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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/236944 | 00:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pawel Koniszewski proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Rollback on dest host after deleting vm during live migration https://review.openstack.org/185958 | 07:29 |
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| dguitarbite | hello, I need some help understand how/where exactly libvirt XML files are generated in nova and how is the hypervisor specific content taken care of in there\ | 07:55 |
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| markus_z | dguitarbite: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L4306 | 07:57 |
| markus_z | dguitarbite: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L4109 | 07:57 |
| dguitarbite | markus_z: I am trying to exit some XML flags used for creating XEN VM's. I skimmed through driver.py. Let me take another look. THanks! | 07:58 |
| markus_z | dguitarbite: The variable "virt_type" can be checked for "xen". | 07:59 |
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| dguitarbite | markus_z: can I set some XML flags directly from there? | 08:02 |
| dguitarbite | markus_z: meaning adding it to the (dict) var. guest? | 08:03 |
| markus_z | dguitarbite: Should the flags be in the domain XML? | 08:04 |
| dguitarbite | If I understand domain XML correctly then yes. I need to add a <os> <kernel> xxx </kernel> </os> to the domain XML file. | 08:04 |
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| dguitarbite | This will allow booting brtfs based images in XEN | 08:05 |
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| dguitarbite | just the kernel flags rest are created by nova | 08:05 |
| dguitarbite | I think the var is os_kernel | 08:06 |
| dguitarbite | sorry, guest.os_kernel | 08:06 |
| markus_z | dguitarbite: jepp, I think so too | 08:07 |
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| dguitarbite | but the other part where I am confused is with the kernel path: /usr/lib/grub2/x86_64-xen/grub.xen | 08:07 |
| dguitarbite | I am not sure if this is standard default (I dont like to hardcode this!) | 08:08 |
| markus_z | dguitarbite: I have no idea, sorry | 08:08 |
| dguitarbite | markus_z: thanks for the info! It was really helpful. I will take a look and send a patch soon :) | 08:08 |
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| markus_z | dguitarbite: Sure, you're welcome. Don't forget to add a test to the patch. Here are examples: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/unit/virt/libvirt/test_driver.py#L1128 | 08:09 |
| dguitarbite | markus_z: yes! for sure | 08:09 |
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| lyanchih | Hi, is nova had implement function which can detect os? Or I can only using ‘uname -a’ to parse string? | 08:13 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: I'm not aware of such a function. The "arch.py" is the only thing I know which goes slightly to that direction: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/arch.py | 08:22 |
| markus_z | lyanchih: With "slightly" I mean that it uses "uname". | 08:22 |
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| BobBall | dguitarbite: I suggest you add anthony perard to the review when you submit it | 08:23 |
| dguitarbite | BobBall: ok, noted | 08:24 |
| BobBall | He'll be able to answer any Xen questions you have :) | 08:24 |
| BobBall | like where grub.xen is | 08:24 |
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| lyanchih | markus_z: Thank you. os.uname can offer information what I need. | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | yapeng Yang proposed openstack/nova: Change 'ec2-api' stackforge url to openstack url https://review.openstack.org/237394 | 08:36 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: danpb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235303/ has the VMware CI vote. Can you please look | 08:38 |
| tangchen | Hi, I have a little question here. There is a command named "openstack". Is is going to be the new client in the future, and other clients like nova-client will be discarded ? | 08:40 |
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| rdopiera | tangchen: I don't think they will be discarded | 09:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | g | 09:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: ah, cool, appreciate the ping, +W | 09:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | tangchen: I think thats the openstack CLI you are talking about | 09:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tangchen: if yes, the current plan is to make that the default CLI, and eventually deprecate python-novaclient (and the others) | 09:05 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: nice to see some european locations suggested for the mid-cycle for a change | 09:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, PaulMurray has been pushing on this, lets see what support we can get :) | 09:06 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: tx | 09:08 |
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| lyanchih | @markus_z Hi, may I ask you about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1413142 | 09:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1413142 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "bad configuration for libguestfs" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:33 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: Sure | 09:34 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: Which question do you have in mind? | 09:36 |
| lyanchih | markus_z: I’m try to commit a patch which only warning users to change kernel’s permission. | 09:37 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: That would the users give at least a hint what's going wrong, yes. | 09:38 |
| lyanchih | markus_z: I had two question. Is these acceptable way and is there other person had in progress about this bug. | 09:38 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: I would say this is a valid first approach. I've read something about a fallback solution which consists of using NBD(?). | 09:40 |
| markus_z | lyanchih: Maybe sahid could point you to a direction? | 09:40 |
| markus_z | lyanchih: He reported that bug in August. | 09:41 |
| markus_z | oh, January even... | 09:41 |
| lyanchih | markus_z: Yes, he is reported that so early | 09:41 |
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| lyanchih | markus_z: But you had said one solution is using NBD. If I don’t remeber wrong. Nova will first try to using guestfs and then try nbd | 09:43 |
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| markus_z | lyanchih: I', not really sure about this, this was just a wild guess, don't depend on that statement. | 09:44 |
| markus_z | *I'm | 09:44 |
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| lyanchih | markus_z: Ok, thx. I will also ask sahid may I help to this bug. | 09:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova-specs: spec document for sriov-physical-function-passthrough blueprint https://review.openstack.org/212472 | 09:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova-specs: tests: Allow for code block lines to be longer https://review.openstack.org/237494 | 09:51 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, ^ can you look at the spec test fix there | 09:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: use oslo.db[fixtures] instead of testresources https://review.openstack.org/237359 | 09:56 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Add tempest-dsvm-lxc-rc https://review.openstack.org/235851 | 09:57 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Add tempest-dsvm-lxc-rc https://review.openstack.org/235851 | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Hua proposed openstack/nova: [Xen] Correct hypervisor type in Horizon's admin view https://review.openstack.org/237374 | 10:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs: Versioned notification API https://review.openstack.org/224755 | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: Split different live-migration types in nova https://review.openstack.org/225910 | 10:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shunya Kitada proposed openstack/nova: Add "vnc" option group for sample nova.conf file https://review.openstack.org/235396 | 10:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maxim Nestratov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: fix disk size calculation for VZ container instances https://review.openstack.org/222567 | 10:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds os-win dependency spec https://review.openstack.org/227827 | 10:57 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: hi. can you please review the os-win spec ^ ? It will soon be 1 month since the spec was uploaded.. :( | 10:58 |
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| pkholkin | ccarmack: ok, thank you! | 11:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yeah, I have been meaning to vote on that for a month :( | 11:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: hardware: stop using instance cell topology in CPU pinning logic https://review.openstack.org/229574 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: Fix CPU pinning for odd number of CPUs w hyperthreading https://review.openstack.org/229575 | 11:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikola Dipanov proposed openstack/nova: Revert "Store correct VirtCPUTopology" https://review.openstack.org/229573 | 11:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: so I don't think depends-on will work with the library, you will have to release a new version, get that into global-requirements / gate pins, then we can merge the nova patch | 11:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: its a bit of a worry if lots of bug fixes have to go around that loop, I am wondering if the cut should be a bit lower down in the hyper-v code | 11:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: but thats probably just not practical I guess | 11:14 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, any chance you can +2 this one - it's silly that it's a spec at all https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235169/1 | 11:15 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: what do you mean by "the cut should be a bit lower down in the hyper-v code"? | 11:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: so I am re-reading some of the utils, I was wonder if the cut is too "high level" in the general sense, looking again, it actually seems like a good spot to make the cut | 11:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: why did we say it needed a spec? do you remember? | 11:18 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, I said it doesn't on the ML but people just love writing them I guess at this point | 11:19 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: ah, I see what you mean now. | 11:19 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, also possibly due to the dependency | 11:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: it doesn't need a spec, seems simple enough | 11:21 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, agreed | 11:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: just thinking how we make sure there are minimal changes | 11:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: approve the BP, added it to the list for folks to comment on | 11:26 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, the list? | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Refactor parsing metadata to a common function https://review.openstack.org/232301 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: Use legacy engineFacade from oslo_db.enginefacade https://review.openstack.org/221310 | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: the list of spec-less blueprints that are requested, and categorised specs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 11:27 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: well, you can actually look at the changes necessary: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212102/ | 11:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yeah, thats the one I looked through and got worried about | 11:28 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: a lot of the changes are about replacing vmutils.HyperVException with os_win.exceptions.HyperVException or other stuff like this. | 11:29 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: the exception is pathutils, since it includes nova specific code | 11:29 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: and it was best to leave it in nova. | 11:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yeah, I am fine with the exception changes, etc | 11:30 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, yeah thought that was it :) | 11:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: cool | 11:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I think its these ones that are scaring me: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/hyperv/livemigrationutils.py#L221 | 11:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: but in terms of the library, to keep a stable interface, maybe thats the best interface, just not sure long term | 11:33 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: that utils hasn't really changed since last year anyways.. | 11:33 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: hi, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235092/ again when you are available ? (you seems always busy) | 11:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: yeah, maybe that helps prove its a good split | 11:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'instance_info' and 'instance_extra' https://review.openstack.org/225065 | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: probably the key part here, is the library code is not that different to what we have in nova today, so if we decide to bring all the code back into Nova in 12 months time, it would actually be fairly easy to do | 11:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'cell_mapping' https://review.openstack.org/226788 | 11:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: not sure I understand your comment in there, why can't the other project follow Nova's model? | 11:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: not saying they should, just wondering why they can't/shouldn't | 11:37 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: well, in 12 months the code will change, especially if we add new parts needed for the new blueprints | 11:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: sure, but its the same split, so its just a cut and paste of the updated code | 11:37 |
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| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, "not saying they should" is a reason for that | 11:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'instance_info' and 'instance_extra' https://review.openstack.org/225065 | 11:39 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: it is difficult to say "all project should follow nova model" | 11:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Nikitin proposed openstack/nova: enginefacade: 'cell_mapping' https://review.openstack.org/226788 | 11:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: so my question is really why can't they, does no one else do API samples in the same way, or something like that? | 11:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: I am wondering what we do thats so different to what the other projects are doing | 11:40 |
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| pkholkin | sdague, dansmith, mikal: Good day guys! Could you please look at our oslo.cache patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203049/36, thanks in advance! | 11:43 |
| dims_ | pkholkin: has my +1 :) | 11:43 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: a reference is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072743.html | 11:43 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: keystone and sahara at least don't follow the nova sample test way | 11:44 |
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| sdague | pkholkin: ok, I'm still a little concerned on the warning | 11:45 |
| kashyap | danpb: When you have time, the change from proposal-bot was up, had Workflow+1, but it got rebased, so it needs the ACKs again -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236944/ | 11:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: OK, gotcha | 11:45 |
| sdague | we really need to say exactly what the new config entry will look like | 11:46 |
| sdague | so people can set it now and get rid of the warning | 11:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: I just don't like the idea of generating docs from tests I guess, just seems odd, although I do like the idea of testing using generated docs, or some kind of cross referencing | 11:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: I can't put me finger on why it feels wrong, maybe its just that we discovered tempest was sending technical invalid requests | 11:47 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: hey, current nova's sample test also is generating sample files ;) | 11:48 |
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| pkholkin | sdague: we can say that we will use the same option from oslo.cache | 11:49 |
| pkholkin | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.cache/blob/master/oslo_cache/_opts.py#L65-L68 | 11:49 |
| pkholkin | we can improve our warning message | 11:49 |
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| sdague | pkholkin: what exactly would a config file before and after look like | 11:50 |
| sdague | that's what we want | 11:50 |
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| sdague | because I don't know what that is from that message | 11:51 |
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| sdague | and if an ops person has to read oslo_cache code to figure it out, that's a failure | 11:51 |
| pkholkin | sdague: now it will as it is, then we will have 'cache' section | 11:51 |
| sdague | pkholkin: ok, so explain that | 11:51 |
| pkholkin | sdague: ok, will do right now! | 11:52 |
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| tobasco | is it by design that nova get's stucking in deleting state when deleting a instance that has cinder volymes attached? | 11:53 |
| tobasco | should nova instead warn and don't delete an instance with active cinder attachments | 11:53 |
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| tobasco | because now we need to nova reset-state on the vm, delete attachments and then delete it | 11:54 |
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| tobasco | i think nova should issue a delete unless all the volumes has a delete_on_termination as true | 11:55 |
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| alex_xu | nova api meeting in 4 mins | 11:56 |
| dims_ | pkholkin: ping me back too for review :) happy to do that | 11:57 |
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| pkholkin | dims_: yes of course dims! thank you | 11:57 |
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| alex_xu | nova api meeting is running | 12:00 |
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| tdurakov | hi folks | 12:03 |
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| tdurakov | markus_z, are you around? | 12:06 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: sure, what's up? | 12:06 |
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| tdurakov | markus_z, updated spec for live-migration, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ do you have some time to review it? | 12:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Switch to oslo.cache lib https://review.openstack.org/203049 | 12:09 |
| pkholkin | sdague, dims_: guys, please look at the updated warning and commit message | 12:09 |
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| markus_z | tdurakov: I have seen the update, I will review it tomorrow, okay? | 12:09 |
| tdurakov | markus_z, sure, will be waiting for feedback:) | 12:10 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: cool cool | 12:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Handle 404 responses from neutron when polling for floating IPs https://review.openstack.org/216746 | 12:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Make the create_instance call accept security group ids as well as names https://review.openstack.org/217292 | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds os-win dependency spec https://review.openstack.org/227827 | 12:21 |
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| dims_ | pkholkin: one more rev please | 12:26 |
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| pkholkin | dims_: ok, sounds better with new group, fixing | 12:27 |
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| dims_ | pkholkin: i am assuming the information is correct :) groupname and option name | 12:27 |
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| pkholkin | dims_: yes they are) | 12:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kholkin proposed openstack/nova: Switch to oslo.cache lib https://review.openstack.org/203049 | 12:30 |
| pkholkin | sdague, dims_: updated a little bit again) | 12:30 |
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| pkholkin | take a look please | 12:30 |
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| pkholkin | dims_: thanks! | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds os-win dependency spec https://review.openstack.org/227827 | 12:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/nova-specs: No more soft delete https://review.openstack.org/184645 | 12:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Rely on devstack for clouds.yaml https://review.openstack.org/236720 | 12:59 |
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| mordred | melwitt: ^^ I updated the commit message - we fixed it in devstack rather than devstack-gate and that change landed | 13:00 |
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| * annegentle waves | 13:00 | |
| * sdague waves back | 13:00 | |
| * johnthetubaguy nods head | 13:01 | |
| alex_xu | annegentle: hi, let's talk at here | 13:01 |
| oomichi | how to write green string on irc? | 13:01 |
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| oomichi | like the above "nods head" | 13:01 |
| sdague | oomichi: /me | 13:01 |
| * oomichi test | 13:02 | |
| * mordred hands annegentle sdague and johnthetubaguy a welcome gift | 13:02 | |
| oomichi | sdague: thanks :) | 13:02 |
| annegentle | ha mordred gee thanks | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: what is 'verbage' means? | 13:02 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: I lost the review patch now, but basically we already have wording for descriptions of params and the like | 13:02 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: such as project, user, and so on. we have verbage (wording) already | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: ah, right, I guess its in the WADL right now? | 13:03 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: right, and it is very consistent and well-written | 13:03 |
| annegentle | where's the patch set? In the nova tree? | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: +1 to re-using that where we can | 13:03 |
| ccarmack | alex_xu: anything I can help on for the api docs work? | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233446/6/nova/api/openstack/compute/keypairs.py,cm | 13:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ccarmack: we were talking about creating a big list of things for folks to chew on | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | ccarmack: we have a lot of docs like api concept doc and swagger generate | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ccarmack: we have some v2.1 current guide fixes, and API concept guide TODOs already I guess | 13:04 |
| annegentle | ccarmack: I think the bulk of the work will be annotations like that link above | 13:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: lets get a single etherpad with this stuff to work on | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | ccarmack: for api concept, I think you can just free to take the todos in the doc, and there is bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/complete-todo-in-api-concept-doc | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: is the other stuff done now, for the current v2.1 complete listing? | 13:05 |
| ccarmack | alex_xu: ok, I think I'll start with those todos | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you mean etherpad for api concept work? | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | ccarmack: thanks a lot | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 13:06 |
| pkholkin | sdague: Sean, please another try https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203049/38 | 13:06 |
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| ccarmack | alex_xu: np, looking forward to helping | 13:07 |
| sdague | pkholkin: ok, I need to get breakfast, will look back shortly | 13:07 |
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| pkholkin | sdague: yes of course! Bon Appetit) | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I remember we said just link the concept doc patch to the bp is enough | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I was really thinking about the api-reference page for v2.1 | 13:07 |
| pkholkin | dims_: could you please also look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221310/21, it is switching to oslo_db enginefacade | 13:08 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: johnthetubaguy: I wondered if you were open to having fairy-slipper do the first-pass swagger, then using those strings for the annotations? Could be a good way to get the docstrings that are already reviewed. | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: did we get that completed, the missing urls and such? | 13:08 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: actually all of thing are done | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: sweet | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | oops, just some patch waiting for review | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | annegentle: can you help on review api doc patch, those are under section 'The wadl API ref bug' in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 13:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: looking at stuff like you can do lock as an admin now? http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#lockserver | 13:09 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: sure thing. | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: thanks a lot | 13:10 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, alex_xu, hi, could you review spec for live-migration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225910/ | 13:10 |
| pkholkin | Does somebody know when alaski will be available? I want him to look at our patch with enginefacade, because he gave some advices before | 13:10 |
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| tdurakov | pkholkin, +1 for question:) | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: emmm....which one looks like wrong | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I just too a look at lock | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | took | 13:11 |
| markus_z | pkholkin: I think he is ~ UTC-7 | 13:11 |
| tdurakov | markus_z, i thought he is on some vacation? | 13:12 |
| markus_z | tdurakov: Hm, that's possible too :) | 13:12 |
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| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: We've also got an Outreachy Intern, whose interested in Compute API doc. | 13:14 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: can we get enough reviews if she can help? | 13:14 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: decisions aren't final about Outreachy yet but it would be a good project if we can define it well. | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: so the docs are the main priority for the API, so I want folks to review these things | 13:15 |
| annegentle | hi Laucon__ | 13:15 |
| Laucon__ | Hey again. | 13:15 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: meet Laucon__ she's applying as an Outreachy intern. | 13:15 |
| Laucon__ | Hey John. | 13:15 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: johnthetubaguy is the nova Project Technical Lead (PTL), John Garbutt | 13:15 |
| annegentle | he's in the UK | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | help on API docs is awesome | 13:15 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: so the current state is, all the nova docs are in WADL in openstack/api-site. | 13:16 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: this etherpad is tracking all the work https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 13:16 |
| Laucon__ | I would love to work on that as my internship project. Just send me some info on how to do so and I'll get right on it. | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: its actually super hidden , I think the return value on the compute tells you who locked it: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2985 | 13:16 |
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| annegentle | Laucon__: the way forward is to generate Swagger by annotating the Python code, such as here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233446/6/nova/api/openstack/compute/keypairs.py,cm | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:16 |
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| annegentle | Laucon__: I will send you a lot of reading material in an email next | 13:16 |
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| Laucon__ | Fantastic. Thank you so much! | 13:17 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: Alex Settle is the mentor for docs this round. But I'm happy to help as well, of course. | 13:17 |
| Laucon__ | Great. She told me that I had to find a project on my own, but once I did, she'd be happy to help me figure out further details. | 13:17 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: this morning I'm reviewing patches, which would also help you get familiar. | 13:17 |
| Laucon__ | Perfect. | 13:17 |
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| Laucon__ | If you could send those patches in an email, that would be great, too. | 13:17 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: great, I'll send an email. thanks! | 13:18 |
| Laucon__ | Thank you so much! | 13:18 |
| annegentle | Laucon__: go to http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/dashboard_api-docs-impact.html and copy the long url under URL, that's the API docs review dashboard | 13:18 |
| Laucon__ | Great. | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: Laucon__: ccarmack: thanks for helping with all this, great to get this moving | 13:18 |
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| annegentle | thanks ccarmack for the patchsets so far also | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | yea, annegentle Laucon__ ccarmack thanks for helping | 13:18 |
| * annegentle gets back to reviewing | 13:18 | |
| * johnthetubaguy really has to go get food now | 13:19 | |
| ccarmack | johnthetubaguy, annegentle: I need a cool name like outreachy | 13:19 |
| annegentle | ccarmack: :) | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | annegentle: I think I can go through more detail of compute api-ref again, if found some bug, people can continue help on fix it. And as you said some of doc can be move to swagger doc. | 13:22 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: great. | 13:24 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I found it that when calling "nova evacuate" "on shared storage" is passed in as an input parameter, it is used in API to decide whether the password of the instance can be changed. And in compute manager it will compare to the actual on shared storage status to see whether the user inputed data is correct | 13:25 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | why don't we just load it from the driver? | 13:25 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | any comments? | 13:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Kevin_Zheng: I have a feeling thats half way through a change at the moment, but I don't remember the details now | 13:27 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy ok | 13:28 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy another question, do we have any comments on allowing user to detach root device? | 13:30 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy : another question, do we have any comments on allowing user to detach root device? | 13:30 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: do we like it or not? | 13:31 |
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| lxsli | think John is getting lunch | 13:31 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Ok then | 13:32 |
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| * alex_xu think his english reading ability is down in the evening | 13:33 | |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: I found the sepc about onSharedStorage, Thanks | 13:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marian Horban proposed openstack/nova-specs: Move WSGI functionality from nova into oslo.services https://review.openstack.org/237588 | 13:47 |
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| diana_clarke | What's needed to get a "workflow" checkmark on a review? Is there a checklist somewhere (passing CI, +2 code review, etc)? | 13:48 |
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| kashyap | diana_clarke: A core would ideally process reviews that need A+ | 13:51 |
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| kashyap | Or you could just post a review here, and cores who happen to be paying attention to IRC might notice & review it. | 13:52 |
| diana_clarke | kashyap: I guess what I'm asking is: What's the difference between just a +2, and a +2 plus workflow? | 13:52 |
| kashyap | A workflow means a signal to Gerrit to merge the patch | 13:53 |
| dansmith | diana_clarke: it takes two cores to merge.. one does a +2 and the second does a +2+W | 13:53 |
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| kashyap | dansmith: Thanks for the more precise definition | 13:54 |
| dansmith | claudiub: around? | 13:54 |
| diana_clarke | dansmith: Ah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks! I figured there was probably some kind of "rule" I didn't know about. | 13:54 |
| kashyap | diana_clarke: See the "Project Gating" section here - http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 13:55 |
| danpb | also note when you rebase patches, you loose +W, but if gerrit detects no code changes, it'll re-add the +2's and +1's automatically | 13:55 |
| danpb | so that it can then be trivially +W approved for merge by a core | 13:55 |
| alex_xu | sdague: hi, have you notice we have some routes for api like '/servers/new.{format}', '"/servers/{id}/edit" which created by map.resources | 13:55 |
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| alex_xu | those are based on atom publish protocol, I'm thinking those aren't something we want | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | sdague: there is the python routes doc https://routes.readthedocs.org/en/latest/restful.html#resource-options | 13:56 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, I did notice then when I was dumping the routes | 13:56 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: I just hard-code skip them in swagger generate currently | 13:57 |
| diana_clarke | thanks folks, the additional context and link helped | 13:57 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: think of whether we should remove them | 13:57 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: yeh... | 14:00 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: were you able to directly print the mapper? Routes exploded for me when I tried that | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: no, I can't also, but I exactly remember I can print the mapper direclty before | 14:01 |
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| claudiub | dansmith: yep | 14:01 |
| sdague | alex_xu: it would be good if we could figure out why we can't print the mapper, and build our own utility function for dumping it if we need to | 14:02 |
| sdague | otherwise it takes a bunch of effort to introspect it | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea, agree, let me put that in my todo list | 14:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: objects: added 'os_secure_boot' property to ImageMetaProps object https://review.openstack.org/237593 | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | claudiub: hey, can you look at a spec? | 14:07 |
| claudiub | dansmith: sure. link it. :) | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | claudiub: I want to make sure that this would work for you, and hopefully see you commit to implementing whatever is needed for hyper-v: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195662/ | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | claudiub: I think it's pretty important as it's a common complaint among users, but I want to make sure we get it done right and in a way that will work for all the drivers | 14:08 |
| dansmith | claudiub: I figure if it works for hyper-v, kvm, and vmware that's a good sign | 14:08 |
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| claudiub | dansmith: looks like a long read. I will read it and reply accordingly. | 14:09 |
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| dansmith | claudiub: it's not too bad, but yeah, I'd really appreciate it.. thanks! | 14:09 |
| claudiub | dansmith: anyways, thanks for letting me know! | 14:09 |
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| dansmith | :) | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: have you seen this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195662/8/specs/mitaka/approved/virt-device-role-tagging.rst,cm | 14:15 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: ah, yeah, thanks, I should have poked him too :) | 14:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: objects: added 'os_secure_boot' property to ImageMetaProps object https://review.openstack.org/237593 | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: no worries, just not sure how you get hold of the address and things via xenapi, I think its obscured, although might be implied, but BobBall should know more | 14:21 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, well, that's good to know, because as we've identified, not having something like pci address makes it really hard to disambiguate things like two vifs with the same mac | 14:22 |
| BobBall | Two vifs with the same MAC? That sounds scary... | 14:22 |
| danpb | presumably any serious xen deployment is going to use paravirt devices | 14:23 |
| danpb | so PCI is not relevant for those | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: wondering if "userdevice" gives enough info? | 14:23 |
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| danpb | you could hve a xenbus address, which is basically just the name of the device entry in xenbus | 14:23 |
| dansmith | danpb: well, then we need an index or something I would think | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is the disk abstraction XenAPI gives us: http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.5.0/1.0/en_gb/api/?c=VBD | 14:24 |
| BobBall | Indeed I would hope most people will be using PV drivers; if you're not then it's just using the emulated devices | 14:24 |
| dansmith | see, this is my concern because I think it's undesirable for the guest to have to parse the data based on "is this xen or is this kvm or is this vmware" | 14:24 |
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| danpb | dansmith: well it wouldn't be is xen or is kvm or is vmware. it would be based on bus type, eg is pci or is scsi or is usb or is xenbus | 14:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Simona Iuliana Toader proposed openstack/nova: objects: added 'os_secure_boot' property to ImageMetaProps object https://review.openstack.org/237593 | 14:25 |
| dansmith | danpb: right, I know | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: danpb: I guess I am wondering what virtio looks like in this? is that just a bus type? | 14:25 |
| dansmith | pci like I think | 14:25 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: virtio is a protocol that runs over many buses, on x86 it runs over PCI | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 14:26 |
| danpb | so virtio devices would get a PCI address | 14:26 |
| danpb | xenbus is the bus type in xen pv world | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I suppose... | 14:26 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: eg http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/misc/xenstore-paths.html | 14:28 |
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| danpb | "Frontend device paths" | 14:28 |
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| danpb | ~/device/{vif|vbd|vkbd....}/$DEVID/* | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, I see it more as a xenfs mount, but thats splitting hairs really | 14:29 |
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| danpb | so you could say the xenbus address is vif:DEVID eg vif:3 for the 4th nic or vbd:1 for the second disk | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a shame its hypervisor specific, but the guest ABI is hypervisor specifci | 14:30 |
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| danpb | yeah i don't view it as hypervisor specific, but rather as hardware specific | 14:30 |
| dansmith | I'm just thinking about trying to parse this quickly in bash scripts with jq | 14:30 |
| dansmith | and having to test a bunch of scenarios pretty much sucks | 14:30 |
| danpb | i don't see any way around that given the problem space | 14:30 |
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| danpb | but we could mitigate it, by providing a standard set of tools for the guest to use | 14:31 |
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| danpb | eg we could provide a standard tool for linux that parses the data and tells you the sysfs path, or device node | 14:31 |
| BobBall | One issue I have is that when using Xen you don't know the bus in advance; if the PV drivers are installed in-guest then it'll be using xenbus but if there are no PV drivers then it's just the PCI/SCSI bus | 14:31 |
| danpb | so people don't have to re-invent the logic themselves | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | could we have a transport agnostic index or something? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: true, you would technically need to list both | 14:32 |
| dansmith | BobBall: that's good feedback | 14:32 |
| dansmith | BobBall: if something kinda exists on two busses, that's something we'd want to include I'd think | 14:32 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: if there was any way to associate metadata with hardware devices we could, but in general that's not possible | 14:32 |
| BobBall | Well - it exists in an emulated state until the PV drivers are loaded. If they are never loaded, it'll stick with the emulated device. | 14:32 |
| danpb | eg, there's no way to label a pci device with any identifying tag - the address is the only thing we have to key off really | 14:33 |
| dansmith | BobBall: right, but you find the same device one way and then another way after things are loaded, right? | 14:33 |
| BobBall | Right | 14:33 |
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| BobBall | Well - how much should we care about identifying devices if you don't have PV drivers installed? Any serious user will have the drivers installed, and I don't see it as much of an issue to require that if they want this tagging to be able to identify devices then I don't see that as a big dela. | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Feoktistov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtuozzo instance rescue mode support https://review.openstack.org/217679 | 14:35 |
| dansmith | well, I was thinking installers | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: so what if we get cloud-init to create a link to the device, somehow, map it into the filesystem, and add that name into the description, so on windows its the drive label maybe? (clutching at straws) | 14:35 |
| BobBall | Most have PV drivers built in these days | 14:35 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I figure that will happen the minute we expose this, which is why I think we should make sure it's fully thought-out | 14:35 |
| BobBall | But it's a fair point... | 14:35 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: for linux, the obvious thing would be to have a scripts that parses the file and sets udev device attribute with the tag | 14:36 |
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| tobasco | i have removed all instances still the local_gb_used is wrong in the database so the _update_usage function reports wrong | 14:36 |
| danpb | that way an application can trivially just query udev matching on the tag to find the device they want | 14:36 |
| tobasco | how can i that | 14:36 |
| dansmith | danpb: how is udev going to get this info? | 14:37 |
| dansmith | danpb: it's going to run before we've found and mounted config drive right? | 14:37 |
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| dansmith | meaning, it's going to run when the scsi bus gets scanned in early boot | 14:38 |
| danpb | dansmith: udev itself wouldn't get it directly - something like cloud init would run a script which then sets udev properties | 14:38 |
| dansmith | danpb: oh I see, okay, I thought you mean instead of cloud-init | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my brain is screwed right now, its the tag you are actually adding them I am looking for here... ignore that nonsense question | 14:38 |
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| danpb | dansmith: i just added a note to line 331 to this effect | 14:42 |
| dansmith | danpb: so what about lxc or docker like things? no udev there I think | 14:42 |
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| dansmith | not that I want to let those kinds of drivers eff up this plan | 14:42 |
| dansmith | but cloud-init would probably need a fallback | 14:42 |
| danpb | for LXC, we have direct control over the /dev/XXX device names & the NIC names | 14:42 |
| BobBall | Should the device-role-tagging be aiming specifically at things that will be processable by udev? | 14:42 |
| danpb | so we can just explicitly provide those names in the metadata file instead of the bus address | 14:42 |
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| dansmith | danpb: yeah, okay | 14:42 |
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| danpb | BobBall: no, udev is just an example of how we might use it in a linux guest | 14:43 |
| dansmith | danpb: might want an example of what that looks like | 14:43 |
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| danpb | i guess it'd probably help if we expand the spec to explain how this works for the various hypervisors | 14:43 |
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| danpb | i can try and get some more details on potential udev integration too | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: did you talk about what happens if the user doesn't specify a tag? | 14:44 |
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| dansmith | mordred: have you looked at this guest device tagging spec? | 14:44 |
| dansmith | mordred: seems like you'd have some deeply-held beliefs | 14:44 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: if the user doesn't specify any tag, then we don't report anything to the guest - this is purely opt-in | 14:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Use TimeFixture from oslo_utils to override time in tests https://review.openstack.org/237616 | 14:44 |
| dansmith | mordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195662/8/specs/mitaka/approved/virt-device-role-tagging.rst,cm | 14:44 |
| BobBall | btw, was it intentional to give an example with two NICs with the same MAC? | 14:44 |
| danpb | dansmith: the udev integration is particularly appealing because it would avoid apps needing to know about different device buses/addresses used by each hypervisor | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: I was just wondering about defaulting to "vba" etc | 14:45 |
| dansmith | danpb: yeah, it's just not something we can ensure will happen everywhere | 14:45 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: hmm, i guess we could explore the idea of providing some standard tag names | 14:45 |
| dansmith | danpb: if it does, then yeah, life is good | 14:46 |
| danpb | dansmith: if we write the guest tool support in two parts - first a command that translates a tag name into a sysfs device path - that's usable in any linux | 14:46 |
| danpb | and the second command which sets the udev prop based on the sysfs path reported by the first tool | 14:47 |
| danpb | so apps can use udev if they want, or can avoid it and use the sysfs device path directly | 14:47 |
| artom | danpb, standard tag names? So, if the user doesn't specify anything, provide something by default? | 14:47 |
| danpb | artom: yes, that's what johnthetubaguy is suggesting | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Feoktistov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: virtuozzo instance resize support https://review.openstack.org/182257 | 14:48 |
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| dansmith | danpb: yeah, I know, but mordred will write his own tool just to spite you, so it can't be too obscure, but I think we're mostly showing that we're on the right track to do something fairly universal | 14:48 |
| danpb | BobBall: yes, that example was intentionale - part of the problem we're trying to solve here is to give users a way to uniquely identify devices even when traditional "unique" identifiers like MAC addr are not in fact unique :-) | 14:48 |
| dansmith | so that's cool, this discussion among driver owners is what I wanted to see | 14:49 |
| BobBall | But is it really a use case that we expect people to have with two NICs on one VM with the same MAC? | 14:49 |
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| lxsli | snikitin: hiya, about 235801 | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:50 |
| danpb | BobBall: yeah, some NFV folks explicitly told me this was a scenario that need consijdered :-( | 14:50 |
| lxsli | snikitin: my understanding is that a user can download and deploy any commit | 14:50 |
| artom | dansmith, johnthetubaguy, seems it's unnecessary, no? | 14:50 |
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| BobBall | I'm quite happy to believe I don't know enough about networking... but that thought scares me | 14:50 |
| artom | How would we even decide what a sane default is? | 14:50 |
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| artom | For every single possible device... | 14:50 |
| lxsli | snikitin: so if "tag" has ever been available, we must support it for a release | 14:50 |
| dansmith | BobBall: of course that should be supported :) | 14:51 |
| lxsli | snikitin: you can add "tags" as well and already mark "tag" as deprecated, but not remove "tag" just yet | 14:51 |
| danpb | BobBall: ignoring virt, from a physical hardware POV, it is reasonable to have 2 nics with the same MAC if they are plugged into separate subnets | 14:51 |
| ndipanov | danpb, dansmith mind taking a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237494/ it's a spec test fix | 14:51 |
| danpb | so i don't see why we should restrict that in virt world | 14:51 |
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| lxsli | snikitin: argh I just understood more of your message | 14:51 |
| lxsli | snikitin: ok that's fine! | 14:52 |
| BobBall | Still sounds like a world of pain. Just because you can do something, I wouldn't :D | 14:52 |
| danpb | ndipanov: done | 14:52 |
| BobBall | Might be worth pointing that out in the spec; that we explicitely cannot treat MACs as unique due to NFVness | 14:52 |
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| lxsli | snikitin: not sure that should have a bug attached since it's just dev work, but whatever | 14:53 |
| danpb | BobBall: i thought i already had mentioned that, but re-reading it, it seems i forgot | 14:53 |
| ndipanov | danpb, thanks! no W+? | 14:53 |
| danpb | ndipanov: hmm, i thought i did | 14:54 |
| BobBall | Well it is implied by the nfv tags... but the thought just hurts my head so much... | 14:54 |
| ndipanov | danpb, awesome thanks! | 14:54 |
| pkholkin | jaypipes: Hello Jay! Could you please take a look at updated oslo_cache https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203049/38 and oslo_db.enginefacade https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221310/22 patches | 14:54 |
| pkholkin | thanks! | 14:54 |
| pkholkin | dims_: added you to enginefacade as reviewer too | 14:56 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, around? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: yeah, just been reading through that spec | 15:17 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, thanks for review:) few comments: stop one compute calling to another compute - will this increase conductor workload? | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: yes, it probably will | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: well, actually, depending on how you do it, it could reduce the load, having said that | 15:20 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, while i like to idea of stopping compute-to-compute communication i got concern about conductor throughput. | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: if it reduces the compute load, I think thats a good trade off really | 15:21 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, if we OK with that, i'd rather to move all tasks and split(the whole idea of my spec to conductor) | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: yeah, thats my preference, unsure if everyone agrees, the slight pain is needing to do everything with cast and callbacks and not a call | 15:22 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, let me add this to spec | 15:22 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, so we could discuss it there:) | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: its worth adding some details about the upgrade, will need both old an new path in parallel for some time | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: honestly, the thing that blocks this work is the live-migrate CI, we really need that in place before we attempt this work | 15:24 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, another thing: there are patches in tempest that add several tests, and stability of multinode jobs. Also i'm working on CI stability. So I'd prefer you not to block spec in mitaka for that reasons:) what do you think? | 15:25 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, for spec - I'll add several points about tasks in conductor | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: its a risk thing, we really need to get some live-migrate coverage, and I have been close to deprecating live-migrate if we don't get that added soon | 15:30 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, current ci job is not covering all things(only block-migrate and volume-backed instances) and this is really poor coverage, shared storages like nfs and rbd should be added too. But I think we could make changes and working on ci in parallel, without merging l-m related until ci is ready, but approving spec for now eliminate blocker in approved bp during cycle. All I want for now is to finish both activities during mitaka, CI fir | 15:37 |
| tdurakov | st and refactoring second. | 15:37 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, how can we do it in correct way according to existing process? | 15:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: HyperV: Add SerialConsoleOps class https://review.openstack.org/184040 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: HyperV: Nova serial console access support https://review.openstack.org/145004 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: adds os-win library https://review.openstack.org/212102 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: HyperV: Add serial console handler class https://review.openstack.org/184039 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: HyperV: Add serial console proxy https://review.openstack.org/184038 | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Removes support for Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 https://review.openstack.org/237643 | 15:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Doffman proposed openstack/nova: Add a pluggable interface for scheduler reporting. https://review.openstack.org/237659 | 16:08 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, I'm looking at shelve - do you know much about it? | 16:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: so just doing block-migrate and volume-backed (and a mix of those) would be a big win, thats a good start (particularly as the code path is currently quite heavily shared) | 16:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: I bits about it, not sure it was ever "finished" | 16:09 |
| PaulMurray | Can't detach a disk when shelved - is that a deliberate choice ? | 16:10 |
| PaulMurray | (a cinder volume) | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/python-novaclient: make project_id optional in urls for version discovery https://review.openstack.org/234782 | 16:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: oh, good point... | 16:13 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, yep, it will be shift for quality of our patches but what about the spec? when spec freeze is scheduled? | 16:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: sounds like a bug | 16:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: 1st December is spec freeze, I think | 16:13 |
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| tdurakov | ok, will try to finish with live-migration ci until it come | 16:14 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, is there anything we can help you with? | 16:15 |
| PaulMurray | (we meaning something I can make someone else do :) | 16:15 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, I'll update ml thread for that with current stats of failng tests | 16:15 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, I wondered if an instance was supposed to be immutable when shelved | 16:16 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, ok | 16:16 |
| tdurakov | btw, logstash.opestack.org was updated | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I guess my point is more, I would rather like one reliable test of live-migrate, rather than none | 16:16 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, PaulMurray, ok, will update ml soon, need to go now | 16:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: so you can't snapshot it, that makes sense, but volume detach seems OK I think | 16:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: it might not actually exist on a server, which does complicate things a little | 16:18 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, yes, I don't know enough about the interaction with cinder - it is still attached, but clearly there should be no actual attachment if its offloaded | 16:19 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, I imagine if api tries to interact with cinder to detach it could get into sync problems | 16:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: so I think its logically attached to a server (i.e. VM), so that is independent of the physical connection to the host (see the live-migrate / migrate flow) | 16:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make snapshot use RBD snapshot/clone when available https://review.openstack.org/205282 | 16:27 |
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| PaulMurray | dansmith, the questions to johnthetubaguy above are really about detaching a boot volume | 16:30 |
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| PaulMurray | ndipanov, said he discussed it with you and you both thought it made more sense to do when shelved than any other time | 16:30 |
| PaulMurray | is that right? | 16:31 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: PaulMurray: We'd need extra work to allow the detach I think, because we need to persist that it's a BFV guest I think, but also to avoid letting it unshelve until it has a root volume again | 16:31 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: PaulMurray: I also think shelve is pretty buggy for most people, so I cringe at the idea of making them use shelve to do this detach thing, although logically it makes a lot of sense | 16:32 |
| dansmith | maybe that just means we end up fixing shelve, I dunno | 16:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Make instance snapshots to respect the force_raw_images setting https://review.openstack.org/226069 | 16:33 |
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| PaulMurray | dansmith, what kind of things are wrong with it ? | 16:34 |
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| dansmith | PaulMurray: with shelving? | 16:34 |
| PaulMurray | yes | 16:35 |
| dansmith | PaulMurray: we've just always had lots of bugs, both in the gate and in real customer situations | 16:35 |
| dansmith | PaulMurray: I think it's a lot of moving parts, so if anything fails along the way, it's easy to get wedged, | 16:36 |
| dansmith | and it involves instrumenting things like a snapshot, upload, removal of the instance from a host, etc | 16:36 |
| dansmith | lots of things to race | 16:36 |
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| PaulMurray | The spec I had for detach and attach boot volumes was proposed using a bdm that idicated there is no device, but a volume "should go here" | 16:38 |
| dansmith | seems reasonable | 16:38 |
| dansmith | that's what I meant by "recording something" | 16:38 |
| PaulMurray | And then using that as the basis for deciding if transitions can be done | 16:38 |
| mordred | dansmith: I had not seen that | 16:38 |
| mordred | dansmith: but it actually looks pretty good | 16:38 |
| dansmith | mordred: I was about to ask if it made you happy or sad | 16:38 |
| dansmith | mordred: cool, the discussion that followed seemed to indicate it was pretty close for most hypervisors | 16:39 |
| mordred | yah - main thing is that if I'm booting with something in mind, making sure I can get at that info sanely in-instance is great | 16:39 |
| PaulMurray | dansmith, it would be good if you could take a quick look at the spec and see what you think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221732/ | 16:39 |
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| mordred | dansmith: although you're right that I'm not going to use cloud-init to read it :) | 16:40 |
| dansmith | mordred: heh, yeah, I knew that much :) | 16:40 |
| mordred | but it turns out that config-drive is very readable - AND - this info is optional/additional anyway | 16:40 |
| mordred | so \o/ | 16:40 |
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| dansmith | well, I don't want it to be optional for the hypervisor drivers, | 16:41 |
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| mordred | nope | 16:41 |
| dansmith | but certainly optional whether you care or not | 16:41 |
| mordred | but I mean it's optional for the user to consume the data in guest | 16:41 |
| dansmith | as a user | 16:41 |
| mordred | yeah | 16:41 |
| dansmith | yeah | 16:41 |
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| mordred | also - these things should map pretty well to hardware world same as the 'put network info into metadata' did | 16:42 |
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| mordred | not via nova - but as a general spec that other things can follow | 16:42 |
| mordred | so that an image with a tool like cloud-init could get passed some metadata through a config-drive attachment and all works great | 16:42 |
| dansmith | yeah | 16:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, yeah, totally +1 about boot from volume root image points, I was thinking more generally | 17:26 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I left some comments on that spec, but in general I think we should do it one way or the other | 17:28 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: we have specifically had a need to do this and the hacks we've done to get around it (like ptm_away) have been unfun | 17:28 |
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| mordred | dansmith: I pointed the ironic crowd at that spec | 17:47 |
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| dansmith | mordred: oh great, now we'll just get all kinds of crazy in there | 17:48 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: how are you feeling about this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194453/9/specs/mitaka/approved/ironic-multiple-compute-hosts.rst,cm | 17:50 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I ask because I was thinking I might +2 it, but would like your ack for sure | 17:50 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: it's on my list of specs to re-review.. | 17:50 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: okay | 17:50 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: lemme do a re-review real quick-like. | 17:50 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: didn't mean to jump the queue | 17:50 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: queue-jumper! | 17:51 |
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| mordred | dansmith: :) | 17:52 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: it's awright. I still think you're cool. | 17:52 |
| mordred | dansmith: honestly, the crossover of using the network-info.json from bifrost solves a ton of problems for us in some weird baremetal deploys, so it's super cool to see more things like that | 17:53 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: phew | 17:53 |
| dansmith | mordred: you don't appreciate the challenge of guessing about your infra? | 17:53 |
| dansmith | sfinucan: oh good, you rebased your set on top of mine, but below the DNM canary, right? | 17:55 |
| mordred | dansmith: _I_ do | 17:55 |
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| mordred | dansmith: other people are not as fun as I am | 17:55 |
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| dansmith | mordred: ah, okay, that 'splains it then | 17:55 |
| sfinucan | dansmith: sure did | 17:55 |
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| dansmith | sfinucan: cool | 17:56 |
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| dansmith | a stack of patches here that largely just deletes code, and needs only a +W: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:danms+topic:bump-objects+status:open,n,z | 17:56 |
| dansmith | if any cores feel like padding their stats :) | 17:56 |
| dansmith | or crushing my hopes and dreams | 17:56 |
| dansmith | on a related note, I'm disappointed that laski and reed-a-man are not reviewing while on leave | 17:57 |
| dansmith | thought those dudes were hard core | 17:58 |
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| ccarmack | alex_xu: I'm looking at the API TODO https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/complete-todo-in-api-concept-doc, and its empty? | 19:14 |
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| sdague | ccarmack: yeh, look at the actual doc in tree | 19:15 |
| ccarmack | sdague: ok | 19:16 |
| sdague | ccarmack: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/81fbb34e2544b26ae72f7eee3841b4024d22896f/doc/source/v2/2.0_general_info.rst#L96 | 19:16 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy landed a patch which just put the TODO entries in the doc file itself | 19:16 |
| ccarmack | ok, I see it | 19:16 |
| sdague | as it seemed easier to track them by patching there | 19:16 |
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| sdague | mmmpork: one last thing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234782/8/novaclient/tests/unit/v2/fakes.py,cm | 19:17 |
| mmmpork | kk | 19:18 |
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| sdague | we need a $ at the end of that regex otherwise it will match /v2.1/{project_id}/servers | 19:18 |
| sdague | which shouldn't be a 404 | 19:18 |
| sdague | L86 | 19:18 |
| sdague | then I think it's good | 19:19 |
| sdague | and we should get melwitt to take a look as well | 19:19 |
| mmmpork | haha right | 19:19 |
| jroll | dansmith: you know you don't need approval from jaypipes to +2 a spec, right? perks of being core :) | 19:19 |
| dansmith | jroll: don't need, but do want :) | 19:19 |
| jroll | gotta keep that disagreement stat low I see | 19:20 |
| dansmith | jroll: also supports my constant need for validation | 19:20 |
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| jroll | heh | 19:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Doffman proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposal to create pluggable scheduler report API. https://review.openstack.org/237751 | 19:21 |
| mmmpork | sdague: running tests on the update just to double check and i'll push the change | 19:22 |
| mmmpork | thanks for catching that, jeez | 19:22 |
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| mmmpork | (jeez was directed at myself for missing that) | 19:22 |
| sdague | no worries | 19:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Augustina Ragwitz proposed openstack/python-novaclient: make project_id optional in urls for version discovery https://review.openstack.org/234782 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove and deprecate conductor provider_fw_rule_get_all() https://review.openstack.org/216241 | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove unused provider firewall rules functionality in nova https://review.openstack.org/184027 | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Hans Lindgren proposed openstack/nova: Remove provider_fw_rules tables and associated db api methods https://review.openstack.org/216242 | 19:25 |
| sfinucan | can I ask a question on deprecation policies in Nova? | 19:25 |
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| dansmith | sfinucan: don't ask to ask, just ask | 19:28 |
| sfinucan | OK - didn't want to interrupt your conversation | 19:29 |
| sfinucan | what can we do about this like this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/542552754d8da0a97cde32f07a777179c4be608f/nova/virt/configdrive.py#L47 | 19:30 |
| sfinucan | as it was deprecated in Liberty, is it safe to drop for Mikaka? | 19:30 |
| dansmith | sfinucan: well, not sure I'd say that it actually was deprecated | 19:30 |
| dansmith | it says "will be" but deprecating a value like that is tricky | 19:31 |
| dansmith | if it was in the release notes for liberty, then I'd say we can remove it in mitaka | 19:31 |
| sfinucan | dansmith: OK, I'll check the release note | 19:31 |
| dansmith | sfinucan: I don't see it in there, FWIW, but yeah look | 19:31 |
| dansmith | if not, then I would write a patch to say something like "DEPRECATED: the 'always' value will be removed after Mitaka" | 19:32 |
| dansmith | add a DocImpact, or UpgradeImpact tag in the commit message and then make sure it ends up in the mitaka release notes | 19:32 |
| dansmith | and probably since this is a value, | 19:32 |
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| dansmith | you should add a warnings.warn() call if 'always' is used so that it shows up in a log file somewhere | 19:33 |
| sfinucan | dansmith: Yeah, I don't see it either | 19:33 |
| sfinucan | however, there is a log there https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/542552754d8da0a97cde32f07a777179c4be608f/nova/virt/configdrive.py#L66 | 19:33 |
| dansmith | ah | 19:34 |
| dansmith | well, that's good | 19:34 |
| dansmith | you could make the case then I guess | 19:34 |
| sfinucan | hmmm | 19:34 |
| dansmith | propose removing it and see what people think | 19:34 |
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| dansmith | maybe call out all these details in the commit message to make sure people are aware of the somewhat non-committal warnings that were made :) | 19:34 |
| sfinucan | Heh wouldn't be a bad idea. Presume I should include docimpact tags etc.? | 19:35 |
| dansmith | UpgradeImpact at least I think, DocImpact if there is a doc somewhere that mentions that value and needs to be updated | 19:35 |
| sfinucan | OK - I'll try that | 19:36 |
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| sfinucan | should be good prework for reviving this patch also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92899/ | 19:37 |
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| doffm | bauzas: I tried to put together a spec to meet some parts of the scheduler evolution docs you put up recently. | 19:48 |
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| doffm | bauzas: If you could take a look I'd appreciate it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237751/ | 19:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | jichenjc proposed openstack/nova: Add more 'actions' for server concepts doc https://review.openstack.org/236947 | 19:50 |
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| mmmpork | sdague: i'm going to start working on the success case we talked about for your change, while we're waiting for others to review | 20:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova: force_config_drive: StrOpt -> BoolOpt https://review.openstack.org/237762 | 20:01 |
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| edleafe | doffm: bauzas is on vacation this week | 20:21 |
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| doffm | edleafe: Ok. I was actually going to ask if you could take a look also. :) | 20:25 |
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| sdague | mmmpork: sounds great | 20:41 |
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| sdague | melwitt: if you are about, want to take a look at - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234782 - i.e. more fun on the version discovery | 20:43 |
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| melwitt | sdague: sure, will do | 20:45 |
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