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| vivek_nandavanam | Hi.. When a nova instance is stuck in an ERROR state and force delete does not work.. | 00:49 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | What are the places to delete the instance references from? | 00:49 |
| vivek_nandavanam | One is deleting the entry in the DB, the other is deleting the instance from the compute node from /var/lib/instances | 00:50 |
| vivek_nandavanam | Are there other references that need to be deleted? | 00:50 |
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| mmedvede | vivek_nandavanam: I was using something like this to clean Icehouse database http://paste.openstack.org/show/251132/. But I am pretty sure it might be missing something | 01:00 |
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| vivek_nandavanam | mmedvede: Thanks.. | 01:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/179638 | 06:24 |
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| Ritseh | Hi, All . Need some help. | 06:46 |
| Ritseh | I have pused the code to nova and I want to update the tempest test cases. | 06:47 |
| Ritseh | How can use it the tempest to have a single review | 06:47 |
| Ritseh | ? | 06:47 |
| Ritseh | or Do I need to raise tempest review separtely | 06:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/nova: Amend some useless variables and typos https://review.openstack.org/187118 | 06:55 |
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| eliqiao1 | hello, any core around to help +w on serie PS begin with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177673/ | 07:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Add and use raise_feature_not_supported() https://review.openstack.org/163697 | 07:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Add a hacking rule for consistent HTTP501 message https://review.openstack.org/163698 | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/nova: Remove "rebuild" in migrate_server https://review.openstack.org/184060 | 08:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vipin Balachandran proposed openstack/nova: Detach and terminate conn if Cinder attach fails https://review.openstack.org/186742 | 08:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: CreateVM supports subnet specified https://review.openstack.org/182969 | 08:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Moshe Levi proposed openstack/nova: Adding support for InfiniBand SR-IOV vif type https://review.openstack.org/187052 | 08:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/nova: Remove an useless variable and fix a typo in api https://review.openstack.org/187118 | 08:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jens Rosenboom proposed openstack/nova: Fix some issues in devref for api_microversions https://review.openstack.org/187133 | 08:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova: VMware: Use datastore copy when the image is already in vSphere https://review.openstack.org/186716 | 08:31 |
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| bauzas | morning | 08:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: good morning | 08:43 |
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| sahid | danpb: i have added you with vladik on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking line 96 | 08:52 |
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| sahid | then i have added some links but perhaps this can be reviews since all are not really priority | 08:53 |
| sahid | but at least some of them are in review since long time | 08:55 |
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| bauzas | sahid: FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165560/ is part of the trivial bug list | 08:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | sahid: I was seeing that list more as the current top things that are considered "ready to merge" by that team, its a bit different to a list of things that are high priority and "ready for review", I guess those got mixed up | 08:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: ah, true, there is overlap there I guess | 08:57 |
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| * johnthetubaguy need to write up this idea properly... | 08:57 | |
| eliqiao1 | hi johnthetubaguy: I think most api policy patches are reviewed , can be merged (already 2 +2s) can you help to +w , from this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177673/ | 08:57 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: honestly, duplicates are fine, provided cores are enough happy to check | 08:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah | 08:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: they get onto different lists for different reasons, which is cool | 08:58 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: my point is, maybe some cores prefer to look at trivial bugs, while others prefer to look at libvirt for example | 08:58 |
| bauzas | that just reminds me I have to leave a vote for this one :) | 08:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | eliqiao1: cool, +Wed that one | 08:59 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: off-topic, I think trivial bugs are a good opportunity for newcomers to review and ramp up on Nova | 08:59 |
| eliqiao1 | johnthetubaguy: thanks and there are sereral dependencies one.. | 08:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: +1 can you add that to the mentoring wiki | 08:59 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: since they would have to wonder 'why this change is needed and what is the context around ?' | 08:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | eliqiao1: I just saw that list, good stuff :) | 08:59 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah sure, doing that now, since I emphasize the upstream attendees to review as wel | 09:00 |
| bauzas | well | 09:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: cool, thanks | 09:00 |
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| eliqiao1 | hi sahid: are you still working on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177671/ | 09:01 |
| eliqiao1 | johnthetubaguy point me out that, I have a spec which is quite similar with yours.. | 09:01 |
| sahid | eliqiao1: ah yes | 09:02 |
| sahid | i wanted to find the time to update the spec | 09:02 |
| eliqiao1 | sahid: okay, thanks. | 09:03 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: ack | 09:03 |
| bauzas | sahid: I left -1 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165560/2 for a very small comment | 09:03 |
| bauzas | sahid: do you know the proposer's IRC nick ? | 09:03 |
| bauzas | sahid: I'm tempted to provide a new PS for that... | 09:04 |
| sahid | bauzas: the return None was already on that method | 09:04 |
| sahid | the author did not update that part | 09:04 |
| sahid | it is not realted | 09:04 |
| bauzas | sahid: yeah, is it a good reason for keeping it ? :) | 09:04 |
| sahid | i do not think you should do that | 09:04 |
| sahid | bauzas: you can probably push an other patch | 09:05 |
| bauzas | ok, doing that now, so you could +1 it | 09:05 |
| sahid | but this one is probably ready as it is | 09:05 |
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| bauzas | sahid: yeah, but you know, it's all about patterns | 09:06 |
| sahid | bauzas: not sure i will :) ..there are several method with an explicity return None I do not think there is any jutification behind your suggestion | 09:06 |
| sahid | :) | 09:06 |
| bauzas | sahid: I don't want to be seen as nitpicker, hence my request to ping the owner | 09:06 |
| bauzas | sahid: that's not because others do wrong that we can also do wrong :) | 09:07 |
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| sahid | well i do not know, perhaps it is something we can discus and add rule but i do not think it is wrong | 09:07 |
| bauzas | anyway... | 09:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I try not to -1 on those if they are in old code, regardless of if we agree about "return None", its a valid comment to make on a +1 though, I feel | 09:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Remove error messages from multipath command output before parsing https://review.openstack.org/165560 | 09:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the idea behind that is to help the owner, not to kill him | 09:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I would really appreciate if people could point me some things I did wrong, and provide me new PS | 09:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: right, its just most java folks would freak out if they didn't see "return None" at the end of that function | 09:10 |
| bauzas | eh :) | 09:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | not saying thats as a good reason for it to exist, but you know, thats probably how it got there | 09:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: heard about termie's session at Vancouver ? | 09:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I heard, but not listened, have you found the link? | 09:11 |
| bauzas | yeah, sec | 09:11 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/openstack-is-doomed-and-it-is-your-fault | 09:12 |
| bauzas | sahid: happy with +1 https://review.openstack.org/165560 ? | 09:12 |
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| sahid | bauzas: sure i will | 09:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vipin Balachandran proposed openstack/nova: Detach and terminate conn if Cinder attach fails https://review.openstack.org/186742 | 09:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I watched vish's video, but termie's is really quite a cool presentation, great insight | 09:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: action #1 from the prezo : "rewrite Nova" | 09:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: was kinda funny | 09:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: anyway, since termie left the project for a long time, he was a bit confused by the wording of "plugins" and "contrib" for example | 09:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its kinda what we are doing, just very slowly | 09:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so having the API as a whole is a good step in the direction he wanna say | 09:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: my point is, beyond the troll, that some remarks are interesting because it's in the direction we're trying to do | 09:29 |
| bauzas | go | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 09:29 |
| ekarlso | 1redoing node in Go ? :p | 09:30 |
| bauzas | shhhhhtttt | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: Set task_state=None when booting instance failed https://review.openstack.org/187145 | 09:30 |
| sahid | :) | 09:30 |
| ekarlso | q though, how you do plugins etc in go ? :p | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 09:30 |
| bauzas | ekarlso: I tried golang a couple of months before and it's fun but I have some serious concerns :) | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | gotta love IRC ordering | 09:31 |
| bauzas | ekarlso: I'm actually following Swift's discussion about that | 09:31 |
| ekarlso | heh, for some projects I guess Go makes more sense | 09:31 |
| ekarlso | Designate f ex where we have our own dns | 09:31 |
| bauzas | ekarlso: because there are really certain points about golang which makes it interesting | 09:31 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: that said, I consider Python as an excellent choice for a natural path if you come from Operations like me | 09:32 |
| openstackgerrit | sahid proposed openstack/nova: network: fix instance cache refresh for empty list https://review.openstack.org/186315 | 09:32 |
| sahid | johnthetubaguy: if you have a moment to look at this ^ | 09:32 |
| sahid | it's about a race and should be interesting to have it merged and backported | 09:33 |
| sahid | since this srt a bad status in the database | 09:33 |
| sahid | (but since we have a periodic cache to update the database after applied all should be resolved) | 09:33 |
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| sahid | s/periodic catch/periodic task | 09:34 |
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| ekarlso | how termie meant to rewrite nova then ? | 09:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ekarlso: i think magnum is doing it already, just need them to support ironic directly, or something? | 09:41 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: johnthetubaguy: magnum uses Go ? Don't think so | 09:42 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I mean, Docker Swarm is in Go, and they're calling its API, but I think the bays and the engine are in python | 09:42 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the only project I've been heard to look at Go is Swift for their specific code section that they want to improve | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: magnum is python, for sure, but thats cool | 09:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/nova: CreateVM supports subnet specified https://review.openstack.org/182969 | 09:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ritesh proposed openstack/nova: Users will not be allowed to delete instance during snapshot https://review.openstack.org/185942 | 10:12 |
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| sdague | morning folks | 10:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | morning! | 10:55 |
| sahid | hello sdague | 10:55 |
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| sdague | well, I'm early for US folks | 10:57 |
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| sdague | ok, just processed the week's worth of openstack-dev | 11:54 |
| sdague | going to take a while to get back into gear today | 11:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shiina, Hironori proposed openstack/nova-specs: Inject NMI to an instance https://review.openstack.org/187176 | 12:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Maxim Nestratov proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: don't add filesystem disk to parallels containers unconditionally https://review.openstack.org/186858 | 12:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Shiina, Hironori proposed openstack/nova-specs: Inject NMI to an instance https://review.openstack.org/187176 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vikhyat Umrao proposed openstack/nova: RBD: Reading rbd_default_features from ceph.conf https://review.openstack.org/186537 | 12:21 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: while I accept your question within the ML, I just think we need to discuss on the spec if you disagree with it | 12:51 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: just because we need to work by baby steps | 12:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/nova: Adding IPv6 static routes and static routes template https://review.openstack.org/187012 | 12:51 |
| bauzas | edleafe: trying to help Cinder and Neutron is really good, but until jaypipes's spec is merged, there is really nothing we can do for those folks | 12:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/nova: Adding IPv6 static routes and static routes template https://review.openstack.org/187012 | 12:53 |
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| jaypipes | back to the grind... | 13:23 |
| edleafe | speaking of "grind", I should make some more coffee... | 13:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: scheduling for other projects isn't the point | 13:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: scheduling resources for *nova* needs to be rethought, IMO | 13:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's just why we discussed over Kilo on that... | 13:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: if we do Nova right, those others will at least be possible. | 13:27 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: don't be afraid of that, but I think we uberdiscussed on that for bp/resource-objects and I'm really done with all of that | 13:27 |
| dims | jaypipes: edleafe: /me firing up my keurig | 13:27 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I see the two at different levels. | 13:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: what I want to see is an implementation, so we could iterate over that | 13:28 |
| edleafe | dims: bleh | 13:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: which is ? sorry but both your blogpost and your email helped me understand your point then | 13:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: you spoke about resources that aren't necessarly a flavor | 13:28 |
| bauzas | edleafe: which I agree - but the objects model was flexible enough for that | 13:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: help documenting all the switches and toggles we have today would be great, is that covered in your post? | 13:30 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: no, I didn't go into that at all | 13:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: also, you mentioned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184534/ but I don't see your opinion in there | 13:30 |
| lxsli | edleafe: bauzas: it sounds as though flavors should be factored out to request validation | 13:30 |
| lxsli | leaving the scheduler to only deal with resource amounts | 13:30 |
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| dims | edleafe: seen the 'dynamic flavors' in the ibm distro? been there since folsom i think | 13:30 |
| edleafe | lxsli: and only for certain types of resources | 13:31 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: I think there is a big misunderstanding | 13:31 |
| edleafe | lxsli: my point is that "flavor" is not fundamental to a resource | 13:31 |
| lxsli | it's really up to the operators, flavors are a useful concept for some but not all | 13:31 |
| bauzas | lxsli: we never told about flavors provided to the scheduler, but rather resource usages | 13:31 |
| * bauzas is just tired of all of that discussed happening in Kilo and happening back here | 13:31 | |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: my thinking was, lets sit down and work out what we do today, spot the patterns, compare to what we want to do tomorrow, and look how to bridge the two | 13:31 |
| bauzas | I'll make some coffee, I need | 13:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1000 | 13:32 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: yes, that's the only sane way to approach it | 13:32 |
| bauzas | hands-on guys :) | 13:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well I guess we agreed step one here as objectify what we are doing today | 13:33 |
| bauzas | and we discussed on that at Summit | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 13:33 |
| superdan | dims: dynamic flavors automates the armageddon situation we're trying to avoid I think :) | 13:33 |
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| bauzas | and the action items were clear | 13:33 |
| bauzas | superdan: ĥell yeah | 13:33 |
| lxsli | edleafe: I'm agreeing with you I think? By moving the concept of flavor out of the scheduler (into a separate validation thing), we make the scheduler both simpler and more versatile | 13:33 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: and in the process note where what we are doing today doesn't fit | 13:33 |
| dims | superdan: ha :) | 13:33 |
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| edleafe | dims: what superdan said | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | superdan: I like "automates the armegeddon" | 13:34 |
| bauzas | edleafe: there is a separate track for defining what is a flavor, you can opiniate on that since this is a bullet item said as "need a plan" IIRC | 13:34 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but that's a separate concern | 13:34 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: :) | 13:34 |
| edleafe | lxsli: sounds like we are agreeing. I think flavor is only relevant to VPS-style resources. | 13:35 |
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| edleafe | lxsli: they don't apply to any others | 13:35 |
| lxsli | I can see other people wanting to restrict the ways resources are allocated, for example into flavor-like bundles | 13:35 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-priorities L63 | 13:36 |
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| bauzas | oops L64 | 13:36 |
| edleafe | lxsli: flavors make no sense in bare metal or LXD-type resources | 13:36 |
| bauzas | edleafe: if you're interested in that, maybe you could hassle dansmith ;) | 13:36 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that's related, but again at a lower level than what I'd like to discuss | 13:37 |
| lxsli | edleafe: wellll mostly yes but you have an implicit flavor which is the shape of machine available | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: I don't think that true for bare metal, they make some sense, I don't think we should support LXD style things | 13:37 |
| lxsli | edleafe: so again, by breaking flavor out to purely request validation, we could make baremetal validate requests to match machines | 13:37 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sounds like you need to fill a backlog spec (quoting johnthetubaguy) | 13:37 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that is for improving the current model. I'd like to think about where the model needs to be changed. | 13:38 |
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| lxsli | edleafe: the current impl of flavors vs ironic certainly makes no sense | 13:38 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that's why we're trying to model something enough flexible | 13:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: depends how you use ironic though, if you cell bare metal by the hour, then its quite handy | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/cell/sell/ | 13:39 |
| edleafe | lxsli: there aren't flavors in ironic. We can fake it by saying there is one flavor per machine, but that's hacky | 13:39 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: there aren't flavors in Ironice because that's Nova which handles the UX | 13:39 |
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| bauzas | oh man | 13:39 |
| bauzas | Ironic | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: we have tree types of bare metal machine thats available, and users get to pick one, right? | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | just like virt (ish) | 13:40 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: not exactly | 13:40 |
| bauzas | that reminds me... | 13:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: around ? | 13:40 |
| lxsli | I thought you got any machine which was large enough to fulfill the flavor? (I could easily be wrong!) | 13:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: you paid your due for freeing from Canadian's prisons ? | 13:41 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: you're not specifying how a resource can be divided up, you're specifying the resources themselves | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: in the general case, there is more to it, but thats the use case we have right now | 13:41 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes, sifting through my email backlog | 13:41 |
| bauzas | alaski: eh | 13:41 |
| bauzas | alaski: that's another penitence | 13:41 |
| alaski | bauzas: hah, I would have willingly stayed in the land of maple syrup | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: FWIW, the NUMA work makes that really quite fusy | 13:42 |
| bauzas | alaski: I was about discussing on how we could setup a magical task force for the Tasks API | 13:42 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: edleafe: honestly, before discussing about something bigger, we should at least fix our blobs stuff | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: from an API user of the flavor, the distinction is not really important, sure internally those need to be distinct, but thats a different issue | 13:42 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: yeah, not thinking about the external representation at all right now | 13:43 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I think I understand now (thanks George, what else ?) your point, but I think we first need to fix our image/flavor/hints user API | 13:43 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: just the contortions we go through to fit things into our current design | 13:44 |
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| bauzas | Rethink Nova (c) termie | 13:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: yeah, so I worry more about the API at this point, once thats straight we know what the inside bits need to do | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | although both ways are possibe | 13:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (with enough iterations) | 13:45 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: you only progress by taking a step at a time. But you do need to look at your path from time to time to make sure your steps are taking you where you need to go. | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: fun fact, I just got told we have running instances that don't have any flavor info in system_metadata, turns out that upsets the nova-manage cmd | 13:46 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: seriously? | 13:46 |
| alaski | bauzas: for tasks I think it's mainly determining if there is a group of people willing to move it forward. if so then we can meet regularly and come up with etherpads/specs/action items and all that stuff. But we need people who have time to write code for it, not just discuss it (which is all I'm likely to do for a bit). | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: actually true, sadly | 13:47 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: wow | 13:47 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: are the flavors for those still in the DB? | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: luckily we haven't deleted the flavor yet, so I think we can add that in quite easily | 13:47 |
| dansmith | okay | 13:47 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I can work on that this morning if you want | 13:48 |
| bauzas | alaski: before coding, we need a plan right ? | 13:48 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's exactly why we need Design Summits | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: that would be cool actually, I don't think anyone has take a peak at that yet | 13:48 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes. but we already have a bit of a plan, and we need some PoCs to help iterate the plan | 13:48 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: is it okay to just do it for nova-manage and not regular lazy-load? those instances clearly aren't getting touched, so nova-manage should be okay, but then again, if they do lazy-load... | 13:48 |
| bauzas | alaski: ack, so I'll jump into the drafts and will ping you later on | 13:49 |
| edleafe | bauzas: Summits are good for answering questions that have already been asked, but also for coming up with new questions | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I am good with that, although, I guess its possible the cells sync could touch them, I supose, but I will ignore that for now | 13:49 |
| edleafe | bauzas: My raising these questions is a direct result of the various discussions I had at at the summit | 13:49 |
| alaski | bauzas: we can get a meeting started to guage interest. I just think it'll fizzle quickly if nobody has time to code it | 13:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: my point is, I'm pretty busy for Liberty due to you know what, but I should have some free time for helping with that | 13:50 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: but they don't have stuff in sysmeta, so I would expect lots of things to be breaking if anything was touching them, no? | 13:50 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: the cells sync only touches instances updated in the last day | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: ah, didn't know about the cut off, I guessed we just didn't hit them in practice | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I think we are good then | 13:51 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: TBH, I'm amazed that you have instances with no flavor stuff in sysmeta and aren't already seeing major troubles | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I guess it was pending delete that meant we hit old instancing in prod, its starting to become clearer now | 13:52 |
| dansmith | like, runs of periodic resource update tasks would fail and such, I'd think | 13:52 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that one could do it. and that task might update the instance so the cell sync would pick it up | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: it accidentally got turned on, for a little bit | 13:52 |
| sahid | dansmith: hello, i'm reviewing your change here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183331/4/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py,cm - I have pain to get why you do not inclde live-migrate in the calculation here ? | 13:53 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: is there a bug for this yet? | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: true, hmm, funky, we delete the old soft delete ones these days, unless the script hit them | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: no, sadly | 13:53 |
| sahid | when you have a moment if you can add comment on the review perhaps | 13:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add to_dict() to ImageMeta and ImageMetaProps objects https://review.openstack.org/186474 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Create RequestSpec object https://review.openstack.org/145528 | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova: Add RequestSpec methods for primitiving into dicts https://review.openstack.org/187197 | 13:54 |
| alaski | bauzas: cool. I would love to help move it forward as well. but if it's just you and I meeting each week to talk about it we won't get very far :) | 13:54 |
| dansmith | sahid: that's not the point of what I'm doing there. All I'm trying to do is get the migration record in the DB for the purposes of recording the transition. Extending the RT to know about live migrations and do that math is a different set of work | 13:54 |
| bauzas | alaski: 100% agreed | 13:54 |
| dims | any cores have a moment, please bless the fix for the py34 job - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186922/ already has a +2 from mriedem | 13:54 |
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| sahid | dansmith: i see, thank you | 13:55 |
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| danpb | dims: woo, so py34 is passing now for nova - quick make it gating before we regress ! | 13:57 |
| dims | danpb: just 2 tests :) | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I was just about to push a possible patch (minus tests) and a bug, so some internal folks can take a look, unless you did something already? | 13:58 |
| dims | danpb: kudos to haypo | 13:58 |
| danpb | dims: better than 0, ship it ! | 13:58 |
| dims | haha | 13:58 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I'm close | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: cool, I will hold off then | 13:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am guessing its a two liner, with a bit of luck | 13:58 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: not quite to do it right, but not too bad | 14:05 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: could you get a bug up so I can link when I submit? | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: OK | 14:10 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, so I'm still getting my bearings back from a week away (which was super nice). I'm assuming top priorities that I can help with are the Nova API explanation article and the tree restructure to get rid of v3 | 14:15 |
| sdague | but if there is something else you want eyes on, let me know | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: that sounds good from my memory at this point | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I am getting out of some firefighting and just writing up the priorities spec, etc | 14:16 |
| sdague | yeh, I figure those 2 things, plus reconstruct all the things I promissed are my goal for the week | 14:16 |
| sdague | coolio | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I am slowly populating this, it should help eventually https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 14:18 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: awesome | 14:18 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: okay, I think I've got it ready with tests | 14:20 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: have you started on a bug or should I open one and act like I've seen this in the wild? :) | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: so launchpad timed out on my, resubmitting now | 14:21 |
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| dansmith | okay | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1460673 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460673 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-manage fails if instance has no flavor in sys_meta when trying to move them all to instance_extra" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:23 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: thanks, just a sec | 14:23 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: so, we have at least one place in the api code where we account for the possibility of not having stashed flavor info | 14:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make nova-manage handle completely missing flavor information https://review.openstack.org/187206 | 14:25 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: this will let us remove that once people have run this migration | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, sweet, good point, its a nice tidy up | 14:26 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: so if that ^ works for you guys I'll backport to kilo | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 to that | 14:26 |
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| thomasem | dims: added DocImpact and more info in the commit message here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187012/ Is that what you were looking for? | 14:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make nova-manage handle completely missing flavor information https://review.openstack.org/187206 | 15:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Handle FlavorNotFound when augmenting migrated flavors https://review.openstack.org/187227 | 15:09 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: also fixes a similar FlavorNotFound issue ^ | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: sweet | 15:12 |
| dansmith | I'm still completely amazed that you have running instances with no flavor info and things aren't broken | 15:13 |
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| dansmith | I feel like congratulations are in order :) | 15:13 |
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| danpb | dansmith: was there ever a time when image metadata was /not/ copied over to instance system_metadata at boot time ? | 15:14 |
| edleafe | dansmith: https://twitter.com/tenderlove/status/603355072102170625 | 15:14 |
| danpb | ie, can i rely on system_metadata always being populated | 15:14 |
| dansmith | danpb: not sure | 15:14 |
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| dansmith | edleafe: heh, yeah | 15:15 |
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| dims | thomasem: yep | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | jaypipes: <3 thanks for stepping up for the v1 -> v2 thing | 15:23 |
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| lxsli | Nothing better than breaking out a machete on some code :) | 15:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Handle FlavorNotFound when augmenting migrated flavors https://review.openstack.org/187227 | 15:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make nova-manage handle completely missing flavor information https://review.openstack.org/187206 | 15:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack/nova: Add error message to failed block device transform https://review.openstack.org/180584 | 15:42 |
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| bauzas | does anyone know here (warning, you have to be elder) why there is SchedulerOptions module to add some JSON information if no upstream filters are looking at them ? | 15:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make InstanceExternalEvent use an Enum for status https://review.openstack.org/183626 | 15:45 |
| bauzas | corollar question : can we just drop the scheduler options if the in-tree modules don't use it, even if out-of-tree filters could perhaps use it ? | 15:45 |
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| bauzas | to be clear, I'm talking about https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filter_scheduler.py#L126 and https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/scheduler_options.py | 15:46 |
| edleafe | bauzas: IIRC, that was designed for operators to tweak things without having to restart services. | 15:48 |
| edleafe | bauzas: so it probably wouldn't be in-tree | 15:48 |
| edleafe | bauzas: it would lend itself to customized filters/weighers | 15:48 |
| bauzas | edleafe: okay, so you think I should keep it and just serialize it in the ReqSpec object ? | 15:49 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: yeah, that would probably be best | 15:49 |
| bauzas | edleafe: since it's a JSON-encoded file, we really have zero ways to provide an object | 15:49 |
| bauzas | dansmith: your thought on that ? | 15:49 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because it can be a dict of dicts or more than that | 15:50 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so if I would provide this in our object, it would be a field like 'options' : fields.StringField() | 15:50 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yep - no defined structure | 15:50 |
| bauzas | which is terribly bad | 15:50 |
| bauzas | since the motivation is to provide a way to add a versioned interface for the filters | 15:51 |
| edleafe | bauzas: it's a poor name - should have been something like 'dynamic runtime tweaks' | 15:51 |
| bauzas | edleafe: it's just a poor error vector, that's it :) | 15:51 |
| edleafe | bauzas: +1 | 15:52 |
| dansmith | dear. god. | 15:52 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I don't think we should serialize/store that in request spec, no | 15:52 |
| bauzas | dansmith: hence my point above :) | 15:52 |
| dansmith | bauzas: can't we just re-read and re-apply the junk in the file if we reschedule? | 15:53 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: that's just a blob added to filt_props | 15:53 |
| bauzas | dansmith: so any 3rd party filter can expect something in there | 15:54 |
| bauzas | dansmith: anytime the _schedule() method is called (ie. for a reschedule from the conductor as well), it just reads the JSON file | 15:54 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: but that's once per request since .schedule() is only called once | 15:54 |
| bauzas | so, the problem is : we have an internal API that allows out-of-tree filters to pass arbitrary values to their filters | 15:55 |
| dansmith | bauzas: right, which is terrible | 15:55 |
| bauzas | dansmith: totally | 15:55 |
| dansmith | bauzas: my point is, I don't think we should capture/snapshot what is in the file when we create requestspec for an instance | 15:56 |
| bauzas | (17:50:45) bauzas: which is terribly bad | 15:56 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: so if we need to continue to honor the contents of that file, can't we just do it each time we (re-)schedule and not actually store it? | 15:56 |
| bauzas | dansmith: so, we could just drop the support of it ? | 15:56 |
| dansmith | that's a different question, which is harder to answer | 15:56 |
| bauzas | dansmith: oh, no | 15:56 |
| dansmith | but not polluting our new requestspec object with it is definitely a good goal | 15:57 |
| bauzas | dansmith: since I'm planning to build the spec object and then pass it to the filters | 15:57 |
| bauzas | dansmith: so the API for the filters would be def host_passes(spec_obj) | 15:57 |
| dansmith | oh, I see you mean the filters will expect it to be on the requestspec | 15:57 |
| bauzas | sorry def host_passes(host_state, spec_obj) | 15:57 |
| dansmith | AFAIK, the filter "API" is not stable, so we can just pass it to them in some other way, right? | 15:58 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: yeah, I could leave an ugly kwargs | 15:58 |
| dansmith | or, define some non-remotable helper on the object that caches the result, but doesn't persist it (or pass it over rpc) | 15:58 |
| dansmith | hang on, let me write something | 15:58 |
| bauzas | dansmith: oh I see | 15:59 |
| bauzas | dansmith: gotcha | 15:59 |
| bauzas | dansmith: a property then, not a fiedl | 15:59 |
| bauzas | dansmith: that way, there would be no persistence | 15:59 |
| dansmith | bauzas: http://pastebin.com/Ed74Qsvn | 16:00 |
| dansmith | bauzas: right, could be a method or a property.. method makes it a little more obvious as "something different" | 16:00 |
| bauzas | dansmith: I'm cool to see we're sharing the same thoughts | 16:00 |
| dansmith | then if you pass that over rpc, it just drops the crap cache, and never saves in the DB either | 16:00 |
| bauzas | yup | 16:00 |
| dansmith | then you can fix the in-tree filter that uses it and we ReleaseNotes that this has changed | 16:00 |
| bauzas | some objects do that, like instance | 16:00 |
| dansmith | yes | 16:00 |
| bauzas | cool, writing that down | 16:01 |
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| bauzas | I'll also do that for the context | 16:01 |
| bauzas | dansmith: FYI | 16:01 |
| dansmith | context? | 16:01 |
| edleafe | it would be interesting to see if any of the big operators (RAX, HP) actually use this to tweak how they choose hosts | 16:01 |
| bauzas | dansmith: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filter_scheduler.py#L124 is written but never read in-tree | 16:02 |
| dansmith | the object will already have a context | 16:02 |
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| dansmith | so just change anything that uses the context to grab it from the object | 16:02 |
| dansmith | or add an @property of "context" that does "return self._context" | 16:02 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: oh I didn't wrote something about storing a context | 16:02 |
| bauzas | dansmith: because atm the object is not persisted | 16:03 |
| dansmith | right, but that's fine.. | 16:03 |
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| dansmith | bah, pep8 | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Handle FlavorNotFound when augmenting migrated flavors https://review.openstack.org/187227 | 16:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make nova-manage handle completely missing flavor information https://review.openstack.org/187206 | 16:20 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I was getting ready to send an email about the mellanox failbot to the list. just to be sure, you haven't already done that, right? | 16:27 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: nope | 16:29 |
| dansmith | okay | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: compute: only use non_inheritable_image_properties if snapshotting https://review.openstack.org/187250 | 16:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: compute: remove get_image_metadata method https://review.openstack.org/187251 | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | russellb: pixelbeat: claudiub: can one of you take a look at this backport please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186505/ | 16:50 |
| claudiub | looking | 16:52 |
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| pixelbeat | mriedem, done | 16:55 |
| mriedem | thanks | 16:55 |
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| dims_ | alaski: melwitt: so we are looking at several oslo library releases tomorrow. the oslo.serialization one is likely to trip nova dsvm cells job. i have a review up if you have some time - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186522/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | dims_: thanks, will take a look in a bit | 17:00 |
| dansmith | dims_: that release will immediately break anyone deploying from master without that patch applied, right? | 17:01 |
| dims_ | alaski: here's how i tested it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186418/ | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mitsuhiro Tanino proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Handle mismatch of volume information between BDM and domain XML https://review.openstack.org/175067 | 17:01 |
| dims_ | dansmith: anyone using cells i think | 17:01 |
| dansmith | dims_: right | 17:02 |
| dansmith | dims_: that seems.. uncool? | 17:02 |
| mriedem | you could cap oslo.serialization < 2.0 in g-r https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L76 and then release as oslo.serialization 2.0 | 17:03 |
| alaski | this is an api change essentially, right? | 17:03 |
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| cfriesen | dansmith: I'm running into an issue with instance.save() overwriting instance.flavor with flavor info from instance.system_metadata. Looking at _maybe_upgrade_flavor(), do we never expect to have flavor info in instance.system_metadata as well as instance.flavor? (This is on a modified kilo-3.) | 17:04 |
| dims_ | alaski: no api change, change in the timestamp string on wire | 17:04 |
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| dansmith | cfriesen: right, the point of that is to migrate stuff from the old location (sysmeta) to the new location (extra) | 17:04 |
| dansmith | dims_: the wire protocol is an API | 17:04 |
| cfriesen | dansmith: okay. gotta figure out why I've still got stuff in the old location then. Problem is that it's got different extra-specs than the new location, so it's losing a bunch of extra-specs info. | 17:05 |
| cfriesen | entirely possible this is of our own making. :) | 17:06 |
| mriedem | dims_: also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148500/ has a -2 on it | 17:06 |
| mriedem | ? | 17:06 |
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| alaski | dims_: like dansmith said, the value coming out of the other end is now different | 17:08 |
| dims_ | mriedem: alaski: dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159892/ | 17:09 |
| dansmith | dims_: what does that document have to do with it? | 17:09 |
| dims_ | API working group guidelines | 17:09 |
| dims_ | that was part of the reason for the change | 17:10 |
| dansmith | that (a) has nothing to do with RPC APIs and (b) doesn't override our need to not break the world :D | 17:10 |
| alaski | I understand why we should update, I just wish that requirements were capped to < 2.0 as mriedem mentioned, and then release as 2.0 | 17:10 |
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| dims_ | "The cells feature of Nova is considered experimental by the OpenStack" | 17:11 |
| dims_ | right? | 17:11 |
| dansmith | yes, but breaking RAX, nectar, godaddy, CERN, etc is not okay just because of that, IMHO | 17:11 |
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| dims_ | dansmith: the identified change works both both older oslo.serialization lib and the new one yet to be released, so don't understand the concern | 17:12 |
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| dansmith | dims_: it changes the wire format, right? that means that you're breaking our live upgrade abilities spanning that change, right? | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | cfriesen: do watch out for the old sys_meta only being soft deleted, I had totally forgotten thats how it was going to work till I looked a bit closer | 17:13 |
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| dims_ | dansmith: no, the accepting code works with old or the new wire format. so no, we don't break upgrade | 17:14 |
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| dansmith | dims_: for people that have that code in place | 17:14 |
| dansmith | dims_: if we merge that in L and require/allow the new lib in L, then people can't migrate from K to L | 17:14 |
| dansmith | since their K deploys don't have that tolerance fix | 17:14 |
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| dansmith | right? | 17:15 |
| cfriesen | dansmith: johnthetubaguy: this only seems to bite us when using server groups (yay, more server groups issues.) | 17:15 |
| dansmith | cfriesen: not sure how that could be related... :) | 17:16 |
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| dims_ | alaski: hope you can confirm dansmith's question as you know more about who sends these messages and who consumes it | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims_: I am +1 dansmith on that waiting to K, FWIW, at least if I understand the question correctly | 17:17 |
| dims_ | dansmith: honestly this is why i brought it up before we cut release so we can talk about it and hold things off if needed | 17:17 |
| dansmith | ...and we know nectar uses cells and live upgrades, in case that's an argument to be made :) | 17:18 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: you mean M? | 17:18 |
| dansmith | dims_: cool | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: sorry, yes, +1 basically | 17:18 |
| cfriesen | dansmith: working theory is that the server group stuff (possibly something we tweaked) is causing the system_metadata to get written | 17:18 |
| dims_ | johnthetubaguy: i'd wait for alaski's view on the actual impact withouth guessing | 17:18 |
| dansmith | dims_: I'm not guessing, but happy to have alaski agree :) | 17:18 |
| alaski | so assuming this only breaks cells code, I think it will be ok in practice. because we require cells to be updated all at once | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: you do, but nectar doesn't | 17:19 |
| alaski | then they would break | 17:20 |
| dansmith | but I'm really -2 on breaking us even theoretically | 17:20 |
| dims_ | dansmith: who can i talk to for nectar? | 17:20 |
| alaski | right, I think it's really luck that it doesn't break more than it does | 17:20 |
| alaski | dims_: sam morrison, though I don't know his irc nick | 17:21 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: so if you're cool, I'll -2 the change that lets nova pass with the breaking library until we have a requirements sync that bans <2 and that change gets released as 2.0 | 17:21 |
| dansmith | dims_: nectar is the example we know about | 17:21 |
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| dansmith | dims_: if we know this is breaking, we shouldn't do it regardless, because of the deploys out there that we *can't* pre-verify with | 17:21 |
| dansmith | full stop. | 17:21 |
| alaski | at a simpler level, jsonutils.to_primitive() now returns something different than it did previously | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, that feels bad... | 17:23 |
| alaski | it's an api change, and with the way we have requirements set now there's not a safe way to do that | 17:23 |
| dansmith | it's really not even something a library should do in a major version, IMHO | 17:23 |
| dansmith | without a new call and a deprecation cycle at a minimum | 17:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims_: can we express this in the form of changing a default parameter? | 17:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if we could isolate ourselves from the change for a release, then it stops us bugging you | 17:24 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: remember, this affects the already-installed code | 17:25 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: so we would still need a cycle to deploy that change before we could change the behavior | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I am thinking we dial back to the old behaviour explicitly | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we need to break, then get the new default param, require the new param, then use it, yuck... | 17:25 |
| dansmith | oh, so that we send the old version you mean? | 17:25 |
| dansmith | it's still ugly | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, send the old version for a release | 17:26 |
| dansmith | a multi-cycle task we have to track | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: as you said, its fairly ugly, to say the least | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we should stop using timeutils to generate our output, thats probably better in a way, so we "own" the output more, but obviously bad for DRY | 17:27 |
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| dansmith | well, | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, there is no way this is not slightly messy | 17:27 |
| dansmith | that is wrapped up in the call to serialize a bunch of stuff right now, yes? | 17:27 |
| dansmith | we could try to pre-filter/fix it but,,, | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ...oh, old versions that get the upgrade | 17:28 |
| dansmith | I see no reason to complicate this.. the way we handle these things is merge the more tolerant thing and then tighten in the next release | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right, its our usual approach, and its simple (ish), and proven | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: that involves ensuring we emit the same output for a release, presumably, which is where its tricky I guess | 17:30 |
| melwitt | is this a thing that would get handled if we sent objects over the wire instead first? if we were to bump object version for a time format change? | 17:30 |
| dims_ | dansmith: even in that case, you should accept this change i submitted which would be tolerant to both old and new and still fight for oslo.serialization cap in g-r. no? | 17:30 |
| dansmith | dims_: I just want to see it released as 2.0, and us capped at <2.0 first, but yes | 17:31 |
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| dims_ | ack. dansmith | 17:33 |
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| alaski | +1 to both of you | 17:33 |
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| alaski | dims_: I'm +2 on your change in Nova, but things can/will break in the field with an oslo release | 17:34 |
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| dims_ | alaski: ack and thanks | 17:35 |
| dansmith | alaski: mind if I -2 it whilst we wait for this to actually land as 2.0 ? | 17:35 |
| dansmith | don't want it getting merged accidentally | 17:35 |
| alaski | I don't mind, but what's the concern? that an oslo release wouldn't fail tests? | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | melwitt: good point, that cells stuff should really move to serialised objects rather than primitives, I guess | 17:36 |
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| dansmith | the ordering has to be correct | 17:36 |
| dansmith | we want the <2.0 pin to land before this I think | 17:37 |
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| dansmith | because if we land this, and someone deploys it before the pin lands, | 17:37 |
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| dansmith | then they release 2.0, that deployer will use 2.0 and potentially fail mid-upgrade instead of immediately | 17:38 |
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| alaski | ahh, you want to fail fast | 17:38 |
| alaski | makes sense | 17:39 |
| alaski | I'm fine with a -2, but it's good that it's out in case someone wants to pull it down themselves | 17:40 |
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| dansmith | I -W'd it to avoid you taking the disagreement hit and because I know dims_ will honor the unsticky vote :) | 17:40 |
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| dims_ | dansmith: waiting for dhellmann to be back from lunch. what you propose makes sense to me | 17:41 |
| dansmith | cool | 17:41 |
| dansmith | dims_: kudos for bringing it up before just pushing the button :) | 17:41 |
| alaski | yes, thanks for that | 17:42 |
| dims_ | let's see what else breaks...haha | 17:42 |
| dims_ | but seriously, i am trying nova unit tests as well (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186413/) against oslo master | 17:43 |
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| lxsli | I'm getting this error from the nova-specs tests, on a line which is only 49 chars long! | 17:45 |
| lxsli | Line limited to a maximum of 79 characters. | 17:45 |
| lxsli | it's the first line of an asciiflow diagram, any ideas please? | 17:45 |
| edleafe | lxsli: trailing whitespace? | 17:45 |
| lxsli | Nope | 17:46 |
| edleafe | lxsli: and no multibyte chars if it's asciiflow, so hmmmm... | 17:46 |
| lxsli | adding print statements... | 17:46 |
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| lxsli | edleafe: prize for you, apparently it does export multibyte chars! | 17:49 |
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| lxsli | for whitespace of all things | 17:49 |
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| edleafe | lxsli: ??? And they call themselves 'asciiflow'? :) | 17:49 |
| lxsli | :%s/ / /g | 17:49 |
| melwitt | I was thinking we should consider a novaclient release this week because of a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1457100 | 17:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457100 in python-designateclient "pbr version conflict" [Undecided,New] | 17:51 |
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| mriedem | melwitt: probably not a bad idea. if i can get off my ass and cleanup these patches for deprecating the volume APIs/CLIs we need to do a release for that anyway | 18:01 |
| devananda | dansmith: there's some of "find what I want" in addition to "create what I want" -- so this is what Ironic has proposed with the capabilities stuff AIUI. could you explain the problem? | 18:02 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | that's sort of what we want to achieve with the passthrouh extra specs too. | 18:03 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | we "find what I want" with other filters and "create what I want" with the passthrough info | 18:03 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | johnthetubaguy: ^ | 18:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: I am about to run off for the day I am afraid | 18:04 |
| dansmith | devananda: I am waiting for a meeting to start, so getting into it now isn't going to work | 18:05 |
| devananda | dansmith: ack. I'll be around on and off for the next couple hours | 18:05 |
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| dansmith | devananda: numa does specify some resources that are not just create-able, but the definition for it is strict | 18:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was hoping to link to the etherpad form the summit session, but not sure I did a great job of taking notes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-flavors-and-image-properties | 18:06 |
| dansmith | devananda: unlike the "pass all this goo through to the driver" | 18:06 |
| dansmith | which is just a total non-starter for us, IMHO | 18:06 |
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| devananda | dansmith: got a link to said strict definition? | 18:06 |
| dansmith | devananda: sadly it's extremely obscure, but let me look | 18:07 |
| gabriel-bezerra | johnthetubaguy: you are in UTC, right? | 18:08 |
| devananda | from your POV, I can certainly understand objecting to a complete and unfiltered passthru. frankly, I'm not thrilled by it in Ironic either, and have been encouraging folks to standardize on what the "capabilities" are | 18:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: well UK, so UTC+1 right now I guess | 18:08 |
| dansmith | definitely not a good example of what to do, but it's much better than a passthrough namespace | 18:08 |
| gabriel-bezerra | johnthetubaguy: ok | 18:08 |
| dansmith | devananda: http://archive.thoughtsoncloud.com/2014/08/openstack-numa-placement/ | 18:08 |
| devananda | essentially, I wanteach Ironic driver to expose the set of capabilities it supports so that it is, at least, discoverable via the API -- even if it varies per driver (or per node) | 18:08 |
| dansmith | devananda: I think that numa string is far too complex to be encoded in a key=value string store | 18:08 |
| devananda | yikes | 18:09 |
| devananda | no kidding | 18:09 |
| dansmith | so like I said, not a good example of what to do, but at least it's a somewhat less flexible resource sort of thing | 18:10 |
| dansmith | i.e. you can't just create two numa nodes anywhere you want | 18:10 |
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| devananda | dansmith: yea ... i think I need to think about this some more | 18:12 |
| devananda | also, i need to get food | 18:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: devananda: its possible hiding the mess in Ironic specific config could be a middle ground, at least while the other infrastructure is put in place, although I couldn't quite see if that would help, or make everything much worse, after giving the spec a quick read | 18:13 |
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| dansmith | yeah, I think that's too static for them, | 18:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | (given a compute node only works for a subset of ironic resources) | 18:13 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: except it's not config-based. the proposal is to add metadata to flavors | 18:13 |
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| dansmith | because it implies that only one type of machine is hosted by a given compute | 18:13 |
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| devananda | dansmith: right | 18:14 |
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| dansmith | which they heartily nak'd at summit, IIRC :) | 18:14 |
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| devananda | johnthetubaguy: so all that "map one compute node to a set of ironic resources" discussion -- we dont actually HAVE that | 18:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: yeah, very true. | 18:14 |
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| devananda | even if we did, it wouldn't solve this | 18:15 |
| dansmith | the idea of a base flavor plus "options" like jaypipes described is really the generic model for things like this I th ink | 18:15 |
| devananda | the issue is that each ironic node can be customized at instance-creation-time | 18:15 |
| mriedem | melwitt: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1457100 a thing where you have newer pbr and it blows up with latest released novaclient? and if so, which version of pbr? | 18:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457100 in python-designateclient "pbr version conflict" [Undecided,New] | 18:15 |
| mriedem | 1.0? | 18:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | devananda: ah, OK, I had missed that bit somehow | 18:15 |
| dansmith | devananda: I think you need to enumerate the customizations so we can even wrap our heads around something we could model in a simpler way in the short term | 18:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: I remember that coming up though, no you remind me | 18:16 |
| devananda | all the concrete proposals for this today involve a fixed amount of cpou/ram/disk, but variable properties around that, eg. what degree of hw security to enforce, what power mgmt profile to use, etc | 18:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 some explicit examples would be great | 18:16 |
| devananda | examples ^ :) | 18:16 |
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| devananda | capabilities:boot_mode = [ legacy, uefi, secure, txt ] | 18:16 |
| dansmith | the fixed cpu/disk thing should be covered by existing flavors, no? | 18:16 |
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| devananda | capabilities:power_mode = [ performance, cost_saving, green ] | 18:17 |
| dansmith | devananda: boot mode is a thing that you can set with kvm, so you should be able to share that flag with them | 18:17 |
| devananda | dansmith: oh neat | 18:17 |
| thiagop | devananda: I think I can help with that | 18:17 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: thanks. catch you later | 18:17 |
| dansmith | power mode is probably not a thing | 18:17 |
| dansmith | unfortunately, the desire/decision/whatever to not have people talk directly to ironic means that you have to get in the nova queue for modeling things | 18:18 |
| dansmith | it would be much easier if people could create a request ticket in ironic with all these things and then just hand that to nova so that the ironic driver could say "they pre-reserved this, please give me one of $these" | 18:19 |
| dansmith | like neutron pre-port-create | 18:19 |
| devananda | that's interesting | 18:19 |
| thiagop | dansmith: our main use case is something like "given a pool of servers in a configurable enclosure, if I'm about to launch a baremetal instance in one of these servers, I need to configure it with the correct network that matches the ironic provision network" | 18:19 |
| devananda | thiagop: huh? that should be handled by neutron ... not flavors! | 18:20 |
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| thiagop | I mean, "attach the correct cable" | 18:21 |
| gabriel-bezerra | nowadays with flat network only, network is part of the pre-boot-configuration | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | John Garbutt proposed openstack/nova-specs: Add liberty priorities https://review.openstack.org/187272 | 18:21 |
| thiagop | if you know what I mean | 18:21 |
| melwitt | mriedem: it blows up for people who are also installing auth plugins (rax novaclient) and it blows up with pbr 1.0.1 when it tries to load the plugins. downgrading to pbr 0.11.0 is the workaround. I don't understand how (even a no-op auth plugin) ends up with a requirement for pbr <1.0 | 18:21 |
| devananda | jroll: wdyt of "ironic reserve $description; nova boot --using-reserved-stuff $stuff" | 18:21 |
| gabriel-bezerra | but networking is not the only thing in it. | 18:21 |
| devananda | thiagop: gabriel-bezerra: sure. but there's ongoing work to address that, and Neutron *should* be used to do that. not nova flavors. | 18:22 |
| dhellmann | dims_, dansmith : is this 2.0 cap dance something we expect to do this cycle, or are we talking about a multi-cycle effort? | 18:22 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: we can't uncap it until after L | 18:22 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: ok, that's what I thought. | 18:22 |
| devananda | anyhow, i need to relocate and find food. bbiah | 18:22 |
| devananda | dansmith: thanks for the chat. interesting ideas... | 18:23 |
| jroll | devananda: without reading scrollback, $description being a node or? | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | dims_: so we need to revert the change in oslo.serialization, or we can't release any new versions of it this cycle | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | dims_: we can talk about that in #openstack-oslo | 18:23 |
| Nisha | devananda, what would be description here? | 18:23 |
| Nisha | dansmith, devananda does it mean apply to all the ironic nodes? | 18:23 |
| dansmith | jroll: Nisha: description would be a transient entity that collects all the special requirements you have for the ironic instance you're going to ask nova to boot | 18:24 |
| Nisha | I am not sure how to compare it equivalent to flavors | 18:24 |
| gabriel-bezerra | devananda: I agree with you. We just don't have such integration with Neutron working right now and so it is part of what is in the bucket of the flavor. | 18:24 |
| Nisha | dansmith, IMO the scenario is something like | 18:24 |
| Nisha | say we have 10 ironic nodes, few capable of one capability | 18:25 |
| jroll | dansmith: hrm, interesting | 18:25 |
| Nisha | few capable of others | 18:25 |
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| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: it's going to take longer to convince people to hack flavors than it would take to do this the "right" way | 18:25 |
| Nisha | so with current model, it selects the node as given in flavor | 18:25 |
| gabriel-bezerra | devananda: actually, it is hidden behind the flavor. | 18:25 |
| Nisha | now how will we handle this with above approach | 18:26 |
| Nisha | i am just trying to understand | 18:26 |
| gabriel-bezerra | jroll: the point is that the networking is just a bad example, but we have a lot more to configure there. | 18:26 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: yeah, I understand the other cases :) | 18:26 |
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| Nisha | dansmith, ^^^ | 18:26 |
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| dansmith | Nisha: not sure what you're looking for from me.. I don't know the details of your requirements anyway, I'm just trying to help you guys be in control of your own complex modeling without trying to make nova own it | 18:28 |
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| Nisha | dansmith, i agree i am trying to understand the idea given by you...actually i liked it but dont know if that applies to single node or it applies to all ironic nodes a conductor is handling | 18:30 |
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| Nisha | dansmith, with ur above proposal/idea nova will select one node always? | 18:31 |
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| dansmith | I guess the problem with that idea is that nova may select a node that isn't compatible with the pre-request | 18:33 |
| Nisha | dansmith, here i assume that "pre-request" is assumed to contain what ever we give in flavor today? | 18:34 |
| dansmith | no | 18:34 |
| dansmith | it contains the extra things you want to be able to represent, like "power_mode=green" | 18:34 |
| thiagop | Nisha: I think dansmith 's ideia is to make things like "Ironic, store these configs with this name that nova will call you later asking for a node with *some* size and these configs" | 18:35 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:35 |
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| Nisha | dansmith, i meant capabilities here by flavor | 18:35 |
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| Nisha | thiagop, i think i still dont understand..:( but i would like to explore this | 18:37 |
| thiagop | dansmith: I think I need to mature this ideia a bit, but I'd like you to think about our main need too | 18:37 |
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| dansmith | thiagop: the problem with your generic need is that nova's API consumers become knowledgeable and dependent on behaviors in your driver that don't apply elsewhere and which you can break on our behalf | 18:38 |
| wanyen | dansmith & Nisha, I joined late therefore I did not see the discussion. However, it sounds to me that there are two different scenarios. One is to support node capability key with multiple possible values (Nisah's specs), the other is to be able to pass config ( not scheduling) info via nova boot to ironic. | 18:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | wanyen: the latter is our case | 18:39 |
| wanyen | gabriel-bezerra: yes. It seems to me that way as well | 18:40 |
| wanyen | however, we still need support of a node capability key that can have multiple key values. | 18:40 |
| Nisha | gabriel-bezerra, the latter is not proposed in my specs | 18:40 |
| gabriel-bezerra | Nisha: the latter is in ours: https://review.openstack.org/186536 | 18:41 |
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| wanyen | Nisah, canyou post your spec links? | 18:42 |
| Nisha | yes | 18:42 |
| Nisha | #lik https://review.openstack.org/182572 | 18:42 |
| Nisha | #link https://review.openstack.org/182581 | 18:42 |
| thiagop | let me just throw some more stuff into the table: the network example seems trivial, but my point here is that the server isn't dedicated to the cloud. If a instance is scheduled to be runned on that node, the server needs to be configured by the IMS to enter in the "cloud network" | 18:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Berrange proposed openstack/nova: compute: remove get_image_metadata method https://review.openstack.org/187251 | 18:44 |
| Nisha | one spec is for enhancing ironic virt driver to understand a capability with multiple values | 18:44 |
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| Nisha | the other one is to add a new filter which is executed after ComputeCapabilities filter and will apply only few operators may be just exact match of the values and not all the operators which computecapability uses | 18:46 |
| Nisha | gabriel-bezerra, ^^^ | 18:46 |
| wanyen | We need ComputeCapabilitites filter to support key with multiple possible values, for instance, boot mode=[bios, uefi] or boot_option=[local, netboot] | 18:47 |
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| Nisha | dansmith, ++ to what wanyen said | 18:48 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: I don't get the point in dependency on behaviours of our driver being bad. I mean: if I get a brand new computer architecture, for instance, very driver specific, I cannot leverage its capabilities through nova because no one else has such computer architecture? | 18:50 |
| dansmith | gabriel-bezerra: let me generalize this: | 18:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: if we look at amazon flavors, they have different classes for different needs, driver specific points -- having a gpu, for example. | 18:51 |
| dansmith | gabriel-bezerra: if you have a direct path to communicate with the virt driver from the REST API, then nova is not doing its job, IMHO | 18:51 |
| jaypipes | flaper87: ya, no worries. | 18:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: but that's not a direct path. the flavor would represent something to the user, we just need the driver to inform what the user picked. | 18:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: in our case, it is represented by an id that the driver should read to pick a bunch of configuration options. | 18:54 |
| Nisha | dansmith, i agree with gabriel-bezerra | 18:54 |
| dansmith | you create and adjust the flavor from the API | 18:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: the part of checking compatibility is already achieved using the so many other filters that nova-scheduler already has | 18:55 |
| dansmith | admins are users of the API too, and we keep the API stable for them as well | 18:55 |
| dansmith | I have to jump to a call where I actually have to pay attention now | 18:55 |
| dansmith | but feel free to continue discussing without me :) | 18:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | you are the only nova-side person in this discussion now. | 18:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | me, Nisha and wanyen seem to agree | 18:56 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dansmith: we can leave it for later. what timezone are you in? | 18:57 |
| dansmith | gabriel-bezerra: PDT, but johnthetubaguy is in .eu and he needs to be a part of it | 18:57 |
| dansmith | I'm just one (loud) voice :) | 18:57 |
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| thiagop | dansmith: Thanks for your feedback. We'll continue this somehow later and reach a reasonable solution. | 19:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Lavalle proposed openstack/nova-specs: Integrate DNS resolution with Neutron using Nova hostname https://review.openstack.org/90150 | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Pipes proposed openstack/nova: libvirt: Remove unnecessary JSON conversions https://review.openstack.org/177437 | 19:14 |
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| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: hi, you and I talked in Vancouver about point 4 in the 'Priority' section of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-network. The corresponding spec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90150/. I have responded to your concerns for the previous patchset in Gerrit. Hopefully we can get it approved now | 19:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Brown proposed openstack/nova: Use oslo_config choices support https://review.openstack.org/158573 | 19:20 |
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| dims_ | browne: upating your bandit review? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179566/ | 19:23 |
| browne | yep, working on it. trying to scope the list of tests to an appropriate set | 19:24 |
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| dims_ | thanks | 19:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/nova: Fix nova backup for volume-backed instance https://review.openstack.org/164494 | 19:38 |
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| mriedem | sdague: hey, i was reading back on the bug report that added this option: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/wsgi.py#n74 wsgi_keep_alive | 19:58 |
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| mriedem | it defaults to True for backwards compatibility, but it sounds like it's recommended to run with that as False | 19:58 |
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| sdague | mriedem: it's a potential DOS vector | 19:59 |
| mriedem | sdague: i was thinking about updating the config help there to add some more detail but i'm not sure exactly how to word it - i think we're hitting an issue in HA testing where we have a 15 minute delay between rabbitmq nodes going down because client_socket_timeout defaults to 900 seconds (15 minutes) and wsgi_keep_alive is True | 20:00 |
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| sdague | no, it shouldn't be related to that | 20:00 |
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| sdague | this is keep alive in eventlet to rest clients | 20:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Brown proposed openstack/nova: Add bandit for security static analysis testing https://review.openstack.org/179566 | 20:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/186935 | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Handle FlavorNotFound when augmenting migrated flavors https://review.openstack.org/187227 | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova: Make nova-manage handle completely missing flavor information https://review.openstack.org/187206 | 21:06 |
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| nic | I can't find anything in the chat room history, is this known about? When running tox: | 23:07 |
| nic | File "nova/api/ec2/__init__.py", line 36, in <module> | 23:07 |
| nic | from nova.api.ec2 import apirequest | 23:07 |
| nic | ImportError: cannot import name apirequest | 23:07 |
| nic | The test run didn't actually run any tests | 23:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Earle F. Philhower, III proposed openstack/nova: Add support for HGST Solutions volumes to libvirt https://review.openstack.org/186594 | 23:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Earle F. Philhower, III proposed openstack/nova: Add support for HGST Solutions volumes to libvirt https://review.openstack.org/186594 | 23:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/186935 | 23:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Earle F. Philhower, III proposed openstack/nova: Add support for HGST Solutions volumes to libvirt https://review.openstack.org/186594 | 23:33 |
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| dims___ | dansmith: we've done the oslo.serialization revert (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187306/) please unblock https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186522/ when you get a chance. | 23:34 |
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| vilobhmm1 | dansmith : ping | 23:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Add and use raise_feature_not_supported() https://review.openstack.org/163697 | 23:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/nova: Add a hacking rule for consistent HTTP501 message https://review.openstack.org/163698 | 23:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: Get rid of oslo-incubator copy of middleware https://review.openstack.org/187352 | 23:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/nova: Use oslo-config-generator instead of generate_sample.sh https://review.openstack.org/180013 | 23:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack/nova: Make disk migrations RBD-aware / RBD-friendly https://review.openstack.org/187395 | 23:51 |
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