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| jwcroppe | dansmith, jaypipes: ^^^ revamped metrics based on our discussion earlier this afternoon | 00:52 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks a lot for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222228/, I'm going to check that, just found you did. | 00:56 |
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| rajesht | hi cores, | 06:44 |
| rajesht | please review some small fixes for assertEqual arguemnt order | 06:44 |
| rajesht | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221663/ | 06:45 |
| rajesht | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221609/ | 06:45 |
| rajesht | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221304/ | 06:45 |
| rajesht | thanks in advance | 06:45 |
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| martinus__ | Hi there I am looking for help. I'm using an older openstack distribution (grizzly) and I have a /var/lib/nova/instances/xxx-xxx-(...)_resize folder which seems not linked to any existing instance (comparing with nova list --all-tenants). Can I delete this safely ? | 08:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova: Nova handles servers list with limit=0 different in API and DB https://review.openstack.org/222511 | 08:03 |
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| bauwser | morning Nova | 08:04 |
| martinus__ | morning | 08:04 |
| martinus__ | is there a non-idling nova guru to help me with ? | 08:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alex Xu proposed openstack/nova: Allow leading/trailing spaces for name field in v2.1 compat mode https://review.openstack.org/220791 | 09:11 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: thanks for review, I just address your comment, would you like take a look at again when you have time ^ ? thanks in advance | 09:11 |
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| oomichi | alex_xu: sure | 09:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: alex_xu: hows is everything looking? | 09:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try jump on the links in the etherpad in a little bit | 09:24 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I guess good, but I didn't check the time in the etherpad yet. I'm out of office today, just back | 09:25 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: I found a problem on the patch. but I like to confirm current validation problems before that. | 09:25 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: we relaxed validation for scheduler-hints, are there validation problems on the env? | 09:26 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: after that? | 09:26 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: or swtiched back to legacy v2 code now on the env? | 09:27 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: emmm... I didn't quite get what your mean, what env? | 09:27 |
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| oomichi | alex_xu: rax | 09:28 |
| martinus__ | Hi there I am looking for help. I'm using an older openstack distribution (grizzly) and I have a /var/lib/nova/instances/xxx-xxx-(...)_resize folder which seems not linked to any existing instance (comparing with nova list --all-tenants). Can I delete this safely ? | 09:31 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: checked the api works, the only left thing is relax name for leading/trailing which is critical bug. the scheduler-hint bug I think it's fine, as we already set addtiionalproperties to True. And the python-novaclient was done also. | 09:32 |
| alex_xu | So I mean we are good | 09:32 |
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| oomichi | alex_xu: according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1491511, the name should be able to contain spaces. | 09:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491511 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Behavior change with latest nova paste config" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 09:36 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: yea | 09:37 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: from #4 comment | 09:37 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: so relaxing validation for that is fine now for me. | 09:37 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: but I still cannot find the justification of stripping spaces of front/end. | 09:38 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: automatically | 09:38 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: even if reading the comment on the latest patch | 09:38 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: the comment#4 is about spaces in the middle of name | 09:39 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: something like "aaa bb" | 09:39 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: and the patch is saying "that is common behavior which removes spaces automatically" | 09:39 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: and already fix "aa bb" case, the patch already merged | 09:39 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: ah, I see "TEST_2015-09-02 21:39:34.721645_config" | 09:39 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: the bug under review is about remove leading/trailing spaces like " a " | 09:40 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: so is the patch really necessary now? | 09:40 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: finally in db will be "a" | 09:40 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: actually most of people(I guess all) didn't have strong opinion on this, but that did break compatible | 09:41 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: so finially the discussion think about no user will distinguish instance by "instance_foo" and "instance_foo " | 09:41 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, I know. but if there is not actual problem, I'd like to avoid this kind of strange behavior as our standard | 09:41 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: so we can allow "instance_foo " but strip them, sounds like a middle tradeoff | 09:42 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: actually part of API strip the name, some of api not | 09:42 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: yea, that also an option, actually in the beginning, I'm a little prefer not to fix that, that make something complex spcial after support legacy v2 schema | 09:43 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: so if someone reports this as a bug, we can see actual use cases of this patch. | 09:44 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: can we wait for that? | 09:44 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: that is a reason why I asked johnthetubaguy we are still in validation problems or not. | 09:44 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: actually currently patch can avoid something break before people report bug. but i'm fine waiting it, but I hope we have agreement from other people also | 09:45 |
| bauwser | oomichi: did you see my comment about putting off the series for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220893/ ? | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: sorry, I didn't notice the message, we are still running v2 right now, its more a case of us getting time to make the switch, now it should be possible | 09:45 |
| bauwser | oomichi: we could +W it since Vek approved it too | 09:45 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: and that bug isn't rc1 blocker I think, so we can have discussion again in the next api meeting | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: also for clarity we are not yet running v2.1 | 09:45 |
| bauwser | oomichi: btw. bauwser = bauzas on Fridays | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: feel free to add the tag, or just target it to RC1 | 09:46 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you hope rc block on that? | 09:46 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: thanks :) | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I would have to take a look, but if we know its bad, we can make sure we think about it :) | 09:47 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: np, thanks for the insist, that we help us won't screw up our API | 09:47 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: re: the new tag for RC candidates, do you think I could add it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1390033 ? | 09:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1390033 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Inconsistent info of availability zone (az) if the default az is replaced" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 09:48 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: since it's a low bug | 09:48 |
| oomichi | bauwser: ah, yeah. but I'd like to still put it on the series because we can have enough time to discuss the exception because of already relaxing scheduler-hints validation with another patch | 09:48 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I think it's fine, the most critical case already merged | 09:49 |
| bauwser | oomichi: well, I think it's not needed to wait for that discussion in order to fix the problem IMHO | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: so RC candidates, there is a good list somewhere, but worry about stuff we can't backport, and stuff that really hurts our users | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: thats usually not something thats low priority, but sounds like your bug might have the wrong priority set on it | 09:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: cool | 09:50 |
| kodokuu | Hi dims I have question for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206804/ | 09:50 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: well, it's not really a huge bug TBH | 09:50 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: I just think it's a good opportunity for fixing it now | 09:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean just do best effort on it, sounds fine | 09:50 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: but that's fair to wait | 09:50 |
| dims | kodokuu: pong | 09:50 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: okay, I won't provide the tag | 09:50 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: by thinking about it, it would confuse some people | 09:51 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: and say "eh, that looks like anyone can put any bug ? cool." | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | true | 09:51 |
| bauwser | okay, will rather update the etherpad of doom | 09:51 |
| oomichi | bauwser: ah, I don't think so. | 09:51 |
| oomichi | bauwser: I'd like to avoid breaking microversion contract by myself before getting enough consensus about the exception. | 09:51 |
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| kodokuu_ | dims I add this commit but I have always Warning Connection pool is full, discarding connection | 09:52 |
| bauwser | oomichi: okay I see | 09:52 |
| kodokuu_ | dims But I configure oslo.vmware with pool_maxsize=150 | 09:52 |
| bauwser | oomichi: I'm just worried to see that cells users could get a 400 if they would use v2.1 | 09:52 |
| bauwser | oomichi: but we can wait | 09:53 |
| dims | kodokuu: there's lots of places where the request pool size is not set, not just from oslo.vmware | 09:53 |
| oomichi | bauwser: no, we can use it on v2.1 api also | 09:53 |
| bauwser | oomichi: ? | 09:53 |
| oomichi | bauwser: because we already relax v2.1 api also with johnthetubaguy/alex_xu's patch | 09:53 |
| bauwser | oomichi: you mean that if s/o uses microversions (ie. v2.1) and provides the cells hint, it won't return a 400 ? | 09:53 |
| bauwser | oh true | 09:54 |
| bauwser | is that merged ? | 09:54 |
| oomichi | bauwser: yea | 09:54 |
| bauwser | coolness, missed that one then | 09:54 |
| bauwser | so aP = True now ? coolness | 09:54 |
| kodokuu_ | dims So with " WARNING requests.packages.urllib3.connectionpool [-] Connection pool is full, discarding connection:" it's not olso.vmware ? | 09:54 |
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| bauwser | oomichi: thanks for the clarification, was thinking that johnthetubaguy's change wasn't yet merged, missed that event | 09:55 |
| dims | kodokuu_: yep | 09:55 |
| oomichi | bauwser: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217727/ | 09:55 |
| kodokuu_ | dims arf :/ this is with my vcenter connection. So need to open new bug | 09:55 |
| oomichi | bauwser: so we have enough time for discussing | 09:55 |
| bauwser | so yeah, definitely lower prio for adding the hint | 09:56 |
| bauwser | oomichi: 100% agreed | 09:56 |
| bauwser | let's discuss first then | 09:56 |
| oomichi | bauwser: yeah, right on actual problem | 09:56 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: hi! All required fixes to novaclient are merged already. Manila starts using novaclient in correct way. cinder will fix usage too(e0ne promise to fix it in the coming days). Neutron and osc already switched from deprecated yesterday method "get_clients_class" to correct one. So everything is good, now:) | 09:57 |
| kodokuu_ | dims open on nova or vmware driver ? | 09:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: awesome stuff, thank you for pushing on that | 09:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Make the create_instance call accept security group ids as well as names https://review.openstack.org/217292 | 09:57 |
| dims | either one will be fine, as long as we can figure out from the logs who is logging it | 09:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: I wonder if we have some docs on what folks running older versions but newer python-novaclient should do to fix things? | 09:58 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: What about release new version of novaclient? it a little bit critical, since gates of several projects are broken now | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: so I think we have to release off the stable branch now, if my memory is correct | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, except we don't have one yet | 09:59 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 09:59 |
| oomichi | bauwser: about name of scheduler-hint. Can nova say "this is just a hint, not contract" to clients? | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: so now might be the time I guess | 09:59 |
| oomichi | bauwser: if nova can say that, maybe ignoring scheduler-hints' values is fine because of just hint | 10:00 |
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| oomichi | bauwser: if the parameter name as "scheduler-rule" or something, nova cannot say that | 10:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: just looking, but I guess we will want to bump the minor version, given the deprecation stuff? | 10:00 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: yes | 10:01 |
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| bauwser | oomichi: well, not yet opiniated | 10:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: is there anything more we need to wait for right now, I guess not? | 10:01 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: about docs: we have only one bug which collects projects with incorrect usage - https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1493576 . osc and neutron are missed from it, since it usage is not "wrong". | 10:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493576 in Mistral "Incorrect usage of python-novaclient" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Zhenguo Niu (niu-zglinux) | 10:02 |
| bauwser | oomichi: either we consider that hints are as the other attributes and need to be clearly defined (so then int-tree hints and out-of-tree hint to be different, like I said in the reviews), or we consider an exception for hints re: defcore | 10:02 |
| oomichi | bauwser: now aP is True but clients are possible to send meaningless hints, and nova just ignores them now | 10:02 |
| bauwser | oomichi: but I'd rather defer that to people like johnthetubaguy, sdague and jaypipes | 10:02 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: There are several small docstrings fixes, but the are not critical or even medium priority | 10:02 |
| oomichi | bauwser: ah, that is a next/difficult topic ..;) | 10:03 |
| oomichi | bauwser: I just want to know ignoring these hints is fine or not because of just hint as the name | 10:03 |
| bauwser | oomichi: could you clarify ? | 10:05 |
| bauwser | oomichi: you mean, is it okay to have clients sending hints that we don't take care of ? | 10:05 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: when new release of novaclient will be ready, I'll update release notes of liberty to include deprecation information | 10:05 |
| bauwser | oomichi: if so, the question whatever remains with in-tree hints available but filters not running | 10:05 |
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| bauwser | oomichi: I'd say I would love some discussion about how our APIs can be modular (not extensible) ie. if we should ignore that | 10:06 |
| bauwser | oomichi: hence me thinking it's more than just the scheduler problem | 10:07 |
| bauwser | oomichi: so we should treat that question as part of the big problem | 10:07 |
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| bauwser | oomichi: MHO is that it's pretty the same problem for image extra specs and flavor properties | 10:08 |
| bauwser | oomichi: we're atm allowing to write some extra specs that are meaningless to some drivers | 10:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds spec for exposing host capabilities https://review.openstack.org/222200 | 10:09 |
| * bauwser goes afk for a bit (lunch) | 10:10 | |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: danpb: hi. following our discussion from a few days ago regarding exposing host capabilities, I've submited a spec for that. Note, it still needs ironing out some details, but I'd like some feedback and opinions on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222200/ | 10:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: its going to be a few days before I get to that I am afraid, given the RC push. Maybe add that in the priorities etherpad, that should make me remember to take a look for you | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: appreciate you following through on that though, thank you! | 10:13 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: on the liberty priorities etherpad or is there a mitaka etherpad? | 10:14 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: sure, no problem. :) | 10:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: good question, just the liberty one for now, I guess | 10:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radomir Dopieralski proposed openstack/nova: Gracefully handle 404 responses from neutron when polling for floating IPs https://review.openstack.org/216746 | 10:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: so I have put the change up to request a few version: https://review.openstack.org/222560 | 10:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, a new version | 10:23 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: nice | 10:25 |
| oomichi | bauwser: sorry, I am a little out. yeah "is it okay to have clients sending hints that we don't take care of ?" is I wanted to say | 10:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: FWIW, I don't like that, but it seems the best trade off right now | 10:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | one day I want a version where we can validate all that | 10:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | but sometimes I am a bit of a dreamer, I guess | 10:27 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: dreamer is necessary as our PTL :) | 10:28 |
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| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: also, we've talked at the midcycle about having a library for hyper-v utils, as we basically have code duplication across projects: nova, neutron, cinder, ceilometer. Plus, that library will be used in the future in other openstack projects. Also, it saves the reviewers the effort of reviewing hyper-v specific code or calls, which not a lot of people understand. | 10:29 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: anyways, using that library in nova, would that require a blueprint? | 10:29 |
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| oomichi | I feel scheduler-hints is a very good name because we possibily say that. | 10:29 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: and as a clarification, it only contains *Utils classes. | 10:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: yes, it would, but we can make that a spec less blueprint | 10:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: is this going to be something like oslo_hyperv? | 10:31 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: cool, thanks! | 10:31 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy: separate core/team, not related to oslo cores | 10:31 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: the oslo team decided that it should be a standalone project, not under the oslo umbrella | 10:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: they key bit about the blueprint is we can track the effort, and make sure it gets the review attention it needs (and we communicate it happened to users, although that less useful for that one) | 10:32 |
| oomichi | bauwser: sorry for my late response. it is difficult to catch your speed. I agree extra-specs also contain the similar problem/behaivor which just ignores. | 10:32 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: the decided name would be os-win, for now. As the library contains also windows specific code. | 10:32 |
| claudiub|2 | johnthetubaguy: sure. i'll add the blueprint. | 10:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub|2: ah, thats OK I guess | 10:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | more big tent-ey | 10:33 |
| dims | yay :) | 10:33 |
| claudiub|2 | :D | 10:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: could you check the release includes all the patches you are wanting in there? they have this cool tool it seems: http://logs.openstack.org/60/222560/1/check/gate-releases-tox-list-changes/a7eef3e/console.html | 10:35 |
| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: sure | 10:36 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: all inclusive :) | 10:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: awesome, thank you. | 10:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | huan proposed openstack/nova: Do not rely on XenAPI to guess device names https://review.openstack.org/213112 | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Feoktistov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Getting the correct disk size for the instance based on VZ container https://review.openstack.org/222567 | 10:54 |
| andreykurilin__ | johnthetubaguy: oops.. Today is Friday. Are we ready for making Friday's release?)) | 10:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what is Friday's release? | 10:55 |
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| figleaf | johnthetubaguy: bauwser: oomichi: catching up on the scrollback. We can't forget about the case where in-tree hints are ignored because the operator disabled the filter. | 11:10 |
| figleaf | It can't possibly be viewed as a 'contract' by nova | 11:10 |
| figleaf | since operators can enable/disable at will | 11:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | figleaf: +1 I would love all this to be discoverable, and work the best we can for in tree hints | 11:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/nova: Ironic: Add support for microversion https://review.openstack.org/221848 | 11:11 |
| figleaf | johnthetubaguy: sure, but as bauwser pointed out, the API and the scheduler are different processes | 11:12 |
| figleaf | coordinating across them is usually very bad juju | 11:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | figleaf: very true... can the API can decide what is allowed, an tell the scheduler, although that doesn't feel quite right | 11:13 |
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| figleaf | johnthetubaguy: the API can allow/disallow requests, but it can only pass on to the scheduler what it approves (or ignores) | 11:14 |
| figleaf | what we seem to be wanting is for the scheduler to tell the API "these are the valid hints that I will honor" | 11:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | figleaf: I am thinking about some scheduler code in the API that then tells the scheduler which filter and weights to use, as well as the hints, but thats a little crazy | 11:15 |
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| figleaf | johnthetubaguy: +1 to crazy :) | 11:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 11:15 |
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| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, hi | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov_: hi, how can I help? | 11:35 |
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| tdurakov_ | could you assist with merging this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216329/ | 11:35 |
| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, it is a real pain that we have hypervisor-logic in compute manager class. | 11:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov_: I am fairly sure that logic was important for other drivers, I don't like just removing it | 11:39 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: Bon Appetit | 11:42 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: Friday's release is a release before several weekdays, so if release will break something, developers start fixing only after a few days:) | 11:43 |
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| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, ping me after lunch. I've checked other drivers, there are no such keys for other drivers in migrate_data dict. i don't want to remove it, just trying to put it to the right place:) yep, bon appetit | 11:44 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: figleaf: FWIW, I have an idea for having the API and scheduler synchronizing the hints | 11:49 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: figleaf: tl;dr: using a NovaObject should be good for that | 11:50 |
| figleaf | bauwser: I have no doubt that it's possible. I just don't think that such enforcement helps users at all. | 11:51 |
| figleaf | bauwser: The contract should be between the cloud provider and the user, not between Nova and the user | 11:52 |
| bauwser | anyway, we need to discuss that for the summit | 11:52 |
| figleaf | bauwser: +1 | 11:52 |
| * figleaf goes to get more coffee. | 11:53 | |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: figleaf: FWIW, just writing a proposal for the summit | 11:53 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: just some feedback about filling in the gform | 12:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | George Peristerakis proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Search the list of servers with unicode text. https://review.openstack.org/200649 | 12:17 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: I just feel requiring a nova-spec for the submission is maybe a bit hard | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: ah, yeah, gotcha, was talking to dims about that a bit | 12:19 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: of course, we can add the spec later on, nope ? | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: ideally up front, if we merge the spec we don't need the summit session | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauwser: its not required as such, more recommended | 12:20 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: even the talk I want to have (about hints) should probably require more than one spec | 12:20 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: oh, maybe it was PEBKAC | 12:20 |
| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: I wrote 'TBD' | 12:20 |
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| bauwser | johnthetubaguy: lemme see if I leave the field blank | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it can be blank I think | 12:20 |
| bauwser | yey | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | but it should contain http if its not blank | 12:20 |
| bauwser | it does input validation but not that strict | 12:21 |
| bauwser | that can be left optional | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, thats on purpose | 12:21 |
| bauwser | ok, pebkac definitely | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | the required fields get a red star and everything | 12:21 |
| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, read your comment, to my patch. I've checked other drivers, it seems they don't use that logic | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Fix order of arguments in assertEqual https://review.openstack.org/221228 | 12:22 |
| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, who could confirm that this logic is really required for other drivers? | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov_: unsure, I thought we needed that for XenAPI, at least I remember explicitly not pushing that down into the libvirt driver, although I would have to do a re-read | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov_: it might be I just needed (False, False) though, don't 100% remember | 12:24 |
| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, i can walk through all drivers code again and leave comment in gerrit | 12:25 |
| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, i'll ping you then | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov_: at his point in the cycle, its more the risk of doing that, which worries me, we have zero CI coverage on that code right now | 12:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, in most drivers, anyways | 12:26 |
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| sdague | bauwser: on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220218/4/tempest/api/compute/test_versions.py,cm could we use a mock sentinel there instead of a string that has to be the same in both places? | 12:39 |
| sdague | it's a bit minor but I feel like magic strings are part of what got us into trouble in az land in the first place | 12:39 |
| bauwser | sdague: surely | 12:39 |
| bauwser | sdague: yeah | 12:39 |
| sdague | other than that, I'm good with the patch | 12:39 |
| sdague | so if you want to respin that, I'll +2 it | 12:39 |
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| bauwser | sdague: just point me out the right change, because I'm +1 with a mock.sentinel.ctx but the change you gave me is not the right one ;) | 12:40 |
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| sdague | bauwser: dammit, linux cut buffers | 12:41 |
| bauwser | sdague: np, I guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149562/16/nova/tests/unit/test_availability_zones.py,cm ? | 12:41 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149562/16/nova/tests/unit/test_availability_zones.py,cm | 12:41 |
| sdague | yeh | 12:41 |
| sdague | the I've got a draft comment, I'll just push the -1 button | 12:41 |
| bauwser | okay, respining it, thanks for the review | 12:41 |
| bauwser | coolness | 12:42 |
| sdague | if people are around I like discussing it with them and not just leaving the -1 :) | 12:42 |
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| bauwser | sdague: hah, I'm just providing a field to a NovaObject so coercing using a Sentinel object is not good :) | 12:48 |
| bauwser | but that's fair, I can do something else | 12:48 |
| sdague | bauwser: ok, why is a sentinel not good here? | 12:48 |
| bauwser | dansmith: wondering if we should have some fixture for accepting mocks and sentinels when coercing | 12:49 |
| bauwser | sdague: ValueError: A string is required in field availability_zone, not a _SentinelObject | 12:49 |
| sdague | ah | 12:49 |
| sdague | ok, never mind then | 12:49 |
| bauwser | sdague: hence my question to dansmith | 12:49 |
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| sdague | ok, so given that, I'll +2 the existing patch, and if there is a better thing in the future, we can do that | 12:50 |
| bauwser | okay, your call | 12:50 |
| sdague | yeh, I thought it would be quick. I don't think a bunch of running around for this one is worth it if it's a lot more complicated. | 12:50 |
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| bauwser | sdague: FWIW, just seeing how a fixture could relax that validation | 12:52 |
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| sdague | yep, cool, if you come up with a thing, that would be neat | 12:53 |
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| tdurakov_ | johnthetubaguy, left comment for you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216329/ | 12:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mikhail Feoktistov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Getting the correct disk size for the instance based on VZ container https://review.openstack.org/222567 | 13:08 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: are you here? | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: yes | 13:16 |
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| andreykurilin | johnthetubaguy: the question resolved:) thanks | 13:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | andreykurilin: ah, even better | 13:24 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 13:24 |
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| diana_clarke | Thanks for the review, figleaf! I'll implement your suggestions later today. | 13:27 |
| mriedem | yar! | 13:27 |
| figleaf | diana_clarke: np | 13:28 |
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| dansmith | bauwser: I'd rather not.. when we converted to objects, we found tons of stuff where people were using '1' instead of 1 in the tests and things | 13:30 |
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| dansmith | we've fixed a lot by requiring the tests to actually work like runtime | 13:30 |
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| dansmith | if anything, we need a sentinel class that includes integer sentinels or something :) | 13:30 |
| bauwser | dansmith: my thought was just about adding that kind of stuff http://paste.openstack.org/show/456810/ | 13:31 |
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| dansmith | bauwser: yeah, I figured | 13:31 |
| bauwser | dansmith: so, I see | 13:32 |
| bauwser | dansmith: you prefer to ask people to write the correct stuff | 13:32 |
| dansmith | yeah, I prefer correct stuff indeed :) | 13:32 |
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| dansmith | oh my manners | 13:32 |
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| bauwser | I see | 13:32 |
| bauwser | well, that's understandable | 13:33 |
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| bauwser | sdague: see ^ | 13:33 |
| superdan | now, if we had bauwser_mock.sentinel.int.foobar, that would be cool | 13:33 |
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| bauwser | superdan: I see, some sentinels returning integers ? | 13:34 |
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| superdan | right | 13:34 |
| bauwser | superdan: or just coercing the IntegerField to accept a sentinel ? | 13:34 |
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| superdan | no, an actual integer sentinel | 13:34 |
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| bauwser | superdan: I see | 13:34 |
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| sdague | is the type structure in python such that you could mixin the int type and be done with it? | 13:34 |
| superdan | um, what? | 13:35 |
| bauwser | superdan: the problem is that using a sentinel just returns a Sentinel object | 13:35 |
| superdan | you actually just need the __int__ method on your class or whatever it's called | 13:35 |
| * superdan never remembers | 13:35 | |
| superdan | bauwser: yeah, which has a __str__ on it, so it can pass as a string | 13:35 |
| bauwser | right | 13:36 |
| bauwser | so a str(mock.sentinel.foobar) | 13:36 |
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| bauwser | okay, I think I see | 13:36 |
| bauwser | some other stuff returning a separate object using a sentinel but coerced | 13:37 |
| bauwser | correctly | 13:37 |
| bauwser | something my_sentinel.int | 13:37 |
| bauwser | which calls mock.sentinel and adds some int magic | 13:37 |
| bauwser | sounds doable | 13:37 |
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| superdan | just put this in o.vo so we can use it there | 13:38 |
| bauwser | superdan: it's Friday fun, I can try | 13:38 |
| bauwser | superdan: do you think I should write a Fixture for this ? ie. adding some attributes to the TestCase | 13:40 |
| bauwser | superdan: or just provide a separate object that anyone could just instanciate ? | 13:41 |
| bauwser | superdan: AFAICS, there is a test module and I could land it here | 13:41 |
| superdan | not a fixture I think, just a sentinel-like thing people can use | 13:41 |
| superdan | bauwser: I didn't follow the full convo, but what is the type that you actually need? | 13:42 |
| superdan | is it integer or something else? | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Jordan Pittier proposed openstack/nova: libvirt:on snapshot delete, use qemu-img to blockRebase if VM is stopped https://review.openstack.org/192736 | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Jordan Pittier proposed openstack/nova: libvirt:update live_migration_monitor to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/211152 | 13:42 |
| bauwser | superdan: that kind of magic http://paste.openstack.org/show/456815/ | 13:42 |
| superdan | because if it's string, you just make your assertEqual do str() on the sentinel during the compare | 13:43 |
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| bauwser | superdan: since the StringField coerce method checks the type, it needs to be a string | 13:43 |
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| superdan | bauwser: so just pass foo.attr = str(sentinel.thing) | 13:43 |
| bauwser | superdan: I was thinking of something less explicit | 13:43 |
| bauwser | superdan: like o_voo.test.sentinel.str.foobar | 13:44 |
| superdan | yep, that's fine too, you just can't have that for several weeks is all | 13:44 |
| bauwser | I didn't get that | 13:45 |
| superdan | if you put this into o.vo, you won't get a release of it until mitaka | 13:45 |
| bauwser | superdan: oh, that's fine | 13:45 |
| superdan | I definitely think it should go there | 13:45 |
| superdan | okay | 13:45 |
| bauwser | superdan: it's Friday fun, I can wait :) | 13:45 |
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| bauwser | superdan: or write it in both o_voo and nova and remove the nova stuff when o_voo is bumped :) | 13:46 |
| bauwser | superdan: but that's fair to wait :) | 13:47 |
| figleaf | bauwser: isn't this overkill? | 13:47 |
| superdan | or, do str(sentinel) for now in nova and do the right thing in o.vo | 13:47 |
| superdan | figleaf: yes it is :) | 13:47 |
| superdan | but he wants overkill I think :) | 13:47 |
| bauwser | figleaf: hah :) | 13:47 |
| figleaf | bauwser: if you separate the string declaration out like I suggested, the magic goes away | 13:47 |
| bauwser | okay, lemme draft some geattr magical thing | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova: Moved live_migration_cleanup_flags to driver class https://review.openstack.org/216329 | 13:48 |
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| artom | johnthetubaguy, want to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179947/ (Glance proxy osapi_max_limit) ? | 13:52 |
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| mriedem | is there a reason why CONF.security_group_api isn't a ChoiceOpt? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | the choices are only nova/neutron/quantum right? | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | oh i guess you can plugin | 14:37 |
| mriedem | fun | 14:37 |
| mriedem | lascii: johnthetubaguy: does rax have it's own security group API by chance? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | maybe you'd have to kill me if you tell me | 14:37 |
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| lascii | mriedem: we don't offer security groups yet, or they're in testing or something | 14:38 |
| mriedem | oh right,cells | 14:38 |
| lascii | partially that, and partially that we setup multiple networks | 14:38 |
| mriedem | superdan: maybe you want to nix the ability to plugin your own security group API :) | 14:38 |
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| superdan | mriedem: +1 | 14:50 |
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| hemna | anyone get access to the kilo branch on github? | 14:51 |
| hemna | I get 404 | 14:51 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/kilo/nova/virt/libvirt/volume/volume.py | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | superdan: you can't really make the security group API not pluggable as long as the network backend is pluggable via network_api_class | 14:51 |
| mriedem | hemna: works for me https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/stable/kilo | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | hemna: that volume module moved in liberty | 14:52 |
| mriedem | this is kilo https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/kilo/nova/virt/libvirt/volume.py | 14:52 |
| hemna | mriedem: hrmm. | 14:52 |
| hemna | ok thanks. must be a github issue from my end. strange | 14:52 |
| mriedem | hemna: no you're looking for https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/kilo/nova/virt/libvirt/volume/volume.py | 14:53 |
| mriedem | which doesn't exist in kilo | 14:53 |
| mriedem | hemna: moved per https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/a9938aebde8b8a1c1571840e53ab220ac9a17086 | 14:53 |
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| hemna | I was able to get to it from the top level. | 14:53 |
| hemna | thanks man | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | hemna: btw, are you afk or not? :) there are 2 of you | 14:54 |
| hemna | heh I’m at a coffee shop this morning….truck is getting worked on. | 14:54 |
| hemna | my other one is my box at work | 14:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, its the private networks using NSX removes most of the security group gains | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | this is an easy review, just adds debug logging for lxc container teardown v | 15:07 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219859/ | 15:07 |
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| ctrath | mriedem: ^ wondering why debug and not warn was used for logging | 15:11 |
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| mriedem | for which part? | 15:12 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219859/1/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py is definitely debug | 15:12 |
| mriedem | i figure warning in the init method is wrong here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219859/1/nova/virt/disk/api.py | 15:12 |
| mriedem | and i think that actually shows up quite a bit, the LOG.debug('No device found for path: %s', mount_dir) part | 15:13 |
| ctrath | looking here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219859/1/nova/virt/disk/api.py | 15:13 |
| mriedem | yes, some of this code doesn't make a ton of sense | 15:13 |
| mriedem | like teardown() on L373 | 15:13 |
| mriedem | if self._mounter isn't set, it doesn't tear anything down | 15:14 |
| mriedem | which is why i added the debug in the constructor, because self._mounter is only set in the constructor if there is a device path | 15:14 |
| mriedem | s/device path/device/ | 15:14 |
| ctrath | yeah.. seems like there should be at least a log message there | 15:14 |
| mriedem | where? | 15:14 |
| mriedem | teardown()? | 15:14 |
| ctrath | teardown | 15:14 |
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| mriedem | i thought about that | 15:15 |
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| mriedem | teardown_container calls img.teardown() which does nothing in some cases | 15:15 |
| mriedem | which is I think why teardown_container has the extra cleanup code, which actually duplicates some of what teardown() would do, if it worked | 15:15 |
| mriedem | like the qemu-nbd -d call | 15:15 |
| mriedem | btw, this is a devstack run with that change in use | 15:16 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/48/219448/3/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/672e11a/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz | 15:16 |
| mriedem | search for "No device found for path:" | 15:16 |
| mriedem | it's pretty much every teardown_container call | 15:17 |
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| ctrath | alright.. +1'd | 15:21 |
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| mriedem | so, | 15:23 |
| mriedem | i think there is a problem here | 15:23 |
| mriedem | but until we know more i didn't want to make that 'no device found for path' a warning | 15:24 |
| mriedem | since teardown_container does it's own thing regardless | 15:24 |
| mriedem | what i'd like to do is actually make img.teardown() work | 15:24 |
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| ctrath | doffm: have you heard anything about your CLA? | 15:25 |
| artom | johnthetubaguy, want to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179947/ (Glance proxy osapi_max_limit) ? | 15:25 |
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| ctrath | mriedem: yeah, I think it's good to have the additional logging. I'm also trying to understand in what situations we should be logging. The code is overall inconsistent, but that's understandable | 15:28 |
| mriedem | i also added that b/c of the suspicion that img.teardown() wasn't doing anything b/c self._mounter wasn't set | 15:28 |
| mriedem | and this proved it | 15:28 |
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| tojuvone | Hi, could somebody have comment to proceed review of get-valid-server-state: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192246 | 15:34 |
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| tojuvone | Also had BP with new API in liberty-3. Should I contact somebody to help corresponding documentation for Liberty? | 15:37 |
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| mriedem | tojuvone: per https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192246 most people aren't reviewing mitaka specs yet | 15:40 |
| mriedem | b/c we're coming up on liberty rc | 15:40 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: what was the liberty-3 bp? | 15:40 |
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| tojuvone | mriedem: mark-host-down was for liberty. Thanks for the Mitaka comment, I'll be patient ;) | 15:42 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: if your bp change had DocImpact in the commit message it will generate a bug for the docs team | 15:43 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: do you have a link to the nova change? | 15:43 |
| superdan | tojuvone: yeah, that'll start up in a few weeks | 15:44 |
| tojuvone | mdiedem: this was the spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/mark-host-down | 15:46 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: so this was the api code change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184086/ | 15:46 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: it's marked APIImpact but not DocImpact, so there is no docs bug | 15:47 |
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| mriedem | tojuvone: so there won't be docs unless you provide them yourself | 15:47 |
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| mriedem | plus i think the nova api docs are now in the nova tree, right sdgaue? | 15:47 |
| mriedem | *sdague | 15:47 |
| mriedem | and from what i remember they are not in a great state | 15:48 |
| tojuvone | Surely there will be almost automatic documentation for API, but if like need more. What it is for and what it does. | 15:48 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: for one i don't think the api docs are automatically generated, but not sure | 15:48 |
| mriedem | second, you're probably talking about something in the manuals right? | 15:48 |
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| sdague | there is a lot less automatic docs than you imagine | 15:48 |
| mriedem | that's where the DocImpact tag and bug would have been useful - for the manual | 15:49 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: you could open your own docs bug | 15:49 |
| tojuvone | mriedem: No, not automatic, but quit straight forward the API part. | 15:49 |
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| mriedem | tojuvone: sure, but i'm talking about http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html | 15:50 |
| mriedem | i don't see anything in ^ for service update | 15:51 |
| mriedem | which is where forced_down happens https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184086/26/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas/v3/services.py | 15:51 |
| tojuvone | mriedem: Yes, that is also what I referred as easier part of defining stuff. But that documentation doesn't include the story how and why to use APi. | 15:51 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: so, what are you looking to accomplish here? | 15:52 |
| mriedem | we agree that docs are needd | 15:52 |
| mriedem | *needed | 15:52 |
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| tojuvone | So kind of wold there be help needed in making http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html changes, or should there be even something more. Surely spec itself tells more, but not the document age for API. | 15:53 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: are you looking for someone to write them for you? or just asking where to push code? | 15:53 |
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| tojuvone | 1st asking should I contribute to have API documentation in place in: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html | 15:53 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: yes, please | 15:54 |
| tojuvone | 2nd that if this docuemnt doesn't tell how and why to use API, should there be something more that tells | 15:54 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: probably | 15:54 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: i'd think that might fit into the manuals somewhere | 15:54 |
| tojuvone | and then what would be that place in documentation. | 15:55 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: the overall theme of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/approved/mark-host-down.html is fault tolerance and unplanned maintenance right? | 15:55 |
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| mriedem | tojuvone: i think somewhere in http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/maintenance.html might be appropriate | 15:55 |
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| tojuvone | mriedem: It is to have openstack state change fast and have ability to do immediate evacuation or any HA action. | 15:56 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: ok, i'd think the ops guide would be a good place for that | 15:57 |
| tojuvone | mriedem: but then it means obligation to API caller, that he is responsible for thing like fencing. | 15:57 |
| mriedem | #openstack-doc might be a good place to get more info on where in the docs guides this should go | 15:58 |
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| tojuvone | mriedem: thanks, still then is it like working trough by making a bug. | 15:59 |
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| mriedem | yeah probably, same as would have happened with the DocImpact tag | 15:59 |
| tojuvone | mriedem: Thanks again . Learning bit by bit how to work here ;) | 16:00 |
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| mriedem | i think this is the repo you'd be looking for http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/ | 16:01 |
| mriedem | for the manuals | 16:01 |
| mriedem | not sure if hte ops guide is in there or not | 16:01 |
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| mriedem | #openstack-doc channel would know | 16:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Cropper proposed openstack/nova: Ensure Nova metrics use coherent data values https://review.openstack.org/219153 | 16:01 |
| jwcroppe | leakypipes, superdan: ^^^ | 16:02 |
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| tojuvone | #mriedem: Thanks, have a nice weekend, it is evening here and have to go make something to eat for the hungry family. | 16:02 |
| mriedem | tojuvone: yw | 16:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | dane-fichter proposed openstack/nova: Nova support for image-signing https://review.openstack.org/189843 | 16:33 |
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| kfox1111 | is there a way to get nova-manage vm list to show the uuid of the vm? | 16:36 |
| kfox1111 | its kind of a pain to have to switch to the tenant to see more info about it. | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | kfox1111: code change required http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/cmd/manage.py#n686 | 16:39 |
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| kfox1111 | thx. | 16:40 |
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| kfox1111 | one more... it use to print out just the active ones. in kilo it changed to all the deleted ones too. | 16:43 |
| kfox1111 | is there a flag to get it to go back to the old behavior? its way slower for my usual usage now. :/ | 16:44 |
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| superdan | kfox1111: did you look for a flag? | 16:44 |
| superdan | if you did and you don't see one, I'd say probably not | 16:44 |
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| kfox1111 | was more of a retorical question. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | rhetorical | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | really can't spel today... | 16:46 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: if there were a flag it'd be in the same code block that i linked above | 16:47 |
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| mriedem | but no there's not, you can only filter on host currently | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | k. I'll report a bug. | 16:48 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: it's not a bug | 16:49 |
| mriedem | it's a wishlist bug at best | 16:49 |
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| superdan | since it's nova-manage, it's more like an autoclose wishlist bug | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | so whats the right way forward? | 16:50 |
| openstackgerrit | LinZhang proposed openstack/nova: Promoting visual machine performance(video, sound and other) in SPICE Now, More and more enterprises use OpenStack as Desktop Virtualization Platform, it need improving remote display performance and playing music/sound files. So, this blueprint hope impr https://review.openstack.org/222699 | 16:50 |
| superdan | if you want to list all instances, use the api and --all | 16:51 |
| superdan | and --all-tenants | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | and that will print hypervisor's too? | 16:51 |
| superdan | print they hypervisor's what? | 16:51 |
| mriedem | i assume he means hosts | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | right. | 16:51 |
| superdan | but it was possessive | 16:51 |
| mriedem | oh dan | 16:52 |
| superdan | heil grammar! | 16:52 |
| mriedem | s/they/the/ | 16:52 |
| superdan | meh, typo :) | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | hehe. we all can't speak today. :) | 16:52 |
| mriedem | engrish | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | me fail english? Thats unpossible... :) | 16:52 |
| mriedem | kfox1111: yeah, i think the nova api is what you want | 16:52 |
| mriedem | oh ralph | 16:52 |
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| kfox1111 | with my op hat on, that seems wrong. shouldn't have to write code to do that. | 16:53 |
| superdan | well, we could remove it from nova-manage if that would be easier | 16:53 |
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| kfox1111 | used that workflow on a day to day basis to debug hypervisor issues. was doing it just today when I realized it changed when we upgraded to kilo. | 16:54 |
| superdan | because we've had a long-standing goal of removing everything from nova-manage that doesn't *have* to be done that way | 16:54 |
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| sdague | fyi, the tempest tests for the version getting in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220218 | 17:04 |
| sdague | in case anyone wants to speak up about them before we land them | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Reduce the number of Instance.get_by_uuid calls https://review.openstack.org/222439 | 17:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Reduce the number of Instance.get_by_uuid calls https://review.openstack.org/222439 | 18:10 |
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| diana_clarke | Hi folks, is there a difference between 'nitpick' and 'femtonit' (new to me, never heard it before, but google suggests it is similar to nitpick). Thanks! | 18:13 |
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| superdan | heh | 18:13 |
| superdan | that's a kevin-ism | 18:13 |
| superdan | femto is a SI prefix for "really damn small" | 18:14 |
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| superdan | diana_clarke: ^ | 18:14 |
| superdan | he uses it in a "I don't need to -1 for this, but my OCD won't let me not mention it" | 18:14 |
| superdan | sort of way | 18:14 |
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| mriedem | ha | 18:15 |
| mriedem | i remember when i was new and had to do some googling to see wtf Vek was talking about | 18:15 |
| superdan | seems obvious to me, and I'm sure to him, but... :) | 18:15 |
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| superdan | I guess I should start saying "yoctonit" so people will think I'm quirky | 18:17 |
| mriedem | please no | 18:18 |
| diana_clarke | thanks, superdan! | 18:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Reduce the number of Instance.get_by_uuid calls https://review.openstack.org/222439 | 18:20 |
| superdan | diana_clarke: just clarified my point in response to your response, by the way | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Reduce the number of Instance.get_by_uuid calls https://review.openstack.org/222439 | 18:32 |
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| tpeoples | anyone know what's up with the xenproject ci? it failed on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220634/ but the logs don't even exist, and it doesn't seem to be rechecking | 18:33 |
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| superdan | diana_clarke: can we chat about an alternative here? | 18:39 |
| diana_clarke | sure! I should have moved it here sooner. | 18:39 |
| diana_clarke | ^^^ superdan | 18:39 |
| superdan | diana_clarke: so, sorry for not getting the goal of this until the minutiae was out of the way, | 18:40 |
| superdan | but the messiness of storing the list, pulling out the list[0] to compare for newness, etc kinda bothers me | 18:40 |
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| superdan | diana_clarke: any reason not to just keep a dict of instances as well? | 18:41 |
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| superdan | diana_clarke: if you did, then you could avoid even the instance lookups for instances you've already seen when marching through the migration list the first time | 18:42 |
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| superdan | i.e. if you had a few migrations recorded for a single instance, you'd re-pull the same instance more than once | 18:42 |
| diana_clarke | superdan: The good news, is that we now have 100% coverage for that method so we can play with it easily. I'll toss a few other options your way shortly. | 18:42 |
| superdan | but if you just start an instances dict from the beginning, then you could avoid having to do that | 18:42 |
| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : need some input whenever you are free | 18:42 |
| diana_clarke | superdan: okie dokie, thx | 18:43 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: I'm already supposed to be on PTO, so ask quick :) | 18:43 |
| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : will make it quick | 18:44 |
| vilobhmm_11 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202714/7/nova/objects/service.py line #223 | 18:44 |
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| scottda | mriedem: You'd ask me to remind you about nova-manage volume force_detach review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184537/ | 18:44 |
| mriedem | tpeoples: xenproject ci has been bonkers | 18:44 |
| vilobhmm_11 | this is in context with servicegroup refactoring | 18:44 |
| mriedem | scottda: not on friday afternoon! :) | 18:44 |
| scottda | hehe fair enough | 18:44 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | right now service data in db and service object are closely coupled | 18:45 |
| scottda | I forgot to remind you :) | 18:45 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : ^^ with this way we can provide an abstraction and allow different backends to store service data | 18:45 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: well, much of the service stuff will still be stored in the db, regardless of the membership backend we use, right? | 18:46 |
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| * superdan asks a rhetorical question | 18:46 | |
| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : not really | 18:46 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: yes really :) | 18:46 |
| vilobhmm_11 | it depends on the driver used | 18:46 |
| vilobhmm_11 | isn't it | 18:46 |
| superdan | pick a driver | 18:46 |
| vilobhmm_11 | if zk is used…service data will be stored in zk | 18:46 |
| superdan | no | 18:46 |
| vilobhmm_11 | thats what was accepted for liberty | 18:46 |
| superdan | host, binary, version, disabled, disabled_reason will be stored in our db | 18:47 |
| superdan | the up-ness will be a zk thing | 18:47 |
| superdan | in the case of zk | 18:47 |
| vilobhmm_11 | move all of this to respective drivers was accepted as part of https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst | 18:48 |
| vilobhmm_11 | https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/liberty/approved/service-group-using-tooz.rst | 18:48 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: my recollection of the feedback was that the servicegroup bit should have a pluggable interface on top, which we can use to swap out the membership service, but the object and DB layer would remain the same for the static attributes | 18:48 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: right, that's servicegroup drivers, not the basic service records we use for non-membership things | 18:49 |
| vilobhmm_11 | sure | 18:49 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : but service record entry for these static attributes is created as part of https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/service.py#L204 which is very much specific to a particular backend | 18:54 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: I disagree | 18:54 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: that object is responsible for reading and writing from the database | 18:54 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: the servicegroup api sits atop and queries zk for the bits that zk is authoritative for | 18:55 |
| superdan | (in the zk case) | 18:55 |
| superdan | at least in the short term, I don't expect that will be "everything", even if it is later | 18:55 |
| vilobhmm_11 | https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/liberty/approved/servicegroup-api-control-plane.rst in proposed change point #4 mentions it | 18:55 |
| superdan | yep, I just said that | 18:56 |
| superdan | high-level things should go through the servicegroup API | 18:56 |
| vilobhmm_11 | aw…my point is if we consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202714/7/nova/objects/service.py #222 and lets say we keep static attributes in db whereas liveliness info is fetched from zk | 18:56 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | the higher level api used is objects.Service.get_by_compute_host …from what I understand correctly…here before doing https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/service.py#L220 you would want to contact the sg api layer to talk to resp backend(zk in this case) to get liveliness info | 18:58 |
| vilobhmm_11 | and let the db stuff fetch the static service record | 18:58 |
| vilobhmm_11 | does that makes sense ? ^^ | 18:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Reduce the number of Instance.get_by_uuid calls https://review.openstack.org/222439 | 18:58 |
| superdan | no, your spec describes converting current users of service information to use the servicegroup api instead of the direct-to-the-object method currently used | 18:59 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: which means the object stays the same, the db driver gets everything it needs by fetching the object from the database | 18:59 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: the zk driver (at least initially) gets some of the information it needs from the db object, but gets liveness info from zk and returns a consistent result to the caller | 18:59 |
| diana_clarke | superdan: New patch set added, reducing the RPC & DB calls further. Thanks! I have to go pick the kid up from school now. Enjoy your PTO! Thanks again. | 19:00 |
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| superdan | diana_clarke: yeah, I like that better | 19:01 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : rather than object=>db what we do is #1. object=>sg-apilayer=>db-driver=>db or #2. sg-apilayer => db-driver=> objects => db. you mean #1 or #2 | 19:03 |
| superdan | #2 | 19:04 |
| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : and how do you envision it for zk driver ? sg-apilayer => zk-driver => => objects => db ? | 19:05 |
| superdan | the zk driver can still return an object, of course | 19:05 |
| superdan | sg-apilayer => zk-driver => objects => (db, zk) | 19:05 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : ok…in that case won't the calls like these change https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L3480 ? | 19:07 |
| superdan | vilobhmm_11: yes, which is what your spec describes exactly | 19:07 |
| vilobhmm_11 | superdan : in that case we need to have all the api's exposed as part of https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/service.py to be present at https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/servicegroup/api.py as well…isn't it ? | 19:09 |
| vilobhmm_11 | as its done here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202714/7/nova/servicegroup/api.py | 19:10 |
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| superdan | vilobhmm_11: ....yeah... | 19:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova-specs: Backlog spec for flavor classes https://review.openstack.org/222744 | 19:10 |
| vilobhmm_11 | cool | 19:10 |
| * superdan goes away | 19:10 | |
| vilobhmm_11 | thanks superdan ! | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm_11 | alaski : ping | 19:11 |
| figleaf | superdan: up, up, and away! | 19:11 |
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| lascii | vilobhmm_11: hi | 19:14 |
| mriedem | mikal: _cerberus_: if either of you are around, can i get some understanding on how https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219980/ does anything? | 19:15 |
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| mriedem | the bug on ^ was from 2012 so i'm not sure if it's even valid anymore | 19:16 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : thanks for the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222744/1 …sorry was away | 19:18 |
| vilobhmm_11 | wanted to discuss on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/quota-policy-engine | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Taylor Peoples proposed openstack/nova: Return empty PciDevicePoolList obj instead of None https://review.openstack.org/220634 | 19:20 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : actually this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222744/1 can be a good start in that direction | 19:20 |
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| lascii | vilobhmm_11: great | 19:20 |
| lascii | I wanted to get that up because I think there's some cool things that can be done with it | 19:21 |
| vilobhmm_11 | so as proposed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206160/ we are right now using the concept of dynamic-quota-resource | 19:21 |
| vilobhmm_11 | but flavor classes can help | 19:21 |
| vilobhmm_11 | so in general do you want these flavor classes be a base to set the hard-limit for a particular flavor consumption | 19:22 |
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| lascii | vilobhmm_11: the limits would be the same as they are now cpus/ram/disk/etc... but they could be within a flavor | 19:23 |
| lascii | for example we have a cell with ironic nodes and quotas are set like 'ironic:ram': 42. That's not the exact syntax but the basic idea | 19:25 |
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| lascii | and then there are some number of flavors in the ironic flavor class | 19:25 |
| lascii | and if you wanted per flavor quotas like in the spec you could give each flavor a different class | 19:26 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : sure quota classes can be created for a generalization Ironic as well as specilization level (specialization being IronicSmall, IronicLarge, IronicMedium, etc) and quotas can be assigned accordingly | 19:30 |
| vilobhmm_11 | if i understand correctly | 19:30 |
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| lascii | we don't have the ability to set quotas on the specializations, and my proposal doesn't include that. but otherwise yes. the general Ironic grouping could have quotas | 19:32 |
| lascii | if you're interested in multi leveled quotas like that it would be more work | 19:32 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : sure | 19:33 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | do you mind if I update the spec with more details https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222744/1 I m interested in this and would be happy to help on implementation | 19:34 |
| lascii | vilobhmm_11: go ahead | 19:35 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : thanks! | 19:35 |
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| lascii | vilobhmm_11: np, thanks for helping | 19:36 |
| vilobhmm_11 | also how do you envision the role of quota policy engine wrt flavor classes ? because with creation of flavor classes will help to impose quota and limit the number of different permutation conbination for different flavor/az combination so what particular role do you envision for quota policy engine | 19:37 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : ^^ | 19:37 |
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| lascii | vilobhmm_11: I think if we had a policy engine then flavor classes would just be another piece of data to use in it | 19:41 |
| lascii | we have code we're happy to contribute to scope quotas by flavor class. but I wouldn't want to add many/any more scopes beyond that, and some people may not even want to do it with flavor classes | 19:41 |
| lascii | so I still think a general quota policy engine is the right approach to different quotas | 19:42 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : Can you give an example to simplify a little bit…I mean what the policy engine might take as an input and what it will give as an output…so that i can frame it in terms of general quota implementation and what we are proposing for quota-by-x… | 19:46 |
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| harlowja | vilobhmm_11 users can use X resources, request Y comes in for Z resources with A, B, C constraints, apply consumption of Z resources with A, B, C constraints to X via engine, return work(ed) or fail(ed) ? | 19:48 |
| harlowja | thats my generalization idea :) | 19:48 |
| vilobhmm_11 | that makes sense | 19:48 |
| lascii | yeah, basically that | 19:49 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: whenever you come back online do you have thoughts on: https://review.openstack.org/222737 | 19:49 |
| harlowja | now for projects that have reservations (if u wanted to make this general) return reservation_work(ed) or reservation_fail(ed) instead of work(ed) or fail(ed) | 19:49 |
| lascii | I'm struggling with a good syntax right now, but "flavor_class:ironic and az:1": "ram:500" could be a policy | 19:49 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : harlowja and I had dicussed this few days back…snippit from the code drafted by harlowja https://git.corp.yahoo.com/gist/harlowja/be61136ceebb7fd0af39#file-q_engine-py to give more reference to what we mean… | 19:50 |
| harlowja | lascii vilobhmm_11 i wonder if a google search can yield any quota 'dsl' like languages that we can use for nice syntaxes (or even some papers people have done that may have created a syntax as well) | 19:51 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm_11 that git.corp url won't work here ;) | 19:51 |
| vilobhmm_11 | harlowja : thought it was public gist :P | 19:51 |
| lascii | harlowja: seems likely. I haven't gone as far as to look yet :) | 19:51 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm_11 wanna look for any quota DSL on google, or reserach papers or something | 19:51 |
| harlowja | i did a small search a while ago, but nothing extensive | 19:52 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : http://paste.openstack.org/show/457236/ | 19:52 |
| vilobhmm_11 | so looks like we all are on same page on the requirements | 19:52 |
| vilobhmm_11 | I can come up with a spec today | 19:52 |
| vilobhmm_11 | atleast get it going…we can add more details if needed | 19:53 |
| vilobhmm_11 | harlowja : sure | 19:53 |
| lascii | vilobhmm_11: I think this is a great candidate for a summit session, if someone can be there to lead it | 19:53 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm_11 cool, there has to be some kind of prior work that we can look at here for this kind of stuff (DSL for quota or something) | 19:53 |
| vilobhmm_11 | harlowja : sure | 19:53 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii : unfortunately I won't be coming for the summit..harlowja or melwitt will be there though …will check with them | 19:54 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm_11 we'll sneak u in via a suitcase | 19:54 |
| vilobhmm_11 | :P | 19:54 |
| harlowja | or a boat | 19:54 |
| harlowja | or something | 19:54 |
| vilobhmm_11 | lascii, harlowja : thanks for your input ! will work on the spec.. | 19:55 |
| lascii | vilobhmm_11: gotcha. I won't be there either or I would help lead it | 19:55 |
| lascii | vilobhmm_11: np | 19:55 |
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| vilobhmm_11 | alsaki : ping qq | 22:13 |
| vilobhmm_11 | alaski : ^^ | 22:14 |
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