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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: policy: Add defaults in code (part 5) https://review.openstack.org/329979 | 00:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: policy: Add defaults in code (part 2) https://review.openstack.org/329978 | 00:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: policy: Add defaults in code (part 4) https://review.openstack.org/329227 | 00:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: policy: Add defaults in code (part 3) https://review.openstack.org/328851 | 00:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add pagination and Changes-since filter support for os-migrations. https://review.openstack.org/330406 | 01:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anh Tran proposed openstack/nova: Enables Py34 tests for unit.api.openstack.compute.test_server_actions https://review.openstack.org/329435 | 01:51 |
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| Qiming | anyone help point me to a link of nova mid-cycle meetup, if any? | 02:06 |
| Qiming | thanks | 02:06 |
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| tonyb | Qiming: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Future_sprints_for_Newton | 02:09 |
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| Qiming | tonyb, thank you! | 02:09 |
| tonyb | Qiming: np | 02:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Include exception in _try_deallocate_network error log https://review.openstack.org/330850 | 02:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: DO NOT MERGE - attach configdrive after instance XML test https://review.openstack.org/330134 | 02:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Bump the service version for get-me-a-network support https://review.openstack.org/318953 | 03:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: neutron: handle 'auto' network request in allocate_for_instance https://review.openstack.org/316275 | 03:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Add REST API support for get me a network https://review.openstack.org/316398 | 03:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jianghua Wang proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: OVS agent updates the wrong port with Neutron https://review.openstack.org/242846 | 03:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/nova: Restrict Metadata to Lower Case Keys https://review.openstack.org/329697 | 03:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Support neutron security group https://review.openstack.org/251271 | 04:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jianghua Wang proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: OVS agent updates the wrong port with Neutron https://review.openstack.org/242846 | 04:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/compute/test_compute.py (7) https://review.openstack.org/330898 | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add pagination and Changes-since filter support for os-migrations. https://review.openstack.org/330406 | 06:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Li Yingjun proposed openstack/nova: Implement hypervisor notifications https://review.openstack.org/315312 | 06:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Add new configuration option to turn auto converge on/off https://review.openstack.org/266001 | 06:37 |
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| gibi_ | xenogear: hi, I saw on the wiki that you indicated you will start delete_ip transformation. Yesterday I made a note on the wiki not to start new transformation until the current ones are close to merge to avoid reivew overload. | 07:01 |
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| gibi_ | xenogear: with the current amount of open transformation reviews and I feel we will not be able to merge all of them in the next two weeks, before the freeze | 07:01 |
| gibi_ | xenogear: so I just wanted to let you know that it is pretty possible that your work will not fit into the current cycle | 07:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: refactoring 1 before functional change https://review.openstack.org/323761 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: use "log" element in char devices https://review.openstack.org/323760 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: refactoring 3 before functional change https://review.openstack.org/323763 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: refactoring 2 before functional change https://review.openstack.org/323762 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: use the logd sub-element for char devices https://review.openstack.org/323765 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: refactoring 4 before functional change https://review.openstack.org/323764 | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtlogd: introduce domain xml element "log" https://review.openstack.org/323759 | 07:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | liuxiuli proposed openstack/nova: And reserved_huge_pages to memory_mb_used https://review.openstack.org/330928 | 07:32 |
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| bauwser | good morning Nova | 07:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/nova: Use is_valid_ipv4 from oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/326922 | 08:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | LisaLi proposed openstack/nova: Attach/detach encryptors during swap_volume https://review.openstack.org/252809 | 08:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | YaoZheng proposed openstack/nova: live migration check source failed caused bdm.device_path lost https://review.openstack.org/330944 | 08:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/compute/test_compute.py (8) https://review.openstack.org/330948 | 08:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova: Support FICON-attached ECKD volumes on System z https://review.openstack.org/320832 | 08:27 |
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| andreas_s_ | Hi, we have a nova patchset, that we can't get out of a merge conflict. Locally rebasing works fine but after pushing it, it suddenly is in merge conflict again | 08:43 |
| andreas_s_ | anybody an idea? | 08:43 |
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| andreas_s_ | https://review.openstack.org/320832 | 08:43 |
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| claudiub | you sure that you fetched master? | 08:43 |
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| andreas_s_ | claudiub, yep, we even did a fresh nova clone | 08:44 |
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| claudiub | andreas_s_: I think it's because the Depends-On patch is in a merge conflict. | 08:45 |
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| andreas_s_ | claudiub, ah ok, interessting. But that's a little bit confusing, as the depends on is for os-brick.. | 08:46 |
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| claudiub | andreas_s_: This change or one of its cross-repo dependencies was unable to be automatically merged with the current state of its repository. Please rebase the change and upload a new patchset. it refers to the Depends-On patch. | 08:46 |
| andreas_s_ | anyhow, we'll try to rebase that first | 08:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add pagination and Changes-since filter support for os-migrations. https://review.openstack.org/330406 | 08:46 |
| mdbooth | Anybody else unable to log in to gerrit this morning? | 08:46 |
| andreas_s_ | claudiub, got it! Thanks you! | 08:46 |
| mdbooth | I get an OpenID error: Provider is not supported, or was incorrectly entered. | 08:47 |
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| mdbooth | Ah, nm. After reproducing 3 times it seems to have fixed itself :) | 08:47 |
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| claudiub | andreas_s_: when you add a Depends-On line in the commit message, Jenkins and other CIs will also include that patch (no matter what project) in its tests. if it couldn't be cherry-picked, it fails. | 08:47 |
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| claudiub | mdbooth: 3 has always been a magical number. :) | 08:48 |
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| kashyap | mdbooth: I'm about to login | 08:50 |
| kashyap | Ah, you said "it fixed itself" | 08:50 |
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| mdbooth | kashyap: Don't forget to cast the appropriate bones first | 08:51 |
| andreas_s_ | claudiub, thanks for this explanation - wasn't ware of that | 08:51 |
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| kashyap | Heh | 08:51 |
| claudiub | andreas_s_: no problem. :) | 08:51 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: ping | 08:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/compute/test_compute.py (9) https://review.openstack.org/330964 | 09:08 |
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| bauwser | do we success Jenkins passing away ? :p | 09:14 |
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| BobBall | I'm sure there will be a number of parties :) | 09:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yuriy Zveryanskyy proposed openstack/nova: Change ignored exception in Ironic virt driver https://review.openstack.org/330984 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova: WIP Make InstanceGroup object favor the API database https://review.openstack.org/330995 | 09:34 |
| openstackgerrit | liuxiuli proposed openstack/nova: And reserved_huge_pages to memory_mb_used https://review.openstack.org/330928 | 09:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova: compute: Skip driver detach calls for non local instances https://review.openstack.org/318266 | 09:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: sorry, missed your ping, whats up? | 09:45 |
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| BobBall | No worries. Was just checking if you were around today. See PM | 09:45 |
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| bauwser | do we know if we default limit/marker for all our API resources or only for the servers ? | 10:02 |
| bauwser | ie. nova list etc. | 10:02 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: ^ do you know that ? | 10:03 |
| bauwser | ie. I know we paginate nova list for sure, but I was wondering for paginating other API resources | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, it might just be servers | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we don't do it for images | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | because thats a proxy, and the server we talk to doesn't do it | 10:03 |
| bauwser | ok | 10:03 |
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| bauwser | I think os-hosts is not paginating too | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I am not sure about the others, it would seem reasonable to limit those | 10:03 |
| bauwser | tbc, we don't have a default behaviour accepting pagination for any API resource action ? | 10:04 |
| bauwser | if so, it's per resource/action I see | 10:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, pagination is added per resource | 10:04 |
| bauwser | even per action I guess | 10:04 |
| bauwser | like a GET /servers/id doesn't make sense to be paginated | 10:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | it largely has to, because to get any benefit, we need to send that detail down to the DB call | 10:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right | 10:05 |
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| bauwser | okay, I guess I should sneak peak at the API ref documentation and see what resources are having limit/marker :) | 10:06 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: thanks for clarifying that :) | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not sure that detail is complete yet... | 10:08 |
| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI: Support neutron security group https://review.openstack.org/251271 | 10:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/compute/test_compute.py (10) https://review.openstack.org/331013 | 10:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: enhance method to return pointer_model from image prop https://review.openstack.org/174854 | 10:54 |
| cdent | bauwser, johnthetubaguy: you might "enjoy" the email I've just sent to os-dev.... | 10:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucian Petrut proposed openstack/nova: Py3: fix serial console output https://review.openstack.org/302182 | 10:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucian Petrut proposed openstack/nova: Py3: fix serial console output https://review.openstack.org/302182 | 11:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: compute: fixes python 3 related unit tests https://review.openstack.org/300262 | 11:03 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Create _validate_requested_port_ids https://review.openstack.org/329600 | 11:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: fixes python 3 related unit tests https://review.openstack.org/278834 | 11:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Extract _validate_requested_network_ids https://review.openstack.org/329601 | 11:05 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: hi. if you have a little bit of free time, can you take a look at a python 3 compatibility patch? it has been reviewed a few times. Thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278810/18 | 11:08 |
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| BobBall | dansmith: Your comments have been addressed on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242846/. This bugfix is a pre-requisite for one of our BPs, so we'd appreciate a re-review when you have time. | 11:22 |
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| bauwser | cdent: lemme tell you a story | 11:33 |
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| bauwser | cdent: once upon a time, a very small project tried to define a REST API using first Flask, then Pecan | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add periodic task to clean expired console tokens https://review.openstack.org/325381 | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth token records to the database https://review.openstack.org/325414 | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth object https://review.openstack.org/320063 | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add instance uuid to console URLs https://review.openstack.org/325382 | 11:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth tokens db api methods https://review.openstack.org/319964 | 11:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Murray proposed openstack/nova: Add console auth tokens table and model https://review.openstack.org/319327 | 11:34 |
| bauwser | cdent: both were interesting to use, but at the end, the project failed | 11:34 |
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| bauwser | cdent: the outcome of that story ? that's not really a huge crisp to me, I just care about people writing code they can understand :) | 11:34 |
| cdent | me too, which is why I've gone the way I have. I think flask and pecan are _far_ harder to understand than what I've written thus far | 11:35 |
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| bauwser | pecan was cool to use (at least routing was far more understandable) but given we use the standard-ish WSGI stuff in Nova for a while, I tend to say "meh" | 11:36 |
| bauwser | the real terrible thing we struggle was with input validation, using He-Who-Cannot-Be-Named aka. WSME | 11:37 |
| cdent | huh. I think the routing in pecan is completely opaque and that object-dispatch is a very bad model to use with APIs that claim to RESTful | 11:37 |
| cdent | never speak of WSME! :) | 11:37 |
| bauwser | (in front of a mirror) WSME, WSME, WSME ! | 11:38 |
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| bauwser | :p | 11:38 |
| cdent | with regard to "standard-ish WSGI stuff in Nova" <- do people really think that the way Nova does WSGI is anything close to normal? I find the nova wsgi code to be completely alien, way way too complex, and impossible to trace | 11:38 |
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| bauwser | cdent: so, enough TGIF, just to say I'm not that expert to voice here, just saying that I care about people being able to review and code what we're proposing, that's it, and me tending to prefer things close to what we have in the current Nova tree | 11:39 |
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| bauwser | https://m.popkey.co/cedcc1/eLw7m.gif | 11:40 |
| cdent | I think the "the way nova does it" is only good for people who have been with nova for quite a while, and there really aren't that many of those people. There are far more potential contributors who have never seen nova. | 11:40 |
| cdent | ha! | 11:40 |
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| cdent | for that latter group their reaction to nova is much like JohnT there | 11:41 |
| bauwser | heh | 11:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: network: handle unauthorized exception from neutron https://review.openstack.org/312014 | 11:43 |
| bauwser | honestly, I don't think the ramp-up on that API code is so hard | 11:43 |
| bauwser | either way, people coming to Nova know there is an history | 11:44 |
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| bauwser | of course, copy/pasting is never a good idea if you don't understand what you're doing in between | 11:44 |
| bauwser | but, here, I just don't want to redo the wheel, that's it :-) | 11:45 |
| bauwser | in particular since one of my roles is to look at what people write and set my mind on the project I'm looking to | 11:46 |
| bauwser | in particular wrt the patterns we use and the things we agreed in the past | 11:46 |
| bauwser | having separate codepaths is like darwinian evolution | 11:46 |
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| cdent | bauwser: keep in mind that all the api code that is being written is not nova. it something that is intentionally separate from nova, so should look and be different, yeah? | 11:47 |
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| bauwser | cdent: sure, it's like if Nova was about to write a new version, right? | 11:48 |
| cdent | Or perhaps another way to think of it is this: If we have started it as a standalone project in the first place, would there be any debate? | 11:48 |
| bauwser | cdent: there would, for sure | 11:48 |
| cdent | I mean about the being similar to nova's code | 11:48 |
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| cdent | sure there should be debate on how to do the api | 11:48 |
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| cdent | but the question would be around framework vs framework-less | 11:49 |
| bauwser | but we're still discussing about the placement API being part of nova, do we ? :) | 11:49 |
| cdent | I think for most people that's a done deal. | 11:49 |
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| cdent | It is inevitable that it has to separate so that it can provide a good service to mlutiple projectg clients, not just nova. | 11:49 |
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| cdent | And so that it can evolve independently of the history of nova | 11:50 |
| bauwser | I still haven't seen consensus on that being a separate *service* :) | 11:50 |
| bauwser | but either way, it's not the discussion we're having originally | 11:50 |
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| cdent | I think you should talk to jay, dan, sean, johnthetubaguy, matt r about the plans with the placement api. Or maybe I should. :) | 11:51 |
| cdent | I think it is a key part of this discussion because it drives a lot of the debate around how to do the api. Nova's API structure was declared inappropriate for this new API. That was decided. | 11:52 |
| cdent | What was not decided was what the new way should be | 11:52 |
| bauwser | I agree :) | 11:53 |
| bauwser | tbc, I agree with the point that the Nova API structure is inappropriate | 11:53 |
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| bauwser | what I think we haven't concluded is that this new API should be part of a new separate *project* | 11:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Extract _validate_requested_network_ids https://review.openstack.org/329601 | 11:56 |
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| cdent | bauwser: I thought that was concluded, but let's assume for the time being it hasn't. Given that, what, to you, are the reasons why it should not become its own project? | 11:57 |
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| bauwser | it's Friday, are you sure we should have this discussion now and here ? | 11:58 |
| cdent | I dunno, I'm curious, and starting next week I'll be travelling so won't have much opportunity to have it from the comfort of my comfy chair. | 11:59 |
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| cdent | It's a position you've been holding for quite some time that to me is in opposition to what nearly everyone else is saying, yet I've not really heard a coherent statement of your reasons why. | 12:00 |
| cdent | I simply want to understand so that I know what's going on. | 12:00 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Extract _validate_requested_network_ids https://review.openstack.org/329601 | 12:01 |
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| bauwser | cdent: I think http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/060179.html still applies here | 12:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | bailin.zhang proposed openstack/nova: Delete reduplicate code in test_compute_mgr.py https://review.openstack.org/331108 | 12:04 |
| bauwser | we're just discussing about splitting the nova-scheduler, not creating a cross-project scheduler | 12:04 |
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| bauwser | the fact that the other projects could consume that API for providing their own resources doesn't necessarly mean that it would be a cross-project scheduler (ie. giving volumes to Cinder) | 12:04 |
| bauwser | s/ie./eg. | 12:05 |
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| bauwser | in other words, people deploying a Compute service would necessarly install a separate package, I'm happy with that | 12:06 |
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| bauwser | but that wouldn't mean that this package would be usable by other projects | 12:06 |
| bauwser | tbc, service projects | 12:06 |
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| cdent | okay, but what does have to do with whether lifting and shifting the code is a good idea or not? | 12:07 |
| tdurakov | hi folks | 12:07 |
| tdurakov | don't you know is danpb is on vacation or not? | 12:07 |
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| cdent | tdurakov: he was around yesterday or the day before but that's all I know | 12:08 |
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| tdurakov | cdent: same for me | 12:08 |
| jroll | cdent: I think it should use pecan/wsme | 12:08 |
| tdurakov | kashyap: hi, are you around? | 12:08 |
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| bauwser | jroll: trolls are accepted on Fridays | 12:09 |
| jroll | \o/ | 12:09 |
| * jroll comes back and eats cookies | 12:09 | |
| openstackgerrit | Zhihai Song proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.power_on notifications https://review.openstack.org/329746 | 12:09 |
| jroll | cdent: so my worry with "don't use a framework" is that I suspect over time it will turn into a framework of its own | 12:11 |
| cdent | jroll: I don't know what you're eating but I only gave you _one_ cookie, sir! | 12:11 |
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| cdent | jroll: did you have a chance to look at the code? | 12:11 |
| jroll | cdent: I'm skimming now | 12:11 |
| cdent | it's a very valid concern | 12:11 |
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| jroll | cdent: if there's one thing I've learned from openstack, it's that eventually all openstack code becomes abstracted beyond all recognition (for better or worse) | 12:12 |
| cdent | and yeah, it is kind of inevitable, but I balance that against the inspectability bit, so to my eye it's really a question whether we can lay in "transparency" as a design constraint | 12:13 |
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| cdent | and you're right, enforcing that constraint is apparently impossible in openstack | 12:13 |
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| cdent | so maybe I'm just using this as exercise to tilt at all the broken windmills in openstack :( | 12:13 |
| jroll | I mean, I fully support your efforts in theory | 12:14 |
| jroll | but idk if it's the best route long term | 12:14 |
| cdent | "abstracted beyond all recognition" is, to me, the worst possible flaw in code | 12:14 |
| cdent | jroll: thus the email, I wanted to get people engaged now before it is too late | 12:14 |
| jroll | yep, I will have a think on it | 12:14 |
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| cdent | if we wanted "abstracted beyond all recognition" why aren't we using java? | 12:14 |
| jroll | I also don't think flask is "too" magical, having used flask, django, pecan | 12:15 |
| jroll | but I'll save that bit for the list :) | 12:15 |
| cdent | they are all too magical to me :) | 12:15 |
| jroll | cdent: were you in the room for the DLM discussion? | 12:15 |
| bauwser | oh please | 12:15 |
| cdent | in tokyo? yes | 12:15 |
| jroll | in vancouver I thnk | 12:15 |
| jroll | er yeah | 12:15 |
| jroll | "OH NO JVM" | 12:15 |
| cdent | or maybe it was vancouver | 12:15 |
| cdent | but yeah, I was there | 12:15 |
| * cdent doesn't mind jvm, but does mind java | 12:16 | |
| jroll | I think the main reason is that nothing starts with a goal of looking like java around here | 12:16 |
| jroll | it just inevitably does | 12:16 |
| cdent | my first reaction when I came into the openstack universe was "these are not python developers, these are java developers doing pythong". Which was unfair and untrue but it was the reaction I had. | 12:16 |
| cdent | jroll: preventing that is part of why my little api uses mostly functions, not classes | 12:17 |
| cdent | it's only uses classes to give paste something to hang on to | 12:17 |
| cdent | i'd avoid paste too if I could... | 12:17 |
| jroll | ++ | 12:18 |
| * jroll has succeeded with not having paste in ironic yet | 12:18 | |
| cdent | at the moment the only reason it is in there was to "make it easy to get started" but it could go away | 12:18 |
| * cdent leaves himself a comment | 12:18 | |
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| openstackgerrit | bailin.zhang proposed openstack/nova: Unplug vifs when VM create failed https://review.openstack.org/331113 | 12:20 |
| cdent | bauwser: what were you "oh please"ing? | 12:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Never copy a swap disk during cold migration https://review.openstack.org/331115 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Document the expectations of all callers of libvirt's _create_image https://review.openstack.org/331116 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Move root disk snapshot into finish_migration https://review.openstack.org/331117 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Don't re-resize disks in finish_migration() https://review.openstack.org/331118 | 12:21 |
| bauwser | cdent: I was also there, and my intent behind "oh please" was not implicitely ask to *not* reopen this kind of discussion :) | 12:21 |
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| jroll | hehe | 12:21 |
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| bauwser | was to* | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Create Session instance if possible https://review.openstack.org/304035 | 12:22 |
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| cdent | jroll, bauwser: I look forward to extensive, informative and engaging emails from you both in response to that message I posted. ;) | 12:25 |
| * cdent has lunch | 12:25 | |
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| jroll | cdent: damn, now I have commitments | 12:26 |
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| bauwser | cdent: sure, I'll try to figure out the best meme I can give you by email | 12:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Transfrom wrap_exception notification to versioned format https://review.openstack.org/310700 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Pre-add instance actions to avoid merge conflicts https://review.openstack.org/330513 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Enhance notification sample test base https://review.openstack.org/321610 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Handle multiple samples per versioned notification https://review.openstack.org/321609 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.update notification https://review.openstack.org/325923 | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.delete notifications https://review.openstack.org/313654 | 12:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julian proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.snapshot notifications https://review.openstack.org/330128 | 12:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julian proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.snapshot notifications https://review.openstack.org/330128 | 12:42 |
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| kashyap | tdurakov: Hey, was away for some lunch | 12:47 |
| tdurakov | kashyap: could you please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320897/4 | 12:48 |
| * kashyap clicks | 12:48 | |
| tdurakov | kashyap: especially interesting this thread https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2016-May/msg01937.html | 12:48 |
| kashyap | tdurakov: Give me a few, finishing a write-up on a QEMU related bug. | 12:48 |
| tdurakov | kk | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhihai Song proposed openstack/nova: Transform instance.power_on notifications https://review.openstack.org/329746 | 12:59 |
| kashyap | tdurakov: Have seen that patch in passing before. Have to read the full context. (/me be back in a bit.) | 13:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Added support for new block device format in vmops https://review.openstack.org/246299 | 13:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: at a first glance, the API code looks good just using webob directly, +1 killing paste.ini | 13:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: os-volumes.inc https://review.openstack.org/320048 | 13:12 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: thanks, yeah, one of the good outcomes of the discussion above was remembering paste could go | 13:12 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: cdent: tbc, given http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/policies.html#public-contractual-apis I'm fine with removing paste.ini for the placement API | 13:14 |
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| bauwser | (cdent: just explaining why I'm okay with that :p) | 13:14 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: this puts you on the hook to write on that thread too, in an "extensive, informative and engaging" fashion... :D | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julian proposed openstack/nova: WIP Add unit tests for nova.virt.firewall.IpTablesFirewallDriver (Part 2) https://review.openstack.org/325435 | 13:17 |
| figleaf | cdent: Before I reply on the list, can you summarize what the objection to Selector is? Is it simiply adding another dependency, or is it more than that? | 13:17 |
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| cdent | figleaf: on the requirements review <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329386/> tony has some objections to adding "another WSGI provider". His objections are not super strong, but that there were any suggests that there will be more in the community and I thought it was worthwhile to get the conversation started now instead of near the end of the cylce. | 13:19 |
| cdent | Since selector isn't a "WSGI provider" I think the concerns are really more about the strategies I mention in the email | 13:20 |
| figleaf | cdent: ah, thanks. So is there a way to achieve your approach with an existing (in Nova) package? | 13:20 |
| figleaf | Or is selector simply the cleanest? | 13:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref, os-services.inc https://review.openstack.org/321123 | 13:21 |
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| cdent | the Routes package, already used by Nova, does a similar thing but in a way that is a) harder to follow/trace/understand b) broken when it comes to correct HTTP | 13:22 |
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| figleaf | cdent: broken in the sense that a) it doesn't do what you would expect it to or b) isn't strictly following HTTP conventions? | 13:27 |
| cdent | for example: it is incapable of informing its client code of when a 405 is the correct response and thus causes a 404 instead | 13:28 |
| cdent | (that is, when it can't find a route, it always returns None, with no indicator that there is a route, but not on at the desired method) | 13:29 |
| cdent | s/on at/one at/ | 13:29 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: hi! | 13:32 |
| figleaf | cdent: ok, thanks for the info | 13:32 |
| cdent | you're welcome, thanks for asking | 13:32 |
| mriedem | andreykurilin: hi | 13:33 |
| mriedem | really pounced on me | 13:33 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 13:34 |
| andreykurilin | could you ping someone from keystone team to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304035/ ? I tried to find someone several times, but my attempts were not successful :( | 13:34 |
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| mriedem | andreykurilin: sure | 13:37 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: thanks | 13:37 |
| andreykurilin | btw, your review are preferable too:) | 13:38 |
| mriedem | andreykurilin: bah | 13:38 |
| mriedem | are any of these jobs running with keystone v3? | 13:38 |
| mriedem | looks like this one is http://logs.openstack.org/35/304035/9/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-novaclient/47a0c38/logs/etc/openstack/clouds.yaml.txt.gz | 13:39 |
| mriedem | and functional http://logs.openstack.org/35/304035/9/check/gate-novaclient-dsvm-functional/aa98073/logs/etc/openstack/clouds.yaml.txt.gz | 13:39 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: yes | 13:39 |
| andreykurilin | and we have two functional tests for keystone v2 and v3 | 13:40 |
| andreykurilin | novaclient.tests.functional.test_auth.TestAuthentication | 13:40 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: no, we do not have them:( | 13:40 |
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| mriedem | i must have been thinking of this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313588/ | 13:41 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: it will break one functional test | 13:42 |
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| eantyshev | Hi, everyone! wanted to ask for reviews in https://review.openstack.org/190843 | 13:43 |
| mriedem | andreykurilin: hmm, ok, that v3-only job would be non-voting to start, so wouldn't break us i guess | 13:43 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: sounds good | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Fix the clean up of resize-revert for volume backed instances https://review.openstack.org/329030 | 13:46 |
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| mriedem | hemna: have you seen this before? http://openstack-3rd-party-storage-ci-logs.virtuozzo.com/43/190843/26/check/dsvm-tempest-kvm/3d395b4/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz | 13:47 |
| mriedem | look for privsep log: privsep: request[78077616]: (3, 'os_brick.privileged.rootwrap.execute_root', ('systool', '-c', 'fc_host', '-v'), {}) | 13:47 |
| mriedem | "privsep log: privsep: request[78077616]: (3, 'os_brick.privileged.rootwrap.execute_root', ('systool', '-c', 'fc_host', '-v'), {})" | 13:47 |
| mriedem | eantyshev: we shouldn't be sharing rootwrap filters between nova and os-brick anymore https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190843/26/etc/nova/rootwrap.d/compute.filters | 13:48 |
| mriedem | that should be handled with privsep | 13:48 |
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| wasmum | anyone seen anything like this when rebuilding a failed neutron node in an ha environment? http://pastebin.com/80i1w6tB | 13:50 |
| wasmum | looks like the switch db is not populating? | 13:50 |
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| eantyshev | mriedem: OK, I will search the Nova code for usage samples of privsep. Could you point me to the similar places? | 13:52 |
| wasmum | in the vswitch db log i get | 13:52 |
| wasmum | 2016-06-17T13:44:32.142Z|00009|jsonrpc|WARN|unix: send error: Broken pipe | 13:53 |
| wasmum | 2016-06-17T13:44:32.146Z|00010|reconnect|WARN|unix: connection dropped (Broken pipe) | 13:53 |
| mriedem | wasmum: see channel topic please | 13:53 |
| mriedem | eantyshev: try getting with hemna on that | 13:53 |
| mriedem | or gus | 13:53 |
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| wasmum | mriedem: poop, sorry client shrunk room names, thought this was neutron | 13:54 |
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| eantyshev | mriedem: Thanks | 13:55 |
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| gus | mriedem: those systool -c fc_host "failures" are normal with os-brick afaik. | 13:57 |
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| gus | mriedem: it runs a bunch of fibrechannel commands, which fail if you don't have fibrechannel drivers, and then os-brick ignores/adapts-to the error exception. | 13:58 |
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| gus | I never looked too closely at the actual call site. | 13:58 |
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| mriedem | eantyshev: the vz storage ci must be using oslo.privsep 1.4.0 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | because i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-brick/+bug/1593743 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593743 in os-brick "(privsep) u'systool -c fc_host -v' failed. Not Retrying." [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
| mriedem | os-brick 1.4.0 is blacklisted in global-requirements right now | 14:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Rename _cleanup_resize to confirm_migration https://review.openstack.org/331158 | 14:10 |
| eantyshev | mriedem: we don't amend global-requirements, oslo.privsep is of 1.8.0 in the latest run: http://openstack-3rd-party-storage-ci-logs.virtuozzo.com/59/323759/5/check/dsvm-tempest-kvm/4ea0cbe/logs/pip2-freeze.txt.gz | 14:10 |
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| eantyshev | mriedem: though, I see the error in n-cpu.log | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Sudipta Biswas proposed openstack/nova: Update setup.cfg for memory bandwidth monitor https://review.openstack.org/329785 | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | sudipto: did you address jay's -1 here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203163/ | 14:14 |
| mriedem | eantyshev: you are using os-brick from master though right? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | -e git+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/os-brick@0fbaad573060a56c5f9998b0182bcda8c3e7fe3e#egg=os_brick | 14:15 |
| sudipto | mriedem, yeah i did. | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | sudipto: please reply in the review to explain | 14:15 |
| sudipto | mriedem, sure will. | 14:15 |
| mriedem | eantyshev: the vz driver is in os-brick now right? if so, the vz storage ci shouldn't be running with os-brick from trunk | 14:16 |
| mriedem | it should use the version from g-r | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | eantyshev: yeah vz has been in os-brick for awhile | 14:17 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/os-brick/commit/ff44cb5457b0e33ffa9c9b4f63634e4b65f66ef4 | 14:17 |
| eantyshev | mriedem: Oh. indeed. We kept "LIBS_FROM_GIT=os-brick" in localrc since patches were on review | 14:17 |
| mriedem | eantyshev: that should be rmeoved | 14:18 |
| mriedem | *removed | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/331174 | 14:19 |
| eantyshev | mriedem: will remove this, thanks again for pointing out! | 14:19 |
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| mnestratov | hi all | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/331184 | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | mnestratov: hi | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Luis Tomas proposed openstack/nova: Extend live-migration-force-complete to use postcopy if available https://review.openstack.org/329077 | 14:22 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: just to let you know about our Virtuzoo Compute CI status - we enabled it and reports again but we didn't remove patching yet | 14:22 |
| mriedem | mnestratov: why not? | 14:22 |
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| mnestratov | this is temporarily because we encountered a problem and we are solving it now | 14:23 |
| mriedem | mnestratov: ok...i noticed last night that the resize patch was going to merge with the rescue patch, i would advise against that. if the resize patch depends on the changes in the rescue patch, they should be stacked up as dependencies. | 14:24 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: while we were patching some other change broke our upstream code that we didn't notice - trying to fix it now | 14:24 |
| mriedem | mnestratov: stacking those changes would make them easier to review | 14:24 |
| mriedem | *and*, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | for the rescue change we should enable running the rescue tests in tempest | 14:24 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: ok | 14:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update guest time after suspend https://review.openstack.org/316116 | 14:25 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Make _validate_requested_network_ids return a dict https://review.openstack.org/329849 | 14:26 |
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| mnestratov | mriedem: actually I thought that it makes sense to merge them because they are pretty close, but I see your point now - we will make them dependent | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | mnestratov: it's easier to review and test them separately | 14:33 |
| mriedem | with 2 weeks left for non-priority blueprints you want to make the reviews as painless as possible :) | 14:33 |
| mnestratov | mriedem: absolutely :) | 14:34 |
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| claudiub | hm, this wiki is a bit wrong. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pci-api-support there is no " | 14:34 |
| gibi_ | mriedem: thanks for checking the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310700/ yesterday. I think I answered / fixed your concerns. | 14:34 |
| claudiub | or other pci related commands. | 14:35 |
| mriedem | claudiub: i'm sure that's probably really old, probably at least juno | 14:35 |
| mriedem | Date of page creation02:38, 20 November 2013 | 14:36 |
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| bauwser | woah, just saw Gerrit having the "included-in" dropdown list which gives us the list of branches and tags having the related change | 14:36 |
| claudiub | mriedem: seems so. But I am wondering why the command was never added to python-novaclient. the os-pci nova API endpoint exists. | 14:37 |
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| claudiub | all I see is an abandoned patch on python-novaclient related to adding pci support. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | bauwser: welcome to convenience | 14:38 |
| mriedem | claudiub: no idea on the CLI | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | it was pre-microversions | 14:38 |
| bauwser | mriedem: well, my git repo will <3 that | 14:38 |
| bauwser | because I was grepping the SHA1 :p | 14:38 |
| bauwser | oops, the change-id rather | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Luis Tomas proposed openstack/nova: Extend live-migration-force-complete to use postcopy if available https://review.openstack.org/329077 | 14:41 |
| claudiub | mriedem: yeah, I think it was just a few months before microversions. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75324/7 it seems it was adding the pci-list and pci-show commands | 14:41 |
| claudiub | imo, I think it would still be worthwhile to add it. | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: WIP: remove scheduler_hints https://review.openstack.org/331194 | 14:42 |
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| claudiub | although, I don't know, do we need a blueprint for something like this? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | claudiub: if it's not using microversions, then i'd say do it in openstackclient | 14:42 |
| mriedem | s/using/dependent on/ | 14:42 |
| claudiub | aham. | 14:43 |
| claudiub | artom: hello. got a minute? :) | 14:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Luis Tomas proposed openstack/nova: Add automatic switching to postcopy mode when migration is not progressing https://review.openstack.org/328499 | 14:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: WIP: remove scheduler_hints https://review.openstack.org/331194 | 14:48 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: WIP: remove extension of scheduler hints totally https://review.openstack.org/331202 | 14:48 |
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| artom | claudiub, hey :) Not right now, I took a PTO day to get my daughter to the doctor - this afternoon is you're still around, otherwise Monday | 14:48 |
| artom | Or write to the mailing list and I'll reply async :) | 14:48 |
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| claudiub | artom: Oh, I see. :) Well, I'll be around. When you come back, drop a ping pls. :) | 14:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Hicher proposed openstack/nova: Purge soft-deleted instances cmd https://review.openstack.org/331204 | 14:53 |
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| PaulMurray | what's a good example to copy for cells stuff ? | 14:55 |
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| bauwser | PaulMurray: what do you want to do ? | 14:57 |
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| PaulMurray | I'm putting console connection authroizations in the child database (this is to get rid of consoleauth) | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | so at api level I have an instance id and a console token | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | I need to get the console info from the child database | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | so I guess the process is - use isntance uuid to get child cell db | 15:02 |
| PaulMurray | get info from child db | 15:02 |
| bauwser | well, it's not an upcall, just a top-down | 15:02 |
| PaulMurray | that's right | 15:02 |
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| doffm_ | bauwser: PaulMurray: That sounds ok, I'd still like to take a look at the use case. Is this to make an existing API work? | 15:02 |
| PaulMurray | it will actually be from the console proxies | 15:03 |
| bauwser | PaulMurray: the question I'm wondering is if we should automate this kind of call by looking up the InstanceMapping directly in a contextmanager | 15:03 |
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| bauwser | but that's something maybe I missed from the last cells v2 meetings | 15:03 |
| bauwser | ie. how we should call the child DBs explicitely or implicitely | 15:04 |
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| doffm | I guess explicitly if we are in the API cell. | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | are there any examples that do this already | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | or are they all in old v1 world code | 15:05 |
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| sahid | mriedem: any chance you look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174854/ i'm scary to see it blocked for the next release one more time | 15:06 |
| bauwser | PaulMurray: nothing I know yet for cells v2 | 15:06 |
| doffm | PaulMurray: Yeah, nothing I know of. | 15:06 |
| bauwser | PaulMurray: AFAIR, we'll be using a contextmanager for selecting how to call the child cell | 15:06 |
| bauwser | there is a review from melwitt IIRC | 15:06 |
| doffm | PaulMurray: What spec are you working on? | 15:07 |
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| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301158/ | 15:07 |
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| PaulMurray | convert-consoles-to-objects | 15:08 |
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| mfedosin | mriedem: hi! May I ask you a question? I noticed that nova.image code looks not so good... So, what if I refactor it a little bit, fix typos and add missing docstrings and parameters descriptions? | 15:09 |
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| PaulMurray | melwitt, do you have any idea about above ? | 15:09 |
| lascii | PaulMurray: is this a db or RPC call? | 15:10 |
| mriedem | mfedosin: non-functional code comment / docstring etc changes are always welcome | 15:10 |
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| doffm | PaulMurray: Ahhh, ok. There are some examples of choosing a cell and doing a database switch. | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | ahh, no wonder I couldn't find alaski..... I should have guessed | 15:10 |
| melwitt | PaulMurray: what bauwser mentioned is this where we could do lookups for compute rpc calls automatically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326906/1/nova/compute/rpcapi.py@398 | 15:10 |
| mriedem | sahid: is that the last change in that bp series? | 15:10 |
| sahid | mriedem: yes it is | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | lascii, it will be a lookup | 15:11 |
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| PaulMurray | lascii, I will also have to do an rpc call to compute node after, but that is an existing call | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | so not worried about that right now | 15:11 |
| mriedem | sahid: ok, yeah, i've randomly tried to remember to review that one since i know the first part is merged | 15:11 |
| mfedosin | mriedem: great! | 15:11 |
| PaulMurray | melwitt, thanks | 15:12 |
| lascii | PaulMurray: okay. RPC calls are being converted in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322181/ | 15:12 |
| sahid | mriedem: cool thanks | 15:12 |
| mriedem | and i want to get to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312014/ but have been sidetracked | 15:13 |
| sahid | mriedem: yes this one too, i was less scary to be blocked since it's a bug | 15:14 |
| lascii | PaulMurray: for db calls I'm not aware of any helper methods yet. You need to use the instance or host info to pull a CellMapping and then use the context.target_cell context manager around the db call | 15:14 |
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| bauwser | lascii: melwitt: PaulMurray: yup, sorry, I was unclear, I was referring to the RPC calls | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Add CellMappingList object https://review.openstack.org/329216 | 15:28 |
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| auggy | good morning! | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: parameter verification os-agents https://review.openstack.org/326116 | 16:00 |
| stewie925 | good morning auggy! | 16:01 |
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| hemna | mriedem, hey | 16:05 |
| hemna | mriedem, the systool -c fc_host errors are normal to happen when someone doesn't have a Fibre Channel HBA on their system. | 16:06 |
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| mriedem | hemna: it logs a trace and warning each time it hits that | 16:07 |
| mriedem | there should be a way to suppress that if it's not an error | 16:07 |
| mriedem | hemna: and from what i can tell these aren't FC drivers | 16:08 |
| mriedem | so not sure why it would be checking that anyway | 16:08 |
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| hemna | every time a connector dict is built we have to call each connector object to collect it's info from the system | 16:11 |
| hemna | we don't know if we are doing an iSCSI attach or FC attach | 16:11 |
| hemna | or RBD, etc. | 16:11 |
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| hemna | so, I can see if I can redirect stderr to /dev/null to suppress those I guess | 16:12 |
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| mriedem | hemna: is this because of your connector refactor change? | 16:12 |
| hemna | not really | 16:13 |
| hemna | the FC connector was always called | 16:13 |
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| hemna | since FC was added into libvirt way back | 16:13 |
| hemna | privsep is just logging everything now | 16:13 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Reorder allocate_for_instance preamble https://review.openstack.org/329850 | 16:13 |
| hemna | we used to just capture stderr w/ putils and ignore it | 16:13 |
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| mriedem | hmm, privsep doesn't take a flag or something to tell it to be quiet? | 16:14 |
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| hemna | I'll look into it | 16:14 |
| hemna | I'm not sure, but if it doesn't it should | 16:14 |
| hemna | I don't think it should be automatically logging command stderr | 16:14 |
| hemna | it should leave it to who calls privsep exec | 16:15 |
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| mriedem | ok, i opened a bug against os-brick, maybe that just gets oslo.privsep added to it | 16:16 |
| mriedem | low priority | 16:16 |
| hemna | kew | 16:16 |
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| hemna | mriedem, https://github.com/openstack/oslo.privsep/blob/master/oslo_privsep/daemon.py#L285 | 16:17 |
| hemna | that's the issue | 16:17 |
| hemna | stderr=_fd_logger() | 16:17 |
| hemna | it always logs all errors | 16:17 |
| hemna | it should capture those and return them to the caller IMHO | 16:18 |
| mriedem | ah | 16:18 |
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| hemna | is gus still up? | 16:19 |
| hemna | should I abandon my os-brick patch for the grenade issue ? | 16:19 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: WIP Extract _update_ports_for_instance https://review.openstack.org/329851 | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Extract port create from allocate_for_instance https://review.openstack.org/328966 | 16:20 |
| mriedem | hemna: i think so | 16:20 |
| mriedem | i posted comments why in there | 16:20 |
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| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329766/ | 16:21 |
| hemna | that one ? | 16:21 |
| mriedem | no | 16:23 |
| mriedem | hemna: this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329586/ | 16:23 |
| hemna | oh yah, sorry. | 16:23 |
| hemna | I'm looking for the privsep patch that fixes the same issue | 16:23 |
| openstackgerrit | STEW TY proposed openstack/nova: Complete verification for os-floating-ips https://review.openstack.org/329704 | 16:24 |
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| mriedem | hemna: that's this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329766/ | 16:25 |
| mriedem | hemna: used by nova here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329769/ | 16:25 |
| hemna | ah ok, so he's setting it to rootwrap from the get go. | 16:26 |
| hemna | ok I'll move my os-brick patch to WIP until this stuff lands | 16:26 |
| hemna | and then I'll abandon it then. | 16:26 |
| mriedem | i'd like to see that pass gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode first, | 16:27 |
| mriedem | so i'm going to see if a devstack or devstack-gate change with both as dependencies will make that happen | 16:27 |
| mriedem | the nova jobs don't run with the oslo.privsep from source | 16:27 |
| mriedem | so the dep doesn't work | 16:27 |
| hemna | ok I WIP'd mine | 16:28 |
| hemna | just to prevent it from landing for the time being. | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Bump the service version for get-me-a-network support https://review.openstack.org/318953 | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: neutron: handle 'auto' network request in allocate_for_instance https://review.openstack.org/316275 | 16:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Add REST API support for get me a network https://review.openstack.org/316398 | 16:29 |
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| hemna | mriedem_lunch, thanks for the help | 16:31 |
| auggy | i have a bug related question... i see a lot of cases where someone reports a bug and then assigns it to themselves, sometimes they start work on it, sometimes they don't | 16:33 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: zuul was restarted for a software upgrade; events between 16:08 and 16:30 were missed, please recheck any changes uploaded during that time | 16:33 | |
| auggy | generally we've been telling them to set the status to "In Progress" and push a patch within 2 weeks | 16:33 |
| auggy | but, shouldn't it go through a proper Confirmed/Triage process? | 16:33 |
| auggy | or is that necessary? | 16:33 |
| auggy | because if they just start work on it, it could be something really major and people miss it because it bypasses the usual filters... or maybe it's not a direction we want to go in, so they'd be wasting their work... | 16:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/compute/test_compute.py (10) https://review.openstack.org/331013 | 17:13 |
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| artom | claudiub, hey, I have some time now, if you're up for it :) | 17:20 |
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| claudiub | artom: yeay. :) I have a couple of questions about the pci device tagging. There are a couple of things I didn't quite understand. For example, nova boot --nic net-id=12345,tag=nfvfunc1 ... so this basically means that a physical NIC will be attached to the VM, right? How do you know which one to attach, given the tag? | 17:25 |
| artom | claudiub, not a physical nic, no, it's the same vnic as would be attached without the tag. | 17:26 |
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| artom | The tag doesn't identify what vnic to attach, it identifies vnic metadata. | 17:27 |
| artom | So in your example, in the livbirt case, whatever device element exists in the domain XML the represent the vnic attached to network 12345 will have some of its attributes exposed in the metadata with that tag | 17:28 |
| artom | *that represents | 17:29 |
| claudiub | aham. so this basically a way tell the guest which nic is which. | 17:30 |
| artom | Right on. | 17:31 |
| claudiub | ah, I see. | 17:31 |
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| artom | claudiub, yeah, basically if you think DHCP is the devil but you still want applications inside the VM to know which VNIC they should provision with what IP, you would use tags. | 17:34 |
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| claudiub | artom: aham.. as far NICs go, what is the role of the virt drivers? I mean, you can probably generate the necessary metadata outside the drivers as well. | 17:37 |
| claudiub | artom: as far as the 'type', 'bus', 'mac', and 'tags' go, at least. the address looks like a pci device address. | 17:38 |
| artom | claudiub, there's some new metadata that's being exposed to go along with the tag, for example what bus the VNIC is on and what's its address on that bus. Only the virt drivers have this information, as it concerns the virtual hardware. | 17:38 |
| artom | claudiub, exactly, bus and address are only known to the virt driver. | 17:39 |
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| claudiub | artom: I see. | 17:40 |
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| claudiub | artom: so, moving on to block device mappings / disks. For the bus type, from the hyper-v perspective, I can easily do that. Not really sure about the address though. | 17:43 |
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| claudiub | but from what I see in the libvirt implementation, it isn't set either. | 17:45 |
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| artom | claudiub, well, we try to find its address | 17:46 |
| artom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264016/44/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py 7449 | 17:46 |
| artom | But it can be None if it's not feasible | 17:46 |
| claudiub | aah, I see. I didn't notice it, as the method is called _prepare_device_bus. :) | 17:47 |
| claudiub | ok. I think I got it now. | 17:48 |
| claudiub | hopefully. :) | 17:48 |
| artom | claudiub, yeah, maybe _prepare_device_bus isn't the clearest indication of what the method is actually doing | 17:49 |
| claudiub | I'll probably send a patch for this next week for hyper-v. Will add you as a reviewer. :) | 17:49 |
| artom | claudiub, cool, I'll get to put my hyperextensive knowledge of hyperV to the test ;) | 17:49 |
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| claudiub | artom: weeell, there is 0 or almost 0 hyper-v specific code in nova, so python knowledge will help you the most. :) | 17:50 |
| artom | claudiub, sweet, I'll at least be able to fake it then :D | 17:52 |
| claudiub | artom: fake it 'til you make it, it is a good policy in life. :D | 17:52 |
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| mriedem | auggy: i wouldn't worry about it too much - they risk wasting their time pushing a fix for what might not be a bug, or they push the wrong fix, and then they find out in review | 17:59 |
| mriedem | auggy: if they really think it's important they can ask about it here or in the dev list | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan proposed openstack/nova: [WIP]Improve help text for cloudpipe https://review.openstack.org/331285 | 18:01 |
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| mriedem | sahid: on your use usb tablet thing, what happens if i migrate from one host to another that isn't configured the same? | 18:11 |
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| mriedem | i guess if the image meta properties are telling the libvirt driver what to do then we should be ok | 18:15 |
| mriedem | and if not using image meta props, we'd still have the same issue today with the use_usb_tablet object if that's different between hosts | 18:16 |
| mriedem | s/object/config/ | 18:16 |
| mriedem | seems we shouldn't even have the config option.... | 18:16 |
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| mriedem | superdan: my good friend! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174854/34/nova/objects/image_meta.py | 18:23 |
| mriedem | ImageMetaProps is currently at 1.13 | 18:23 |
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| mriedem | ImageMeta used to bump versions when ImageMetaProps would, but no longer does | 18:24 |
| superdan | right | 18:24 |
| mriedem | so that's on purpose? | 18:24 |
| superdan | what's on purpose? not bumping it in this patch? | 18:24 |
| mriedem | well it looks like we stopped bumping ImageMeta version when ImageMetaProps would change awhile back | 18:24 |
| superdan | right, because manifests | 18:25 |
| mriedem | i just wasn't sure if that was a conscious decision | 18:25 |
| mriedem | ok | 18:25 |
| superdan | t'was | 18:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova: Enable sqlite FK enforcement in Database fixture https://review.openstack.org/331305 | 18:39 |
| mriedem | melwitt: ooo i've been wanting that made generic for a long time | 18:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Friesen proposed openstack/nova: Allow logging detailed info only on sched failure https://review.openstack.org/331306 | 18:40 |
| melwitt | yay :) | 18:40 |
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| cfriesen | hi folks...I'd appreciate some comments on this ^. Note, it's only an initial draft to get comments on the overall approach. Unit tests would be added of course. | 18:40 |
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| jdandrea | Can anyone help shed light on this? If we are using PciPassthroughFilter and NUMATopologyFilter, and we don't specify a NUMA node, will Nova pick a common NUMA node for allocating related VFs and VMs, or is it indeterminate/random? *looking through code* | 18:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Correct the network config option help text https://review.openstack.org/318726 | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the network options (3) https://review.openstack.org/281901 | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the network options (4) https://review.openstack.org/282039 | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the network options (2) https://review.openstack.org/280438 | 18:50 |
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| locust | hello, as I see I can crete new instances of specified type like mini nano | 18:51 |
| locust | will it be posseble to create my own types? | 18:52 |
| locust | like create arm emulated mashine | 18:52 |
| locust | or change amount of rum belongig to specified mashine? | 18:53 |
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| locust_ | so | 18:59 |
| locust_ | where there ansver? | 18:59 |
| locust_ | sorry was disk | 18:59 |
| figleaf | locust_: those are admin-level operations | 19:00 |
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| figleaf | locust_: if it's your cloud, then yes, you can do those things | 19:00 |
| locust_ | hm | 19:00 |
| locust_ | Iam considering openstack like esxi alternative | 19:01 |
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| locust_ | figleaf: but it is not from horisont like... | 19:02 |
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| figleaf | locust_: the best place to ask questions like that would be in the #openstack channel, not here | 19:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova: Device tagging metadata API support https://review.openstack.org/304511 | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Hicher proposed openstack/nova: Purge soft-deleted instances cmd https://review.openstack.org/203751 | 19:18 |
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| stewie925 | hello all | 19:25 |
| stewie925 | was checking on api ref to work on, found "os-flavor-extra-specs.inc" listed as TO-DO (parameter, example, body) but it looks it has been completed per https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310706/ | 19:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Cells: Handle delete with BuildRequest https://review.openstack.org/325985 | 19:27 |
| mriedem | stewie925: method verification was complete | 19:28 |
| mriedem | see the .. needs: part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310706/1/api-ref/source/os-flavor-extra-specs.inc | 19:28 |
| stewie925 | yes, mriedem - I see that too, but it looks like those other verifications have been done | 19:28 |
| stewie925 | well, at least the parameter verificiation was done, but it wasnt stricken out from the source | 19:29 |
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| mriedem | stewie925: i think it was just method verification on that one | 19:30 |
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| stewie925 | mriedem: I see.... | 19:31 |
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| mriedem | superdan: lascii: so i've got a riddle for you | 19:32 |
| mriedem | since sdague is on a walkabout | 19:32 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326940/ has duplicated the API samples for os-hypervisors simply because the v2.31 microversion in that change has subclassed the API samples for os-hypervisors, | 19:33 |
| mriedem | but the only thing that changes in that change is adding paging support for listing hypervisors, | 19:33 |
| mriedem | so it seems pointless to test GET on os-hypervisors with 2.31, | 19:33 |
| mriedem | unless that's just purely for regression testing | 19:33 |
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| mriedem | note that the API samples tests don't even mean anything since those only verify the request/response body, and this is handling limit/marker in the query | 19:34 |
| superdan | yeah | 19:34 |
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| mriedem | the REST API unit test actually tests the limit/marker part | 19:35 |
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| mriedem | otherwise we're just duplicating and running a bunch of tests that work the same as beofre | 19:35 |
| mriedem | *before | 19:35 |
| mriedem | i have a feeling this might just be 'how it's done' | 19:36 |
| superdan | so what are you asking? | 19:37 |
| superdan | if we should have an exclusion list? | 19:37 |
| mriedem | well, for api samples tests, should we only test listing hypervisors (what actually changed) | 19:37 |
| mriedem | even though that api sample test doesn't test the change really since the body isn't changing | 19:38 |
| mriedem | same for the unit tests since those are also just subclassed and pass a different microversion | 19:38 |
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| mriedem | i'm just wary of subclassing tests because of all of the unnecessary duplication | 19:39 |
| mriedem | maybe this is a ML question? | 19:39 |
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| superdan | I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying | 19:40 |
| superdan | but we have an exclusion list of db migrations that we don't require tests for, | 19:40 |
| superdan | like the placeholder ones | 19:40 |
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| mriedem | i think we're talking about different things | 19:41 |
| mriedem | i'll just post to the dev list and sean can enlighten me when he's back | 19:42 |
| mriedem | there are other problems in this change that have to be addressed until then anyway | 19:42 |
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| melwitt | zzzeek: hi, I was wondering if you could suggest a workaround for this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/sqlalchemy-migrate/+bug/1552351 I'm trying to enable fk constraint enforcement in sqlite for unit/functional tests | 19:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552351 in sqlalchemy-migrate "sqlite alter table messes foreign keys" [Undecided,New] | 19:46 |
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| zzzeek | melwitt: during a migration or during tests? | 19:47 |
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| melwitt | zzzeek: during tests, but we have some tests that do migrations, it got tripped up there http://logs.openstack.org/05/331305/1/check/gate-nova-python27-db/e6300b6/console.html#_2016-06-17_19_06_48_843531 | 19:47 |
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| melwitt | I wanted to check with you if there's any other option other than turning them off for migration tests | 19:48 |
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| zzzeek | melwitt: not likely. however is this a side effect of sqlalchemy-migrate's copy-and-replace scheme for SQLite tables ? | 19:49 |
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| zzzeek | i dont understand what "will also rename foreign key contraints from *other* tables to migration_tmp" means in the bz | 19:50 |
| zzzeek | that's a rename of a table | 19:50 |
| zzzeek | melwitt: for alembic, we require that pragma FKs is turned off for SQLite migrations. so i'd stick w/ that | 19:51 |
| melwitt | zzzeek: yeah, I don't really understand it, just that it sounded like the same issue in that this test is doing a table alter and it was fine before I enabled fk | 19:51 |
| melwitt | zzzeek: okay, thank you! | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | melwitt: SQLite's developers are actively opposed to the idea of schema migrations and all of our tools are just badly trying to work aroudn it. ideally nova and no other openstack project would use migrations for sqlite during tests, just create_all | 19:52 |
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| stewie925 | hi all - am wondering how we can determine which Nova command invokes a Nova API rest method? | 19:53 |
| melwitt | zzzeek: okay, good to know | 19:53 |
| mriedem | i've officially decided to quit and take up turnip farming | 19:53 |
| mriedem | stewie925: nova --debug ... | 19:53 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: why turnips? Do they grow well in rochester? | 19:54 |
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| stewie925 | thank you mriedem | 19:58 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: because i imagine turnip farming has been perfected over thousands of years | 19:58 |
| mriedem | so i don't have to ask wtf? | 19:59 |
| mriedem | it's just, this is how you do turnips | 19:59 |
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| cfriesen | so I just noticed something interesting....we do not allow a single instance to overcommit CPU or RAM against itself, but we do allow it to overcommit disk. Does that make sense? | 20:00 |
| doffm | I'm sure I've seen a bug for this. | 20:06 |
| doffm | *goes searches for a bug. | 20:06 |
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| melwitt | cfriesen: have you seen this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242251/ | 20:07 |
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| cfriesen | melwitt: no, but isn't that the whole point of overcommit, that we allow committing more than the total available free space? Following the example of the RAM filter we would only disallow it if the instance asked for more than the total disk space | 20:17 |
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| cfriesen | melwitt: but it's definitely related to the issue...will take a closer look | 20:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the linuxnet options (4) https://review.openstack.org/275423 | 20:18 |
| mriedem | cfriesen: i'm assuming the disk overcommit gets a pass b/c of the failure to accurately report shared storage? | 20:18 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: yeah, it took me awhile to understand the patch and how it works with overcommit | 20:18 |
| mriedem | cfriesen: jaypipes would probably know about it | 20:19 |
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| cfriesen | mriedem: if we did a simple check analogous to the RAMFilter, it'd just be "don't let a single instance take more than the total storage space on this hypervisor, regardless of overcommit" | 20:20 |
| cfriesen | The patch melwitt pointed at is looking at host_state.free_disk_physical_mb, not the total available storage | 20:20 |
| cfriesen | so it's more strict | 20:20 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: what do you mean by total available storage, total available on the hypervisor? | 20:21 |
| cfriesen | melwitt. yes, total storage available for instance root disk, ephemeral, swap, etc. | 20:22 |
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| melwitt | I thought that's what the patch is doing, adding a new attribute to track that because before, it was taking the min() between that and a calculated storage value that subtracts overcommit | 20:22 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: I just pointed out what appears to be a mismatch between comment and code in that patch | 20:23 |
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| cfriesen | melwitt: it looks like he's using compute.disk_available_least, which I think is how much space would be available if all the instances used all the space they were allocated. Which I think sort of defeats the purpose of the overcommit ratio, no? | 20:24 |
| doffm | cfriesen: Seems to. | 20:24 |
| melwitt | andrewbogott: are you around? | 20:24 |
| andrewbogott | melwitt: I am! What's up? | 20:25 |
| doffm | cfriesen: This seems wrong. Free disk mb < request. | 20:25 |
| melwitt | okay, I thought disk_available_least was the actual space used, which could be more than what the flavors disk total is with COW | 20:26 |
| doffm | Blocks all overcommit. | 20:26 |
| * andrewbogott reads backscroll | 20:26 | |
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| melwitt | actual space available, I mean | 20:26 |
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| andrewbogott | It's been a few months since I thought about that patch… my intent was certainly to check the physical available space | 20:28 |
| melwitt | the names of existing variables are really confusing, IMO | 20:29 |
| cfriesen | I think you could just compare against the existing "total_usable_disk_gb" | 20:29 |
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| doffm | Which is what the ram filter does. | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: WIP - Accept multiple hosts for live migration https://review.openstack.org/327809 | 20:29 |
| melwitt | total usable includes used though | 20:29 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: yes | 20:29 |
| doffm | They are totally confusing. I mean free available totally used free. | 20:30 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: it does for the RAM FIlter too | 20:30 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: the intent of the check is to prevent an instance from overcomitting against itself. once you start looking at resources consumed by other instances then you're looking at overcommit relative to other instances, which is a different issue | 20:30 |
| melwitt | okay ... I guess I was thinking if usable includes used then it will be as though the entire hypervisor is free, which wouldn't solve the problem of scheduling to a full host | 20:31 |
| cfriesen | so there should be several checks: 1) is the instance bigger than the host can physically provide, if so then disallow it. 2) does the instance fit once factoring in overcommit ratios and free space | 20:31 |
| doffm | So if you have 16gb of ram total you cant put a 32 gb instance on it even with a 2x overcommit. | 20:31 |
| doffm | But you can put 3 8gb instances. | 20:31 |
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| cfriesen | doffm: exactly | 20:32 |
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| melwitt | cfriesen, doffm: so this value you're saying is instances using all the space? I didn't see how https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/utils.py#L410 | 20:37 |
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| melwitt | it is subtracting overcommitted for available_least https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L5199 | 20:39 |
| melwitt | sigh ... need to go back through all of this | 20:40 |
| andrewbogott | Older versions of my patch just used compute.free_disk_gb | 20:40 |
| andrewbogott | Is it possible that this confusion is just due to a sloppy merge on my part? | 20:41 |
| andrewbogott | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242251/5/nova/scheduler/host_manager.py | 20:41 |
| andrewbogott | Or is compute.free_disk_gb /also/ not the value I want? | 20:41 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: to be analogous to the RAMFilter and CPUfilter you should check whether the instance is trying to get more than the _total_ resource, not the free amount | 20:41 |
| melwitt | andrewbogott: no, I think jaypipes asked you to change it to available_least IIRC | 20:41 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: I think it should be: if host_state.total_usable_disk_gb < requested_disk: | 20:42 |
| cfriesen | any checks against the "free" space are not about overcommit against itself, which is what the comment talks about | 20:43 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: I think that's like you said, the first step. he's trying to solve a host that began as a candidate when all the space was free but now isn't because of taken up space | 20:43 |
| andrewbogott | melwitt: here's a bit of history: I originally wrote a patch that let me specify minimum % free to prevent the scheduler. Basically "You can overprovision but if you hit xx% full then for god's sake stop" | 20:43 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: right, that's a separate issue from overcommit against itself. | 20:43 |
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| andrewbogott | Someone (I don't remember who) pointed out that the other filters (e.g. RAM) already did that but rather than allowing a user-specified ratio they effectively capped at "one more full instance" | 20:44 |
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| andrewbogott | Which fixed my particular concern, more or less, so I tried to mirror the RAM filter code | 20:44 |
| andrewbogott | From my point of view, it's just drawing an arbitary line: "This host is pretty much full so stop scheduling, even if the commit ratio gets you good numbers" | 20:45 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: that % full check *should* be the disk overcommit ratio, as long as those calculations are correct. (which for a long time they were not) | 20:45 |
| andrewbogott | I don't know if that clarifies | 20:45 |
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| doffm | andrewbogott: Yeah, that is not really what the checks in the core and ram filters are doing. | 20:45 |
| doffm | If you look later in the disk filter function the 'if not usable_disk_mb >= requested_disk:' check happens. | 20:46 |
| melwitt | okay, so none of the filters do a check for literal free resources? | 20:46 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: that's later...separate from the "overcommit against itself" check | 20:46 |
| mriedem | shite | 20:46 |
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| mriedem | the massive config option centralization thing has it's foibals | 20:47 |
| andrewbogott | melwitt: my experience was that they did not. So that a host could have a 100% full physical disk, but if the overcommit ratio said it wasn't committed for 140% it would go ahead and schedule | 20:47 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: so how does it schedule to a full host if it ever checks the literally free space? | 20:47 |
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| mriedem | we probably should have had a job that listed deprecated options before and after a change to make sure the diff didn't change | 20:47 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309239/6/nova/conf/libvirt.py@60 | 20:47 |
| lascii | mriedem: I was out for your earlier riddle re: sample tests, but I responded on the ML | 20:47 |
| auggy | mriedem: mtreinish: if you started with beets and switched to turnips, you could say would have to turnip the beets | 20:48 |
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| mtreinish | auggy: haha | 20:49 |
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| cfriesen | melwitt: I think there are still holes in the disk filter checks (we had some patches against kilo, haven't checked yet if they're needed on mitaka). But the "don't overcommit against yourself" should be checking the total disk space, not the free disk space. Later on we should check if there's room for this instance after factoring in used space and overcommit and such. | 20:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Hicher proposed openstack/nova: Purge soft-deleted instances cmd https://review.openstack.org/331350 | 20:50 |
| mriedem | auggy: as in, turn up the beats? | 20:51 |
| mriedem | auggy: that is not something i would ever say | 20:51 |
| andrewbogott | To clarify, we should check if there's room for this instance WITHOUT factoring in overcommit | 20:51 |
| auggy | but you *could* | 20:51 |
| cfriesen | andrewbobott: for the "don't overcommit against yourself" test, yes. | 20:51 |
| mriedem | auggy: never | 20:51 |
| auggy | or if your beats were particularly large, you could say you have fat beets | 20:51 |
| mriedem | auggy: i might say, turn up the jams | 20:52 |
| auggy | ooh beat jam | 20:52 |
| auggy | beet jam rather | 20:52 |
| auggy | i wonder if turnip jam is a thing | 20:52 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: (sorry, can't spell). Later on we'd probably *also* want to check against the available space, factoring in overcommit, space stored by qcow backing store files, etc. | 20:52 |
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| andrewbogott | cfriesen: I'm sorry, I'm not following. | 20:53 |
| andrewbogott | Can you give me an example? | 20:53 |
| andrewbogott | Or, actually — here's a different question | 20:54 |
| andrewbogott | Suppose a host's drive is literally, physically full | 20:54 |
| andrewbogott | but the overcommit ration still says there's space | 20:54 |
| andrewbogott | Where is the code that prevents us from scheduling on that box? | 20:54 |
| doffm | andrewbogott: There isn't any. | 20:54 |
| doffm | You schedule to it. | 20:54 |
| andrewbogott | ok! | 20:54 |
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| andrewbogott | And, do we agree that that's a bad thing? | 20:54 |
| doffm | That is what your overcommit tells you to do. | 20:54 |
| andrewbogott | So that's a "not agree"? | 20:55 |
| doffm | No I agree. | 20:55 |
| doffm | Disk overcommit is different to RAM and vCPU. | 20:55 |
| doffm | Go over limits there and there isn't really a problem. | 20:56 |
| doffm | Go over actual disk limits and the build will fail. | 20:56 |
| melwitt | right | 20:56 |
| andrewbogott | ok, great, happy to hear that :) | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Re-deprecate use_usb_tablet config option https://review.openstack.org/331353 | 20:56 |
| doffm | So there should be THREE checks in this file. | 20:57 |
| andrewbogott | So… (I'm going back to the beginning here, sorry) | 20:57 |
| melwitt | disk should have extra stuff in it bc of that | 20:57 |
| andrewbogott | What should we consider 'too full for more scheduling'? | 20:57 |
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| mriedem | lascii: 20 seconds per test or just the test class itself | 20:57 |
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| andrewbogott | One option is: we need at least (requested size / overcommit size) | 20:58 |
| lascii | mriedem: the test class. 8 tests | 20:58 |
| andrewbogott | another option is we need at least (requested size) | 20:58 |
| melwitt | but what I'm thinking is, if we need to check actually available space in the end, how is the "don't overcommit against yourself" total usable space check useful? | 20:58 |
| mriedem | lascii: ok | 20:58 |
| doffm | Not the instance disk size. Imagine you have an instance that has a requested disk of 400gb. | 20:58 |
| mriedem | not as bad then | 20:58 |
| andrewbogott | another is we need at least (user-specified %) | 20:58 |
| doffm | And you only have 200gb actually free. | 20:58 |
| doffm | You should probably still schedule there. If you have a big overcommit. | 20:58 |
| mriedem | lascii: superdan: also, we should get this in, super easy https://review.openstack.org/331353 | 20:58 |
| mriedem | so we don't lose the removal window | 20:58 |
| andrewbogott | ok… so you're voting for (requested size / overcommit size) | 20:58 |
| doffm | I guess i am. | 20:59 |
| doffm | But I haven't thought about it too much. :) Maybe just a configurable limit. | 20:59 |
| andrewbogott | (For my purposes, that sounds like living on the edge, basically setting up a host to immediately crumble as soon as any instances grow. But your argument is nonetheless logically sound :) ) | 20:59 |
| superdan | mriedem: why was it undeprecated? | 20:59 |
| andrewbogott | doffm: Hah! A configurable limit was what I request in the original bug | 20:59 |
| doffm | Oh. :) | 20:59 |
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| andrewbogott | lemme see if I can dig up that patch | 21:00 |
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| lascii | superdan: it seems it was accidentally undeprecated when the option moved to a central location | 21:01 |
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| superdan | lascii: ah | 21:02 |
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| andrewbogott | doffm: so, check out patchset 4, and comments there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242251/4 | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack/nova: WIP Make InstanceGroup object favor the API database https://review.openstack.org/330995 | 21:04 |
| mriedem | superdan: goof up | 21:05 |
| superdan | aye | 21:05 |
| doffm | andrewbogott: Ok, will review. | 21:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Image: add create_from_image & create_from_func https://review.openstack.org/318948 | 21:06 |
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| andrewbogott | doffm: of course, I may still be checking the wrong value in that patch, since… a dozen variables with indistiguishable names, etc. | 21:06 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: So I see a number of checks: 1) is the instance asking for more space than physically exists. (this is the "don't overcommit against yourself" check) | 21:08 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: by 'exists' you mean, total disk size, not free space, correct? | 21:09 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: yes. 2) is there enough space to run the instance given the current image size in the free space available, assuming the instance doesn't grow | 21:09 |
| cfriesen | and 3) once we factor in the disk overcommit ratio, is there enough space for this instance and all the other instances to fit in the disk | 21:10 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: the second one is tricky though because you could probably still run the instance even if you don't have free space > image size in a lot of cases | 21:10 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: how would 2) pass but 3) fail? | 21:10 |
| andrewbogott | Would it be with an overcommit ration of <1.0? | 21:10 |
| cfriesen | melwitt: if you don't already have the backing file on that hypervisor then you're going to have to download it, and it's going to consume space equal to the image size | 21:11 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: if you already have the backing file downloaded, then the incremental cost of an instance is basically nothing until it starts writing to its disk | 21:11 |
| melwitt | cfriesen: okay, I thought that meant the requested disk size. you mean only the image size | 21:11 |
| doffm | Jeez, working out what the 'least' value means in the libvirt code is not fun. | 21:11 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: assuming qcow2 here | 21:12 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: ok, I see what you're saying. So 2) should really check the image size against available disk space | 21:12 |
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| melwitt | doffm: tell me about it! | 21:12 |
| andrewbogott | (this, presuming we have any idea what available disk space is) | 21:12 |
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| andrewbogott | or does it need to be smarter, determine w/not the image is already present? | 21:13 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: yes, and ideally for qcow2 we should check whether we've already got the backing file cached or not | 21:13 |
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| andrewbogott | cfriesen: ok, I follow what you're saying now | 21:13 |
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| cfriesen | the theoretical max size consumed by N qcow instances is sum(unique backing files) + sum(instance flavor disks) | 21:14 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: your scheme doesn't allow for slack of any kind, but maybe that's an unrelated issue? | 21:14 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: thats where the ratio comes in. you want more slack, lower the ratio | 21:14 |
| andrewbogott | so... | 21:14 |
| cfriesen | or maybe you need a separate "slack" config option | 21:14 |
| cfriesen | :) | 21:14 |
| cfriesen | oh, and just to make things interesting, for some reason we have a backing store file for swap disks. | 21:15 |
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| andrewbogott | So, here's my gut reaction: Improving our scheduling math so that we hit 100% capacity on the nose is not a useful goal. | 21:16 |
| doffm | Ok, so the least value is saying "How much space would we have free if all servers suddenly took up all their allocated disk space". | 21:16 |
| andrewbogott | 100% capacity + overprovision > 1.0 = immediate disaster | 21:16 |
| cfriesen | doffm: that's my understanding | 21:16 |
| doffm | Which means cfriesen is probably right and the patch is currently blocking overcommit. | 21:16 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: So, you've outlined a useful way to hit 100% on the mark, but that's not a thing we want to do | 21:16 |
| andrewbogott | (as I understand it, if overcommit == 1.0 then the scheduler already works properly, hits 100% on the mark, and everyone is happy) | 21:17 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: so add in a "slack" config option. We currently run with no overcommit, and don't ever want to run out of disk. We had to patch kilo to properly handle things, haven't checked Mitaka yet. | 21:18 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: So, I propose that I revive the early version of my patch (explicit slack) | 21:19 |
| andrewbogott | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242251/4 | 21:19 |
| andrewbogott | and create a different bug about scheduling precision | 21:20 |
| cfriesen | andrewbogott: I think your current patch has some usefulness too, just change it to look at the total disk space instead of free. | 21:20 |
| doffm | cfriesen: +1 | 21:20 |
| andrewbogott | cfriesen: ok — at which point it will be a first approximation of goal 2) ? | 21:20 |
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| doffm | andrewbogott: Yeah, the issue is really the use of the 'least' rather than 'really_free' | 21:21 |
| cfriesen | no, goal 1 | 21:21 |
| andrewbogott | Ah! Yes, ok, I remember 1 | 21:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Rawlin Peters proposed openstack/os-vif: Ensure the OVS bridge exists when plugging https://review.openstack.org/330818 | 21:21 |
| andrewbogott | so I will be accidentally fixing a problem that never occurred to me, I can live with that :) | 21:21 |
| andrewbogott | stay tuned... | 21:21 |
| cfriesen | :) | 21:21 |
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| cfriesen | andrewbogott: that will make it be exactly analogous to the "don't overcommit against yourself" checks in the cpu/ram filters | 21:22 |
| * andrewbogott nods | 21:22 | |
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| doffm | Yay! | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | what's up with this? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/setup.cfg#L41 | 21:40 |
| mriedem | i guess vestigial? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240159/3/setup.cfg | 21:41 |
| mriedem | didn't we already drop all of the ERT stuff? | 21:42 |
| superdan | probably vestigal | 21:43 |
| superdan | like your tailbone | 21:43 |
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| mriedem | i still use mine | 21:45 |
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| andrewbogott | cfriesen, doffm, melwitt: I have to run, but ^ should implement the against-yourself scheduling issue. I had to tweak a couple of out-of-band tests and I'm not entirely sure I didn't render them incorrect. | 22:06 |
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