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| openstackgerrit | STEW TY proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.resume notifications https://review.openstack.org/375784 | 00:27 |
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| tonyb | dansmith: Can you revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317064 ? | 00:39 |
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| dansmith | tonyb: done | 00:41 |
| tonyb | dansmith: Thanks. | 00:41 |
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| * tonyb forgot that our DST change menat more dansmith time :) | 00:42 | |
| dansmith | tonyb: not really, I just happened to hear the ding from the other room | 00:43 |
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| tonyb | dansmith: awww :( | 00:43 |
| dansmith | heh | 00:43 |
| dansmith | but I did come running in CASE it was you! :P | 00:43 |
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| dansmith | heh | 00:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Fix database poison warnings, part 21 https://review.openstack.org/377051 | 00:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: Fix wrong parameters in os-volumes.inc https://review.openstack.org/347112 | 02:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add swap volume notifications (error) https://review.openstack.org/328055 | 09:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: hardware: Rework docstrings https://review.openstack.org/367468 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: Update references for split up hardware module https://review.openstack.org/368968 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: hardware: Standardize '_get_XXX_constraints' functions https://review.openstack.org/367469 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: hardware: Flatten functions https://review.openstack.org/367470 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: hardware: Split into modules https://review.openstack.org/367467 | 09:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: tests: Split 'test_hardware' into modules https://review.openstack.org/368967 | 09:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add swap volume notifications https://review.openstack.org/340715 | 09:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova-specs: Abort Cold Migration https://review.openstack.org/334732 | 10:01 |
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| sfinucan | tdurakov: What's up? | 10:07 |
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| tdurakov | sfinucan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378710/ - left comment on that | 10:08 |
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| sfinucan | tdurakov: Ah, yes. What prefix would you recommend? | 10:09 |
| sfinucan | If any... | 10:09 |
| tdurakov | sfinucan: I'd say no prefix at all, what do you think? | 10:09 |
| sfinucan | tdurakov: Fine with me :) | 10:09 |
| tdurakov | sfinucan: cool, thanks:) | 10:10 |
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| rpodolyaka | tdurakov: got a minute? have a quick question for you | 10:19 |
| tdurakov | rpodolyaka: yeah, what's up? | 10:20 |
| rpodolyaka | tdurakov: so I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1555320 and tried to reproduce it locally on stable/mitaka | 10:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555320 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""Migration for instance 0763227e-e192-4e0b-a49d-0ea0b181fca6 refers to another host's instance!" should not be an error" [Low,Confirmed] | 10:20 |
| rpodolyaka | tdurakov: it turns out that it's easy to do - you just need to have two compute hosts and trigger a resize / cold migration to another host | 10:20 |
| rpodolyaka | apparently we print this error because migration_get_in_progress_by_host_and_node() thinks that migration is still in progress | 10:21 |
| rpodolyaka | but in fact it's in "finished" state | 10:21 |
| rpodolyaka | waiting for "resize-confirm" | 10:21 |
| rpodolyaka | so now I'm trying to understand whether it's a mistake a "finished" was deliberately not added to this filter here | 10:22 |
| rpodolyaka | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L4741-L4744 | 10:22 |
| tdurakov | rpodolyaka: ah, good catch! | 10:22 |
| rpodolyaka | and we consider migrations in this state to be in progress | 10:22 |
| tdurakov | rpodolyaka: I'll prepare patch today for that | 10:23 |
| rpodolyaka | tdurakov: ack, thanks! | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Modify 'disable_libvirt_livesnapshot' https://review.openstack.org/378710 | 10:28 |
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| kashyap | sfinucan: I think you just missed my comment before updating :-) | 10:33 |
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| sfinucan | kashyap: So I did | 10:35 |
| sfinucan | and I also called it 'use_live_snapshot', because that seemed consistent with other boolean conf options | 10:36 |
| sfinucan | (based on quick grep for 'enable', 'enable_' and 'use_') | 10:36 |
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| kashyap | sfinucan: Okay, I noticed use_usb_tablet, use_virtio_for_bridges | 10:37 |
| kashyap | That's fine. Although would have been nice to have them all be "concept" == enable |disable. | 10:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Attempt to resolve TODOs in scheduler.py https://review.openstack.org/374647 | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Group scheduler options https://review.openstack.org/349959 | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Deprecate 'scheduler_json_file_location' https://review.openstack.org/374121 | 11:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add swap volume notifications (start, end) https://review.openstack.org/250283 | 12:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add swap volume notifications (start, end) https://review.openstack.org/250283 | 12:13 |
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| mdbooth | kashyap: Just reading the comments on line 5667 of this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366857/2/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py | 12:16 |
| mdbooth | pkoniszewski: I see you also commented on the above ^^^ | 12:16 |
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| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: yeah, why? | 12:17 |
| mdbooth | pkoniszewski: I'm assuming that you were referring to the documented behaviour of close-to-open cache consistency, right? | 12:17 |
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| mdbooth | I'm just concerned about this: | 12:17 |
| mdbooth | Putting a os.utime before makes the file appear immediately in ms (less than a second). | 12:17 |
| mdbooth | immediately != ms (less than a second) | 12:17 |
| mdbooth | immediately == immediately | 12:17 |
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| mdbooth | I find it weird that they didn't observe the documented behaviour in tests. | 12:18 |
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| mdbooth | It seems to me like a bug in this behaviour would be well known. | 12:18 |
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| mdbooth | The documented behaviour should allow no race window. | 12:19 |
| mdbooth | of ms or otherwise. | 12:19 |
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| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: in my understanding open() should work exactly the same way | 12:20 |
| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: somehow it didn't | 12:21 |
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| mdbooth | pkoniszewski: Right. I expected the same as you. | 12:21 |
| mdbooth | However, they didn't see that, which means that either nfs close-to-open is broken on Linux, or they weren't testing that. | 12:21 |
| * mdbooth has a theory | 12:23 | |
| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: do you have a minute? | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | peter-hamilton: possibly, whats up? | 12:23 |
| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: we're working on the cert validation spec for image signing | 12:24 |
| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: i'd like to discuss it at this week's meeting and am gathering core thoughts | 12:24 |
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| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: we've already got some feedback here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357151/ | 12:25 |
| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: i'd like to get your thoughs on it too, whenever you have time | 12:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Deprecate 'scheduler_json_file_location' https://review.openstack.org/374121 | 12:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: conf: Attempt to resolve TODOs in scheduler.py https://review.openstack.org/374647 | 12:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | peter-hamilton: lots connectivity for a sec there, not had a look at that spec recently | 12:28 |
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| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: gotcha. do you think you'll have a chance to look at it before thursday? i can answer any questions you may have. | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | peter-hamilton: unsure at this point, snowed under with reviews in all directions | 12:29 |
| peter-hamilton | johnthetubaguy: understood. if you do get around to it, i can chime in with any info you need. thanks for the spare minutes! | 12:30 |
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| danpb | mdbooth: i've just commentd on that review - NFS c-to-o is not relevant here, as we're not getting as far as opening the file | 12:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen (thorst) proposed openstack/nova-specs: PowerVM Initial Driver Work https://review.openstack.org/381772 | 12:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add swap volume notifications (error) https://review.openstack.org/328055 | 12:44 |
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| tojuvone | johnthetubaguy: Also pinged yesterday with review, but don't know if you are already covered with snow. | 12:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: Add CPUWeigher https://review.openstack.org/379525 | 12:55 |
| mdbooth | danpb: I was responding to pkoniszewski's suggestion that the exists() check be replaced with open() | 12:56 |
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| mriedem | BobBall: is xen project ci out to lunch? | 13:06 |
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| mriedem | mdbooth: +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378746/ now | 13:09 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Just saw that, thanks | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: Fix a typo in driver.py https://review.openstack.org/379333 | 13:11 |
| wznoinsk | anyones for SRIOV meeting? | 13:13 |
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| kashyap | mriedem: Cool. You asked a good question there! | 13:16 |
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| lbeliveau | wznoinsk: moshele didn't ping me about it ... I think it's holidays for him | 13:16 |
| sfinucan | wznoinsk: yeah, no sign of moshele. Do we want to run one anyway, lbeliveau? | 13:17 |
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| wznoinsk | I don't mind, with emphasis on yes, we should | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | k I'll chair | 13:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/nova: Document experimental pipeline in Nova CI https://review.openstack.org/381838 | 13:33 |
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| cmartin | mdbooth: Hey I was working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501808 and I had a few questions if you have some time | 13:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501808 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Enabling soft-deletes opens a DOS on compute hosts" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Chris Martin (cm876n) | 13:54 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: Sure, if I can remember :) | 13:55 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: lol yea the bug is a little older, I was just wondering more of a general question about how the quotas for the hypervisor are kept/checked. Since I am thinking that's probably the best place to start on implementing a fix | 13:56 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray paul-carlton2 eliqiao shaohe_feng pkoniszewski yuntongjin mdbooth kashyap kmartin claudiub tobasco andreas_s abhishekk mrhillsman raj_singh live migration subteam meeting in 5 minutes on #openstack-meeting-3 | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova: config options: improve libvirt imagecache https://review.openstack.org/378497 | 13:56 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: So, IIRC the major issue with this that I saw was that the bug seems to be by design. | 13:57 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: yea I know, which is why it's a hard problem to fix | 13:57 |
| mdbooth | So however you 'fix' it, you might be breaking somebody. | 13:57 |
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| mdbooth | I personally think it's reasonable, though, to not release quota until the resources are actually released. | 13:58 |
| mdbooth | But I think you'd have to go ask operators about that change. | 13:58 |
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| mdbooth | Resources are tracked by 'the scheduler' | 13:59 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: my thought to fix it was to make it not release quota until the resources are released, but have a conf that would allow the functionality to work like it does now so operators could have the functionality as it is now if they need it | 13:59 |
| mdbooth | I'm not completely on top of what that means currently, though, as I think it's in flux. cdent might know, though. | 13:59 |
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| cdent | hello, yes, what? | 14:00 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: i just updated the agenda | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: Yeah, I guess that would work. | 14:00 |
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| mdbooth | cmartin: I don't know how tricky that code path will be, though. Maintaining 2 might be a pita. | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | cdent: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501808 | 14:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501808 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Enabling soft-deletes opens a DOS on compute hosts" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Chris Martin (cm876n) | 14:01 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: yea ideas are one thing, making it happen is another lol | 14:01 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: The Gerrit service on review.openstack.org is being restarted to address performance degradation and should return momentarily | 14:01 | |
| * cdent looks | 14:01 | |
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| mdbooth | cdent: Would that come under your recent purview? | 14:01 |
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| cdent | for the time being the resource tracker will still be the place where resources are claimed and released, so that those resources will (eventually) be fully modeled elsewhere doesn't have much impact | 14:03 |
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| cdent | mdbooth, cmartin: it makes sense to me that quota release should come after resource release, but that is based on generic logic, not real world use cases and whatever precedents they have set | 14:05 |
| mdbooth | cdent: You scared him off. | 14:06 |
| cdent | perhaps I need to take a shower | 14:06 |
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| mdbooth | <cdent> mdbooth, cmartin: it makes sense to me that quota release should come after resource release, but that is based on generic logic, not real world use cases and whatever precedents they have set | 14:07 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: sorry my IRC crashed | 14:07 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: What cdent said ^^^ | 14:07 |
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| cmartin | mdbooth: I agree with what he said for sure, so if I could actually implement the quota release after resource release with a conf to change the functionality back to quota release before resource release that seems to solve everything? | 14:09 |
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| cmartin | cdent: sorry meant to tag you in the previous message as well | 14:10 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: For a first pass, maybe don't include the conf option and jfdi? | 14:10 |
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| cmartin | mdbooth: sorry jfdi? | 14:11 |
| mdbooth | Then add a conf option if somebody decides we really need one | 14:11 |
| cdent | yeah, that sounds like a good first pass | 14:11 |
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| mdbooth | cmartin: google it :) | 14:11 |
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| cmartin | cdent, mdbooth: oh ok haha, and alright this gives me good direction for how to do a first pass thanks | 14:12 |
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| mdbooth | cmartin: To the greatest extent possible, you should also ensure there's common code between the 2 paths. | 14:12 |
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| mdbooth | If you have to add a conf option later it should just be resurrecting the old code, so I doubt you'll lose anything. | 14:13 |
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| cmartin | mdbooth: so just to clarify, I am going to make the functionality that quota release comes after resource release the single code path/option, and if I need to, come back and implement the conf and 2nd code path to give the previous functionality (which will mainly be code that is existing anyway) | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: WIP Add schedule_and_build_instances conductor method https://review.openstack.org/367557 | 14:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: WIP Add schedule_and_build_instances RPC method https://review.openstack.org/379320 | 14:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: WIP Move instance creation to conductor https://review.openstack.org/319379 | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | cmartin: That's my guess :) If I'm wrong you get your money back. | 14:15 |
| cmartin | mdbooth: alright i'll make sure to hold on to my receipt ;) | 14:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: Add debug possibility for nova-manage command https://review.openstack.org/332158 | 14:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add some extra logging around external event handling https://review.openstack.org/381888 | 14:27 |
| dansmith | alaski: mriedem_meeting: trivial extra logging patch ^ | 14:28 |
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| tojuvone | dansmith: Would you have time to look the maintenance thingy: https://review.openstack.org/310510 | 14:37 |
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| dansmith | tojuvone: I'm working on specs this week so ... possible | 14:40 |
| tojuvone | dansmith: Thanks :) | 14:40 |
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| kashyap | paul-carlton2: Was away at the post office, guess I was too late. Thx for the notif. | 14:47 |
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| peter-hamilton | danpb: are you available to chat for a minute on image signing? | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sujitha proposed openstack/nova: Improve help text for upgrade_levels options https://review.openstack.org/329154 | 14:58 |
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| edleafe | vim folding | 15:05 |
| edleafe | dammmit | 15:05 |
| edleafe | Never can remember those commands | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova-specs: WIP: Strict isolation of group of hosts for image and flavor https://review.openstack.org/381912 | 15:09 |
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| mriedem | \o/ | 15:19 |
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| _gryf | edleafe, it's easy, all folding commands starts with 'z' which shape kind of resemble folding paper sheet from the side | 15:24 |
| edleafe | _gryf: I remember the 'z'; it's the lower/upper differences that I never keep straight for the actions | 15:25 |
| edleafe | _gryf: 'zR' is what I was looking for | 15:25 |
| _gryf | edleafe, hm. I only remember commands started from lower 'z' | 15:25 |
| _gryf | I constantly use zR and zM. also zo and zc (for opening/closing) are handy | 15:27 |
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| mriedem | cburgess: have you had a chance to review this spec for specifying a volume type when doing boot from volume? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362698/ | 15:37 |
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| mriedem | gibi_: off the top of your head do you know if we pass server bdms in any notifications? | 15:58 |
| mriedem | like the bdms attached to a given server once it's created? | 15:58 |
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| mriedem | gibi_: doesn't look like bdms are passed along | 16:10 |
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| mriedem | ftersin: good question on that spec, i didn't think about image meta from bdm snapshots | 16:22 |
| mriedem | ftersin: i just dumped a bunch of comments in there | 16:22 |
| mriedem | dansmith: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362698/ when you get a chance, it's the volume-type spec | 16:22 |
| dansmith | mriedem: sorry my browser crashed trying to load your comments | 16:23 |
| dansmith | ENOMEM | 16:23 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: I think we are not passing bdms to notifications | 16:23 |
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| gibi_ | there is only volume.usage notification but that passes some stats and instance.volume_attach that passes just the volume id | 16:26 |
| mriedem | gibi_: yeah we aren't | 16:26 |
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| mriedem | i think the volume.usage one is a xen only notification too | 16:27 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: yeah it gets quite a bit more complicated the more i thought about it, than just plumbing things down to the compute | 16:27 |
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| dansmith | wonderful | 16:27 |
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| mriedem | well, just the whole mixed compute service version thing | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova-specs: Expose SR-IOV physical function's VLAN tag to guests https://review.openstack.org/381370 | 16:28 |
| mriedem | like get me a network, device tags and multiattach | 16:28 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: block_stats is implemented by libvirt driver only, based on that it is a libvirt specific notification | 16:28 |
| mriedem | at some point we should really just move the volume creation into the compute api | 16:28 |
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| mriedem | and pass the volume_id down to the compute to attach | 16:28 |
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| mriedem | s/compute api/conductor/ whatever | 16:29 |
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| mriedem | because failing to create the volume on the compute sucks, it's a NoValidHost and we don't yet reschedule on those | 16:29 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246505/ adds support to reschedule but i haven't looked at it in a long time | 16:31 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: failing to create the volume shouldn't be a reschedulable situation anyway right? | 16:39 |
| alaski | the main thing will be detangling failures specific to a host, so reschedule is useful, vs failures to create a volume which should not reschedule | 16:40 |
| dansmith | why would you expect one compute to fail and another to succeed? | 16:40 |
| dansmith | heh. yeah, that | 16:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pushkar Umaranikar proposed openstack/nova: Update rolling upgrade steps from upgrades documentation https://review.openstack.org/373549 | 16:44 |
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| alaski | dansmith: responded on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381275 . If that makes sense I'll update to clarify | 16:52 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith, edleafe: thx for your reviews on the PCI device resource providers patches. I'm fixing up the issues and splitting out the non-germane changes into a separate patch now. | 16:53 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: don't | 16:53 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I'm almost ready to push the split | 16:53 |
| edleafe | It was a lot more complicated than it first appeared | 16:53 |
| mriedem | alaski: dansmith: the bdm reschedule thing has more issues | 16:53 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: give me 15 minutes or so | 16:54 |
| mriedem | like the patch doesn't attempt to cleanup volumes it created before rescheduling | 16:54 |
| alaski | mriedem: I haven't looked at the patch so pardon my ignorance, but I wouldn't expect it to clean up volumes and recreate them from a new host | 16:55 |
| mriedem | alaski: i think you did look sometime in the last year | 16:55 |
| mriedem | but you might be right | 16:55 |
| mriedem | alaski: however, | 16:56 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: oh, ok.. | 16:56 |
| alaski | mriedem: well, my memory is crap :) | 16:56 |
| mriedem | alaski: it's not going to re-use those volumes on the 2nd host it tries | 16:56 |
| mriedem | as far as i can tell anyway | 16:56 |
| alaski | yeah, that's a problem | 16:56 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I thought you'd see my last comment on that patch | 16:56 |
| mriedem | alaski: it would be optimal if it would reuse the volumes... | 16:56 |
| mriedem | but then we get into wierd az issues possibly | 16:57 |
| mriedem | weird | 16:57 |
| mriedem | anyway, more reason to move creating volumes into the api or conductor :) | 16:57 |
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| mriedem | like creating ports | 16:57 |
| alaski | mriedem: yep | 16:57 |
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| mriedem | and now it's ham sandwich time! | 16:57 |
| alaski | I'm leaning towards conductor at this point | 16:57 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I did see it. | 16:58 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: partly why I just wrote what I did above before I got deep in :) | 16:58 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: smart man | 16:58 |
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| dansmith | alaski: ruh-plied | 17:02 |
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| jlk | Hi, I'm chasing down a complaint from some of our users, in that when they are booting instances from snapshots, the consumption on the hypervisor filesystem appears to be 2x the size of the snapshot. A full copy in _base, and a full version of it as the converted to RAW file. | 17:05 |
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| jlk | Is there something we can do so that the _base file doesn't stick around and chew up disk space? | 17:05 |
| dansmith | jlk: I think that's a known thing.. I expect mdbooth knows the most about it | 17:06 |
| jlk | Yea, I'd welcome an existing bug on it too. | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | you can also force nova to not do a conversion to raw (though that may not be desirable for other reasons) | 17:10 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: is "just create the volume first" not an option for the volume_type thing? | 17:10 |
| dansmith | I've never really understood why create-a-volume is a thing you want in instance boot anyay | 17:11 |
| jlk | That's "force_raw_images" I think. | 17:11 |
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| alaski | dansmith: creating the volume first completely removes the need for the volume_type thing | 17:12 |
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| dansmith | alaski: exactly | 17:12 |
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| auggy | just a friendly reminder, nova bugs team meeting in ~45 minutes (1800 UTC) @ #openstack-meeting-4 | 17:13 |
| alaski | dansmith: I'm totally with you on that, I've never understood it either except that it may just be legacy from before the cinder split | 17:14 |
| dansmith | alaski: I shall unload said turd upon this spec | 17:14 |
| dansmith | oh I guess mriedem covered it in the alternatives thing | 17:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: placement: handle generic PCI devices in inventory https://review.openstack.org/374681 | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Use the ResourceProvider id instead of compute node. https://review.openstack.org/382000 | 17:22 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ^^ | 17:22 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: sweet, thanks! | 17:26 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: can you add me as a Co-authored-by, since I essentially wrote all of that? :) | 17:32 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ah, sure - forgot all about that | 17:33 |
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| jaypipes | thx ed | 17:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: placement: allocations for generic PCI devices https://review.openstack.org/375168 | 17:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Use the ResourceProvider id instead of compute node. https://review.openstack.org/382000 | 17:37 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: yes i already dropped that turd | 17:38 |
| mriedem | dansmith: chet had a decent reason in austin but apparently we never documented it | 17:38 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: done | 17:39 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: okay I don't remember that reasoning | 17:39 |
| dansmith | mriedem: but regardless, I feel like reasonable defaults through nova, or go to the source if you want all the features has to generally be our goal | 17:40 |
| cburgess | mriedem Do what now? | 17:40 |
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| mriedem | cburgess: providing volume type when creating a volume-backed server | 17:41 |
| cburgess | mriedem Yeah I need to write that spec. I suck | 17:41 |
| mriedem | cburgess: it's written | 17:41 |
| cburgess | mriedem ORLY | 17:41 |
| dansmith | cburgess: mriedem has been asking you to review it already :) | 17:41 |
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| mriedem | cburgess: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362698/ | 17:42 |
| dansmith | cburgess: too busy with your twitter wars I guess | 17:42 |
| mriedem | unrelated, anyone seen this? http://logs.openstack.org/82/380782/8/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/0e1bcf8/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2016-10-04_16_12_18_682 | 17:42 |
| cburgess | dansmith mriedem God I suck. OK I'll review it this week. Sorry | 17:42 |
| dansmith | cburgess: can you answer the immediate question though? | 17:43 |
| mriedem | don't be *too* hard on yourself | 17:43 |
| cburgess | dansmith What is the immediate question? | 17:43 |
| dansmith | cburgess: why it's imperative for us to support every possible cinder feature in our volume description on boot? volume_type in this instance | 17:43 |
| mriedem | yeah we needed the justified use case / scenario on why we should allow this in besides just because we can | 17:44 |
| cburgess | dansmith Well I can't answer why its important to support *all* features. I can describe why supporting volume_types is important. | 17:44 |
| mriedem | i had a note from austin about multiple create, but i don't think that works as people thought in this case | 17:44 |
| cburgess | Simply put if you want to use multiple cinder backends then you *must* specify a volume type at volume creation. Otherwise you *always* get the default type which is hard coded in the cinder config file. | 17:45 |
| dansmith | cburgess: well, this turns into all features eventually, but yeah, interested in volume_type in this case :) | 17:45 |
| dansmith | cburgess: unless you pre-create the volume yourself | 17:45 |
| cburgess | Yes you can pre-create, which is extra work and confusing. | 17:45 |
| dansmith | cburgess: same goes for networking, right? if you depend on nova for all your networking, then you get defaults | 17:46 |
| jlk | I actually find it more confusing that I could use both nova AND cinder to create the volume | 17:46 |
| dansmith | jlk: yeah | 17:46 |
| dansmith | jlk: and that behavior may differ on termination as a result | 17:46 |
| jlk | and get angered when the arguments don't line up | 17:46 |
| dansmith | which may be two years later | 17:46 |
| jlk | oh yeah, talk about a surprise | 17:46 |
| jlk | delete the instance, oops there goes all that data | 17:47 |
| dansmith | we have had several cases where we had to explain why delete/recreate of an instance may delete all data | 17:47 |
| cburgess | dansmith Not at all. We totally support asking for a specific network and number of nics in the boot call | 17:47 |
| dansmith | yep | 17:47 |
| mriedem | but we don't support the type of port to create | 17:47 |
| dansmith | cburgess: for some things we added, yeah, but for complicated stuff, we require you to pre-create the ports, and get-me-a-network was all about just sane defalts | 17:47 |
| mriedem | i'm thinking of sriov ports specifically | 17:47 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 17:47 |
| cburgess | So I agree that its limited but conceptual I think a volume-type is the same as network UUID. | 17:48 |
| cburgess | You want a NIC/Volume, where do you want me to place it? | 17:48 |
| dansmith | cburgess: if we were doing it today, I'd be arguing against doing that too | 17:48 |
| cburgess | Thats the basic functionality. | 17:48 |
| dansmith | cburgess: so just to be clear, the complication is merely talking to cinder before nova, right? meaning, having to do more than one call to spawn something? | 17:50 |
| dansmith | nothing else more obscure? | 17:50 |
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| auggy | nova bugs team meeting in ~10 minutes (1800 UTC) @ #openstack-meeting-4 | 17:52 |
| jlk | I'd argue against having nova be able to _create_ the volume for you at all | 17:52 |
| jlk | Nova can't create glance images for you | 17:52 |
| dansmith | jlk: well, it can via snapshot, but yeah, I agree | 17:52 |
| dansmith | it's a vestige of nova-volume I think, but I hate it | 17:52 |
| jlk | dansmith: not at boot time I should say | 17:52 |
| dansmith | jlk: fair, yeah | 17:52 |
| cburgess | dansmith Correct. You can't use the BFV work flow to "create the volume" you have to create the volume then use the BFV work flow with "boot from existing volume" | 17:53 |
| dansmith | jlk: so it's actually a problem, because some backends are slow and we can time out the whole build because it takes a long time | 17:53 |
| cburgess | Sorry about delay. On a conference call. | 17:53 |
| dansmith | jlk: we've had more than one serious bug with multi-create and with automatic volume creation, which doesn't work over a small number because the backend gets overwhelmed | 17:53 |
| jlk | agreed | 17:53 |
| dansmith | cburgess: ack | 17:53 |
| dansmith | mriedem: so, yeah, my vote is "thanks but no thanks" | 17:54 |
| cburgess | The reason I have brought this up a few times because we continually get this request from clients. | 17:54 |
| dansmith | cburgess: we could help out by removing volume creation on boot entirely :D | 17:54 |
| cburgess | Its easy to say that but most clients can barely understand using volumes to begin with. Asking them to make multiple calls is very confusing to them. | 17:54 |
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| jlk | push it into the client code | 17:55 |
| jlk | openstack client | 17:55 |
| jlk | horizon | 17:55 |
| dansmith | cburgess: that's what they pay you for right? :D | 17:55 |
| dansmith | jlk: aye, we could provide compatibility from novaclient/osc if we're after the microversion that removed them | 17:55 |
| cburgess | dansmith Well look I can go back to having my own custom fork of OpenStack but the usptream community is very against that and making it harder and harder to do that and we want to be good citizens so I would prefer not to go that route. | 17:55 |
| cburgess | So right now we don't support this and we tell them create the volume first. | 17:56 |
| cburgess | But we get constant feedback on that being sub-optimal and confusing. | 17:56 |
| mriedem | apparently smcginnis has heard that same complaint | 17:56 |
| mriedem | having written some simple tests for bfv in tempest, i'm not sure why it's so confusing to people | 17:56 |
| mriedem | 1. create volume | 17:56 |
| mriedem | 2. create server with volume in bdm args | 17:57 |
| dansmith | I totally get that everyone wants to deploy one service and only ever have nova do anything for them, including nagios functions | 17:57 |
| cburgess | dansmith Hey now... I'm not saying that. | 17:57 |
| dansmith | cburgess: I mean the users want one api for everything | 17:57 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Many times... | 17:57 |
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| cburgess | mriedem You have to understand that a large number of users inside enterprises are barely literate with computes. So all of this is confusing. | 17:58 |
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| mriedem | heh | 17:58 |
| auggy | per suggestion from jlk, could this potentially be an openstack client workflow? | 17:58 |
| cburgess | dansmith Not arguing for one API for everything. Just trying to focus on basic workflow functionality. | 17:58 |
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| dansmith | cburgess: for basic workflow, you get defaults, which we do today :) | 17:58 |
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| cburgess | dansmith Inconsitantly. As I said I view volume type to be analogous to network ID. | 17:59 |
| mriedem | cburgess: smcginnis: any idea if this has come up with the product work group? | 17:59 |
| cburgess | I don't know what that is. | 17:59 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Not that I'm aware of. | 17:59 |
| mriedem | it's a group that works on product | 18:00 |
| mriedem | it's enterprise carrier grade project managers | 18:00 |
| dansmith | cburgess: so we add this volume type, and the network people say "cool, we have wanted port type for a while, please proxy that too" | 18:00 |
| cburgess | So... honestly can I ask what they do? What has nova gotten from them and taken action on? | 18:00 |
| dansmith | cburgess: lolol | 18:01 |
| mriedem | cburgess: i don't think anything | 18:01 |
| cburgess | I'm fine talking to different groups but if they don't actually have input/agency and communicate with nova then it feels like a waste. | 18:01 |
| mriedem | i only bring it up because with get me a network there was actual pressure from the foundatoin | 18:01 |
| mriedem | *foundation | 18:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maciej Szankin proposed openstack/nova: config options: improve libvirt imagecache https://review.openstack.org/378497 | 18:01 |
| mriedem | like, i had foundation people checking in with me on progress every few months | 18:01 |
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| cburgess | mriedem Well so get_me_a_network is a bit different and I can see why everyone was concerned about it. | 18:03 |
| dansmith | that was about making sane simple defaults possible | 18:03 |
| dansmith | which is currently available on the volumes, but wasn't so much on the network | 18:03 |
| cburgess | So...... am I lossing this one? | 18:03 |
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| cburgess | Or shall we discuss further during fishbowl on Friday in Barcelona? | 18:04 |
| mriedem | idk, i felt like there was general agreement in austin on this, | 18:04 |
| mriedem | now we're looking at it again in detail and raising the same questions as usual | 18:04 |
| cburgess | I feel that way too | 18:04 |
| cburgess | Then I whiffed and didn't get the spec up | 18:05 |
| cburgess | But looks like someone else has. | 18:05 |
| mriedem | but 'the developers coding to the apis are not great' isn't an awesome justification for me | 18:05 |
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| cburgess | Oh no its not the developers. | 18:05 |
| cburgess | Its the end users | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Improve _is_booted_from_volume implementation https://review.openstack.org/382024 | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Remove unused disk_info parameter https://review.openstack.org/382025 | 18:05 |
| cburgess | The people who are trying to understand how to create the correct VM for what they want in horizon. | 18:05 |
| cburgess | Thats where all the confusion comes in. | 18:05 |
| mriedem | so this is like jim in accounting creating a vm? | 18:05 |
| dansmith | cburgess: this could all be hidden in horizon really easily | 18:06 |
| cburgess | developers are a different level of user. | 18:06 |
| dansmith | cburgess: I mean seriously :) | 18:06 |
| alaski | yeah, I don't think end users should be interacting with Nova | 18:06 |
| dansmith | if we're seriously talking about horizon users I'm like -3 :) | 18:06 |
| cburgess | dansmith Except horizon lacks a good framework for multiple actions like this | 18:06 |
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| cburgess | alaski Wait what? Then how the heck are they getting VMs? | 18:06 |
| dansmith | cburgess: okay but that's a terrible reason to proxy a thing, because nova has demonstrated that it is terrible at it :) | 18:06 |
| alaski | cburgess: horizon, openstackclient, novaclient, etc... | 18:06 |
| mriedem | cburgess: i assume alaski means end users should use osc or horizon | 18:07 |
| cdent | the idea of creating a porcelain for openstack rears its head in times like this | 18:07 |
| cburgess | dansmith Nova is actually pretty darn good at it in my opinion. | 18:07 |
| cburgess | mriedem alaski Oh ok I get it now. Sorry it was confusing. | 18:07 |
| alaski | cburgess: yeah, my bad | 18:07 |
| dansmith | cburgess: dude, like half our bugs are failing to orchestrate stateful interactions between it and (glance, cinder, neutron) :P | 18:07 |
| cburgess | Also I would add that *most* developers are ok. Some of the silly Visual Basic . NET ones get confused easily about everything. | 18:07 |
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| alaski | cdent: yep. I really need to find time for that | 18:08 |
| cburgess | dansmith Let me re-state, I trust nova more? | 18:08 |
| mriedem | cdent: enamel? | 18:08 |
| dansmith | cburgess: so if you want to write a spec to make novaclient emulate this feature, and support types as a part of that, I'd be cool with it | 18:08 |
| alaski | mriedem: yeah | 18:08 |
| cdent | mriedem: yeah, but enamel has stalled | 18:08 |
| cdent | I think the concept is sound, but it isn't clear that the implementation described by enamel is the righ tone | 18:08 |
| mriedem | i'd think this would live in osc, not novaclient, fwiw | 18:09 |
| dansmith | mriedem: either one | 18:09 |
| cburgess | dansmith mriedem So I would prefer nova did it just like the network ID, But if I can't get that... then 2nd best would be the nova client and OSC so at least horizon and end users with the CLI could hook into that. | 18:09 |
| mriedem | i think we're supposed to be feature freezing the novaclient cli | 18:09 |
| mriedem | but are doing a bad job of it | 18:09 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I have no voting rights in osc, hence I could support it more in novaclient :) | 18:09 |
| mriedem | b/c we <3 novaclient | 18:09 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I mean emulate in novaclient shell, not the python api | 18:09 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah, nova cli is supposed to be more or less feature frozen | 18:10 |
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| cburgess | My goal is to be able to tell end users a single command to use in the CLI or a single "action workflow" in horizon to use. | 18:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, whatever | 18:10 |
| mriedem | cburgess: then i think we're saying osc/horizon are the paths forward | 18:10 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:10 |
| mriedem | hell, tempestlib can do this | 18:10 |
| cburgess | Because right now I show them a document about first creating the volume and they immediatly respond with variations of "Thats stupid, I can't understand that" | 18:10 |
| mriedem | s/can/does/ | 18:10 |
| dansmith | my effing cat can do this | 18:11 |
| mriedem | mr jinx?! | 18:11 |
| cburgess | dansmith Your cat is smarter then most end users then. | 18:11 |
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| dansmith | cburgess: no argument | 18:11 |
| jlk | heh | 18:11 |
| cburgess | and my day is spent dealing with end users | 18:11 |
| cburgess | I wish I could deal with only developers. | 18:11 |
| cburgess | That would be great | 18:11 |
| dansmith | cburgess: I recommend cats | 18:11 |
| cburgess | But thats not who uses openstack. | 18:11 |
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| jlk | easier to hurd | 18:11 |
| jlk | herd | 18:11 |
| cburgess | Or well developers aren't the only users. | 18:11 |
| jlk | We simply charge customers who can't cloud for themselves. | 18:12 |
| dansmith | jlk: ikr, I don't see the problem :P | 18:12 |
| jlk | we'll happily do it for you, for this monthly fee | 18:12 |
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| cdent | maybe openstack is scam to make it so clouds need engineers to run. it's a big boondoggle to ensure employment | 18:12 |
| cdent | it _could_ be super easy, but that would be bad for business | 18:13 |
| mriedem | cdent: well you've seen the list of config options right? | 18:13 |
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| cburgess | mriedem dansmith So... we are killing this then? | 18:13 |
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| cdent | I tried to see them but I wasn't able to get them all in before my eyes fell out | 18:13 |
| mriedem | cburgess: if osc/horizon works for you, then i'd be happy with not pursuing this | 18:13 |
| jlk | Well, clearly http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/_images/openstack-arch-kilo-logical-v1.png is super simple to manage. | 18:14 |
| cburgess | mriedem I can try.. but often times the response from client teams is... "Once its in the <insert service name here> API will do it" | 18:14 |
| jlk | Yeah I bet clients don't want to create workflow clientside | 18:14 |
| mriedem | jlk: you can cut 6 services out of that | 18:15 |
| cburgess | Oh look here is my etherpad from Austin... https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bfv-volume-type | 18:15 |
| jlk | yeah, this is the kilo version. It needs updating for Newton | 18:15 |
| cburgess | Don't know if my problem statement/justification section helps convincne dansmith the other way. | 18:15 |
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| mriedem | cburgess: not really, i already referred to that in the spec review, | 18:16 |
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| mriedem | cburgess: whatever/however you sold us on this in austin isn't in there | 18:16 |
| cburgess | *sad trombone* | 18:16 |
| mriedem | i think i might have just been high on donuts | 18:16 |
| cburgess | mriedem I think it was the donuts. | 18:16 |
| cburgess | lol | 18:16 |
| dansmith | cburgess: I've already looked it over, so, no | 18:16 |
| mriedem | "he brought donus, give him what he wants" | 18:16 |
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| cburgess | Note that the donuts was just because I wanted to donuts and they are good and I wanted to share with my friends. | 18:17 |
| cburgess | The approval was a bonus. | 18:17 |
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| mriedem | yes and i appreciated them | 18:17 |
| dansmith | cburgess: I had to leave early on friday so I must have missed this convo | 18:17 |
| dansmith | I had smartly booked an early flight out of that hell hole | 18:17 |
| cburgess | dansmith Probably... happened after lunch as I recall. | 18:17 |
| mriedem | dan had to prep about 8 hours early for his flight | 18:18 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:18 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, I was super excited to leave | 18:18 |
| cburgess | dansmith Something about your anniversary as I recall. | 18:18 |
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| dansmith | cburgess: oh right! | 18:18 |
| jlk | I'm kind of sad I missed the midcycle. | 18:18 |
| cburgess | dansmith It was a valid reason. | 18:18 |
| cburgess | mriedem So... can you sum up the nova core opinions on the review of how/why OCS/Horizon should do this so I can at least show them I tried with nova and here are their views on the matter? | 18:19 |
| mriedem | jlk: we're talking about austin summit but... | 18:19 |
| mriedem | cburgess: sure | 18:20 |
| jlk | oh right, I was there | 18:20 |
| jlk | but I may have blown off the last day | 18:20 |
| jlk | I'll make it to Barcelona for more Nomageddon | 18:20 |
| auggy | NOMaggeddon? | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Change condition of root disk snapshot handling https://review.openstack.org/382030 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Remove backward compatibility checks for disk snapshots https://review.openstack.org/382031 | 18:22 |
| auggy | mmm tapas | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Fix wrong call of _is_booted_from_volume https://review.openstack.org/334609 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Delete duplicate check when live-migrating https://review.openstack.org/337056 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Simplify internal usage of get_instance_disk_info https://review.openstack.org/334901 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Improve _is_booted_from_volume implementation https://review.openstack.org/382024 | 18:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Feodor Tersin proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Remove unused disk_info parameter https://review.openstack.org/382025 | 18:24 |
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| jlk | auggy: yeah, saying No to everything. | 18:25 |
| auggy | ahaaaa | 18:26 |
| jlk | auggy: I feel that as an operator, that's what I bring to the table. | 18:26 |
| auggy | jlk: well it is the "No Va" team | 18:26 |
| jlk | hah | 18:26 |
| auggy | haha see what i did there, now my puns are in espanish too | 18:26 |
| jlk | muy bien | 18:26 |
| auggy | grathias | 18:26 |
| auggy | (practicing for barthelona) | 18:26 |
| * cdent will take his climbing shoes | 18:28 | |
| jlk | oh the llithp | 18:29 |
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| dansmith | like always, I will have a 100% off sale on NOs for the week of the summit | 18:31 |
| dansmith | please see me if you're interested | 18:31 |
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| jlk | auggy: my spanish professor in college was very proud of his (fake) Catalonian accent. Drove me nuts to hear the lithp. | 18:37 |
| auggy | so i've been brushing up on my spanish and i go this cd with spain specific spanish, and it cracked me up for the first couple weeks | 18:38 |
| auggy | although now i'm like you know.. it makes sense linguistically | 18:39 |
| jlk | I'm going in American, and not even going to try. My wife's spanish is so much better than mine, so she'll do the talking for us (per usual) | 18:39 |
| auggy | haha | 18:39 |
| dansmith | jlk: my wife took four years of spanish and remembers almost none of it.. I "took" two and remember more words, but never paid attention to the complex conjugation stuff | 18:40 |
| auggy | i studied it in school and grew up with my family speaking it but i am nowhere near fluent at all | 18:40 |
| dansmith | jlk: I remember how to ask for the bathroom, and I plan to do a bunch of "moo?" "oink?" "cluck cluck?" type communication | 18:40 |
| auggy | hhahaah | 18:40 |
| auggy | i just hope i don't start trying to mix it up with german | 18:40 |
| auggy | since i've been studying german the past few years since i married my german husband | 18:41 |
| dansmith | I'm pretty sure "yuuuge" is universally understood across the globe now | 18:41 |
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| david-lyle | cburgess, summary is multiple implementations in stateless clients is more stable? | 18:44 |
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| dansmith | david-lyle: summary is: if you want nova to do it for you, you get sane defaults already | 18:48 |
| dansmith | david-lyle: _if_ something is going to support a composite operation that supports all features of cinder, and all features of nova, that should be "the human" or "some complex client aiming to unify the process between two complex systems" | 18:49 |
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| david-lyle | dansmith, it still seems there should be one source for that, whether nova or not | 18:50 |
| david-lyle | which you imply in the second part | 18:51 |
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| dansmith | david-lyle: to be honest, I think it's too composite for a command-line client.. seems to fit well for horizon to me, but.. yeah | 18:51 |
| dansmith | david-lyle: if such a thing is out of scope for horizon too, then I guess that thing is enamel, or something else that sits at that layer | 18:51 |
| dansmith | er, that was ambiguous | 18:52 |
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| dansmith | replace my first "thing" with "feature" :P | 18:52 |
| david-lyle | dansmith, enamel is more appropriate than horizon | 18:52 |
| dansmith | david-lyle: okay then :) | 18:52 |
| david-lyle | just due to horizon arch limitations | 18:53 |
| dansmith | david-lyle: nova has "no more proxying" as part of its official designation of "out of scope things" | 18:53 |
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| david-lyle | dansmith, that makes sense too, but there are very few things we can depend on being in an OpenStack deployment | 18:54 |
| ruoyu | Hello everyone, my OpenStack controller node is using too much memory (more than 90%). When I run 'top' command, I found there are many nova-api processes running on my node that consume a lot of memory. Could anyone tell me how to fix that? Thank you so much! | 18:54 |
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| dansmith | ruoyu: see topic | 18:54 |
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| * jlk reads about enamel and immediately thinks about places that will just plop enamel in place for exposure, and replace everything behind it with non-openstack. | 18:56 | |
| jlk | ruoyu: join us over in #openstack-operators we'll be happy to answer your question there. | 18:57 |
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| cburgess | david-lyle So it would seem | 18:57 |
| ruoyu | jlk: Thanks! | 18:58 |
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| alaski | jlk: enamel wouldn't mean that the nova api and others wouldn't be available, just that they wouldn't need to do complex orchestration | 18:59 |
| jlk | alaski: I know the intent, I'm just doom and glooming the eventual appropriation. | 19:00 |
| cdent | is there an #openstack-dook-gloom? | 19:01 |
| cdent | doom | 19:01 |
| jlk | Maybe #openstack-bad-attitude | 19:03 |
| alaski | is that not the channel I'm in? | 19:05 |
| alaski | :) | 19:05 |
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| jlk | the gloom can extend beyond Nova :) | 19:06 |
| cdent | alaski: no this is #openstack-no | 19:06 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: were you going to ack this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378718/ | 19:14 |
| dansmith | mriedem: alaski is afraid of losing stats to you | 19:14 |
| dansmith | mriedem: was just talking to ops about it and realized it was still waiting | 19:15 |
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| alaski | heh, he always finds something | 19:15 |
| * mriedem looks at the clock | 19:16 | |
| mriedem | have to leave soon for a concert in st paul tonight | 19:16 |
| mriedem | and on a call | 19:16 |
| mriedem | melwitt: should look at it | 19:16 |
| mriedem | also fixing e-r | 19:17 |
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| dansmith | gdi jlk | 19:23 |
| jlk | :D | 19:23 |
| jlk | Don't worry, I'm quick with the +1s too! | 19:23 |
| dansmith | oh, I had missed that from mriedem anyway | 19:24 |
| mriedem | heh, he -1'ed for my thing | 19:24 |
| jlk | I'm going to be upping my review work since my role will be changing a bit and I'll have more time for paying attention upstream. | 19:24 |
| mriedem | i was pulling a laski | 19:24 |
| mriedem | and not voting on it | 19:24 |
| mriedem | jlk: sweet. now go review all specs. | 19:24 |
| mriedem | thanks | 19:24 |
| mriedem | now if you'll excuse me, i have a megadeth concert to get to | 19:24 |
| jlk | mriedem: yeah fair, I should go read some of those | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Allow running db archiving continuously https://review.openstack.org/378718 | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: placement: handle generic PCI devices in inventory https://review.openstack.org/374681 | 19:25 |
| dansmith | alaski: mriedem jlk ^ | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: placement: allocations for generic PCI devices https://review.openstack.org/375168 | 19:25 |
| jlk | pedantry managed! | 19:26 |
| dansmith | I will probably regret this, but... melwitt ^ | 19:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | STEW TY proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.resume notifications https://review.openstack.org/375784 | 19:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Replace requests mocking with requests-mock https://review.openstack.org/381498 | 19:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova-specs: PCI NUMA Policies https://review.openstack.org/361140 | 19:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Replace requests mocking with requests-mock https://review.openstack.org/381498 | 19:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposal for cells v2 scheduling interaction https://review.openstack.org/381275 | 20:12 |
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| jlk | oooh, cellsv2 scheduling | 20:14 |
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| alaski | yeah. doing what we can to avoid the drawbacks of coarse grained reporting up to a top level scheduler | 20:17 |
| jlk | I just want to dig in and read what the thoughts are. | 20:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Move get_instance() calls from try-except block https://review.openstack.org/382060 | 20:31 |
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| bauzas | alaski: oooh, just saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381275/2/specs/ocata/approved/cells-scheduling-interaction.rst , will bite it in the next morning | 20:34 |
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| alaski | bauzas: cool | 20:39 |
| bauzas | alaski: I briefly overlooked the spec, some tl;dr you should comment about what changed ? | 20:40 |
| * bauzas is a bit lazy tonight | 20:40 | |
| alaski | where did we end up on placement config being split out? I'm looking at adding real policy checks there and want to follow precedent. | 20:40 |
| bauzas | (also listening at the TC meeting ) | 20:40 |
| alaski | bauzas: added more text about the new conductor method #48-66 and then some text in alternatives | 20:41 |
| bauzas | okay | 20:41 |
| alaski | okay, looks like we put placement configs in nova.conf | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/nova: Fix quota calculation for instances in server_group https://review.openstack.org/371592 | 20:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Glaser proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.unpause notifications https://review.openstack.org/380668 | 20:59 |
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| cdent | alaski: yeah, that's where it has ended up for the time being | 21:04 |
| cdent | alaski: but one caveat on that is that the placement service itself only uses a small number of config items, and those items are pre-existing nova settings: auth_strategy, and database connection strings | 21:06 |
| alaski | cdent: okay. I just need to add an old fashioned policy check since placement doesn't use the Nova ReqeustContext class with the can() method and then I think we'll have the start of a policy framework here | 21:06 |
| alaski | cdent: fair point | 21:06 |
| cdent | cool, I started this today: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-api-policy-authz | 21:07 |
| alaski | well, what we can do here is just add the policy registration in placement code and not allow a conf override | 21:07 |
| alaski | and worry about that bit later | 21:07 |
| cdent | and in there suggested that maybe we should have reasonable defaults and not let them be changed :) | 21:07 |
| oomichi | cdent: hi, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367358 ? That seems a little againt api-wg guideline, | 21:08 |
| alaski | cdent: sounds good | 21:08 |
| * cdent looks | 21:09 | |
| cdent | alaski: you want to effectively own this aspect of things? do it together? lay it off me? give it to someone else? | 21:09 |
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| alaski | cdent: I'd like to collaborate on anything regarding deciding what to check and where, but as far as getting the bits in place I'm happy to own that | 21:10 |
| cdent | ✔ | 21:11 |
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| cdent | oomichi: I'm not sure I fully understand the api there. Is the the flow: I want to attach, but the device is already attached (maybe to me, maybe to something else), so error happens? | 21:17 |
| cdent | Is that's the case, then 409 seems right | 21:18 |
| oomichi | cdent: yeah, according to the report, we can reproduce 500 error when attaching the same volume twice. | 21:19 |
| cdent | okay, i'll leave a comment, thanks | 21:19 |
| dansmith | 500 is perfect | 21:19 |
| oomichi | cdent: thanks | 21:19 |
| dansmith | "500 Server error, caused by you, duh" | 21:19 |
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| cdent | joy, gerrit gone manky again | 21:19 |
| oomichi | dansmith: heh :-) I prefer all error should be 400 for consistent error | 21:20 |
| cdent | "500 server server, cuz dan said so" | 21:20 |
| dansmith | oomichi: heh | 21:20 |
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| edleafe | alaski: left a few questions on that spec | 21:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sarafraj Singh proposed openstack/nova: Remove deprecated compute_available_monitors option https://review.openstack.org/371062 | 21:33 |
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| diana-test | interesting query... "WHERE migrations.deleted = 0 AND migrations.status IN ('e', 'r', 'r', 'o', 'r')" | 21:40 |
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| edleafe | diana-test: heh, I've made that mistake before! | 21:41 |
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| diana-test | edleafe: that's stable/mitaka so it might be fixed already | 21:42 |
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| diana-test | (devstack) | 21:42 |
| edleafe | diana-test: someone forgot some parentheses | 21:43 |
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| diana-test | hmm... actually, perhaps not fixed: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/ceaf853894352b6d0ae12efe85ba5eb4e651e58a/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L4772 | 21:50 |
| diana-test | Or maybe this was that bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1581382 Dunno, I'll dig more later. | 21:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581382 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova migration-list --status returns no results" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Matthew Booth (mbooth-9) | 21:54 |
| edleafe | diana-test: how did you reproduce that error? | 21:54 |
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| diana-test | edleafe: dunno... it was just in my devstack query logs and caught my eye | 21:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack/nova: Do not review - CI testing https://review.openstack.org/382085 | 22:00 |
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| mikal | Morning | 22:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Pushkar Umaranikar proposed openstack/nova: Delete ports created during port create timeout https://review.openstack.org/347183 | 22:28 |
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| ryan_____ | Hey OpenStackers! When I do 'nova quota-show', I see 3 fields. 'Quota', 'Limit', and 'In Use'. I am writing an app that essentially needs to get these 3 fields from some cluster. So in the python code in the app, I am currently using the 'quotas.get' api in the nova client documented here -> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-novaclient/ref/v2/quotas.html however that api is only returning 'Quota' and 'Limit', but i | 22:35 |
| ryan_____ | Is there some API that I can call to get that 'In Use' part of 'nova quota-show'? | 22:35 |
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| jlk | well, the client itself is likely calling something. Have you traced through what the client calls in order to display that to you? | 23:12 |
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| jlk | Hi all. We may need to make a drastic change, to stop Nova from converting QCOW2 images to RAW, by tweaking force_raw_images = False. But I'd like to know the impact of doing that | 23:14 |
| jlk | basically we're trying to work around an issue where booting instances from a snapshot image appear to be taking up 2x the on-disk space on the hypervisor. | 23:15 |
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| clarkb | jlk: the infra team did it recently for infracloud and at least for our workload we didn't notice any issues with qcow2, hwoever we have unsafe libvirt writeback behavior because thy aer all test VMs or ephemeral caches. Also I think we had to tweak virt_image_type or maybe it was libvirt_image_type | 23:17 |
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| ryan_____ | jlk: yea I looked and the client is just doing a rest call.. | 23:20 |
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| jlk | ryan_____: a rest call to which APIs? | 23:25 |
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| auggy | ryan_____: just wondering, why are you developing your app against the python client instead of the nova api? | 23:31 |
| auggy | or maybe i misunderstood your question | 23:32 |
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| auggy | ryan_____: see "os-quota-sets" http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html | 23:34 |
| auggy | oh here we go, anchors work now | 23:34 |
| auggy | ryan_____: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#os-quota-sets-v2.1 | 23:34 |
| auggy | ryan_____: this call should return the "in use" field: /v2.1/{admin_tenant_id}/os-quota-sets/{tenant_id}/detail | 23:36 |
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| jlk | Does anybody know what Nova uses to determine if a base image is "unused" ? | 23:41 |
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| jlk | (for the sake of removing it) | 23:41 |
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| jlk | Like, if you boot something via a qcow image that Nova converts to RAW, then is the image it downloaded into _base then unused? | 23:42 |
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| auggy | jlk: i have no idea if this is useful, but i found this article kashyap wrote - https://kashyapc.com/2013/03/11/openstack-nova-image-create-under-the-hood/ | 23:53 |
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| auggy | ok that article is pretty old | 23:55 |
| auggy | sorry... :/ | 23:55 |
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| stewie925 | hi, I am trying to run 'tox -e functional' test on a particular file, but I keep getting "The test run didn't actually run any tests" | 23:56 |
| stewie925 | my devstack is up and running though | 23:57 |
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