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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/179637 | 06:08 |
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| kongfy | Hi, can anybody help me out? I have trouble deploying a development environment with neutron using devstack. | 06:53 |
| kongfy | I followed the doc here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html | 06:54 |
| kongfy | but it doesn’t work :( | 06:54 |
| kongfy | I got an error message Failure retrieving ROUTER_GW_IP | 06:54 |
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| * kongfy Does neutron support all in one deployment? | 08:17 | |
| kongfy | Does neutron support all in one deployment? | 08:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kobi Samoray proposed openstack/neutron: VMWare NSXv: Metadata for distributed router https://review.openstack.org/179754 | 10:52 |
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| pc_m | Hi, I'm seeing an odd failure in python27 gate test. Anyone able to advise? | 11:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: OVS agent react to events instead of polling https://review.openstack.org/164880 | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: Add get_events to OVSDB monitor https://review.openstack.org/161806 | 12:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: Adds base in-tree functional testing of the ovs_neutron_agent https://review.openstack.org/140042 | 12:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 12:41 |
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| ajo | kevinbenton, ping, since you were involved in QoS, it would be great if you could have a read on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/ and tell me if you believe we're making sense | 13:33 |
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| anilvenkata | dougwig: Hi Doug Wiegley, can you kindly review my vpnaas patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174299/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175796/ | 13:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cyril Roelandt proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add a "Porting to Python 3" spec https://review.openstack.org/172962 | 14:07 |
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| anteaya | I was curious what QoS stands for so I went looking and found this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/8/specs/liberty/qos-api-extension.rst | 14:44 |
| anteaya | after looking it over I still don't have a clear idea what it means | 14:44 |
| anteaya | just thought I would share | 14:44 |
| jschwarz_ | ajo, ^ | 14:45 |
| ajo | hi anteaya | 14:46 |
| ajo | thanks jschwarz_ | 14:46 |
| ajo | anteaya, thanks for looking at it, | 14:46 |
| jschwarz_ | :) | 14:46 |
| ajo | it's a mean to limit or prioritize traffic on neutron ports, | 14:46 |
| ajo | anteaya, for example, if you had some traffic that you consider low priority from an instance, you could lower it's bandwidth | 14:47 |
| ajo | anteaya, or... in the future, you could mark packets from a certain VM with DSCP fields , VLAN qos, or IPV6 fields, to make them a priority in your network L2 | 14:48 |
| ajo | or L3 for IPv6/IPv4 | 14:48 |
| anteaya | okay let's say I'm bad at acronyms | 14:48 |
| anteaya | which I am | 14:48 |
| HenryG | anteaya: Quality of Service | 14:49 |
| anteaya | you want to prioritize traffic on neutron ports | 14:49 |
| anteaya | HenryG: thanks, yes that much I got, but I don't know what it means | 14:49 |
| ajo | anteaya, tha'ts telling me I need an ancronym list, sorry :/ | 14:49 |
| anteaya | ajo: or just not use them and say what things are | 14:49 |
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| anteaya | ajo: so you are creating an api extenstion to prioritize traffic on neutron ports? | 14:50 |
| ajo | anteaya, yes, that's generally talked in the network language as QoS (quality of service) | 14:50 |
| ajo | may be I should explain it in the operators email.. | 14:50 |
| ajo | anteaya, more than prioritizing... | 14:50 |
| amuller | anteaya: QoS is a pretty well known acronym in the networking world. All specs and documentation assume a level of familarity with the subject matter. I don't know if anything needs to be done in this instance? | 14:51 |
| ajo | you could do a variety of things (related to prioritizing) as we extend it | 14:51 |
| anteaya | amuller: well you can just ignore me then | 14:51 |
| anteaya | that should work | 14:51 |
| ajo | anteaya, for example: give ports a max & minimum port bandwith | 14:51 |
| ajo | so neutron / the backend implementation may take care that the minimum output bandwidth is available to the port always.. | 14:52 |
| anteaya | ajo: okay I'm looking at the spec and not finding that explanation in it | 14:52 |
| ajo | anteaya, any input is valuable, even "I don't know what you're talking about, please: elaborate" | 14:52 |
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| anteaya | part of my difficulty is that every project uses language that is inaccessible for other people | 14:53 |
| ajo | anteaya, that makes total sense | 14:53 |
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| anteaya | so when trying to acertain what a functionality does is impossible | 14:53 |
| ajo | I will add an introduction to the QoS spec | 14:53 |
| anteaya | without siloing into the project | 14:53 |
| anteaya | so most people don't bother | 14:53 |
| amuller | anteaya: that's a huge problem, I don't know if specs is where we should address it? | 14:54 |
| anteaya | ajo: thanks for undertanding my perspective | 14:54 |
| anteaya | amuller: I don't know either | 14:54 |
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| ajo | amuller, anteaya , a brief introduction (3-4 lines) doesn't hurt anybody. | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed openstack/neutron: Add callback prior to deleting a subnet https://review.openstack.org/174268 | 14:54 |
| anteaya | ajo: I look forward to reading your introduction | 14:54 |
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| ajo | anteaya, thanks for the feedback | 14:54 |
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| anteaya | ajo: you're welcome, thanks for being receptive | 14:54 |
| amuller | anteaya: I mean yeah every project needs a lot of knowledge to get in to it and understand its different portions. I'd have no hope in getting in to Cinder for example and I'm sure that Neutron can be very daunting as well. | 14:55 |
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| amuller | anteaya: I think the question here is, who is the target audience for specs? | 14:55 |
| anteaya | right | 14:55 |
| amuller | anteaya: If it's other developers (Just for the review process), it's simpler | 14:55 |
| anteaya | amuller: well I consider anything on gerrit to be within my ability to comment | 14:55 |
| amuller | anteaya: If it's operators or technical writers, it's a more difficult question | 14:55 |
| anteaya | and anyone is welcome to listen or dismiss as they see fit | 14:56 |
| ajo | amuller, in this case, we're defining API, so users matter :) | 14:56 |
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| anteaya | amuller: excluding people is always simpler | 14:56 |
| amuller | anteaya: I'm not trying to be offensive or dense, I apologize if it's how I come off | 14:56 |
| ajo | anteaya, amuller, may be if we're defining how are we going to build the low level architecture, or the messaging, or the plugin part of it... users don't need to deal with it. But API is their business ;) | 14:56 |
| anteaya | amuller: not to worry, you are expressing a standard pattern | 14:57 |
| anteaya | which is, it isn't meant for you anyway | 14:57 |
| anteaya | which is fine | 14:57 |
| anteaya | but it leads to a huge decrease in cross project interaction | 14:57 |
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| amuller | ajo: anteaya: If you've got the same document explaining both the high level API and low level implementation details, that's a tell that the document is not intended to be read by operators | 14:57 |
| anteaya | here is where I am coming from | 14:58 |
| anteaya | I looked at teh sprint page | 14:58 |
| anteaya | there is a QoS sprint | 14:58 |
| amuller | But it's a great source of information for technical writers that end up writing docs.openstack.org and downstream docs | 14:58 |
| anteaya | no idea what that means | 14:58 |
| ajo | anteaya, :-) | 14:58 |
| anteaya | go to the link go to the link go to the link and to the spec | 14:58 |
| anteaya | still no idea what QoS is | 14:58 |
| anteaya | share my experience | 14:58 |
| anteaya | that's it | 14:58 |
| ajo | anteaya, QoS, for example, is used to prioritize VoIP traffic over HTTP | 15:00 |
| ajo | another acronym.. sorry :) | 15:00 |
| ajo | VoIP = Voice over IP, | 15:00 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron: Add IP version support to all ip_lib code https://review.openstack.org/173563 | 15:00 |
| anteaya | prioritizing traffic I understand | 15:00 |
| amuller | I'm trying to say that when you write a document, presentation, slides, spec, whatever, the intended audience matters a lot. I'm arguing that specs are not meant to be consumed by operators, only other developers. This is problematic since operators can't really contribute during the spec process! This is being addressed by the concept of seperation between RFEs and specs, which is something I suggested on openstack-dev a few weeks ago | 15:01 |
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| ajo | if you have http, ftp, or other sorts of traffic competing for the same bandwidth, you want VoIP to go always faster to not add latency | 15:01 |
| amuller | RFEs are documents created by, and for, operators | 15:01 |
| amuller | so you discuss the API | 15:01 |
| amuller | not how you end up implementing crap | 15:01 |
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| amuller | specs are meant to be reviewed by other developers | 15:02 |
| amuller | so I think it's fair to assume a level of knowledge | 15:02 |
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| amuller | anteaya: What do you think about RFEs via launchpad btw? Currently you can request new features only via specs, but why would a user care how a feature is implemented, or tested, or its impact on IPv6. I think that assuming it ends up successful it could be a step in improving the communication between operators and developers (Which I think we still have a huge ways to go) | 15:04 |
| ajo | anteaya, amuller is talking about: Adopt new spec process for Liberty | 15:05 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/177342 | 15:05 |
| ajo | sorry | 15:05 |
| amuller | ajo: thanks :) | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I think my point is | 15:06 |
| anteaya | that if you use an acronym in a sprint title | 15:06 |
| anteaya | people might try to figure out what the acronym means | 15:06 |
| anteaya | so if you don't want them to find your spec | 15:06 |
| anteaya | offer a definition earlier in the chain | 15:07 |
| anteaya | than the spec | 15:07 |
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| amuller | anteaya: fair point, I mean the spec is the earliest form of documentation until the feature is merged, and even then user facing documentation tends to pop up at least in a 1 cycle lag | 15:07 |
| amuller | I think that RFEs on launchpad will help here | 15:08 |
| anteaya | your communication decisions affect who can access and use the information | 15:08 |
| ajo | yes, that 1-cycle lag is what I'm trying to save via asking by early feedback from operators (salvorlando pointed out about it) | 15:08 |
| ajo | asking by -> asking for, sorry | 15:08 |
| amuller | anteaya: What's still really bothering me is how can developers gather information from operators in a manner that's preferably empiric, and online | 15:09 |
| amuller | anteaya: A lot of developers are given a non-trivial portion of time to work on what is deemed community issues | 15:10 |
| amuller | and honestly, I think that a lot of us have no idea what's important and what's easy | 15:10 |
| amuller | so we end up refactoring more code somewhere | 15:10 |
| amuller | because we know how to do that | 15:10 |
| anteaya | amuller: I agree with you, it is important to be able to communicate with operators | 15:10 |
| amuller | but I can't say what are the burning holes in Neutron right now? | 15:10 |
| anteaya | and currently we do not have a system that works well for either developers or operators | 15:11 |
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| amuller | anteaya: I suggested that RFEs could be 'voted' on, by saying 'this affects me too', and if we end up using launchpad for those there's already functionality for that | 15:13 |
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| amuller | anteaya: so I can try to get a sense of how important some requested feature is | 15:13 |
| anteaya | the problem with any group and any specific behaviour is that there is a learning curve | 15:13 |
| anteaya | so it is less what will work and more I'm going to devote my time to x to make sure it works | 15:14 |
| anteaya | and the more framented the cross project experience is for operators | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | the more exhausting it is for any one project to get operators to adopt a workflow that works for them | 15:15 |
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| pc_m | armax: mestery: Can you guys review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176064/? This is needed for a VPN commit that I have out for review and will remove duplication. | 15:19 |
| amuller | anteaya: I agree, it's a difficult problem to tackle :) | 15:21 |
| jschwarz_ | armax, re: that cryptic CallbackError, I've added an exact printout here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174268/3/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 15:21 |
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| jschwarz_ | CallbackFailure* | 15:21 |
| amuller | anteaya: I try to do my part by adding relevant reviwers to specs that have anything to do with other projects | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | amuller: thank you, is that effective? | 15:23 |
| amuller | anteaya: I don't know what else I could do | 15:23 |
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| amuller | anteaya: it's something =/ | 15:23 |
| anteaya | it is something | 15:24 |
| anteaya | does it get any responses? | 15:24 |
| amuller | normally it does yes | 15:24 |
| anteaya | well that is good then | 15:24 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 15:24 |
| amuller | people like voicing their opinions on matters they know a lot about :) | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | handy | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: remove metadata_proxy_local filters for rootwrap https://review.openstack.org/171354 | 15:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Neutron QoS API Extension https://review.openstack.org/88599 | 15:52 |
| ajo | anteaya ^ let me know if that works +/- or if you believe it could be improved | 15:52 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: Hi Paul Michali, whom can I ask to review my vpnaas patchesfor Libreswan and IPV6? | 15:52 |
| anteaya | ajo: thank you | 15:52 |
| ajo | anteaya, line 17 | 15:52 |
| ajo | anteaya, another use case of this could be a cloud service provider willing to offer different service levels based on your port bandwidth | 15:53 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: I have tested ipv6 with strongswan also, only this change is required https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175796/2/neutron_vpnaas/services/vpn/device_drivers/ipsec.py | 15:53 |
| ajo | for example, 10Mbps ports, 100Mbps ports, GbE ports... | 15:53 |
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| pc_m | anilvenkata: Anyone from the driver's team. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron-drivers. I *think* carl_baldwin may still be able to review VPN changes. | 15:54 |
| anteaya | ajo: yes, thank you | 15:54 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: no changes required in ipse.conf templates for strongswan with ipv6 | 15:54 |
| anteaya | I a least understand what the acronym means now | 15:54 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: thanks Paul Michali, I will ask him | 15:54 |
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| pc_m | anilvenkata: Thanks for working on those. | 15:55 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: you are welcome :) | 15:55 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: BTW, I plan on setting up a meeting for VPN team tomorrow, just to sync up with everyone. | 15:55 |
| anilvenkata | pc_m: at what time? | 15:55 |
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| pc_m | anilvenkata: They are at 1600 UTC | 15:56 |
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| pc_m | anilvenkata: Noon time on US East Coast | 15:58 |
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| anilvenkata | pc_m: thanks Paul Michali, 9:30pm for us in India, I will try to attend | 15:58 |
| pc_m | anilvenkata: great! | 15:59 |
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| anilvenkata | carl_baldwin: Hi Carl, can you kindly review my vpnaas patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174299/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175796/ if you get free time? | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | anilvenkata: I will try to get to them soon. | 16:03 |
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| anilvenkata | carl_baldwin: thanks Carl | 16:05 |
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| dougwig | I can look after I land, too | 16:06 |
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| anilvenkata | dougwig: thanks Doug Wiegley | 16:07 |
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| pc_m | Can I get core reviewers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176064/? This removes duplication for *aaS repos for functional jobs. | 16:09 |
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| amuller | achanda: Hello there | 19:21 |
| amuller | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179847/ | 19:21 |
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| amuller | or rather, about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1450882 | 19:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1450882 in neutron "Cannot expose VIP for neutron L3 HA" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Abhishek Chanda (abhishek-i) | 19:21 |
| achanda | amuller: hey | 19:21 |
| achanda | yes | 19:21 |
| amuller | achanda: for the life of me I can't understand the use case | 19:21 |
| amuller | achanda: Could you please explain what you are trying to achieve? | 19:22 |
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| achanda | sure, the VIP is a link local IP, we were trying to route to the VIP from another machine | 19:22 |
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| achanda | and that did not work because it's link local | 19:22 |
| amuller | achanda: can I ask why you need access to that VIP? Why not access the qr or qg devices? | 19:23 |
| achanda | how do I access those from another physical box? | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Add IP version support to all ip_lib code https://review.openstack.org/173563 | 19:25 |
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| achanda | I have a private cloud, so there is no public floating IP | 19:25 |
| amuller | achanda: you mean reach the QR devices not from VMs? | 19:26 |
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| achanda | not from the VM, from another physical machine | 19:26 |
| amuller | ok | 19:26 |
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| achanda | so with one L3 node, non-HA, I can add a route to a box, pointing to that node and use that box to test floating IPs | 19:26 |
| achanda | reach VMs from the box and back | 19:27 |
| achanda | but with HA, I cannot do that because the VIP is link local | 19:27 |
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| amuller | achanda: I must be exceptionally tired because I still don't understand. Let's talk about the non-HA case | 19:27 |
| amuller | you're trying to reach VMs or the router? | 19:28 |
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| achanda | VMs through the router | 19:29 |
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| amuller | achanda: can you connect the non-HA router to an external network and to a subnet you can route to from your hosts? | 19:30 |
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| achanda | I've been doing that by adding a static route to another host | 19:31 |
| achanda | * from another host | 19:31 |
| achanda | to the host which is running L3 router | 19:32 |
| amuller | achanda: to what subnet? | 19:32 |
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| achanda | amuller: to the floating IP subnet | 19:35 |
| achanda | via the host running l3 router | 19:35 |
| achanda | ip r add floating_ip_subnet via ip_of_host_running_router basically | 19:36 |
| amuller | achanda: ok, got it | 19:36 |
| amuller | achanda: so why wouldn't this work with HA routers? | 19:36 |
| achanda | because for HA routers, there are two physical hosts | 19:37 |
| achanda | I was expecting to add the route to the VIP | 19:37 |
| achanda | but I can't do that since the VIP is link local | 19:37 |
| amuller | let me think about this | 19:37 |
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| achanda | I can still make the failover work by deleting the route manually | 19:37 |
| achanda | but that defeats the purpose of the VIP | 19:38 |
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| amuller | achanda: why don't you define the VIP on the qg device of the next hop? That should work with HA routers as well | 19:40 |
| amuller | achanda: since keepalived takes care to GARP that VIP when it fails over | 19:40 |
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| amuller | achanda: sorry I mean | 19:41 |
| achanda | amuller: next hop from the L3 router is not in the cloud, how does it have a qg device? | 19:41 |
| achanda | or did I miss something? | 19:41 |
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| amuller | achanda: the qg device of the router will be allocated an IP address from the floating IP subnet | 19:42 |
| achanda | yes | 19:42 |
| amuller | achanda: and the qg device is bridged directly | 19:42 |
| amuller | so you should be able to route to it | 19:42 |
| achanda | okay | 19:43 |
| amuller | achanda: does that make sense? | 19:43 |
| achanda | the qg device of which host? say I have host1 and host2 running L3 routers | 19:43 |
| amuller | achanda: sorry each router has a 'qg' device | 19:43 |
| amuller | not hosts | 19:43 |
| amuller | typically that device is plugged to br-ex, which is connected to a NIC on the host | 19:43 |
| achanda | so, what do I route via? when I add that route to a 3rd host? | 19:44 |
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| amuller | achanda: I think it would help if you could give me an example of what kind of addressing you use for the non-HA case | 19:45 |
| amuller | achanda: what IP addresses your internal and external devices of your routers have | 19:45 |
| amuller | what IP addresses your hosts have | 19:46 |
| amuller | and what route do you add | 19:46 |
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| achanda | my floating IP subnet is 192.168.3.0/24, one tenant network is 192.168.1.0/24 | 19:47 |
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| achanda | in non HA case, host1 runs L3 router, has a pvt IP | 19:48 |
| achanda | host2 runs VMs, pvt IP | 19:48 |
| achanda | I go to host3 and add a route to the floating ip subnet via host1 private ip | 19:48 |
| achanda | makes sense? | 19:48 |
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| amuller | what private IPs and on what device are they configured? just eth0 of the hosts? | 19:49 |
| achanda | yes | 19:49 |
| amuller | achanda: on your hosts, eth0 is connected to br-ex? | 19:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron: Enhance configure_for_func_testing.sh for *aaS use https://review.openstack.org/176064 | 19:51 |
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| achanda | amuller: yes | 19:51 |
| achanda | host1 is 10.249.231.105 and host2 is 106 | 19:52 |
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| achanda | :) | 19:55 |
| amuller | achanda: what are you doing with that patch, changing vip_parent_range to be in the 10.249.231.x subnet? | 19:56 |
| achanda | yes | 19:57 |
| amuller | achanda: so you're creating only one router? | 19:57 |
| achanda | no, I will have HA, multiple routers | 19:58 |
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| achanda | I was expecting the VIp to be in that range | 19:58 |
| achanda | with the patch | 19:58 |
| amuller | achanda: I mean one router with multiple backups | 19:58 |
| amuller | achanda: but only one router in neutron DB | 19:58 |
| achanda | right | 19:58 |
| amuller | only one neutron router-create command | 19:58 |
| achanda | yes | 19:59 |
| achanda | --ha True | 19:59 |
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| achanda | well, the default is that, when l3_ha is true | 19:59 |
| amuller | achanda: I wonder, how are your hosts able to "see" that address? it's not in the root namespace | 19:59 |
| amuller | and it's not connected to br-ex | 19:59 |
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| amuller | it's connected to br-int | 19:59 |
| amuller | achanda: I mean nothing should answer ARPs to that address if the request is coming in from the external network | 20:00 |
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| amuller | achanda: I'm speaking of the VIP on the ha device, the primary VIP taken from vip_parent_range | 20:02 |
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| achanda | so you're saying the VIP is on the ha device, which is no br-int? | 20:03 |
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| achanda | sorry, I don't have a setup handy | 20:03 |
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| achanda | which is on br-int * | 20:03 |
| amuller | achanda: correct | 20:04 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/179907 | 20:04 |
| achanda | I see | 20:04 |
| achanda | but then, how do I connect a HA router to an external network? | 20:05 |
| achanda | if not the VIP | 20:05 |
| achanda | ? | 20:05 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/179909 | 20:05 |
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| amuller | achanda: like legacy routers, you connect the router to the external network and subnet, and that subnet is expected to be routable from the outside | 20:06 |
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| achanda | amuller: connect using the VIP? | 20:07 |
| amuller | achanda: all qr devices and qg devices are added as VIPs to keepalived | 20:08 |
| amuller | and the floating IPs as well | 20:08 |
| amuller | everything is moved on failover | 20:08 |
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| amuller | every IP address in the namespace | 20:08 |
| achanda | okay | 20:08 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, hi | 20:12 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: yo! | 20:13 |
| amuller | achanda: I suppose we'll close the bug and patch? | 20:13 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, i am testing kilo subnetpool | 20:14 |
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| achanda | amuller: mind holding for some time? | 20:15 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, and i am surprised that a subnetpool can allocate a cidr that is already allocated without using subnetpool feature | 20:15 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, is it the expected behavior? | 20:15 |
| achanda | amuller: I need to clarify some more | 20:15 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: Not sure, carl_baldwin may know the answer, or tidwellr | 20:15 |
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| amuller | achanda: sure thing, please keep me updated | 20:15 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: hi | 20:16 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, great, i was looking for ryan nickname | 20:16 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle: Addresses from a subnetpool are considered to be in a different address space than addresses outside of any subnetpool. | 20:16 |
| achanda | amuller: thanks | 20:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Same with addresses from two different subnetpools. | 20:16 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That makes sense | 20:17 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it creates some troubles https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451559 | 20:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451559 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with multiples subnets on a unique network" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 20:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I see. This seems to be mixing subnets from the default (null or unnamed) pool with addresses from a named pool on the same network. | 20:20 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, yep | 20:20 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, a priori we must disallow it or provide an exclusion cidr list on cidr allocation | 20:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I have been thinking of disallowing mixing pools on a network as part of an “address scopes” design that I’m working on. | 20:24 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it would solve the trouble without changing subnet_alloc | 20:26 |
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| ZZelle_ | tidwellr, hi | 20:27 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, so no need to try to solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451559 for the moment? | 20:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451559 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with multiples subnets on a unique network" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 20:28 |
| * carl_baldwin thinks launchpad is acting up. Can’t post to the bug. | 20:28 | |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I recommend that all subnets on a given network come from the same pool. | 20:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I didn’t understand your last comment about solving the trouble without changing subnet_alloc | 20:29 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it was about your proposal | 20:30 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, should we allow multiple pools on the same network when cidr in subnetpool is explicitly provided? | 20:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: So, check that all subnets get allocated from the same pool? | 20:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: That is what I’m trying to recommend on launchpad. | 20:31 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i would perhaps also allow to use a different subnetpool if cidr is explicitly provided | 20:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I want to give that some thought. I think it will complicate things with some work I want to do in Liberty with address scopes and routing. | 20:34 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, ok | 20:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I think we should restrict it now and possibly relax it later after a bit more thought. | 20:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | … discussion, and design. | 20:35 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, an other remark on subnetpool, when looking a subnet_alloc implementation i don't understand how it ensures a cidr unicity in subnetpool | 20:37 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, as the lockmode in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/5962d825a6c98225c51bc6dd304b5c1ac89035ef/neutron/ipam/subnet_alloc.py#L40-L44 does not lock the whole subnet table in general | 20:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: What is the scope of the lock? Does it prevent another process from inserting a subnet with the given subnetpool? | 20:43 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, it depends | 20:44 |
| * carl_baldwin guesses it probably doesn’t. | 20:44 | |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, when no cidr is allocated, mysql locks the table, postgresql locks nothing in general and in particular crashs! https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451558 | 20:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451558 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with postgresql" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 20:45 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, when 1+ cidr are allocated, mysql locks the associated rows (iirc), postgresql also | 20:46 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: What about new rows? | 20:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Are they considered locked (as associated rows)? | 20:46 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: So, if another process adds a new row that would’ve been locked by the select for update? | 20:47 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, no except with mysql and a empty select | 20:47 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I see. | 20:48 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, a simple solution is not to lock the subnet table but the subnetpool one? | 20:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: That could work. I expect allocation from a pool to be a less common operation than others like port creation. | 20:52 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, if someone locks a row in subnetpool table, then no one else can lock it which ensures at most one cidr allocation in a subnetpool | 20:52 |
| tidwellr | ZZelle_ carl_baldwin: I agree, that should work | 20:52 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Yes. | 20:52 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, indeed, it solves also the postgresql trouble | 20:52 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: +1 | 20:52 |
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| ZZelle_ | and it seems simple to implement :) | 20:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Are you going to take this one? I noticed that you assigned it to yourself. If so, you are welcome to take it. If not, we can take it. | 20:55 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i will handle https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451558 for sure tomorrow | 20:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451558 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with postgresql" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 20:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Then I know it is in good hands. | 20:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Are you okay if we take https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451559 or do you want to tackle that one too? | 21:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451559 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with multiples subnets on a unique network" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 21:02 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, as you want, i won't have time to look at it before summit | 21:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Okay, we’ll work on it. | 21:04 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i also created https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451576 which will be solved with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1451558 | 21:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451576 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not ensuring non-overlapping cidrs" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 21:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1451558 in neutron "subnetpool allocation not working with postgresql" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Pinheiro proposed openstack/neutron: Fix router namespaces delete by interface removal. https://review.openstack.org/179296 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Pinheiro proposed openstack/neutron: Fix DVR interface delete by port when gateway is set https://review.openstack.org/173001 | 21:17 |
| openstackgerrit | David Pinheiro proposed openstack/neutron: Fix router namespaces delete by interface removal. https://review.openstack.org/179296 | 21:19 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: hi | 21:27 |
| HenryG | pc_m: hi | 21:27 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Can you look at the new version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176064/? | 21:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed openstack/neutron: Add IPset cleanup script https://review.openstack.org/174590 | 21:30 |
| HenryG | pc_m: Some of my late comments on PS3 got lost in the wash, sorry about that, but I think PS4 is fine. | 21:31 |
| HenryG | pc_m: We should get marun to look at this in case there are some side effects I did not spot. | 21:32 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Sure. Thanks for looking at it. | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 21:36 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: I don't see marun on right now, but he's on the reviewer list. | 21:37 |
| pc_m | HenryG: I have a VPN commit that uses this, so I'm anxious to get this in place. | 21:38 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: maybe try dougwig again? | 21:38 |
| pc_m | HenryG: Yeah... dougwig can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176064/? | 21:39 |
| busterswt | Is there any way to determine why a neutron port is stuck in a BUILD state? The port is associated with an instance that booted successfully but has incomplete connectivity. | 21:40 |
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| rmstar | hi guys. i am wondering if anyone can tell me how i can start learning about neutron. I think contribution is one way...so i like to know how to get started with that also :) | 21:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron: DON'T MERGE Remove allow_overlapping_ips https://review.openstack.org/179953 | 21:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Ensure non-overlapping cidrs in subnetpools https://review.openstack.org/179955 | 21:59 |
| ajo | hu | 21:59 |
| ajo | :) | 21:59 |
| ajo | hi armax , thanks for the review on the QoS spec, you depressed me a bit ;D I thought we were on better fit :) | 22:00 |
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| ajo | I had concerns about using dicts as parameters in previous iterations of the spec, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/6/specs/juno/qos-api-extension.rst L67 | 22:02 |
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| ajo | but as I got no reply I though it was ok in this case. | 22:03 |
| ajo | ok, I'm replying on the spec itself | 22:05 |
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| dougwig | pc_m, HenryG: i was waiting on maru for that review, but it looks like someone else +a'ed it. | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Ensure non-overlapping cidrs in subnetpools https://review.openstack.org/179955 | 22:24 |
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| haleyb | ajo: any reason i shouldn't remove the namespace param from ipset_manager? any expected future use? | 22:34 |
| ajo | haleyb, you can go ahead and remove it, since ipset actually doesn't obey namespaces it seems | 22:34 |
| ajo | haleyb +1 | 22:34 |
| haleyb | ok. i searched fwaas repo to see if it might use it (or the builtin iptables_firewall driver) and didnt' see anything there either | 22:35 |
| haleyb | i.e. if it was for more than just SG rules there could be a use case | 22:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/179869 | 23:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix invalid error message in neutron-cli https://review.openstack.org/173749 | 23:07 |
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