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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add tunneling support to full stack tests https://review.openstack.org/190786 | 00:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add l2pop support to full stack tests https://review.openstack.org/190832 | 00:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Enable fullstack multinode tests, add L3 HA test to prove https://review.openstack.org/188221 | 00:26 |
| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Skip rescheduling networks if no DHCP agents available https://review.openstack.org/190876 | 00:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Add logging of agent heartbeats https://review.openstack.org/181132 | 00:31 |
| boris-42 | mestery: ping | 00:31 |
| boris-42 | mestery: http://logs.openstack.org/96/190796/4/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-rally/7a18e43/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 00:31 |
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| enikanorov | boris-42: omg, not this piece of code again | 00:33 |
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| boris-42 | enikanorov: seems like it destroyed rally gates | 00:33 |
| enikanorov | boris-42: do you know when did it start to fail? | 00:33 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: about 10 hours ago | 00:34 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: maybe 14 | 00:34 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: how can I help you to fix it ? | 00:34 |
| enikanorov | pymysql... is it a new mysql client library we use | 00:34 |
| enikanorov | ? | 00:34 |
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| boris-42 | enikanorov: maybe | 00:35 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: so this one https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/f08e9f1f53efa97e07f21ca72a940fcbeb4570e5 ? | 00:36 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: let's try to make depends-on and try to revert it? | 00:36 |
| enikanorov | commit ca01ebc1203dd04a29ca430144d7023c542b5d49 | 00:36 |
| enikanorov | Merge: 82042c0 f08e9f1 | 00:36 |
| enikanorov | Author: Jenkins <jenkins@review.openstack.org> | 00:36 |
| enikanorov | Date: Wed Jun 10 04:15:09 2015 +0000 | 00:36 |
| enikanorov | Merge "Switch from MySQL-python to PyMySQL" | 00:36 |
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| enikanorov | yeah, apparently we've switched | 00:37 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: so it's simple to test | 00:37 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: one moment | 00:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Switch from MySQL-python to PyMySQL" https://review.openstack.org/190880 | 00:41 |
| enikanorov | boris-42: in fact it looks like sqlalchemy bug, but that's the first impression | 00:43 |
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| boris-42 | enikanorov: if this pass https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190882/ | 00:45 |
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| boris-42 | enikanorov: it will mean that we high priotiry bug somehwere | 00:45 |
| enikanorov | boris-42: sure it should. it's clearly a result of move to new underlying library | 00:45 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: so what to do for now? | 00:46 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: reduce load in Rally gates?) | 00:46 |
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| enikanorov | boris-42: not really. i think revert will do for now. We'll need to fix those issues and then try to reapply it. | 00:48 |
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| boris-42 | enikanorov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1464363 | 00:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464363 in Rally "Gate (gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-rally) broken" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Chris St. Pierre (stpierre) | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Switch from MySQL-python to PyMySQL" https://review.openstack.org/190880 | 00:51 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: why all CI says that they are not able to merge change? | 00:52 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov: anyway need to sleep see you | 00:52 |
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| ijw | Mm, core baiting is the best form of paid work | 01:07 |
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| sc68cal | ijw: ssshhhhh ;) | 01:09 |
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| ijw | TC baiting would work, I suppose, but that's so passé | 01:10 |
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| mestery | ijw: Is that like PE baiting? | 01:21 |
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| ijw | mestery: you're just so uncool | 01:21 |
| mestery | lol | 01:21 |
| mestery | ijw: I look forward to having beers with you at some point in the future my friend :) | 01:22 |
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| ijw | On the ML: "the spec that I pushed and had approved did not make a lot of sense" | 01:49 |
| ijw | I'll leave you to imagine the writer and spec in question... | 01:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Make Daemon pidfile arg optional https://review.openstack.org/183412 | 03:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce privilege separation process https://review.openstack.org/155631 | 03:10 |
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| trinaths | Hi, Good Morning all | 04:52 |
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| alex_xu | salv-orlando: sorry, I review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136760/ late few hours, but I commented on the review also. hope you can take a look at when you have time | 05:15 |
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| salv-orlando | alex_xu: sure, I'll do that during the day | 05:18 |
| alex_xu | salv-orlando: thanks | 05:19 |
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| enikanorov | hey, army of neutrons | 05:27 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: hmmm... I'm looking at a whole slew of jobs that went into the gate after I left the computer yesterday, and they all failed on seemingly neutron / pymysql things, so maybe my opinion changes on that one about needing to revert. | 10:33 |
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| sdague | it's definitely a race though, because the patch passed some neutron jobs when it landed | 10:34 |
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| jogo | http://logs.openstack.org/68/188468/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/e1b8114/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz?level=INFO | 11:19 |
| jogo | your logs are massive | 11:19 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: you may be right if that's bring the gate in a state where it's pretty much blocked | 12:07 |
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| salv-orlando | but on the other, I guess you're aware that if we just revert it would be more difficult to find people to look at failures arising from the switch to pymysql | 12:08 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: a wedged gate is a good incentive to get people on bugs | 12:09 |
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| ZZelle | salv-orlando, hi, what is the trouble with pymysql? | 12:14 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: so, my suggestion is to get us working again. Then probably figure out a way that all other projects are running with pymysql, neutron isn't, but neutron has extra check job (non voting) that is so people can work on it | 12:15 |
| salv-orlando | ZZelle: it uncovered some bug in neutron. somewhere probably around default sec group http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg55547.html | 12:15 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: sounds good to me | 12:15 |
| ZZelle | salv-orlando, good to know as i am working to move functional tests to pymysql | 12:16 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: it's wider than that actually | 12:16 |
| sdague | I think there are a lot of db races in there which expose, I found it failing randomly in quite a few places on my jobs | 12:17 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: I was only looking at that single neutron job, and found all the failures were around security group creation (then something else led me to believe it was about the default security group, which has special handling), but I only have a single datapoint. | 12:23 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: the bug I filed has a failure elsewhere | 12:24 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: good to know. It's funny that we thought that moving to pymysql would have solved the eventlet issues leading to that lock wait timeout error. Apparently it made it worse. But I'm just speculating, the root cause might be something else | 12:25 |
| sdague | so, it's not that surprising. It just moved the hot spots around | 12:25 |
| sdague | and exposed where some synchronization was expected, but not explicit | 12:26 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: indeed. being python-only, it extended the possibility of eventlet yielding in the middle of transaction | 12:26 |
| sdague | yep | 12:26 |
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| swat30 | akamyshnikova, sorry, this week has gotten away from me. I see you were able to get the updated patch pushed up to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176019/ | 12:27 |
| moshele | ajo: hi | 12:28 |
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| ajo | hi moshele :) | 12:29 |
| ajo | good work with the l2 extension work, | 12:30 |
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| moshele | ajo: :) | 12:30 |
| ajo | I'm looking to fanout messaging to not lock you too much if we follow the reusable rpc pub/sub thing | 12:30 |
| moshele | ajo: I have some holes regarding how your generic RPC framework will work with the AgentExstension | 12:31 |
| ajo | moshele, feel free to ask | 12:31 |
| ajo | basically, the idea is that when agent sees a new port, passes it to the extension to make sure it will get & subscribe any needed info | 12:32 |
| ajo | for example | 12:32 |
| ajo | if port is tied to qos_profile_id "A", it will get info for, and subscribe for QOS_RULES , id="A" | 12:32 |
| ajo | and provide a callback for any QOS_RULES received | 12:33 |
| ajo | so | 12:33 |
| ajo | when when changes happen to profile "A", the update is fanned out to all agents subscribed, | 12:34 |
| ajo | they receive the update | 12:34 |
| ajo | look for ports using such profile (a local map/dict would do), | 12:34 |
| ajo | and update such ports | 12:34 |
| ajo | moshele, does it make some sense ^ ? :) | 12:34 |
| moshele | ajo: I wander how can I register a callback that is in the extensionAgent which is dynamically loaded | 12:34 |
| ajo | moshele, you can, it's loaded once and keep in memory as a reference from the l2_agent, right? | 12:35 |
| ajo | then you just can provide self.my_callback_for_qos_rules , and it will work | 12:35 |
| ajo | moshele, other option would be to set a default callback l2_agent top | 12:36 |
| ajo | and then route any resource updates down to the right extensions | 12:36 |
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| ajo | btw, I'm still in debt with reading the oslo.messaging documentation regarding fanouts | 12:37 |
| ajo | I guess a normal RPC call won't do, since we may have a topic per resource_type + resource_id | 12:38 |
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| moshele | ajo: can we talk on skype it will be easier from me? | 12:38 |
| ajo | moshele, I'm multitasking a bit now (providing help with some HA verification over stable/kilo) | 12:40 |
| ajo | moshele, I'll be happy to do it when I finish that | 12:40 |
| moshele | ajo: my skype is moshe.levi83 feel free to contact me, I just want to verify that all plugin to agent communication is covered and we don't miss anything | 12:42 |
| ajo | moshele, I will, thanks!, the faster we clarify everything the better | 12:43 |
| moshele | ajo: :) | 12:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas H. Xu proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Make changes based on comments from Akihiro https://review.openstack.org/191086 | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | enikanorov__: ping | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Use sets to calculate added/original/removed ips https://review.openstack.org/190623 | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | mestery: I tagged one RFE with nova-neutron since it has cross project relevance, if you see any others that may need cross project coordination tag 'em with nova-neutron | 14:17 |
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| HenryG | salv-orl_: ping | 14:35 |
| HenryG | armax: ping | 14:35 |
| armax | HenryG: pong | 14:36 |
| HenryG | armax: https://review.openstack.org/190880 | 14:36 |
| armax | HenryG: what about it? | 14:37 |
| HenryG | armax: are we going to do the revert? Or still looking to find the issue? | 14:37 |
| armax | HenryG: that’s a tricky one | 14:38 |
| HenryG | armax: I see salv-orl_ and sdague talked about reverting | 14:38 |
| sdague | HenryG: so I've got the revert in flight, we should make sure that it gets looked at though, because this keep neutron out of any of the python3 work | 14:39 |
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| armax | HenryG: the problem I see with the revert is that we sweep under the rug a problem we should be facing head on | 14:39 |
| sdague | actually, the revert landed | 14:39 |
| HenryG | sdague: link? | 14:39 |
| sdague | HenryG: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191010/ | 14:39 |
| HenryG | sdague: ah, the big hammer | 14:40 |
| armax | sdague: so 190880 could be abandoned I guess | 14:40 |
| amuller | so we reverted, do we have a plan of how to solve the Neutron issues so that we can unrevert? | 14:41 |
| amuller | or more specifically someone that wants to look over this? | 14:41 |
| HenryG | armax: I find it interesting that 190880 failed the rally neutron job | 14:41 |
| armax | I also recall another issue that caused instability to Neutron and we never followed up with it | 14:41 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164363/ | 14:41 |
| sdague | HenryG: because it's still using devstack right? | 14:41 |
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| amuller | armax++ | 14:41 |
| sdague | and devstack is setting the connect url explicitly | 14:41 |
| armax | if we revert these types of issues we tend to forget | 14:42 |
| HenryG | sdague: that makes sense, thanks | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris St. Pierre proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Switch from MySQL-python to PyMySQL" https://review.openstack.org/190880 | 14:42 |
| armax | “forget” | 14:42 |
| sdague | right, so I think we need a second job on neutron that's non voting, and uses this new driver. It's exposable just in the tempest jobs | 14:42 |
| armax | sdague: ++ | 14:42 |
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| armax | sdague: and perhaps the multi-worker switched on by default too | 14:43 |
| sdague | anyone up for taking that on? My plate's pretty full today . | 14:43 |
| armax | sdague: so we pound the heck out of it | 14:43 |
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| armax | sdague: I can whip up a patch to create the job | 14:43 |
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| armax | sdague: experimental queue, you reckon? | 14:43 |
| HenryG | armax: let me know if I can help | 14:44 |
| armax | HenryG: will do | 14:44 |
| sdague | armax: it's run it non-voting on check queue so you have enough volume to see how often it's really failing | 14:44 |
| sdague | s/it's/I'd/ | 14:44 |
| armax | sdague: agreed | 14:44 |
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| armax | sdague: the failure rate is not too bad, but it’s early to say | 14:44 |
| armax | sdague: looking at nova-net vs neutron here: : http://goo.gl/XWXTY4 | 14:45 |
| armax | sdague: but it’s speeding up fast | 14:45 |
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| sdague | yeh, I know I had 3 unrelated patches get hit by this yesterday | 14:45 |
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| sdague | or what I assume is this | 14:45 |
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| armax | sdague: so the failure rate should go down now that 191010 merged | 14:46 |
| armax | sdague: I’ll get the other job created bear with me | 14:47 |
| sdague | so... the other thing, HenryG (or others) if you are up for a devstack-gate change, we should probably put setting the driver explicitly back to python-mysql if NEUTRON is enabled | 14:47 |
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| sdague | armax: yep no worries | 14:47 |
| sdague | HenryG: so that we can then change the devstack default again, but neutron jobs will be protected in general | 14:47 |
| armax | sdague: right, because now you’re reverting for all projects | 14:47 |
| sdague | with some ability to punch through that with armax's new job | 14:47 |
| armax | correct? | 14:47 |
| sdague | armax: yes | 14:47 |
| HenryG | sdague: sounds good, I can hack on that | 14:47 |
| sdague | armax: it seemed like the safest thing to do, go back to known working, then come up with a more targetted plan | 14:48 |
| armax | HenryG: I think the plan would be to revert’s sdague devstack patch and override the driver for neutron | 14:48 |
| armax | in dg | 14:48 |
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| HenryG | armax: roger that | 14:49 |
| armax | and then ‘reenabled it in a new job’ so that we can nip it in the bud asap | 14:49 |
| armax | on it | 14:49 |
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| HenryG | armax: so you do the new gate job, I fix up devstack? | 14:49 |
| armax | HenryG: I can take of that too | 14:49 |
| armax | HenryG: it’s no biggie | 14:50 |
| HenryG | armax: ok, go ahead. Add me as reviewer | 14:50 |
| armax | HenryG: I’ll let you fix the underlying DB issue :P | 14:50 |
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| HenryG | armax: gee thanks ;) | 14:51 |
| armax | HenryG: you’re very welcome :) | 14:51 |
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| sdague | heh | 14:54 |
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| openstack698 | I am submitting patch for first time, I am unable to figure out the cause of Gerrit failure from the logs, can somebody advise on what the issue is : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190824/ | 15:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Use PyMySQL in MySQL related functional/fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/190342 | 15:13 |
| vishwanathj | openstack698, Jenkins has passed and the failure is in non-voting patch, so you do not have to take any action | 15:13 |
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| vishwanathj | non-voting patch -> non-voting jenkins check | 15:13 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: why don't we revert neutron? | 15:15 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: because devstack overrides | 15:17 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: it's just a db connection string, as I understand it | 15:18 |
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| openstack698 | vishwanathj : thanks, so it means the neutron code review team will take over from here ? | 15:19 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: or are you concerned about something else? | 15:19 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: I was suggesting to revert neutron altogether... something like git rm -rf ./neutron/* && git commit -a -m "adios neutron" && git review | 15:20 |
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| * HenryG sees salv-orlando is in top form ;) | 15:21 | |
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| vishwanathj | openstack698, The code is uploaded to stackforge/vmware-nsx which is a vendor repo and not neutron repo.... | 15:21 |
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| vishwanathj | so somebody in your company who can do +2 should be able to approve it, I think | 15:22 |
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| amuller | salv-orlando: Close all bugs, but reopen every feature request ever :( I don't know what's better | 15:23 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: that was already reverted ‘globally’ | 15:25 |
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| ZZelle | armax, "that" is pymysql in devstack? or in neutron? | 15:25 |
| armax | ZZelle: devstack | 15:26 |
| ZZelle | armax, thx | 15:26 |
| HenryG | ZZelle: https://review.openstack.org/191010 | 15:27 |
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| boris-42 | HenryG: ZZelle uh hope that will help ^ | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Revert "Set default of api_workers to number of CPUs"" https://review.openstack.org/191127 | 15:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Revert "Set default of api_workers to number of CPUs"" https://review.openstack.org/191127 | 16:01 |
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| armax | sdague, HenryG: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:neutron-unstable,n,z | 16:21 |
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| armax | mestery: ^^ | 16:23 |
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| amuller | armax++ | 16:24 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Thanks for your offer to help with the pymysql fallout. Have you looked at logs posted by Eugene? | 16:24 |
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| boris-42 | armax: hi | 16:25 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: yeah, I am thinking that the deadlock is likely the central issue | 16:25 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: the part with the savepoints crapping out might be secondary | 16:25 |
| armax | boris-42: hi | 16:26 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: but why you’d get a lock timeout on an INSERT, that is weird | 16:26 |
| boris-42 | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191141/ | 16:26 |
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| boris-42 | armax: so why not just using Rally for debugging concurrency issues? | 16:26 |
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| zzzeek | “InnoDB uses automatic row-level locking. You can get deadlocks even in the case of transactions that just insert or delete a single row. That is because these operations are not really “atomic”; they automatically set locks on the (possibly several) index records of the row inserted or deleted. “ | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | ok | 16:27 |
| armax | boris-42: my understanding is that rally doesn’t exactly execute the same tempest suite of the other tempest jobs, does it? | 16:28 |
| boris-42 | armax: exactly, it has own framework for testing openstack | 16:28 |
| boris-42 | armax: it may execute tempest as well... but it's another story.. | 16:28 |
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| armax | boris-42: surely we could fix the issues by looking at rally, but that is not going to guarantee that the same failure modes disappear in the tempest suite | 16:29 |
| armax | boris-42: so, sure, we can look at both rally and the tempest unstable job…I don’t think there’s mutual exclusivity here | 16:30 |
| sdague | right, it's all data to be gathered to help figure out issues | 16:30 |
| armax | boris-42: the rally job may unveil failure modes that the tempest suite doesn’t and viceversa | 16:30 |
| sdague | I expect, honestly, they are going to expose different facets of the issue | 16:30 |
| sdague | armax: exactly | 16:30 |
| armax | sdague: so two pronged approach is my recommendation | 16:31 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Neutron is adding locks where it needn't/shouldn't? | 16:31 |
| boris-42 | sdague: armax so I don't get me wrong, I am OK with adding any kinds of testing tools in CI | 16:31 |
| boris-42 | more tests less bugs | 16:31 |
| boris-42 | so don't get me wrong* | 16:31 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: no, it looks like there are just a lot of inserts happening on the securitygroups table here and they are deadlocking | 16:31 |
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| boris-42 | but I mean current tempest & rally jobs are different | 16:31 |
| armax | sdague: see link above…I am bit puzzled as to whay Jenkins barfed at me…I suppose I must have created some sort of circular dependency | 16:31 |
| boris-42 | e.g. tempest is more about functional testing and rally is more about concurrecny | 16:32 |
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| * armax looks | 16:32 | |
| zzzeek | HenryG: the deadlock per that InnoDB doc woudl suggest theres a record in an index that applies to multipel rows so is locked against inserts | 16:32 |
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| armax | boris-42: I think we’re in agreement…it’s not one or the other | 16:32 |
| armax | boris-42: it’s both | 16:32 |
| armax | boris-42: so let’s nip this in the bud, if you need changes to the rally job configuration to enable the unstable feature…please have it it | 16:32 |
| boris-42 | sdague: btw what do you think about adding to devstack non voting rally job ? | 16:32 |
| zzzeek | HenryG id be curious to know how many greenlets are in effect when we look in these stack traces | 16:33 |
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| sdague | armax: I'll look in a few | 16:33 |
| armax | sdague: thanks | 16:33 |
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| pc_m | Can a core +2/+A this backport to Kilo? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187542/ | 16:34 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: I wonder if that info might be in some secondary logs. I've not looked for that before. | 16:34 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: if it *is* that simple, perhaps a simple fix woudl be to apply a mutex to the method here that wants to create new security groups, but then i dont know if this is a more widespread issue | 16:34 |
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| boris-42 | armax: hm so not sure that we need unstable rally job... | 16:34 |
| boris-42 | armax: we can just pick here any numbers https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/rally-jobs/neutron-neutron.yaml | 16:35 |
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| boris-42 | armax: and the job is non voting | 16:35 |
| boris-42 | armax: so it won't block anybody... | 16:35 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: longer term, if there’s a way neutron’s APi could run in a threadpool, would likely make this kind of thing go away in most cases | 16:35 |
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| armax | boris-42: all I am saying is that we’re putting neutron back to sanity | 16:35 |
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| armax | boris-42: this might have an effect to how rally is configured, but I am not sure | 16:35 |
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| armax | boris-42: prolly you’re good | 16:36 |
| boris-42 | armax: I mean if you would like to test under higher concurrecny you don't need to touch infra (in case of rally) | 16:36 |
| armax | boris-42: ok, so we’re good | 16:37 |
| boris-42 | armax: so if you would like to test something specific in gates please ping me I will help | 16:38 |
| armax | boris-42: will do | 16:38 |
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| amotoki | stable cores, neutronclient stable/kilo gate fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190970/ | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Introduce connection testers module https://review.openstack.org/191147 | 16:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron: Add test cases to testing firewall drivers https://review.openstack.org/191148 | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Revert "Set default of api_workers to number of CPUs"" https://review.openstack.org/191127 | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Ping | 16:47 |
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| mestery | armax: thanks for that | 16:48 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: hi there | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: I have a bug in Juno which needs to get fixed - can you please take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190856/ | 16:49 |
| mestery | amotoki: thanks for that! | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: I chatted to ihar about it the other day as well | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | s/to/with | 16:50 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: good, I would like Ihar to review as well, also perhaps amotoki | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: glad you are here - | 16:50 |
| amotoki | mestery: i am not a member of stable-maint team. | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: can you please have a quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190856/ | 16:51 |
| mestery | amotoki: woops! :) | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki, mestery: basically we are taking something which was fixed into stack forge/networking-arista to juno | 16:51 |
| mestery | amotoki: I feel as if I should add you to stable-maint | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: that is a good feeling :-):-) | 16:52 |
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| pc_m | mestery: +1. Then amotoki can look at my backport too :) | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | pc_m: get in line sir - :-) | 16:53 |
| mestery | markmcclain: If you're around, can you eyeball this stable review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190856/ | 16:53 |
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| amotoki | I can help stable reviews. | 16:54 |
| markmcclain | mestery: good time.. I'm around ...looking | 16:54 |
| mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: if you have any question, I will be happy to answer | 16:54 |
| pc_m | Sukhdev: I did 20mins ago :) | 16:55 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev, mestery: +2/A | 16:56 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: cool - thanks a ton | 16:56 |
| markmcclain | happy to help out | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fix FloatingIP Namespace creation in DVR for Late Binding https://review.openstack.org/177507 | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Resize cisco_csr_identifier_map.ipsec_site_conn_id https://review.openstack.org/190569 | 17:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Bondar proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor update_port in db_base_plugin_v2 https://review.openstack.org/190195 | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | armax: okay revert helped a lot | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/neutron: Remove meaningless no_delete from L3 test https://review.openstack.org/191156 | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Add address scope to ports in RPC response to L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/189948 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: Add address scope to floating IPs in RPC response to L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/189500 | 17:30 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: hey Carl, notice my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189948/1/neutron/db/l3_db.py line 1145 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Decompose vendor plugins/drivers for neutron-*aas https://review.openstack.org/174619 | 17:33 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Still working on that one. I saw it. | 17:33 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: ack | 17:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I just added a note to make that clear. | 17:34 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Trying to get some devref going on too. | 17:34 |
| sdague | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191121/3 has a syntax error, it's missing a 'fi' at the end of the block. After that's fixed I'm +2 on it. | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Split neutron-lib out of neutron https://review.openstack.org/154736 | 17:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adolfo Duarte proposed openstack/neutron: L3 Agent support for routers with HA and DVR https://review.openstack.org/139686 | 17:46 |
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| dougwig | armax: are we leaving pymysql for trunk users? | 18:01 |
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| dougwig | i missed the discussions, so i'm not sure what the result was. | 18:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ankita Gupta proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: api description added https://review.openstack.org/191180 | 18:40 |
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| armax | sdague: back, sorry I had a meeting that overrun | 18:44 |
| armax | back on the patches | 18:44 |
| sdague | armax: no prob, the gate was backed up anyway, so it wasn't a big rush | 18:44 |
| armax | sdague: cool | 18:44 |
| armax | dougwig: yes, mysql-python will be the default for any Neutron job | 18:46 |
| armax | dougwig: or any job that relies on DEVSTACK_GATE_NEUTRON being set to 1 | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adolfo Duarte proposed openstack/neutron: HA for DVR - Neutron Server side code changes https://review.openstack.org/143169 | 18:48 |
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| leakypipes | ijw: have you proposed this yet to nova-specs? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-neutron-extensible-binding | 18:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Enable all deprecation warnings for test runs https://review.openstack.org/189623 | 19:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ankita Gupta proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: WIP - Python neutron client API operation Added description of how to use the various neutron client API operation from python code. Provided the description of the operation and the parameters used by each operation. https://review.openstack.org/191180 | 19:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ming Yang proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: This change allows the bash completion script to work with BSD sed https://review.openstack.org/186870 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add tunneling support to full stack tests https://review.openstack.org/190786 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add l2pop support to full stack tests https://review.openstack.org/190832 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Enable fullstack multinode tests, add L3 HA test to prove https://review.openstack.org/188221 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Add a fullstack fake VM, basic connectivity test https://review.openstack.org/191197 | 19:30 |
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| amuller | mestery: got a connectivity full stack multinode test up :) | 19:33 |
| mestery | amuller: that is AWESOME! | 19:33 |
| amuller | mestery: next up: DVR multinode support | 19:34 |
| amuller | Swami: ^ | 19:34 |
| mestery | nice | 19:34 |
| Swami | amuller:hi | 19:35 |
| amuller | and after that we'll be able to verify the DVR + L3 HA patches finally | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Ming Yang proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fixes indentation for bash completion script https://review.openstack.org/191198 | 19:35 |
| amuller | mestery: although I'm blocked by this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188350/ | 19:36 |
| amuller | it fixes the recentish l2pop regression | 19:36 |
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| Swami | amuller: the multinode support that you are taking about is different from the upstream gate test. | 19:37 |
| mestery | amuller: I think we can merge that one now | 19:37 |
| amuller | Swami: yes, it's using 'full stack' testing, and not devstack + Tempest | 19:37 |
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| Swami | amuller: got it. | 19:37 |
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| amuller | Swami: We don't need devstack and Tempest to verify stuff like multinode DVR, L3 HA, l2pop and their combinations | 19:39 |
| amuller | imo full stack testing is a lot better | 19:39 |
| amuller | for those cases | 19:39 |
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| Swami | amuller: ok, let me know if you need any help on the DVR side and I can provide. | 19:40 |
| amuller | Swami: I'm planning on doing the initial work myself, basically have the infrastructure support a single test for each of those cases above | 19:40 |
| amuller | Swami: then rely on others to write additional tests | 19:40 |
| Swami | amuller: makes sense. | 19:41 |
| amuller | Swami: So for example Mike is fixing L3 HA + l2pop, I'll get it working for him then he'll write the actual test. Same for L3 HA + DVR and Adolfo. | 19:41 |
| Swami | amuller: when you are ready let me know. | 19:41 |
| amuller | Swami: Will do | 19:41 |
| Swami | amuller: thanks | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Remove duplicate tunnel id check in sync_allocations https://review.openstack.org/191202 | 19:43 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: ping | 20:04 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: hello | 20:04 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: what does switching to a threadpool do to help with these db contention issues? | 20:05 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: was checking out the back-log and saw your suggestion to switch the neutron api server to a threadpool | 20:06 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: because eventlet allows for a huge amount of concurrency that also context switches in an akward way | 20:06 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: running 10 threads is easier than running 100 greenlets | 20:06 |
| salv-orlando | zzzeek: I guess you do not mean an eventlet pool by "threadpool" | 20:06 |
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| zzzeek | salv-orlando: I mean whatever it woudl have to be such that the database access code isn’t running in crazy greenlet mode :) Basically when I’ve looked at user issues for gevent/eventlet, the fact that they can easily crank up 100 greenlets brings out all kinds of wacky new issues that you normally never see | 20:07 |
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| zzzeek | salv-orlando: like a deadlock on an INSERT, that seems crazy | 20:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: i see, but i'm not sure i see how it would fix the issue of two concurrent security group inserts | 20:08 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: the concurrency would be less, that’s all | 20:08 |
| salv-orlando | zzzeek: right... that's going to be a problem with neutron. eventlet is everywhere. Starting with eventlet.wsgi | 20:08 |
| zzzeek | salv-orlando: well you’d keep eventlet at that level for sure | 20:08 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: but we only have 2 requests now ;) | 20:08 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: and youre getting a deadlock? OK then that’s some other problem | 20:08 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: oh, maybe 4 | 20:08 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: why noy 64 ;) | 20:09 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: depends on the concurrency of the creation | 20:09 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: if you can show me a script that runs 4 greenlets and shows it deadlocking on inserts, i’d love to see that | 20:09 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: right…threadpool that is fixed (even with greenlets, I guess) would be slower but cause things to move more serially, requests would wait until another thread/greenlet is available. | 20:09 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando, zzzeek: which neutron job was exploding, was it just rally? | 20:09 |
| kevinbenton | if so, then i probably need to put my foot in my mouth :) | 20:09 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: so we could just turn down the greenpool size to simulate that for now and see if the problem goes away, right? | 20:10 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: no, it was not just rally. More details on the bug report. But you can still put your foot in your mouth | 20:10 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: its somethign to try. but if theres only 4 as it is, then that’s not the issue | 20:10 |
| salv-orlando | after wearing boots without sockets for a whole day | 20:11 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: i dont know hte greenlet model here, it is “spawn greenlet for all requests unconditionally”? or is it “run N greenlets fixed that accommmodate that many requsets, the rest of the requests queue up | 20:11 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: but whats also weird is, SQLAlchemy’s connection pool under deafult mode only dishes out 15 connections and subseuqent requests have to wait | 20:11 |
| kevinbenton | it seems like even if we turn the pool down, we are probably just sweeping problems under the rug we would have to deal with in large deployments anyway | 20:12 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: so I guess I dont really know whats going on in that log | 20:12 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando, zzzeek: i'll check it out more this afternoon. i should have done my homework more before jumping into the conversation | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: sure, deadlocks on inserts is a weird thing. but you also need to tune the application to match what the server hardware is configured for, if that CI job runs on a small VM or something | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: the point is that with MySQL-Pythons much mroe limited ability to run concurrently, you had no issues | 20:13 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, it was a free locking mechanism | 20:14 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 20:14 |
| kevinbenton | i heard people spend lots of time implementing those | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: and Mysql-python’s concurrency is only blocked at hte level of cursor.execute(). So with pymysql here it suggests interleaving of cursor.execute() methods might be related | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: monkeypatching a mutex around pymysql’s cursor.execute() might be a fun experiment but only if this error is something you’ve really mastered at reproducing | 20:15 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: this shouldn't be too difficult to reproduce if i understand it correctly | 20:15 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: ok | 20:15 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: are you subscribed to the bug report? | 20:15 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: no can you link me | 20:15 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: i'll continue upating there | 20:15 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: do you have a link to that bug report? | 20:16 |
| salv-orlando | yeah... It's one my 96 open tabs | 20:16 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: you're a lucky guy. found it at the 2nd attempt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464612 | 20:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464612 in neutron "Neutron server races when using the pymysql driver" [Critical,Confirmed] | 20:17 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: ^^ | 20:18 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: got it | 20:18 |
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| dane_leblanc | mestery: ping | 20:26 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: howdy | 20:26 |
| dane_leblanc | mestery: Howdy! I heard that you had a conversation at the summit with the magnum folks re. flannel? | 20:26 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: indeed we did! | 20:27 |
| mestery | The end result was that we were goign to wait a bit until things settle out | 20:27 |
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| mestery | In other words, not tie magnum to anythning specific at this point | 20:27 |
| dane_leblanc | mestery: So no direction on tighter integration between flannel and Neutron? | 20:27 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: yes, we'll revisit in tokyo was the end result | 20:28 |
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| dane_leblanc | mestery: Awesome. Flannel is still a bit new I suppose. | 20:29 |
| mestery | exactly! | 20:29 |
| mestery | and libnetwork from docker | 20:29 |
| mestery | and weave | 20:29 |
| mestery | and whatever else is new today | 20:29 |
| dane_leblanc | Got it. Thanks for the update! | 20:29 |
| mestery | np | 20:29 |
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| ijw | Firstly it's not getting any comments where it is; secondly, it has something to add over the current scripty thing, even if it's not actually the right idea either | 20:33 |
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| leakypipes | ijw: danke. | 20:59 |
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| ijw | And while you're at it, go bless the rather more straightforward one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190917/ | 20:59 |
| ijw | That one is a no brainer. It's needed, not scary, and backward compatible, and I've been waiting it for literally years | 21:00 |
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| spandhe | Hi.. I am trying to get community’s opinion on multiple gateway support in neutron subnet | 21:22 |
| spandhe | I have opened a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464361 and also started a conversation on mailing list | 21:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464361 in neutron "Support for multiple gateways in Neutron subnets in provider networks" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 21:22 |
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| spandhe | any thoughts on this? Is there anybody else who configures multiple gateways in their network? | 21:23 |
| spandhe | I am looking for more usecases.. so that we can cover all of them, if we decide to do this.. | 21:23 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: ping | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: ping | 22:00 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: hey.. saw your reply to my email | 22:01 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: pong, but i'm offline soon, but will see what i can do | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: yeah, did you want to discuss it here a bit? | 22:01 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: yeah sure.. | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: we use a semaphore for ipset access | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: that's just to make sure we don't modify the same set simultaneously, right? | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: i.e. could we make the lock specific to the ipset being modified? | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: so if we pass out multiple gateways, how do we get VMs to use them? | 22:02 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: i had been thinking the same thing, i've had someone working on some ipset things recently and that was on my list. kind of what we did for iptables | 22:03 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: in which situation, dhcp or config drive? | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: both | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: wait, what did we do for iptables? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: isn't that still a global lock? | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: or are you referring to the deferred_apply thing? | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: start with dhcp i suppose because that restricts us more | 22:04 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: for iptables we added the namespace to the lock to reduce conflicts | 22:04 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: for dhcp, the idea is, the driver will rotate through the list of gateways, and then put the one that it selected, in the opts file | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: oh, for l3 agent | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: right? | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: oh, so trying to load balance via dhcp? | 22:05 |
| haleyb | yes, for l3 agent, i was just thinking of the same thing for ipset lock - add $ID to lock name | 22:05 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: yeah.. e.g. if there are two gateways, lets say all odd IPs get gateway1 and all even IPs get gateway2 | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: +1 | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: however, do we actually try to do any ipset work in parallel at this point? :) | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: i see | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: so what was the plan for config drive? | 22:06 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: i actually have to go, but will get back to things this weekend... and no, we don't it's just something in the back of my mind, but there are other ipset things that i think need to be done first | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: ack | 22:07 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: the logic can be same, I need to figure out where to put that code.. | 22:07 |
| haleyb | for example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464727 | 22:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464727 in neutron "duplicated debug logging in ipset_manager and iptables_manager" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rawlin Peters (rawlin-peters) | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464727 | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: :) | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: that's the one that made me think about this | 22:07 |
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| haleyb | yes, i had rawlin file it based on some things i saw testing your iptables_manager perf fix - still have *tons* of debug from ipsets in that case | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: ok, cool | 22:09 |
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| haleyb | you probably can't resist looking into it :) | 22:09 |
| ijw | kevinbenton: you're totally wrong | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: something to consider in that fix is that maybe we don't need a separate semaphore for ipset ... | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: like we could move the lock somehwere higher and have a generic "doing iptables work" lock | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: so one lock acquisition and release for the entire refresh | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: about which what? | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:10 |
| ijw | kevinbenton: it's just a general statement. I felt safe saying it | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: i understand now what you're doing, but i don't think it's solving things at the right level. L3 HA and performance should be handled by L3 | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: because doing this with DHCP makes performance too unpredictable and it's long-lasting | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: it also doesn't handle when one of the gateways fails | 22:12 |
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| ijw | kevinbenton: I pictured spandhe's proposal as being largely applicable to provider networks where the router's off-cloud | 22:12 |
| ijw | But if you're telling him to buy more and larger routers, I have no problem with that ;) | 22:13 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: what do you mean by L3 HA? ijw, yes.. simple provider network scenario where the gateway is configured on a souter somewhere on the datacenter | 22:13 |
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| ijw | </cisco> | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ok i see the use case in provider networks | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: i mean if one of the gateways fails | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: half of your tenants lose connectivity | 22:14 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: do we support that right now in L3 agent? | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: well with DVR if you have floating IPs a failure will be local to a compute node | 22:14 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: right.. makes sense.. | 22:15 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: ijw this can be a configurable feature.. can turn it off/on | 22:15 |
| ijw | Well, in practice it wouldn't be on unless you specified more than one gateway somehow anyway | 22:15 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: definitely. but it's going to be a schema change as well | 22:16 |
| ijw | spandhe: do you happen to know if dnsmasq even supports it? Or did you have another DHCP agent in mind, in which case how would you do a reference implementation? | 22:16 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: yeah.. and every place where gateway_ip is validated, needs to be updated | 22:16 |
| spandhe | ijw: I am working on isc-dhcpd driver, but dnsmasq can also support it | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: dnsmasq probably wouldn't need to know if you just create a lease with diff gateway info per port | 22:17 |
| ijw | kevinbenton: I guess you would want to do that anyway | 22:17 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: ijw for dnssmasq, we can rotate through gateways here: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/2014.2.1/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py#L596 | 22:17 |
| ijw | dnsmasq can't make the choice unless you're happy for weirdness when it restarts and forgets its non-static state | 22:17 |
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| ijw | There is pretty much an implication here that you're adding a gateway to the port to do this, and I wonder what happens for extra_route information | 22:18 |
| spandhe | ijw: adding gateway to a port? do you mean adding gateway field to the port itself? or you mean a port (host) in Dnsmasq? | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: well it gets a little trickier than just changing that line because the gateway is a subnet-wide thing right now | 22:19 |
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| ijw | Well, you've just said that VMs don't all have consistently the same gateway, so each port no longer uses the one gateway listed for the subnet. That implies that you have a gateway for that port that is specific to that port, and that's a choice you need to save if you're going to reliably issue it via dnsmasq or if a machine doesn't use DHCP to get its router | 22:20 |
| spandhe | ijw: hmm.. I see your point | 22:21 |
| ijw | And extra_routes could presumably work the same way, but there we're drifting into territory that likely no-one cares much about | 22:21 |
| spandhe | ijw: do you mean host_routes? | 22:22 |
| ijw | spandhe: anyway, my take is that you could do it and you would be the only person that wanted it right now, it's not a feature I've heard any significant demand for. Seems to me like it increases complexity quite a bit if you do it right, and you'd be happy with a quick solution, so I wonder if you'd be better off carrying your own patch for it | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: well spandhe was implying that the chosen gateway ip would be deterministic based on the IP of the port | 22:23 |
| ijw | kevinbenton: yeah, and I'm sure that works the moment I add a third gateway to a network that's been running fine with two... | 22:23 |
| ijw | I'm good on corner cases. Sorry. ;) | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: that's changing the subnet gateway, which will document as disruptive :) | 22:24 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: ijw is there a problem with adding gateway to port? | 22:24 |
| spandhe | to make it more deterministic? | 22:24 |
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| kevinbenton | in the neutron db? | 22:24 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: yes? just wondering.. if that way, you look at the port and know which gateway is assigned for this | 22:25 |
| spandhe | otherwise there would be no way to find out | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: right, that's just more schema change though | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: you will need a pretty strong use-case at this point to get something like that through | 22:26 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: I agree.. dont want to do that change, but wondering if it makes more sense | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: yeah, if we want different ports to have static different gateways, it should be reflected in the API | 22:27 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: so do you think changing subnet schema will be ok with community? | 22:27 |
| amuller | spandhe: were you planning on using GLBP / VRRP / whatever on your physical gateways, every gateway_ip in the subnet a VIP you float between the routers? | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: maybe if you clearly spell out how multiple gateways are supposed to be handled | 22:28 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: ok.. | 22:29 |
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| spandhe | amuller: wont that VIP (or whatever process that load-balances) will get all the traffic anyway? | 22:30 |
| amuller | spandhe: say your subnet now has two gateway_ips | 22:30 |
| amuller | each one is a VIP | 22:30 |
| amuller | first gateway is primary for the first VIP, second gateway is backup | 22:30 |
| amuller | and reverse for the second VIP | 22:31 |
| spandhe | amuller: let me think about it | 22:31 |
| spandhe | amuller: each VIP will have a different IP, right? | 22:33 |
| amuller | yes | 22:33 |
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| amuller | spandhe: you can do it with VRRP groups | 22:34 |
| spandhe | I am not able to understand.. how will the traffic be split between these VIPs? once they get to the VIP, they can dsitribute.. | 22:34 |
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| spandhe | amuller: let me read about VRRP | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: does that alternate ARP responses or something? | 22:35 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: You have routers A and B. You configure two VRRP groups, each with a different VIP: 10.0.0.253/4. You configure A to master 253, and B to master 254 | 22:36 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: then half your VMs get 253 as the gateway_ip, half get 254 | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: oh, yeah, that's fine | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: i was thinking you were suggesting there was a way to do it without different gateway IPs | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: i don't think VRRP should impact spandhe's proposal in this case | 22:37 |
| amuller | As ijw said you do need to make sure that if you add or remove gateways (I guess this would be more feasible with virtual routers) and gateway_ips on a subnet, VMs still get their original gateway_ip before the change | 22:37 |
| amuller | so a simple mod is not good enough | 22:38 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: it doesn't at all | 22:38 |
| ijw | VRRP would be for the individual gateway IPs and doesn't really come into it | 22:38 |
| amuller | exactly | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | well it depends on what we consider good enough | 22:38 |
| spandhe | amuller: I dont know much about VRRP.. ill need to read up a bit | 22:38 |
| amuller | it's something you can tack on, it doesn't impact the design of multple gateway IPs in any way | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | if the use case is that all routers provide connectivity to the same things | 22:39 |
| spandhe | amuller: ok.. | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | a gateway ip change on dhcp renewal wouldn't be the end of the world | 22:39 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: yes.. dhcp scenario is straight forward.. | 22:40 |
| ijw | amuller: your VIP solution is weird, btw. You can't use VIPs for loadbalancing routing and if you use VIPs that you exchange between two routers you've just successfully negates all the HA prospects of VRRP... | 22:40 |
| amuller | ijw: I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding me somehow | 22:41 |
| amuller | how does this negate HA? | 22:41 |
| amuller | it's a really common solution | 22:41 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: for config drive scenario, I dont see how we can update the network config if one of the gateways is removed | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: both IPs are virtual IPs hosted by both routers | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: each one is active for one at a time during normal operation | 22:42 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: right, well we have that problem now for any subnet changes | 22:42 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: right.. ok.. | 22:42 |
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| spandhe | so what do you guys suggest, should I start working on a spec? | 22:43 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: just do an RFE | 22:43 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: the idea is straight-forward enough that an RFE is a good place to get a feel for the community interest | 22:44 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: not sure what RFE means :) | 22:45 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: oh, just file it as a bug and add the RFE tag | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: 'request for enhancement' | 22:46 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: thanks :) | 22:46 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: had a bug already.. added a tag as well.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464361 | 22:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464361 in neutron "Support for multiple gateways in Neutron subnets in provider networks" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: so you don't discuss any super specific implementation details, just a high-level request of how it should behave | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: ok, now with that tag i think the PTL will see it and bring it up with the drivers team | 22:47 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: ok great.. | 22:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Delete FIP agent gateway port with external-net-delete https://review.openstack.org/159332 | 22:50 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: does the description look good? | 22:50 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: i would drop "in provider networks" from the title | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: because it would work in any network | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: its fine to mention that that's the main use case in the description though | 22:51 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: right.. ok.. makes sense.. removed from the title.. | 22:52 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton, ijw, amuller thanks a lot! | 22:53 |
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| kevinbenton | spandhe: yep, rest of the bug sounds great. short and to the point describing the issue | 22:53 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: cool :) | 22:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Use PyMySQL in MySQL related functional/fullstack tests https://review.openstack.org/190342 | 22:53 |
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| spandhe | kevinbenton: also, I want to start off the discussion about dhcpd driver also.. I had talked about that during the summit.. | 22:54 |
| amuller | ZZelle: Let's sync early next week about that patch and the SafeFixture one | 22:55 |
| spandhe | where do you think the driver will sit? I know about the effort on separating out drivers into a separate repo | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: thats a good question | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: i think i would bring that one to the email list | 22:56 |
| ZZelle_ | amuller, i am available after 6 PM UTC | 22:56 |
| spandhe | kevinbenton: sounds good! thanks! | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | spandhe: no prob | 22:56 |
| amuller | ZZelle_: Sounds good | 22:56 |
| amuller | I'm out, toodles | 22:58 |
| ZZelle_ | ZZelle_, bye | 22:59 |
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