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| luckybird1 | Hi all! | 05:55 |
| luckybird1 | I see in nova log messages - 2018-03-28 08:10:50.580 2295 WARNING nova.compute.manager [req-26630502-b672-43e9-90af-a71a301268b2 5413d9fb7c9c4efd8b704b686b377ba2 6bb763843aad4cdfa6b9d0fded07ac04 - default default] [instance: 17c0c8ac-c923-46fe-8389-441bd5716624] Received unexpected event network-vif-plugged-8e41ae4e-3571-4ab7-aec5-f6b05dcb4f87 for instance | 05:56 |
| luckybird1 | every seconds | 05:56 |
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| luckybird1 | how to find a problem ? | 05:57 |
| luckybird1 | can't find solution in google ( | 05:57 |
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| todin | Could I combine BGP dynamic routing with Service subnets? | 06:35 |
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| anilvenkata | ajo, lucas-afk numans kindly review this rfe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552447/ If it gets approval, I can work on implementation | 06:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Morin proposed openstack/neutron-lib master: API attribute processing: allow to populate dict defaults https://review.openstack.org/556958 | 07:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Morin proposed openstack/neutron-lib master: 'sfc' and 'flowclassifier' API extension definitions (networking-sfc) https://review.openstack.org/411409 | 07:25 |
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| slaweq | jlibosva: hi, ^^ did You take care about Your privacy since today? :D | 07:45 |
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| jlibosva | slaweq: what? :) | 07:45 |
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| slaweq | :) | 07:45 |
| jlibosva | slaweq: aah :) that's probably cause I plugged out my ethernet and connected via wifi and my nick is registered on freenode, so when I reconnected, it renamed the original me :) | 07:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Morin proposed openstack/neutron-lib master: 'sfc' and 'flowclassifier' API extension definitions (networking-sfc) https://review.openstack.org/411409 | 07:46 |
| slaweq | :) | 07:46 |
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| lucasagomes | anilvenkata, good morning! I will take a look at it :D | 07:59 |
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| lucasagomes | anilvenkata, I've a meeting now in the morning but after that I will review the spec | 07:59 |
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| anilvenkata | lucasagomes, thanks Lucas | 08:01 |
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| slaweq | jlibosva: ^^ I feel like some epoch ends with this patch :D | 09:18 |
| jlibosva | slaweq: I already +2ed | 09:18 |
| slaweq | I saw | 09:18 |
| jlibosva | slaweq: you're da wizard to make it happen | 09:18 |
| slaweq | not only me | 09:18 |
| slaweq | amuller: I think You should review it also :) | 09:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Nguyen Phuong An proposed openstack/neutron master: [WIP][log]: iptables logging driver for security group https://review.openstack.org/445827 | 09:21 |
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| amuller | slaweq++ | 09:35 |
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| amuller | slaweq: jlibosva: it's still super cool to me that you can define CI jobs from the neutron repo | 09:40 |
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| jlibosva | amuller: yeah, infra rocks | 09:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | venkata anil proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: OVN Services status reporting https://review.openstack.org/552447 | 10:22 |
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| anilvenkata | ajo, what do u hting about my suggestion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552881/ | 10:26 |
| ajo | anilvenkata: let me check it | 10:26 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, ack | 10:27 |
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| ajo | anilvenkata: thanks, specially for the links :) | 10:28 |
| ajo | we need to support both, but we can just make the code conditional | 10:28 |
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| ajo | or give a fake number for "none" | 10:28 |
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| anilvenkata | ajo, I would suggest a new key for these agents in configurations | 10:29 |
| ajo | anilvenkata: it can be an option | 10:29 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, thenn this backport is not a problem | 10:30 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, if the key is present then as I suggested return current timestamp when returning the DB object | 10:30 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, thus agent will be always alive :) | 10:31 |
| anilvenkata | configurations = {'virtual_agent': true} | 10:32 |
| anilvenkata | if configurations['virtual_agent']: result['heartbeat_timestamp'] = timeutils.utcnow() | 10:33 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, ^ | 10:33 |
| ajo | anilvenkata: you mean on the configurations dictionary? | 10:34 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, yes | 10:34 |
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| ajo | anilvenkata: ok, let me think about it, I will save some time to look at it today | 10:34 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, ok, thanks :) | 10:34 |
| ajo | anilvenkata: may be we can discuss, and I will be off starting tomorrow, | 10:34 |
| ajo | so if this is slowing you down, feel free to take on the patch :) | 10:35 |
| ajo | but let me have a look at your comments and the patch again first :D | 10:35 |
| anilvenkata | ajo, :) | 10:35 |
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| jsheeren | hey all | 10:43 |
| jsheeren | we're seeing a strange issue in our env on ocata with openvswitch | 10:43 |
| jsheeren | we have the situation were a floating ip is attached to an instnace | 10:43 |
| jsheeren | inside the namespace we can see the iptables rules are set | 10:44 |
| jsheeren | but the floating ip is not configged on the qg interface | 10:44 |
| jsheeren | as a result we can only ping and access the instance on the floating ip inside the namespace | 10:44 |
| jsheeren | but not from outside | 10:44 |
| jsheeren | has anyone seen something similar before? | 10:44 |
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| slaweq | jlibosva: one more thing, can You review also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548225/ ? | 10:49 |
| slaweq | thx in advance | 10:49 |
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| jlibosva | slaweq: done | 10:54 |
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| slaweq | jlibosva: thx | 11:10 |
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| anilvenkata | ajo, can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552737/ | 11:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michel Peterson proposed openstack/networking-odl master: Skip tempest test test_server_security_groups https://review.openstack.org/548345 | 12:37 |
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| lucasagomes | ajo, should the ooo guide upstream for OVN always goes with containers since that's the default way ? | 14:31 |
| ajo | lucasagomes: yes, I had a plan on removing that, but was it for Queens too? | 14:32 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, instead of having the baremetal bits there | 14:32 |
| ajo | it's our stable now .. :) | 14:32 |
| lucasagomes | true yeah | 14:32 |
| ajo | we want to show people how to deploy stable :D | 14:32 |
| lucasagomes | alright, yeah let's simplify that | 14:32 |
| lucasagomes | for rocky on | 14:32 |
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| ajo | yup | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: hey I am looking at your comment to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306 | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: you around? | 14:39 |
| gibi | mlavalle: sure | 14:40 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: hello | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | boden proposed openstack/neutron master: use multiprovidernet api definition from neutron-lib https://review.openstack.org/535470 | 14:40 |
| gibi | mlavalle: have you seen rubasov's comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/22/specs/rocky/approved/bandwidth-resource-provider.rst@420 ? | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | gibi: I am looking at rubasov's comment to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306 | 14:40 |
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| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: yeah, I was exactly looking at it. Thta's why I pinged both | 14:41 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: yeah, that comment pretty much changes what we discussed yesterday | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | if tha is what the testing is showing I was wrong | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: Simplify the TripleO install guide https://review.openstack.org/555803 | 14:42 |
| gibi | mlavalle: how do you feel, what rubasov showed is something neutron wants to support? | 14:42 |
| rubasov | we still can prohibit that case in placement if that's what we want | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/networking-ovn master: Simplify the TripleO install guide https://review.openstack.org/555803 | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: before deciding that, did you see my question here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/22/specs/rocky/approved/bandwidth-resource-provider.rst@450? | 14:43 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: reading it now | 14:43 |
| gibi | mlavalle: the problem is that the scheduler selects one of the returned alternative and claims the resources for that | 14:44 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: so neutron does not have a choice even if the query returns a lot of laternatives | 14:45 |
| gibi | mlavalle: *alternatives | 14:45 |
| gibi | mlavalle: neutron needs to formulate the request that is specific enought that what the scheduler selects is good enough for neutron | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | gibi: I know. But the scheduler can receive several alternatives and pick one, right? | 14:46 |
| gibi | mlavalle: right | 14:46 |
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| mlavalle | gibe: when the scheduler selects one of the alternatives, it can knoew the traits of the selected alternative, right? | 14:47 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: ^^^^ | 14:47 |
| gibi | scheduler gets allocation candidates from placement and each candidate contains the information about the RP involved in the candidate which include the traits of the RP | 14:48 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: I frame it differently in my mind than gibi: placement/scheduler must select an actual provider of the bandwidth resource - and that must be a physical interface to the physical network, the bandwidth of multiple physical providers cannot be aggregated, nor can they be kept unidentified | 14:48 |
| gibi | mlavalle: the example in https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/placement/#list-allocation-candidates is not correct in this sense as it is missing the traits | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: I agree with you. What I am trying to get at is whether in the question from the schduler to placement, can we just provide the ingress and egress bandwidth required | 14:50 |
| gibi | mlavalle: do you mean that the placement decides about the bandwidth but the scheduler further refines (with a filter) by looking at the physnet traits? | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | in the end, the scheduler is going to select one specific RP that corresponds to one specific interface to a specific physinet | 14:51 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: ^^ correct | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | gibi: I am trying to get rid of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/22/specs/rocky/approved/bandwidth-resource-provider.rst@550 | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | and have nova instead send that to Neutron in binding:profile once nova made its scheduling decision | 14:53 |
| gibi | mlavalle: if the scheduler needs to select a proper RP then at least the scheduler needs to know that | 14:53 |
| gibi | mlavalle: that I mean the physnet | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas master: Ensure to install latest neutron from master https://review.openstack.org/554495 | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | gibi: why? shouldn't the scheduler just care about meeting the bandwidth requirement? It can be fullfilled by any RP in the tree that was enough bandwidth.... | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | has enough^^^^ | 14:54 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: if the scheduler only look at the bandwidth it might choose an RP that belongs to physnet that is not the physnet the port belongs to | 14:57 |
| mdih | hello, would it be possible to use neutron rbac in external/provider networks? like just restrict a specific external network to a project? | 14:57 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: as far as I understand when a port is created in neutron the physnet is determined by the neutron net the port is created in | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | gibi: but a port doesn't belong to a physnet until it is bound | 14:58 |
| mdih | uhm we've tried the one mentioned in the docs, but apparently all external networks would still be visible in all projects :( . uhm is this possible somehow? | 14:58 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: if a network has many segments it has many physnets | 14:59 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: why? the physnet is given at net create, so we know it at port create, don't we? | 14:59 |
| gibi | mlavalle: OK, then yet another of my assumption is invalid | 14:59 |
| gibi | mlavalle: then I see the reason why you want to get rid of the physnet in the port's resource_request | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: hang on... | 15:00 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: as that info is only available _after_ binding which is _after_ scheduling | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: yes you can have a single segment network. But is you have multiple segment networks, then each segment can be in different physnets | 15:02 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: then I don't understand what a physnet is | 15:04 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: isn't the reason of existence for a physnet to allow us access to a network outside the cloud? then how could a physnet serve that purpose if it belongs to the segment, not the network? | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/#multiple-provider-extension | 15:08 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: okay, that's something new to me. question: can a single provider network have multiple segments? | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: you are right in that you can have a network with a single provider. In that case, you will have one segment | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: but a logical network can have more thatn one segment, and therefore, more that one physnet | 15:14 |
| gibi | mlavalle: and in this multi segment case does the segment and theregore the physnet is selected during port binding ? | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | gibi: correct. actually, from the mechanism drivers point of view, binding the port is finding a segemnt of the network that the host can reach | 15:16 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: thanks | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: but that is also true for a single segment network. the mechanism driver decides is the network's segment can be reached from the host. If yes, the port is bound | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | makes sense | 15:18 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: I see | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: the reason I am bringing all this is that the physnet could be retrived by the scheduler from the selected RP and sent to neutron at binding. That is why I've been proposing to use binding:profile to communicate fro Nova to Neutron | 15:20 |
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| idlemind | any chance someone could take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555162/2 and push it across the finish line? | 15:22 |
| idlemind | i think it needs another cr to kick off the last set of gate testing prior to merge? | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ec6z2MvySr2ypMbmJTESQa4pMOlETTXBqnjHia3F40M/edit#slide=id.g12c4966ee0_0_25 | 15:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/neutron-lib master: Fix placement calls in placement client https://review.openstack.org/554532 | 15:23 |
| gibi | mlavalle: correct, that can be done. But what will happen if the selected RP indicate a physnet that is not an accessible physnet on the host the scheduler selected? | 15:23 |
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| ajo | numans: question on "the grand plan" (aka. ml2/ovs to ml2/ovn migration scripts), | 15:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/networking-midonet master: use plugin common utils from neutron-lib https://review.openstack.org/551013 | 15:24 |
| ajo | numans: do we want the migration agent to stop the ml2/ovs services / containers when done? | 15:24 |
| numans | ajo, shoot | 15:24 |
| ajo | numans: I don't remember that part, but it's easy to do | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: that comes from this presentation by Kevin Benton and Carl Baldwin during the Austin summit 3 years ago: https://www.openstack.org/videos/austin-2016/mapping-real-networks-to-physical-networks-segments-and-logical-networks-in-neutron | 15:24 |
| numans | ajo, the ml2/ovs agents are removed when we do stack update (before the migration agent comes in) | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | gibi: The L2 agent in the compute host is going to create the RPs. That agent knows what physnets it has access to | 15:25 |
| ajo | numans: hmm, I thought they remained, | 15:25 |
| ajo | numans: isn't that what you tried but didn't work out well? | 15:25 |
| ajo | isn't -- > is | 15:25 |
| numans | ajo, so we run stack update with ovn services enabled and all neutron ml2/ovs services disabled (i.e OS::Tripleo::Neutron<AGENTS>=None) | 15:26 |
| ajo | ok, so now we stop them but the dataplane remains | 15:26 |
| numans | ajo, it works now :) | 15:26 |
| numans | ajo, yes thats right, | 15:26 |
| ajo | we just clean the dataplane | 15:26 |
| ajo | ok :) | 15:26 |
| ajo | ack | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Michel Peterson proposed openstack/networking-odl master: Remove tox_install.sh helper https://review.openstack.org/557370 | 15:26 |
| ajo | thanks for the clatification | 15:26 |
| numans | ajo, so the namespaces are still intact and we wouldn't see any downtime | 15:26 |
| numans | welcome :) | 15:26 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: sure, but if neutron only includes the bw resource in the resource request then the scheduler can select an incorrect host and networking RP pair | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: maybe I am missing something.... but doesn't the scheduler have access to the RP from the selected host? | 15:28 |
| gibi | mlavalle: if we dont describe in the resource request the rules about what host and what RP on that host is good for a port then there is no way to ensure that the selected host and RP pair will be good for that port | 15:28 |
| gibi | mlavalle: scheduler has access to the selected RP | 15:28 |
| gibi | mlavalle: scheduler does not have access to the info which RP is the good RP | 15:28 |
| gibi | mlavalle: good from physnet mapping perspective | 15:29 |
| gibi | mlavalle: scheduler will only know which RP is good from bw perspective | 15:29 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: thanks for the info, I just understood that the object model presented by the providernet extension is not true, now I'm trying to wrap my head around the consequences | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: on the contrary, thank you. I am also learning from you :-) | 15:31 |
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| gibi | mlavalle, rubasov: I have to leave soon today, sorry. I think we have to draw an example setup with multiproviders | 15:31 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: looking forward to the drawing | 15:32 |
| gibi | mlavalle, rubasov: and do a system play where we go through the Placement, Scheduler, Neutron binding process | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | gibi: but will the scheduler know the traits of the selected RP in the selected host? | 15:32 |
| gibi | mlavalle: yes the scheduler will know that | 15:32 |
| gibi | mlavalle: what should the scheduler do with that trait? | 15:32 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: just pass it to Neutron? | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | gibi: pass it to the compute so it can be passed to Neutron in the binding | 15:33 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: and will Neutron simply fail the port binding if the selected PR contains a physnet trait to which the selected host has no access to? | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | but that is impossible gibi, because that RP with that trait exists in that compute host because Neutron created that RP, right? | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | unless I am missing something, Neutron won't lie to Neutron ;-) | 15:35 |
| gibi | mlavalle: :) I have to draw an example as I cannot explain my concerns without it :) | 15:36 |
| gibi | mlavalle: I will try to do something in the yesterday etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/X0RboWOe7C | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: let's do the drawing.... But just for the next 5 minutes grant that I am right..... | 15:37 |
| gibi | mlavalle: OK | 15:38 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: sure | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | and that we can get rid of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/22/specs/rocky/approved/bandwidth-resource-provider.rst@550 | 15:38 |
| gibi | mlavalle: anyhow I will need time to do that drawing | 15:39 |
| gibi | mlavalle: correct, we have to get rid off the physnet | 15:40 |
| gibi | mlavalle: from the port's resource_request as that information is not available before scheduling and before port binding | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | then all the information needed to bind the port to the RP / backend selected by the scheduler can be represented in traits in the RP that can then be communicated to Neutron in the binding | 15:40 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: I'm not sure what information is needed to the port binding, you can assume that if a trair is added on an RP by the agent created it, then nova can pass that trait back to neutron | 15:42 |
| gibi | mlavalle: or nova can pass the RP uuid and neutron ask placement about the traits on that RP if that looks better | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | so it's not only that I want to get rid of that attribute in the 'resource_request' of the port but also that we can simplify a lot what we have to implement on the Nova side by having Nova to communicate the traits of the selected RP | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | in the binding | 15:43 |
| gibi | mlavalle: please note that today we assume that what is selected for a port is a single RP, but in the future it could be more than a single RP, maybe multiple RPs | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | gibi: I would rather receive the traits in the binding. That saves a slow ReST api call | 15:43 |
| gibi | mlavalle: understood | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: yeah, but in the end, you are going to pick one, right? | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | because you have to make a claim against one specific RP, right gibi? | 15:45 |
| gibi | mlavalle: today we claim the port resources agains a single RP. What I wanted to note that this might change in the future if resources needed for a neutron port are spread around multipl RPs in a single RP tree | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | and then you dispatch the instance creation to the compute | 15:46 |
| gibi | mlavalle: correct | 15:46 |
| gibi | mlavalle: allocation candidate query, the filtering in the scheduler -> having one selected candidate -> claim the resources in that candidate -> dispatch the boot request to the host specified by the selected candidate | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: yea, that is what I undrstand also | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michel Peterson proposed openstack/networking-odl master: DNM: Testing job lower-constraints actually works https://review.openstack.org/557381 | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: one thing to keep in mind is that only Neutron modifies the RPs tree, correct? | 15:49 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: one part of it, yes | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | Nova queries them and allocates from the inventories | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov ^^^^ | 15:51 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: nova creates allocations against RPs created by Neutron, but Nova does not change inventory or traits on the Networking RPs | 15:51 |
| rubasov | rubasov: that part should be kept as neutron's internal data format and query logic | 15:52 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: ^^^^ | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: so we are aligned. Since Neutron is the source of the RPs, whatever RP / host is slected by the scheduler, Neutron will be able to honor at port binding | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | as long as that combinstion is communicated in the binding request | 15:54 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: Neutron also the source of the resource request in the port, and Neutron needs to make sure that the request is not contradictory about what the port can do | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | gibi: of course | 15:54 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: hi - I have requested a new tag for Neutron Queens - if you could have a look pls - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557383/ | 15:54 |
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| mlavalle | jlibosva: thanks. taken care of | 15:55 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: thanks! | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | gibi, rubasov: I think we made a lot of progress today. what do you think? | 15:56 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: if we practically duplicate all knowledge and logic of port binding in placement/scheduler then yes we can honor it later | 15:56 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: I happy as we detected one bad assumption on my side early enough :) | 15:56 |
| gibi | mlavalle: I will started drawing and exmple setup in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/X0RboWOe7C but I have to continue tomorrow | 15:56 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: but some parts of port binding today are so dynamic that it's impossible to express in placement (eg. is the agent up) | 15:57 |
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| gibi | mlavalle: also please note that I will disappeare for two weeks (honeymoon) after tomorrow so you and rubasov has to continue until I return | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: but I am not proposing that. I am just clarifying what traits need to be in the RP and how they can have to be comunicated to Neutron in the binding | 15:57 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: and yes, of course failures can still happen. But it's the same today | 15:59 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: understood | 16:00 |
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| gibi | mlavalle, rubasov: thanks for the talk, lets continue this tomorrow | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | gibi: good night! | 16:00 |
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| rubasov | mlavalle: thank you, see you later | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: thank you | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | rubasov: that presentation delves also in what a physnet is. You may find it useful | 16:05 |
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| rubasov | rubasov: will look at it | 16:06 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: ^^^^ | 16:06 |
| mlavalle | ;-) | 16:06 |
| rubasov | mlavalle: have a nice day, bye | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | rubasov: you have a good night ! | 16:07 |
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| slaweq | mlavalle, haleyb: may I ask You for review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548225/ if You will have few minutes of free time? :) | 19:30 |
| slaweq | thx in advance | 19:30 |
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| mlavalle | armax: if you have some time, would you please weigh in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557367? | 21:04 |
| armax | looking | 21:04 |
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| armax | mlavalle: done | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | thanks armax :-) | 21:13 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: I had lunch today with carl_baldwin, HenryG_, blogan and kevinbenton | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | we wnet here: http://www.stilesswitchbbq.com/ | 21:48 |
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| harlowja | kevinbenton yt | 22:03 |
| harlowja | rm_work and i have a question | 22:04 |
| harlowja | if u have a free few minutes :) | 22:04 |
| rm_work | yepyep | 22:04 |
| harlowja | maybe 20 minutes | 22:04 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:04 |
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| harlowja | or ihrachys_ :) | 22:05 |
| harlowja | it's a functionality question around a patch that we have that we don't want | 22:05 |
| ihrachys_ | harlowja, wassup | 22:06 |
| harlowja | so the gist of it is that we have this patch https://gist.github.com/harlowja/e3cb3a84ff06834d48a973bba4313174 | 22:07 |
| harlowja | and we don't really want it | 22:07 |
| harlowja | and its someones requirement to do that | 22:08 |
| harlowja | `Allow multiple floating IPs to single port.` | 22:08 |
| harlowja | and that's old and such, so thinking if that's already allowed, or can just be configured | 22:08 |
| harlowja | or is it to dangerous | 22:08 |
| harlowja | and then wanted some experts thoughts | 22:08 |
| rm_work | Yeah, the first question is: what is the reason behind this validation | 22:08 |
| harlowja | ya, any thoughts appreciated :) | 22:11 |
| harlowja | its ok if its delayed, rm_work works alot | 22:11 |
| harlowja | and is always online, lol | 22:11 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:11 |
| rm_work | i'm just in a new timezone every day, so it just seems like it | 22:11 |
| harlowja | :-/ | 22:11 |
| harlowja | wut | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | I think this is supposed to forbid associating the same fip to two ports. | 22:11 |
| rm_work | yes | 22:12 |
| rm_work | ihrachys_: so... why do we forbid that | 22:12 |
| rm_work | is it a bad idea for some reason? | 22:12 |
| ihrachys_ | well, your fip should always be at a single place in the network, otherwise you would split traffic between those two endpoints that belong to different ports. | 22:12 |
| rm_work | we patch it out in our cloud and users can associate multiple FIPs to the same port, and it works fine for us here | 22:13 |
| rm_work | oh | 22:13 |
| ihrachys_ | but I don't think that's what you ask | 22:13 |
| rm_work | err sorry | 22:13 |
| rm_work | it's binding multiple FIPs to one port | 22:13 |
| ihrachys_ | yeah | 22:13 |
| rm_work | not one FIP to multiple ports | 22:13 |
| rm_work | which seems like it should be fine | 22:13 |
| rm_work | i read your first message wrong | 22:13 |
| idlemind | any chance i could get a workflow vote on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555162/2 to start gates? i'd like to bump the sha's in my osa build to resolve the issue i'm having | 22:14 |
| ihrachys_ | rm_work, yeah. I don't think there is a particular reason to not allow two fips from the same external network per port (note that you can already have them from a different network). | 22:15 |
| ihrachys_ | it's just that what you describe is probably useless. | 22:15 |
| rm_work | there's a variety of (admittedly dumb) reasons | 22:15 |
| ihrachys_ | because the two fips would have the same behavior, so why wasting an address | 22:15 |
| rm_work | for instance, dealing with clients that don't support SNI | 22:15 |
| rm_work | so needing multiple IPs for one TLS Webserver | 22:16 |
| rm_work | etc | 22:16 |
| ihrachys_ | and the instance is aware of its fips? | 22:16 |
| rm_work | yes | 22:16 |
| ihrachys_ | eh | 22:16 |
| rm_work | also: because we charge per address ;) | 22:16 |
| ihrachys_ | well yeah, that could be considered a use case | 22:16 |
| rm_work | and if they want to pay us for more addresses ... | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | rm_work, evil! | 22:17 |
| rm_work | lol | 22:17 |
| rm_work | I mean, it's the user's choice | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | haleyb, heya | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | haleyb, folks ask why you can't have nice things | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | haleyb, I mean, why you can't have two fips from same net per port | 22:17 |
| harlowja | :) | 22:17 |
| ihrachys_ | harlowja, I don't think there would be an issue if we remove the requirement; but will probably require a discussion among drivers team members to sanity check the change | 22:19 |
| sticker | how would the traffic coming from the instance work though? | 22:19 |
| harlowja | ya, sanity check++ | 22:19 |
| rm_work | yeah, that is the question | 22:19 |
| ihrachys_ | harlowja, btw you were saying that "we" have it. who are "we"? | 22:19 |
| rm_work | are there drivers where this would explode | 22:19 |
| sticker | we do something similar but use allowed address pairs so that it can be natted to the right IP | 22:19 |
| rm_work | GoDaddy's cloud | 22:19 |
| harlowja | sorry, godaddy ^ | 22:19 |
| rm_work | sticker: so, multiple ports, AAP, bind FIPs to the additional ports | 22:19 |
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| rm_work | we are looking at that too | 22:20 |
| ihrachys_ | rm_work, that's a good question. there may be such drivers. we don't really control them. but arguably it's not an api definition change. | 22:20 |
| sticker | yeah, thats what we do. we create additional ports, set them as AAP on the port we want traffic to, and then bind the FIP | 22:20 |
| ihrachys_ | sticker, you mean we don't know which fip will be used on going outside? | 22:21 |
| sticker | ihrachys_: if you have an neutron port with an IP of 10.10.10.1 and bind FIPs of 2.3.4.5 and 2.3.4.6 to it, when traffic is exiting the environment from 10.10.10.1, how will it know which FIP it should NAT the traffic to? | 22:22 |
| idlemind | the same discussion could be brought to ipv6 if we desired things like privacy addressing to work | 22:23 |
| idlemind | (the fip talk) | 22:23 |
| ihrachys_ | yeah that's a good point. we can't really "stick" a session to a particular fip. | 22:23 |
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| sticker | ihrachys_: we use an internal IP per FIP in use so a port might have 10.10.10.1 and AAP of 10.10.10.2, then we bind 2.3.4.5 to one IP and 2.3.4.6 to the other | 22:23 |
| ihrachys_ | idlemind, ipv6 fips are not going anywhere so that doesn't really apply her | 22:24 |
| ihrachys_ | *here | 22:24 |
| ihrachys_ | sticker, yeah seems like the most sane thing to do. | 22:24 |
| ihrachys_ | harlowja, rm_work considering ^ we probably need a better use case to justify that | 22:25 |
| ihrachys_ | because session based connection will use fips at random | 22:25 |
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| rm_work | yeah ... there are other factors that make that difficult | 22:29 |
| rm_work | but, we're looking at it | 22:29 |
| rm_work | out of curiosity, what if running that validation was configurable by the operator? | 22:30 |
| harlowja | afaik rm_work we aren't really doing NAT in the same way as others are for FIPs | 22:31 |
| harlowja | (ie, not really NAT at all) | 22:31 |
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| harlowja | but ya, rm_work question is still valid; prob requires a larger discussion then at some weekly meeting i would assume | 22:35 |
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| rm_work | or -- would there be objections to having it as a feature-flag on a driver, default being "multiple binding not supported", but driver authors could override that to opt in | 22:40 |
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| rm_work | ihrachys_: ^^ | 22:42 |
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| ihrachys_ | rm_work, that's probably a question to l3 subteam members | 22:45 |
| ihrachys_ | rm_work, I am not into drivers for l3, not sure which mechanisms we have there for that | 22:45 |
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| rm_work | do they have a meeting? | 22:47 |
| ihrachys_ | yes | 22:48 |
| ihrachys_ | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_L3_Sub-team_Meeting | 22:48 |
| rm_work | thanks | 22:48 |
| ihrachys_ | ok I gotta go, sorry I am not of much help. | 22:48 |
| rm_work | np | 22:48 |
| rm_work | plenty of help ;) | 22:48 |
| ihrachys_ | haleyb and mlavalle are your guys to ask more | 22:48 |
| harlowja | :) | 22:49 |
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