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openstackgerritWenzhi Yu proposed openstack/nova: WIP: Rename InstanceTypes to Flavors in sqlalchemy models  https://review.openstack.org/30556302:29
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/30522902:38
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openstackgerritzwei proposed openstack/nova: Fix nova opts help info  https://review.openstack.org/30558202:41
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openstackgerritDongcan Ye proposed openstack/nova: VMware: cleanup method _get_host_ref_from_name  https://review.openstack.org/30560304:06
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Replace assert statements in iptables and virt tests  https://review.openstack.org/28299204:42
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Add validations for volume_size and destination_type  https://review.openstack.org/25878805:03
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openstackgerritSrushti Gadadare proposed openstack/nova: Fix invalid uuid warnings in server-group unit tests  https://review.openstack.org/29384005:43
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openstackgerritHieu LE proposed openstack/nova: Fix typo in nova release notes  https://review.openstack.org/30562106:28
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paul-carlton2trying to create a blueprint for Nova but https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/+addspec doesn't list nova in the For list?06:49
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openstackgerritPaul Carlton proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add an importance attribute to an instance  https://review.openstack.org/30542506:55
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tonybpaul-carlton2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+addspec07:00
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openstackgerritLianhao Lu proposed openstack/nova: Added nova-manage cmd to list compute node metrics  https://review.openstack.org/26892807:05
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markuszpaul-carlton: It's "OpenStack Compute (nova)"07:09
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openstackgerritSirisha proposed openstack/nova: The changes prevent nova image-show 500 Error  https://review.openstack.org/30525507:14
openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova: Fix NoMoreNetworks functional test traces  https://review.openstack.org/29024007:14
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bauzasgood morning Nova07:28
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openstackgerritPaul Carlton proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add an importance attribute to an instance  https://review.openstack.org/30542507:52
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openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c  https://review.openstack.org/30334508:10
openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Testing latest u-c  https://review.openstack.org/30334508:10
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openstackgerritmelanie witt proposed openstack/nova: Fix NoMoreNetworks functional test traces  https://review.openstack.org/29024008:12
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openstackgerritSergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Added better error messages during (un)pinning CPUs  https://review.openstack.org/30565408:18
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openstackgerritSergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Added better error messages during (un)pinning CPUs  https://review.openstack.org/30565408:36
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* danpb wishes someone would killl hs634@yahoo-inc.com from the openstack-dev mailing list subscribers08:40
danpb...any  time you post you get an auto-reply from that address saying they don't work for yahoo anymore08:40
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openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Use common find_server from v2.shell  https://review.openstack.org/30058709:08
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Move all extensions from contrib dir  https://review.openstack.org/28072609:08
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openstackgerritDongcan Ye proposed openstack/nova: VMware: cleanup method _get_host_ref_from_name  https://review.openstack.org/30560309:31
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markus_zhemanthm: Are you around?09:33
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lyarwood_j rdo09:46
lyarwood_\o/ think I need more coffee09:46
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dulekHi, when trying to do a live upgrade of Nova - do I still need to upgrade both nova-api and nova-conductor together and atomically? Or can I upgrade my n-api after n-cond?09:57
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openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs: Expose hugepages via API  https://review.openstack.org/30572810:28
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sdaguealex_xu: you going to look at the API content patches? - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/10:37
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Pass BDM in swap_volume method of LibvirtDriver  https://review.openstack.org/25713510:43
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andrearosaI am trying to do a block live-migration in tunnel mode between two RedHat nodes and it fails because of "qemu does not support drive-mirror command". I use the qemu-kvm and not the qemu-kvm-rhev package which supports the drive-mirror command, but my understanding is that in tunnel mode it shouldn't use the NBD/drive-mirror migration. Please feel free to mark this question as OT and I am happy to10:48
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danpbandrearosa: block live migration doesn't work in tunnel mode i'm afraid10:54
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andrearosadanpb: ok, thanks. That was my conclusion as well glad to have your confirmation10:55
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openstackgerritTimofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova: abort_live_migration remove redundant check  https://review.openstack.org/30462110:59
openstackgerritTimofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova: force_live_migration remove redundant check  https://review.openstack.org/28799710:59
kashyapandrearosa: A related note is, upstream libvirt behaves differently to RHEL libvirt in this case.  See comment#4 -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1441054/comments/410:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1441054 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live-migration --block-migrate fails with default libvirt flags" [Medium,Invalid] - Assigned to Mathieu Rohon (mathieu-rohon)10:59
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danpbkashyap: its not libvirt behaving differently - its qemu, because RHEL removes the support for the legacy non-nbd block migration from QEMU as its awful code11:01
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andrearosadanpb: that explains perfectly my issue11:02
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kashyapdanpb: Duh, my poor phrasing.  Thanks for the correction11:02
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openstackgerritPetrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: HyperV: Add SerialConsoleOps class  https://review.openstack.org/18404011:15
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alex_xusdague: yea, let me take a look at now11:33
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: Add 'Show All' / 'Hide All' toggle  https://review.openstack.org/30576911:35
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add name to ResourceProvider object  https://review.openstack.org/28194511:46
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add a get_by_uuid for aggregates  https://review.openstack.org/28489511:47
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496311:48
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api  https://review.openstack.org/29310411:48
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: fix blockquote font size  https://review.openstack.org/30578311:54
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ndipanovbauzas, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305109/1 Y U NO +w ?12:19
bauzasM12:20
bauzas?12:20
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alex_xusdague: if *.inc can format like parameters.yaml, then that will be more parsable in the future? But I think RST still parsable and we without clear requirement, so I still +212:21
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openstackgerritBalazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs: JSON schema for notifications  https://review.openstack.org/30445412:21
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sdaguealex_xu: ok, I'm not sure I understand the suggestion12:26
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sdaguealex_xu: what is your concern?12:28
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alex_xusdague: if something happen, for example, we want to support swagger, or another format convertion. The thing like parameters.yaml is more easy for writing some tool to do convertion.12:29
sdaguealex_xu: ah, right12:29
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sdagueif we were to do that what we'd basically end up doing is creating another sphinx parser that was like .. swagger:: some/path12:30
sdagueand it would be a parallel structured set of files12:30
sdagueand we could replace bits one at a time12:30
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sdaguethe parameters.yaml reuses swagger terminology when it can, just to not invent new field names12:31
bauzasndipanov: Wallabied12:31
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sdaguebauzas: can I interest you in api-ref infrastructure reviews?12:33
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add spec proposing use of modern-microversion  https://review.openstack.org/30580012:33
bauzassdague: sure, I'm just not an expert but I can ramp-up on it12:33
sdaguebauzas: they are mostly machine imports12:33
bauzassdague: yeah I reviewed one12:33
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/6 and up12:34
sdaguebauzas: yeh, I saw you reviewed the sphinx fixes, thanks much for that12:34
bauzasenough python to understand, but just a bit high-lvel12:34
alex_xusdague: even we have swagger or something else, those *.inc must be the source of api doc content. As swagger, I don't think we will have swagger can get doc content from the code or docstring.12:34
bauzasokay, will look into12:34
cdentsdague: ^ there's the microversion spec, at least a first draft thereof. alex_xu too12:34
alex_xuthen those swagger only can reference the those *.inc to get the doc content12:35
sdaguealex_xu: the inc files are just a way to break up the rst content12:35
sdagueif we found we didn't need one for something, you'd just remove it from the index12:35
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sdagueI still think that the prose introducing an API point is going to be easier in RST than anything else, because editing rich text many levels deep in js structures is kind of a pain12:36
sdaguealex_xu: but, anyway, that whole thing is step 27 or something.12:36
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alex_xusdague: yea, let go current way, anyway RST also can be parse also. I think it is ok when something coming up in the future.12:38
alex_xucdent: yea, will try to reach that asap.12:39
sdaguecdent: just read through it, looks great12:39
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sdagueI only have +1 on the repo, so don't take my +1 as a slight12:39
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Remove stub_compute config options  https://review.openstack.org/23421712:39
cdentI HATE YOU SDAGUE HOW DARE YOU OMG I'M GOING TO CRY12:39
openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Use instance object instead of db record  https://review.openstack.org/23421812:39
sdague:)12:39
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* alex_xu image the picture12:41
cdent:)12:41
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markus_zsdague: regarding http://markmail.org/thread/s62ngjadccmzkj3j what do you mean with "Every local.conf should include a documentation page"?12:42
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add spec proposing use of modern-microversion  https://review.openstack.org/30580012:42
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sdaguemarkus_z: have something which renders to here - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/12:42
sdaguemaybe under and examples section12:43
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cdentmarkus_z: +many on the local.conf examples notion12:43
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bauzassdague: alex_xu: do you have some pointers to show me up about the api-ref work made in this branch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/6 ?12:43
markus_zsdague: OK, got it12:44
markus_zcdent: What do you mean?12:44
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cdentmarkus_z: this is you, yeah: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092315.html excellent idea12:44
markus_zcdent: Ah "+many" == enhanced "+1"?12:45
markus_zI thought there was a typo or something12:45
sdaguebauzas: we have the working etherpad for the effort - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-site-in-rst12:45
cdentYeah, ++, +10, +∞12:45
bauzassdague: perfect, that's what I was looking for12:45
markus_zcdent: he he :)12:46
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sdaguebauzas: the tl;dr - we want an API Reference site that's primarily authored in RST, so that it is easier to fix. RST tables are terrible, so we need a semistructured data model for building parameters tables (which is the parameters.yaml + .. rest_parameters stanza)12:49
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bauzassdague: yeah, just read the motivation12:49
bauzasloading context in mind12:49
* cdent can heard the gears12:50
cdenthear12:50
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bauzassdague: okay, so running https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper/ takes the existing WADL files to create a new structure with RST files, right?12:58
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sdagueactually, it's wadl2rst12:58
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sdaguehttps://github.com/annegentle/wadl2rst12:58
sdaguefairy-slipper was used to build the parameters.yaml12:59
bauzassdague: okay, because the commit msg of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/6 was mentioning the former12:59
bauzasoh ok12:59
bauzasgotcha12:59
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sdagueright, this sort of integrates by parts12:59
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sdaguethe big thing at this point is to get the 2 machine dump reviews in and assume we're done with machine dumps, and then we switch gears to doing manual cleanup13:00
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sdaguewhich we do as a bunch of small patches, that's the 4 phases x 47 files for loop I posted in my email13:00
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bauzassdague: okay, I understand that13:07
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bauzassdague: are you somehow freezing the API changes to make sure that the machine-generated files are accurate ? or I guess just tracking the microversions changes ?13:08
andrearosapkoniszewski: are you around?13:08
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sdaguebauzas: right now the docs are *way* out of sync with the actual code13:09
sdaguebecause WADL was so hard for people to update13:09
bauzassdague: oh yeah13:09
bauzasI see your strategy then13:09
bauzasiterate fast and fix the nits13:09
sdagueso there is no freeze on API changes, this is mostly a play catchup to make the docs accurate13:09
sdagueyeh13:09
bauzas++13:09
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sdaguewith the intent that we get to a place where landing the API doc changes is a requirement to land the microversion changes13:10
sdaguehopefully by next cycle13:10
sdaguebut right now, it's still such a mess that's not really an option13:10
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pkoniszewskiandrearosa: yes13:11
andrearosapkoniszewski: I need to discuss with you few things about LM talk, I pinged you ina PM13:12
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mriedemknikolla: hey, i missed your ping last night, what's up?13:13
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mriedemtjones: vmware nsx ci appears to never want to run on this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287055/ can you kick it?13:17
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paul-carlton1working on a spec that proposes  adding database table, looking for a good example spec to follow when filling in Data Model section?13:22
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mriedempaul-carlton1: check resource-providers or compute node inventory13:22
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mriedemhttp://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/resource-providers.html13:24
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs: Expose hugepages via API  https://review.openstack.org/30572813:25
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paul-carlton1mriedem, ta13:27
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Make some build_requests columns nullable  https://review.openstack.org/30551413:32
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Change BuildRequest to contain a serialized instance  https://review.openstack.org/29845513:32
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mriedemswap volume makes me sad13:42
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mriedem1swap volume only works on one bdm but it's actually detaching an old volume and attaching a new volume, and then updating the old volume bdm info with the new volume info - why not just create a new bdm for the new attachment and delete the old bdm when the swap volume is done in the driver?13:46
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mriedem1ndipanov: ^?13:46
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mriedem1is it because the mountpoint is expected to stay the same between the 2 attachments?13:47
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dansmithmriedem1: you mean the device?13:47
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mriedem1yeah, the device nam13:47
mriedem1*name13:47
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openstackgerritMike Fedosin proposed openstack/nova-specs: Complete Nova support for Glance's v2  https://review.openstack.org/30174113:47
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mriedem1i'm trying to sort this out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257135/13:47
dansmithmriedem1: yeah, isn't that unique in the db or something?13:48
mriedem1no13:48
mriedem1remember, no unique constraint on bdm13:48
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mriedem1we try to act like it is though13:48
mriedem1in code13:48
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dansmithmriedem1: wasn't sure that was over device, but okay13:48
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mriedem1i think the "unique constraint" is actually over volume id and device13:48
dansmithmriedem1: what's the point of doing a create of the new and destroy of the old then?13:49
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sarafrajmorning13:49
mriedem1well, for one, i thought we couldn't predict the device name used when attaching a volume with libvirt?13:49
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dansmithmriedem1: we can't control how it shows up in the guest,13:50
dansmithmriedem1: but we'd want the control side to look unchanged13:50
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mriedemi guess the uniqueness check is on device and instance uuid https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L432713:51
bauzassdague: one last question before +Wing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300264/613:51
mriedemso in that case, with swap volume one bdm probably makes sense13:52
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bauzassdague: so, I checked the next change, and verified for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302500/9/api-ref/source/ips.inc@2913:52
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bauzassdague: how can I be sure that we're not missing a parameter in the parameters.yaml ?13:53
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bauzasI mean, how the machine is checking every parameter ?13:53
ndipanovmriedem, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301859/13:53
sdaguebauzas: warnings are throwing in sphinx on missing parameters13:53
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sdaguebauzas: and there are missing parameters13:53
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ndipanovmriedem, sahid finally agreed that my solution isn't so bad13:53
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bauzassdague: okay13:54
sdaguehowever, that's the whole point of the manual cleanup13:54
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sdagueand why we have to go file by file and make sure they are right13:54
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mriedemndipanov: looked like he conceded13:54
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bauzassdague: I was about to verify the draft using http://docs-draft.openstack.org/00/302500/9/check/gate-nova-docs/143a9df//doc/build/html/ but the v2.1 link is http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html13:54
bauzassdague: how can I see the change in HTML ?13:55
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bauzasoh13:55
sdaguegate-nova-api-ref13:55
bauzaslocally I think13:55
sdaguethere is a dedicated job for this13:55
bauzasyeah okay13:55
sdaguethat shows you the output13:55
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bauzasniiice13:55
sdaguehttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/83/305783/1/check/gate-nova-api-ref/5635ef6//api-ref/build/html/ is the top of stack (about 7 patches up for review to get us there)13:56
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bauzasokay, I have enough to know13:56
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bauzassdague: yup, I just saw that one13:57
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bauzassdague: okay, given all the changes, I'm fine +Wing, given if we have an issue, we can just fix it quickly13:57
sdagueyep13:58
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sdagueit's going to be a ton of content fixing as we go, I think I have most of the infrastructure sorted now13:58
openstackgerritTimofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova: [dnm] cpu_info class hierarchy  https://review.openstack.org/30587313:58
sdaguethe expand all button was the key bit from this morning13:58
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496313:58
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openstackgerritHemanth Makkapati proposed openstack/nova: Remove whitespace from xenserver opts help text  https://review.openstack.org/30587613:58
hemanthmmarkus_z ^13:59
bauzasalex_xu: still around ?13:59
bauzasalex_xu: your last comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302500/9 says that we have a problem13:59
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bauzassdague: ^13:59
bauzasdo we have a follow-up change for that one ?14:00
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sdaguebauzas: right, that's the kind of thing we have to fix manually14:00
bauzassdague: just wanted to make sure we're not forgetting it14:00
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sdagueyep14:00
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sdaguethat's the 200 bugs we're going to open up that has the various scrub tasks14:00
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bauzasI'm fine with +Wing it also, but I want to make sure we're not missing it14:01
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bauzasokay, then probably a 201th bug for that one :p14:01
sdaguenope14:01
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sdagueit will already be included14:01
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sdagueverify_samples:versions.inc14:01
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add Allocation and AllocationList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28244214:10
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496314:10
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add a get_by_uuid for aggregates  https://review.openstack.org/28489514:10
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add name to ResourceProvider object  https://review.openstack.org/28194514:10
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api  https://review.openstack.org/29310414:10
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openstackgerritGleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add console log offset  https://review.openstack.org/29247314:15
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openstackgerritLaszlo Hegedus proposed openstack/nova: Detach root volume during rebuild  https://review.openstack.org/30507914:16
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Make some build_requests columns nullable  https://review.openstack.org/30551414:25
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edleafehemanthm: commented on your change. Ping me if you have questions.14:30
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hemanthmedleafe: looking14:31
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bauzasalaski: dansmith: could I humbly ask you to take a look at the check-dest series https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/check-destination-on-migrations-newton ?14:41
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bauzaswe have a migration script and the cold-migrate use14:42
dansmithbauzas: no!14:42
* bauzas bows at dansmith14:42
dansmithheh14:42
bauzasheh, we're no longer in Japan14:42
bauzasI should do that Texan-style14:42
* bauzas looks at dansmith open-carry14:42
dansmithhaha14:43
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mriedemwait14:43
mriedemwhat14:43
bauzasI saw some Eastwood movies when I was young, I'm prepared14:43
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mriedemyou know guys that flash people in parking lots are usually wearing a trenchcoat14:44
mriedemto cover their piece14:44
dansmithdifferent piece14:44
bauzasoh man14:44
_diana_boys14:44
mriedemthe first amendmant covers one of them, the 2nd the other14:45
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alaskibauzas: yep, I'll look shortly. just trying to finish up a patch14:47
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openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: [extensions] cache discovered extensions  https://review.openstack.org/28713114:49
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Cache discover_version method  https://review.openstack.org/29986214:49
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Add support of caching  https://review.openstack.org/29986014:49
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Move all extensions from contrib dir  https://review.openstack.org/28072614:49
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doffmbauzas: Shot or shoot? One is much worse than the other.14:50
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andreykurilinsdague: hi! Thanks for suggestion about dogpile.cache . Could you look at https://review.openstack.org/299860 when you have free time?14:51
dims_back to reviews, specs folks! :)14:51
dansmithbauzas: I need to do some awesome administrivia first, but I left one comment, which may or may not be valid.. i'll look closer when I finish what I'm doing now14:52
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bauzasdoffm: heh, I'm not yet in Texas so I'm taking the word "shoot" litterally14:52
bauzasdansmith: no worries, I suspect having to do that same administrivia too14:53
dansmithyeah :)14:53
bauzasthanks for the reminder14:53
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bauzasdansmith: oh, good point in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302828/2/nova/objects/request_spec.py I wasn't knowing it was implemented that soon14:55
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bauzasdansmith: I was hoping to see the UUID correct enforcement done in Ocata, so that was leaving me a window to land my change14:56
bauzasdansmith: but if not, that's becoming PITA to me14:56
bauzasbecause of an UC on uuids14:56
dansmithbauzas: well, it's not enforced, but it'll be a noisy thing14:57
dansmithbauzas: I think we can do some things to work around it, but I'll think and comment later14:57
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bauzasdansmith: sure, do your homework14:57
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openstackgerritMark Doffman proposed openstack/nova: Make Aggregate metadata functions work with API db  https://review.openstack.org/29735015:07
openstackgerritMark Doffman proposed openstack/nova: Make Aggregate.save work with the API db  https://review.openstack.org/30546615:07
sdaguemriedem: any thoughts in helping merge the stack of api-ref infrastructure fixes - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305358/ ? Then when people propose content fixes, they'll have the website generation we expect.15:07
sdagueit's 4 patches, each fixing a discreet issue15:08
mriedemsdague: this is part of that blueprint you have right?15:08
sdagueyeh15:08
mriedemwould be good to start tracking against that blueprint so we see the progress15:09
sdagueah, good point15:09
sdagueI can go fix the commit messages15:09
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: Add 'Show All' / 'Hide All' toggle  https://review.openstack.org/30576915:11
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: fix blockquote font size  https://review.openstack.org/30578315:11
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: Fix css references to the glyphicons font  https://review.openstack.org/30535815:11
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: use 'required' instead of 'optional' for parameters  https://review.openstack.org/30540615:11
sdaguemriedem: though the blueprints in general seem to need quite a bit of cleaning up - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova15:12
mriedemsdague: i only look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton15:12
sdagueah, gotcha15:13
mriedem1 → 75 of 974 results15:13
mriedemyeah i'm not spending time cleaning those up15:13
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sdagueheh15:13
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sdaguewe should probably move the api-ref from low -> medium as well, we basically have to get it done this cycle15:13
mriedemway to jinx it15:14
mriedemwhy does it have to be done this cycle?15:14
mriedemnote i haven't read your status email yet15:15
openstackgerritGleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: BaseCoreFilter docstring and formating improved  https://review.openstack.org/28542715:15
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sdagueright now our API documentation is basically a scrambled work of fiction that can't support microversions15:17
mriedemin http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html right?15:18
sdagueyep15:18
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mriedemyeah, which is a latent thing15:18
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mriedemi'm not saying it's good15:18
tdurakovandrearosa, pkoniszewski, mdbooth hey folks, could you please review this series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/15:18
mriedemi just wan't sure what made it 'have to get done' this release15:18
sdaguebecause the lack of documentation for microversion features basically invalidates doing microversions15:19
hemanthmedleafe: looks like the 'Services that consume this' section is done in a standard way15:19
hemanthm*NOT done15:20
sdagueand we can't do that on the existing docs stack15:20
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sdaguethis was basically top priority from the API subteam to get addressed this cycle15:20
sdaguehttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090927.html15:21
mriedemsure, bumped to medium15:21
sdaguemriedem: thanks15:23
sahidmriedem: so you removed you +2 without explanation here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284095/15:24
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mriedemsahid: the -1 on the change with the concerns over those other scenarios15:25
sahidmriedem: the -1 is not justified...15:25
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mriedemsahid: i'd like to see roey chen +1 on that first, or at least to drop the -115:25
sahidmriedem: ok at least he makes some interest on that patch15:26
mriedemi think he has a point on the port_security_enabled=False on the port rather than the network,15:27
mriedembut i haven't tested any of that out15:27
openstackgerritHemanth Makkapati proposed openstack/nova: Remove whitespace from xenserver opts help text  https://review.openstack.org/30587615:27
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sahidmriedem: what do you mean by port_security_enabled=False on the port ?15:28
sahid--no-securty-groups?15:29
mriedemyeah15:29
mriedemi was wrong saying port_security_enabled=False15:29
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sahidmriedem: but in which case ? network with port_security_enabled True or False ?15:30
sahid(ahah kind of crazy...)15:31
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sahidif network is defined with port_security_enabled=True, and you attached the instance during boot to a port on this network but without securty groups so the code is working15:32
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sahidif network is defined with port_security_enabled=False, and you attached the instance during boot to a port on this network but without securty groups so the code is working too15:32
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mriedemgaryk also said "What if there are two private neutron networks and there is a neutron router between them? This is where the security groups can be applied" - honestly i don't know what all of the exotic combinations of neutron configurations are possible that can screw us here15:37
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openstackgerritGleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add console log offset  https://review.openstack.org/29247315:37
mriedembut it also seems to me that's a different case we aren't already handling anyway15:37
mriedemsahid: i left some comments15:38
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openstackgerritsahid proposed openstack/nova: network: make nova to handle port_security_enabled=False  https://review.openstack.org/28409515:43
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openstackgerritGleb Stepanov proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Add async reponse code to evacuate  https://review.openstack.org/30595015:47
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Drop fields from BuildRequest object and model  https://review.openstack.org/30595315:51
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sahidmriedem: ok thanks15:54
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mriedemalaski: gah, i can't just return the list of created bdms back up the stack to use for deleting in _provision_instances16:00
mriedemthis is why https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L433816:00
mriedem:(16:00
mriedemif you're creating a new swap bdm, the db api deletes any existing ones16:01
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alaskiso the bdms you get back might already have some deleted ones?16:03
mriedemyeah16:04
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alaskithat's ridiculuous16:04
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mriedemi was trying to figure out why i was getting 7 back from the compute api method but 4 back from the db here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/unit/compute/test_compute.py#L863816:05
mriedemand it's because there are 4 swap bdms in the initial list https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/unit/compute/test_compute.py#L855016:05
mriedembut the db api only allows one16:05
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mriedemanyway, tricky16:06
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alaskiI'm not sure I completely understand, but couldn't you just take the returned ones and delete them, catching and bypassing any failures?16:08
mriedemprobably....16:09
mriedemit's a soft_delete() in the cell db so it's not actually a delete16:10
mriedemit would just be double soft deleting16:10
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bauzasalaski: dansmith: hoping the new uuid enforcment won't verify the UUIDs semantically... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302828/2/nova/objects/request_spec.py16:11
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dansmithbauzas: semantically?16:11
dansmithwhat semantics are built into a uuid?16:11
alaskimriedem: it will depend on whether read_deleted is used as to whether or not that will fail16:12
bauzasdansmith: see my comment https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4122.html#section-4.416:12
bauzasdansmith: bit 7 is necessarly set to 1 if UUID version 416:12
alaskidansmith: there's a requirement for some positions to be within a range of chars16:12
dansmithah, I didn't know16:13
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bauzasdansmith: so, I'm about to provide a 0000-0000-... UUID16:13
bauzaswhich could be fine for us16:13
bauzasbut couldn't never be an uuid4()16:13
dansmithbauzas: we'll use a uuid parser, so if that matters to it, then it will16:13
alaskithat's also assuming uuid4, and the field is just UUID16:13
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alaskiso we need a decision on whether that actually means uuid416:14
bauzasdansmith: you mean that you'll parse if the uuid is valid, riht?16:14
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dansmithbauzas: let me get you a link16:14
bauzaslike uuidutils.is_valid_uuid() ?16:14
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dansmithhttps://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/fields.py#L31816:14
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alaskilooks like that supports uuid version 1, 3, 4, and 516:16
sdaguebauzas: I think that we've never validated the semantics of uuid inside nova, if we did, I'm sure everything would explode16:16
bauzasalaski: sure, but that wouldn't accept a 0 UUID16:17
bauzasI mean a 0::016:17
alaskibauzas: okay. I don't know the requirements for all of those versions16:17
bauzasthere is at least 4 bits describing the version, from 1 to 516:18
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bauzasso there is at least one bit set to 116:18
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bauzasthere are* (gosh)16:18
alaskiwell we're relying on an all 0 UUID for cell0 mapping16:18
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bauzaslemme check coercing an 0-padded UUID16:19
alaskiso we'll need to allow it, or rethink how we represent cell016:19
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bauzasalaski: kaboom http://paste.openstack.org/show/494099/16:24
bauzasoh snap, nevermind16:24
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alaskibauzas: http://paste.openstack.org/show/494100/16:26
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bauzasyeah just tested16:26
bauzasokay, let's go this way16:27
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* bauzas thanks the uuid module for not strictly enforcing RFC4122 even if it pretends so16:28
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add Allocation and AllocationList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28244216:28
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects  https://review.openstack.org/28496316:28
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add a get_by_uuid for aggregates  https://review.openstack.org/28489516:28
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: Add name to ResourceProvider object  https://review.openstack.org/28194516:28
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/nova: WIP resource-pools/placement api  https://review.openstack.org/29310416:28
bauzasoh fun16:28
doffmbauzas: It *looks* like a uuid. Thats enough right? :)16:29
bauzas>>> uuid.UUID('00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000').version16:29
bauzas>>>16:29
bauzasso in case it's a fake uuid, the version is None16:29
bauzasgreat16:29
openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack/nova: Fixed multiple issues with server_concepts page  https://review.openstack.org/29428416:30
doffmHonestly though we can use any UUID we like. All UUID's are special. We can generate one if neccessary.16:30
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alaskitrue. I do like using a UUID that won't ever be generated, but meh16:32
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bauzasalaski: doffm: oh great great great https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4122.html#section-4.1.716:33
bauzasI missed that16:33
bauzasso the uuid module is fully compliant16:33
bauzasthat's the RFC which allows that16:33
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* bauzas just learned something todaty16:34
bauzasgiven we always generate version 4 UUIDs, we are 100% sure that the nil UUID will never be used unless we want that16:35
bauzasthat's perfectly safe16:35
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doffmOk. Just that version doesn't return the correct version. :)16:36
bauzasdoffm: no, it returns correctly the fact that there is no version for the nil UUID16:38
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bauzasdoffm: it's accepted by the specification, just as a special case where no version is applied to16:38
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openstackgerritLudovic Beliveau proposed openstack/nova: Allocate PCI devices on cold migration  https://review.openstack.org/30597816:48
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openstackgerritSylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add a RequestSpec generation migration script  https://review.openstack.org/30282816:49
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alaskidansmith: mriedem the series at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298455 has some patches ready for review again17:07
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mriedemok17:08
dansmithalaski: what are you bragging?17:08
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alaskimore pestering17:10
alaskiif I wanted to brag that is not the series to do it with17:10
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dansmithlol17:10
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dansmithalaski: I was hoping to have those db changes split out17:14
dansmithaside from it being smaller, it also kind proves that we've not introduced any schema change that can't be applied ahead of time17:15
alaskiyeah I just realized I didn't split fully. I did move a lot of the db migration to the next patch but not all17:15
dansmithwell, for a subset of things17:15
dansmithokay17:15
dansmithalaski: if you have other things, I can try to do it myself17:15
alaskiI can get it, shouldn't be too bad. What I need to do is move this migration first, then the object change, then another db change, then another object change17:16
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dansmithalaski: only one schema update though right?17:17
dansmithalaski: when I say the db bits, I mean the schema change17:17
openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: move sphinx h3 to '-' instead of '^'  https://review.openstack.org/30598717:17
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alaskidansmith: I'm doing the additive instance/instance_uuid stuff separate from altering columns to be nullable17:17
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alaskiI could do it all at once, but they're conceptually different so I split17:18
dansmithokay17:19
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mriedem1alaski: more fun17:33
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mriedem1alaski: so my functional test for that over quota cleanup thing17:34
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mriedem1https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304929/17:34
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mriedem1was a false negative, i thought it was a single request to create 2 servers in a group and i set quota at 1,17:34
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mriedem1the test actually creates 2 servers in the group in separate requests, so there will still be 1 server in the db from the first request17:34
mriedem1so that's my mistake #117:34
alaskiahh, yeah you need to use the max_count thing17:35
mriedem1mistake #2 is that we don't have sqlite running with foreign key constraints enforced in our tests by default17:35
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mriedem1so even without my fix it wasn't failing (with sqlite)17:35
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mriedemactually, hell, i'm not even seeing it fail with sqlite fk constraints turned on17:36
mriedemwtf17:36
alaskilooks like enabling it in sqlite is a bit of a pain17:36
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mriedemi just copied it from another test that relies on fk constraints17:37
alaskimust be compiled in, and is set per connection17:37
mriedemyeah https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/functional/db/test_archive.py#L2917:37
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alaskiahh, cool17:38
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alaskimriedem: I'm not sure anything is going to fail from the API side, it's more that we leave bdms undeleted in the db right?17:40
alaskiwhich will cause issues for archiving later17:40
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mriedemit should leave the bdms and the instance17:40
mriedembecause of the fkey17:40
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alaskibut the fkey isn't affected because the instance record isn't removed, it's just that 'deleted' is updated17:41
mriedemgdi17:41
mriedemyou're right17:41
mriedemSOFT DELETE WHYYYYY!!!17:41
alaskiI didn't fully think that through until just now17:42
comstudlol17:42
comstudyou guys17:42
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melwittmriedem: do you know why we try to predict whether neutron will fail to apply security groups to a created port instead of making the call and having it succeed or fail?17:54
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openstackgerritVladyslav Drok proposed openstack/nova: Add get_host_ip_addr method to ironic driver  https://review.openstack.org/30601018:16
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openstackgerritKaren Bradshaw proposed openstack/nova: Fix formatting of rst in parameters.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/30602018:41
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: clean up versions.inc reference document  https://review.openstack.org/30602218:47
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Make some build_requests columns nullable  https://review.openstack.org/30551418:47
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Drop fields from BuildRequest object and model  https://review.openstack.org/30595318:47
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Change BuildRequest to contain a serialized instance  https://review.openstack.org/29845518:47
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Add instance/instance_uuid to build_requests table  https://review.openstack.org/30602318:47
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: clean up versions.inc reference document  https://review.openstack.org/30602218:48
sdagueI will eventually remember to add the bp references18:48
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/nova: clean up versions.inc reference document  https://review.openstack.org/30602218:51
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openstackgerritNicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Compute API: omit disk/container formats when creating images of snapshots  https://review.openstack.org/22606918:58
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openstackgerritNicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Compute API: omit disk/container formats when creating images of snapshots  https://review.openstack.org/22606918:59
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mriedemmelwitt: good question, i think i've wondered that myself before, my guess would be making the distinction of what the 400 response is19:32
mriedemsince we send a lot of things over when creating or updating the port19:32
mriedem*creating in this case, we do'nt update security groups during boot19:32
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melwittmriedem: yeah. that would have been my guess too but I thought I'd ask19:34
melwittmriedem: I feel like the logic was a lot more obvious before when we're sending over the default group. after we remove it, it's like "since port security is enabled we know neutron is going to try to add the default group and we know it'll fail, so fail now"19:35
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mriedemmelwitt: it kind of sucks either way because if we send it and the network we're using has port_security_enabled=False, we fail to create the instance even though the user never requested the default security group, nova-api just added it19:37
mriedemb/c nova-network needs to be specific19:37
melwittmriedem: yeah. agree19:37
vilobhmm11alaski : ping19:38
vilobhmm11regarding your reply on reservations19:38
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alaskivilobhmm11: hey19:39
vilobhmm11few questions19:39
vilobhmm11alaski : right now we are considering reservation table and quota_usages table as the entity tracking usage for resources right19:40
alaskiyeah19:40
vilobhmm11alaski : but if we get the usage directly against the actual resource usage won't there be a lag in response time ?19:41
vilobhmm11i guess the whole purpose of using cached table is to improve response time19:41
alaskiwhy would there be a lag?19:42
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vilobhmm11alaski : lag as in consistent state  lets say in case of multiple boots till the time RT is run how will the current usage for the resources be updated in the compute nodes19:44
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vilobhmm11so won't the consumers the nova-api still see in-consistent values as compared to whats actually present on the HV actually19:44
vilobhmm11or is that acceptable for the time lag of 60 sec after which RT will run periodically19:45
vilobhmm11alaski : ^^19:45
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alaskithat's true now. But I don't see any reliance on the RT for quotas. When an instance is written to the db the quota will be considered to be consumed. that happens before compute19:46
vilobhmm11alaski : from a response time perspective the consumer (api) will query instances rather than querying the caches ones so not a major delay in response time19:46
openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack/nova: Verify pci_passthrough_whitelist fields  https://review.openstack.org/30605419:46
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alaskivilobhmm11: today quota is based on usages and reservations, I'm suggesting that thought be put into basing quotas on the resource record itself which in Novas case is instances19:49
alaskithose db records are created at about the same time, so I don't see any real difference in timing19:49
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vilobhmm11agree and there is no benefit in keeping the cached ones if they are not benefitting but creating more problems…also that way it simplifies delete,update,read use cases19:50
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vilobhmm11alaski : no quota calculations on delete, update19:52
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alaskidepends on the update19:53
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vilobhmm11alaski : sure19:57
vilobhmm11alaski : in current case the quota.commit happens way before the actual resources are consumed on the compute right ? #1. reserve resource (API-db) #2. commit (compute/api) #3.consume resource19:58
vilobhmm11#3. consume resource (on the compute )19:59
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vilobhmm11so if we remove step #1 which is just updating or creating enteries in cache it won;t matter19:59
vilobhmm11alaski : just checking the code meanwhile and trying to correlate20:00
alaskiI'm not sure where the commit currently happens20:00
vilobhmm11alaski : ok...because atleast in the code i don't see it happening after the resources are actually consumed (instance created) so placed it at #220:02
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openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Make some build_requests columns nullable  https://review.openstack.org/30551420:08
openstackgerritAndrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Drop fields from BuildRequest object and model  https://review.openstack.org/30595320:08
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mriedemdo we have a fixture or something for db context engine facade readers, or am i making those words up?20:28
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melwittmriedem: I see an EngineFacadeFixture in nova/tests/fixtures.py20:31
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melwittI haven't used it before. I've only used the DatabaseFixture20:31
mriedemlooks like nothing uses EngineFacadeFixture20:32
melwittyeah, I also noticed that20:32
melwittI would guess sdague knows about it20:33
mriedemanyway, i don't think i need a fixture20:33
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melwittgoing rogue20:35
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mriedemheh, no20:36
mriedemjust needed to do some model query stuff from the db api20:36
mriedemand have to use the context reader stuff for that20:36
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mriedemlike in the api objects now20:36
mriedemcool, verified the bug i'm looking at20:38
mriedemand almost talked myself out of fixing in my great soft delete depression alaski put me on20:38
melwitthaha!20:38
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mriedembut i had 90 minutes to think this through while our new 2nd line was talking...20:39
mriedemyay for meetings!20:39
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melwittnow that's some meeting productivity20:40
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mriedemspeaking of meetings, nova meeting in 15 minutes20:46
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sdaguethe EngineFascadeFixture is to handle a missing oslo.db thing20:46
sdaguemriedem: what is it that you need to do?20:47
mriedemsdague: i sorted it out20:47
mriedemwill push up shortly20:47
sdaguemriedem: ok20:47
mriedemit's a glorious functional test20:47
sdagueheh20:47
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Properly clean up instances when _provision_instances fails  https://review.openstack.org/30492920:48
sdagueglorious!20:48
mriedemsdague: alaski: ^20:48
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: Properly clean up instances when _provision_instances fails  https://review.openstack.org/30492920:51
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mriedemknikolla: easy cleanup bug if you're interested https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/157059320:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1570593 in python-novaclient "The --volume-service-name option is not used and should be removed" [Low,Confirmed]20:56
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sdaguemriedem: that is some weird fix20:58
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mriedemheh20:59
mriedemit's my baby20:59
mriedemconsequently we actually test that server group member over quota path20:59
mriedemwhich is kind of nice20:59
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sdagueyeh, so I actually don't understand the [0] bit because I don't see where there is an array21:00
knikollamriedem: sure, will have a look at that. thanks for poiting it out.21:00
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mriedemsdague: the create_entry_* method returns a tuple now21:00
mriedemnova meeting21:00
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sdagueoh sorry21:01
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jrollmriedem: you were asking me about this bug recently, it now makes sense to me and I think/hope my review here explains why: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306011/121:18
jrollno rush ofc because mtg21:18
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dansmithbut after meeting, then rush21:19
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openstackgerritRandall Nortman proposed openstack/nova-specs: Scoped policies for server groups  https://review.openstack.org/24765421:21
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openstackgerritRandall Nortman proposed openstack/nova-specs: Scoped policies for server groups  https://review.openstack.org/24765421:30
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tonybauggy: You shoudl start thinking abotu good places to eat/drink in PDX21:46
auggytonyb: the Yamhill Pub21:46
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auggyhehe21:46
tonybauggy: we can't go there *every* night :)21:46
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auggytonyb: oh yes we can21:46
auggyi'm kidding, it's really terrible21:47
auggyit's this divey punk rock bar downtown21:47
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auggybut they do have a decent beer selection21:47
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mtreinishtonyb: for the infra/qa midcycle in darmstadt we went to a different beer garden every night21:47
tonybmtreinish: that sounds *terrible*21:47
mtreinishit was essentially the same thing every night21:48
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tonybmtreinish: *wurst + beer21:48
mtreinishheh, pretty much21:48
melwittcburgess: hey, I was wondering if you ever got any feedback from your ops folks about quotas in nova, any current pain points that we had talked about some weeks ago?21:48
mtreinishtonyb: and pretzels21:48
tonybmtreinish: :)21:49
auggybut srsly, dansmith we'll have to think of places that are good for groups21:49
cburgessAh yeah I talked to them. The only issues were the ones I mentioned about out of sync during upgrade. We don't know specifically why that happens so I can't provide specific details. Next time we see it I will document it.21:49
auggyfood truck food courts!21:49
dansmithauggy: last time people split up pretty good21:49
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Move all extensions from contrib dir  https://review.openstack.org/28072621:50
auggydansmith: ah alright, i guess my only experience is with bristol :)21:50
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Add support of caching  https://review.openstack.org/29986021:50
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dansmithauggy: I think more people had specific things they wanted to do here last time21:50
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openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: [extensions] cache discovered extensions  https://review.openstack.org/28713121:50
tonybdansmith: that seems be changing since the PA one.21:50
dansmithauggy: plus, there was at least one planned HPE event in bristol which took up one of the nights21:50
openstackgerritAndrey Kurilin proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Cache discover_version method  https://review.openstack.org/29986221:51
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dansmithtonyb: the PA one?21:51
auggydansmith: yeah that's true21:51
dansmithpalo alot?21:51
dansmithheh21:51
dansmith*alto21:51
tonybdansmith: Yeah that one21:51
dansmithmaybe21:51
melwittcburgess: noted, thank you. I'm guessing that's around restarting nova-compute and it's down before the commit happens21:51
dansmithtonyb: being not adventurous, I much prefer the people going in smaller groups to places they want instead of trying to find a giant place for everyone21:51
tonybdansmith: it was the first one I went to and we fragmented in the evening but in Rochester / Bristol it was more sticking together21:52
auggyaw man there's no OMSI after dark during that time21:52
dansmithtonyb: fewer things in rochester I think21:52
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auggythere's one on July 1721:52
tonybdansmith: :)21:52
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dansmithanyway21:53
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auggytonyb: well i'll come up with some ideas anyways21:54
tonybauggy: Thanks :)21:54
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mriedemjroll: i read the comments, thanks21:56
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mriedemin beaverton(?) we went to that thai place21:58
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mriedemthat was the biggest get together21:58
mriedembut jogo won't be there to pay for everyone...21:58
diana_clarkedansmith got a big promotion...21:58
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mriedemorly21:59
mriedemmtreinish: on that schedule thing21:59
mriedemmtreinish: i'm not sure how much QA needs to be there21:59
mriedemi'd need to probably talk to johnthetubaguy next week about that21:59
auggyi've been to hillsboro once since i moved here21:59
mriedemunless sdague has an idea21:59
auggyit was to go to this really awesome hobby shop21:59
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mtreinishmriedem: I saw mention of tempest in the description so I thought it would be good22:00
mriedemmtreinish: otherwise i'm kind of loathe to move stuff around more22:00
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mtreinishI mean the session looked generally interesting to me, but I have a feeling I need to be in the defcore x tempest session more22:00
dansmithauggy: I lived there for nine years before moving to this side, but I'm also not sure I should offer up the places I like to such a discerning crowd here :)22:00
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auggydansmith: hahaha i won't judge you22:01
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mtreinishauggy: you should though22:01
mriedemmtreinish: i was going to suggest swapping with our ironic or keystone sessions, but they have slots at 11:5022:01
auggymtreinish: lol22:02
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mriedemmtreinish: but glance doesn't22:02
mriedembut our glance sessions at 2:20 is also when QA has a session22:02
mriedemso swapping there doesn't help22:02
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mriedemso that leaves swapping with unconference at 1:3022:03
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mriedemi just won't be there, i have the stable session at 1:3022:03
mriedemunless i don't need to go to that anymore...22:03
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mtreinishmriedem: oh, I guess I should be in the stable session too22:04
mtreinishI didn't even check that22:04
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mtreinishif the conflict is too hard to resolve it's not a big deal. I just thought I should bring it up22:04
mriedemthe thurs 1:30 stable session content is probably going to mostly depend on the results of the tuesday xp sessions that impact stable22:04
mriedembut there are like 3 sessions on tuesday that impact stable22:05
mriedemanyway, i have to run and get my kid22:05
mriedemwill be online later22:05
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bauzasgosh, the new summit schedule website is getting me nervous22:13
bauzasthe foundation should have made an offer to buy sched.co instead :p22:14
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melwittbauzas: +122:14
melwittI can't find anything easily in this new schedule22:15
bauzasI liked the grid view22:15
bauzaswhere you can compare the tracks and decide what you want to follow22:16
bauzasplus the ICS export22:17
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auggyyeah i'm going through it now myself and man22:25
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