Thursday, 2016-01-28

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openstackgerritManjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add commands for network_ip_availability.  https://review.openstack.org/26992600:30
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kevinbentonZZelle_: yo00:58
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ZZelle_kevinbenton, hi, my ram size is too small: i don't remember why i pinged you :s01:00
kevinbentonZZelle_: ok :)01:00
kevinbentonZZelle_: well if it pages back in shoot me a message. i'll be on and off for the next 6 hours or so01:01
ZZelle_kevinbenton, and me in my bed :)01:01
kevinbentonZZelle_: what TZ are you in?01:01
ZZelle_kevinbenton, paris (UTC+1)01:01
ZZelle_so 2AM01:02
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kevinbentonZZelle: ah! I didn't realize you were in Europe. Chat with you tomorrow then!01:03
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: ping01:04
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Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: pong01:06
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: just read your post on ovs-discuss01:07
Sam-I-Amoh no :)01:07
Sam-I-Ami was actually going to test it, but figured out l3 sort of lacks some implementation bits01:07
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: in the neutron reference case, the issue wouldn't be the l2 agent, it would be the l3 agent failing to set a smaller MTU on it's interface01:07
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: so the kernel doesn't realize it needs to generate an ICMP response before it dumps onto l201:08
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Sam-I-Amwell, sort of. in ovs, the l3 agent doesnt manage the linux bridge for sec groups.01:08
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: but it doesn't need to, if the interface it created that plugs into the bridge had a small MTU, the linux bridge would automatically be downgraded01:09
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: so if we correct the interface plug code in the L3 agent to set the correct MTU, the problem would be resolved for small MTUs right?01:09
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: (jumbo frames still need more work to exceed the 1500 default)01:09
Sam-I-Amiff mtu = 1500 on the underlying network, setting the qr interface's mtu to account for the overlay net overhead would fix that, but only for 1500 mtu.01:10
Sam-I-Amthat breaks for any other mtu01:11
Sam-I-Ambecause the qg interface becomes the problem01:11
Sam-I-Amspecifically for larger mtus, which is the case we really need to solve.01:11
Sam-I-Amfor linux bridge, qg needs the mtu of the provider net, qr needs the mtu of the overlay net01:12
Sam-I-Amfor ovs, the same l3 agent problems apply, but now we also have problems at the security group bridge on the compute node01:12
kevinbentonbut the situation you described in the email would be fixed for any MTU < 1500 by setting the smaller one on the router interface01:12
Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: setting only qr would probably resolve mtu < 1500 (because the qg interface is a static 1500) ... but i didnt test that scenario01:13
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Sam-I-Amdepending on how small the underlying provider network mtu was, you'd actually hit the problem outbound from the qg interface, because the veth pair would have a smaller mtu on one side.01:15
Sam-I-Am1500 in the qrouter namespace, something smaller on the provider net qbrXXX01:15
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if the instance didn't have the correct MTU set01:15
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Sam-I-Amif the private net / instance mtu is calculated from the provider net mtu, then it would be fine. but its not.01:16
Sam-I-Amright now the calculation just subtracts from 150001:16
Sam-I-Amor whatever value you provide to path_mtu01:16
Sam-I-Am(which is the only part of the mtu spec that works)01:16
kevinbentonright, but it would be safe to summarize that all of the <1500 MTU issues are actually a result of the endpoints plugging into L2 agent stuff not using correct MTUs, right?01:17
kevinbentonso either not advertising correct MTU to instances01:17
kevinbentonor not having the l3 agent set an MTU on its interfaces01:17
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Sam-I-Ameh...01:19
Sam-I-Ami think if you advertise the physnet mtu minus overhead to the vm, as long as physnet overhead is set correctly (even for < 1500), the vm should be happy because it wont exceed that mtu01:20
Sam-I-Amif you dont, thats when you run into trouble01:20
kevinbentonright, that's what i mean, the issue is just that VMs are being informed of the right MTU01:20
Sam-I-Amso if the vm mtu was always 1450, and your physnet was 1300... you'd hit the mtu disparity in the veth pair between the namespace and prov net bridge (qg)01:20
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kevinbentonand then for inbound traffic from the internet the issue is that the l3 agent doesn't have a correct MTU on its interface01:20
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: right, but what i'm getting at is that for <1500, none of this can be fixed on the l2 agent01:21
Sam-I-Amyeah, for 1500 or less, its only the qr interface. for larger, its both the qr and qg interfaces.01:21
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: its either an issue its a matter of getting the connected people to use the right MTU01:22
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Sam-I-Amthe l3 agent needs fixin' for linux bridge01:22
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Sam-I-Amthe l2 agent (or whatever manages the sec group bridge) needs fixin' too for ovs01:22
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: i don't understand why that needs to be fixed for the <1500 MTU case01:23
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: that's the part i'm not following01:23
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: as long as the l3 agent is aware of its smaller MTU, it will generate codes at the right time. and as long as the instance is aware of its smaller MTU it wont send traffic too large01:24
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: and neither of those two depend on L2 agent participation01:24
Sam-I-Amfor consistency, we need to make sure both ends of the veth pair for qg are the same.01:25
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Sam-I-Amso if its less than 1500, both ends need to be less than 150001:25
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Sam-I-Ammtu disparities in l2 devices are bad01:25
Sam-I-Amand will eventually cause a problem01:25
Sam-I-Aman obscure problem, i might add01:25
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: what problem?01:25
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if something is using an MTU larger than the l3 agent, that means its not using the smaller advertised MTU01:26
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: so it will be silently dropped at L2 layer either way01:26
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: or am I missing something?01:26
Sam-I-Amwhich should never happen01:26
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: but setting both veths won't fix that01:27
Sam-I-Amthis an unpossible network configuration that veth pairs somehow let you do01:27
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if a VM decides to use a 1500 MTU and the bridge it's connected to is 1450, its packets will be dumped01:27
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: without an ICMP error01:27
Sam-I-Amyep01:27
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Sam-I-Ammtu disparities must occur in something that understand l301:28
Sam-I-Amotherwise packets mysteriously disappear01:28
Sam-I-Amso in all cases, veth pairs should not have different mtus on either end01:28
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: that wont' help though01:29
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: it will make things more consitent01:29
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: but a VM using an MTU too large will still be dumped right at the bridge it sends onto01:29
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Sam-I-Amthe vm can't because its been told to use the correct mtu for the network type to which it attaches (or we hope it does)01:30
Sam-I-Amthere's no way we can address the vm side of this without cooperation from the vm01:30
kevinbentonif the VM is using the correct MTU value, then the veth MTU being too large is irrelevant01:30
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kevinbentonmy point is that reducing the veth MTU doesn't seem to buy us anything01:31
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Sam-I-Amtrue, things in between can be larger. however, its still wrong to have two different mtus on a veth pair, or different mtus on anything plugged into a bridge01:31
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Sam-I-Amalways making sure veths are consistent would provide a much better chance of the disparity moving to a l3 device that can originate icmp01:32
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Sam-I-Amthat would also fix the ovs problem, because the bridge would assume the larger mtu of the veth pairs01:32
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Sam-I-Amactually, veth pairs being set correctly on both ends essentially fixes the bridge problem01:33
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: no, we still need the VM to use the correct MTU01:33
Sam-I-Amoh, thats a given01:33
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if the VM uses the correct MTU, that fixes the problem01:33
Sam-I-Amthe vm side of this is easy01:33
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: and if the L3 agent uses the correct MTU for its side of the veth that also fixes the problem01:34
Sam-I-Amfor mtu <= 1500, it does01:34
kevinbentonyes, for MTU > 1500 we need to change wiring for everything01:34
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: because the bridge will choose the smallest of all of the interfaces plugged into it01:34
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openstackgerritReedip proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: "neutron help net-list" help info updated  https://review.openstack.org/14062801:34
Sam-I-Amyeah01:35
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: what's the difference between path_mtu and segment_mtu?01:36
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: i didn't know about segment_mtu until the email thread01:36
Sam-I-Ampath_mtu actually does something01:36
Sam-I-Ama lot of things in the mtu-selection-and-advertisement spec were put into the config file, and sort of in the code, but dont actually do anything01:37
Sam-I-Amwhich further infuriates operators, because it gives them the impression neutron handles mtu issues now01:37
Sam-I-Amwith the exception of path_mtu, its all bunk01:37
Sam-I-Amawesome, github is down01:38
openstackgerritAdolfo Duarte proposed openstack/neutron: HA for DVR - Neutron Server side code changes  https://review.openstack.org/14316901:38
Sam-I-Amdvr sort-of tries to make use of network_device_mtu01:39
Sam-I-Amwhich breaks a bunch of other things01:39
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Sam-I-Ami think ovs uses network_device_mtu if you tell it to use veth pairs01:40
Sam-I-Ambut thats deprecated01:40
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: are you going to the mid-cycle? i would like to go through and fix all of this01:42
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: and it would be nice to have you there to iterate on it quickly01:42
Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: i'm trying to go01:43
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Sam-I-Amthe key is trying to fix this without 0.0001% corner cases and other crud getting in the way01:44
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Sam-I-Amwhich seemed to be the problem with the original spec01:44
Sam-I-Amover-thinking01:44
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: right, too many knobs is the impression i got01:44
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: or at least the introduction of new knobs without implementing it and cleaning up the old ones right01:45
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Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: the only real question is do we support one option for the entire deployment, or an option per provider network mapping01:46
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Sam-I-Ami highly doubt a datacenter is going to have different mtus on different networks, but the latter provides the most flexibility01:47
Sam-I-Amat any rate, you provide that one mtu value, and neutron automatically calculates the mtu for everything else01:47
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Sam-I-Amnone of this per-segment, path-blah, network-device-whatever01:47
Sam-I-Amand nova doesnt even need to be involved01:47
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: i think nova will need some fixing, otherwise it will create 1500 MTU interfaces that will downgrade the whole bridge01:48
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Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: well, not from what i saw with linuxbridge01:49
Sam-I-Amthe tap interface off the compute node vm was 895001:49
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Sam-I-Amprobably because it had no specific mtu and plugged into a bridge that was 8950 because the vxlan interface also on the bridge was 895001:50
Sam-I-Amhowever, for ovs the tap was 1500 because... the bridge was 1500.01:50
Sam-I-Amthe bridge was 1500 because it has no ports on physical devices and therefore assumes 150001:50
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: ah, so it seems linux then tries to adapt the tap interface01:51
Sam-I-Amif the secgroup bridge was 8950, i bet the tap would also be 895001:51
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: what about the security groups filtering bridge in OVS?01:51
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: nova creates that secgroup bridge01:51
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Sam-I-Amthen in linuxbridge it magically works because the vxlan-xxx port on it contains the correct mtu01:52
Sam-I-Amon ovs, there is no host interface, so its 1500 for qvb, qvo, and tap01:52
Sam-I-Amthose would need to change to mtu minus overhead01:53
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Sam-I-Amso neutron doesn't manage the qvo/qvb veth pair?01:53
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: right, but those are created by Nova01:53
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: during Nova plug it creates that bridge and the interfaces and plugs it to br-int01:54
Sam-I-Amugh01:54
Sam-I-Amwell, in that case it'd need to read the mtu value via the neutron api01:54
Sam-I-Amits already talking to the api01:55
Sam-I-Amwhy doesnt ovs do those bits... as linux bridge more or less does01:55
Sam-I-Amat least thats what i thought the linux bridge agent did...01:55
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: yeah, it's sort of been a mess at that barrier01:55
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if the linux bridge for a network doesn't exist when nova goes to plug into it01:55
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: nova will create it01:56
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: in the OVS case, it's a side effect of OVS waiting for something to be plugged into its bridge to react01:56
Sam-I-Amok. i guess its lucky that linux bridges pretty much figure out the correct mtu based on the vxlan device or vlan subint plugged into them01:56
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: so for something to be plugged into br-int, nova has to wire everything up to get to that point01:56
Sam-I-Amovs is the odd case because there is no underlying interface to base off01:57
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: neutron l2 agent actually manages all iptables rules, etc. but the creation is nova01:57
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Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: i suppose neutron could go in and set the mtus of all those things post-creation01:57
Sam-I-Amthey dont need to be done at creation01:57
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: what i'm worried about is that when nova plugs it into br-int, it will pee in the pool so to speak01:58
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kevinbentonand the MTU will be downgraded to 150001:58
kevinbentonif we are using MTUs >  150001:58
kevinbentonso every time a VM would be booted, it could interrupt traffic until the l2 agent gets a change to bump the MTUs up01:59
Sam-I-Ameach vm gets its own bridge01:59
Sam-I-Amso that shouldnt happen01:59
kevinbentonbut that bridge gets plugged into br-int01:59
Sam-I-Amyes, using a unique veth pair02:00
kevinbentonbut both sides of the veth will be 1500, no?02:00
kevinbentonor does the one that goes into br-int assume the MTU of br-int02:00
Sam-I-Amthey both end up 1500 because nothing specifies mtu02:00
Sam-I-Amhowever, in the time it takes a vm to boot and actually get to the point where it uses networking, we should be able to set the mtus02:01
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: right, so if it's 1500, it will downgrade br-int02:01
Sam-I-Amthe vm wont boot until networking is alive, right?02:01
Sam-I-Amopenvswitch is actually a bit different about mtus02:01
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: right, but if it downgrades br-int with it's 1500 veth, that will break everyone else02:01
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: ah02:01
Sam-I-Ami never once touched the mtu of br-int02:01
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: so if OVS doesn't downgrade everyone, then we are safe02:01
Sam-I-Ambr-tun, br-int, etc were all still reporting 1500 from 'ip link show' but they werent actually 150002:02
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: perfect, no messing with nova then02:02
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Sam-I-Ami think ovs sort of has a 'whatever' approach to mtu02:02
Sam-I-Amfor example, the tunnel sent 8950 traffic just fine02:02
kevinbenton"be liberal in what you accept" i suppose02:02
Sam-I-Amyet br-tun said it was 1500, and who knows what those vxlan ports on br-tun were using02:03
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: ack. well i gtg for now. let me know whether or not you can swing the mid-cycle02:03
Sam-I-Amthis is sort of why the whole 1450 br-ex in multi-node gate jobs might not be working as expected02:03
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: if you can't, maybe we can set aside a few days to work on this remotely02:03
Sam-I-Ami should go too. hopefully i'll get there and we can bang this all out. it would be important for mitaka, and probably not too much work.02:04
Sam-I-Amthe solution fell out of the experiments.02:04
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: and actually it should be all back-portable as well02:04
Sam-I-Amfor both ovs and lb02:04
Sam-I-Amnow i'm after ovn :)02:04
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Sam-I-Ambackporting would be nice too02:05
Sam-I-Ammaking mtu work, both large and small, would make a lot of operators happy02:05
Sam-I-Ami get earfuls in #openstack about it all the time02:05
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: yeah, i didn't realize it was in such a sorry state until you and sc68cal started poking around02:05
Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: its worse now because it gives the impression that it works02:06
Sam-I-Amif we cant fix it by mitaka, we should remove the non-working config options from the config files02:06
Sam-I-Amdiagnosing packets disappearing over veth pairs is obscure for most people02:07
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: +102:07
Sam-I-Amaight, time to locate food. havent eaten since yesterday.02:07
Sam-I-Amgood chat!02:07
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: the fact that a VM packet crosses like 5 L2 barriers before something that can generate ICMP errors makes it a nightmare02:07
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: ok, ttyl!02:07
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Sam-I-Amyeah :)02:07
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: grab some Taco bell and a case of natural ice :)02:07
Sam-I-Ameeeoooo02:08
Sam-I-Ami'm not 23 anymore02:08
kevinbentonbreakfast of champions02:08
kevinbenton:)02:08
Sam-I-Am35... its more like a steak and scotch02:08
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add precommit_XXX event for security group and rules  https://review.openstack.org/25275502:44
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Change the exception type from ValueError to IpamValueInvalid  https://review.openstack.org/26408602:47
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openstackgerritlinwei wu proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unclear built-in in subnetpool exception  https://review.openstack.org/27064903:33
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_project_guidelines: Document the procedure to make a branch EOL  https://review.openstack.org/27238103:50
openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_project_guidelines: Update after direct-release default  https://review.openstack.org/27237603:50
openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_project_guidelines: Remove "add tarball to launchpad" step  https://review.openstack.org/27237703:50
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openstackgerritlinwei wu proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: neutron wrong command display with u  https://review.openstack.org/27015005:23
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openstackgerritlinwei wu proposed openstack/neutron: Remove unclear built-in in subnetpool exception  https://review.openstack.org/27064905:28
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Add precommit_XXX event for security group and rules  https://review.openstack.org/25275505:35
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anilvenkatashihanzhang: Hi shihanzhang05:57
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shihanzhanganilvenkata: pong06:20
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27337808:01
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openstackgerritvenkata anil proposed openstack/neutron: item allocator should return same value for same key  https://review.openstack.org/26637908:41
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Rename confusing dvr_deletens_if_no_port  https://review.openstack.org/27255508:46
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: sub_project_guidelines: Document the procedure to make a branch EOL  https://review.openstack.org/27238109:08
irenabajo: hey09:09
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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: tempest: Confirm the opposite direction  https://review.openstack.org/27340609:10
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ajohey irenab , morning09:11
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irenabajo: good morning :-)09:11
ajoihrachys, : yes, it seems it's passing: https://review.openstack.org/27311009:12
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openstackgerritZhongcheng Lao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fixed --insecure not taking affect when specified  https://review.openstack.org/27340809:19
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scheuranHi ihrachys, have you seen ZZelle comment about the private classes? Shall I make them public again and go with the docstring? Or any other ideas?09:24
ihrachyslemme check09:24
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ihrachysscheuran: sigh. whatever makes others happy. if you respin quickly, I will update the vote with the change.09:27
ihrachysI mean, I will do nevertheless, but maybe not quick if it's done later :)09:27
scheuranihrachys, will do. thx09:28
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ihrachyshm, actually...09:29
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ihrachysI know what we should do09:29
ihrachysscheuran: how about renaming the module to _something?09:29
ihrachysscheuran: and renaming the classes as per ZZelle suggestion09:29
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ihrachysthen we indicate the module is internal to the tree (as we do with neutron._i18n) but at the same time not overload the 'protected' meaning09:29
ihrachys*private09:30
scheuranihrachys, by module you mean just the files, the package or both?09:30
ihrachysscheuran: neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/agent/agent_manager_base.py -> neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/agent/_agent_manager_base.py09:30
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scheuranihrachys, ok. And in addition I will add the docstring09:31
scheuranZZelle, would that be ok for you?09:31
ihrachysscheuran: the name of the module would already indicate that's private, I don't think we need docstring text forthat09:32
scheuranihrachys, ok!09:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Improve autonested_transaction  https://review.openstack.org/27200109:33
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openstackgerritZongKai LI proposed openstack/neutron: Add hacking check for assertEqual HTTP code  https://review.openstack.org/27341809:46
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openstackgerritAndreas Scheuring proposed openstack/neutron: lb: ml2-agt: Separate AgentLoop from LinuxBridge specific impl  https://review.openstack.org/24631809:47
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scheuranihrachys, ok pushed it - I will let you know as soon the checks have passed09:48
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openstackgerritAndreas Scheuring proposed openstack/neutron: lb: ml2-agt: Separate AgentLoop from LinuxBridge specific impl  https://review.openstack.org/24631810:01
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Compile OVS during stack.sh  https://review.openstack.org/26642310:03
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openstackgerritEvgeny Fedoruk proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: L7 capability implementation for lbaas v2  https://review.openstack.org/21727610:12
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Expose 'get-me-a-network' API  https://review.openstack.org/23330610:27
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add the ability to load a set of service plugins on startup  https://review.openstack.org/27343910:28
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Compile OVS during stack.sh  https://review.openstack.org/26642310:31
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openstackgerritAndreas Scheuring proposed openstack/neutron: Moving Common Agent into separate module  https://review.openstack.org/27344810:44
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP] Compile OVS during stack.sh  https://review.openstack.org/26642311:12
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openstackgerritRossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: SUPER WIP OVO port object  https://review.openstack.org/25364111:14
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fail if required extensions are missing  https://review.openstack.org/27314011:18
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed openstack/neutron: Fix an convered exception in router AFTER_XXX callback  https://review.openstack.org/27347211:34
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ZZellescheuran, hi, yes i would12:09
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mhickeyrossella_s: Hi12:13
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openstackgerritMartin Hickey proposed openstack/neutron: Port Extra Dhcp Opt to OVO  https://review.openstack.org/27307212:23
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drajcanHi guys I have problem with LBaaS service on Liberty ... there is an error that when I create a load balancer, the namespace is not created ant this warning message apperas ... 2016-01-27 22:28:50.324 19943 WARNING neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.drivers.haproxy.namespace_driver [-] Stats socket not found for pool 0006e77c-7be2-4d8c-b547-6890c6e8a2dd12:45
drajcanI have deployed controller and compute services on same node ... I am using LinuxBridge driver for that12:45
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drajcanCould someone give me a help with this ?12:45
pc_mdrajcan: Hi,  try over in the openstack-lbaas IRC channel...12:46
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scheuranZZelle, ok great. needed to do a recheck, so it might take another 3 hours until it's validated...12:47
openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Increase default IPv6 router advertisement interval  https://review.openstack.org/26546012:47
gparaskevas#openstack-lbaas12:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: Raise RetryRequest on policy parent not found  https://review.openstack.org/27303412:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron: create_object should not add an ID if not present in the DB model  https://review.openstack.org/27259912:50
openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: filter items need type conversion  https://review.openstack.org/27231112:50
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Compile OVS for functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/26642312:51
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ZZellescheuran, 3h? the queue is so low?12:53
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: OpenVSwitch conntrack based firewall driver  https://review.openstack.org/24933712:54
scheuranZZelle, was just a feeling - but had a look it was 2:10 hours12:56
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ZZellescheuran, ok12:56
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openstackgerritArtur Korzeniewski proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Introducing the Subnet OVO  https://review.openstack.org/26427313:00
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openstackgerritArtur Korzeniewski proposed openstack/neutron: OVO common enum classes for IP version and IPv6 modes.  https://review.openstack.org/27351713:06
rossella_smhickey, hey, sorry I was your ping yesterday but you were offline13:06
rossella_skorzen, btw I update the port OVO patch if you want to have a look13:06
korzenthe super wip ovo one?13:07
openstackgerritArtur Korzeniewski proposed openstack/neutron: WIP Introducing the Subnet OVO  https://review.openstack.org/26427313:09
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openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: replace dashes with underscores on controller lookup  https://review.openstack.org/27231213:38
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openstackgerritLubosz Kosnik proposed openstack/neutron: WIP - Add support for Keepalived health check  https://review.openstack.org/27354613:45
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HenryGihrachys: ping13:46
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ihrachysHenryG: hey13:46
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HenryGihrachys: I see "enable_service q-qos" in neutron/tests/contrib/gate_hook.sh13:47
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HenryGihrachys: Does that mean devstack gets qos service in neutron's jobs?13:48
Sam-I-Ammornings13:48
ihrachysHenryG: only in api job13:50
ihrachysHenryG: I think that's the api specific section that enables it13:50
ihrachysHenryG: integrated jobs do not use hook13:51
HenryGihrachys: that's all I need actually, great13:51
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27337814:06
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mhickeyrossella_s: Hi. Sorry was away14:07
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rossella_smhickey, I was thinking about the problem you mentioned yesterday...i has something similar because I didn't call reset_changes on the object14:08
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mhickeyrossella_s: I tracked it down to an issue I had with the primary key. I put in a temporary solution for it and it worked. I was unsure what the actual primary key until I pinged HenryG and he pointed me to the HasId class extended by the model and that it usese id under the hood.14:10
rossella_smhickey, great14:11
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mhickeyrossella_s: sure. it took a bit of debugging but got there in the end! always easier when you find the actual issue! :)14:12
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mhickeyrossella_s: if you get time, maybe take a look at the patch?14:13
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rossella_smhickey, yep, is it in the upgrade team page?14:18
mhickeyrossella_s: yes14:18
rossella_smhickey, will have a look today14:19
mhickeyrossella_s: great; btw, is there another object that I can we working while this patch is in review?14:20
mhickey*be working on14:20
rossella_smhickey, I am still waiting for an answer from roaet ...not sure if he started to work on something14:21
mhickeyroaet, roaet_: ping14:23
mhickeyrossella_s: np; better to avoid duplication! :)14:23
rossella_smhickey, I had a quick look at your patch...I will review more carefully later14:24
rossella_smhickey, anyway it would be great to add tests to your patch14:25
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rossella_smhickey, and as next step you can try to include this extension in the port object14:25
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rossella_smhickey, I've updated today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641 ...14:26
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mhickeyrossella_s: sure. will look into it. thanks! :)14:27
rossella_smhickey, so you add your extension to the port object I am sure you can add tests to make sure everything is find and you'll probably find bugs :)14:27
rossella_smhickey, lots of typos...*fine not find14:28
mhickeyrossella_s: does this need your patch or can I work independently?14:28
rossella_smhickey, well to add the extension to the port object you need the port object, right?14:29
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rossella_smhickey, let's try to keep things as decoupled as possible, otherwise we will get a merge-hell14:29
mhickeyrossella_s: yes, that would make sense! :)14:29
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rossella_smhickey, I did that for the allowed_address_pair extensions. It should be really few changes in the port.py...basically just to add a new field14:30
davidshaihrachys: ping14:30
rossella_smhickey, most of the work will be adding tests...14:30
rossella_smhickey, I was lazy and added only one but we need more14:30
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rossella_smhickey, also if you look at the port tests now, some of them fails because it expects to find tables in the db...I added a note. It would be great if you could fix that :) it should be easy14:32
mhickeyrossella_s: probably best scenario is to get the port patch merged?14:32
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rossella_smhickey, it's still not in shape I think but yes, it's going to be easier after that14:33
mhickeyrossella_s: so would you like me to help out with the port patch or are you on top of it?14:34
mhickeyrossella_s: sorry, little bit confused.14:34
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openstackgerritJakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: OpenVSwitch conntrack based firewall driver  https://review.openstack.org/24933714:43
davidshaihrachys: ping14:44
ihrachysdavidsha: hey14:44
njohnstonWhere can I find the 'restore' button in Gerrit to retrieve a change from abandoned state?14:44
mhickeynjohnston: Hey. I think you need to be core or PTL?14:45
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davidshaihrachys: Hey, quick question, will I put back in the dict that tracks extensions to cookies in the API?14:45
mhickeynjohnston: maybe not visible otherwise14:45
njohnstonmhickey: Ah, I see.  Thanks!14:45
ihrachysnjohnston: show me the link and I will restore it for you14:45
njohnstonihrachys: Thanks much! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19028514:46
ihrachysdavidsha: do you need the map?14:46
mhickeyihrachys: knight in shiuning armour, to the rescue! :)14:46
mhickey*shining14:46
amullerakamyshnikova: Can you take a peak at my comment here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26030314:46
ihrachysnjohnston: do we really need a spec for that?14:46
akamyshnikovaamuller, hi! yes I agree with you14:47
amullerakamyshnikova: ok, I'll give Liu a chance to respond14:47
amullerakamyshnikova: but I'd like to abandon that patch and focus on yours14:47
davidshaihrachys: only to stop agents requesting multiple cookies, but I think you've said before you didn't mind extensions doing that, just wanted clarification.14:47
njohnstonihrachys: ajo had said that it was useful to have to define the scope of the work and the interface for the work.14:47
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akamyshnikovaamuller, I hope I will find some time to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257059/ soon, sorry for delay with that14:48
ihrachysdavidsha: I don't see why we want to enforce that. some extensions may find a need for several cookies (to do some additional distinction between its own flows)14:48
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ihrachysnjohnston: I am fine to restore, just want to make sure you don't do unneeded work14:48
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amullerakamyshnikova: you are not why this effort is taking so long =D14:49
davidshaihrachys: That's a use case I was thinking of. I'll take it out altogether then, thanks!14:49
ihrachysnjohnston: hm, I can't restore specs :)14:50
ihrachysnjohnston: probably drivers only can do it14:50
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ihrachysyou may want to reach to e.g. Armando14:50
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amullerakamyshnikova: this one looks simple enough no? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265685/6/neutron/db/l3_hamode_db.py14:51
mhickeyihrachys, rossella_s: pc_m made a comment asking is there a BP/bug for the ovo work. Is there a need for it?14:52
rossella_smhickey, sorry for the delay and for the confusion...if you have time in the next days I'd appreciate some help with the port object.14:52
akamyshnikovaamuller, yes, I think this one is OK14:52
njohnstonihrachys: Thanks for trying!  I'll bring it up in the next drivers meeting, and maybe ping armax too.  Maybe we don't need it, but having it out there was good to make sure everything was well defined.14:52
amullerakamyshnikova: ok I'll leave review comments in a bit but it looks like we could merge that one soon14:53
mhickeyrossella_s: ok, I will take a look and sync with you as I investigate it.14:53
amullerakamyshnikova: Liu has a lot of patches up14:53
rossella_smhickey, yes please let's sync often if we work at the same patch :)14:53
mhickeyrossella_s: sure; np with that14:53
rossella_smhickey, for the port object is basically get the tests to pass (as said it should be easy) and add new tests14:53
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mhickeyrossella_s: ok, will try my best! :)14:54
rossella_smhickey, pc_m If I am not mistaken armax said we don't need a bp or rfe for that14:54
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rossella_smhickey, thanks for taking this up, feel free to ping me in case of questions14:54
akamyshnikovaamuller, yes, I once go through them, but he updated all of them and I haven't look through them one more time14:54
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ihrachyspc_m: right, it was assumed that we should see some code first, then decide whether we want a spec (though we definitely want some devref for the effort)14:55
mhickeyrossella_s: sure. I am still the "new kid" in town! :)14:55
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mhickeyihrachys, rossella_s: pc_m comment is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268274/314:56
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ihrachysmhickey: we may want to have a catch-all RFE bug though. let's discuss it on Mon (though I won't be present)14:58
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ihrachysmy take is I am fine to have an RFE bug per core resource (network/subnet/port/router/...), it's light weight anyway14:59
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mhickeyihrachys: sure, we can discuss at next meeting as you said.15:00
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pc_mmhickey: ihrachys: Was (am) ina  meeting. That's fine. May be good to have a bug to track these though no?15:03
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ihrachyspc_m: I think it is worth it. the team will discuss it on Mon.15:04
ihrachysrossella_s: ^15:04
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mhickeypc_m: sounds good to me, there are going to be a good few patches15:04
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mhickeypc_m: btw, howdy15:04
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rossella_sI will put it in the agenda ihrachys15:05
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mhickeyrossella_s: thanks; worth chatting about15:06
pc_mmhickey: hi. Been peeking at the OVO work you guys are doing to learn.15:06
rossella_spc_m we have a weekly meeting on monday if you want to join15:07
mhickeypc_m: only getting started myself! :) how;s lbaas? I haven't ventured into there for a while! :)15:07
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mhickeypc_m: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam15:10
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Fix definition of subnet object to not be untyped strings  https://review.openstack.org/26967115:10
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Add formal classes for each of the types of VIF backend config  https://review.openstack.org/26967015:10
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Pass InstanceInfo to the plug/unplug methods  https://review.openstack.org/27360515:10
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: plugin: fix typo in method annotation  https://review.openstack.org/27360615:11
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Fix logic getting access to stevedore loaded plugin instance  https://review.openstack.org/27360715:11
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: tox: ignore E126, E127, E128 indentation checks  https://review.openstack.org/27360815:11
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: import linux bridge plugin implementation  https://review.openstack.org/27360915:11
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: import openvswitch plugin implementation  https://review.openstack.org/27361015:11
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roaetrossella_s: mhickey: howdy15:15
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mhickeyroaet: Hey15:15
roaetrossella_s: mhickey: Are you asking about if we started on dhcp extension?15:15
openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: wrap PUT response with resource name  https://review.openstack.org/27231315:15
mhickeyroaet: yes, just wondering what extensions are you working on. Trying to avoid duplication.15:16
pc_mmhickey: Sorry in meeting... I'll add to my calendar to at least lurk.  I was doing VPNaaS, now helping out on neutron-lib.15:16
roaetmhickey: I have started work on not the DHCP one... which ever one you said you wanted to do15:17
mhickeypc_m: np.15:17
pc_mmhickey: Interested in OVO, as I did callback mechanism migration, but to adopt we may want to use OVO for the notifications.15:17
roaetso unless you've changed there shouldn't be any overlap15:17
roaetbrb15:17
mhickeyroaet: If you have not, could you add the one you are working to the team page even if you don't have a patch. I will probably pick up another object of the queue in the meantime to the extra dhcp.15:18
openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed openstack/neutron: Pecan: get rid of member action hook  https://review.openstack.org/26044015:18
mhickey*off the queue15:18
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openstackgerritZongKai LI proposed openstack/neutron: Add hacking check for assertEqual HTTP code  https://review.openstack.org/27341816:01
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openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Fix logic getting access to stevedore loaded plugin instance  https://review.openstack.org/27360716:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: plugin: fix typo in method annotation  https://review.openstack.org/27360616:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Pass InstanceInfo to the plug/unplug methods  https://review.openstack.org/27360516:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: import openvswitch plugin implementation  https://review.openstack.org/27361016:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: import linux bridge plugin implementation  https://review.openstack.org/27360916:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: tox: ignore E126, E127, E128 indentation checks  https://review.openstack.org/27360816:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Fix definition of subnet object to not be untyped strings  https://review.openstack.org/26967116:18
openstackgerritDaniel Berrange proposed openstack/os-vif: Add formal classes for each of the types of VIF backend config  https://review.openstack.org/26967016:18
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matrohonamuller, dougwig : I'd like to restore https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193770/16:27
matrohonamuller, dougwig : but I can't find the "restore" button :(16:27
amullermatrohon: donew16:28
amullerdone16:28
matrohonamuller, only gerrit admin can do that?16:28
amullermatrohon: dunno, maybe the patch author and cores?16:28
openstackgerritMathieu Rohon proposed openstack/neutron: Uniquely identify tunnel interfaces for fullstack tests  https://review.openstack.org/19377016:29
matrohonamuller, ^16:29
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amullermatrohon: looks good16:31
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amullermatrohon: ping me when CI passes I'll +216:34
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amullermatrohon: I appreciate you taking this over16:34
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matrohonamuller, ok thanks16:34
matrohonamuller, the work was almost done!16:34
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obondarevmestery: ping16:35
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amullermatrohon: that's my secret, I push things to 90% done then forget about them :)16:35
mesteryobondarev: pongalongdingdongyippiekeya16:35
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obondarevmestery: sorry, what? :)16:36
obondarevmestery: I see :)16:36
obondarevmestery: wondering if the process of adding reno notes is documented anywhere16:36
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obondarevmestery: I mean how to generate yaml files16:36
mesteryobondarev: It is one minute16:37
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obondarevmestery: cool16:37
mesteryobondarev: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#creating-new-release-notes16:37
obondarevmestery: perfect, thank you!16:38
mesteryobondarev: yw :)16:38
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mhickeyrossella_s: ping16:41
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openstackgerritEvgeny Fedoruk proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: L7 capability implementation for lbaas v2  https://review.openstack.org/21727616:43
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shwetaapHello, I have a patch which is basically a backport of a fix to stable/kilo - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273274/117:03
shwetaapBut it fails with this error - Error parsing /opt/stack/new/neutron/setup.cfg: ValueError: git history requires a target version of pbr.version.SemanticVersion(2015.1.4), but target version is pbr.version.SemanticVersion(2015.1.3)17:03
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shwetaapI think i need to change the version in setup.cfg to 2015.1.417:04
shwetaapIs that right .. should i create a separate patch for that in stable/kilo?17:04
openstackgerritMathieu Rohon proposed openstack/neutron: Uniquely identify tunnel interfaces for fullstack tests  https://review.openstack.org/19377017:04
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Swamihaleyb: ping17:40
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haleybSwami: pong17:40
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Swamihaleyb: the DVR+SNAt HA patch seems to be in good shape right now.17:41
Swamihaleyb, carl_baldwin: can you guys take a look at it, I think adolfo has addressed all the issues with the failing tests.17:41
Swamiamuller: can you also take a look at the DVR+SNAT HA patch.17:42
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haleybSwami: i had given it a +1 thinking carl_baldwin and amuller would have final say.  It did have some overlap with obondarev 's patch too17:45
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Swamihaleyb: Yes I added to comment in Oleg's patch too. Either way we have work to do. If either one merges first.17:46
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Swamihaleyb: So let us wait for carl_baldwin or amuller suggestion on this.17:46
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amullerSwami: haleyb: I *believe* that if you first merge Oleg's patch then DVR+HA, both patches will end up simpler. If you merge it the other way around, both patches will be more complicated.17:48
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Swamiamuller: if that is the right thing to do, then we will do it the way you and carl_baldwin suggest.17:49
haleybamuller: yes, obondarev implied that as well, i'm fine with that17:50
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add the ability to load a set of service plugins on startup  https://review.openstack.org/27343918:00
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Expose 'get-me-a-network' API  https://review.openstack.org/23330618:00
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manjeets1amotoki: ping ???18:19
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openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fail if required extensions are missing  https://review.openstack.org/27314018:40
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fix required extensions mix-up  https://review.openstack.org/27370518:40
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AJaegerneutron cores, could I get another +2 on this python-neutronclient change for the new translation setup, please? amotoki already gave his +2. dougwig this fixes your tab-completion ;)18:46
openstackgerritOleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron: DVR: avoid race on dvr serviceable port deletion  https://review.openstack.org/27263418:48
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openstackgerritMoshe Levi proposed openstack/neutron: SR-IOV: Agent remove listen to network delete event  https://review.openstack.org/22195818:58
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prometheanfirewhy doesn't neutron use pyroute2?19:02
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sc68calprometheanfire: because our security model is to run commands via rootwrap19:03
tonybsc68cal: Well soon privsep wich could make use of pyroute219:04
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sc68caltonyb: right, but that work hasn't happened yet19:04
tonybsc68cal: Sure.19:05
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manjeets1anybody have any idea about translation of name to network id ?19:09
manjeets1how thats happens inside client ?19:09
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manjeets1I am implementing a cli which takes network id but not able to figure out how to translate name to id19:10
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prometheanfireis that split targeted for the n release?19:14
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njohnstonI was reading http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/networking-guide/adv_config_ipv6.html#neutron-s-distributed-router-feature-and-ipv6 and I saw the statement, "IPv6 does work when the Distributed Virtual Router functionality is enabled, but all ingress/egress traffic is via the centralized router (hence, not distributed). More work is required to fully enable this functionality."19:25
njohnstonIs that work that is targeted for Mitaka?  Asking for a friend.19:25
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Swaminjohnston: When you say all ingree/egress traffic is via the centralized router, are you talking about the SNAT traffic.19:29
Swamis/ingree/ingress19:29
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njohnstonWell, that's what the document says, I would suppose it means all NAT traffic based on it's wording.19:33
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Swaminjohnston: Yes, I agree that the documentation needs some correction. What they meant is the East-West is IPv6 complaint but the North-South is still not fully IPv6 complaint.19:35
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njohnstonSwami: So a tenant network hanging off a router instance with IPv6, will the gateway for the IPv6 network be in the namespace or in the SVI?19:37
Swaminjohnston: what do you mean by SVI:19:37
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njohnstonswitch virtual interface19:37
Swaminjohnston: The tenant's gateway will be configured in the namespace of each and every distributed router. But for external traffic, it will be redirected to either the Network Node for SNAT traffic or forward it to the FIP Namespace on local node for External traffic if DNAT enabled.19:39
njohnstonI thought IPv6 didn't use SNAT19:40
* sc68cal sharpens his machete19:40
sc68calit better not.19:40
Swamiyes19:41
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SwamiThat is the reason it is using dual stack, for some of the external traffic it is still using IPv4 between the namespace to the physical network, that's what I understood. sc68cal correct me if I am wrong.19:44
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sc68calSwami: I haven't had the time to examine the DVR datapath for v619:45
sc68calor really examine DVR at all.19:46
Swamihaleyb: do you have any thoughts on this.19:46
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Swaminjohnston: I will get back to you on that question.19:51
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njohnstonThanks!19:51
sc68calSwami: instead of getting back to njohnston can you guys push a patch to the networking guide to clarify19:52
njohnstonsc68cal: +119:53
Swamisc68cal: will do that as well.19:53
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Swamisc68cal: let me ask you how the legacy routers handle IPv6 traffic to the VM instances.19:57
Swamior floatingip traffic.19:57
sc68calno floating ips in v619:57
sc68call3 agent spawns an radvd process in the router namespace19:58
Swamisc68cal: what about the VM's that have SNAt configured. What will happen if IPv6 is configured.19:58
sc68calsnat only happens on v4 side19:58
mnaserhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1502356 -- can i get some input/thoughts on this? a feature that is actively there and we use has gotten deprecated19:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1502356 in neutron "max_fixed_ips_per_port appears to be unnecessary" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)19:58
mnaserfor no specific reason either, other than "this doesn't have a use case" :\19:58
SwamiSo if a VM has to reach out and has IPv6 address, it directly sends the packet out.19:59
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sc68calSwami: yeah it transmits it to whatever the gateway is, which was transmitted to the vm via radvd19:59
Swamiok19:59
Swamiso in that case, there should not be any difference in how the DVR works as well.19:59
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sc68calSwami: does DVR take the IPv6 LLA of the gateway and place it in all the dvr namespaces on the computes?20:00
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Swamisc68cal: I think it does.20:01
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sc68calok. I'll need to double check all this once I get access to my multinode lab again20:02
* haleyb can look in his20:02
sc68calworks for me20:03
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Swamisc68cal: haleyb: thanks.20:03
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openstackgerritVictor Howard proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: python neutronclient changes to reflect DSCP QoS implementation  https://review.openstack.org/25428020:07
haleybSwami: sc68cal: i see the same MAC and ipv6 LL and global on both the compute node qrouter and controller qrouter namespace20:07
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Swamihaleyb: so it behaving similar to centralized routers.20:09
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haleybSwami: I was the one that added that note to the doc regarding centralized router for ipv620:09
haleybyes, well, all IPv6 packets are tunneled to centralized router for forwarding20:10
Swamihaleyb: now I understand what that doc 'note' states.20:10
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SwamiIt says that external connectivity for the VM other than FIP traffic is still centralized and not distributed.20:10
haleybThat seems correct, since there is no FIPv620:11
Swaminjohnston: now I understand the doc correct20:11
* sc68cal secretly wishes we could delegate a /64 per compute node and get rid of shared l2 20:11
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Swamihaleyb: do you think we need to reword that "NOTE".20:12
Swamihaleyb: or shall we leave it as such.20:13
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Uniquely identify tunnel interfaces for fullstack tests  https://review.openstack.org/19377020:13
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haleybSwami: the note regarding VMs using LLA's without openstack participation?20:14
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haleybwithout Openstack (neutron) things won't be configured properly, so it can probably be deleted20:14
Swamihaleyb: this is about the Networking-guide note about "Neutron Distributed Routed feature and IPv6" for liberty.20:15
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sc68calI think there is a link to "view source"20:15
haleybI think that is OK, but the Note above it maybe seems wrong20:15
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amullerZZelle_: if you're there, https://review.openstack.org/193770 is good on my end20:16
Swamihaleyb: ok20:16
* ZZelle_ looking20:16
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haleybSwami: the "issue" with IPv6 is that if you want your VM to be reachable via it's GUA, then you need to use PD.  This is because that's the only way for the upstream router to learn where to send traffic for the /64 you have configured on your private network20:18
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Delete unused Tempest code, import from Tempest and tempest_lib  https://review.openstack.org/26977120:18
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Remove additional Tempest files  https://review.openstack.org/26994120:18
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haleybSwami: but I have been warming-up to using proxy-NDP to make this work (which I've played with in my lab)20:19
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Swamihaleyb: you mean proxy-NDP to forward traffic directly to external network or just east-west traffic.20:20
haleybnorth-south20:20
sc68calhaleyb: rfc4389 ?20:21
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haleybsc68cal: i don't know, will look, this was based on an old draft by robert li20:22
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Swamihaleyb: ok, that is interesting.20:24
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haleybSwami, sc68cal: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ipv6-router-and-dvr - like i said, am starting to think this is one (of many) ways to do this20:27
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amullersc68cal: hey Sean - Do you remember a bug or patch that allows you to set the default security group rules? So that when a new SG is created it'll use a custom set of default rules?20:27
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sc68calhaleyb: nice find. thanks20:28
sc68calamuller: I'll have to dig - that sounds familiar20:28
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ZZelle_amuller, one question about https://review.penstack.org/#/c/193770/19/neutron/tests/common/agents/ovs_agent.py, utf encoding is required because py34 hashlib handles bytes?20:28
amullersc68cal: right? I looked through all bugs tagged with 'sg-fw' and couldn't find it20:28
amullerZZelle_: yeah you'd get a py34 error without that20:28
amullersc68cal: I do remember something about that though. I have someone requesting it now, it seems like a really useful thing to have20:29
sc68calamuller: I see an e-mail from 201320:29
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sc68calhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/3424720:29
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sc68calbetter one20:30
sc68calhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038360.html20:30
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sc68calhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/default-rules-for-default-security-group20:30
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amullersc68cal: oh the blueprint says complete. Did we merge it? =D20:30
amullerthat's nice20:30
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sc68calamuller: I see it's marked as obsolete20:31
sc68calthat might change the status to complete20:31
amullersc68cal: oh oops I was looking at the wrong thing. damn.20:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-neutronclient: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27337820:32
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sc68calamuller: so looks like it's stuck in development limbo20:32
sc68calhad patches and a spec, but died in obscurity20:33
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haleybSwami, sc68cal: regarding IPv6 NDP - the one problem I think is that we don't necesarrily want to proxy for a prefix that isn't configured on the upstream interface - i.e. only for a prefix the user has been allocated.  Maybe that's subnetpools?  That's why PD is the only way today - we know the prefix from from the infrastructure20:35
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sc68calhaleyb: right.20:35
Swamihaleyb: got it20:36
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sc68calI don't know how far we want to go down that rathole either. Sort of a fan of prefix delegation20:36
sc68calwere I to have a magic wand I'd like to rework everything so that each compute node does a prefix delegation20:37
openstackgerritArtur Korzeniewski proposed openstack/neutron: OVO common enum classes for IP version and IPv6 modes.  https://review.openstack.org/27351720:37
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pc_mamotoki: ping20:45
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haleybsc68cal: i'd be interested to see how PD per compute node would work - would a prefix no longer be per-tenant?  I guess I think that having >1 way to do this is fine, since this can even be per-network.  Unless you want to write an IETF draft on distributed prefix delegation20:46
haleyboh, and don't forget BGP... like I said, there's more than one way to get the return route plumbed20:46
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sc68calhaleyb: yeah I guess it would blow up pretty much every concept we have in neutron20:47
sc68calbut I mean it'd be similar to the docker model, for how they do v620:47
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* haleyb hasn't followed the docker model20:48
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haleybsc68cal: i'm open to any suggestions, just think we need an option to support distributed ipv6 - proxy ndp seems low-hanging fruit, even with warts20:50
sc68calhaleyb: no I think your idea is much more workable than my pie in the sky20:51
haleybmmm, pie20:51
Sam-I-Amdid someone say pie?20:51
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sc68calI am already working on getting OVS' l2pop support to work for v620:51
sc68calI looked at Linux Bridge's and of course it already works20:52
Sam-I-Amand lb? :)20:52
haleyband i can't take credit, it was robert et al that did that draft20:52
haleybsc68cal: yes, i saw that review, seemed doable20:52
sc68calhaleyb: right, but they didn't really communicate it will I think, it took us some time to catch up to them20:52
sc68cal*it well20:52
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haleybyes, we were looking at PD20:53
haleybsc68cal: this is starting to sound like a new draft and/or design summit session20:55
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sc68calhaleyb: trying to resist making a "no live demo" joke. and failing.20:57
sc68caldesign summit session sounds good to me20:57
Sam-I-Amworks on devstack20:57
russellbsc68cal: how are you doing the equiv of l2pop working in OVS for IPv6?20:57
sc68calrussellb: it's pretty similar to the flow matching that they do for arp20:58
sc68cal(i don't know if it works yet)20:58
haleybrussellb: https://review.openstack.org/265629 is the review20:58
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Sam-I-Amwill be interesting to test20:59
openstackgerritNate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron: l2-agent-extensions-agent-api  https://review.openstack.org/26759120:59
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russellbsc68cal: i didn't think enough extensions were there to do it for some reason21:03
russellbis why i asked21:03
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sc68calrussellb: part of the issue was I was cheating and looking at the OVS version where nicira extensions were present, and they had matches for icmpv621:04
russellbyep, that's ovs 2.5+21:04
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russellb(for being able to modify icmp fields that is)21:04
sc68calyep21:04
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sc68calso realistically we'll be able to gate on ovs 2.5+ in 201821:05
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sc68calsince 16.04 LTS will have 2.421:06
russellbi don't see why we'd have to wait that long ...21:06
amullersc68cal: we can gate on whatever ovs version we want today21:06
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Sam-I-Amrussellb: how about 2017?21:06
sc68calamuller: oh?21:06
russellbhow about 2016?21:06
russellbit'll likely be in CentOS 7 in 2016.21:06
sc68calamuller: how do we do that?21:07
amullersc68cal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266423/21:07
russellbif you want to stick to base distro package anyway21:07
sc68calamuller: oh for crissake21:07
amullerwhat =p21:07
russellband yeah, source in the immediate term for a non-voting thingy.21:07
russellbi don't see why that's crazy if what you're wanting to test is brand new features.21:08
amullerno openstack distro is using ovs 2.021:08
amullerI have no idea why we're gating on 2.021:08
sc68calubuntu does21:08
sc68cal14.04 LTS21:08
amulleropenstack distro, not linux distro21:08
russellband you think serious deployments using ovs don't end up upgrading ovs?21:09
amullerovs 2.0 is crippled21:09
sc68calrussellb: most do - I agree21:09
russellbk :)21:09
Sam-I-Ami highly doubt anyone uses 2.0 in prod21:09
sc68calthe trouble is that infra people chimed in that cloud-archive has serious issues21:09
sc68cal*has had21:09
sc68caland it was hard to get an image to gate on that had cloud-archive added21:09
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amullerwe don't need infra, or packages, or cloud-archive21:10
sc68calI think it's wise to have us gate something that is going to be similar to how people deploy21:10
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amulleryeah, so why use ovs 2.0 =D21:10
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sc68calright - but the only way we get ovs 2.0+ is via cloud-archive for ubuntu21:10
amullerI want to compile against a 2.5 patch, then when 2.5 is released we gate against 2.5 HEAD21:10
Sam-I-Ami'd say most people either use the rdo or cloud-archive version or build their own packages from a stable release like 2.421:10
amullerwhich is what people will use in around 4-5 months anyway21:11
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Sam-I-Amthe problem is when something in ovs head breaks and we're stuck trying to figure out whats broken21:11
amullerno, we'll never gate against HEAD21:11
sc68calagain, the trouble is that cloud-archive, in the past they tried to use it on the images we use to gate, they had a lot of issues21:11
amullersorry I was unclear21:11
Sam-I-Amhence why i think the regular check job would be stable, and anything else would be experimental21:11
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Sam-I-Amamuller: ahh ok :)21:11
amullerSam-I-Am: I mean we'll gate against whatever 2.5 is when it's released, we will always gate against a specific git hash21:12
amullernever a moving target21:12
RichardRaseleyIs it possible to pass a session from python-keystoneclient to python-neutronclient? Or do I have to use the integrated python-neutronclient auth capability?21:12
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Sam-I-Amamuller: we can also let various gate jobs select the version21:14
Sam-I-Amlike ovn might want to use some sha near head21:14
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amullerSam-I-Am: that's what we're doing, the patch by Kuba enables OVS from source presently only for the functional job21:14
Sam-I-Amor anything thats bleeding edge21:14
amullerSam-I-Am: I want fullstack to use OVS from source as well21:14
Sam-I-Amjust need to make it modular enough21:14
amullerand I'd vote to move to OVS from source for all jobs once 2.5 is released21:14
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: ^ needs more neutron-lib :)21:14
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sc68calMy concern though, is that 16.04 will drop with OVS 2.421:15
amullerI think gating against a 2.5 release instead of 2.0 makes much more sense21:15
Sam-I-Amyeah, me too. might be interesting to see what falls out of that.21:15
sc68calso how are we going to handle that?21:15
amullerwe'll continue to build from source21:15
sc68calok but that's not what i'm asking21:15
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sc68calwhat are we going to do for real users who use LTS and OVS 2.4?21:16
sc68caltell them to compile ovs from source?21:16
amullerahh I see21:16
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amullerfor RDO, we're currently using OVS 2.4 for RDO 6, 7, 8 and 921:16
sc68calbelieve me I'm not happy with gating on OVS 2.021:16
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amullerHP distro is using either 2.3 or 2.421:16
amullerhaleyb: ^21:16
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: i wonder how many people actually use the version of openstack that comes with an LTS21:16
Sam-I-Amright now it'd still be icehouse21:17
sc68calSam-I-Am: they most likely use cloud-archive. I'd bet good money on it21:17
Sam-I-Amif they even do that. a lot of people dont use distro packages.21:17
amulleryou just can't use OVS 2.0 in prod, sc68cal if Mirantis customers are using OVS 2.0 you can shoot me when we meet in Austin21:17
Sam-I-Amits usually some form of source deployment or they roll their own distro packages21:17
amullerit's even legal there21:17
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amullerwhat I'm saying is that when OVS 2.5 is released I expect people to adopt it fairly quickly21:18
Sam-I-Amone would hope21:18
Sam-I-Ama lot of people fear rolling their own packages due to all the low-level dependencies21:18
Sam-I-Amkernels and stuff21:19
Sam-I-Amhow does that mix with system package updates, etc21:19
sc68calamuller: oh I agree, no ovs 2.0 in prod unless you like segfaults. I'm sure MOS packages something up21:19
sc68calmore recent21:19
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sc68calbut MOS has a whole team that handles packaging21:19
amullerthe same argument could be made against ovs 2.4 in ubuntu 16.04 in a few months. I don't care about what Ubuntu packages in their LTS releases if no one is using it anyway.21:20
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Sam-I-Amcloud-archive more or less augments whatever was included with LTS, so LTS doesnt get stale.21:20
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haleybamuller: we're using 2.3, but always moving forward for features21:23
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amullerhaleyb: RDO switched to 2.4 fairly recently21:24
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* haleyb had to be vague since announcing when things move forward is not his department, but I know 2.4 is better, and has IPv6 tunnel support :)21:26
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amullerhaleyb: you don't do night shifts for sales? :)21:27
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haleybi tried sales once, one week later i quit to go back to the tech bench building PCs, and the rest is history...21:33
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Swamihaleyb: same here21:35
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openstackgerritNate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: DSCP QoS rule implementation  https://review.openstack.org/25173821:41
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roaetrossella_s: howdy you avail?21:51
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amotokipc_m: hi21:52
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openstackgerritNate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron: l2-agent-extensions-agent-api  https://review.openstack.org/26759121:54
openstackgerritNate Johnston proposed openstack/neutron: WIP: DSCP QoS rule implementation  https://review.openstack.org/25173821:54
pc_mamotoki: Just had a quick question on oslo i18n21:54
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pc_mamotoki: Do we need to import _ for modules that use _("foo")?21:55
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pc_mamotoki: I see it in neutron, but not neutron-vpnaas.21:55
amotokipc_m: yes. we need to import a oslo i18n wrapper.21:55
amotokipc_m: we have it in vpnaas too21:56
amotokipc_m: for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261111/4/neutron_vpnaas/db/vpn/vpn_validator.py21:56
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pc_mamotoki: Hmmm. mmaybe I had an old repo.21:56
amotokipc_m: ah... it is a part of my patch...21:56
pc_mamotoki: not upstreamed yet?21:57
amotokipc_m: yeah..21:57
pc_mamotoki: OK. I was wondering why it wasn't there.21:57
pc_mamotoki: With it missing, should we see failures?21:58
* pc_m we don't21:58
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Fullstack: Add helper FakeFullstackMachinesList  https://review.openstack.org/27377521:58
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amotokipc_m: no. at now _ is registered to python builtins namespace, so it does not fail.21:58
pc_mamotoki: ah OK.21:58
pc_mamotoki: thanks!21:58
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amotokipc_m: this file does the magic https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/__init__.py21:59
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pc_mamotoki: So that adds it to the dict and marks with a warning?22:01
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HenryGdasm: ping22:04
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27378122:07
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron-lib: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27378422:08
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Update translation setup  https://review.openstack.org/27378522:09
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openstackgerritJeffrey Longstaff proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Defines the spec for new neutron blueprint to create an LBaaSv2 plugin driver for F5 Networks applicances.  https://review.openstack.org/27379422:21
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openstackgerritJames Dempsey proposed openstack/neutron: Add a description field to security group rules  https://review.openstack.org/26988722:29
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mlavalleSam-I-Am: Help.... we got this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1538695. What is the next step with it?22:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1538695 in neutron " sriov-mech: Introduce a new VIF type for PF vnic type" [Undecided,New]22:31
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Sam-I-Ammlavalle: looking22:36
Sam-I-Ammlavalle: looks like we just need to tell people what it does and how to use it22:37
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Sam-I-Amfor example, do you create a neutron port first, then do something in nova... or is some of it automagic, etc.22:38
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mlavalleSam-I-Am: how do you classify a bug like this. rfe?22:38
Sam-I-Amwell, it looks like the work's been done from the coding side. docs dont really have rfes.22:39
Sam-I-Amif its a big thing, it usually float on a spec for one or more documents for an upcoming release22:40
Sam-I-Amthis looks pretty small22:40
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Compile OVS for functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/26642322:42
mlavalleSam-I-Am: so I am going to assign importance low to it. ok?22:43
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mlavalleSam-I-Am: maybe also classify as low hanging fruit?22:43
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Sam-I-Amwell, its important that it gets documented sooner than later22:44
Sam-I-Amotherwise no one knows it exists22:44
Sam-I-Ami dont think its low-hanging-fruit because it requires understanding how neutron and nova need to work for it22:44
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Sam-I-AmLHF usually is for things like typos or things that include everything someone without any knowledge of the issue can patch22:44
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mlavalleSam-I-Am: ok, cool22:46
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haleybHenryG: gerrit is usually pretty good at updating bugs, but there's no closes-bug so it doesn't know23:04
HenryGhaleyb: yes, I will add bug references in the patches when I update them next23:05
haleybnp23:05
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armaxamotoki: ping23:22
amotokiarmax: pong23:22
armaxamotoki: hi23:22
armaxI was wondering if you happen to work closely with hirofuma23:23
armaxsorry I mean hichihara23:23
armaxyou both at NTT no?23:23
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amotokiarmax: no, he is at NTT and i am at NEC, both in japan23:23
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armaxamotoki: doh23:24
armaxsorry I got confused23:24
amotokiboth are Nxx :)23:24
armaxwell I remember now that nachi was at NTT23:24
armaxwasn’t he?23:24
amotokiyeah exactly23:24
armaxmy apologies for the mistake23:24
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amotokino problem23:25
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armaxI wanted to gauge him on 148929123:25
armaxbug 148929123:25
openstackbug 1489291 in neutron "[RFE] Add tags to neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1489291 - Assigned to Gal Sagie (gal-sagie)23:25
armaxthe bp still needs an approver and since you’re pretty good, you’re local and don’t look oversubscribed I wonder if you could tag with him to deliver the functionality23:26
armaxwhast do you reckon?23:26
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Sam-I-Amarmax: did you want to talk to me about something... late last week?23:26
Sam-I-Amthen things sort of got fuzzy23:27
amotokiIs he working on this bug?23:27
armaxSam-I-Am: I wanted to touch base on the mtu story23:27
Sam-I-Amahh yes, the infamous mtu story23:27
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armaxbut it’s probably getting late on this side of the world to have such a tough talk23:27
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armaxamotoki: he volunteered, but I am unable to catch him on irc23:27
armaxamotoki: so I am not sure what’s the latest23:27
amotokiarmax: ah.. i see23:27
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Sam-I-Amarmax: sounds like a good reason to break out the scotch23:28
amotokiarmax: I am okay with an approver of that.23:28
armaxamotoki: ok, let’s see where he’s at23:28
armaxamotoki: if you happen to see him on irc today23:28
amotokii'll try to catch him too.23:28
armaxamotoki: that’d be great, tnx23:29
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armaxSam-I-Am: I think I am going to break out in bed!23:29
Sam-I-Amarmax: oh, you werent talking about our conversation :/23:29
amotokiarmax: it is 8am now. I think he will be online in a couple of hours.23:30
armaxamotoki: cool23:30
armaxSam-I-Am: I was planning on having an ‘early night’, it’s 11.30pm here :)23:30
Sam-I-Amarmax: ohhhh, you're not here23:30
Sam-I-Amor here-ish23:30
armaxI’ll be back soon enough23:30
Sam-I-Amwell, you know how to find me23:30
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Sam-I-Amsay 'mtu' in the channel :)23:31
Sam-I-Amor docs23:31
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron: Update translation setup for neutron subprojects  https://review.openstack.org/27382023:33
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rossella_sroaet, hey23:42
rossella_sroaet, avail what?23:43
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fix required extensions mix-up  https://review.openstack.org/27370523:44
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fail if required extensions are missing  https://review.openstack.org/27314023:44
rossella_sroaet, if you are working on some port extension, it would be nice to know so that we don't duplicate the work. Please add it in the upgrade team page. There are other people looking for tasks, it's good to keep track what's being worked on23:45
rossella_sroaet, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam23:45
openstackgerritArmando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Fail if required extensions are missing  https://review.openstack.org/27314023:46
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