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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Switch to oslo.cache lib https://review.openstack.org/274468 | 00:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Lavalle proposed openstack/nova: Use instance hostname for Neutron DNS https://review.openstack.org/271578 | 01:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Expose quiesce/unquiesce API https://review.openstack.org/248989 | 01:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: neutronv2: Allow Neutron to specify OVS/LB bridge. https://review.openstack.org/260700 | 01:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Jinxing Fang proposed openstack/nova: Move the shutdown_retry_interval to nova.conf https://review.openstack.org/272071 | 01:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Add checks for volume status when rebuilding https://review.openstack.org/217567 | 01:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/nova: XenAPI:Resolve Nova/Neutron race condition https://review.openstack.org/241127 | 02:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Trivial: Fix a typo in test_policy.py https://review.openstack.org/273948 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/nova: Trivial: Fix a typo in test_policy.py https://review.openstack.org/273948 | 03:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | xiexs proposed openstack/nova: Add description for trigger crash dump https://review.openstack.org/273376 | 03:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova: Fix missing marker functions in nova/pci https://review.openstack.org/274497 | 04:27 |
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| chhavi | ildikov: will the multiattach changes for nova will be merged in mitaka | 05:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark proposed openstack/nova: For better visibility of code, constants defined. https://review.openstack.org/274508 | 05:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark proposed openstack/nova: For better visibility of code, constants defined. https://review.openstack.org/274508 | 06:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ren Qiaowei proposed openstack/nova: Replace exit() by sys.exit() https://review.openstack.org/274522 | 07:04 |
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| ankit_ag | hi All, Can someone please help reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185549/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221162/ | 07:05 |
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| bauzas | good morning Nova | 08:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused provider firewall rules functionality in nova https://review.openstack.org/184027 | 08:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove provider_fw_rules tables and associated db api methods https://review.openstack.org/216242 | 08:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/nova: Apply scheduler limits to Exact* filters https://review.openstack.org/273154 | 09:42 |
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| xwizard_ | hi there | 10:06 |
| xwizard_ | we have a strange error on one environment with Mitaka | 10:06 |
| xwizard_ | When I'm trying to boot VM I get http://paste.openstack.org/show/485571/ | 10:06 |
| xwizard_ | could anybody tell what is wrong with this environment? | 10:07 |
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| jordanP | guys, since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271508/ (Move default Keystone API version to v3) os-assisted-volume-snapshots are broken | 10:41 |
| jordanP | there's either a bug in novaclient or in the way it's instantiated/configured but in my keystone logs I got: | 10:42 |
| sdague | jordanP: link? | 10:42 |
| jordanP | 127.0.0.1 - - [29/Jan/2016:11:59:48 +0000] "POST /v3/v2.0/tokens HTTP/1.1" 404 93 "-" "python-novaclient" 3099(us) | 10:42 |
| jordanP | no link yet, it's my CI, os-assisted-volume-snapshots are tested in the scality ci or quabyte ci and possibly glusterfs ci also | 10:42 |
| sdague | this is cinder calling novaclient? | 10:43 |
| jordanP | cinder volume calls nova-api and then nova-api calls keystone | 10:43 |
| jordanP | https://37.187.159.67:5443/job/cinder-sofs-validate/13065/artifact/jenkins-logs/apache/ | 10:43 |
| sdague | ok | 10:43 |
| jordanP | interesting files are c-vol, c-api and apache/keystone_access.txt | 10:44 |
| jordanP | starts with c-vol, look for TRACE, note the timestamp and search the other files | 10:44 |
| jordanP | I am 99% sure | 10:44 |
| sdague | right, so novaclient seems to be constructing keystone authurl incorrectly | 10:44 |
| jordanP | yep | 10:44 |
| sdague | honestly, I think it's just going to require some digging | 10:45 |
| jordanP | yep, I am on it | 10:45 |
| sdague | cool | 10:45 |
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| jordanP | humm no, in fact it's cinder-vol which instantiate python-novaclient and then novaclient talks to keystone, so it's more a bug in cinder | 10:48 |
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| sdague | ah, cool | 11:04 |
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| lpetrut | Hi guys. Quick question: is python-novaclient supposed to work with Keystone v3? | 11:06 |
| jordanP | :) | 11:07 |
| lpetrut | whops, just saw the previous messages | 11:07 |
| jordanP | lpetrut, problems is over here I think: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/compute/nova.py#L104 | 11:07 |
| jordanP | it's a cinder bug | 11:07 |
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| lpetrut | we had the same issue, digging a bit through the nova client, I've seem something that seemed a bit odd | 11:08 |
| lpetrut | https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/client.py#L558-L586 this doesn't seem right | 11:08 |
| jordanP | interesting | 11:09 |
| lpetrut | as far as I've seen, if the version is not v2.0, it tries to use v1.1 auth, if that fails, it adds /v2.0 to the url and tries a v2 auth | 11:09 |
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| lpetrut | and that's why we get the wrong urls | 11:09 |
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| jordanP | indeed that python-novaclient code looks weird | 11:11 |
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| lpetrut | what we did for the Windows SMB CI, we've just set os_privileged_user_auth_url, requesting v2.0 for the moment | 11:13 |
| lpetrut | but IMO, the novaclient should be fixed | 11:13 |
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| sdague | yeh, agreed, that is some weird old code | 11:13 |
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| jordanP | lpetrut, I am going to try that as a work around, thanks for the tip | 11:14 |
| sdague | there is nothing in cinder that triggers this in a normal gate job/ | 11:14 |
| sdague | ? | 11:14 |
| sdague | I'm trying to understand how nothing caught this when we did the devstack default flip | 11:14 |
| jordanP | gluster-ci is affected | 11:14 |
| lpetrut | as far as I know, Cinder uses the nova client only for volume assisted snapshots | 11:14 |
| jordanP | but it's not reporting to devstack | 11:14 |
| bauzas | sdague: heya, around for a quick question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273042/3/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py ? | 11:14 |
| jordanP | only to cinder changes | 11:14 |
| bauzas | sdague: it's more a wondering I have | 11:15 |
| bauzas | sdague: given that updated_at is not indexed, I wonder if operators could have this query being long to be executed if they have lots of fixed ips | 11:16 |
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| bauzas | sdague: since I'm not a nova-network expert, I need to understand if the call of FixedIP.associate_pool() could be then creating a problem | 11:17 |
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| bauzas | sdague: maybe I'm just nitpicking, hence me pinging you | 11:18 |
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| sdague | bauzas: good question, and I don't know | 11:19 |
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| bauzas | sdague: well, I mean, I'm almost fine | 11:21 |
| bauzas | sdague: but I need to review the callers | 11:21 |
| bauzas | (and then going into the nova-network world :p ) | 11:21 |
| sdague | it's triggered on instance_create | 11:21 |
| sdague | as long as you don't specify the address | 11:21 |
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| sdague | I wonder if johnthetubaguy has thought about that on the index side | 11:22 |
| bauzas | not sure he's there yet | 11:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just online | 11:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | just hiding | 11:23 |
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| bauzas | heh, recovering from FOSDEM beers | 11:23 |
| bauzas | right? :p | 11:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | just the traveling, only had two beers in the end (but they were dam good ones) | 11:24 |
| sdague | jordanP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264764/2/novaclient/client.py is a related patch, but melwitt correctly had some issues with it. That might be a reasonable starting point to sort out your issue though | 11:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | <sdague>: Hi, I have a question, in https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/scheduler_hints.py#L34 we got this note about using "OS-SCH-HNT:scheduler_hints" in the top level of request body and as a subset of servers dict. | 11:24 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: Hi, I have a question, in https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/scheduler_hints.py#L34 we got this note about using "OS-SCH-HNT:scheduler_hints" in the top level of request body and as a subset of servers dict. | 11:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: bauzas : sorry, what was the index thing, the nova-network thing? this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273042/3/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py | 11:25 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh | 11:25 |
| bauzas | yup | 11:25 |
| jordanP | sdague, I'll have a look, thanks | 11:25 |
| bauzas | was just wondering if that would be bad if operators having a lot of fixed ips | 11:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: It is quite misleading, as the code only supports top level version | 11:26 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: the intent is that scheduler hints move into the server body at a later date. | 11:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm tempted to +W it, but I'd love some other feedback | 11:26 |
| bauzas | performance-wise | 11:26 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: We have a JUNO deployment, it supports server body in v2. | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: bauzas: naturally, we use melange in production, but just thinking about it. | 11:27 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: inside srever body | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: bauzas: the internets says it really bad: https://www.percona.com/blog/2006/09/01/order-by-limit-performance-optimization/ | 11:28 |
| bauzas | that I know, I was a bit torn | 11:28 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: So the plan is to support it inside server body | 11:28 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: ok, well feel free to propose a remove and point to where the code does it already | 11:28 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but if you have large memory for that, a full scan is okay if you have like <1000 items | 11:29 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: If we are planning to support it as a subset of server dict, how about I do it in the next release? | 11:30 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: that's fine | 11:30 |
| sdague | bauzas: we default to a /20 which is ~ 1000 addresses | 11:31 |
| sdague | we're already table scanning though, right? | 11:31 |
| bauzas | sdague: that's exactly what I'm looking :) | 11:31 |
| sdague | given that we're matchin on so many columns | 11:31 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sdague: Hm, thanks alot, I will propose a topic in API sub-meeting once I have detailed spec submitted. | 11:31 |
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| bauzas | but the FixedIP table has lots of indexeds | 11:32 |
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| bauzas | meh, found | 11:32 |
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| bauzas | sdague: 'reserved' is not indexed, so that's already a full scan | 11:32 |
| sdague | ok, so it's no worse than current | 11:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: is it not hitting this one? https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L852 | 11:33 |
| bauzas | sdague: just verifying that it uses the same memory pools for that | 11:33 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh snap | 11:34 |
| bauzas | yeah | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a feeling we should update the index here | 11:34 |
| bauzas | ideally, an EXPLAIN should clarify | 11:34 |
| bauzas | I could spin off a devstack | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | that table size is always going to be bigger in size than the number of active VMs on the system | 11:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: +1 for explain, I know its uses of indexes on this big queries is non-obvious | 11:35 |
| bauzas | or we could ask jay :) | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | or both | 11:35 |
| bauzas | heh, firing my local VM atm | 11:36 |
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| bauzas | meh, Atom is so greedy... | 11:37 |
| sdague | yeh, though, honestly, looking at our db performance is probably a separate, dedicated effort | 11:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: granted the bug is more important, just a bit worried about a massive performance regression, it smells worth a double check | 11:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: on the other hand, we do want folks to move to neutron... | 11:39 |
| bauzas | sdague: yeah, I totally understand your point, I just want to double-check | 11:40 |
| dims | sdague, johnthetubaguy : over the weekend whipped the oslo.cache review into shape - please take a look when you get a chance (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274468/) | 11:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: what about merge this, and fixup with an index add in a follow up, if needed? | 11:41 |
| bauzas | that would totally be acceptable | 11:41 |
| bauzas | given that most of operators running large pools of ips don't do CD I guess | 11:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | just thinking, the gate is starting to see these races, so this should help with that | 11:41 |
| dims | sdague : johnthetubaguy : the issue with earlier effort was that the deprecation and support for when the old and new style configs would kick in | 11:41 |
| lpetrut | johnthetubaguy: Hi. Could you please reconsider the -2 on this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258615/ It's actually an important bug fix, not a feature. The bug was even marked as a security bug and soon became public. I agree that the topic is misleading, as it was in the chain of a BP | 11:42 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's acceptable | 11:42 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well start as in ... for the last year | 11:42 |
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| lpetrut | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 11:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | lpetrut: ah, yes, I see what you mean, removed the -2 for the first two patches. Given this is an important bug, it feels like it should really appear in this list somwhere: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 11:44 |
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| lpetrut | indeed, I'm putting it on that list right now. thanks | 11:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | lpetrut: cool, thank you | 11:44 |
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| bauzas | sdague: johnthetubaguy: so the new query makes use of filesort, it's confirmed | 11:49 |
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| bauzas | sdague: johnthetubaguy: I'm going to +W the change but leave my comments | 11:49 |
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| bauzas | saying that we should add a new index if necessary | 11:49 |
| bauzas | http://paste.openstack.org/show/485590/ FWIW | 11:50 |
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| zigo | It looks like the [neutron] section is missing the auth_url directive, where can this be fixed? | 11:54 |
| zigo | bauzas: Do you know? | 11:54 |
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| * zigo double checks... | 11:55 | |
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| dims | zigo : i believe we pull them from keystoneclient - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#n97 | 11:59 |
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| zigo | dims: My bad, it looks ok in my generated file. | 12:02 |
| dims | zigo : cool! | 12:02 |
| zigo | dims: I just had *A LOT* of troubles getting auth stuff right in neutron.conf and nova.conf, as things changed significantly with v3. | 12:02 |
| zigo | (keystone v3, that is...) | 12:02 |
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| zigo | dims: Though I believe I'll be able to fix my CI pretty quickly. | 12:02 |
| zigo | (I could make it work by manual changes in the config files) | 12:03 |
| dims | zigo : ack. right. let's hop onto keystone if you are still stuck | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: just for ensure, we still can merge non-priority patch until 5th February? | 12:04 |
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| zigo | dims: I didn't dream, something is really missing: [keystone_authtoken]/auth_url isn't there !!! | 12:09 |
| zigo | (ie: the issue isn't in [neutron]) | 12:09 |
| zigo | Where's that? | 12:09 |
| dims | alex_xu : bauzas : i would love to get your reviews on the oslo.cache non-priority (but bp approved) patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274468/ | 12:09 |
| jmccarthy | Hello ! Am I in the correct channel for a compute/vnc question ? | 12:10 |
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| dims | zigo : back in a few mins | 12:11 |
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| jmccarthy | Just trying to sort out why serial console to an instance is fine, but vnc gives black screen (been trying all kinds of config options) with xl/qemu hypervisor | 12:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'instance_tags' https://review.openstack.org/244058 | 12:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'flavor' https://review.openstack.org/244029 | 12:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Wang Bo proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Use # noqa to ignore one line but not whole file https://review.openstack.org/274637 | 12:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Add new API to force live migration to complete https://review.openstack.org/245921 | 12:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Add new DB API method to retrieve migration for instance https://review.openstack.org/257270 | 12:34 |
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| sdague | bauzas: can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268873 - and see if those tests translate correctly? | 12:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: basically, yes, I have -2ed a whole bunch of stuff at the weekend to try and focus our efforts, likely to keep increasing the focus as the deadline draws closer | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: got an email about that docimpact change discussion, just wanted to check I understand it | 13:01 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, fire away | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: as an extra job, its a dump waste of resources, I support that | 13:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: in general it didn't seem a terrible idea though, right? | 13:02 |
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| sdague | it makes jenkins vote on commit messages | 13:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: oh, wait, I think I see the ML post now, wasn't really sure what that check did, one sec, reading | 13:02 |
| sdague | which it currently does not do | 13:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, I was thinking we did those format checks already, in hacking or something | 13:03 |
| sdague | No, we removed those all | 13:03 |
| sdague | for this reason | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, gotcha | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | wait, I don't remember why, because the machine made bad arbitrary decisions? | 13:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: objects: added 'os_secure_boot' property to ImageMetaProps object https://review.openstack.org/237593 | 13:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot https://review.openstack.org/209581 | 13:07 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: 2 big issues | 13:07 |
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| sdague | #1 - local reproduce. We have to start building some weird things to do local checks because you aren't testing the state of the tree (like tox expects) but some other random metadata | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks, copy that | 13:08 |
| sdague | so you have to start doing git commands to exact things, getting more complicated on patch series. Or you just punt (which is what we did) and people's patches pass locally, die in the gate | 13:09 |
| sdague | and everyone gets pissed off | 13:09 |
| sdague | #2 - gerrit has a facility to potentially not reset jenkins scores on a commit message only change | 13:09 |
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| sdague | which would mean -1 doesn't include the bug ref, could keep all the test scores | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | totally forgotten all that, gotcha | 13:10 |
| sdague | and not require running 30 tempest jobs | 13:10 |
| sdague | because of an updated bug ref in the commit message | 13:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, totally agreed thats the wrong trade off | 13:10 |
| sdague | while that is not yet implemented, it is a thing we keep nudging closer to | 13:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean bug triage wise, we totally run on tagged bugs, so thats all good | 13:11 |
| sdague | and don't want anything to block that direction | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 that | 13:11 |
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| sdague | so, anyway, it was an unfortunate case where some of that information wasn't in the heads of the people that things circled around with, a pretty complicated solution was built, and it wasn't until after it started rolling out that it caught my attention and I could bring the concerns to the table | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, sounds like that didn't get on the ML in front of people early enough | 13:13 |
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| sdague | andrearosa: can you take a look at my comments on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259528/ - it's mostly about how embedded the logic ends up getting | 13:20 |
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| andrearosa | sdague: I will, thank you very much for the review | 13:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Replace stubs.Set with stub_out (utils) https://review.openstack.org/267950 | 13:35 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: markus_z did mention going on holiday after the midcycle | 13:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: ah, I missed that, I know he wasn't feeling too good on one of the days, hopefully he has recovered before his holiday! | 13:49 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: :) | 13:49 |
| sdague | dims: the oslo.cache change feels late and risky. Do we know if other projects have made the transition smoothly | 13:49 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: probably that English food. | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: I am doing a quick ML post to summarise the midcycle | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: heh, quite possibly | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: it does seem a bit post freeze, large change ish, but I just looked at the size of the diff, not what changed | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: particularly given keystone's fun with their caching | 13:50 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:50 |
| sdague | that's where I'm concerned on the ramifications | 13:51 |
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| dims | sdague : heat, ceilometer, keystone have switched over. the main bulk of the changes were reviewed earlier the sticking point was how/when the old and new configurations would kick in. | 13:51 |
| sdague | ok | 13:51 |
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| sdague | well, then the answer is "yes" | 13:52 |
| sdague | that makes me more comfortable | 13:52 |
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| dims | sdague : if you are ok with just the way the config options work, pavel, sergey and me will test a whole lot more today/tomorrow with CI and standalone | 13:53 |
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| dims | sdague : so need feeback mainly on cache_utils.py | 13:53 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yo, ironic-networks-support isn't on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-non-priority-ff-tracking , are you opinionated where in the etherpad I should add that? | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: let me check the BP one sec | 13:55 |
| jroll | sure | 13:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: oh wait, I marked it as implemented, sounds like that incorrect? | 13:55 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: heh, should be partially implemented https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/ | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: oh right, so I added the (partial) in the title | 13:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: when do you think that will be ready to land? | 13:57 |
| sdague | dims: ok, let me look again in detail | 13:57 |
| sdague | dims: there are a bunch of import moves I think were done by accident | 13:57 |
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| jichen | danpb: hi, could you please let me know whether you have time for several questions? | 13:58 |
| dims | sdague : ack will fix those 2 spots | 13:59 |
| openstackgerrit | dstepanenko proposed openstack/nova: Remove pci stats module entirely https://review.openstack.org/262240 | 13:59 |
| sdague | dims: yeh, the config option logic seems fine | 13:59 |
| dims | cool. we'll fix up the rest of the things we spotted this morning and ping back tomorrow. thanks sdague | 14:00 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: also, I think you should weigh in on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273042/ | 14:00 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: it's waiting on a longish chain that ends in api changes, and depends on client work as well, so realistically I'm unsure but it's close... hoping by m-3 | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so thats newton for our side I fear, we have a lot of the priority work we need to make room for now | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: sorry, miss read what bauzas said about that | 14:01 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: I understand | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: at least we got the first lot in | 14:02 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: just one thing, the last patch that landed will need an api version bump to really work right, would you be okay with landing just this bit? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/4/nova/virt/ironic/client_wrapper.py | 14:03 |
| jroll | I can split that part out | 14:03 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: keeping in mind, that would still need to wait for the api changes in ironic | 14:04 |
| jroll | and maybe the client changes? ugh, we messed this one up | 14:05 |
| kaisers1 | jordanP: ping - you have a sec regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1522402? | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522402 in python-novaclient "Novaclient does not support v3 Keystone API" [High,Confirmed] | 14:05 |
| jordanP | kaisers1, yes | 14:05 |
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| kaisers1 | jordanP: great, only a quick q: Can you add a hint on the workarounds you mention in that ticket's comment to the ticket? | 14:06 |
| kaisers1 | jordanP: Maybe e.g. a link if that's documented somewhere? | 14:06 |
| jordanP | sure, will do | 14:06 |
| jordanP | now | 14:06 |
| kaisers1 | jordanP: thanks! :) | 14:06 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yeah, so I'd like to bump the client's api version at a minimum, but that will need to wait for api/client changes on the ironic side, so same time frame. :/ | 14:06 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: for context, this is our big thing this cycle, I'd hate for the nova side to wait an extra cycle for a 6-line change. I could take or leave the portgroups thing | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so this is totally case by case, if the stars align, lets see what we can do | 14:09 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I'm just wondering if I should follow the usual FFE process now, or hit you up in a few weeks when that's landable | 14:10 |
| jroll | because right now, it can't land at all and so obviously should not be ffe | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so the deadline for merge is this friday | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so I wouldn't bother with that FFE | 14:11 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so while I remember... | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: we were talking about testing at the midcycle | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: I am thinking of adding a log into the ironic driver warning that is experimental, while we work to improve our CI around ironic | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: now I know thats totally rude, but I am looking for a way to give you all a good excuse to get the time to improve the CI, I am open to negotiations/ideas on the best way forward | 14:15 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yeah, let me think about it | 14:19 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: as we learned from nova-baremetal, marking something experimental doesn't actually do much :) | 14:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | dstepanenko proposed openstack/nova: Go away from using PciDeviceStats consume_requests https://review.openstack.org/243131 | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | dstepanenko proposed openstack/nova: Add PciDevicePoolList.get_all method https://review.openstack.org/250757 | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | dstepanenko proposed openstack/nova: Add PciDevicePoolList.get_by_compute_node method https://review.openstack.org/247692 | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | dstepanenko proposed openstack/nova: Added support_requests method to PciDevicePoolList https://review.openstack.org/242087 | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: yeah, we just need a "help test me" signal, that log message is all thats worked in the past | 14:29 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: yep, will ponder | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: remember the talk we had on limits, mgoddard__ catched that some filters were missing it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273154/4 | 14:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Yuriy Zveryanskyy proposed openstack/nova: Ironic: remove backwards compatibility code https://review.openstack.org/274696 | 14:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | esracelik proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for cells options https://review.openstack.org/274698 | 14:53 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: just saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189279/27/nova/scheduler/filters/type_filter.py getting merged :( | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I don't quite get how that works actually | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Make use of new Console and ConsolePool objects https://review.openstack.org/267540 | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Add Console and ConsolePool objects https://review.openstack.org/267539 | 15:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I was missing that the change was specless | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: must be one we reviewed in the nova-meeting I guess | 15:04 |
| bauzas | but now, we're adding a fresh new filter for only a subset of another filter :( | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I got the impression it was a usability thing | 15:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's my fault | 15:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I probably missed that one | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: do a fast revert if you would -2 it if you saw it | 15:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah that's totally an UX thing | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean the scheduler has users, maybe just a a note in those docs describing how one is actually only a subset of the more complicated filter? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: actually, a better patch would be to have different config, but just use the other filter inside the new filter... | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | I dunno | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: force revert it, if you want that, I totally forgot that discussion | 15:07 |
| bauzas | well, I need to think more about that | 15:07 |
| dansmith | bauzas: policy says to fast revert and ask questions later | 15:07 |
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| dansmith | so just do it and we can always re-merge | 15:07 |
| dansmith | better to be quick | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | it's more like I see the gap, but I don't like adding a new filter for just that gap | 15:09 |
| dansmith | more overlapping filters seems confusing to me, so I tend to agree | 15:11 |
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| dansmith | even though I haven't digested this actual case | 15:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove and deprecate conductor provider_fw_rule_get_all() https://review.openstack.org/216241 | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused provider firewall rules functionality in nova https://review.openstack.org/184027 | 15:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove provider_fw_rules tables and associated db api methods https://review.openstack.org/216242 | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/os-vif: introduce vif.PluginConfig https://review.openstack.org/266768 | 15:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V Shielded VMs spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-shielded-vms https://review.openstack.org/274709 | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V Shielded VMs spec https://review.openstack.org/274709 | 15:27 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I would suggest we make sure to allow that scheduler thing to re-enter the tree (post deadline) after bauzas reverts it, we have the appropriate discussion, and we become comfortable with the outcome.. agreed? | 15:30 |
| dansmith | assuming we become comfortable and don't think that it drags on too long to be a risk | 15:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Expose instance lazy-loads in our test runs that can be squashed https://review.openstack.org/274714 | 15:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Stop using mox (scheduler) https://review.openstack.org/268873 | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Record the open question around resource audits https://review.openstack.org/274716 | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: ^ | 15:39 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: cool.. I certainly don't want to discourage fast-reverts because of a deadline | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I am for the opposite really, encourage them and watch out of mistakes | 15:40 |
| dansmith | yeah | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not encourage the mistakes, obviously... | 15:40 |
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| dansmith | ideally we'd not be doing a lot of reverting because it's dangerous for deployers, but I want people to feel like it's okay to do it, especially hours after the original merge | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, agreed. | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: question on your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274716/1/specs/mitaka/approved/resource-providers.rst you mean online data migrations? | 15:42 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: we're going to have to do an online migration to build the current table.. if we decide to add another mapping table afterwards, we'll have to iterate all the data again to build *that* one | 15:42 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: which is why I'd rather build them together at once | 15:42 |
| rcrit | in nova/hooks.py and http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/api/nova.hooks.html but I can find no HookLoaders class. | 15:43 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: but I think you said "we have to solve it one way or the other" which is fine I think | 15:43 |
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| rcrit | does it mean use loadables like with weights and schedule filters? | 15:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Revert "Added new scheduler filter: AggregateTypeExtraSpecsAffinityFilter" https://review.openstack.org/274725 | 15:46 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: +2'd ^ | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: thanks, +W | 15:49 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: dansmith: honestly, it's all my fault :( | 15:50 |
| bauzas | it was in my review queue | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its also mine, I should have spotted that | 15:50 |
| bauzas | I should have paid attention to it sooner | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: teaches me for avoid an oVirt presentation by doing some reviews | 15:50 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:50 |
| diana_clarke | bauzas: Thanks for the review! How do you want this split up? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268873/ Into 7 patches (one per file)? | 15:51 |
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| diana_clarke | bauzas: I like it in one logical chunk, and worry about getting 7 patches worth of reviews, but I will if you want... | 15:51 |
| bauzas | diana_clarke: not really, I was more concerned by the time it took me :) | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | diana_clarke: so, I'll queue up your change and do the review again | 15:52 |
| diana_clarke | bauzas: Yup, I hear you. I reviewed some of the mox stuff last week and it's really time consuming. | 15:52 |
| bauzas | fortunately, that's just quite idendical behavioural checks | 15:53 |
| bauzas | identical even | 15:53 |
| diana_clarke | bauzas: awesome, thanks! | 15:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: thinking about adding this spec revision to capture the audit problem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274716/1/specs/mitaka/approved/resource-providers.rst what do you think? | 15:54 |
| dansmith | rlrossit: I think it's fine to keep working on the dictectomy stuff past FF.. it's just cleanup | 15:56 |
| dansmith | rlrossit: I understand your frustration, just FYHI | 15:56 |
| dansmith | er, FYI even | 15:56 |
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| rlrossit | dansmith: oh boy. that means I'm special! | 16:02 |
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| rlrossit | but yeah, I mostly quit on that one out of frustration, then I had the oslo.messaging stuff to work on | 16:03 |
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| mriedem | dictectomy | 16:13 |
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| rlrossit | mriedem_away: aren't you supposed to be on vacation? | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Stop using mox (scheduler) https://review.openstack.org/268873 | 16:19 |
| mriedem_away | rlrossit: yes | 16:19 |
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| mriedem_away | but the weather in AZ sucks right now | 16:20 |
| mriedem_away | and the price is right isn't doing it for me | 16:20 |
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| mgoddard | mgoddard | 16:22 |
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| mgoddard | ^ wrong window, sorry folks! | 16:23 |
| wznoinsk | dansmith, are you around? | 16:24 |
| dansmith | wznoinsk: on a call for the next 90 minutes (at least) | 16:24 |
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| wznoinsk | dansmith, whenever you have a moment there... I'm here working on Intel NFV CI and I wanted to chat about it and any problems (except for lagging) people see | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Make use of new Console and ConsolePool objects https://review.openstack.org/267540 | 16:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Add Console and ConsolePool objects https://review.openstack.org/267539 | 16:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wang Bo proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Use # noqa to ignore one line but not whole file https://review.openstack.org/274637 | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/nova: [WIP - DO NOT MERGE] Testing LXC Gate https://review.openstack.org/274792 | 17:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Expose instance lazy-loads in our test runs that can be squashed https://review.openstack.org/274714 | 17:17 |
| zigo | Someone got to explain to me why nova has the directive [neutron]/auth_plugin and Neutron has [nova]/auth_type, both doing the same thing !!! | 17:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova: Improve the help text for the legacy API options https://review.openstack.org/273266 | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | zigo: you mean the bit were Nova calls neutron and Neutron calls Nova | 17:20 |
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| zigo | johnthetubaguy: Yeah... | 17:22 |
| sdague | zigo: transitional? | 17:22 |
| zigo | johnthetubaguy: The selection of keystoneclient plugin. | 17:22 |
| zigo | sdague: What is supposed to be the *new* name? | 17:22 |
| zigo | Are we moving from type to plugin ? | 17:22 |
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| sdague | auth_type | 17:23 |
| zigo | I hope we get that fixed for b3, because it's *very* confusing. | 17:23 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253793/23/nova/tests/unit/network/test_neutronv2.py | 17:23 |
| sdague | this is the transition from keystoneclient -> keystoneauth | 17:23 |
| zigo | Ah ok, thanks. | 17:24 |
| sdague | the patch in nova *just* landed | 17:24 |
| sdague | like an hour ago | 17:24 |
| zigo | :) | 17:24 |
| sdague | hey, notmorgan, what is the upgrade story around all of that? | 17:25 |
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| * zigo hopes that his 24th launch of Mitaka b2 tempest run will be the correct one after this fix... | 17:28 | |
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| stevemar | mriedem_away: you at LCA? | 17:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: Finish post live migration even when exception occurs https://review.openstack.org/235994 | 17:51 |
| notmorgan | sdague: around what? | 17:53 |
| notmorgan | sdague: reading backlog | 17:53 |
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| notmorgan | auth_plugin is the old version | 17:54 |
| notmorgan | auth_type is new. | 17:54 |
| notmorgan | zigo, sdague: ^ often they are interchangable depcreated auth_plugin | 17:54 |
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| notmorgan | but auth_plugin is keystoneclient specifics. | 17:55 |
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| notmorgan | and auth_type is new. | 17:55 |
| zigo | notmorgan: My issue here was what got oslo-generated which broke my CI ... :P | 17:55 |
| notmorgan | how did it break your CI and not gate? | 17:56 |
| * notmorgan wants to know the differences in what is happening | 17:56 | |
| sdague | we don't generate config files upstream | 17:56 |
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| sdague | because it breaks way too often when libraries add / remove options | 17:57 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: right | 17:57 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: the only way to do generate sanely is how keystone does...and that still has some issues. | 17:57 |
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| notmorgan | is this a generate issue zigo ? | 17:58 |
| notmorgan | like the generate itself fails? | 17:58 |
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| stevemar | sdague: starting an etherpad for devstack & keystone bits | 17:59 |
| sdague | stevemar: great, thanks | 17:59 |
| zigo | notmorgan: No, as in "why the fuck is my CI broken and stuff". The message "discovery failed" wasn't quite helpful at all... | 17:59 |
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| zigo | notmorgan: That's what I got as a debug message: | 18:01 |
| zigo | tempest_lib.exceptions.ServerFault: Got server fault | 18:01 |
| zigo | Details: Unexpected API Error. Please report this at http://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/ and attach the Nova API log if possible. | 18:01 |
| zigo | <class 'keystoneauth1.exceptions.discovery.DiscoveryFailure'> | 18:01 |
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| zigo | There's room for improvement here ! :) | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | so, i think this is related to devstack v3 default if you pulled that in... and we reverted | 18:01 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: ^ that seems like the issue we were seeing | 18:02 |
| sdague | notmorgan: it could be, honestly, I don't have the signature in my head | 18:02 |
| sdague | I mostly just saw a lot of things were broken | 18:02 |
| notmorgan | sdague: right neither do i :P | 18:02 |
| sdague | I'll blame them all on keystone :) | 18:02 |
| notmorgan | sdague: i think that was exactly what shade was seeing | 18:02 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: i'm trying to tally all the different ways it broke things... | 18:03 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack | 18:03 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: don't we have a couple gate jobs verifying this? | 18:03 |
| * notmorgan was almost certain we had a job that validated things. | 18:03 | |
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| sdague | notmorgan: in the other direction | 18:05 |
| sdague | so there were a lot of things to test v3 | 18:05 |
| sdague | assuming everything else tested v2 | 18:05 |
| sdague | and, yes, there are lots of jobs in the system that validate this, just not on devstack, which is ok | 18:06 |
| sdague | we just need to spot check those before another transition | 18:06 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: right | 18:06 |
| stevemar | right, there were mostly breaks in functional tests, i think | 18:06 |
| stevemar | assumptions that a v2 endpoint will be there | 18:07 |
| sdague | well, and assumptions about how to build endpoint urls because we've never really encoded that concept in | 18:07 |
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| notmorgan | so i think i have an idea here. | 18:07 |
| notmorgan | can we track a log or such that v2 was hit in a specific job? we can track with ELK maybe? | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | so we can chase everything down | 18:08 |
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| notmorgan | actually we can probably already do that. | 18:08 |
| sdague | notmorgan: as long as it's logged at INFO or in the console | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | hm... | 18:08 |
| sdague | at >= INFO | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | right | 18:08 |
| sdague | so probably | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | well on the keystone side we already have that in the access.log | 18:09 |
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| sdague | that was the reason for the idea of a warning if v2 is enabled | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | right | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | maybe we need to have a way to tweak on ksa/ksc session hitting v2 | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | so we can capture on the calling service side. | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | since request id isn't (afaik) persistent across <service> -> keystone [token] -> other service? | 18:10 |
| sdague | maybe, but I think we also need to realize that some clients just *don't* support v3, like novaclient. Which, I admit I forgot. | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | (yet) | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | well, nova client should work with v3 auth since it uses ksc.session | 18:11 |
| stevemar | sdague: afaict, it was just the functional tests that broke? | 18:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rushi Agrawal proposed openstack/nova: Remove mox from simple test_instance.py tests https://review.openstack.org/264292 | 18:11 |
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| sdague | notmorgan: except that it doesn't | 18:13 |
| sdague | because that change didn't look at the code structure | 18:13 |
| sdague | and the whole authenticate still bypasses it | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | sdague: oh like from the constructor - right, where it would if you passed in a session | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | ok to getting novaclient to OCC+KSA should address that. | 18:13 |
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| * notmorgan puts "revisit mordred's patch for novaclient" on the list. | 18:13 | |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/209f17224224e000a7e2c1ed3e698d7f7cb36864/novaclient/client.py#L531-L594 | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | and ensure v3 auth is all working from the "session doesn't already exist" code. | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | right | 18:14 |
| sdague | yeh | 18:14 |
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| sdague | we should probably file bugs for these big ones and track them for completion | 18:14 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: oh my this is going to be unfun unwinding tempest lib | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: going to need to write translation from keystone cli -> openstack cli | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: ^ cc | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | because keystone(self, action, flags='', params='', fail_ok=False, merge_stderr=False) | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | it just executes keystone cli things directly | 18:25 |
| notmorgan | ... | 18:25 |
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| sdague | yeh... | 18:32 |
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| sdague | we need mtreinish around for some of this discussion. Honestly, the problem is needing a declarative way to get a set of users / tenants. It's probably going to be easier to fix each of the tests instead of building that portability layer. | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | notmorgan: should be just nix the keystoneclient CLI functional tests? | 18:46 |
| stevemar | hmm, this is all sorts of tied together | 18:47 |
| notmorgan | sdague: yar | 18:47 |
| notmorgan | sdague: but i honestly don't know if we purport that tempestlib APIs are stable(ish) on that front | 18:47 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: it's a one-time-mapping deal for a deprecation period, but fixing things might just be simpler | 18:48 |
| sdague | notmorgan: it's a pass through, if we're saying that keystoneclient is not supported, then it should just not be supported | 18:48 |
| sdague | it's not a contract per say, it's litterally keystone("random bunch of args") | 18:48 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: right. ok i'm fine with that, then it's "load OSC in" and propose a fix that explodes so we can track down "keystoneclient was used" and fix tests | 18:49 |
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| sdague | in novaclient, it's because there is need for an alt tenant | 18:49 |
| sdague | (just reading now) | 18:49 |
| notmorgan | right. i saw that. | 18:49 |
| sdague | we could bake that into devstack, pull it from clouds.yaml, and be done with it | 18:49 |
| sdague | honestly, I expect that's the majority use case | 18:49 |
| notmorgan | sdague: i would hope that is the case. | 18:50 |
| notmorgan | sdague: but let me check to see how widespread the keystonecli use is in openstack... /me uses code hound search... sooo cool | 18:50 |
| sdague | notmorgan: ++ | 18:50 |
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| notmorgan | when i learned about it... I was super super excited. | 18:50 |
| notmorgan | it's just plain amazing | 18:50 |
| stevemar | so, i think we're gonna have to change tempest first, which should fix novaclient... then nuke keystonecli and it's tests (it's deprecated for 2 releases) | 18:50 |
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| notmorgan | sdague: might be just nova | 18:52 |
| notmorgan | sdague: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=tempest_lib.cli.base.CLIClient&i=nope&files=&repos= | 18:52 |
| sdague | notmorgan: yeh, that's promissing | 18:52 |
| notmorgan | let me check a couple variations. | 18:52 |
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| notmorgan | ah http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=tempest_lib.cli&i=nope&files=&repos= used a little more | 18:52 |
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| notmorgan | ok not massively widespread | 18:53 |
| sdague | and most of those aren't calling out to keystone | 18:53 |
| notmorgan | yeah | 18:53 |
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| notmorgan | shouldn't be horribvle to chase down / poke at / fix | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Prevent _heal_instance_info_cache() periodic lazy-loads https://review.openstack.org/274869 | 19:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Improve efficiency of Migration.instance property https://review.openstack.org/274870 | 19:45 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: not sure you saw this one from alaski https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273051/ | 19:57 |
| dansmith | ah, yeah, oops | 19:58 |
| bauzas | also, if some stable core would be happy with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269185/ :) | 19:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Improve efficiency of Migration.instance property https://review.openstack.org/274870 | 20:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: DNM: Expose instance lazy-loads in our test runs that can be squashed https://review.openstack.org/274714 | 20:03 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: done | 20:09 |
| bauzas | <3 | 20:09 |
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| bauzas | sdague: I've seen recently some changes using self.stub_out() for mocking some methods, but is this a new policy that I missed or is it still good to use mock.patch() and mock.patch.object() ? | 20:15 |
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| bauzas | or, as I guess, both are acceptable ? | 20:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I believe it is a substitute for self.stubs in replacing mox with mock | 20:16 |
| dansmith | bauzas: it's for mox replacement | 20:16 |
| dansmith | bauzas: not for mock replacement | 20:16 |
| dansmith | bauzas: what edleafe said | 20:16 |
| bauzas | okay, so, it's fine if some calls are using mock.patch ? | 20:17 |
| bauzas | because I dislike this kind of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268873/8/nova/tests/unit/scheduler/test_host_manager.py | 20:17 |
| bauzas | of course, it would require a contextmanager | 20:17 |
| bauzas | hence me maybe understanding why stub_out is better because it replaces only one line | 20:18 |
| dansmith | bauzas: stub_out is only for replacing mox usage | 20:18 |
| sdague | bauzas: stub_out is to allow a minimal transition | 20:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: it's also semantically very close to self.stubs.Set | 20:18 |
| bauzas | gotcha | 20:18 |
| edleafe | what sdague said | 20:18 |
| bauzas | thanks :) | 20:19 |
| sdague | right, so we could get rid of mox usage in all the tests that only used mox because of self.Stubs.Set | 20:19 |
| bauzas | sdague: but diana_clarke had some problems when stubs.Set were directly using existing objects, hence me pointing out the use of mock.patch.obj | 20:20 |
| sdague | bauzas: sure, example? | 20:20 |
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| bauzas | sdague: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268873/8/nova/tests/unit/scheduler/test_host_manager.py | 20:20 |
| sdague | right, not everything is going to direct translate | 20:20 |
| sdague | bauzas: right | 20:21 |
| bauzas | okay, I see now | 20:21 |
| bauzas | thanks for explaining | 20:21 |
| bauzas | my point was there https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268873/6/nova/tests/unit/scheduler/test_filter_scheduler.py | 20:21 |
| sdague | the complicated ones should be handled with a bit more thought, but I figured we could get 70% of them in direct translations | 20:21 |
| bauzas | yeah, stub_out looks good to me | 20:22 |
| sdague | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267897/ | 20:22 |
| bauzas | I see | 20:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Bogott proposed openstack/nova: Prevent scheduling of instances on full hosts. https://review.openstack.org/242251 | 22:08 |
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| SamYaple | so.. uhh. you guys are requiring nova_api database huh? what a time to be alive! | 22:10 |
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| SamYaple | dims: at default it should default to sqlite:// though (like the regular db) | 22:12 |
| SamYaple | granted i dont have a full working knowledge of the code base | 22:12 |
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| dims | sdague : dansmith : https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/df0fca62cf5324f5b6eae0fed1f88c6c9ed61c71/releasenotes/notes/request-spec-api-db-b9cc6e0624d563c5.yaml is breaking kolla | 22:13 |
| dmsimard | and puppet-openstack | 22:14 |
| dmsimard | and packstack :) | 22:14 |
| dmsimard | and triple-o | 22:14 |
| SamYaple | one of our core members had an anuersym since he is working on nova upgrades | 22:14 |
| dims | sdague : dansmith : if [api_database]/connection is not present, shouldn't we fall back on the older value? | 22:15 |
| SamYaple | he has since stopped responding | 22:15 |
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| bauzas | SamYaple: it was a requirement already for Liberty | 22:17 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: im not blaming anyone. this is lack of knowledge | 22:17 |
| dims | SamYaple : looks like conf_fixture was fixed to do what you suggeted - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164794/6/nova/tests/unit/conf_fixture.py | 22:18 |
| SamYaple | dims: cool. that will at least fail with a good message now | 22:18 |
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| SamYaple | oh wait. no thats merged | 22:18 |
| dims | bauzas : i thought a grenade update relies on older nova config file | 22:18 |
| dmsimard | SamYaple: that's march 20125 | 22:18 |
| SamYaple | yea | 22:18 |
| bauzas | dims: SamYaple: yeah I'm figuring out the grenade related change | 22:19 |
| dmsimard | bauzas: are you saying nova_api is meant to be used from Liberty and beyond ? | 22:19 |
| dmsimard | nova_api database* | 22:19 |
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| bauzas | dmsimard: so we added this new DB in Liberty, but the above change was the first to use it | 22:19 |
| dims | bauzas : dmsimard : SamYaple : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190399/15/projects/60_nova/from-liberty/upgrade-nova | 22:20 |
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| SamYaple | yea im fairly certain this is a lack of info. Liberty was the Kolla 1.0.0 and release notes for upgrade kilo-liberty were probably not read | 22:20 |
| SamYaple | therefore it was completely missed | 22:21 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190399/ | 22:21 |
| bauzas | dims: SamYaple^ | 22:21 |
| SamYaple | but apparently it was missed in puppet-openstack packstack and triple-o as well | 22:21 |
| dims | bauzas : y i beat you to it :) | 22:21 |
| bauzas | erf | 22:21 |
| bauzas | :p | 22:21 |
| dmsimard | There doesn't seem to be any notes around the nova api database in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty unless it's hidden in one of the blueprints | 22:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Stop using mox (scheduler) https://review.openstack.org/268873 | 22:21 |
| dims | SamYaple : while you are at it... looks like rootwrap compute.filters needs to be updated too - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/grenade/tree/projects/60_nova/from-liberty/upgrade-nova | 22:22 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: that's something I feel was missed hence the reno file | 22:22 |
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| SamYaple | dims: we pull those from source so were good there no issues | 22:22 |
| dims | ah cool | 22:23 |
| SamYaple | dims: each build pulls new ones from the repo. packages might matter for rdo though dmsimard | 22:23 |
| SamYaple | ugh let me go hit up openstack-ansible with this news too | 22:23 |
| dims | thanks SamYaple | 22:23 |
| dims | thanks bauzas | 22:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Stop using mox (scheduler) https://review.openstack.org/268873 | 22:24 |
| bauzas | what's weird is that it wasn't in the Liberty relnotes | 22:24 |
| dmsimard | bauzas: pretty sure we would've caught it otherwise :( | 22:24 |
| dmsimard | We have CI on trunk, even before liberty release (talking about RDO here) so we didn't hit this until that commit since you say that was the first thing to use it | 22:24 |
| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#Cells_v2 is providing a few notes but it wasn't explicit | 22:25 |
| SamYaple | thanks for the coordination dims. i appreciate it | 22:25 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: its there now, but openstack-ansible is affected as well. im pretty sure _most_ people missed this point | 22:25 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: you may want to hit the mailing list | 22:26 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: SamYaple: dims: oh hold on | 22:26 |
| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo#OpenStack_Compute_.28Nova.29 | 22:26 |
| SamYaple | esh | 22:26 |
| bauzas | that's in Kilo relnotes ! | 22:26 |
| SamYaple | still | 22:26 |
| dmsimard | lol | 22:27 |
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| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo#Cells_v2 to be clear | 22:27 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: im just going to post this to the ML real quick. most people won't be aware i think | 22:27 |
| bauzas | I could write a note | 22:27 |
| SamYaple | please do | 22:27 |
| dims | bauzas : thanks! | 22:28 |
| bauzas | not sure the -dev ML is the best place | 22:28 |
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| bauzas | because [nova] subject matter could not really help the CD guys | 22:28 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: i was thinking -dev adn -ops crosspost to be hostest | 22:28 |
| bauzas | oh man :) | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | this is a pretty big thing and it was entirely not clear | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | i had to pull out pdb to figure this out | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | but im not super familiar with the nova code | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | bauzas: this is the stack trace i get https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1540579 | 22:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540579 in kolla "nova-api -- No sql_connection parameter is established" [Undecided,New] | 22:29 |
| SamYaple | thats not super helpful when i know i have the db setup correctly | 22:30 |
| bauzas | well, the point was that we introduced the new DB (and the connection string opt) by Kilo | 22:30 |
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| bauzas | then adding a few tables (and some API DB interface) by Liberty | 22:30 |
| SamYaple | i mean no ones saying nova did bad here | 22:30 |
| bauzas | then calling those tables by Mitaka | 22:30 |
| SamYaple | but i would bet the community at large isnt aware | 22:30 |
| bauzas | SamYaple: yeah that's one of the reasons we're introducing reno | 22:30 |
| bauzas | to make sure all our features are having a reno file | 22:31 |
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| bauzas | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/code-review.html#when-a-release-note-is-needed | 22:31 |
| SamYaple | yea that will help moving forward for suure | 22:31 |
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| dansmith | dims: no, you have to have something set for api_database | 22:33 |
| dansmith | ah, I see bauzas answered | 22:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Replace stubs.Set with stub_out (api) https://review.openstack.org/268300 | 22:34 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yup, it seems that having a new DB created by the Kilo timeframe but only called by Mitaka timeframe left some CD guys thrown under the bus :) | 22:35 |
| bauzas | so, I'm just taking my pilgrim stick and writing a x-post email | 22:36 |
| dansmith | hmm, I'm not sure what you mean | 22:36 |
| * dansmith reads the bug | 22:36 | |
| dmsimard | dansmith: the database was introduced in kilo but not used until mitaka so there was no issues detected when the database was not created by deployment tools until now | 22:36 |
| dmsimard | So https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/df0fca62cf5324f5b6eae0fed1f88c6c9ed61c71/releasenotes/notes/request-spec-api-db-b9cc6e0624d563c5.yaml broke kolla, packstack, puppet-openstack, triple-o and openstack-ansible | 22:37 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: which is why we have "api-database-now-required" in release notes for mitaka, right? :) | 22:37 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: bauzas: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/df0fca62cf5324f5b6eae0fed1f88c6c9ed61c71/releasenotes/notes/api-database-now-required-6245f39d36885d1c.yaml | 22:38 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yup | 22:38 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: but I guess that until we don't call it explicitely, most things aren't catched :) | 22:38 |
| dmsimard | dansmith: back in november, huh. I'm going to need to setup a rss feed for them release notes or something | 22:39 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: I don't really know how else we could be more explicit, but... okay :) | 22:39 |
| bauzas | I don't disagree :p | 22:39 |
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| dansmith | if you're CDing from git, then I'd expect you should always look to see if the log between previous and master contains any changes to release notes :) | 22:39 |
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| SamYaple | dansmith: which we did | 22:39 |
| SamYaple | i dont think anyone is blaming nova | 22:40 |
| SamYaple | this was clearly missed by alot of people though | 22:40 |
| dansmith | ... okay :) | 22:40 |
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| bauzas | so, me was asked to write a x-post thread on that :) | 22:41 |
| prometheanfire | why does the nova-api database exist (why can't it just be a table)? | 22:41 |
| bauzas | prometheanfire: because it's a new model for sharding your cloud | 22:41 |
| bauzas | prometheanfire: which is currently in progress | 22:42 |
| dansmith | prometheanfire: right, because it'll be actually separate if you have multiple cells | 22:42 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 22:42 |
| prometheanfire | just seemed a bit odd | 22:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Replace stubs.Set with stub_out (utils) https://review.openstack.org/267950 | 22:42 |
| prometheanfire | would be nice if we had a caching thing, like redis or memcache for it :P | 22:42 |
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| bauzas | you can do what you mean | 22:43 |
| bauzas | s/mean/want | 22:43 |
| bauzas | but you conceptually need 2 connection strings | 22:43 |
| prometheanfire | true | 22:43 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/274923 | 22:46 |
| EmilienM | having a nice releasenote and say people to RTFM is not always helping | 22:46 |
| EmilienM | the proof: all installers running trunk are broken | 22:46 |
| EmilienM | we might want to learn something from here | 22:46 |
| SamYaple | EmilienM: this was my only point, yes :) | 22:47 |
| EmilienM | I thought we could do something in the code for backward compatibility but I'm probably wrong and not expert enough in Nova. | 22:47 |
| dansmith | EmilienM: nope, this is pretty major | 22:48 |
| EmilienM | dansmith: well, telling people to read all release notes is not fair in that case | 22:48 |
| EmilienM | a nice warning in Nova logs would have been awesome | 22:48 |
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| dansmith | EmilienM: and, "since kilo" seems like a lot of warning | 22:48 |
| EmilienM | ok, we all screwed up I guess | 22:48 |
| EmilienM | (we, automation guys deploying your stuff) | 22:49 |
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| EmilienM | as a retrospective, I would say send an email to openstack-dev with a bug subject like "THIS PATCH WILL BREAK YOU" lol | 22:49 |
| EmilienM | I'll pay you a beer next time if you do that | 22:49 |
| dmsimard | EmilienM: I think bauzas is already on that | 22:50 |
| EmilienM | beers? | 22:50 |
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| dansmith | EmilienM: and what about people that don't read the dev list? I mean, we could also tweet and post on the facebook wall, | 22:50 |
| SamYaple | EmilienM: way ahead of you | 22:50 |
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| bauzas | check your emails | 22:50 |
| dansmith | but where does it end? we have a channel for signaling things like this, and it's the release notes | 22:50 |
| bauzas | I totally agree with dansmith here | 22:50 |
| EmilienM | dansmith: people from ansible, puppet, chef, fuel, tripleo, etc.. read ML | 22:50 |
| EmilienM | lol "check your emails" | 22:50 |
| EmilienM | are you serious? ahah | 22:51 |
| bauzas | EmilienM: that's why moving to reno was a good opportunity | 22:51 |
| dansmith | EmilienM: and not the release notes? I mean, I miss a ton of stuff in the firehose of the mailing list, but there is _one_ place to go to look for breaking changes in a new release... :) | 22:51 |
| bauzas | anyhow, /me is about to leave | 22:51 |
| bauzas | not sure having a warning log could have helped more | 22:52 |
| EmilienM | you can say everything about the process | 22:52 |
| EmilienM | it broke all installers/automation tools in OpenStack. | 22:52 |
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| EmilienM | so there is something we can discuss here | 22:52 |
| dansmith | EmilienM: TBH, a _lot_ of projects a re a lot less careful about documenting upgrade issues and general release notes than nova, so I feel kinda sad that we | 22:52 |
| dansmith | aren't doing enough here | 22:52 |
| bauzas | EmilienM: well, the point is that until it's broken, nobody notices it :) | 22:53 |
| EmilienM | bauzas: it would, operators actually read it | 22:53 |
| EmilienM | ask mfisch | 22:53 |
| dansmith | EmilienM: the part of the process I'd like to understand is how installers are thinking that reading the release notes is not necessary.. let's spend time fixing _that_ :) | 22:53 |
| EmilienM | dansmith: I never said it's not necessary | 22:53 |
| EmilienM | it's just not enough, it seems by what happened on this case. | 22:53 |
| dansmith | ? | 22:53 |
| dansmith | it's in the release notes! | 22:53 |
| bauzas | I've been told that our new API endpoint was also in the notes but not acked by operators although we decently communicated on that one too | 22:54 |
| dansmith | there was a warning in kilo | 22:54 |
| dansmith | and it's clearly documented in mitaka, | 22:54 |
| dansmith | which isn't even released yet | 22:54 |
| EmilienM | bauzas: we're gating it in tripleo & puppet cis | 22:54 |
| bauzas | s/API endpoint/API versioning | 22:54 |
| SamYaple | dansmith: in Kollas case we implemented Liberty as our 1.0.0 and no install guides say to setup nova_api (including the ones on docs.opentack.org) | 22:54 |
| SamYaple | so we just straight up missed it | 22:54 |
| EmilienM | dansmith: fair enough, you did an awesome job in the doc, I'm sure. So how do you explain it broke things anyway? | 22:54 |
| dansmith | SamYaple: well, that's unfortunate, but probably understandable | 22:55 |
| SamYaple | understandable yes. i think ive been very understanding here :) | 22:55 |
| SamYaple | nova did no wrong in my opinion | 22:55 |
| EmilienM | I really don't mind having Puppet (or whatever automation tool) CI broken | 22:55 |
| EmilienM | we can fix it the same day | 22:55 |
| EmilienM | my point is more "why nobody knew about it?" | 22:55 |
| bauzas | clearly it's a communication issue, I agree | 22:56 |
| dansmith | communication that people should read the release notes? then sure.. :) | 22:56 |
| bauzas | heh | 22:56 |
| EmilienM | anyway | 22:56 |
| EmilienM | feedback is free, take it :-) | 22:57 |
| EmilienM | /me going to bed too - see you folks | 22:57 |
| bauzas | not sure what we could really do on the nova side :/ | 22:57 |
| SamYaple | a warning message would have been nice | 22:58 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: email it, tweet it, instagram a picture of the release notes page, post it on facebook, send physical mail to all openstack operators, apparently :) | 22:58 |
| SamYaple | "hey you dont have a nova_api db, you will need that in L" | 22:58 |
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| melwitt | has it been a coincidence that upgrade impacts didn't break anything for people doing CD until now? | 22:58 |
| dansmith | SamYaple: we get backlash for too many warnings too, you know :) | 22:58 |
| bauzas | we even greatly improved our communication by having notes being provided in the same patch as the real change, and not updated by the end of the releasez | 22:58 |
| dansmith | SamYaple: people say "those don't work, they're not even worth the noise" | 22:58 |
| SamYaple | lol no winning dansmith i get it | 22:58 |
| SamYaple | for the record, they absolutely work for me, i read them all | 22:59 |
| SamYaple | its how i find out about most deprecations too | 22:59 |
| bauzas | melwitt: it's because nothing was using the API DB yet | 22:59 |
| dansmith | SamYaple: that's useful feedback | 22:59 |
| bauzas | melwitt: but we merged the persist-reqspec stuff, so booting an instance will fail if you don't read the notes :) | 22:59 |
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| melwitt | bauzas: I mean not this particular thing but past upgrade impacts like flavor migration etc. everything must have just worked without manual intervention | 23:00 |
| dansmith | melwitt: I assume you're laying some sarcasm on there :P | 23:00 |
| bauzas | ah-ha | 23:00 |
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| SamYaple | dansmith: if you find that useful feedback, ill let you know thats what i have been doing for kolla too, getting rid of all warnings before release in all projects. esspecially if its a config option | 23:01 |
| dansmith | SamYaple: well, this would be something you can't get rid of, until you get to the release where we actually do the thing, | 23:02 |
| dansmith | which can sometimes be many cycles | 23:02 |
| melwitt | dansmith: heh, no. I'm a little confused. I thought we've already had a number of upgrade impacts that required that people have read the notes in the past and am trying to figure how this one wasn't known about but the others were | 23:02 |
| dansmith | this was a pretty long-term play, so I can see people not wanting a warning they can't resolve | 23:02 |
| dansmith | melwitt: we have, and I'm sure people are resolving them by reading the notes | 23:02 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: I don't know why this one was so big and so ignored, because smaller things have gone by without being ignored | 23:03 |
| melwitt | dansmith: got it | 23:03 |
| SamYaple | dansmith: if could have been caught by an oslo message when it parsed the config and didnt find [api_database]/connection set | 23:03 |
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| dansmith | SamYaple: but not if someone just set it to a nonexistent database or the same database | 23:04 |
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| dansmith | SamYaple: so yeah, we could have, but... | 23:05 |
| SamYaple | sure but did anyone do that? ive looked through the major deploy tools and no one has api_database section at all | 23:05 |
| SamYaple | but thats in the past. all the info is out now | 23:05 |
| bauzas | that sounds an oslo.config thing being the contrary to the deprecated flag ? | 23:05 |
| bauzas | like a 'checkthenotes' flag | 23:05 |
| SamYaple | lol | 23:06 |
| dansmith | hey I have an idea | 23:06 |
| dansmith | how about people just read the notes? :) | 23:06 |
| * SamYaple rings the new feature bell | 23:06 | |
| bauzas | anyway, it's past-midnight, waving | 23:06 |
| bauzas | \o | 23:06 |
| SamYaple | oh go go, thanks bauzas | 23:06 |
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| * melwitt imagines a hook in the code that emits all the upgrade release notes as warnings to the log | 23:08 | |
| dansmith | melwitt: or | 23:09 |
| melwitt | wait for it | 23:09 |
| dansmith | melwitt: people read the carefully maintained notes :) | 23:09 |
| dansmith | you know | 23:09 |
| dansmith | either way :) | 23:09 |
| melwitt | ah I knew it! | 23:09 |
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| dmsimard | melwitt: I'm actually (seriously) considering building a web app to aggregate all the notes from every project down to a consumable feed | 23:10 |
| bauzas | melwitt: I would propose a change to cmd/all.py | 23:10 |
| bauzas | melwitt: something like input("have you read the notes?") | 23:10 |
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| melwitt | bauzas: haha :P | 23:11 |
| dansmith | bauzas: +1 | 23:11 |
| dmsimard | There's no need for sarcasm here, there are more than a hundred commits every day across the hundreds of packages RDO builds every day | 23:11 |
| dansmith | bauzas: or just: raise Exception('Remove me once you've read the notes') | 23:11 |
| dmsimard | There is an opportunity for improving | 23:12 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: right, that's why we write notes when there is something you need to know :) | 23:12 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: part of what you propose is that specs are RSS-feedbable | 23:12 |
| dmsimard | dansmith: I don't personally read each and every of those hundreds of commits | 23:12 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: like some operators are reading our proposed features | 23:12 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: right, that's why we write the notes | 23:13 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: and I know we have generated relnotes | 23:13 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: only when there's something to note | 23:13 |
| dansmith | dmsimard: which is not very often | 23:13 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/liberty.html | 23:13 |
| melwitt | dmsimard: the notes are written by hand to call out things an operator needs to be mindful of, there's an "upgrades" section which should include all the potential breaking things | 23:13 |
| bauzas | unfortunately, -infra still points http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/unreleased.html to the latest release (ie. liberty) | 23:14 |
| bauzas | but that would be possible to build that page with the latest git commits on the fly | 23:14 |
| dmsimard | bauzas: is there a version for mitaka or do we need to follow from the git repo ? | 23:14 |
| bauzas | dmsimard: unreleased is the master branch | 23:14 |
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| bauzas | dmsimard: once mitaka will be released, we'll have a mitaka.html file | 23:15 |
| bauzas | but not now | 23:15 |
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| bauzas | dmsimard: so asking -infra to build unreleased periodically seems acceptable | 23:15 |
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| dansmith | they' | 23:17 |
| dansmith | they are pretty easy to read right out of the git repo | 23:17 |
| bauzas | yup | 23:17 |
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| bauzas | dmsimard: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html#managing-release-notes | 23:18 |
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| bauzas | so I feel it's acceptable to add a RSS feed to our sphinx conf like we do for specs https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/commit/8c0a70ec54c3e4c764fdf34cd0db59fa9c6cd095 | 23:21 |
| bauzas | dhellmann: around ? | 23:21 |
| bauzas | dhellmann: was thinking of some improvements for the frontend-site of the relnotes | 23:22 |
| bauzas | side* | 23:22 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I've been meaning to ask you about this patch I had to make a field non-nullable to match the schema https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271105 | 23:36 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I was wondering about compat. we have compat for a newer node sending to an older one, but what about the other way around? making the field non-nullable would break an old node trying to send null to a new one when the new one tries to deserialize it | 23:37 |
| dansmith | melwitt: yeah, that's a problem | 23:38 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: the "upgrade method" is "semver" :) | 23:38 |
| dansmith | meaning, every change needs to be compatible | 23:38 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: so for that one, we probably just need to make sure we never write null to the db model, right? | 23:39 |
| dansmith | I'm not sure under what circumstances that would happen, but... | 23:39 |
| dansmith | when we make computenode 2.0 we can make a note to have it not be nullable in there | 23:39 |
| melwitt | dansmith: yeah, I came across this when I wrote a test for my nova-manage utility for creating cell mappings. I created some fake ComputeNode to save in the db and didn't specific cpu_info, then it blew up on the create() | 23:40 |
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