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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Handle port group not found case https://review.openstack.org/193910 | 01:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/nova: Fix nova backup for volume-backed instance https://review.openstack.org/164494 | 01:41 |
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| Jabadia | Assuming I have 10 Computes. 10 VM on Each. now i need to replace compute #10 for some reason ( maintenance ) or it have some problem. | 05:22 |
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| Jabadia | Evacuate is not perfect for the job, as it will place all 10 VM's on single compute which will be unbalanced scenario | 05:23 |
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| Jabadia | question is , am I missing something, or, evacuate need to be enhanced so that it will use scheduler for each VM migration, and not select single compute/host for all | 05:24 |
| Jabadia | I will be glad to implement, I just want to make sure it's not a waste of time | 05:25 |
| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add in CellMapping get_by_id method https://review.openstack.org/193938 | 05:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add instance cell registration utility to nova-manage https://review.openstack.org/193889 | 05:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add in missing unit test for get_by_uuid https://review.openstack.org/193939 | 05:35 |
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| prashup | hi guys | 05:56 |
| prashup | i pushed a code for review. however it failed due to pep8 (i.e. which was due to code formatting) | 05:56 |
| prashup | and there is another failure due to hyper-v-ci | 05:56 |
| prashup | i m looking into the logs ; but can not find anything significant which points to failure | 05:56 |
| prashup | can somebody help | 05:56 |
| prashup | http://64.119.130.115/193444/1/ | 05:56 |
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| sudipto | prashup, you mean you aren't sure of what failed in hyper-v CI? Or both that and pep8? | 05:59 |
| prashup | only hyper-v-CI | 06:00 |
| prashup | formatting errors are clear | 06:00 |
| prashup | i m not sure what failed in hyper-v CI | 06:00 |
| sudipto | did you try a recheck? | 06:01 |
| prashup | sure i will | 06:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/190034 | 06:10 |
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| avishay_ | Hi all. Do I need /var/lib/nova/instances to be on shared storage if I used only boot-from-volume, and have libvirt transfer the xml files? | 06:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova-specs: console: convert consoles code to use objects framework https://review.openstack.org/165838 | 06:55 |
| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add in missing unit test for get_by_uuid https://review.openstack.org/193939 | 06:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add instance cell registration utility to nova-manage https://review.openstack.org/193889 | 07:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: VMware: Handle port group not found case https://review.openstack.org/193910 | 07:14 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: danpb: can you please see https://review.openstack.org/192675. I addressed all of the comments over the weekend | 07:27 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: hi | 07:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/193993 | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/194027 | 08:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed openstack/nova: Add microversion to allow server search option ip6 for non-admin https://review.openstack.org/179569 | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Implement nova rescue https://review.openstack.org/127159 | 08:33 |
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| mikal | Does Vladik Romanovsky hang out on IRC? | 08:35 |
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| ndipanov | mikal, he does, but he's in canada so probably not now :) | 08:36 |
| mikal | Oh, how selfish | 08:36 |
| mikal | Ok, I'll just mutter old man things on this review instead of asking him here | 08:36 |
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| mikal | Is libosinfo in pip anywhere? I can | 08:41 |
| mikal | 't see it | 08:41 |
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| kashyap | mikal: libosinfo is a C project. . . | 08:46 |
| danpb | mikal: it doesn't work that way | 08:46 |
| danpb | mikal: libosinfo is a C library built using GObject, so there is no need for python bindings | 08:47 |
| mikal | danpb: keep talking | 08:47 |
| mikal | danpb: what's gobject? | 08:47 |
| danpb | mikal: the PyGobject dynamically calls into the C library using the magic of GObject Introspection | 08:47 |
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| danpb | mikal: its the low level c object model on wihch gtk is built | 08:47 |
| mikal | danpb: is that what the bonkers module path is about in the import? | 08:47 |
| mikal | danpb: have we attempted to communicate to distros that we want to use this thing? It hasn't gone through requirements.txt because its optional, but I feel like most people will want to enable it. | 08:49 |
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| mikal | danpb: perhaps it would be more efficient if you took a look at the comments I put made to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149625 | 08:50 |
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| danpb | mikal: this was discussed in the original spec | 08:51 |
| danpb | basically, the libosinfo library will be available in any distro that is new enough to include GNOME 3 | 08:51 |
| danpb | so that's basically anything that's released in the last 2-3 years | 08:52 |
| danpb | RHEL-6 is the main one that won't have it, but that's not a big deal | 08:52 |
| mikal | What about server distros with no gnome? How much desktop stuff do they have to pull in to get this library? | 08:52 |
| danpb | there's no dependancy on "desktop stuff" | 08:52 |
| danpb | gobject is a low level library - its just maintained by gnome | 08:52 |
| danpb | the same for libosinfo | 08:53 |
| mikal | Yeah, it just doesn't feel very pythonic, and hence I worry about confusion | 08:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposes to check destination on migrations https://review.openstack.org/179224 | 08:55 |
| avishay | Hi all. Do I need /var/lib/nova/instances to be on shared storage if I used only boot-from-volume, and have libvirt transfer the xml files? | 08:56 |
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| mikal | danpb: are these osinfo lookups particularly expensive? Why are we bothering with a caching layer at all here? | 08:57 |
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| danpb | mikal: the actual loading of the database can be expensive, but the individual lookups probably less so - but i've not actually timed them | 09:00 |
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| mikal | danpb: ok, yeah the db is loaded once though, so that's not a big deal | 09:01 |
| mikal | danpb: I feel like we could drop all of the caching code here and no one would notice | 09:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Savage proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Added marker functionality to flavours and images https://review.openstack.org/193212 | 09:01 |
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| garyk | danpb: can you please look at https://review.openstack.org/192675 - i addressed your comments over the weekend | 09:05 |
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| danpb | mikal: quite possible | 09:08 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: hi John | 09:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: hi | 09:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | moshele: I am around | 09:13 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: could you review my spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184495/ left comment to you | 09:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: sorry, I am busying sorting out the liberty-1 release paperwork this week, although hopefully I can get to it at some point | 09:15 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: is there any possibility that you review it before freeze? | 09:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I am unsure at this point, given the backlog of 100 specs that all want me to review them | 09:18 |
| garyk | tdurakov: is it possible to split that patch into smaller ones (stacked on on top of the other) | 09:18 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, garyk: wrong link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183057/ | 09:19 |
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| tdurakov | garyk: ok, I'll split patch for resize into smaller parts | 09:20 |
| garyk | tdurakov: thanks! | 09:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I am a strong -1 on that API in its current form, I am afraid | 09:23 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: around for a question re: to NUMA ? | 09:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova: Fix quota-update when nova-compute startup finish https://review.openstack.org/170118 | 09:24 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: I'm just trying to get rid of https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/hardware.py#L1191 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191251/4/nova/scheduler/host_manager.py,cm | 09:24 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: so just wanted to make sure that this method is actually there for making sure that numa_usage_from_instances is correctly called ? | 09:25 |
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| bauzas | ndipanov: if so, I can directly call numa_usage_from_instances() directly from the HostManager | 09:25 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: since I already have an InstanceNUMATopology object | 09:26 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, did you read the docstring? | 09:28 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: yup, I did | 09:28 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, no one reads those, I know | 09:28 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: checked your comment. approach with others could cause the headache in future - we have to carry this every time. The point of this spec is to remove ugly serialized string from response. I'm not sure that this info is have to be well defined in enums. | 09:28 |
| tdurakov | joihthetubaguy: what is the profit of such enums there? | 09:28 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: to be clear, you're saying why those methods are there | 09:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: so our users will know what the possible API responses are, and so all the different drivers are forced to return the same set of values for that API, should they support that API | 09:29 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: okay, if you think my ping is not good, then leave me try to do this and wait for your comment | 09:29 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, well it's not that | 09:30 |
| ndipanov | I just think it's well explained in the docstring | 09:30 |
| ndipanov | so not sure which part is unclear | 09:30 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: and users would be forced to convert 'others' values to defined types | 09:30 |
| ndipanov | it's used so that you don't have to do all the type conversions at call site | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I am happy with some catch all values of "unknown" or "other", so it gives us room to grow as those values evolve over time, in the hope that reduces some of the maintenance burden. | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: not sure what you mean? it just means its not in the list the API currently supports right? | 09:31 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, if you want to call numa_usage_from_instances | 09:31 |
| ndipanov | because that method uses objects | 09:31 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: I mean, your docstring is really cool, I just wanted to be sure because I'm like touching things that are quite difficult to change from my perspective, but that's fine, I can test and see :) | 09:31 |
| ndipanov | but we don't have objects everywhere | 09:31 |
| ndipanov | so unless all code paths that need this use objects | 09:32 |
| tdurakov | yep, and as it is not in list, it's not defined correctly. it became useless for operator, no? | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | (so hoststate, resource_tracker and claims | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | ) | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | we can't remove it | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | and filters | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | so hostState, filter, claim | 09:32 |
| ndipanov | RT | 09:32 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: okay, nevermind my question, will test it and we'll see | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: if its not defined, its basically could be "any" value, at which point its not that useful either? I guess the use cases for this API are not clear enough in my head to make that call right now. | 09:33 |
| ndipanov | OK man, I mean I can't explain it better than that... | 09:33 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: if you really want enums we could bump api in future, but for now the aim of spec is clear format | 09:34 |
| tdurakov | let's clean up api in few steps | 09:34 |
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| bauzas | ndipanov: that's fine, I probably overthought on that | 09:34 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: I mean, your docstrings are really clear | 09:35 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: so that's why I can test tho | 09:35 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: ping http://imgh.us/nova.svg | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: so any change we make to the API we basically have to support forever (where forever might be 5 years, or something like that, we don't know yet), so its really quite expensive to do it in too many steps | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: nice! | 09:35 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: we have miocroversions for that, no? | 09:36 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, see where that method is called... in a perfect world we'd just call the one that works on objects... | 09:36 |
| ndipanov | but we can't do that | 09:36 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: built it in dia, I am going to revise it to be nova-net multihost arch only | 09:36 |
| jogo | and add a legend etc. | 09:36 |
| ndipanov | so this was an attempt to keep all of those conversions in one place\ | 09:36 |
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| jogo | johnthetubaguy: but before doing so wanted to get some preliminary feedback about the direction | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: yes, but we still have to keep every microversion supported for a long time | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: we could turn it back to a string in a future version, if that turns out to make more sense, for example | 09:37 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: yeah, but if I'm working right, consume_from_instance will have a spec_obj as a param, and we'll be 100% sure that spec_obj.numa_topology is instance of InstanceNUMATopology | 09:37 |
| jogo | tdurakov: microversions are expensive | 09:38 |
| tdurakov | and we will have 2 extra microversions that we have to support | 09:38 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: so the helper will only be needed for the host_topology, but not for the instance object | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: so, if its left as a string who defines what values that API will take? | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: that needs implementing across several virt drivers, how to they make sure they return consistent values for the all strings? | 09:39 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: it's already a string, technically all cpu_info is the string now. long, serialize json string. there is no cr's to change that. | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: the current API is totally broken, I couldn't agree more on that front | 09:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Luo Gangyi proposed openstack/nova: Correct disk filter in dealing with volume-based instance https://review.openstack.org/194059 | 09:41 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, yes - so you can remove the part of the method that handles instances, if that's the last bit that uses the dict | 09:41 |
| ndipanov | that would be awesome actually | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: I am also agreed that your current proposal is way better than the current API | 09:41 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: ok, last point: if we decide to have enums, especially with the others value. we will bump versions much more frequent | 09:41 |
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| ndipanov | bauzas, and it probaly is | 09:41 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: nope, the PCI manager is using it :( | 09:42 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: but lemme see what I can do | 09:43 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: all new cpu models have to be added into enums. all such addition will cause to have one more microversion - it'll become microversion hell | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: yes. So the way forward here, I feel, is to document this trade off in the alternatives section? | 09:43 |
| tdurakov | enums in alternative section? ok I'll add them. | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: that is what that section of the spec was added for, and you can describe the reasons why you want to keep those as strings | 09:44 |
| sahid | mikal: hello, can you re evaluate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187509/ please, i'm not sure to understand what should i need to update on this spec | 09:44 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: thank you John. I'll ping you in few hours | 09:45 |
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| mikal | sahid: so, yeah, I think the spec should mention that qemu-utils is required. Do we have any other features that require that at the moment (did quiesce ever land?) | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: but we need to discuss in there how multiple drivers will have a consistent API (like different names for each CPU feature). Go look at the libvirt source code is not the correct answer there, APIs should be owned by Nova really. | 09:46 |
| mikal | sahid: my point with the admin user name was more that its an attribute of the image, and therefore should be stored as such | 09:46 |
| mikal | sahid: the user not knowing the username was an aside because I was thinking aloud and requires no action from you | 09:47 |
| sahid | mikal: mikal about qemu-utils - you mean required for the guest? | 09:48 |
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| mikal | sahid: yeah | 09:48 |
| sahid | hum... | 09:48 |
| mikal | sahid: this feature doesn't work unless the guest has that installed, right? | 09:48 |
| sahid | qemu-guest-agent | 09:48 |
| mikal | Yeah, that thing | 09:49 |
| mikal | So, we need to say that in the spec so the tech writers know to document it | 09:49 |
| mikal | I'm not opposed to the agent, but we need to tell people to run it | 09:49 |
| sahid | mikal: sure i mentioned that on user impact | 09:49 |
| sahid | let me double check | 09:49 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: agree, api should be owned by nova. but as for me api should get this info from hypervisor, and left unchanged - as it does currently. | 09:50 |
| sahid | mikal: line 78 | 09:50 |
| sahid | not enough for your point of view? | 09:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: problem is, we support many hypervisors, and need an API that is consistent between them, somehow | 09:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: its a massive cost, but its one Nova is having to deal with for every other feature (there are several examples of us screwing that up, but thats no excuse to start doing it on purpose) | 09:51 |
| mikal | sahid: I'd like to see a sentence or two about how the implementation works in the proposed change as well. I think that's something that operators will be looking for when they go to use the feature. | 09:51 |
| mikal | sahid: but I like line 78 too, its one of my favourite lines | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sahid: I wondered if we need an image property to detect if the guest agent is installed or not, certainly thats what we do in the XenAPI driver for that feature | 09:52 |
| sahid | mikal: ahaha ok let me work on this, thanks | 09:52 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: well libvirt will complaint about it if the guest-agent is not running | 09:53 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: as for me it's not the problem. We should not add any transformations there. Currently op could check it form hypervisor. If we add such transformation operator would go to docs find table that describe which feature is it. It wouldn't be clear | 09:53 |
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| sahid | so we will raise the exception to the user when he will do the request | 09:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Ankit Agrawal proposed openstack/nova: Detach volume after deleting instance with no host https://review.openstack.org/194063 | 09:53 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: not sure it is necessary really | 09:53 |
| mikal | sahid: thanks, I like this feature and I want to approve the spec, I think it just needs to explain some stuff a little more (and perhaps allow the admin username to be configured by an image property) | 09:53 |
| tdurakov | especially if there is lot of features, it will become another hell to map them with native values | 09:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sahid: do you have to wait for the guest agent to respond with the password you are setting? or is it quick to detect if the guest agent is present? we found it delayed the VM boot if that was not optional via an image property | 09:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sahid: for example, windows images tend to reboot during their fist boot, due to sysprep, so you end up waiting a long time before you get the password back from the guest agent, in the general case | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | sahid: but I can't tell from the spec if thats an issue with the qemu guest agent or not | 09:56 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: hum to be honest i do not know | 09:56 |
| moshele | johnthetubaguy: hi, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179577/ are you ok to change it to regex as danpb suggested? | 09:57 |
| sahid | kashyap: ^^ | 09:57 |
| kashyap | sahid: Reading the scroll to get some context | 09:57 |
| sahid | thx | 09:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: what do you mean native values? the API user should be thinking about Nova API values when talking to the Nova API, thats the whole point of the API, you don't need to worry about native values, so there is less vendor lockin, and the ecosystem tools work nicely across all hypervisors | 09:57 |
| sahid | about what johnthetubaguy is asking, if you have any information to give to us | 09:57 |
| kashyap | sahid: I don't want to pretend I've used a whole lot of guest agent, but let me see :-) | 09:59 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Guest Agent is a service that runs inside the guest | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: kashyap: honestly, I am quite shocked people want this feature, I was kinda hoping we could remove that API at some point, and just keep the password generation by cloud-init only | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | kashyap: right thats how the XenAPI one works too | 10:00 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: John, native - values from hypervisors. cpu info as for me is totally about hypervisor. if we add anothe data layer that encapsulate native values - we made things more complicated. there is more cons than pros from that approach | 10:02 |
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| sudipto | johnthetubaguy, danpb : Hi, sorry for asking on a busy day, do you think this one is not ready for a merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180983/ ? | 10:02 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: your question is about to know if it makes time for qemu to inform that the agent is not running when a request is sent, right? | 10:02 |
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| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I am reading LP right and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-driver-local-file is unapproved, yes? | 10:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: correct | 10:05 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I ask because I just -2'ed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134134/ for not having an approved BP | 10:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: sounds good, I was going to re-run the script for that sometime this week | 10:06 |
| mikal | There's a script?!? | 10:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 10:06 |
| mikal | To add -2's? | 10:06 |
| mikal | That's cool | 10:06 |
| mikal | In an we've-automated-being-difficult kind of way | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | one of jogo 's to list out the reviews for blueprints were the blueprint is not approved | 10:07 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: sahid: Let me quickly test locally, with direct libvirt's qemu-guest-agent command | 10:07 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: in other news, we need smoking jackets for mid-cycle. Its totally a thing we need. | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: i did a hack to open each review in a browser to check it, but yeah | 10:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: lol | 10:07 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: you know you want a smoking jacket... You know you do. | 10:07 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: small hitch, they're $400 USD on Amazon | 10:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: Nova, sponsored by Harris Tweed, that would be very funny | 10:08 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: so we'll have to expense them, | 10:08 |
| avishay | Hi all. Do I need /var/lib/nova/instances to be on shared storage if I used only boot-from-volume, and have libvirt transfer the xml files? | 10:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: https://github.com/jogo/gerrit-bp-lp | 10:09 |
| kashyap | avishay: I noticed your earlier question and was trying to recall if I did such a test, but I'm not _quite_ sure of it | 10:09 |
| avishay | kashyap: i know that not having it will affect my console logs, and i saw that there are file locks but not sure if they are relevant | 10:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Fix virtual hard disk detach https://review.openstack.org/194070 | 10:11 |
| avishay | kashyap: my test worked, but that doesn't mean i covered every scenario :) | 10:11 |
| kashyap | avishay: True. There an umpteen no. boot-from-$blah that's possible | 10:11 |
| danpb | sudipto: please stop pinging me every time you upload a new copy of your spec - it is really unhelpful as I have far more to look at than just that one | 10:11 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: the use case for the set-password command is different from that satisfied by the cloud-init boot time password | 10:13 |
| avishay | kashyap: i should never have qcows there or things like that, not worried about those. the locks worry me more. it would be nice if this requirement could be officially relaxed for such environments - HA NFS is a pain | 10:13 |
| kashyap | avishay: I don't have a setup handy, but your question reminds me to set that up, which I've been meaning to for a while. | 10:13 |
| danpb | its for dealing with the case that the admin (for whatever reason) doesn't remember/know the password for existing running instances | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: agreed | 10:13 |
| danpb | i could see this happening if, for example, you had just sacked your sysadmin and want to re-gain control of your cloud instances | 10:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: so it wasn't clear to me that it was only implementing that API, I probably miss-read the spec | 10:13 |
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| danpb | its essentially about getting parity with xenapi for that set-password api | 10:14 |
| mikal | danpb: it happens all the time in public clouds where the root password is assigned to the instance, displayed once, and then not stored by the cloud provider at all | 10:14 |
| danpb | we were very annoyed that there was somewhere that XenAPI had more features that libvirt ;-P | 10:15 |
| mikal | danpb: people click the thing, and then have regrets later about not recording the password | 10:15 |
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| danpb | mikal: yeah i can imagine actually | 10:15 |
| mikal | danpb: so no firings required, although we could still fire someone if we thought it was fun | 10:15 |
| ndipanov | mikal, danpb johnthetubaguy while you're reviewing specs: | 10:17 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191226/ | 10:17 |
| ndipanov | has a +1 from jay the sched lead | 10:17 |
| sudipto | danpb, sorry about that. | 10:18 |
| ndipanov | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193576/ | 10:18 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, seems to be onboard | 10:18 |
| mikal | ndipanov: I am only reviewing funny specs cause its after work hours | 10:18 |
| mikal | ndipanov: is your spec amusing in some way? | 10:18 |
| ndipanov | how funny do you find horrible bugs that have been in the codebase for a long time | 10:18 |
| ndipanov | I personally find them hilarious :) | 10:19 |
| mikal | ndipanov: oh, it depends on if I made them or not... | 10:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: I am attempting to sort out liberty-1 instead of just doing spec reviews today, I should get back on that! | 10:19 |
| mikal | ndipanov: ones I didn't make? Hillarious! | 10:19 |
| ndipanov | mikal, I think these would be very funny then :) | 10:19 |
| mikal | ndipanov: I shall read then! | 10:20 |
| ndipanov | the latter one being more horrible and thus amusing... | 10:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Chung Chih, Hung proposed openstack/nova: Use monotonic.monotonic and stopwatches instead of time.time https://review.openstack.org/194073 | 10:20 |
| kashyap | avishay: Why do you say "i should never have qcows there"? Perf reasons? If so, if you create a disk image with `preallocation=falloc`, it's quite the same as raw. Maybe you already are aware of it. | 10:21 |
| mikal | ndipanov: so, why does this need a spec though? | 10:22 |
| mikal | ndipanov: this looks like internal work which isn't contentious | 10:22 |
| mikal | ndipanov: so shouldn't it just go for trivial approval? | 10:22 |
| ndipanov | which one? | 10:23 |
| ndipanov | mikal, ^ | 10:23 |
| mikal | ndipanov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191226 | 10:23 |
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| mikal | ndipanov: "Introduce lightwieght transactional model for HostState" | 10:23 |
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| ndipanov | mikal, that one yeah - but thought there might be discussion around | 10:23 |
| ndipanov | it | 10:24 |
| ndipanov | the other one has some DB changes | 10:24 |
| mikal | ndipanov: oh, I think the documentation is good. I'm just not sure that we would have required it if you'd said all that stuff to me in person. | 10:24 |
| mikal | ndipanov: either way, I +2'ed it | 10:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: Enable python34 tests for nova/tests/unit/objects/test*.py https://review.openstack.org/187785 | 10:24 |
| ndipanov | thanks | 10:24 |
| ndipanov | the other one is more interesting really | 10:25 |
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| mikal | ndipanov: ok, dansmith wants Jay to comment on the second one, so it might be worth pinging him when he wakes up as well. | 10:25 |
| ndipanov | yeah | 10:26 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Make live migration create a migration object record https://review.openstack.org/183331 | 10:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Timofey Durakov proposed openstack/nova-specs: nova-api hypervisor.cpu_info change from string to json object https://review.openstack.org/183057 | 10:27 |
| avishay_ | kashyap: thanks anyway :) | 10:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: set admin root password https://review.openstack.org/187509 | 10:34 |
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| mikal | danpb: thanks for commenting on that libosinfo review | 10:39 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: not sure if you saw but i addressed the comments posted on https://review.openstack.org/192675. i hope that you and danpb can help get it through prior to the deadline. | 10:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Savage proposed openstack/python-novaclient: Added marker functionality to flavours and images https://review.openstack.org/193212 | 11:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds MigrationOps unit tests https://review.openstack.org/139796 | 11:02 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: hi. I've proposed this blueprint as per your suggestion: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-test-refactor | 11:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds VolumeOps unit tests https://review.openstack.org/139797 | 11:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds HyperVDriver unit tests https://review.openstack.org/148980 | 11:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: removes test_hypervapi tests https://review.openstack.org/139798 | 11:08 |
| mdbooth | Is anybody here aware of a parser for the error output of 'testr list-tests' ? | 11:08 |
| mdbooth | Or at least a description of what it is? | 11:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vineet Menon proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add flavor tables to API database https://review.openstack.org/190147 | 11:14 |
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| snikitin | johnthetubaguy: Hi John, sorry to trouble, but could you please look at my instance tags spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177112/ It has six +1 and you voted +2 some time ago. I added one comment and lost all votes :( It was approved for Juno and Kilo. I just need reapprove to continue my work. I really don't want to move it to the next release.. again | 11:20 |
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| rajesht | hi | 11:28 |
| rajesht | can anyone tell me why migration record is not created during live migrating an instance ? | 11:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rajesht: its a bug, I think dansmith is taking a look at that right now | 11:31 |
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| rajesht | johnthetubaguy: is he working on it ? | 11:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | snikitin: its on my list, just having to do some blueprint things for liberty-1 today I am afraid | 11:31 |
| rajesht | johnthetubaguy: do you have any reference of that bug ? if there is any | 11:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | rajesht: i think so, see robustify-evacuate spec, I think there is something up for review | 11:32 |
| rajesht | johnthetubaguy: thanks :) | 11:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | rajesht: its basically because live-migrate got added in libvirt only, and migrate was used for xenapi, and the live-migrate never reached parity yet :( | 11:33 |
| rajesht | johnthetubaguy: thanks you very much john :) | 11:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | no problem | 11:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: what was the old one called again? | 11:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds MigrationOps unit tests https://review.openstack.org/139796 | 11:36 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds VolumeOps unit tests https://review.openstack.org/139797 | 11:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Adds HyperVDriver unit tests https://review.openstack.org/148980 | 11:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Adelina Tuvenie proposed openstack/nova: Fixes "Hyper-V destroy vm fails on Windows Server 2008R2" https://review.openstack.org/194089 | 11:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I updated the blueprint name and those patches, and removed the -2 | 11:38 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: removes test_hypervapi tests https://review.openstack.org/139798 | 11:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: Enable python34 tests for nova/tests/unit/objects/test*.py https://review.openstack.org/187785 | 11:42 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Make evacuate leave a record for the source compute host to process https://review.openstack.org/183354 | 11:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: this one looks stuck in an odd way: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188112/ | 11:46 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Make readonly field tests use exception from oslo.versionedobjects https://review.openstack.org/188112 | 11:46 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: hi, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147126/, at the summit i was asked to open a BP. i have done that. this is something that is really blocking - the reason is that the neutron plugin in K does not work without this. what do you suggest. | 11:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: it hasn't been submitted for approval / review in the nova meeting, so we can't merge the code yet, all blueprints should be approved before the associated code gets merged, when that doesn't happen, its in error, not because its allowed | 11:47 |
| garyk | when is the next meeting and how can we try and get this approved? | 11:48 |
| garyk | teh code has been in review for over 6 months | 11:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: the next meeting is on Thursday, as normal, please add it to the agenda there, as with any blueprint that doesn't need a spec | 11:50 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: ok, will do | 11:50 |
| garyk | so if bps and specs need to be reviewed by the 23rd this means that the chance of getting this in is highly unlikely | 11:51 |
| garyk | the next meeting is on the 25th | 11:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: deadline is 25th | 11:51 |
| garyk | k - wiki has it written as 23rd | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: ah, so I should update that | 11:52 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: set admin root password https://review.openstack.org/187509 | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: not quite sure what the deadline will mean yet, I have some ideas to try and relax some of this | 11:52 |
| garyk | ok, thanks. now i am not sure about something | 11:54 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add rootwrap-daemon-mode blueprint https://review.openstack.org/105404 | 11:54 |
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| garyk | for the vmware limits is is under bps with no specs but last week I was asked to draft a spec. | 11:54 |
| garyk | i have done that and would hope to maybe get some reviews for this parity feature | 11:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: we should remove that from the agenda I guess | 11:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: just to be clear, there are about 100 specs in review right now | 11:56 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: i understand. but 3 or 4 people cannot review all of this stuff… | 11:56 |
| garyk | that is just impractical and illogical | 11:57 |
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| garyk | how big is the driver team these days? | 11:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: agreed its not working, I suggested the alternative at the summit, and it got voted down, but people have not stepped up to review enough, so I plan to ask the same question again, in the hope there are better ideas, and if not, I will have to try out the original plan | 11:59 |
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| garyk | i understand and i know what you are trying to do. i too hope that there are better ideas. problem is the community is growing and the reviews are dwindling. so we are between a rock and a hard place. | 12:00 |
| frickler | has anyone else seen issues with Virtuozzo Storage CI? Left a failure on https://review.openstack.org/179569 and the link to the logs gives me a 404 | 12:00 |
| garyk | coupled with that we have people actually using this stuff in production and need to make sure that we can deliver a whole working solution. which is becoming practiically impossible - when one is able to get something approved in neutron i K and it will not land in Nova in L. | 12:01 |
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| willemgf | HI, We have 3 controllers on which glance is active. On our compute nodes, in nova.conf those 3 glance servers are configured. We had a situation in which we brought down 2 of these 3 glance-services, and could see that the compute nodes will still make use of those glance-servers that are down, and finally endup with the error "nova.image.glance CommunicationError: Error finding address ...". Is there a mechanism foreseen that nova will | 12:03 |
| willemgf | only use the active glance-nodes? | 12:03 |
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| samueldmq | hi, good morning ! | 12:04 |
| samueldmq | what is the state of microversions on nova ? I saw there was a spec targeted to Kilo | 12:05 |
| samueldmq | I am working on the dynamic policies effort (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DynamicPolicies) driven by keystone | 12:05 |
| samueldmq | and I am interested on how would microversions be represented on the policy files | 12:05 |
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| garyk | samueldmq: i suggest that you speak with sdague or alex_xu_ they are the guys most familiar with this | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Fix virtual hard disk detach https://review.openstack.org/194070 | 12:09 |
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| sdague | samueldmq: so, honestly, I feel like all the policy efforts are stalled right now because we don't have the ability to pull that into code in Nova, which would let us have base policy evolve with microversions | 12:10 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: hi, so .. what did we have two weeks ago and what we have now (at least on keystone side) | 12:11 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: when we had those messages in the ML, we noticed we still needed to organize our spes and have agreement on keystone internally | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: did we get our policy plans drafted yet, I don't remember now, have a feeling there was a review somewhere? | 12:11 |
| samueldmq | sdague: (I am talking about dynamic policies in general) | 12:11 |
| samueldmq | sdague: so now we have this wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DynamicPolicies | 12:12 |
| samueldmq | sdague: that defines the general idea, and presents some sequence diagrams | 12:12 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: we did not, because there was still an impass on the first thing we needed which is seed of truth from nova, and the encoding of base policy in code | 12:12 |
| sdague | samueldmq: so, that seems to continue to ignore those issues | 12:12 |
| samueldmq | now I want to work with you guys to see how microversions would look like in the policy, so that may affect our caching strategy when dynamically fetching, etc | 12:12 |
| samueldmq | sdague: ^ | 12:13 |
| sdague | https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/4/41/Dynamic-policies-install.png | 12:13 |
| sdague | completely hand waves seed of truth discovery | 12:13 |
| samueldmq | sdague: no wait .. the way we initially planned it was : the initial source of truth is the policy.json in nova's repository | 12:14 |
| samueldmq | sdague: that's stored and 'Stock policy for nova' in keystone | 12:14 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, and that's a disaster waiting to happen, so you shouldn't do that | 12:14 |
| samueldmq | sdague: when an admin changes form this defualt, he/she gets warnings | 12:14 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: which was one of your usecases | 12:14 |
| sdague | because you'll be digging out of that for a long time | 12:14 |
| samueldmq | sdague: initial source of truth will be uploaded from services to keystone | 12:15 |
| samueldmq | sdague: for now (at least this cycle) I think CMS uploading that from the existing policy.json files are the right scope | 12:16 |
| sdague | samueldmq: I fundamentally don't | 12:16 |
| sdague | I think that's a dead end | 12:16 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we can decide if we go to implement /policy on services later | 12:16 |
| sdague | that only generates more work | 12:16 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: why? we're not going to unify anymore in this cycle (will discuss that later) | 12:17 |
| sdague | Defining /policy is the step 1 in all of this | 12:17 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I am trying to get teh right use cases so that we can decide the scoep for L | 12:17 |
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| sdague | right, and I think the right scope for L is get /policy as a contract put out there to the services, so that policy can be refreshed, on demand from keystone to the services | 12:18 |
| sdague | so we seem to fundamentally disagree about point 1 | 12:18 |
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| sdague | and without /policy contract, it's not even possible to talk about microversion implications in any sane way | 12:19 |
| samueldmq | sdague: oh, I am expecting that when you upgrade a service (new APIs may appear) | 12:19 |
| samueldmq | sdague: so that CMS would re-upload it to keystone | 12:19 |
| sdague | what is CMS? | 12:20 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we're using CMS to upload/update source of truth on keysotne | 12:20 |
| samueldmq | sdague: Configuration Management System | 12:20 |
| samueldmq | sdague: puppet, et c | 12:20 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, and I think that is the *wrong* architecture | 12:20 |
| sdague | like fundamentally flawed | 12:20 |
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| sdague | and a ton of extra work | 12:20 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I think that fits in the scope for L | 12:21 |
| sdague | that will all be deleted in 2 cycles | 12:21 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we can't implement /policy this cycle :( | 12:21 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, so, I think it's a waste of time. | 12:21 |
| sdague | samueldmq: why not? | 12:21 |
| samueldmq | sdague: what says we cannot implement /policy next cycle ? once we have everything in place ? | 12:21 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, so what I'm saying is there is no reasonable conversation about having anything coherent with nova microversions and policies without /policy | 12:22 |
| sdague | so without that, it's just a giant unmanagable mess | 12:22 |
| sdague | if you would like to make a bigger unmanagable mess this cycle instead of starting on this other piece of work, I guess that's fine | 12:22 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: ok what I need it to really understand microversions, so I will understand what you're saying | 12:22 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I don't have the same background, so not enough arguments to agree/disagree with you now | 12:22 |
| sdague | right, which is my frustration of the keystone folks going off and making a plan without taking into account project needs here | 12:23 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: no, now is the time I am reaching you guys | 12:23 |
| sdague | and why I tried to get ahead of it with the ML thread so we could come up with something that made this all work | 12:23 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we needed to have an internal agreement before | 12:23 |
| samueldmq | sdague: then we agree with you in this iteration | 12:23 |
| sdague | samueldmq: so that seems weird, if what the projects need weren't taken into account in the first iteration | 12:24 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I appreaciate your efforts, and I think you should really keep working with us | 12:24 |
| samueldmq | sdague: there are some fundamental parts, like fetching etc, that won't change | 12:24 |
| sdague | samueldmq: they will fundamentally change | 12:24 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we can fit your requirements starting from that | 12:24 |
| sdague | how will fetching not change? | 12:25 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I mean we will need fetching anyway, we defined the overview structure of the solution | 12:25 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: caching strategy will change depending on microversions, I think | 12:25 |
| samueldmq | sdague: that's why I need to udnerstand more about microversions, and what are your requirements | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: another unapproved BP with code here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-swap-support | 12:26 |
| sdague | samueldmq: so, honestly, I feel like there is nothing productive to be done here before defining the /policy contract. And there is a lot of other Nova work to do. So if we're talking about the /policy contract I'm happy to participate, but the rest of it just has seemed like circular conversations of "we need this" "no you don't" "yes, we really do" | 12:27 |
| samueldmq | sdague: sure, but I need to understand why /policy is fundamental from the start, that's the point | 12:27 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, so I feel like I spent that week trying to explain it to folks, and I'm not thrilled about starting that all over again from scratch. | 12:28 |
| sdague | for background on microversions in general, have you read this yet - https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ ? | 12:29 |
| samueldmq | sdague: is that the fact people may be running on master, and as soon as a new API is added, it would be reflected on keystone side ? | 12:29 |
| sdague | samueldmq: yes | 12:29 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks. | 12:29 |
| samueldmq | sdague: and doing that through a CMS would be very expensive | 12:29 |
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| garyk | honestly i am not sure how importnat that is, but the code has been in review for donkeys years | 12:29 |
| sdague | samueldmq: not that it's expensive, it's error prone | 12:30 |
| samueldmq | sdague: a lot of wasted effort to then implemnet /policy | 12:30 |
| sdague | pip install nova doesn't update /etc/nova/policy.json | 12:30 |
| sdague | we need base policy to be added and exist the second new code is deployed | 12:30 |
| sdague | with sane defaults | 12:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Philip Marc Schwartz proposed openstack/nova: Add flag to force experimental run of db contract https://review.openstack.org/192894 | 12:30 |
| sdague | the policy.json files are config files, operators can change them | 12:31 |
| sdague | and need time to merge their contents | 12:31 |
| samueldmq | sdague: so nova registers itself in keystone once it gets installed/upgraded? | 12:31 |
| sdague | so we need a base in code which starts as sane defaults so as new things deploy the policy is bound to the api, in the same way that database migrations are | 12:31 |
| samueldmq | sdague: via /policy ? | 12:31 |
| sdague | samueldmq: no | 12:31 |
| samueldmq | sdague: how is that triggered ? | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: same with this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/enable-volume-types | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: although that looks like it needs a spec | 12:32 |
| sdague | keystone calls back to nova /policy on some cache timeline, which can be flushed by the admin | 12:32 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/oslo-config-generator was discussed on Thu meeting there was no opposition (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-06-18-20.59.log.html#l-228) | 12:32 |
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| sdague | but /policy is as much about coupling policy to api as db migrations are | 12:32 |
| sdague | we need the base out of config files, like yesterday | 12:33 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I got your use case, just trying to see the sequence in there | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: cool, that should have been approved then, I will read though that and make sure the paperwork was all done properly | 12:33 |
| samueldmq | sdague: hmm.. so keystone asks endpoints for their /policy, to update them | 12:33 |
| dims | Thanks johnthetubaguy | 12:33 |
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| sdague | samueldmq: right, keystone pulls from the endpoints directly | 12:34 |
| sdague | which is the way components are supposed to interact, over REST apis | 12:34 |
| samueldmq | sdague: ok .. makes sense. besides that, another disagreement point from what is in there ? | 12:34 |
| sdague | not over random config files being shuffled around | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: thanks for the ping, that should be cleared up now I think | 12:36 |
| dims | nice, appreciate it johnthetubaguy | 12:36 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: that one has a spec proposed. let me try and dig that up | 12:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: it probably needs the blueprint xyz tag in the commit | 12:36 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/ | 12:37 |
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| sdague | samueldmq: https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/f/f4/Dynamic-policies-enforce.png - I really don't think we should be using a file cache for the fetched policies, there is no reason for disk persistence, it can all be in memory, and less likely to get corrupted | 12:38 |
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| sdague | I also think the whole override calculation is going to be impacted by base starting in code | 12:38 |
| sdague | which is why, /policy should be the work for this cycle | 12:38 |
| andrearosa | ndipanov: johnthetubaguy: I have an idea for 84048 | 12:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: so I see that spec as make the best of a bad situation, that interface needs a lot more thought, but we also need to unblock our users at some point, just seems like a way forward, but I might be missing something | 12:38 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: this si the spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187812/ | 12:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: interested | 12:38 |
| andrearosa | probably we do not need a spec if we consider that a bug. | 12:38 |
| sdague | in my opinion | 12:38 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I agree with you, and what's there is not the final solution | 12:39 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I designed that to be reached this cycle, so we still writes in the fiels, so things keep working as today | 12:39 |
| andrearosa | I am going to comment on the spec with an alternative solution | 12:39 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, sure... let's go with just crappy instead of insanely crappy | 12:39 |
| ndipanov | by all means | 12:39 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we plan to get ride of files, and middleware pass the retrieved policy to the service somehow | 12:39 |
| andrearosa | I am just busy on a different task but I will comment in the the next few hours | 12:39 |
| ndipanov | it's just sad that there is no way to get to not-crappy that I can think of :( | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: looks like its not considered in scope for nova at this point | 12:40 |
| andrearosa | ndipanov: just saw your message, probably there is a lightn at the end of the tunnel :) | 12:40 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we need ot keep Defautl policy (source of trught) + Custom policy (what admin changes) separate, and then do the overrid | 12:40 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: otherwise we would loose custom changes once the Default policy is upgraded | 12:41 |
| samueldmq | sdague: makes sense? | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: well, maybe not consensus, but there are some issues that need resolving in the spec at least | 12:41 |
| garyk | ok, understood | 12:42 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right, so what I'm saying is this is rushing to get the surface in keystone without getting the plumbing right | 12:43 |
| sdague | which means that now you'll have to deprecate all the plumbing, and it will take twice as long to get to a final end state | 12:43 |
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| sdague | and if instead in liberty the plumbing was done. The oslo.policy changes to support code + config overrides. Easy infrastructure to make a /policy to make that discoverable. | 12:44 |
| samueldmq | sdague: k so we've a kind of agreement on the general steps, and basically if we had /policy + warnings on changing from default, we'd be good | 12:44 |
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| sdague | You'd set up all the infrastructure in the projects so that the surface bits could be done well in the next cycle for keystone | 12:44 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: sure, I understand your points | 12:47 |
| samueldmq | sdague: what do you think about a meeting specific for this dynamic policy stuff ? | 12:48 |
| samueldmq | sdague: also, we could talk about it in the keystone meeting tomorrow, if you're ok with it | 12:48 |
| sdague | samueldmq: when is the keystone meeting? | 12:48 |
| samueldmq | sdague: 18 UTC | 12:48 |
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| sdague | that probably works | 12:49 |
| sdague | but, if I have to explain everything from scratch again, I might rage quit :) | 12:49 |
| samueldmq | sdague: nice, it is the one just before infra meeting | 12:49 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I am not sure all the people there are synchronized with this policy stuff | 12:50 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I will try to get a background understanding as better as I can | 12:50 |
| rod | hi | 12:50 |
| samueldmq | sdague: I've needed to explaing those dynamic policies from the start over and over for different people | 12:50 |
| sdague | right, and that's my frustration, I tried to do this on the mailing list, so we could all be on the same page. Then that devolved, then keystone made decisions separate from that, not on the ML, which means it was hidden in a corner | 12:50 |
| rod | I got a problem when I try to reach nova vnc console througn reverse proxy | 12:50 |
| sdague | samueldmq: right we should stop that. Do this on the ML so we aren't having a million point conversations | 12:51 |
| samueldmq | sdague: no please don't seee this like that | 12:51 |
| rod | the path variable from vnc_auto.html is undefined | 12:51 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we didn't make decisions | 12:51 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we just have a first proposal | 12:51 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: i am following up with zhangi on the spec | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: OK, thank you | 12:51 |
| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: Do you think I need a spec for bp libvirt-log-file-and-serial-console ? In the review you mentioned it should be discussed in the next meeting. | 12:51 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we're very open to listen to you, and implement your requirements as well | 12:51 |
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| sdague | samueldmq: ok, good to hear. That was not my take away from that ML thread | 12:52 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we just needed some organization internally, even the specs were a mess | 12:52 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: I am working hard on organizing these dynamic policy efforts | 12:52 |
| samueldmq | sdague: so yes, we're open, morganfainberg is as well, listening to you guys and taking into account your requirements in on the plan all the time | 12:53 |
| sdague | ok, so I would suggest that primary communication platform for that is the mailing list, where it will reach multiple teams. Because this is a cross project effort | 12:53 |
| samueldmq | sdague: sure! and a cross-project meeting for that, besides the ML, would help a lot IMO | 12:53 |
| samueldmq | sdague: we can try to arrange that in another ML threadh | 12:54 |
| sdague | honestly, meetings don't help that much, because only a small number of people are in them | 12:54 |
| sdague | and they exclude at least half our community by TZS | 12:54 |
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| samueldmq | sdague: we keep using the ML, but I think we need a sync point to make decisions , etc | 12:55 |
| samueldmq | sdague: let's start with the ML, and keystone meeting tomorrow | 12:55 |
| samueldmq | sdague: sounds good ? I will add a point in the agenda | 12:55 |
| sdague | sure, lets see what happens after the keystone meeting tomorroe | 12:55 |
| sdague | great | 12:55 |
| samueldmq | sdague: thanks for hearing :) see you tomorrow o/ | 12:56 |
| haypo | hi. i proposed a patch to make the py34 check job voting for nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194128/ | 12:56 |
| haypo | a voting check job will avoid python3 regressions | 12:56 |
| sdague | yep, looking forward to it | 12:57 |
| sdague | haypo: what's the current pass rate on that job? | 12:58 |
| garyk | i have never seen so many -2's | 12:58 |
| haypo | i just checked the py34 gate on 3 issues, i didn't see a failure. i hope that all issues with this gate have been fixed | 12:58 |
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| haypo | sdague: sorry, i don't know how to get this information, except of checking random patches to see the CI result | 12:59 |
| sdague | haypo: no, I mean the statistical fails. Like what the pass rate over the last week | 12:59 |
| sdague | use logstash.openstack.org or graphite.openstack.org | 12:59 |
| sdague | that's kind of important in proposing new jos | 12:59 |
| sdague | jobs | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Gacsal proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add REST API impact to the multi-attach spec https://review.openstack.org/192755 | 12:59 |
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| garyk | dims: please see my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187785/ | 13:02 |
| lpetrut | johnthetubaguy: Hi | 13:02 |
| garyk | i am not sure why you are not using six.iteritems ... | 13:02 |
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| lpetrut | johnthetubaguy: could you please take a look over this BP? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-assisted-volume-snapshot | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lpetrut: sorry, snowed under, probably best to just add that to the agenda for the next nova meeting please? | 13:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Gacsal proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add REST API impact to the multi-attach spec https://review.openstack.org/192755 | 13:07 |
| dims | garyk: thanks, replied | 13:08 |
| haypo | sdague: in graphite, i saw 3 failures in the last week. i don't know how to get the url of my graphic :-p | 13:08 |
| sdague | haypo: ok | 13:08 |
| haypo | sdague: the number of success is ... it's hard to estimate, it varies a lot during a day. it's around 10 checks per day | 13:08 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: introduce GuestBlock to wrap around Block API https://review.openstack.org/190210 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update swap volume to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/190211 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: return whether a domain is persistent https://review.openstack.org/190962 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make unit tests concise by setup guest object https://review.openstack.org/190963 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: introduce method to wait for block device job https://review.openstack.org/190214 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update live snapshot to use Guest object https://review.openstack.org/190212 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: update volume delete snapshot to use Guest https://review.openstack.org/190213 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make host return guest information https://review.openstack.org/191046 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: make host return power state of guest https://review.openstack.org/191047 | 13:09 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: rename GuestVCPUInfo to VCPUInfo https://review.openstack.org/194133 | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V Shielded VMs spec https://review.openstack.org/192892 | 13:11 |
| haypo | sdague: do you need more stats on the py34 check? | 13:13 |
| sdague | haypo: no, that seems reasonable, as long as you will be looking at failures | 13:13 |
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| garyk | dims: thanks! | 13:13 |
| haypo | sdague: i don't know how to find these failures. any clue? | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Fix virtual hard disk detach https://review.openstack.org/194070 | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add spec to enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support regex https://review.openstack.org/179577 | 13:15 |
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| sdague | haypo: http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html these are all the uncategorized failures, that's a good starting point | 13:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: enhance method to return pointer_model from image prop https://review.openstack.org/174854 | 13:16 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: deprecate use_usb_tablet in favor of pointer_model https://review.openstack.org/176242 | 13:16 |
| lpetrut | johnthetubaguy: sure, no problem | 13:17 |
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| haypo | sdague: i cannot find gate-nova-python34 at http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 13:18 |
| sdague | haypo: so that means it doesn't have an unknown kind of failure | 13:19 |
| samueldmq | sdague: sure, thanks! | 13:19 |
| samueldmq | sdague: oh I was stopped in an old message :-) | 13:20 |
| sdague | :) | 13:20 |
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| sahid | btw jaypipes thank you for all of the reviews you did with the work on libvirt | 13:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/nova: Hyper-V: Implement nova rescue https://review.openstack.org/127159 | 13:24 |
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| haypo | sdague: i'm now looking for >project:"openstack/nova" AND build_status:"FAILURE" AND build_name:"gate-nova-python34" AND NOT build_change:"187785"< at http://logstash.openstack.org/ and i see much more failures! | 13:26 |
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| haypo | sdague: i checked a few of them, but none are related to tox or py34. ex: "[PostBuildScript] - [Error] - Problems occurs: java.lang.InterruptedException" while uploading results to swift | 13:26 |
| mriedem1 | haypo: the py34 job doesn't run in the gate queue | 13:28 |
| mriedem1 | the uncategorized bugs page is only for gate queue jobs | 13:28 |
| haypo | mriedem1: yes, that's a deliberate choice | 13:28 |
| mriedem1 | haypo: right, so you'd just have to search for failures on that job in logstash | 13:28 |
| haypo | mriedem1: oh :) so http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html is not very useful :) | 13:28 |
| sdague | haypo: so the following is needed to get only 1 hit per job - project:"openstack/nova" AND build_status:"FAILURE" AND build_name:"gate-nova-python34" AND NOT build_change:"187785" AND message:"Finished: FAILURE" | 13:28 |
| mriedem1 | haypo: right | 13:29 |
| sdague | 7 hits this week | 13:29 |
| jaypipes | sahid: no probs. will do another round of reviews this morning. saw you pushed a bunch of new revisions... | 13:29 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: heya | 13:29 |
| sahid | yep | 13:29 |
| * bauzas just hits someone when he sees him | 13:29 | |
| jaypipes | bauzas: hey. want to chat about your select destination host bp? | 13:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: oh, you are able to look at my mind :) | 13:30 |
| sahid | then will probably push a etherpad or something like that with a TODO list of what we have to achieve | 13:30 |
| bauzas | I mean, within my mind :) | 13:30 |
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| jaypipes | sahid: sounds good. | 13:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so, yeah, it seems we need to sync | 13:30 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: hangout? | 13:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: before discussing, I replied on 9.30am | 13:31 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yeah, I read that already :) | 13:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so by rewiewing my last comment, it sounded harsh | 13:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: apologies if you thought about that, it was not my view | 13:31 |
| jaypipes | heh, nah, no worries :) | 13:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so, sure we can hangout | 13:31 |
| bauzas | now ? | 13:31 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: gimme 15 to caffeine myself. | 13:32 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: sure thing, me too | 13:32 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: ping me when you're done then :) | 13:34 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: dansmith: Hi! Could you please take a quick look at this short BP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193510/1 ? | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: I am sorry, there are 100 in the queue right now, and I am busy with release management stuff today I am afraid | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | its on my queue though, just will not be straight way I am afraid | 13:37 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: any chance before the deadline? | 13:37 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: then, is there anyone else who can approve specs for L? :) | 13:37 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: all your comments are fixed including splitting the BP, so it prolly does not require a long time to check it | 13:38 |
| haypo | sdague: ok. i read the log of the 7 failures. 4 of them are unrelated to python at all, 3 are real bugs are come from a single change: 144875 which introduces real new python 3 bugs | 13:38 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: would be nice to have a table with reviewers and the queue size, so I wouldn't annoy you by default :) | 13:39 |
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| haypo | sdague: for me, it's a good reason to make the job voting :) to ensure that such huge refactoring change breaking python 3 bugs doesn't go into nova ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144875/ | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: map one nova-compute to one VC cluster https://review.openstack.org/103916 | 13:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: seems like russell's side is not working right now, I have this old version: http://5885fef486164bb8596d-41634d3e64ee11f37e8658ed1b4d12ec.r44.cf3.rackcdn.com/nova-specs-openreviews.html | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: this is the regular one: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-specs-openreviews.html | 13:42 |
| bauzas | russellb: ^ see above, sounds like your VM is saying bye bye | 13:43 |
| sdague | haypo: that's fine, I +2ed the patch | 13:44 |
| haypo | sdague: cool! python3 is alive! be careful | 13:44 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: thanks, I guess I should practice praying more... | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: submitting early is the best way, although understood thats not always possible | 13:45 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Add context manager for RequestContext to switch db connection https://review.openstack.org/161906 | 13:47 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: it is up for review for a while, but if we consider review comments it's a question how early it has to be in order to get a chance | 13:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Levine proposed openstack/nova-specs: user_data modification https://review.openstack.org/191791 | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: it was uploaded on June 19, the deadline is June 25, thats really really close to the deadline, our average turn around time for specs is probably near a month right now, sadly | 13:48 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: it's the original one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183033/ | 13:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: map one nova-compute to one VC cluster https://review.openstack.org/103916 | 13:49 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: we had to split to follow the upgrade path and the first half of the blueprint is captured in the first patch, so it's just the original changeID in the second part of the proposal | 13:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: ah, gotcha, yep, its getting about the same review as most right now, I have some ideas to improve this, but there were rejected last time I tried to change things, but will try a slightly different version of that soon | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Levine proposed openstack/nova-specs: delete_on_termination modification spec https://review.openstack.org/194144 | 13:51 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: different version for the BP you mean? | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: I mean for the spec review process | 13:52 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: a-ha, ok, got it | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexandre Levine proposed openstack/nova-specs: delete_on_termination modification spec https://review.openstack.org/194144 | 13:52 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: BTW there is another BP that was blocked initially but it seems that the blocker activity still hasn't been started: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182350/ | 13:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: its on a list of "blocked" specs I need to resolve, and decide what we are doing, we really want to see notifications tidied up this release, so we could unblock all these really good requests, but that just isn't moving forward right now I am afraid :( | 13:57 |
| mriedem1 | notifications tidied up? like standardized? | 13:59 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: we will might be able to join that activity, but it's something that I need to clarify on our side regarding bandwidth | 13:59 |
| mriedem1 | i guess we did talk about that at the summit but i don't remember concrete things coming out of it | 13:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware driver: Increasing speed of downloading image https://review.openstack.org/135625 | 14:00 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I agree that it would be very important to happen, although if it will not in this cycle, then it would mean a very long delay for this relatively small fetaure/improvement | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: agreed | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | mriedem1: yeah, there wasn't a definite plan on that. More like a general consensus that the format of a notification is an API, and should be versioned. | 14:03 |
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| rgerganov__ | claudiub: please remove your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135625 | 14:03 |
| rgerganov__ | claudiub: there is no longer string freeze | 14:03 |
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| mriedem1 | edleafe: yeah, which has been what we've been saying for 2+ years :) | 14:04 |
| mriedem1 | and there was talk of emitting a notification for log messages or something, i got lost there | 14:04 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: can you suggest a way forward with these two bps? I hope we can get closer to some win-win situation | 14:04 |
| mriedem1 | or intentionally blocked it from memory | 14:04 |
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| haypo | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187785/20/nova/objects/instance.py i don't understand why you prefer to replace list(filter(...)) with a list comprehension in a different patch set | 14:04 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: probably the latter :) | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: ok, man, ready to hangout. | 14:05 |
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| haypo | dims: as you wrote, your patch creates a new copy of the list, which would be avoided by using a list comprehension | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: fair, lemme know the URL | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g6t5hrjbmcd4oo5z4sw3uqrzzia?hl=en | 14:05 |
| haypo | dims: i'm not sure that anyone will write the "second patch" to cleanup your changes | 14:05 |
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| lxsli | haypo: changing it in the same patchset is dangerously close to cleaning up code in a patch intended to only enable py34 tests | 14:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: okay, gimme 30s and I'm in | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yup, no worries. | 14:07 |
| lxsli | haypo: I'm with dims, safer to split that out. There's nothing stopping you putting it up as a dependent patch right now though | 14:07 |
| haypo | lxsli: replacing filter() with a list-comprehension is not a complete rewrite, IMHO it's a simple and obvious change. if there is a regression, it should be easier to catch it during the review | 14:07 |
| lxsli | haypo: it's nothing to do with python34 though, it's a performance/style tweak which has no place in that review | 14:08 |
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| haypo | lxsli: dims' change makes py2 "slower", my remark is about python 2 | 14:08 |
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| haypo | but i don't have a strong opinion on having a second change | 14:09 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: Hi. Just a quick heads up if you could take a look on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192755/ ? | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova-specs: Improve reporting when Scheduler cannot find a host https://review.openstack.org/187739 | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | ildikov: yup, it's in the queue. :) | 14:10 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: cool, thanks :) | 14:10 |
| mriedem1 | this has a +2 from mikal before I added some more logging to it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192348/ <- should help debug a long standing race bug in the gate | 14:11 |
| ildikov | jaypipes: let me know if you wouldn't have enough there ;) | 14:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova-specs: Libvirt real time instances https://review.openstack.org/139688 | 14:14 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: Just one more question. Could the blueprint freeze excpetion work for any of those two BPs? | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: unsure exactly how that will look right now | 14:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Support host type specific block volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/194163 | 14:30 |
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| sahid | mikal: just ping about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187509/ i have prefered to address your comments. thanks | 14:34 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: ok | 14:36 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: well, it would be good to start at least the on-shared storgae flag one in Liberty, as it requires two cycles to get the full job done | 14:37 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: I understand that the other one is not that good from the notification work PoV | 14:38 |
| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: who should I ping regarding to the notification tidy up work to see where we are? | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: agreed thats a good argument for an exception, the needing two releases thing | 14:38 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: ok, cool, tnx | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ildikov: unsure, it should be on here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 14:39 |
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| ildikov | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks for the pointer | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Consolidate the APIs for getting consoles https://review.openstack.org/148509 | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/nova-specs: No more soft delete https://review.openstack.org/184645 | 14:45 |
| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add in missing unit test for get_by_uuid https://review.openstack.org/193939 | 14:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: [WIP] Kicking the oslo.service tires https://review.openstack.org/192900 | 14:48 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: hi. Very short question. Does this require a spec? It's more of a parity thing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vnuma-enable | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova-specs: Proposes to check destination on migrations https://review.openstack.org/179224 | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add instance cell registration utility to nova-manage https://review.openstack.org/193889 | 15:02 |
| garyk | alaski: ^ | 15:02 |
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| garyk | i am thinking that maybe we can do it per host. what do you suggest for the filters? | 15:02 |
| danpb | garyk: what kind of VIF types can be used with vmware ? | 15:03 |
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| danpb | neutron has a whole load of possible VIF types, but i don't see specific handling for any in vmware | 15:04 |
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| danpb | so i'm guessing you have some assumptions about which neutron mechanism is configured ? | 15:04 |
| garyk | danpb: correct | 15:04 |
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| alaski | garyk: we want all of the instances. we might want to limit the number done at once, but I don't think we need to filter | 15:06 |
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| alaski | garyk: per host could be an optional way to limit as well | 15:07 |
| danpb | garyk: so what config does vmware expect ? | 15:07 |
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| garyk | alaski: ok, undertood | 15:07 |
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| garyk | danpb: when we are using neutron we expect taht the vif type is 'dvs' | 15:07 |
| garyk | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/model.py#L34 | 15:07 |
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| garyk | danpb: in the next generationplugin this will be OVS | 15:08 |
| garyk | 'ovs' | 15:08 |
| garyk | that is, 'ovs' and 'dvs' | 15:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Xinyuan Huang proposed openstack/nova: Pass requested_networks to scheduler https://review.openstack.org/193635 | 15:08 |
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| garyk | danpb: is that what you were asking | 15:08 |
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| garyk | alaski: tomorrow i'll add in the limit. | 15:10 |
| alaski | garyk: great, thanks | 15:10 |
| danpb | garyk: ah ok, i see what you mean | 15:11 |
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| garyk | danpb: in the virt driver we need to connect to the dvs network. this can be a number of different types which we treat in the driver - for example opaque - https://review.openstack.org/165750 | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed openstack/nova: Cells: add in missing unit test for get_by_uuid https://review.openstack.org/193939 | 15:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Support host type specific block volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/194163 | 15:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/nova-specs: Nova API Microversions support in NovaClient https://review.openstack.org/188410 | 15:30 |
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| garyk | sdague: why is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194192/ reverted? | 15:35 |
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| markus_z | I get a ValueError when I run "tox -e docs" in nova-specs. It's complaining about the "redirects". Do I do something wrong? | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Claudiu Belu proposed openstack/nova-specs: Adds Hyper-V Shielded VMs spec https://review.openstack.org/192892 | 15:36 |
| bauzas | markus_z: try 'tox -r -edocs' to rebuild your venv | 15:37 |
| claudiub | danpb: hi. I've addressed your comments on the Hyper-V uefi secure boot spec. If you have a little bit of time, could you take a look? :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190997/ | 15:37 |
| jroll | jaypipes: devananda: let's chat about ironic "ha"/scheduling/resource tracker things today so we can get a spec in. I'm free all day, how about y'all? | 15:37 |
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| jaypipes | jroll: I'm free in about an hour | 15:38 |
| devananda | i have a call in 20 minutes, free after that | 15:38 |
| jroll | I'm also free beginning at 1700 utc | 15:38 |
| jroll | which is 80 minutes from now | 15:38 |
| jroll | plan on that? | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: probably doesn't need a spec, assuming its using the same settings as libvirt, and they get added into that BP, but it would need to get approved in a nova meeting, by first adding it on the agenda https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-vnuma-enable | 15:39 |
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| markus_z | bauzas: I tried this, the result keeps being the same. | 15:39 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: claudiub actually i think it probably does need a spec | 15:40 |
| danpb | because that blueprint only talks about exposing NUMA topology to the guest | 15:40 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: jroll: devananda: will lurk at your convo, since I have a meeting conflict | 15:40 |
| danpb | in nova that's only half of how numa is setup - there's all the integration in the schedular | 15:41 |
| jaypipes | jroll: sure, works for me. | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | markus_z: probably a dependency issue then ? | 15:41 |
| danpb | and I think we need to understand how that will be dealt with by hyperv driver from scheduling pov | 15:41 |
| jroll | bauzas: cool. the main thing is (host, node) -> (host) and also how to do failure domain things instead of one nova-compute process :) | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | jroll: yeah I know | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | jroll: I mean, I know your usecase | 15:42 |
| jroll | bauzas: ok :) | 15:42 |
| markus_z | bauzas: Looks like an issue in the "redirect.py". I'll debug it. Thanks for your help! | 15:42 |
| claudiub | danpb: johnthetubaguy: I see. Will try to spec it, as soon as I can. Thanks for the info! | 15:42 |
| bauzas | jroll: tbc, I would prefer a (host, node) -> (node) translation, but I'm yakshaving :) | 15:43 |
| jroll | bauzas: hah. I just want to be inline with whatever the rest of nova is doing. | 15:43 |
| danpb | claudiub: basically the fun bit is all about the scheduling picking the right hosts to deploy the guest on based on numa availabiity | 15:44 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: jroll: just say my name before the meeting is starting so I can get the logs | 15:44 |
| danpb | maybe it'll be easy and everything we did for the schedular for libvirt will "just work" with hyperv | 15:44 |
| jroll | bauzas: can do :) | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem_afk: I think there are some -2s that can go now: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/consolidate-libvirt-fs-volume-drivers,n,z | 15:45 |
| devananda | bauzas: fwiw, I would also prefer (host, node) -> (node) -- BUT the nova folks convinced me that that's not going to work for most other use cases at the summit | 15:45 |
| devananda | bauzas: don't ask me to remember why that is, though :) | 15:45 |
| devananda | bauzas: we've come up with a solution for Ironic that should work with just (host), I think. so I'm good with that now | 15:46 |
| bauzas | devananda: honestly, I just want to make sure that we're finding a good way to help you, that's it | 15:46 |
| bauzas | devananda: I see the 'host' reason, that's because on how we identify the related running services | 15:47 |
| devananda | bauzas: "failure domains" | 15:47 |
| bauzas | devananda: yeah, the service is indeed the failure domain | 15:47 |
| devananda | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193263/ | 15:47 |
| devananda | some light reading before we chat | 15:48 |
| bauzas | devananda: I won't be able to make the call because of $family but I will read the spec and see the irc logs | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: yeah, we send a cast to the host once the scheduler has picked the host, we also send along the node to that host, or something like that, I think | 15:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (i.e. host gives you the RPC queue to send the message to for the nova-compute to get it) | 15:49 |
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| sdague | garyk: because it's masking a real failure | 15:50 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: correct https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conductor/manager.py#L714 | 15:50 |
| sdague | it's not going to pass | 15:50 |
| sdague | because it's masking a failure | 15:50 |
| sdague | but need the results up there for people to look at it | 15:51 |
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| sdague | garyk: also, see the last hour of conversation in #openstack-qa | 15:51 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193576/ dansmith thought you might want to chime in on this one... (not sure if I bothered you about it yet) | 15:52 |
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| jaypipes | ndipanov: pushed into my queue. | 15:53 |
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| ndipanov | jaypipes, couldn't ask for more :) | 15:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add a Distinct Exception for Exceeding Max Retries https://review.openstack.org/194204 | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Support host type specific block volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/194163 | 15:58 |
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| jaypipes | jroll: actually, can we push it back another hour? say, 2pm EST? | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/nova: Cells: cell scheduler anti-affinity filter https://review.openstack.org/192875 | 16:00 |
| jroll | jaypipes: fine with me. devananda ? | 16:00 |
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| devananda | jroll, jaypipes: nope. I have another meeting at 11am PST | 16:01 |
| garyk | sdague: tx | 16:02 |
| jaypipes | devananda: can yuo do 1:30pm EST? | 16:02 |
| jroll | devananda: jaypipes I have a thing at 2:30-3pm PST, other than that completely free, you two pick whatever works :) | 16:02 |
| devananda | jaypipes: I'm free from 12:30 to 2 EST, and 3 EST onwards | 16:02 |
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| jaypipes | jroll, devananda: ok, how about 3pm EST | 16:03 |
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| jroll | +1 | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Walter A. Boring IV (hemna) proposed openstack/nova: Switch to using os-brick https://review.openstack.org/175569 | 16:03 |
| devananda | works for me | 16:03 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: hi | 16:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | moshele: hi | 16:05 |
| jaypipes | devananda, jroll: k. 3pm EST it is. | 16:05 |
| jroll | jaypipes: thanks | 16:06 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: regarding new vif type is it all waiting for vif refactoring? | 16:06 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: I am asking regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187052/ | 16:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | moshele: unsure, if we had a good plan for the VIF, its likely we would give it priority at this point, as the current situation doesn't work, afraid I don't have an answer for you right now | 16:07 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: also regarding NFV specs in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 16:08 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy: is there still a concern regarding testing | 16:09 |
| moshele | johnthetubaguy: for example with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179577/ | 16:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | moshele: afraid I am snowed under with liberty-1 release paper work right now, so I will have to look into this later | 16:10 |
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| moshele | johnthetubaguy:ok thanks | 16:11 |
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| ndipanov | sahid, got a sec or are you off? | 16:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add virt-driver CPU thread pinning https://review.openstack.org/194221 | 16:15 |
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| sahid | ndipanov: i'm here | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: use "serial console" and "log file" in parallel https://review.openstack.org/194222 | 16:22 |
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| ndipanov | sahid, so with regards to that serial console thing | 16:24 |
| ndipanov | basically what you want is to implement the auto port thing libvirt has for VNC. but in Nova | 16:24 |
| ndipanov | for serial console | 16:25 |
| sahid | ndipanov: i do not know what is the auto port thing | 16:25 |
| ndipanov | hmmm maybe it's not it | 16:25 |
| sahid | from what i know we do not have a way to know when a port is connected | 16:26 |
| sahid | so we have a guest we a range of port listening | 16:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Stefan Amann proposed openstack/nova-specs: Support host type specific block volume attachment https://review.openstack.org/194163 | 16:27 |
| ndipanov | how come libvirt will allow you a multiple number of vnc connections to the same instance?? | 16:27 |
| sahid | and when a console is connected to one of them we do not have his information | 16:27 |
| ndipanov | that is what I assume drove the requirement to have "more than one" serial console when the original BP was being drafted | 16:27 |
| ndipanov | right | 16:28 |
| ndipanov | so that's why I'm saying - push this to the user | 16:28 |
| sahid | you mean the user will pass the port number? | 16:29 |
| ndipanov | because even if you keep that stuff in the DB - you don't know when the user disconnects | 16:29 |
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| ndipanov | so we want to stick a bunch of functionality into nova, only to half implement something we can't really fix | 16:29 |
| ndipanov | that's basically my problem with that spec in it's current form | 16:30 |
| ndipanov | well no - user says - get me a serial console | 16:30 |
| ndipanov | and Nova returns instead of one like now | 16:30 |
| ndipanov | all of them | 16:30 |
| ndipanov | and validates all of them | 16:30 |
| ndipanov | so if your instance was booted with 3 serial consoles | 16:31 |
| ndipanov | all 3 get returned and validated (get a token) | 16:31 |
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| ndipanov | so then it's up to the user / application to decide how to deal with that | 16:31 |
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| sahid | ndipanov: really ?? | 16:31 |
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| sahid | ndipanov: the default range is 10000-20000 | 16:32 |
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| ndipanov | well yes | 16:33 |
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| sahid | ndipanov: then we can know when user is disconnected | 16:33 |
| ndipanov | but if you ask for an instance to have 3 serial consoles, only 3 ports will be allocated | 16:33 |
| sahid | actually the proxy know that | 16:33 |
| sahid | knows knews... | 16:33 |
| sahid | that why is good to have this information in database | 16:33 |
| ndipanov | no but we don't care | 16:34 |
| sahid | service can shares the data | 16:34 |
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| ndipanov | so the end goal is to replicate the functionality libvirt allows with vnc consoles? | 16:36 |
| ndipanov | that's a whole different story than just objects | 16:36 |
| ndipanov | I mean that spec is just way too braod | 16:36 |
| sahid | the websocket provides some mechanisms, it will update the connect_info to explicitly says that this port NNNN is connected | 16:36 |
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| sahid | then when new serial request will be done the driver will pass port already connected | 16:37 |
| ndipanov | broad* | 16:37 |
| sahid | ndipanov: no, that speac give to us more | 16:37 |
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| sahid | memcached is no a database | 16:37 |
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| sahid | then we will have a code more robust if we use the framework object | 16:38 |
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| ndipanov | sahid, ok let me think about it some more | 16:43 |
| ndipanov | but at least we should be clear about what we are doing | 16:43 |
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| sahid | ndipanov: sure :) | 16:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Make the guest console configurable https://review.openstack.org/122523 | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: alaski: a priority spec the API sub team seem to have mostly +1ed now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/17/specs/liberty/approved/api-relax-validation.rst,cm | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Use utf8_bin collation on the flavor extra-specs table in MySQL https://review.openstack.org/190300 | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: imagebackend: Split out resize_image logic from create_image https://review.openstack.org/187857 | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Fix/implement revert-resize for RBD-backed images https://review.openstack.org/187395 | 16:51 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: okay, will look shortly | 16:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova: Convert RT compute_node to be a ComputeNode object https://review.openstack.org/160942 | 16:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: I am curious about if this is complete now? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/convert-image-meta-into-nova-object | 16:58 |
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| vilobhmm | johnthetubaguy : ping | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | vilobhmm: hi | 17:06 |
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| vilobhmm | thanks for merging the servicegroup spec….although i have a WIP for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138607/ ready…..if you can provide your inputs on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/ it would be great…(since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/ is a dependancy for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138607/ | 17:08 |
| vilobhmm | johnthetubaguy : let me give you a summary as in where are we now with respect to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190322/ | 17:09 |
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| vilobhmm | johnthetubaguy : melwitt, harlowja, me and few others are discussing whether #1. to keep the services information and service liveliness information both in same datastore or #2. Keep services information in one datastore and service liveliness in another (which will be governed by CONF.servicegroup_driver) …so need your opinion regarding that…once the path is clear putting up the implementation should be starightforward for me. | 17:11 |
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| bauzas | vilobhmm: to be clear, it should be opiniated by operators | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | vilobhmm: so I am not sure the best approach, I don't like the idea of syncing with the DB, but it depends a lot about what works I guess | 17:17 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: I mean, we should leave the possibility for both either two distinct datastores or only one, IMHO | 17:17 |
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| bauzas | vilobhmm: the key thing is, just make sure that if 2 datastores, then we have a trivial way to key btw/ them | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | vilobhmm: my gut tells me store it all in the same place, to avoid the sync issue, no idea if thats practical though | 17:18 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: in other terms, denormalization is okay, provided we have a single key | 17:18 |
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| vilobhmm | johnthetubaguy : +1 I am also of the same thought | 17:18 |
| vilobhmm | one data store | 17:19 |
| vilobhmm | no more syncronization issues | 17:19 |
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| bauzas | vilobhmm: on that point, I'm not really +1 with that | 17:19 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: because the services table is not only in use for the SG API, but we have various places where it's needed | 17:19 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: so, given only one datastore, what happens if that datastore is ZK while the rest of Nova is MySQL DB'd ? | 17:20 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: you'll still need a way to unique key | 17:20 |
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| bauzas | vilobhmm: so, my take is to say that should be a configuration detail, but we should care at the application level how to key against that for the rest of Nova | 17:21 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: I'll reply to your spec as soon as I drop from $family_time | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Use utf8_bin collation on the flavor extra-specs table in MySQL https://review.openstack.org/190300 | 17:22 |
| vilobhmm | bauzas : if you can point me to places its used other than checking service liveliness or getting service information details….earlier it was direct db call now its through service objects thats it | 17:22 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: for example, we have a strong dependency on the compute/service relationship | 17:23 |
| vilobhmm | bauzas : since the spec says that everything *seecific to services* goes through servicegroup API layer…the servicegroup API layer will be aware of the underlying datastore | 17:23 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: that, I agree | 17:23 |
| bauzas | vilobhmm: I'm just saying you'll still need a application layer sync anyway IMO | 17:24 |
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| vilobhmm | bauzas : I would love to hear the use-case and in what case the application layer sync will be needed ? | 17:24 |
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| vilobhmm | bauzas : thanks if you can review the spec it will be great…won't take anymore of your family time …will wait for your review | 17:25 |
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| mriedem_afk | johnthetubaguy: those are my -2s on my series :) | 17:27 |
| mriedem_afk | johnthetubaguy: b/c they potentially conflict with hemna's os-brick patch | 17:27 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: ping. re: this server instance tagging blueprint... | 17:28 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: if this misses Liberty, this will be the 4th (!) release this blueprint has been trying for. :( | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: at this point, what exactly is wrong with the spec? | 17:28 |
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| mriedem_afk | jaypipes: i have that beat https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69047/ | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | mriedem_afk: nothing we should be proud of :( | 17:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diana Clarke proposed openstack/nova: Register the vnc config options under group 'vnc' https://review.openstack.org/193923 | 17:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: virtio-net multiqueue https://review.openstack.org/128825 | 17:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova-specs: libvirt: virtio-net multiqueue https://review.openstack.org/128825 | 17:48 |
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| elmiko | hey nova folks, this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179857/ is not included in stable/kilo, is it slated for release in liberty-1? | 18:00 |
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| sdague | elmiko: it's merged, so yes | 18:01 |
| elmiko | sdague: thanks, just wanted to confirm =) | 18:01 |
| sdague | elmiko: that also seems suitable for backport | 18:01 |
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| sdague | if you were so inclined | 18:01 |
| elmiko | sdague: cool, will do! | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up some bits of resource_tracker to use instance flavors https://review.openstack.org/191994 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Remove compat_instance() https://review.openstack.org/192708 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix testing object fields with missing instance rows https://review.openstack.org/192805 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up instance flavor usage in compute and network tests https://review.openstack.org/192347 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up ec2 tests for flavors on instances https://review.openstack.org/192346 | 18:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Fix up xenapi tests for instance flavors https://review.openstack.org/192345 | 18:13 |
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| elmiko | sdague: would you mind nominating this bug to kilo and juno for nova, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1451931 | 18:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451931 in OpenStack Security Notes "ironic password config not marked as secret" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Michael McCune (mimccune) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | well, that's the ossn. i meant the nova portion | 18:29 |
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| sdague | elmiko: honestly, just propose the backport | 18:30 |
| elmiko | sdague: ack, wasn't sure on the procedure | 18:30 |
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| sdague | honestly, mriedem_afk is the stable maint point person for nova, he can probably make sure you are pointed in the right direction | 18:31 |
| dansmith | alaski: around? | 18:31 |
| elmiko | sdague: cool, i pushed both branches for review. thanks for the advice =) | 18:31 |
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| alaski | dansmith: yes | 18:34 |
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| dansmith | alaski: so, we want to have more information about evacuate operations when they're happening, so we have reasonable information that they're progressing | 18:36 |
| dansmith | alaski: or have an idea if they have stalled or failed so we can restart them | 18:36 |
| dansmith | alaski: I want to do that via notifications so they're async and not requiring polling | 18:37 |
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| dansmith | alaski: is that cool as opposed to something like actions? | 18:37 |
| dansmith | cool with you I mean | 18:37 |
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| alaski | dansmith: yeah, that would be good for us as well. longer term that could possibly feed into something visible in a task, but notifications are great for something like that | 18:39 |
| dansmith | alaski: definitely, but I mean for the immediate benefit | 18:39 |
| alaski | great for exposing this, not for updating a task I mean | 18:39 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, I'm on board with it | 18:39 |
| dansmith | cool | 18:39 |
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| devananda | jroll, jaypipes - around when ever you are | 19:00 |
| jroll | ohai | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | hey | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | one sec, grabbing link to hangout. | 19:00 |
| jroll | bauzas: you said to ping so you can grab logs. but apparently hanging out. so. :/ | 19:01 |
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| jaypipes | devananda, jroll, bauzas: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/grilkgonwl7sazf5gguk425yxya?hl=en | 19:01 |
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| devananda | jaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193263/1 | 19:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse J. Cook proposed openstack/nova-specs: Create a software seam for Glance API code in Nova https://review.openstack.org/194303 | 19:06 |
| devananda | jroll: dude. that hurt | 19:07 |
| jroll | ? | 19:07 |
| devananda | wtf is up with your mic? | 19:07 |
| jroll | idk | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | jroll: machine gun static. | 19:07 |
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| jroll | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:08 |
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| bauzas | jroll: jaypipes: devananda: arriving | 19:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse J. Cook proposed openstack/nova-specs: Create a software seam for Glance API code in Nova https://review.openstack.org/194303 | 19:43 |
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| melwitt | alaski: in #openstack-qa I asked mtreinish about whether cells job should vote on tempest changes, he asks if we consider it critical? | 20:12 |
| mtreinish | melwitt: I left a comment on the review as to that too | 20:13 |
| melwitt | mtreinish: cool, thanks | 20:14 |
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| dansmith | I wouldn't call it critical | 20:14 |
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| dansmith | it'd be nice not to break us with tempest things, but.. | 20:14 |
| dansmith | maybe we see how it goes and if things are breaking often, we revisit? | 20:14 |
| dansmith | just MHO | 20:15 |
| * dansmith realizes he wasn't asked | 20:15 | |
| melwitt | :D | 20:15 |
| mtreinish | dansmith: yeah that's what I was thinking too | 20:15 |
| alaski | heh | 20:15 |
| alaski | I'm more concerned about tempest than devstack. but I'm fine with seeing how often we break | 20:15 |
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| alaski | based on earlier efforts it would have happened 2-3 times last cycle I think | 20:16 |
| dansmith | yeah, that doesn't seem too bad | 20:16 |
| mtreinish | alaski: well it was just that one big change to how networks were used right? it just took us a couple tries to get right :) | 20:16 |
| dansmith | I mean, it sucks, but.. | 20:16 |
| mtreinish | alaski: I mean ideally the api should behave the same regardless of cells... | 20:17 |
| * mtreinish sticks his head in the sand | 20:17 | |
| alaski | mtreinish: hah. I agree, but also have to live with our reality :) | 20:17 |
| alaski | mtreinish: it was mainly the network one, but also something about adding security groups to a test iirc | 20:18 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/194325 | 20:19 |
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| jaypipes | melwitt: the patch series from dansmith starting here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191994 could use your review if you have a minute or two. thx! | 20:19 |
| dansmith | melwitt: he meant a minute or 30 | 20:20 |
| melwitt | jaypipes, dansmith: sure, will do | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | lol | 20:20 |
| melwitt | :) | 20:20 |
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| mriedem | melwitt: alaski: mtreinish: doesn't the cells tempest job have a big regex of excluded tests? | 20:28 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: yes I think it still does | 20:28 |
| alaski | yes | 20:28 |
| melwitt | mriedem: yes | 20:28 |
| mriedem | ^ is kind of why i wanted cells on tempest changes | 20:28 |
| mriedem | b/c someone adds a new tests that does a thing that one of those excluded tests does and it merges and then nova is f'cked | 20:28 |
| mtreinish | ideally it should be using config flags to specify that, but whatever | 20:28 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: right | 20:28 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: so maybe that's a compromise | 20:28 |
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| mriedem | if there is a certain config thing that should happen in tempest if you're doing cells, and we can cleanup the blacklist that way, then tempest doesn't need to gate on cells | 20:29 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: well I think I was outvoted on the regex vs adding feature-enabled options thing | 20:29 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: I think maybe just a cells option is to broad a flag to add to tempest though | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | although maybe not, if you think that's something an end user needs to know about a deployment | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | because that's what those options basically codify | 20:30 |
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| mriedem | cells would be easy but no one would know when to use it | 20:37 |
| mriedem | as a flag i mean | 20:37 |
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| BobBall | Any | 20:38 |
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| mriedem | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/devstack-gate.yaml#n1004 | 20:38 |
| mriedem | that's a lot of tribal knowledge type shit | 20:38 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: uh, don't blame the file then | 20:39 |
| bauzas | :) | 20:39 |
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| mriedem | so i see like resize tests skipped in there, there is a flag in tempest.conf for not running resize tests | 20:40 |
| mriedem | why didn't we just use that? | 20:41 |
| mriedem | there should soon be a flag for encrypted volume tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193831/ | 20:41 |
| mriedem | if i get my way | 20:41 |
| bauzas | mriedem: to be clear, I was not aware of any tempest.conf flag | 20:42 |
| bauzas | mriedem: so we can probably try to change some lines | 20:42 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: yeah, so i guess what i'd try and do is remove as much of the regex as possible with using existing config flags in tempest | 20:43 |
| bauzas | mriedem: sounds good to me | 20:43 |
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| mriedem | then with what's left, if there are particular features that just don't work with those tests, we could add new config option(s) to tempest to skip those for the cells job | 20:43 |
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| alaski | so one argument for running cells on tempest would be easy testing for removing/modifying exclusions | 20:44 |
| mriedem | if they are things that cells 'should' be able to do, but are bugs, then we could skip based on the bug until the bug is fixed | 20:44 |
| alaski | but an experimental job could do that | 20:44 |
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| mriedem | alaski: mtreinish: there is a cells job on tempest experimental queue now right? | 20:44 |
| alaski | I believe so | 20:44 |
| bauzas | alaski: I like the idea to use tempest.conf flags for failure domains | 20:44 |
| bauzas | mriedem: nope, I moved it | 20:44 |
| mriedem | moved it? | 20:45 |
| bauzas | mriedem: from the experimental to the check ppl | 20:45 |
| bauzas | mriedem: unless someone added it back | 20:45 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: i see the cells job in tempest's experimental queue here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190894/3/zuul/layout.yaml | 20:46 |
| mriedem | in melwitt's change to make it voting on nova | 20:46 |
| mriedem | cells is also in the experimental queue for devstack chagnes | 20:46 |
| bauzas | mmm | 20:47 |
| mriedem | one thing that kind of sucks is removing the regexes is going to be hard for things that we're not sure of, since project-config isn't running changes against a cells job | 20:47 |
| mriedem | so we won't be totally sure of all of these removals | 20:47 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: (or whoever else) working on neutron/ironic integration, are we going to need a spec here? see lines 59-79 or so: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187829/4/specs/liberty/network-provider.rst | 20:48 |
| jroll | dansmith: ^ talked to you a bit about this recently | 20:48 |
| jroll | I can definitely do a blueprint, will do spec if necessary, tl;dr adding a flag to the port-create call | 20:48 |
| bauzas | mriedem: don't see the job in the experimental lines | 20:48 |
| mriedem | bauzas: line 3644 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190894/3/zuul/layout.yaml | 20:49 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: see my change when I moved the job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149410/1/zuul/layout.yaml,cm | 20:49 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: dansmith something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186855/ . I'll just write a spec today unless you tell me otherwise :) | 20:50 |
| mriedem | alaski: bauzas: melwitt: mtreinish: are we generally in agreement that the cells job should be skipping things it doesn't work with using the options that tempest already has, like resize? | 20:50 |
| mriedem | bauzas: oh, so that just landed | 20:50 |
| mriedem | oh nvm, jan != jun :) | 20:50 |
| mriedem | bauzas: that's nova, i'm talking about tempest | 20:50 |
| bauzas | mriedem: aaaaaaarh | 20:51 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes, let's use the proper methods for skipping when available. | 20:51 |
| melwitt | +1 | 20:51 |
| * bauzas should write a book "how to discuss 30 mins about something useless" | 20:51 | |
| mriedem | going through the list of regexed out tests and what tempest options are available is going to take some time, some of those options might have to be exposed through devstack changes and changes to devstack-gate, not sure until digging in | 20:51 |
| alaski | mriedem: the trick is that things like resize are supported, but the resize test must have been doing something that isn't supported like security groups or AZs or something | 20:52 |
| mriedem | devstack change to set the option in tempest.conf, changes in devstack-gate to set the env var in devstack to set the option in tempest.conf | 20:52 |
| alaski | so some resize tests may be running now, I'm not really sure | 20:52 |
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| bauzas | alaski: mriedem: yeah, using a tempest.conf for a failure domain is definitely better, in case someone adds a new test or something like that | 20:52 |
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| mriedem | so....my thinking is, make cells voting in nova (check and gate) in the short term, and then work on cleaning up the regex list so the options are there in tempest so we hopefully don't regress, | 20:53 |
| mriedem | if a tempest change slips in which completely blocks nova, then i guess we'll find out and fix or add to the exclude list to unblock | 20:53 |
| dansmith | jroll: I want to know *why* you need to do this and why it needs to be different from other drivers | 20:54 |
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| dansmith | jroll: so if you can explain that in the commit message or a bug, then maybe you don't need anything | 20:54 |
| jroll | dansmith: right, the spec I linked discusses that. it's an ironic spec, would you like a nova mirror? :) | 20:54 |
| jroll | ok | 20:54 |
| dansmith | jroll: but otherwise, I don't have enough information to make any sort of call | 20:54 |
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| dansmith | jroll: no not a mirror, but something.. sounds like that isn't landed yet.. presumably you're waiting to make sure both sides are okay with it? | 20:55 |
| dansmith | jroll: I would put a little text in the commit message, link to the unmerged spec, and leave it WIP for now | 20:55 |
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| jroll | dansmith: yep, that's the plan. can do, ty sir | 20:56 |
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| jroll | dansmith: I just don't want to come back after spec deadlines and have someone ask for a spec :) | 20:56 |
| mriedem | alaski: for those resize tests, i guess we could manually verify that running them on trunk nova works or not | 20:56 |
| dansmith | jroll: yes, and I appreciate that :) | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: API support for migration_type https://review.openstack.org/183200 | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make live migration create a migration object record https://review.openstack.org/183331 | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make evacuate leave a record for the source compute host to process https://review.openstack.org/183354 | 20:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Add some notifications to the evacuate path https://review.openstack.org/194372 | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make evacuate update the migration object along the way https://review.openstack.org/194373 | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: yes, that's fine with me. Fwiw, that was actually my original proposal back when the giant regex was first added | 20:57 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: well you and i are the same person so that makes sense | 20:58 |
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| melwitt | haha | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | hehe | 20:59 |
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| alaski | mriedem: I would like to go back through and submit reviews to remove some exclusions and see what still fails | 20:59 |
| mriedem | alaski: project-config changes do'nt run against cells though right? | 21:00 |
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| alaski | mriedem: bah, that's right | 21:00 |
| mriedem | maybe we could add the cells job to project-config's experimental queue :) | 21:00 |
| mriedem | while working through the list | 21:00 |
| mriedem | or does that open a black hole? | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | project-config doesn't currently have anything in the experimental queue but that should work | 21:01 |
| alaski | feels heavy for this. maybe a devstack change to set a modified regex there | 21:01 |
| ildikov | Hi Nova Cores! If any of you have the bandwidth, please take a look at this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182350/ Thanks! :) | 21:02 |
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| alaski | mriedem: but I'm good with an experimental job there if the reviewers there are | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | asking fungi in -infra | 21:03 |
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| morganfainberg | mriedem: FYI just reviewed the instance-user spec. it's not really insane, just have a concern with metadata service use there - once that concern is solved/addressed I can safely +1 it (cc jaypipes ) | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | mriedem: that would be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617/ btw | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | alaski: ok, so i'll push the initial project-config change to add cells + tempest to d-g exp queue, | 21:06 |
| mriedem | alaski: regarding cells job voting on nova changes, melwitt's patch, do we want to bring that up in the nova meeting or ML to get general agreement that we want it voting even though tempest changes won't be tested against it automatically? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | so things will probably break from time to time until regex exodus happens | 21:07 |
| mriedem | regex exodus (tm) btw | 21:07 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes, it would be good to get buyin from Nova reviewers for that | 21:08 |
| mriedem | ok, you want to send that to the ML now or i can do it | 21:08 |
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| alaski | you've got the momentum on it | 21:08 |
| melwitt | mriedem: shall I -W the patch for now? | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | melwitt: yeah probably | 21:10 |
| mriedem | alaski: ok i'll write that up now | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | morganfainberg: ok, probably won't get anywhere near that today | 21:10 |
| morganfainberg | no worries just letting you know i've gotten some comments on it | 21:11 |
| morganfainberg | mriedem: i know you are headed towards the deadline(s), but i think it will need an update before it's ready fwiw | 21:11 |
| melwitt | mriedem: okay, cool | 21:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: virt: introduce libosinfo library to set hardware policy https://review.openstack.org/149625 | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: use osinfo when configuring network model https://review.openstack.org/149627 | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: adding libosinfo configuration https://review.openstack.org/149626 | 21:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Vladik Romanovsky proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: use osinfo when configuring the disk bus https://review.openstack.org/149628 | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | yar http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067723.html | 21:23 |
| bauzas | mmm, I suppose I have to modify a nova.conf flag for testing the EC2 API within devstack? | 21:23 |
| * bauzas digging | 21:24 | |
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| bauzas | ooooooh | 21:27 |
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| russellb | mriedem: i have a thing for your regex exodus | 21:33 |
| mriedem | do tell | 21:33 |
| russellb | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067724.html | 21:33 |
| russellb | so you can use that to put the cells job regex in a file in the nova repo | 21:34 |
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| russellb | mriedem: ^ | 21:36 |
| mriedem | russellb: yeah, just read through all the changes | 21:36 |
| mriedem | russellb: that's what i call fancy pants | 21:36 |
| mriedem | russellb: nice, i'll use that instead | 21:36 |
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| russellb | mriedem: yay, glad it seems to help | 21:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova: cells: add devstack/tempest-dsvm-cells-rc for gating https://review.openstack.org/194411 | 22:01 |
| mriedem | russellb: alaski: melwitt: bauzas: mtreinish: ^ kablammo | 22:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed openstack/nova: Don't bind ironic networks immediately https://review.openstack.org/186855 | 22:02 |
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| melwitt | mriedem: hey, that's cool | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: one of these days I'm going to get the tempest ostestr patch landed so we can just use the blacklist file option to make that interface a bit cleaner | 22:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Earle F. Philhower, III proposed openstack/nova: Add os_brick-based VolumeDriver for HGST connector https://review.openstack.org/194412 | 22:06 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: i was already cursing ostestr last week | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: yeah I caught part of that in the back log this morning | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure what I screwed up though | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | besides probably everything | 22:06 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: well, -n | 22:07 |
| mriedem | and docs :) | 22:07 |
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| mriedem | i had to dig into the code to figure out how to run a single test case | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: well there is a --help/-h that includes some details | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | but yeah docs are a todo | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | maybe you could help? | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed openstack/nova: Allow virt driver to define binding:host_id https://review.openstack.org/194413 | 22:09 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: i knew that was coming :) | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: think of the possibilities, 2 Matt's working on the same thing | 22:11 |
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| * melwitt ponders | 22:12 | |
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| mriedem | more black holes | 22:12 |
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| LukeHinds | hello * | 23:34 |
| LukeHinds | this is driving me mad, anyone have any ideas https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/67724/kilo-assigning-ipv6-even-though-its-disabled/ | 23:34 |
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| LukeHinds | I just redeployed and I keep getting ipv6 addresses assigned, even though its disabled | 23:35 |
| LukeHinds | just followed this to the T and still have the same https://www.rdoproject.org/Running_an_instance_with_Neutron | 23:36 |
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| LukeHinds | sorry all, just noted this is more of a dev channel, sorry for disturbing. | 23:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/nova-specs: Instance Users for Cloud Interaction https://review.openstack.org/186617 | 23:58 |
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