |
sdague | I'd rather not chase until we know we're working off a base that we know works in python3.5 | 21:33 |
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mriedem | sure | 21:33 |
mriedem | also, we have a way to enable glanceclient debug if we need to debug this | 21:33 |
mriedem | since it's not tracing the requests/responses | 21:33 |
mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/glance.py#L87 | 21:34 |
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mriedem | dansmith: i can drop this now right? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420976/ | 21:35 |
mriedem | you're using something else | 21:35 |
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dansmith | mriedem: yeah | 21:35 |
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raj_singh | sdague: thx. If this rebase does not fix then I will debug it tomorrow. | 21:35 |
mriedem | dansmith: and this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421399/ | 21:35 |
dansmith | mriedem: no, I'll have to have that when I make this spawn conductors on the subnode | 21:36 |
mriedem | ok | 21:36 |
sdague | raj_singh: sounds great | 21:36 |
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mriedem | dansmith: L22 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike-cells - can you link that in there? | 21:57 |
dansmith | jess | 21:58 |
mriedem | i thought that was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436094/ | 21:58 |
mriedem | but wasn't sure | 21:58 |
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dansmith | yup | 21:58 |
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mriedem | the super-conductor / fleet stuff is really not discussed at all in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike-cells | 22:14 |
mriedem | so i'm at a loss for notes besides wanting to move all conductors in the multinode job to the subnode | 22:14 |
mriedem | i don't have the whiteboard picture either | 22:15 |
mriedem | did that get posted anywhere? | 22:15 |
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dansmith | mriedem: the fleeting notion (hah) came from an ad-hoc discussion on monday | 22:15 |
cburgess | I'm vaguely recalling at one point that ironic wanted a way to lock an image to flavor (or vice versa), did anything for that ever get implementing in nova? | 22:16 |
mriedem | cburgess: doesn't ring a bell | 22:16 |
mriedem | dansmith: can you give me the high level idea? i know we also talked about some various job configs where this wouldn't work, or something about how we couldn't run it with the live migration tests because they'd try to jump cells | 22:17 |
cburgess | mriedem Well my brain and memory isn't what it used to be so I could be confusing different things. I did a quick search in nova and couldn't find anything, was just curious. I have a client asking about doing something similiar right now and before I go tell them why their idea is bad I wanted to be sure I could just tell them how to do it (even if it is bad). | 22:17 |
dansmith | mriedem: I think the solution to the test thing is to make (or make sure) the live migration job doesn't fleet conductors and does have cold migration tests enabled | 22:18 |
dansmith | mriedem: but basically, we have one conductor per cell (two cells, thus two cell conductors in a normal multinode job) | 22:18 |
dansmith | mriedem: and then another one which sits at the top level for build and migrate | 22:19 |
dansmith | mriedem: all of those will load up on the subnode in d-g | 22:19 |
mriedem | top level is the super conductor | 22:19 |
dansmith | yeah | 22:19 |
mriedem | and the super conductor points to the nova_api db? | 22:19 |
mriedem | or no db? | 22:20 |
mriedem | just cell0 | 22:20 |
dansmith | mriedem: the nova.conf for the superconductor has api_db credentials, and has its main set to cell0 just to defeat any cheating | 22:20 |
mriedem | since we don't support migrating across cells, we had the issue of how to resolve that (i remember talking about that on the way to big ted's buffalo banquet on thurs night) - which was support migration across cells, or hack into the scheduler that you can only move within the same cell for now | 22:21 |
mriedem | is that still TBD? | 22:21 |
dansmith | mriedem: I have the scheduler modified to restrict to single-cell migrations | 22:23 |
dansmith | mriedem: so we need to just make sure the live migration job has one cell for both nodes and the cold migration tests enabled | 22:23 |
dansmith | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438025/ | 22:23 |
dansmith | working on cleaning this stack right now, by the way | 22:24 |
mriedem | is that your way of telling me to leave you alone? :P | 22:25 |
mriedem | i dumped some notes in the etherpad | 22:25 |
dansmith | no, just explaining all the fails on that WIP patch :) | 22:25 |
mriedem | i think i've got enough for a recap email now | 22:26 |
mriedem | ok | 22:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/destroy #3: TaskFlow https://review.openstack.org/438729 | 23:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Target cell in conductor cold migrate https://review.openstack.org/438022 | 23:25 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change MQ targeting to honor only what is in the context https://review.openstack.org/438023 | 23:25 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Make compute/api instance get set target cell on context https://review.openstack.org/437355 | 23:25 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add cell field to Destination object https://review.openstack.org/438024 | 23:25 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Make conductor ask scheduler to limit migrates to same cell https://review.openstack.org/438025 | 23:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Target cell in conductor cold migrate https://review.openstack.org/438022 | 23:38 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change MQ targeting to honor only what is in the context https://review.openstack.org/438023 | 23:38 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add cell field to Destination object https://review.openstack.org/438024 | 23:38 |
openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Make conductor ask scheduler to limit migrates to same cell https://review.openstack.org/438025 | 23:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/destroy #4: full flavor https://review.openstack.org/391288 | 23:40 |
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openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/nova master: Add attachment_uuid to BDM table https://review.openstack.org/438744 | 23:53 |
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mikal | tonyb: mriedem went away so I can't tell him why we reverted that thing | 23:56 |
mikal | So that went well | 23:56 |
tonyb | mikal: :( Tell me and he can read the logs | 23:57 |
mikal | tonyb: the ploop stuff exposes a config drive which uses an ext4 filesystem. This works for the parallels guys because they assume that all their "instances" are linux for obvious reasons. | 23:57 |
mikal | tonyb: however the ploop support is added in a way that say, libvirt, could use a ploop config drive as well | 23:58 |
mikal | tonyb: which means every guest OS in the world now needs to support ext4 because of a possible deployer choice | 23:58 |
mikal | tonyb: which isn't great for something like a windows guest | 23:58 |
dansmith | yeah, that sucks | 23:58 |
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dansmith | I wish we had that context whilst discussing it | 23:58 |
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mikal | tonyb: we had a long argument at the time about how we'd deliberately picked fat and iso9660 because they were universally supported by our guest OSes | 23:59 |
mikal | tonyb: and in fact every conceivable OS | 23:59 |
mikal | tonyb: until we discovered that parallel in fact supports neither of those, as they have no way to mount a block device | 23:59 |
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dansmith | is there some reason they can't just use fat for that as well? | 23:59 |
dansmith | ah | 23:59 |
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