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| eliqiao | hi morning, does anyone know when can I find danbp (Daniel Berrange), I have a libvirt spec review request. | 00:04 |
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| eliqiao | hi morning, does anyone know when can I find danbp (Daniel Berrange), I have a libvirt spec review request. | 00:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Giridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/nova: tests: fix false positive in test_set_host_enabled* https://review.openstack.org/290919 | 00:24 |
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| yonglihe | d_code: if the problem is you want use full of PCI device or PF, i know the where is the problem , hope to help you, the NUMA code in the filter prevent the PF allocate, for some reason or bugs. this might the problem you running into. | 01:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox in tests/unit/objects/test_instance_info_cache https://review.openstack.org/307155 | 02:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox in tests/unit/objects/test_security_group https://review.openstack.org/307135 | 02:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jinquan Ni proposed openstack/nova: Code flow problem in wait_for_job https://review.openstack.org/320750 | 03:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jinquan Ni proposed openstack/nova: Code flow problem in wait_for_job https://review.openstack.org/320750 | 03:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Xu proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 policy rules https://review.openstack.org/320751 | 03:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Xu proposed openstack/nova: Remove all the policy check points from ComputeAPI and SecurityGroupAPI https://review.openstack.org/320752 | 03:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tina Kevin proposed openstack/nova: instance can not resize ephemeral in mitaka In mitaka, boot an instance with ephemeral disk, then resize the instance, but ephemeral disk.eph0 is not resized. This patch update resize code for ephemeral disk.eph0. https://review.openstack.org/320759 | 03:22 |
| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/nova: check ryu change can work https://review.openstack.org/320760 | 03:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 03:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox in tests/unit/objects/test_instance_info_cache https://review.openstack.org/307155 | 06:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Save migration context only in the context of an Instance.save() https://review.openstack.org/320677 | 06:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: One db call to save instance extra field https://review.openstack.org/320679 | 06:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Save instance numa topology only in the context of an Instance.save() https://review.openstack.org/320678 | 06:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: Fix instances with unicode symbols logging https://review.openstack.org/320564 | 06:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yuiko Takada Mori proposed openstack/nova-specs: Ironic serial console support https://review.openstack.org/319507 | 07:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox in tests/unit/objects/test_instance_info_cache https://review.openstack.org/307155 | 07:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hiroyuki Eguchi proposed openstack/nova-specs: Versioned notification for keypairs https://review.openstack.org/300942 | 07:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/nova: Return 400 HTTP error for invalid flavor attributes https://review.openstack.org/313234 | 07:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Yuiko Takada Mori proposed openstack/nova-specs: Ironic serial console support https://review.openstack.org/319507 | 07:43 |
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| bauzas | good morning Nova | 07:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dao Cong Tien proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from unit/api/openstack/compute/test_serversV21.py https://review.openstack.org/320821 | 08:00 |
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| bzurawski | Hello | 08:09 |
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| bzurawski | Do you also have problem with unit tests for keypairs in Nova ? | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/303345 | 08:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anh Tran proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox stubs in api/openstack/compute/test_server_reset_state.py https://review.openstack.org/320826 | 08:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Bartek Żurawski proposed openstack/nova: Fix issue with not removing rbd rescue disk https://review.openstack.org/314928 | 08:24 |
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| bauzas | bzurawski: could you paste us the trace ? | 08:26 |
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| bzurawski | bauzas: I've reported it's as bug | 08:26 |
| bzurawski | you can check it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1585515 | 08:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585515 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Paramiko doesn't work with Nova" [Undecided,New] | 08:26 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: cool | 08:26 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: lemme try to reproduce it on my venv | 08:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Support FICON-attached ECKD volumes on System z https://review.openstack.org/320832 | 08:29 |
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| bzurawski | bauzas: oki :) | 08:32 |
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| bauzas | bzurawski: the test succeded locally | 08:32 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: lemme check the versions I pulled | 08:32 |
| bauzas | I got paramiko==2.0.0 | 08:33 |
| bzurawski | bauzas: yeah, me too, and on my side it's broken :( | 08:33 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: sec, was on a branch which was 1 day old | 08:33 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: pulling the latest master | 08:34 |
| bzurawski | bauzas: yeah, i'm doing it also, because I'm working on change, and probably also have old branch | 08:34 |
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| bauzas | okay, latest master with latest paramiko wfm, so I'm going to invalid the bug :/ | 08:35 |
| bauzas | bzurawski: ^ | 08:36 |
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| bzurawski | bauzas: oki, so I'm checking on my side, sorry for this | 08:36 |
| bzurawski | :/ | 08:36 |
| bauzas | no worries, logging a bug is totally the right approach, thanks for this | 08:36 |
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| bauzas | bzurawski: I'm jumping into a call, but feel free to ping me again if you can't fix your dev env | 08:37 |
| bauzas | I'll just respond async | 08:37 |
| bzurawski | bauzas: oki, thanks :) | 08:37 |
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| bzurawski | lyarwood_: Hi, do you have a moment ? | 08:40 |
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| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: hey morning, yeah | 08:46 |
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| PaulMurray | good morning | 08:49 |
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| bzurawski | lyarwood_: cool, I changed my approach for this unrescue thing, can you check this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314928/4 and tell me what do you think ? | 08:52 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: there is workflow -1 because if you like it i want to talk about one more thinkg | 08:52 |
| bzurawski | thing | 08:52 |
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| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: sure, I'll look this morning, mdbooth ^ you might be interested in this as well | 08:54 |
| mdbooth | Thanks for the heads up | 08:54 |
| mdbooth | My favourite kind of diffstat: | 08:55 |
| mdbooth | 2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 352 deletions(-) | 08:55 |
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| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: imagecache? | 08:56 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: Yeah | 08:56 |
| lyarwood_ | \o/ | 08:56 |
| mdbooth | Not all of it :) | 08:56 |
| mdbooth | Quite a lot, though | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: Fix wrong watermark state during live migration https://review.openstack.org/279616 | 09:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: oomichi: not sure I understand all the deletes in that v2 legacy test drop: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313192 | 09:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova-specs: Use finite machine in migration process https://review.openstack.org/320849 | 09:11 |
| tangchen | johnthetubaguy, PaulMurray: Hi John, Paul, I posted a spec for the migration state machine BP. Please help to review when you have time. Thank you very much. :) | 09:11 |
| tangchen | https://review.openstack.org/320849 | 09:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 09:21 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: Which branch / code version did you use? | 09:27 |
| markus_z | bzurawski: Looks like the ansible folks had something similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1576755 | 09:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1576755 in openstack-ansible trunk "Paramiko 2.0 does not work with Nova" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Carter (kevin-carter) | 09:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: oomichi: there is a nasty policy issue we should discuss around this patch, maybe in the API meeting later: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320752 | 09:29 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: Could you check if you already have this commit? https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/c05b338f163e0bafbe564c6c7c593b819f2f2eac | 09:36 |
| paul-carlton | bzurawski, you might be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131/ | 09:38 |
| paul-carlton | doesn't impact the fix you are doing because you still need to delete the disk.rescue, good spot that that was broken for rbd | 09:39 |
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| paul-carlton | Also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310505/ will impact this area | 09:40 |
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| bzurawski | markus_z: i have branch that is a bit old, that's why i need to pull master, and recheck, because like bauzas check everything is working at least on his side :) | 09:47 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: well, I can no reproduce it on master... | 09:53 |
| markus_z | s/no/now | 09:53 |
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| bzurawski | markus_z: you can reproduce it !? | 09:54 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: yep | 09:54 |
| bzurawski | markus_z: do you have logs ? | 09:54 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: http://paste.openstack.org/show/505343/ | 09:56 |
| bzurawski | bauzas: hmm, are you sure that everything was ok, on your side ? | 09:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add libvirt perf event https://review.openstack.org/319513 | 09:56 |
| markus_z | I have to say that tox installed only paramiko 1.16 at first | 09:56 |
| bzurawski | markus_z: yep, same like on my side | 09:56 |
| markus_z | I updated it in the venv to 2.0 | 09:56 |
| bzurawski | markus_z: hmm, and have you try to downgrade it to 1.16 and recheck ? | 09:57 |
| bzurawski | I need to test it | 09:57 |
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| markus_z | Yeah, my first test wit 1.16 was without failures | 09:57 |
| markus_z | after the update to 2.0 it has the failure you mentioned | 09:58 |
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| markus_z | What confuses me is, that I don't find this error message in logstash | 09:59 |
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| markus_z | And the unit tests from the gate use paramiko 2.0 and *don't* fail: http://logs.openstack.org/97/296597/9/check/gate-nova-python27-db/940c558/console.html | 10:00 |
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| bzurawski | markus_z: strange, you're using latest code version ? | 10:02 |
| markus_z | oh man, wait, I was on stable/mitaka which was pinned to 1.16 ... | 10:02 |
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| markus_z | rechecking on master | 10:03 |
| bzurawski | markus_z: oki | 10:04 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: No it's running OK: http://paste.openstack.org/show/505344/ | 10:06 |
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| markus_z | bzurawski: Despite the odd error message which doesn't break the test... | 10:06 |
| * markus_z is going to lunch, checking that later | 10:06 | |
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| bzurawski | markus_z: HA, when i switch to paramiko 1.16 everything is working | 10:11 |
| bzurawski | strange, i need to pull master, and recheck it | 10:11 |
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| d_code | yonglihe: still around? | 10:24 |
| d_code | saw your note about the NUMA code | 10:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Save all instance extras in a single db call https://review.openstack.org/305437 | 10:36 |
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| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: hi, about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313902/ | 10:39 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: we have already a nice reno about api-paste.ini on https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/releasenotes/notes/remove-legacy-v2-api-7ac6d74edaedf011.yaml | 10:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: could we update it to mention the required paste.ini changes? | 10:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: just gives folks a hit on what to check | 10:40 |
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| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: ah, nice point. the commit message is very clear about api-paste.ini like https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/5a64f5782452d59d6ac25379a2420585e861af5a | 10:42 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: but the reno is not so clear. | 10:42 |
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| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: ok. I will add something into the existing reno :) | 10:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: no worries, thank you :) | 10:43 |
| d_code | anyone here done a full pci passthrough of a NIC in Mitaka? I’m not looking for neutron virtual functions, but giving hardware control to a VM | 10:47 |
| d_code | nova-compute sees the hardware in my whitelist (it’s in the database), but the scheduler doesn’t match against the alias | 10:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 10:53 |
| lxsli | sdague: do we still have to update requirements.txt if we've already updated global-reqs.txt please? | 10:53 |
| sdague | lxsli: the bot will propose it in for consistency | 10:54 |
| lxsli | sdague: ah great, thanks | 10:54 |
| sdague | but the tests largely don't need it | 10:54 |
| sdague | once upper-constraints is set in g-r, we'll be testing with that version | 10:54 |
| lxsli | Also please could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280851 ? | 10:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove APIRouter of legacy v2 API code https://review.openstack.org/313902 | 10:55 |
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| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: ^^^ just updates the reno | 10:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: awesome, thank you | 10:57 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: :) | 10:57 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: since matt is out, I'll bug you, does this really need a spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319507/4/specs/newton/approved/ironic-serial-console-support.rst | 11:02 |
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| sdague | lxsli: do we have a specless blueprint tracking the mutable config for nova? | 11:02 |
| sdague | mostly, I was wondering if we've got some place where we've discussed which things are going to be mutable in nova | 11:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: feels like single driver impact, I don't remember why we would say that needs a spec, needs a specless blueprint at a minimum though | 11:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed openstack/nova: [POC]libvirt: add perf event support when create instance https://review.openstack.org/320897 | 11:03 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: so just update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-serial-console-support with "the ironic virt driver will call endpoint x in ironic"? | 11:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: yeah, I mean if there are any gotchas, its worth including them | 11:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: but this is just exposing what ironic's API already knows right? | 11:06 |
| eliqiao | hi sdague johnthetubaguy, can you help to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319513/ , I just submited a POC patch for easy understand the spec :) | 11:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Jianghua Wang proposed openstack/nova-specs: XenAPI: support VGPU via passthrough PCI https://review.openstack.org/280099 | 11:07 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yeah, it depends on us making a console driver that's compatible with (novnc, I think?) | 11:07 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, let us talk about those remove policy check patch in the api meeting | 11:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: hmm, for serial, I thought we just outputted the text via the API | 11:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: ack | 11:08 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: well, there's console-log, this is interactive console | 11:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: oh, gotcha | 11:08 |
| jroll | (AIUI) | 11:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: as you can tell, console is kinda a blind spot for me, really | 11:09 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: ditto, I just saw how anemic that spec was and was wondering why it's a spec :) | 11:09 |
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| oomichi_ | alex_xu: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313902? that is not any changed on the code after your +2 once | 11:11 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: just changes reno | 11:11 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: I just +2ed seconds before | 11:11 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: thanks ! :) | 11:11 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: :) | 11:12 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: we are close to remove legacy code completely :) | 11:12 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi_: yeah! | 11:12 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: updated the whiteboard here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-serial-console-support | 11:19 |
| jroll | those are reviewed during meetings, yeah? anything else I should do there? | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | they need to get submitted to the meeting, adding them in the agenda, AFAIK | 11:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Rename Image.check_image_exists to Image.exists() https://review.openstack.org/270998 | 11:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Remove image cache image verification https://review.openstack.org/320910 | 11:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shimon Benattar proposed openstack/nova: testing a push https://review.openstack.org/320911 | 11:25 |
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| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: free for a quick chat about the imagebackend? | 11:31 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood_: I was just about to head out. Can it wait a bit? | 11:32 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yup of course, np. | 11:32 |
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| bzurawski | lyarwood_: so if you have a minute, can we talk a little bit about unrescue ? | 11:51 |
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| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: sure however mdbooth just dropped offline for a while, if you wouldn't mind waiting until he's back I'd rather wait as it appears I've made a few incorrect assumptions about the imagebackend | 11:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova: NOT-FOR-MERGE: Dummy change to exercise live migration CI job https://review.openstack.org/319934 | 11:54 |
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| bauzas | just a reminder, there is a Townhall about the future of Design Summits happening now https://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 11:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: Change password response code changed https://review.openstack.org/306442 | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: Add async reponse code to evacuate https://review.openstack.org/305950 | 11:58 |
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| bzurawski | lyarwood_: sure, I can wait :) | 12:03 |
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| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: cool thanks | 12:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova: Fix "KeyError: u'instance_id'" in string format operation https://review.openstack.org/320930 | 12:03 |
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| lxsli | sdague: nope, I'll create one now | 12:03 |
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| lxsli | sdague: there hasn't been any discussion, I'm open for ideas | 12:04 |
| sdague | lxsli: so... it seems like we probably want a spec for which config options we should make mutable | 12:05 |
| sdague | because I feel like that discussion is going to be easier to have all in one place, instead of across a bunch of patches one at a time | 12:05 |
| lxsli | sdague: we have a lot of config options | 12:05 |
| sdague | lxsli: we do | 12:05 |
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| sdague | and I think we should take it slow in making things mutable so that we are sure we understand what's changable and why | 12:06 |
| sdague | so a spec for newton proposing a set of high priority things to be changed to mutable, would be good | 12:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration argument from live migration operations https://review.openstack.org/295316 | 12:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM post operations https://review.openstack.org/295315 | 12:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Remove block_migration from LM rollback https://review.openstack.org/292826 | 12:07 |
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| lxsli | Maybe do it by functional area, EG a spec for live migration, a spec for scheduler? | 12:07 |
| sdague | we'll assume that's a relatively small number. It will get the infrastructure in | 12:07 |
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| sdague | lxsli: maybe in the next cycle. I'd much rather get a few non controversial bits in to exercise the framework, then go through some of these other changes. | 12:08 |
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| lxsli | sdague: OK | 12:08 |
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| tdurakov | sdague, kashyap hi, any updates for xenial issues with gate64? | 12:19 |
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| kashyap | tdurakov: Good timing | 12:19 |
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| kashyap | tdurakov: I just setting up DevStack on Xenial | 12:20 |
| lxsli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/mutable-config | 12:20 |
| kashyap | tdurakov: Meanwhile, I pinged libvirt migration devs, they seem to be busy and haven't responded yet. | 12:20 |
| tdurakov | kashyap: acked, ping me please if you find any, same will do I | 12:20 |
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| kashyap | tdurakov: Sure, I'll share what I find. | 12:21 |
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| sdague | tdurakov: I wrote an email to the list describing the current state | 12:24 |
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| sdague | pretty much needs libvirt people engaged, but I think danpb is on vacation this week | 12:25 |
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| kashyap | sdague: Yes, he's away. I've pinged a migration dev about it - and he asked if I could reproduce it on upstream | 12:25 |
| kashyap | I'm in the process of doing that | 12:26 |
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| kashyap | I'll respond once I find something. | 12:26 |
| tdurakov | sdague: yes, seen thread, problem described pretty accurate imo, thanks | 12:26 |
| sdague | kashyap: ok. seems weird that no one on that team can confirm the translation for cpus should or should not be there in 1.3.x, but such it is. | 12:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Gleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: Fix wrong watermark state during live migration https://review.openstack.org/279616 | 12:28 |
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| paul-carlton | johnthetubaguy, per my message on mailing list, who is the xen driver guru I need input from re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131/ | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: me or BobBall I think | 12:31 |
| paul-carlton | any thoughts? | 12:31 |
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| kashyap | sdague: I only asked one dev on IRC, and even he seems to be not around -- hard to ping people when they're not around. | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: same thing I said before, I can't see how it could work with XenAPI given how its currently implemented, let me double check... | 12:32 |
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| sdague | kashyap: is it better to open a bugzilla here? | 12:33 |
| sdague | instead of things being lost in the ether | 12:33 |
| paul-carlton | I was wondering if unrescue taking the hard reboot approach to re create instance from nova db would work on xen ? | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: so it would be super messy basically, because there are two VM records in the XenAPI database, the regular VM, and a new rescue VM: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vmops.py#L1637 | 12:33 |
| kashyap | sdague: The moment I'm done with testing locally, I'll file one. | 12:34 |
| kashyap | sdague: Yes, Bugzilla is effective this way. | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: similar to the two xml files, I think | 12:34 |
| kashyap | sdague: I'll link here once I file it | 12:34 |
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| sdague | kashyap: you've got a smaller test case for libvirt only that doesn't need openstack, right? | 12:34 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: I think this could be interesting for you https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320416/ | 12:35 |
| kashyap | sdague: Yes, there should be some test case that I could find after grepping | 12:35 |
| kashyap | sdague: Meanwhile | 12:35 |
| paul-carlton | so in libvirt case, when you migrate instance libvirt/qemu just copies the disks so the libvirt.xml.rescued xml get's left behind | 12:35 |
| kashyap | sdague: The function qemuBuildCpuModelArgStr() seems to build the CPU model in libvirt/src/qemu/qemu_command.c | 12:35 |
| sdague | kashyap: no, I mean, I assumed you were writing a small test case for this | 12:36 |
| paul-carlton | I got round that by not producing it and using a call to the drivers hard reboot method to reconfigure the instance from the nova db on inrescue | 12:36 |
| paul-carlton | unrescue rather! | 12:36 |
| kashyap | sdague: I'm trying to figure how the hell does it get CPU definitions from QEMU, and then it is running cpuDecode(). I don't know this code area well. | 12:36 |
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| sdague | kashyap: right, so honestly, I wouldn't focus on that | 12:36 |
| sdague | I'd focus on a small bash script that reproduces this with libvirt | 12:37 |
| paul-carlton | The XenAPI db is local to each compute node? | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: its local to each compute node | 12:37 |
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| BobBall | XenAPI DB is in the hypervisor and we have one nova compute node per hypervisor. Not really 'local' but still 1:1 | 12:37 |
| paul-carlton | and xen does not copy details to target? | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: we could totally do the same thing, store the old disk config, and re-configure it, etc, its just more complex | 12:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot https://review.openstack.org/209581 | 12:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: it copies all the details of the VM, but with rescue there are two VMs | 12:38 |
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| kashyap | sdague: I know -- the simplest case would be to build a VM with that CPU model, without OpenStack | 12:38 |
| kashyap | sdague: I'm doing that | 12:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: I mean two VMs, logically speaking, in the database, just like the two XML files I think | 12:38 |
| paul-carlton | note I'm not storing old config, I just rescue it, i.e. configure it to boot off rescue image then unrescue by hard reboot | 12:38 |
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| andrearosa | sdague: when you have time I need your help in understanding a strange behaviour in unit test. | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: the same fix works, its just extra effort | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: I guess what I mean is, it will need modifications to work | 12:39 |
| paul-carlton | extra as in worse than libvirt or extra as it would need to be done for xen? | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: extra as in for xenapi | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | currently rescue shares code with the rebuild and boot, so it is a total re-write of rescue that is requreied | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and unrescue) | 12:40 |
| tdurakov | sdague: do you mean smth like virt-install? or the full suite with xml creation first? | 12:41 |
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| paul-carlton | I'd be happy to undertake this if it would help move this forward, just need to work out how to build a xen devstack for testing or do we leave it as is (maybe for now) and use driver capabilities to prevent live migration of rescued instances on xen | 12:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: it doesn't really work with devstack as you might expect, as you need a XenServer install | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: I don't think it should block your efforts though | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: we can have a virt driver capability, and get folks to add the XenAPI change as an independent effort, but your help with that I sure would be very appreciated | 12:44 |
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| BobBall | How much work is it to add the XenAPI capability? | 12:44 |
| BobBall | We might be able to offer support in adding that capability to the current patch sets in real time | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its a re-write of rescue and unrescue to not create a new VM, its not that hard really | 12:45 |
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| paul-carlton | Thanks, but the offer stands to have a go at xen driver assuming I can build a test env any guidance on how to create such a test setup would be useful? | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: rescue is done as a new VM, but you it could be do by re-wring the block devices | 12:45 |
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| BobBall | paul-carlton: Sure - there is a guide at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/DevStack | 12:46 |
| paul-carlton | you have to reboot the instance to bring it up on rescue image so the 'new VM' approach is reasonable I think | 12:46 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: In a nutshell, I'd recommend "Install XenServer with 'Optimised for XenDesktop' (EXT3 filesystem) and then run https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citrix-openstack/qa/master/install-devstack-xen.sh pointing to that XS installation | 12:47 |
| PaulMurray | tangchen, I looked at the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320849/ | 12:47 |
| PaulMurray | tangchen, it looks good to me, but it proposes making the states consistent | 12:47 |
| paul-carlton | unrescue would need to be re implemented to build instance again from nova db, like hard reboot? | 12:48 |
| PaulMurray | tangchen, that will be a change visible through the API so it does need this spec. | 12:48 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: You can install XenServer in VirtualBox if you have enough RAM (we tend to use 8GB for the XS+DevStack install) - but if you have a physical machine it's better | 12:48 |
| sdague | tdurakov: well, honestly, even simpler than that | 12:48 |
| sdague | I think you should be able to have a libvirt config | 12:48 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, re tangchen's spec above ^^^ | 12:48 |
| sdague | a libvirt xml for a guest | 12:48 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: DevStack in the XenServer world runs as a virtual machine, so if you're going the VirtualBox route you will end up with nested virtualisation which is a joy. | 12:48 |
| sdague | and virsh start on it | 12:48 |
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| sdague | I'm not even convinced you need a real image, I don't think it gets that far | 12:48 |
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| sdague | andrearosa: fire away | 12:49 |
| paul-carlton | I have spare baremetal in my cube but prefer to use vmware workstation machines, I assume that would work, my main machine has 96gb memory and loads of disk | 12:49 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: One thought I have is whether (after Independent Compute spec) we can have a small pool of XenServer 'hosts' available which can be connected to by any developer who wants to repro on a real XenServer host :) | 12:49 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I might be in and our for the nova api meeting, there is a plumber here right now | 12:49 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: Should do, although I've never tried. Just make sure you can pass through virtualisation extensions and you should be golden | 12:50 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, got it | 12:50 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: Feel free to pm or email me (openstack@citrix.com) if you have questions about getting XS+OpenStack set up | 12:50 |
| paul-carlton | vmware does nested virtualization, should I update the spec to say we will implement this for xen too and start a separate implementation patch for that work | 12:51 |
| paul-carlton | ? | 12:51 |
| * BobBall looks to johnthetubaguy for his advice on that one :) | 12:51 | |
| * alex_xu remindes nova-api meeting in 9 mins | 12:51 | |
| andrearosa | sdague: i want to put some pdb to debug unit test and I noticed that the tests are failing becasue we do not have an expected option in config, precisely the "api_class". The root cause of this, I think is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309614/4. To fix it I added a from nova import keymgr in tests/unit/conf_fixture.py. What I don't understand is that if I run the single test with tox everything | 12:52 |
| andrearosa | works, what's the magic? | 12:52 |
| sdague | jichen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311727/13/api-ref/source/parameters.yaml@726 ... I think we shouldn't have a ? in our parameters description | 12:52 |
| paul-carlton | garyk1, replied to ML message, vmware doesn't do live migration between compute nodes yet but they have a patch for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270116/ | 12:52 |
| sdague | andrearosa: because python unit tests.... | 12:52 |
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| jichen | sdague: you are right, it's typo ,will fix it | 12:52 |
| sdague | andrearosa: remember, all unit tests in a worker are running in a single python process | 12:53 |
| sdague | so every time something imports, that's there for all future tests | 12:53 |
| sdague | it's probably that that one test isn't properly isolated | 12:53 |
| kashyap | tdurakov: Yes, you can set CPU model from `virt-install` when importing a disk image into libvirt. | 12:53 |
| paul-carlton | My reading is that if that lands we can just switch on the supports_live_migrate_rescued setting in vmware driver capabilities and we have a full house! | 12:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: yeah, its probably a good call to keep the XenAPI implementation in there (note, not Xen as that usually implies libvirt+xen) | 12:54 |
| sdague | so doesn't really handle it's own load correctly | 12:54 |
| sdague | when run in a group, some other test that runs before it does what is needed for it to work | 12:54 |
| paul-carlton | I believe hyperv does not support rescue so no issue there? | 12:54 |
| andrearosa | sdague: ok thanks for the explanation so I think I should put a patch for importing the missing keymgr from conf_fixture | 12:54 |
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| andrearosa | sdague: 'cause when it works it works as a "side-effect" | 12:55 |
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| sdague | andrearosa: yes | 12:55 |
| sdague | every test should run on it's own, when it doesn't, we should fix that | 12:55 |
| andrearosa | sdague: excellent, thanks | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | paul-carlton: hmm, not sure, I thought it did, but claudiub should be able to confirm | 12:56 |
| claudiub | hi | 12:57 |
| claudiub | reading. | 12:57 |
| claudiub | we support nova-rescue | 12:57 |
| claudiub | the patch merged on sunday | 12:57 |
| claudiub | :) | 12:57 |
| paul-carlton | ah I looked a older code than that! | 12:57 |
| paul-carlton | So how about live migration of rescued instances? | 12:58 |
| sdague | yeh, I think when I reviewed the spec I didn't find hyperv, but that was friday :) | 12:58 |
| sdague | claudiub: \o/ for rescue merging | 12:58 |
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| claudiub | \o/ | 12:58 |
| paul-carlton | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131/ | 12:58 |
| claudiub | ty. :) | 12:58 |
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| ekhugen | Auggy, I saw your reply about mentoring on the listserv, are you saying that for nova you'd prefer that we not assign individual mentors? | 12:59 |
| garyk1 | paul-carlton: yes, that is what i wroute - the live-migration patches are not approved. | 12:59 |
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| claudiub | didn't test live-migration of rescued instances, but I can check. | 12:59 |
| paul-carlton | garyk1, So if my change | 13:00 |
| paul-carlton | lands before yours then you would need to amend the | 13:00 |
| paul-carlton | "supports_live_migrate_rescued" capabilities flag to True in your | 13:00 |
| paul-carlton | driver to permit live migration of instances in a rescued state, correct? | 13:00 |
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| markus_z | sdague: I found the root cause behind https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320930/ Do you have a minute to discuss a possible fix? | 13:00 |
| * alex_xu reminds nova-api is running | 13:00 | |
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| sdague | markus_z: in a bit maybe, api meeting and plumber right now | 13:01 |
| markus_z | sdague: OK, I'll wait | 13:01 |
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| garyk1 | paul-carlton: your change will most probably land prior to the vmware-live migration change. i am willing to bet you a beer at the next summit :) | 13:03 |
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| sdague | garyk1: is there a spec up for the vmware live migration work? | 13:04 |
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| sdague | it looks like that was asked for over the winter | 13:04 |
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| garyk1 | sdague: i am not sure. i need to check with rado. he is on pto. | 13:04 |
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| garyk1 | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299207/ | 13:05 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: FYI, CPU usage for mkfs.ext3 is minimal; bottleneck is IO usage which will be the same whether the disk is attached in dom0 or domU | 13:06 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Do you still have concerns? | 13:06 |
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| sdague | garyk1: ah, cool | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: api-ref verify of servers-admin-action.inc https://review.openstack.org/311727 | 13:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: that fine, do you think its worth doing nice anways? | 13:09 |
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| paul-carlton | johnthetubaguy, BobBall for DevStack and XenServer is Ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 best? | 13:10 |
| BobBall | paul-carlton: We've not switched to 16.04 yet; go with 14.04 :) | 13:10 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Not really. ionice _might_ be useful, but I'm not sure if it'd take any effect since all the IO is going through tapdisk | 13:11 |
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| paul-carlton | ta | 13:14 |
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| PaulMurray | sdague, are you familiar with the console proxies ? | 13:18 |
| sdague | PaulMurray: not hugely | 13:19 |
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| PaulMurray | sdague, its kind of api related in a way (ish) | 13:20 |
| PaulMurray | I want to add an instance UUID to the query string in the URL returned for console proxies | 13:20 |
| PaulMurray | I can't see why that would be a problem but looking for a second opinion | 13:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Bob Ball proposed openstack/nova-specs: XenAPI: Support Nova services independently from the hypervisor https://review.openstack.org/277452 | 13:21 |
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| sdague | PaulMurray: we're not going to trust that value, right? | 13:22 |
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| PaulMurray | sdague, no, dot really | 13:23 |
| PaulMurray | sdague, no more than the token | 13:23 |
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| PaulMurray | sdague, the reason is to do with cells | 13:24 |
| PaulMurray | sdague, the token is used to find the compute node at the moment, but if we put the proxy connection info for an instance in the cell | 13:24 |
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| PaulMurray | database we wont be able to find it only knowing the token. | 13:25 |
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| PaulMurray | if I add the instance uuid we can map to the cell and check the token | 13:25 |
| PaulMurray | if any of that is wrong you just don't get the console | 13:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Booth proposed openstack/nova: Remove image cache image verification https://review.openstack.org/320910 | 13:30 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | gmann: ping | 13:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot https://review.openstack.org/209581 | 13:38 |
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| dane-fichter | mdbooth: What do you think about the idea of pushing the signature verification up to the fetch method? | 13:40 |
| dane-fichter | mdbooth: that way, cached images get verified before boot, but the ImageCacheManager isn't involved at all | 13:40 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter: I thought it was already in there in the patch you posted? | 13:40 |
| mdbooth | i.e. in the glance download() method | 13:41 |
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| dane-fichter | mdbooth: right, it's in the download() method, but that only triggers when Nova has to pull the image from Glance right? | 13:41 |
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| mdbooth | Yes | 13:41 |
| mdbooth | Are we thinking of the same fetch method? | 13:42 |
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| dane-fichter | mdbooth: I'm saying we could remove the code in the download() method, push it up to the fetch() method, and then we'd be covered in both the cache case and the Glance case | 13:42 |
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| dane-fichter | mdbooth: maybe not, hold on I'll look at Nova | 13:42 |
| * mdbooth thinks | 13:43 | |
| mdbooth | So, if we're downloading from glance, we're ultimately going to call that glance download method | 13:43 |
| mdbooth | pretty sure | 13:43 |
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| mdbooth | So I personally think that's the right place for that part of the puzzle | 13:43 |
| mdbooth | Also, we should probably default it to be on | 13:43 |
| mdbooth | Am I I'm right in thinking it's not expensive? | 13:44 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: back. sorry my company's vpn client is garbage | 13:45 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: hehe, np. What's the last thing I said? | 13:45 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: you were *thinking* about how the download() method works | 13:45 |
| mdbooth | Yeah, so I think there's 2 parts of the puzzle | 13:46 |
| mdbooth | The download side | 13:46 |
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| mdbooth | And I think we have that covered | 13:46 |
| mdbooth | I was saying I think we could default it to be on | 13:46 |
| mdbooth | Assuming it's not expensive | 13:46 |
| mdbooth | It's not expensive, right? | 13:46 |
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| dane-fichter_ | well it's a strong hash and an asymmetric crypto option, and you have to have a key manager deployed to use it | 13:47 |
| mdbooth | Anyway, the question of doing end-to-end verification of the image the user boots is separate | 13:47 |
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| dane-fichter_ | I don't think signature verification will be defaulted to on, but hopefully more security-conscious people will use it | 13:48 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: you had a +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312757/ in case you wanna reapply it for a nit (RequestedDestination rename to Destination) | 13:48 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Pretty sure the expensive bit of that is going to be reading the physical bits, and we're already doing that for download. Assuming it's not expensive to actually acquire and verify the signature I think it will be essentially free. | 13:48 |
| mdbooth | That's my expectation anyway. | 13:49 |
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| mdbooth | As to end-to-end verification, I think we need a really clear use case | 13:49 |
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| mdbooth | If the user switches this on, *exactly* what are we promising them? | 13:49 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: performing the strong hash is pretty taxing too. we're talking about a sha-256 over a bigass disk image | 13:50 |
| mdbooth | In terms that the user is interested in | 13:50 |
| dane-fichter_ | ah ok | 13:50 |
| dane-fichter_ | that's in a couple of our other specs, but I can add that to the image cache verification spec to clear it up | 13:50 |
| aspiers | does anyone happen to know if nova scheduler filters get passed any context (e.g. in the RequestSpec object) about the nature of the request, e.g. whether it was a standard instance creation request vs. "nova evacuate" or other action? | 13:51 |
| mdbooth | I think we might be able to promise them that we've checked the signature of the image the instance boots from. | 13:51 |
| aspiers | I couldn't see any likely candidate in the RequestSpec class, but I could have easily missed something | 13:51 |
| bauzas | aspiers: not really | 13:51 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: you had commented that we should be basically avoiding the image cache to do that. | 13:51 |
| aspiers | bauzas: presumably it would be fairly easy to add? | 13:51 |
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| mdbooth | But as dansmith points out, even with that in place we're offering essentially no defence against a user who can read and/or modify the filesystem of a compute host | 13:52 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: as in, solving the issue of verifying cached images without dealing with the image cache directly | 13:52 |
| bauzas | aspiers: well, the scheduler should not really need that tbh | 13:52 |
| aspiers | bauzas: there is the *possibility* of a valid use case for the scheduler needing to know it, although I am not convinced personally yet | 13:52 |
| bauzas | aspiers: why do you want to have a difference in between a move operation and a boot from the scheduler point ? | 13:52 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: that assumes that the compute host and the image cache are on the same machine | 13:53 |
| aspiers | bauzas: not move, but evacuate - the use case is hypervisor reservation for recovery from emergency failures | 13:53 |
| bauzas | I mean, the scheduler has a resource question, and it provides a destination for that question | 13:53 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: The image cache, by design requirement, is accessible as a local filesystem from the host machine | 13:53 |
| aspiers | bauzas: so that you could guarantee automated recovery from hypervisor host failure, even when the cloud is nominally at 100% capacity | 13:53 |
| bauzas | aspiers: I don't think segregating evacuations vs. other calls could be good IMHO | 13:53 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: hmm ok. I thought you could plop a URL in that field as well. | 13:54 |
| mdbooth | And even if they can access only the image cache because they only have filesystem access, all bets are still off for many other reasons | 13:54 |
| bauzas | aspiers: it's a capacity problem, right? | 13:54 |
| dansmith | aspiers: nova has pretty much disavowed "100% capacity" as a viable use case we care about | 13:54 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: which reasons are those? | 13:54 |
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| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Because it's on the same filesystem as local disks | 13:54 |
| bauzas | aspiers: in case you want to force an evacuation, then provide an host (and then once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315572/10 merged, add force) | 13:54 |
| mdbooth | Meaning you can also poke instances directly | 13:54 |
| bauzas | aspiers: you would then not check the scheduler | 13:55 |
| aspiers | yeah, it's a capacity thing. NTT are pushing for this use case, and I'm trying to understand how valid it is | 13:55 |
| dansmith | aspiers: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/project_scope.html#iaas-not-batch-processing | 13:55 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: ah yes. this is the sticking point for dan as well | 13:55 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: If an attacker gets filesystem access, we're hosed. | 13:55 |
| edleafe | aspiers: in an evacuate, wouldn't the compute service for the bad host be disabled? | 13:55 |
| edleafe | aspiers: so the scheduler would never select it | 13:56 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: I agree that there's alot of damage they could do. Isn't having an alerting mechanism better than the alternative? | 13:56 |
| aspiers | edleafe: yes, it would get disabled. avoiding selecting the bad host is not the problem here though | 13:56 |
| mdbooth | It's a lot of work and complexity for an essentially arbitrary slice of the problem. | 13:56 |
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| edleafe | aspiers: ah, I misunderstood what you were describing | 13:56 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: Granted, it can be disabled, but doesn't having it increase the odds of detection? | 13:56 |
| mdbooth | I'd say no. | 13:56 |
| dansmith | dane-fichter_: the problem is the alerting mechanism is easily thwarted with someone that has the power to do the modification :) | 13:56 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: I disagree about the complexity of it, but the narrowness is understood | 13:57 |
| aspiers | dansmith: any chance of a URL I can quote re that disavowal? | 13:57 |
| dansmith | aspiers: I just pasted you one | 13:57 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: That's not to say that there isn't a valid use case related to this, though. | 13:57 |
| aspiers | doh | 13:57 |
| dansmith | aspiers: middle paragraph of that section | 13:57 |
| aspiers | dansmith: thanks :) | 13:57 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: haha are you saying that you can think of one, or that, in the infinite space of use cases, there's probably one that applies? | 13:58 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Hehe, trying not to be vague and failing :) | 13:58 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: I'm pretty sure there's more we can promise the user here. | 13:59 |
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| mdbooth | The download-only case doesn't cover nova and glance on rbd, which is a common deployment | 13:59 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: I agree. I'd like some stronger verification for cached images | 13:59 |
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| mdbooth | I personally think that if we checked the image signature at download time and put it in the cache, we should consider it good forever more | 14:00 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: Is there any other way to do this you can think of? I'd be happy to draft the spec and write the code | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | sdague: Kevin_Zheng i'm thinking of whether we should enable hard stop for rebuild, shevle also. | 14:00 |
| dane-fichter_ | dansmith: ^ | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | Because under any scenario where that's not true, we're hosed anyway | 14:00 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: it really feels to me like we want a 'kill' | 14:00 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: under any scenario where the images aren't downloaded? | 14:00 |
| sdague | DELETE used to be 'kill' but then people wanted it to wait for the OS | 14:00 |
| sdague | and now people want a kill again | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: No, under the image cache scenario | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague: if we have kill, that won't works for shelve and rebuild those action include a stop of instance | 14:01 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: why won't it? | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | So I think your existing verify during download patch completely covers the image cache case. | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | We checked it, we put it somewhere safe, we trust it. | 14:02 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: oh I see. missed your previous comment | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: kill sounds like you will stop the shelve and rebuild action totally | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess for a particular image, folks are say kill is the only thing that works, so don't bother waiting for the soft kill to timeout | 14:02 |
| Kevin_Zheng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234219/ I dont see where this is overlaped? | 14:02 |
| mdbooth | I wonder if we can do similar for the case where the image never touches the cache | 14:02 |
| mdbooth | Because with that in place, we can tell users that they can have a degree of confidence that the image they boot is the one they expect | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: honestly, I also agree that people want a kill | 14:03 |
| mdbooth | Even if, for eg, the source location of that image is an external fedora image repo | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: although I get why we defaulted to soft shutdown, it was mostly boot from volume being more popular | 14:04 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: well that's tricky since we're relying on the metadata that Glance gives for the signature | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: api-ref: os-consoles.inc https://review.openstack.org/317536 | 14:04 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: But that's user-provided, right? | 14:04 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: yes. provided on upload to glance | 14:04 |
| mdbooth | We're trusting that glance still has the same metadata we gave it. | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrea Rosa proposed openstack/nova: Fix unit test after the replace of key manager https://review.openstack.org/321011 | 14:04 |
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| mdbooth | I think that's valid. | 14:04 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: yes, but it's a signature. you can't fake it unless you've got valid keys / certs | 14:05 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: and if an attacker has those images are the least of our problems | 14:05 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: sdague: how to kill? | 14:05 |
| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: sdague: and how to start again after kill? | 14:06 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: the change that comes to mind related to uploading an image from another source is that the end user specifies the signature properties as part of the create request. | 14:06 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: but that's a pretty gnarly API change | 14:07 |
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| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: I'm not a glance person. Does glance calculate the signature or is it just passed in? | 14:07 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: just passed in. Creating a signature requires a private key. The end user has this and it is never loaded to the cloud. | 14:08 |
| kashyap | sdague: tdurakov: I can even reproduce with upstream libvirt -- I'll file a bug, with CPU driver logs -- we don't have the log filter for CPU driver enabled in the Gate, I'll submit a quick fix to add that too -- to catch future cases such as this. | 14:08 |
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| kashyap | s/Gate/DevStack/ | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack/nova: Allows modification of user_data in server PUT request https://review.openstack.org/261680 | 14:09 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: the security of the signature scheme comes from the fact that you can verify using the public key (stored in the key manager) but can't create the signature without the private key | 14:09 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: I should go read your download patch in more detail. Not sure I understand how it's currently verifying the image. | 14:09 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: ok. feel free to e-mail me directly or ping me with questions. | 14:10 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Ok, confusion over :) | 14:10 |
| dane-fichter_ | ha! that was quick | 14:10 |
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| mdbooth | To verify an image you need: the bits, the signature, a public key with trust chain? | 14:10 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: kill means kill. There is no start afterwards | 14:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/nova: Set node's resources unavailable if no ports associated https://review.openstack.org/321014 | 14:11 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: yes. and some metadata about what hash / key type and all that jazz | 14:11 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: yes, but for stopped instances we can start them again | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | right. | 14:12 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: and for hard and graceful stop, the user is choosing how the instance is being stoped | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Ok, I still think it comes back to use case. What assurance are we giving the user about their instance? That assurance can't refer to the image cache, because the user doesn't know anything about the image cache. With that in place, we can tie ourselves in knots thinking about how close we can get to it, and what the caveats are. | 14:13 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: and no matter which way the user choose, it will be a stopped instance, and it can be started again. | 14:13 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: the use case is that the end user wants cryptographic assurances that the image they uploaded is the same when they boot it | 14:14 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: I think our user demand is different from kill | 14:14 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: the change was just intended to ensure that the path from storage to instance has a signature check | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Ok, cool. The only blip there is the rbd case, then. As I said above, I think the image cache case is already covered off by the check on download. | 14:15 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: alright thanks. I appreciate you candor about the image cache stuff. people in openstack sometimes are shy about telling you your idea is unnecessary haha | 14:16 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: can you elaborate on the rbd use case? I'm not familiar with that | 14:17 |
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| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: what is your user demand? | 14:17 |
| sdague | if you force something off, you should assume your disks are inconsistent and you can't start up again | 14:18 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: mdbooth hey, can we talk about imagebackend ? | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: Yup, gimme a minute to finish yup | 14:18 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: oki, great :) | 14:18 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: yes, but that will be the users' to decide | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Have a look at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317694/6/nova/virt/libvirt/imagebackend.py | 14:19 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: the current default way will try 10 times before a force shutdown | 14:19 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: honestly, no. I don't think every possible micro action on servers needs to be supported | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: So this is new code, not currently in use, but it's a much more readable refactoring of the existing code | 14:19 |
| sdague | if you really want fast kill, that's because you don't care about the disks | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | Using this means I don't have to show you 5 nested callbacks :) | 14:19 |
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| sdague | because you built the servers to be able to build a new one fast | 14:19 |
| sdague | which is cool | 14:19 |
| mdbooth | Anyway, look at create_from_image, which is how create create a backend disk from an image | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | Notice that in this case (Rbd) the first thing we do is try to clone it directly from glance | 14:20 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: so by kill you mean delete the instance directly? | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | Then, if that doesn't work, we look in the image cache | 14:20 |
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| mdbooth | That's the blip | 14:20 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: yes. Kill immediately, don't wait for anything. | 14:20 |
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| sdague | I think a force-stop is basically just going to cause user tickets | 14:21 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: so why do we have a hard reboot? | 14:21 |
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| sdague | because we used to add actions like they were going out of business :) | 14:21 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: can I ask you about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234219/ (you mentioned 'kill' there) ? | 14:22 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: doesn't the clone from glance part include the download() method? | 14:22 |
| Kevin_Zheng | we can add warnings about possible disk losses | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | kashyap, sdague as issus is in master, I'd start thinking of the workaround for the CI | 14:22 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: tenant-user can't see the log | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Nope. It looks for a glance location in an rbd pool it can use | 14:22 |
| sdague | right, who do you think you are warning and how? | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | And if it's there, it does rbd voodoo to use it directly in place | 14:23 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I mean in the doc and help message of this option | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | Nothing is ever downloaded | 14:23 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: ooh. ok. yeah i'll look into this. | 14:23 |
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| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: so I'm pretty sure I'm -1 for this for newton, it makes things more complicated, opens up more failure domains | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | dane-fichter_: Looks niche, but I think around 60% of openstack deployments use ceph. | 14:24 |
| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: I'll send this up the chain and see what I can do. Throwing in a little signature verification check should be pretty easy actually | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | In practice, I think this is probably the common case. | 14:24 |
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| dane-fichter_ | mdbooth: good to know. Thanks for your time | 14:25 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: alex_xu: I'm sorry but I missed nova-api meeting today. is it suitable to ask you about our reviews in e-mail? or there is another way? | 14:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: ... OK, BTW can you have a quick review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318592/ I'm working on removing deprecated CLI options for novaclient and this has blocked the way for a week | 14:26 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: sure will do | 14:26 |
| sdague | andrey-mp: sure, we can talk now | 14:26 |
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| alex_xu | andrey-mp: or you just ask at here | 14:26 |
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| andrey-mp | cool\ | 14:26 |
| Kevin_Zheng | thanks | 14:26 |
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| andrey-mp | is it possible to merge modification of user data review this cycle? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261680/ | 14:27 |
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| sdague | andrey-mp: well first you need to resolve johnthetubaguy's -2 | 14:27 |
| sdague | did you discuss with him? | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its just a process -2 really, as the blueprint is not approved | 14:28 |
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| andrey-mp | sdague: not yet. will try to ask him (or will try to understand what loadtests is and implement it) | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so generally not a massive fan of folks polling the metadata service for updates, but I guess people do that already | 14:29 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, it seems like a path forward to move that back to a -1 or 0 would be good | 14:29 |
| andrey-mp | johnthetubaguy: spec merged into previous release - should I move it to current and create review? | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I can, I don't normally remove -2 till the blueprint is approved | 14:29 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: honestly, I think any changes to metadata service probably need to include a prereq for functional testing of it | 14:30 |
| sdague | which there is none | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, its gone way too long without it | 14:30 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, that's fine to keep the -2, I just wanted to make sure there was a clear path forward | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:31 |
| andrey-mp | could you explain me what we should do for +2? :) | 14:31 |
| andrey-mp | its not very clear for me | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrey-mp: so to get the blueprint approved, it looks like the spec needs re-submitting for newton, see: https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs#previously-approved-specifications | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrey-mp: the blueprint is currently not approved for newton | 14:32 |
| andrey-mp | johnthetubaguy: thanks! its clear | 14:32 |
| moshele | dansmith: hi | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the spec it says there will be functional tests needed | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that was sdague's concern about the current code patch | 14:33 |
| dansmith | moshele: hi | 14:33 |
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| andrey-mp | ok, will do too | 14:33 |
| moshele | dansmith: can you review again the pci patches? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ludovic Beliveau proposed openstack/nova-specs: Improve usability of booting guest with SR-IOV https://review.openstack.org/304564 | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrey-mp: actually, this doesn't change the metatdata service, I would just look at other microversion patches, you can see from those the tests that are normally added | 14:34 |
| dansmith | moshele: I've been keeping an eye on them and I will get back to them but.. there's lots to review | 14:34 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: another thing, what do you think about the BP that adds pagination for instance-actions and migrations? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240401/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239869/ | 14:34 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | can those go for newton? | 14:34 |
| moshele | dansmith: ok cool, thanks | 14:34 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: yeh, I think so. I'll follow up for sure on those. | 14:35 |
| sdague | I wrote an email that says we should always allow limit / marker adds | 14:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: Hmm, OK | 14:35 |
| andrey-mp | johnthetubaguy: thank you. I will going to do this after resubmitting a spec | 14:35 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095545.html | 14:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: yes I saw that | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrey-mp: sounds good, thank you | 14:36 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: alex_xu: one more question about specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234219/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234269/ is it possible to merge them into current release? | 14:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Thanks | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | alaski: just a question from johnthetubaguy, if you could comment that one please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315572/6/nova/compute/api.py | 14:37 |
| sdague | andrey-mp: I have concerns with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234219/ | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I was just confirming the answer really | 14:38 |
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| sdague | because I don't want to saw that the nova state model has to be exactly the ec2 state model | 14:38 |
| sdague | and I feel like lock lets you emulate this via the ec2 api, and unlock / do / lock the server for operations you want to allow through that lock doesn't (yes there is a small race, but it should be small) | 14:39 |
| sdague | s/saw/say/ | 14:39 |
| sdague | and I would much rather have shutdown-termination not be an attribute, but an action like 'kill' | 14:40 |
| bauzas | dansmith: just a rolling upgrade question for you given https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317049/14//COMMIT_MSG | 14:40 |
| sdague | because it feels like you should know when you want things to die off | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: while we're still both updating the legacy mem/cpu/disk fields and providing new inventories, it means we should wait for all computes doing that until we modify the sched ? | 14:41 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: can you point me to description of 'kill' spec ? or is it already implemented feature? | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: I was thinking we were using the ComputeNode facade for aggregating this ? | 14:41 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: mdbooth so do you have a moment ? :) | 14:41 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: Yup | 14:42 |
| sdague | andrey-mp: no, we were discussing it in the context of the discussion with Kevin_Zheng | 14:42 |
| dansmith | bauzas: right, we can't enable the scheduler filter until we know they're all done | 14:42 |
| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: hey, back sorry | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: Just looking at that patch in more detail. | 14:42 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: ok, i'll try to read and understand your discussion... | 14:42 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: any idea why we don't have a remove() method in the imagebackend? | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: I was wondering about that just yesterday. | 14:43 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood_: We've got cleanup functions for lvm and rbd | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | Which cleanup by instance | 14:44 |
| bauzas | dansmith: that's because we migrated the inventories to the API DB and then not possibly having an aggregated facade for those fields ? | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | And for other stuff, I guess we're doing disgusting direct file operations like this | 14:44 |
| lyarwood_ | yeah | 14:44 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: i'm not agree with using 'lock' to implement disable_termination - many side effects for me... but I can't explain my thoughts right now. Will do this in review later. | 14:44 |
| sdague | andrey-mp: sure, lets do it in the review | 14:44 |
| dansmith | bauzas: if I understand what you're saying then yes.. because we can't replace the current query with an efficient unified one across both places.. because they're now in separate DBs | 14:44 |
| sdague | but realize, making nova act just like ec2 is not actually anyone's goal | 14:45 |
| andrey-mp | sdage: thank you! | 14:45 |
| bauzas | yeah that's what I asked, thanks for clarifying | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: driver._cleanup_rbd() and driver._cleanup_lvm() | 14:45 |
| sdague | allowing a reasonable ec2 compat layer is, but that means that we're not going to have exact behavior | 14:45 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yeah and that's horrid, can't we just throw this into a cleanup or remove method in the image classes? | 14:45 |
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| mdbooth | So, we at least theoretically know exactly what rescue disks we created | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | However, that's hidden behind the wart which is _create_image | 14:46 |
| andrey-mp | sdague: then we should cleanup nova from these artefacts in this case. We just want to use current implementation of these two flags via REST API. | 14:46 |
| sdague | andrey-mp: there is lots of cleanup we should do | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: I feel like we should know exactly which rescue disks we created, and delete them | 14:46 |
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| mdbooth | Individually | 14:47 |
| sdague | just because bits exist inside nova doesn't mean we want people using them :) | 14:47 |
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| andrey-mp | sdague: because nova still has them... and they very suitable for our mission :) | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anna Babich proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Functional tests for server's description https://review.openstack.org/321031 | 14:48 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: I can't think how we would track that when resucing an instance | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: Well we don't need to track it, right? | 14:48 |
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| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: sorry I thought that is what you were suggesting | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | We know what it is. Why would it change? | 14:48 |
| bauzas | dansmith: sorry, following up on that... | 14:49 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: right, it shouldn't, so we should be able to find and remove them | 14:49 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: by 'which rescue disks we created' you mean name of this rescue disk ? | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | s/find/know what they are/ | 14:49 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: So in driver.rescue we call _create_image() with a suffix of .rescue | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | which creates a deterministic set of disks | 14:50 |
| bauzas | dansmith: now that computes report both legacy cpu/ram/disk and new inventories, we could still have a scheduler host_manager that would check first if there is an inventory and then failback to the legacy value for cpu/ram/disk ? | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | We should be able to unwind that | 14:50 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: yeah, exactly and base on that we theoriticaly should know name of rescue disk | 14:50 |
| dansmith | bauzas: that would be extremely expensive right? | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: Yup | 14:50 |
| bauzas | dansmith: talking of https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/host_manager.py#L210 to get more context | 14:50 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: and using that we can remove it when unrescue | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | Of course, and here's a wart, that rescue disk won't have a bdm | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | So I can't store any persistent metadata about it :/ | 14:51 |
| bauzas | dansmith: idk, needing to think more of that | 14:51 |
| bauzas | that's already an expensive operation anyway, not sure it's getting that worst (to clarify) | 14:51 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: why you want metadata about rescue disk | 14:52 |
| bzurawski | ? | 14:52 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: it would be doing the same thing twice per load, and an in-python merge/filter of all the data | 14:53 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: I'm trying to move towards having metadata about all disks, so we never have to inspect them, or infer anything about them from context | 14:53 |
| mdbooth | Including their locations, for eg | 14:53 |
| dansmith | bauzas: have to step away for a few minutes, biab | 14:53 |
| * mdbooth has just realised that rescue disks violate that | 14:53 | |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: and according to removing we should also provide remove_image function to imagebackend, don't you think ? | 14:53 |
| bauzas | dansmith: k, will think more of that | 14:53 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: Yes, I think that makes sense. I'd just call it delete(), but in the grand scheme that's hardly important :) | 14:54 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: oki it can be delete() i was thinking about remove_image because there is already function create_image etc. nvm :) | 14:55 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: That's going away :) | 14:55 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski lyarwood_: I wonder, perhaps storing some metadata from rescue() in instance metadata or something? | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | Then on unrescue you just go get the list of disks you created, and delete them. | 14:56 |
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| mdbooth | Completely deterministic. | 14:56 |
| syjulian | Hi guys, I have a newbie question if anyone has the answer to it. I'm working on a low-hanging-fruit item which is to remove DictCompat from ovo's. I figured having methods like .items() and .update() would be useful plus the object[key] syntax. why are we removing them? | 14:58 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: IMHO that would be much better because than we just can get this metadata and based on that remove rescue for example | 14:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack/nova-specs: user_data modification https://review.openstack.org/321047 | 14:58 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: what you think ? | 14:58 |
| d_code | SamYaple: so, it seems that I’ve run into the bind mount of /dev for nova-compute now…were you able to work around that? | 14:58 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: but maybe storing this data in bdm, not in instance metadata ? | 14:58 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: Unfortunately there is no bdm for a rescue disk | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | So we can't store it there | 14:59 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: aaa, yes you're right sorry :/ | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, storing data about rescued images is another thing to migrate in live migration - something we are trying to avoid | 14:59 |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: At least if it was in instance metadata we wouldn't have to worry about that. | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | I think that's only an issue if we store it on disk. | 14:59 |
| lyarwood_ | sorry back, ./me reads | 14:59 |
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| cfriesen | My apache processes seem to have died overnight in my devstack...anyone know the right commands to start them back up? | 15:00 |
| mdbooth | cfriesen: If you go into screen, you should just be able to up arrow, enter, right? | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, at the moment rescue stores original instance xml - that's why we can't ive igrate rescued instances at the moment | 15:00 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yeah, that's a problem. Instance metadata shouldn't be a problem because it's in the db. | 15:01 |
| cfriesen | mdbooth: the "key" screen just tails the logs, I don't see a command to actually start apache | 15:01 |
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| sdague | cfriesen: it's just normal apache | 15:01 |
| sdague | just service apache2 restart | 15:01 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yeah instance metadata might work but that's going to be driver specific, would that be an issue? | 15:02 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, oh, got it - I'm thinking about instance data on local disk - barking up wrong tree | 15:02 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: I think he's going to want the as-yet-uncreated instance disk metadata object :/ | 15:02 |
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| cfriesen | sdague: thanks, that did it | 15:03 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: But that would also have zero backport potential. | 15:03 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood_ bzurawski: Guessing you want something backportable too, right? | 15:04 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: well that would be nice | 15:04 |
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| paul-carlton2 | claudiub, about to update my spec, did you get chance to checkout live migration of rescued instances in hyperv? | 15:06 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: lyarwood_ so is there any other way to store data about rescue other than metadata ? | 15:07 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_ bzurawski: Can I leave you to think that one through? From my POV I don't want any more 'if Rbd' blocks in driver, or special cases in imagebackend. | 15:07 |
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| mdbooth | Sounds like we need a delete method | 15:08 |
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| mdbooth | I'd like to see something in unrescue where we delete a known set of disks. | 15:08 |
| mdbooth | How we come up with that set of disks may not be completely ideal if we want something backportable. | 15:08 |
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| mdbooth | But that would be an improvement on what we have, so I guess it would be ok. | 15:08 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: oki, so lyarwood_ you have a moment to discuss ? | 15:09 |
| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: sure | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I was thinking about the admin_or_owner rule, where we don't have a target, that actual means "anyone", I guess? | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: well, any authenticated user | 15:10 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, remember alaski patched a bunch of policy at the end of cycle around that | 15:10 |
| claudiub | paul-carlton2: sorry, no. will do it later today. | 15:10 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: sorry, but other than saving info into instance metadata i don't see any other solution of storing info about rescue | 15:10 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280913/ | 15:11 |
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| bzurawski | bzurawski: maybe you have other solution ? | 15:11 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: ^ | 15:11 |
| lyarwood_ | bzurawski: well we should know what rescue disks were created when unrescuing given the instance configuration right? | 15:11 |
| bzurawski | lyarwood_: yep | 15:12 |
| paul-carlton2 | claudiub, thanks, pop me an email re outcome if you would pls? | 15:12 |
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| claudiub | paul-carlton2: sure thing. | 15:12 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski lyarwood_: If we don't store it, then we're relying at least on the local config not changing. I think that's probably an acceptable compromise. | 15:12 |
| mdbooth | We can maybe store it at some point in the future. | 15:13 |
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| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yeah you can't resize an instance during a rescue etc | 15:13 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood_: Thinking of values in nova.conf | 15:13 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: urgh | 15:13 |
| mdbooth | With persistent instance metadata you can change nova.conf and your instances carry on working | 15:14 |
| mdbooth | Currently they don't, though | 15:14 |
| mdbooth | So I think that's ok | 15:14 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: yeah that breaks alot | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I am getting confused here, I should reach out to alaski about that | 15:14 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: here is the thing | 15:14 |
| sdague | we have safe guards beyond policy | 15:14 |
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| paul-carlton2 | My suggestion was that we let bzurawski fix go in and refactor this in your work mdbooth | 15:15 |
| sdague | we don't let policy dictate the world | 15:15 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: +1 | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: agreed, policy is just allowing extra restrictions, I think | 15:15 |
| sdague | however, the policy file was super confusing to make people think that it did | 15:15 |
| paul-carlton2 | Adding rescue image to bdm is a good plan post your refactor | 15:15 |
| paul-carlton2 | or as part of it | 15:15 |
| sdague | so alaski fixed it so it was at least consistent | 15:15 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: I don't want to touch that right now, tbh :) | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, agreed on the consistency front, that was the right move | 15:15 |
| paul-carlton2 | so post | 15:16 |
| sdague | the fact that policy doesn't currently allow comments means ... you can't really tell people well that changing those to "everyone" won't work | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I do wonder if we should wait till we have the yaml stuff before we edit these | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | well I mean the policy defaults stuff | 15:16 |
| sdague | right, I think there is a bunch of "gawd policy is gross" | 15:17 |
| sdague | which just is really hard to fix right until we get all the defaults into code | 15:17 |
| sdague | so I don't want to spend time on that. I want to get the policy in code first, then we have options to fix it | 15:17 |
| paul-carlton2 | I see it as icing on the cake, a separate patch to follow the work your doing which will remove the inconsistency and demonstrate the value of this refactor | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: OK, I was thinking we agreed the opposite this morning, but that does sound way more sensible | 15:18 |
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| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: Yep, don't want to mix them up. Assuming this rescue fix can land before our stuff that is. | 15:18 |
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| paul-carlton2 | Sure, I expect the rescue fix to land soonish given it is a bug fix | 15:19 |
| lyarwood_ | paul-carlton2 / mdbooth ; just so I can follow along, which spec documents this stuff? | 15:19 |
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| mdbooth | lyarwood_: https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/approved/libvirt-instance-storage.rst | 15:20 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: thanks | 15:20 |
| paul-carlton2 | What I am suggesting is after your refactor we change rescue/unrescue to add/remove rescue image from bdm, will mean we can remove the inconsistent handling of rescue images | 15:20 |
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| mdbooth | paul-carlton2: Yup, completely agree. BDM specifically is a detail, but yes. | 15:21 |
| gibi | rlrossit: thanks for chairing the meeting yesterday | 15:22 |
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| mdbooth | The data needs to exist somewhere convenient. | 15:22 |
| mdbooth | diana_clarke: I'm going to make a minor change to get_func_output_path() | 15:23 |
| mdbooth | Rather than take the jumbled cache name as an argument, it's going to take the pre-jumbled name. | 15:24 |
| mdbooth | And do its own jumbling | 15:24 |
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| mdbooth | diana_clarke: i.e. Don't call imagecache.get_cache_fname() on the name argument to get_func_output() | 15:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Volkov proposed openstack/nova: Fix instances with unicode symbols logging https://review.openstack.org/320564 | 15:26 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: but maybe if we don't want to store metadata about rescue now, we can just use fact that in rescue there is _create_image which is creating rescue image always with suffix .rescue ? | 15:26 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: You're going to have to look through _create_image and come up with a reliable way to work out which images it creates | 15:27 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: Interestingly, I was actually going to make a change to _create_image anyway because of a bug Feodor described | 15:28 |
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| mdbooth | Really what _create_image is doing is enumerating images, and doing one of currently 2 things to them | 15:28 |
| mdbooth | It's currently either creating images, or verifying them | 15:29 |
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| mdbooth | Although both actions are performed by the same function call | 15:29 |
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| mdbooth | But still, the caller has the context to know which they want | 15:29 |
| mdbooth | I was going to make it explicit to close a bug where we currently guess wrong which is required | 15:29 |
| mdbooth | We could add a third action: delete | 15:30 |
| mdbooth | You wouldn't want it to be called _create_image, of course, but that's already a bad name | 15:31 |
| mdbooth | But you'd do something like _create_image(action=delete) | 15:31 |
| * mdbooth hasn't looked at that in detail, and may be talking crap | 15:31 | |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: so one way or another storing rescue info in instance metadata is the best option for now, for us right, or there is something else that I'm missing ? | 15:32 |
| rlrossit | gibi: it wasn't very hard, seeing as there were only 2 of us :) | 15:32 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: I think if the above change to _create_image works then you wouldn't have to store anything | 15:32 |
| mdbooth | Because the _create_image function should iterate through the same set of Image objects | 15:33 |
| mdbooth | assuming your local config is the same as it was when rescue() was called | 15:33 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: Does ^^^ sounds insane to you? | 15:33 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: aaa, and then when unrescue just invoke _create_image with correct parameter and is should do the job, right ? | 15:35 |
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| mdbooth | bzurawski: With caveats that I may be talking out of my arse, but yes. | 15:35 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth: it doesn't sound insane but I'd rather not call _create_image to remove things :D | 15:36 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood_: You'd obviously want to rename it :P | 15:36 |
| kashyap | tdurakov: sdague As promised, here we go: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1339680 It's being looked at... | 15:36 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1339680 in libvirt "libvirt CPU driver fails to translate a custom CPU model into something that QEMU recognizes" [High,New] - Assigned to libvirt-maint | 15:36 |
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| sdague | kashyap: great, thanks | 15:36 |
| lyarwood_ | mdbooth / bzurawski ; I need to drop for a while, brb | 15:37 |
| sdague | ah, comment #3 explains it a bit | 15:37 |
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| kashyap | sdague: Yeah | 15:38 |
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| mdbooth | Incidentally, this little cleanup hasn't received any love in 4 weeks if anybody fancies looking: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308876/ . It removes redundant handling of a case which no longer exists. | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Support for both microversion headers https://review.openstack.org/300077 | 15:42 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: lyarwood_ i need also go, will you be available today later, or maybe tomorrow, to continue discuss about it | 15:42 |
| mdbooth | bzurawski: We're both in the UK, so tomorrow would be best | 15:42 |
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| bzurawski | mdbooth: oki, good to know that your timezone is almost the same as mine :D | 15:43 |
| bzurawski | mdbooth: so tomorrow! | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Make checks before live-migration async https://review.openstack.org/320416 | 15:43 |
| kashyap | sdague: Even with the older version of libvirt, Gate was still using the domain type QEMU, and it was being translated. I wonder why only with the newer version the CPU model computation code is skipped. | 15:44 |
| SamYaple | d_code: i believe that was the first thing i told you yesterday. | 15:44 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: thank you for comments, updated spec, I think it's ok to update rest api microversion. change is ready to be reviewed:) | 15:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Get Me a Network https://review.openstack.org/283206 | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: cool, I was just thinking about it breaking existing scripts | 15:48 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: valid concern | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Doffman proposed openstack/nova: Add data migration methods for Aggregate. https://review.openstack.org/314782 | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Doffman proposed openstack/nova: Aggregate create and destroy work against API db https://review.openstack.org/314781 | 15:58 |
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| d_code | SamYaple: it is the first thing…I just got to that point this morning…. I had to add a device_type to the alias to get the scheduler to accept it…now I’m stuck to the point where libvirt can’t find /dev/vfio | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Carlton proposed openstack/python-novaclient: [microversion] Bump to 2.27 https://review.openstack.org/316026 | 16:00 |
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| auggy | ekhugen: regarding the mentorship discussion on the list, i'm sorry if i was unclear. if you have people interested in Nova and you don't have mentors for them, we have resources for new contributors and you are more than welcome to point them at me. | 16:16 |
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| alaski | sdague: johnthetubaguy missed the convo on policy, but as soon as we get the sample file generation code into oslo.policy we can hopefully cut a release and start porting Nova over to using it | 16:20 |
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| alaski | and then we could add comments to the policies which use admin_or_owner without a target, or just change the defaults on those | 16:21 |
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| sdague | alaski: agreed | 16:22 |
| sdague | dims said he'd take a look at the patches | 16:22 |
| alaski | I just updated the spec on that one this morning. assuming it's good now I have to make a small adjustment to the implementation but that's basically ready | 16:22 |
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| SamYaple | d_code: youll likely need to bump up the permissions in that container. there was also some issues with /dev:/dev binding in docker 1.9+ that may be causing some issues for you | 16:24 |
| doffm | bauzas: WRT https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296597 I think there is an unwanted race condition there while migrating. | 16:24 |
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| doffm | bauzas: Not sure what the best solution is. One possibility is "don't care". The aggregate api is only operators and any failure should be 'safe' in that the operation can be repeated and should succeed. | 16:26 |
| doffm | The other option is to block all aggregate updates until migration is complete. Which might be more user (operator) friendly. | 16:26 |
| alaski | bauzas: catching up on backscroll, going to comment on johnthetubaguys question | 16:27 |
| bauzas | doffm: sorry just at dinner time atm, should be avail for the cells meeting in 30 mins, we could then discuss there | 16:29 |
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| bauzas | alaski: np | 16:29 |
| * bauzas bbiab | 16:29 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy Hsiang proposed openstack/nova: Remove DictCompat from SecurityGroup https://review.openstack.org/321109 | 16:31 |
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| doffm | I don't know why I said "unwanted" race condition. Thats kinda superfluous. | 16:33 |
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| SamYaple | doffm: i started thinking of wanted race conditions after you said that. none came to mind | 16:37 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: spec passed jenkins check, could you re-review it again, please? | 16:37 |
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| ekhugen | oh okay, thanks auggy! We will definitely do that, one of the Keystone guys had something similar for their project, too. | 16:41 |
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| auggy | is there a cells v2 meeting today or am i just confused? | 17:06 |
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| auggy | oh jeez i did't actually join openstack-meeting-3 | 17:07 |
| dansmith | auggy: right now | 17:07 |
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| auggy | dansmith: yeah pebkac | 17:08 |
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| auggy | irc cloud has this thing where you think you've joined a channel that's "archived" but you have to specifically "unarchive" it to actually join it | 17:09 |
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| cfriesen | anyone an expert on nova/api/validation/parameter_types.py? I tried using "positive_integer" as a type and it mostly worked except that it will accept an empty string "" as valid which seems odd. | 17:34 |
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| auggy | hrm, i just realized something... meatdata is an anagram for metadata | 17:58 |
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| dims | haha auggy good one | 18:02 |
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| edleafe | auggy: meat data? | 18:03 |
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| cdent | edleafe, auggy: seems like a good time for this oldie but goodie: http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html | 18:13 |
| edleafe | cdent: heh, I remember that one | 18:14 |
| edleafe | cdent: even we vegetarians are made out of meat | 18:14 |
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| auggy | haha | 18:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ludovic Beliveau proposed openstack/nova: Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports https://review.openstack.org/242573 | 18:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Deprecate is_new from pci requests https://review.openstack.org/310990 | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Allow to update pci_requests in instance_extra https://review.openstack.org/312028 | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: pci: Move PCI devices and PCI requests into migration context https://review.openstack.org/307124 | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: split the glance API path based on config https://review.openstack.org/316007 | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'show' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321166 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'download' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321167 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'delete' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321168 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'detail' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321169 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'create' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321170 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova: Add 'update' method to GlanceImageServiceV2 https://review.openstack.org/321171 | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy Hsiang proposed openstack/nova: Remove DictCompat from SecurityGroup https://review.openstack.org/321109 | 18:30 |
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| sdague | dansmith: with mriedem out, can you run the nova meeting tomorrow? 5pm ends up being somewhat hard stop time here. | 18:57 |
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| dansmith | sdague: yeah | 18:57 |
| dansmith | sdague: remind me tomorrow though | 18:58 |
| sdague | will do | 18:58 |
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| bauzas | webinar for the design summit split is happening now (1900UTC) in case you wanna attend it https://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 19:06 |
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| bauzas | doffm: saw my -1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294806/9 ? | 20:04 |
| bauzas | doffm: it's for a missing UT, so in case you add it, you'll get my +2 :) | 20:04 |
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| doffm | bauzas: Ok, will add. Thanks. | 20:07 |
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| mikal | Morning | 20:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 20:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 20:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused use_no_auth from wsgi_app_v21() https://review.openstack.org/321235 | 20:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 21:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused args from RateLimitingMiddleware https://review.openstack.org/321240 | 21:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Ludovic Beliveau proposed openstack/nova: Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports https://review.openstack.org/242573 | 21:10 |
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| cfriesen | anyone seen this in devstack? libvirtError: unsupported configuration: guest and host CPU are not compatible: Host CPU does not provide required features: svm | 21:25 |
| cfriesen | I was just trying to boot the default image with one of the default flavors | 21:25 |
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| cfriesen | and this is an intel CPU, not AMD | 21:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused args from RateLimitingMiddleware https://review.openstack.org/321240 | 21:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused WsgiLimiter https://review.openstack.org/321247 | 21:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Remove legacy v2 API code completely https://review.openstack.org/311653 | 21:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Support for both microversion headers https://review.openstack.org/300077 | 21:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rawlin Peters proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] OVS trunk bridge plugging for vlan-aware VMs https://review.openstack.org/321253 | 21:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Move RateLimitingMiddleware into fakes of unittest https://review.openstack.org/321259 | 22:07 |
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