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zhenguo | morning nimble | 01:27 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng, yuntongjin, liusheng, shihanzhang, luyao, Kevin_Zheng, kevinz: we will start our weekly meeting at 10am, please feel free to add agenda here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nimble#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 01:34 |
openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/nimble: [Do Not Merge] testing tempest https://review.openstack.org/401820 | 01:36 |
openstackgerrit | gecong proposed openstack/nimble: Update flake8 ignore list https://review.openstack.org/401823 | 01:50 |
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zhenguo | #startmeeting nimble | 02:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 24 02:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nimble' | 02:00 |
zhenguo | o/ | 02:00 |
lei-zh | o/ | 02:01 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng, yuntongjin: are you around? | 02:01 |
shihanzhang | o/ | 02:02 |
yuntongjin | hi | 02:02 |
liusheng | o/ | 02:02 |
zhenguo | the agenda: | 02:02 |
zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nimble#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:02 |
zhenguo | ok, let's jump in | 02:03 |
zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
zhenguo | Our initial tempest patch has been merged yesterday | 02:03 |
zhenguo | and the infras dsvm gate has been seup as well | 02:03 |
zhenguo | thanks liusheng | 02:04 |
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zhenguo | but seems there are something wrong with the devstack setup there according to the logs of my test patch | 02:04 |
zhenguo | #link http://logs.openstack.org/20/401820/1/check/gate-nimble-dsvm-tempest-plugin/4464112/logs/ | 02:05 |
zhenguo | so currently our gate is broken :( | 02:05 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: hi | 02:05 |
liusheng | zhenguo: :( | 02:05 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:05 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we don't need the devstack gate hook anymore right? | 02:06 |
RuiChen | o/ | 02:07 |
liusheng | zhenguo: I don't think it need, I have referenced other project's | 02:07 |
zhenguo | RuiChen: hi | 02:07 |
RuiChen | sorry, i'm late | 02:07 |
zhenguo | RuiChen: np | 02:07 |
RuiChen | so we start? | 02:07 |
zhenguo | RuiChen: sure, haha | 02:07 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, so we can cleanup that hook script | 02:08 |
RuiChen | please go ahead :-) | 02:08 |
liusheng | zhenguo: which one ? | 02:08 |
liusheng | zhenguo: oh I see | 02:08 |
zhenguo | nimble/devstack/gate/ | 02:08 |
zhenguo | liusheng: but without that, we can't control which services are enabled | 02:09 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I read the currently dsvm logs, seems it setup all services | 02:09 |
liusheng | zhenguo: I will check | 02:10 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok thanks | 02:10 |
zhenguo | and we still need to add more tests including UT and functional | 02:10 |
zhenguo | especially for api and engine | 02:10 |
zhenguo | who are still working on tests now? | 02:11 |
yuntongjin | we could have a wiki/list to track test-case task | 02:12 |
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yuntongjin | or have a blueprint to track | 02:12 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: seems like there will be many test cases | 02:12 |
zhenguo | yuntong: I'm afraid it's hard to list all :( | 02:13 |
yuntongjin | can list by resource like instance/type.... | 02:13 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: yes, we already list by place them into different dir now | 02:14 |
yuntongjin | k, that works | 02:14 |
liusheng | zhenguo: about the tempest, I think it is easy to add tests for instance_type, but for instance, I am not sure... | 02:14 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, recently I merged the refactor patch | 02:14 |
zhenguo | liusheng: It will affect all instances related tests | 02:15 |
liusheng | zhenguo: e.g. if we add test for instance creation, it is ok to create an instance from nimble-api to ironic ? | 02:15 |
liusheng | zhenguo: Ok | 02:15 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I think it's ok, because our current devstack setup can support that | 02:16 |
liusheng | zhenguo: ok, let's try :) | 02:16 |
zhenguo | liusheng: you can just add tests for creating with the parameters we create in devstack by default | 02:16 |
liusheng | zhenguo: ok, thanks | 02:16 |
zhenguo | ok, so next, seems like we still lack the basic abilities of powering instance in our CLI | 02:17 |
zhenguo | RuiChen, shihanzhang: do we have a plan for that ? | 02:18 |
shihanzhang | i will do it next week | 02:18 |
zhenguo | shihanzhang: ok, many thanks :) | 02:19 |
zhenguo | the contribution report: | 02:19 |
zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/nimble/90 | 02:19 |
zhenguo | thanks all for that :P | 02:20 |
zhenguo | not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:20 |
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zhenguo | ok | 02:21 |
zhenguo | #topic Ocata feature priorities | 02:21 |
zhenguo | #link https://trello.com/b/FBsIvUTp/ironic-nimble-plan | 02:21 |
zhenguo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nimble | 02:22 |
zhenguo | really so many things to do | 02:22 |
zhenguo | but seems we only have about 3 developers full time dedicated to nimble now, which is less than we startup :( | 02:22 |
liusheng | zhenguo: :( | 02:23 |
liusheng | zhenguo: attract new comers in Bug Smash :) | 02:24 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I hope so, hah | 02:24 |
zhenguo | or maybe we can add some simple bug on launchpad to attract new developers? | 02:24 |
zhenguo | but we are not a offical project, seems nobody want to join to a new startup project :( | 02:25 |
liusheng | zhenguo: new startup project can make them easy to become core members, hah | 02:26 |
zhenguo | liusheng: hah, that' true | 02:26 |
zhenguo | maybe we can announce a new core member in mailing list, that seems the best way to attract new developers, lol | 02:27 |
liusheng | zhenguo: which day we want to announce our project to public ? | 02:28 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I would to do that by this week | 02:28 |
zhenguo | do you still have any concerns about that | 02:28 |
zhenguo | ? | 02:28 |
liusheng | zhenguo: no, it is cool, I will check the tempest job and fix it today | 02:30 |
zhenguo | liusheng: thanks a lot? | 02:30 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: do you still have some concerns? | 02:30 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin, RuiChen: wdyt? | 02:31 |
zhenguo | ok | 02:32 |
zhenguo | next week I plan to finish az and quota, | 02:32 |
zhenguo | and do you think which is the highest priority thing we need to do? | 02:33 |
yuntongjin | zhenguo: i think it's the announcement | 02:33 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: ok | 02:34 |
zhenguo | come on, please say something here, @everyone | 02:34 |
liusheng | zhenguo: may we can share some docs about Nimble besides the Wiki, but I am not sure we have | 02:35 |
yuntongjin | i was think to add network device in nimble as new resource | 02:35 |
liusheng | zhenguo: when announcing the project | 02:35 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we only have a dev-quickstart doc currently | 02:35 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: yes, I also want to add that | 02:36 |
yuntongjin | great, will file a BP for that | 02:36 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: ok, thanks, and maybe we need to add a specs, and discuss there, wdyt? | 02:36 |
zhenguo | as we support to specify port type when requesting to create a new instance, but no way to scheduling a node with that type of network interfaces | 02:37 |
yuntongjin | do we have a BP for this task? | 02:38 |
zhenguo | it's unaccepatable, and we also want to support portgroup in future, which also depends on the network resources | 02:38 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: no | 02:38 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: can you help to add a bp for that, or maybe also draft a specs :) | 02:39 |
yuntongjin | will do | 02:39 |
zhenguo | yuntong: thanks very much! | 02:39 |
zhenguo | ok, what's next | 02:39 |
zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:39 |
luyao | zhen | 02:40 |
zhenguo | luyao: hi | 02:40 |
zhenguo | luyao: I remember you have been investigating taskflow this week, right? | 02:40 |
luyao | yes,I have something to do last week | 02:41 |
zhenguo | luyao: how about that? could we introduce flow work in our create method | 02:41 |
luyao | I want add rollback mechanism for creating intsance this week | 02:42 |
zhenguo | luyao: awsome! | 02:42 |
zhenguo | luyao: I have refactored some codes, please update you dev repo to see | 02:42 |
luyao | I 'am not sure,I need trying :) | 02:42 |
luyao | OK | 02:42 |
zhenguo | luyao: ok, thanks | 02:42 |
zhenguo | hi all, do you have other things want to discuss here? | 02:43 |
yuntongjin | luyao: add a BP for your task so that everyone can contribute | 02:43 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: oh yes, thanks for remindering that! | 02:44 |
zhenguo | kevinz: are you around? | 02:44 |
luyao | yuntongjin: OK | 02:45 |
yuntongjin | next step, after annoucement, let's keep focus on killer feature | 02:45 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: sure | 02:45 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: do you think it's easy for us to add instance transfer ability? | 02:45 |
yuntongjin | like ironic did? | 02:46 |
kevinz | zhenguo: Hi zhenguo I'm here just now :D | 02:46 |
zhenguo | kevinz: oh, hah | 02:46 |
zhenguo | yuntongjing: like cinder volume | 02:46 |
yuntongjin | k, i see | 02:46 |
zhenguo | kevinz: do you have some suggestion for us, like do we need to add more docs? | 02:47 |
yuntongjin | transfer b/w tenenats? | 02:47 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: yes | 02:47 |
zhenguo | kevinz: as we want to announce the project in mainling list this week, not sure if we are ready | 02:48 |
yuntongjin | try file a BP to discuss, i prefer it's a low P task | 02:48 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: yes | 02:48 |
kevinz | zhenguo: Wow cool, push nimble to big-tent? | 02:48 |
zhenguo | kevinz: no, not ready for big-tent, just announce in the mailing list :P | 02:49 |
yuntongjin | should pay more focus on feature that related HW | 02:49 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: we are open source, lol | 02:49 |
yuntongjin | kevinz: that's the plan | 02:49 |
yuntongjin | HW = Hardware 8-) | 02:50 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: oh, sorry, I misunderstood, lol | 02:51 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: I think it means huawei, hah | 02:51 |
yuntongjin | my bat | 02:51 |
yuntongjin | my bad | 02:51 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: hah | 02:51 |
zhenguo | oh, any other things want to discuss here? | 02:52 |
yuntongjin | not much from here | 02:53 |
kevinz | good luck to nimble :D | 02:53 |
zhenguo | kevinz: thanks | 02:53 |
zhenguo | do you think notifications should be a high priority thing for us now? | 02:54 |
zhenguo | notifications of nimble, or leveraing ironic's notifications | 02:54 |
yuntongjin | i don't think so | 02:55 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I'm back | 02:55 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:55 |
zhenguo | yuntongjin: ok, maybe later | 02:55 |
yuntongjin | focus on hardware feature | 02:55 |
RuiChen | agree with yuntongjin, notification should not be high | 02:56 |
shaohe_feng | RuiChen: do we have a priority list? | 02:56 |
zhenguo | RuiChen, yuntongjin: ok, but we need to consider charging in future | 02:56 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: not cureently | 02:57 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: do we need spec for the BP? | 02:57 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: for new bp, I think we can try to use specs | 02:58 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: but for some thing easy to implement seems not needed | 02:58 |
RuiChen | yes, and we can discuss details in the comments | 02:58 |
zhenguo | yes, and we need to file bugs for patches | 02:59 |
zhenguo | should follow the offical way | 02:59 |
RuiChen | zhenguo agree, but we should give a exact describe in blueprint | 03:00 |
zhenguo | RuiChen: seems not, just some summarize it's enough IMO | 03:00 |
RuiChen | i means if we don't parpere a spec for BP | 03:01 |
zhenguo | RuiChen: oh, yes, it's needed for those bps | 03:01 |
zhenguo | oh, seems time's up | 03:01 |
zhenguo | thanks everyone, we can continue to discuss in our channel | 03:01 |
zhenguo | #endmeeting | 03:02 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 24 03:02:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:02 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nimble/2016/nimble.2016-11-24-02.00.html | 03:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nimble/2016/nimble.2016-11-24-02.00.txt | 03:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nimble/2016/nimble.2016-11-24-02.00.log.html | 03:02 |
RuiChen | thanks | 03:02 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: what is instance transfer ability? | 03:08 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: like you can transfer a instance from one tenant to another | 03:08 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: only admins can do this | 03:09 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: got it. | 03:09 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: like we want to import active node to nimble, then I think we need to transfer it to a tenant | 03:10 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes, that's the scenario. | 03:11 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, like volume, we can also to import exist volume to cinder | 03:11 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: for the existed instance in nimble, do we allow transfer? | 03:12 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: I think we should support that | 03:13 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: is there a scenario? | 03:14 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: for example, a instance belong to one tenant. | 03:14 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: there may be some tenant's data on it | 03:15 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: like in a private cloud senario, we may have many departments each have a separate tenant, support transfer seems it's more convinient to management | 03:15 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes, admin instance to another tenant, another tenant still need the user/password or keys to logon the host. | 03:16 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: seem OK. | 03:17 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, but it's more complex to transfer a instance than a volume | 03:17 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: sorry, I didn't finish the az api yesterday :( | 03:18 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: seems we only need a single list api | 03:19 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: but unlike nova, cinder, and neutron, our az is offered by ironic node, so I think we can list az by filtering the cached nodes in nimble engine | 03:21 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Do worry. I think we do not need rush, we need quality goods. | 03:24 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: sure | 03:34 |
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openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/nimble: WIP: fix gate https://review.openstack.org/401865 | 06:07 |
zhenguo | liusheng: thanks for fix the devstack | 06:12 |
zhenguo | liusheng: not sure why we have a check like "$KEYSTONE_CATALOG_BACKEND" = 'sql' before creating the endpoint | 06:13 |
liusheng | zhenguo: hmmm, I am also not sure, I have asked shihanzhang, he said just copied from other project... | 06:14 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok, let's see whether it works | 06:15 |
shihanzhang | i agree with liusheng, we should remove the check | 06:16 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: seems it works, but we still have some problems with ironic tempest configuration | 06:37 |
liusheng | zhenguo: do you know if ironic need to create a flavor named baremetal ? | 06:37 |
zhenguo | liusheng: seems it's a required if tempest enabled | 06:38 |
zhenguo | liusheng: and that depends on nova | 06:38 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes, we need to create the flavor in nimble's script ? | 06:39 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes | 06:39 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I don't think we need to do that | 06:39 |
zhenguo | liusheng: but for ironic+nova, it's created on nova script? | 06:40 |
liusheng | zhenguo: it is strange, it is ok several days ago when we added the dsvm functional job | 06:40 |
liusheng | zhenguo: oh it is depent by tempest | 06:41 |
zhenguo | liusheng: that's because we have a devstack/gate with a script | 06:41 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we disable tempest there, so it works | 06:41 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:26:20.794 | +++ /opt/stack/new/ironic/devstack/lib/ironic:ironic_configure_tempest:1586 : openstack flavor show baremetal -f value -c id | 06:41 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, we do have this issue, so I disabled tempest | 06:42 |
liusheng | zhenguo: it has installed Nova | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | ++ lib/tempest:configure_tempest:193 : available_flavors='+----+-----------+-----------+------+-----------+------+-------+-------------+-----------+ | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | ID | Name | Memory_MB | Disk | Ephemeral | Swap | VCPUs | RXTX_Factor | Is_Public | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | +----+-----------+-----------+------+-----------+------+-------+-------------+-----------+ | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | 1 | m1.tiny | 512 | 1 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | 2 | m1.small | 2048 | 20 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | 3 | m1.medium | 4096 | 40 | 0 | | 2 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | 4 | m1.large | 8192 | 80 | 0 | | 4 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | 5 | m1.xlarge | 16384 | 160 | 0 | | 8 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | c1 | cirros256 | 256 | 0 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | d1 | ds512M | 512 | 5 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | d2 | ds1G | 1024 | 10 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | d3 | ds2G | 2048 | 10 | 0 | | 2 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | | d4 | ds4G | 4096 | 20 | 0 | | 4 | 1.0 | True | | 06:47 |
liusheng | 2016-11-24 06:24:52.280 | +----+-----------+-----------+------+-----------+------+-------+-------------+-----------+' | 06:47 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, as it use devstack default configuration now, | 06:48 |
zhenguo | liusheng: so all services started, but I don't know why baremetal flavor isnt' created. | 06:48 |
zhenguo | liusheng: seems we have to set VIRT_DRIVER to ironic | 06:50 |
liusheng | zhenguo: set it as an env variable ? | 06:51 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes, let me check ironic tempest job defination first | 06:51 |
zhenguo | liusheng: https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/ironic.yaml#L187 | 06:53 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we need to add this as well | 06:53 |
zhenguo | liusheng: and maybe DEVSTACK_GATE_NEUTRON=1 and other options | 06:55 |
zhenguo | liusheng: DEVSTACK_GATE_NEUTRON=1 is also required | 06:57 |
liusheng | zhenguo: let's try again | 06:58 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok | 06:59 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we need to send a patch to infras | 06:59 |
liusheng | zhenguo: how about add these two in nimble's devstack script ? | 06:59 |
zhenguo | liusheng: no, as devstack is not only for gate | 07:00 |
liusheng | zhenguo: when "is_service_enabled tempest" ? | 07:00 |
zhenguo | liusheng: seems add to gate job defination is more common | 07:01 |
zhenguo | liusheng: in fact, we don't need VIRT_DIRVER at all, it's a nova thing | 07:02 |
zhenguo | lusheng: it's somewhat strange to leave such a thing to our devstack script | 07:02 |
liusheng | zhenguo: but we depend on Nova | 07:02 |
liusheng | zhenguo: agree. | 07:02 |
zhenguo | liusheng: No, we only depends on nova in gate checking | 07:02 |
zhenguo | liusheng: for our devstack we don't need nova :P | 07:03 |
zhenguo | liusheng: new developers maybe confused if we have these settings | 07:03 |
liusheng | zhenguo: hah | 07:03 |
zhenguo | liusheng: hah | 07:03 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I can draft a patch, and seems every afternoon infras cores review patches. | 07:04 |
liusheng | zhenguo: I am afraied it cannot works again even we chenge the infra job, since the infro cannot check if it works... | 07:04 |
zhenguo | liusheng: after infra patch landed, we can recheck with you patch to fix our devstack | 07:05 |
zhenguo | liusheng: then it will work | 07:05 |
liusheng | zhenguo: the infra changes are absolutely checked manully | 07:05 |
liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 07:05 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 07:05 |
liusheng | zhenguo: may I can add these two lines to my patch to check firstly, just test ? | 07:06 |
zhenguo | liusheng: sure | 07:07 |
openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/nimble: WIP: fix gate https://review.openstack.org/401865 | 07:12 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I'm afraid maybe your test patch can't work, as ironic script will run before we export VIRT_DRIVER | 07:17 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes, I am also think so | 07:18 |
zhenguo | liusheng: but I'm not sure, in our tempest job defination, we enable ironic plugin first then nimble plugin | 07:18 |
liusheng | zhenguo: but just test, no harm, hah | 07:18 |
zhenguo | liusheng; yes, lol | 07:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/nimble: Add availability zones API https://review.openstack.org/401997 | 11:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Zhenguo Niu proposed openstack/nimble: Remove unnecessary check before creating Nimble endpoints https://review.openstack.org/401865 | 17:32 |
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