| amuller | marun: is there a bug I should link to? | 00:00 |
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| amuller | about the gate failures? | 00:00 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: thanks! | 00:00 |
| marun | amuller: yeah, related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1442272 | 00:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442272 in neutron "functional.agent.test_ovs_flows.ARPSpoofTestCase.test_arp_spoof_disable_port_security fails" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Maru Newby (maru) | 00:00 |
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| marun | I'll update the bug message, it's incorrect. | 00:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed openstack/neutron: Stop running L3 functional tests with both OVSDB interfaces https://review.openstack.org/168513 | 00:02 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: after restarting the l3 agent, the extra subnet seems to work fine :( | 00:22 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: floating IP from the extra subnet | 00:22 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: still around? | 00:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Enable ARP spoofing prevention by default https://review.openstack.org/172756 | 00:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Ignore 'ipset exists' errors when creating ipsets https://review.openstack.org/173608 | 00:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix intermittent ipset_manager test failure https://review.openstack.org/172223 | 00:40 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: are the exta_subnets cidrs configured on the fg device in the fip namespace? | 00:44 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: nope | 00:45 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: then maybe your upstream router on the external network is happy with redirects? | 00:46 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: why would there be a redirect? | 00:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Fix formatting errors in TESTING.rst https://review.openstack.org/173543 | 00:48 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: the floating IP is on the interface in the qrouter namespace | 00:49 |
| kevinbenton | and it seems to be responding | 00:49 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: i don't see any ICMP redirects | 00:49 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1312467 | 00:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1312467 in neutron "On external networks with multiple subnets, routers need onlink routes for all subnets" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 00:49 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: you need two computes | 00:50 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: two VMs, two floating IPs, each floating IP on a different subnet | 00:50 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: to reproduce the issue | 00:50 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: oh, i see | 00:50 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: this is single vm | 00:50 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: well single hypervisor | 00:50 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: Carl's explanation in that bug is good | 00:51 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: um, it makes no sense to me | 00:51 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: why would an upstream router generate a redirect for an IP on a different subnet? | 00:51 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: with legacy routers the qg device is on a single subnet right, with a single gateway | 00:52 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: oh, between floating IPs on the same subnet | 00:52 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: so if a router on one hypervisor is trying to route to a floating IP on a different hypervisor on the other subnet, it should be able to do so directly without going upstream | 00:52 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: if it had a route there | 00:52 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: on its own qg device | 00:53 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: that's a bold assumption about the decision the upstream router would make :) | 00:53 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: are you referring to the redirect? | 00:54 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: no, you are saying that floating IPs on different subnets should be able to communicate without going through the upstream router, right? | 00:54 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: if they are on the same network yes | 00:54 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: that is what happens with legacy routers with Carl's patch | 00:54 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: right, that's not a great assumption to make | 00:55 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: at the least it should be configurable | 00:55 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: what's the counter use case? | 00:55 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: policy or logging is being applied on the upstream router | 00:55 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: now we are just assuming the decision the upstream router will make about routing between the subnets | 00:56 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: and shortcutting past it | 00:56 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: Right now the assumption is that it's the same network, the fact that it's two separate subnets is because the admin ran out of addresses on the first subnet for example, and creating a second subnet is a sane way to 'expand' | 00:58 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: that's fine. the default way traffic flows between subnets regardless of broadcast domains is via a router | 00:58 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I don't think anyone had in mind that you created two subnets very much in purpose and there's a difference between them | 00:58 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I think what will carl say is that he wants to get in BGP this cycle anyway | 00:59 |
| amuller | and cut out all of this crap | 00:59 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: but you'd probably be better off starting a ML thread about this | 01:00 |
| kevinbenton | i'm not going to, it won't go anywhere because nobody cares about edge cases | 01:01 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I think Carl cares about your opinion and perspective... | 01:01 |
| amuller | now's the time to steer him a bit to the left or right :) | 01:01 |
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| kevinbenton | well i'm fine with it right now because DVR is actually working okay without that onlink bit | 01:02 |
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| kevinbenton | i'll just wait for whatever they decide is the new way to do this stuff with BGP | 01:03 |
| amuller | heh | 01:03 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: pong, and i'm assuming your ping has to do with ipsets | 01:05 |
| haleyb | is that traceback from the functional tests? | 01:06 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: yeah, just wanted you to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173608/ | 01:06 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: no, it's from an environment that was running before and i updated the agent | 01:07 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: so the default change caused that | 01:07 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: your ipset patch went into Kilo, right? if so, this patch needs to be part of the RC as well otherwise all of the agents will fail to start after an upgrade from Juno to Kilo | 01:08 |
| haleyb | why on earth does the kernel care about the size of the table/# of elements, that almost seems broken | 01:08 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: yes, that was in rc1 i believe | 01:09 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: can we print a warning and clear those config variables in that case, so we only throw the exception once? | 01:11 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: we won't throw once becasue the set swap that occurs afterwards will create one with the new defaults | 01:12 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: whoops | 01:12 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: we will only throw once * | 01:12 |
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| haleyb | ok, once per set | 01:12 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: yep, and only after a setting change | 01:13 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: so it should only happen after the upgrade from juno to kilo or when they adjust it themselves | 01:13 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: another think i wanted to ask you was about the original reason for that patch | 01:13 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: doesn't it seem odd to you that we were maxing out ipset entries just in tempest tests? | 01:14 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: right, and if we didn't need the increase for tempest failures we could remove the increased values | 01:14 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: how did we max out 65k entries when tempest tests use a few VMs at a time? | 01:15 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: we saw it in testing here as well, but that's different from tempest, but I was mostly going by the bug report | 01:15 |
| haleyb | So changing/removing the default could be a solution too for kilo | 01:16 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: re-reading the original bug, it could have been a bug in the test - i.e. it wasn't cleaning-up properly | 01:34 |
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| amuller | New blog posts about DVR on my blog is anyone is interested | 02:02 |
| amuller | Gooood night | 02:02 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: I think my fix should be okay. We will need something similar anyway if we want it configurable | 02:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-agent: Separate ovs-ofctl using code as a driver https://review.openstack.org/160245 | 02:59 |
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| kitch_ | Curious to know if anyone has made and attempt to connect a single private network to multiple external networks. My goal is that I have one private network and be able to have floating ips on two different external networks | 03:33 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: do you want me to submit a fix for that bug you reported | 05:48 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: i just started looking at it. do you have a fix? | 05:49 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: no, but it should only take a second for me to do it since i'm familiar with the code | 05:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Gal Sagie proposed openstack/neutron: Supress exception when trying to remove non existing device in SNAT redirect https://review.openstack.org/168806 | 05:54 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: did you want to fix it? | 05:55 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: if it's trivial for you, please do it. | 05:55 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: ok. let me work on it | 05:58 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: i added a comment to the bug about the direct cause of the problem. | 06:02 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: yeah, i can see for some reason that returns as a list | 06:03 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: http://paste.openstack.org/show/203942/ | 06:03 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: line 4 in that paste | 06:03 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: that's a slightly unfriendly interface :) | 06:04 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: it's how ovsdb has always been... | 06:08 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: unfriendly? :) | 06:08 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: heh | 06:10 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: what do you think of changing get_column_value to return None in that case? | 06:10 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: sounds too invasive to me | 06:11 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: yeah, it just seems like our abstraction kinda leaked here | 06:12 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: i was thinking to make get_vif_port_to_ofport_map just omit the incomplete ports | 06:12 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: if i have to check for a list to understand that it's not present | 06:12 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: yeah, i will probably just do that | 06:12 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: but it would be nice if it wasn't something as ugly as 'isinstance list' | 06:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/172628 | 06:13 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: how about int(port) with try-except? | 06:14 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: that's a little more pythonic | 06:15 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: it at least have a precedence in ovs_lib | 06:15 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: also protects us in case we ever did adjust to None | 06:15 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: sure | 06:15 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: btw what's "fall back to basic interface name" stuff for? | 06:17 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: so i've always been trying to support the case where the ovsdb external ids aren't present | 06:17 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: in case some script was moving ports around based on what was there in ovs-vsctl show | 06:18 |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: but maybe it's not worth it in the long run | 06:18 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: "vif" in the method name made me think it's about properly set up vifs. ie. have external-ids | 06:18 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: ie. exclude patch-tun etc | 06:18 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: but ml2 supports (kinda) as you saw in my other patches just using the interface name | 06:19 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: it isn't for ovs md as far as i know | 06:19 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: well everything is close to working for OVS | 06:20 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: you might be interested in this https://github.com/stackforge/networking-ofagent/blob/master/networking_ofagent/plugins/ofagent/agent/ports.py#L32 | 06:20 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: just thought it would be nice to exercise the code-path since it's there | 06:21 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: looks familiar :) | 06:21 |
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| gsagie | humm, i cloned neutron yesterday and i run the unit test and see a test failing: neutron.tests.unit.agent.linux.test_ipset_manager.IpsetManagerTestCaseHashArgs.test_set_members_adding_more_than_5 , anyone familiar with that? | 06:24 |
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| yamamoto | gsagie: i think i saw a fix recently | 06:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Handle no ofport in get_vif_port_to_ofport_map https://review.openstack.org/173704 | 06:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Handle no ofport in get_vif_port_to_ofport_map https://review.openstack.org/173704 | 06:53 |
| kevinbenton | yamamoto: ^^ | 06:54 |
| watanabe_isao | Hello to all. Can anyone execute the following unit test, please? | 06:54 |
| watanabe_isao | ./run_tests.sh -N neutron.tests.unit.plugins.ml2.test_db | 06:54 |
| watanabe_isao | ./run_tests.sh -N neutron.tests.unit.plugins.ml2.test_plugin | 06:55 |
| watanabe_isao | Not sure why mine is outputting: SystemError: Parent module 'sqlalchemy.ext.declarative' not loaded, cannot perform relative import | 06:55 |
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| yamamoto | kevinbenton: looks good to me. thank you! | 07:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | ShaoRan Xiao proposed openstack/neutron: [WIP]Definition of the Virtual Network Performance interface https://review.openstack.org/164814 | 07:27 |
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| gsagie | yamamoto: will check around, thanks | 07:47 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: ~~aloha~~ | 08:02 |
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| ajo | kevinbenton, I'm sorry about the QoS meeting time, why didn't you speak up in the thread? | 08:16 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: don't worry about it :) | 08:16 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, feel free to do it, I'm open to moving it, we had option "a" at 17:00 UTC but nobody voted for it AFAIK | 08:16 |
| ajo | :/ | 08:16 |
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| ajo | kevinbenton I'm also open to make it alternating if that makes it easier | 08:17 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: i'm not sure i would add much helpful | 08:17 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, you were involved in previous cycles from Bigswitch right? | 08:17 |
| ajo | how did it look for them, is there anything super important we should consider from their POV? | 08:18 |
| ajo | ping yamamoto :) | 08:18 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: nah, they were just looking for something basic | 08:18 |
| ajo | did you have some time to look at the openflow rules for CT? :) | 08:18 |
| yamamoto | ajo: pong | 08:18 |
| ajo | yamamoto, it was you who commented or I'm now confused :) | 08:19 |
| yamamoto | ajo: which comment? | 08:19 |
| ajo | yamamoto, 1 sec :D | 08:19 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167671/ | 08:19 |
| ajo | https://docs.google.com/a/ajo.es/document/d/1denBmjHSopFfcyfXaMHePqXyVrnr3exlFq9Sbfcz2po/edit# | 08:20 |
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| ajo | I need to make a graphic representation of the rules or something, when they are stabilized. | 08:21 |
| ajo | yamamoto: I have stateful openvswitch firewall working already :), with feature parity to linuxbridge | 08:21 |
| yamamoto | ajo: great | 08:21 |
| ajo | yamamoto, we have some gaps: | 08:22 |
| ajo | 1) ipsets -> conjunctions | 08:22 |
| ajo | 2) rule switching -> leaves the port without rules for 1-2 sec (we need to set the new, and clear the old ones, via cookies, for example) | 08:22 |
| ajo | 3) testing | 08:22 |
| ajo | but for a POC and performance testing I guess it's good enough | 08:23 |
| yamamoto | conjunctions? | 08:23 |
| ajo | conjunctive rules | 08:24 |
| ajo | yamamoto, you can now make bunch of rules, with a reference, and then use this reference from other rules | 08:24 |
| ajo | for example, to put groups of ip_src matches | 08:24 |
| yamamoto | about reducing number of flows? | 08:24 |
| ajo | then you reference from other rules just with conj_id=.... | 08:24 |
| ajo | yamamoto, and also making updates faster because you don't need to update on all the ports, just the security group ips | 08:24 |
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| yamamoto | i got it thank you | 08:25 |
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| ajo | :-) | 08:25 |
| yamamoto | i thought iptables based impl was not good at rule switching either | 08:26 |
| ajo | yamamoto, it's better with ipset, but still, not awesome since we use iptables-save / iptables-restore to switch all | 08:27 |
| ajo | yamamoto, I believe OF should be much better, well.... I'm preaching to the chorus I guess :D | 08:27 |
| * yamamoto reading dictionary about preach to chorus | 08:30 | |
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| kevinbenton | yamamoto: trying to convince people that already believe something :) | 08:32 |
| yamamoto | kevinbenton: thank you | 08:32 |
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| yamamoto | ajo: will you benchmark? | 08:33 |
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| ajo | yamamoto, yes, that's the plan, :) | 08:33 |
| ajo | yamamoto, I have tgraf, jpetit, ivan lazarro & joe on board to help with benchmarking | 08:34 |
| ajo | well, they also had same plan as I did, so they offered me to join forces with them :) | 08:34 |
| yamamoto | mmm ovs gurus. did they review your flows? | 08:36 |
| ajo | yamamoto, they are reviewing and making comments, so I hope soon we will have them more optimized :) | 08:36 |
| ajo | yamamoto, I'm just a beginner at writing flows, yet it feels like writting machine opcodes (lower than assembler) | 08:37 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: that seems a bit dramatic :) | 08:38 |
| yamamoto | ONF has a working group for a higher level description but i guess it's far from production | 08:38 |
| ajo | kevinbenton XD | 08:38 |
| ajo | kevinbenton yes, and the firewall driver is a "compiler", it compiles SG rules into low level opcodes XD | 08:39 |
| ajo | well, only the codegen part of the compiler :) | 08:39 |
| ajo | yamamoto, that will be good, I'm looking forward to see it :) | 08:39 |
| yamamoto | i've heard that google has a high-level language and its compiler for their dc switches (non-openflow) | 08:41 |
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| yamamoto | the "compiler" concept seems rather common in this area. | 08:42 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah | 08:44 |
| kevinbenton | even the concept behind OVN is suppose to bring it up a level | 08:44 |
| kevinbenton | so we go from network assembly to C ;) | 08:45 |
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| ajo | :D | 08:48 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, thanks for looking at the ipset -exist bug, I just realized it was happening from your patch | 08:48 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: what do you mean? | 08:49 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173608/ | 08:49 |
| ajo | I mean, thanks for this ^ | 08:49 |
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| ajo | I didn't even know we had a bug :/ | 08:49 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: oh i see | 08:49 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: no prob :) | 08:50 |
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| ajo | ping sc68cal | 09:11 |
| ajo | I guess he's sleeping at this time :) | 09:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNService takes names of device drivers from self.conf https://review.openstack.org/173332 | 10:41 |
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| atmark | Hi, I'm getting this error whenever I create a public and private network http://pastebin.com/PJCHNgT3 | 11:09 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: mestery: Hi! Can you guys review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169008/5? | 11:27 |
| amotoki | pc_m: looking | 11:27 |
| pc_m | amotoki: thanks! | 11:28 |
| amotoki | pc_m: What priority is best for the bug? | 11:29 |
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| pc_m | amotoki: I guess medium... it reduces dependency on neutron tests (we had a breakage recently due to change), and it reenables some test code that was not being run. | 11:30 |
| pc_m | amotoki: Targeted for Liberty. | 11:31 |
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| ajo | ping sgordon | 12:32 |
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| sgordon | ajo, yo | 12:42 |
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| ajo | hi :) | 12:42 |
| ajo | sgordon, it seems that I managed to overlap the QoS meeting with the TWG meeting | 12:43 |
| ajo | sgordon, by mistake | 12:43 |
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| sgordon | Wednesday 15th April 2015 1900 UTC #openstack-meeting-alt? | 12:43 |
| ajo | sgordon, I guess, it's of interest for some of the people in the TWG, at least, I should stay in both meetings, so I'll try to move the QoS meeting | 12:43 |
| ajo | sgordon, in this case it's 1400 UTC weekly | 12:44 |
| ajo | I guess it overlaps the other one | 12:44 |
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| ajo | sgordon, you have alternating ones right? , I never attend the 1900 UTC because it's a very complicated time for me | 12:44 |
| sgordon | yeah we are alternating | 12:44 |
| ajo | but I usually read the meeting minutes | 12:44 |
| sgordon | so next week is 1400 UTC | 12:44 |
| sgordon | same bat channe;l | 12:44 |
| ajo | sgordon, ack, can you announce the QoS meeting on the TWG tonight?, and see if there's anybody interested in joining? | 12:45 |
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| ajo | so it will be easier to move the QoS one | 12:45 |
| ajo | sgordon: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QoS | 12:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed openstack/neutron: Add updated_attrs in port_update https://review.openstack.org/155223 | 12:47 |
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| sgordon | ajo, sure | 12:50 |
| ajo | thanks sgordon | 12:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNService takes names of device drivers from self.conf https://review.openstack.org/173332 | 13:05 |
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| haleyb | ajo: did you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173753/ ? i know you saw his other ipset patch. perhaps it's just time to revert my change for kilo since it breaks upgrade? | 13:10 |
| haleyb | s/his/kevin's | 13:10 |
| ajo | haleyb it breaks upgrade even with kevin's patch? | 13:11 |
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| haleyb | ajo: kevin's patch should fix upgrade, although PS3 added some code i'm not happy about - basically doing an iptables call from the ipset code :( | 13:12 |
| ajo | ahh | 13:12 |
| ajo | it's doing CIDR expansion | 13:12 |
| haleyb | yes, that was most likely the underlying issue, i used the big hammer | 13:12 |
| ajo | haleyb, where? I missed that | 13:12 |
| haleyb | ajo: big hammer being up the maxelem value | 13:13 |
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| ajo | haleyb, as long the default cap we have is enough... | 13:13 |
| ajo | (for all) | 13:13 |
| ajo | otherwise people with big deployments is going to fail on using ipset | 13:13 |
| salv-orlando | hi haleyb and ajo - sorry for gate crashing your conversation | 13:13 |
| ajo | hi salv-orlando ;) | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | I see only 2 patch sets on kevin | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | patch 173573 | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | what is this ps3 calling iptables from ipsets | 13:14 |
| haleyb | salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173608/ <-- that one, sorry, his original change | 13:14 |
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| salv-orlando | haleyb: ok | 13:14 |
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| haleyb | my coffee has not kicked-in yet | 13:15 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173608/3/neutron/agent/linux/ipset_manager.py hmm , haleyb, I see the iptable rule deletion, yes | 13:16 |
| ajo | sounds a bit hacky | 13:16 |
| ajo | salv-orlando ^ | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | ajo: what's not hacky abput neutron? | 13:16 |
| ajo | salv-orlando: I try clean hacks as much as I can ;D :D generally I'm not smart enough :) | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | ajo: I hope you're aware that "clean hack" is an oxymoron | 13:18 |
| ajo | hmmm | 13:18 |
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| haleyb | ajo: is changing from hash:ip to hash:net viable for RC? it will leave the old sets around, but shouldn't impact upgrades | 13:18 |
| ajo | I try *to* clean hacks, sorry :D salv-orlando | 13:18 |
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| ajo | btw, haleyb , salv-orlando , removing the iptable rule at removing the set, doesn't seem too bad | 13:19 |
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| ajo | but I wonder why's that happening I need to spend more time trying to understand. | 13:19 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo: kevinbenton gave a good expl in the commit message | 13:19 |
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| salv-orlando | haleyb, ajo: why didn't we worry about removing references to ipsets from iptables before this change? | 13:20 |
| ajo | I see, | 13:21 |
| ajo | ok, fully understood now, | 13:21 |
| ajo | so when create -exist doesn't work (parameters changed..) | 13:21 |
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| ajo | he will kill and recreate the set, but can't do it without clearing the rule | 13:22 |
| ajo | then... | 13:22 |
| ajo | who's restoring the rule? | 13:22 |
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| ajo | salv-orlando, because we do it in an ordered way, we first remove the iptables references, and then, as gentlemen we ask ipset manager to remove the ipset | 13:22 |
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| haleyb | salv-orlando: what ajo said, which is done in the firewall driver | 13:23 |
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| haleyb | ajo: the firewall code would add the iptables rule back, but not until it runs again, which is ?? | 13:24 |
| ajo | this modification assumes that after creating the set, the iptable rule is going to be restored aftewards, | 13:24 |
| russellb | fyi ... i just created #ovn for anyone interested in chatting about the ovn work we're doing | 13:24 |
| ajo | russellb++ | 13:24 |
| sdague | ok, neutron usage question, what additional commands do I need to run on a stable/juno devstack for nova boot to actually let nova vms get an address? | 13:24 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: is it for ovs-ovn discussions, neutron-ovn, or everything ovn? | 13:25 |
| russellb | everything for now | 13:25 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: I sense a bit of frustation | 13:25 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: well, it's the last thing that's blocking the grenade refactor | 13:25 |
| russellb | salv-orlando: more the neutron-ovn bits, as that's what i've been talking to people on IRC in private messages about a lot | 13:26 |
| russellb | and figured i'd keep the noise out of here for now | 13:26 |
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| haleyb | ajo: this is why i keep coming back to a revert as the safest option, then fix it correctly in liberty | 13:26 |
| ajo | haleyb, yes, may be it's the best solution in the short term | 13:26 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: single node or multi-node setup? For a single node setup it should work out of the box with stack.sh | 13:26 |
| ajo | then we can work on a decent configuration for limits in the future. | 13:26 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: single node | 13:27 |
| sdague | and it's not | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: and then point me to an entry on logs.openstack.org I can look at | 13:27 |
| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/64/173364/6/check/check-grenade-dsvm-neutron/80a7dfb/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2015-04-15_12_54_38_937 | 13:27 |
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| haleyb | ajo: and if we have the "restore old sets in the manager" code in place, it can detect the maxelem/hashsize settings and do the right thing | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: thanks. lloking at it | 13:28 |
| sdague | the script that is being run is the 'create' portion of - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173364/6/projects/60_nova/resources.sh,cm | 13:28 |
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| ZZelle | haleyb, hi | 13:29 |
| salv-orlando | haleyb, ajo: so in kevin's patch, can we kindly ask the firewall driver to remove the entyr | 13:29 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: thanks much for looking | 13:29 |
| haleyb | ZZelle: pong | 13:29 |
| ZZelle | haleyb, i am wondering if we should not move https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157087 to oslo.middleware | 13:29 |
| ZZelle | haleyb, ie: other projects could/should have the same need | 13:30 |
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| haleyb | ZZelle: if oslo.middleware has code for that, sure. And there will be other projects that need that as I took that code from heat i think | 13:31 |
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| ajo | haleyb, btw, It's unclear to me if only reverting your change would remove the need to change the second patch from kevin | 13:33 |
| ZZelle | haleyb, the idea was to merge your change in oslo.middleware and then update neutron api-paste.ini | 13:33 |
| ZZelle | and heat api-paste.ini | 13:33 |
| ajo | haleyb, isn't it also required by the "net" vs "ip" ? | 13:33 |
| ajo | yes | 13:33 |
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| ajo | "needed by" https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173753/ | 13:33 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, from a design point of view, yes, ipset_manager->iptables_firewall_driver->iptables_manager | 13:34 |
| salv-orlando | haleyb, ajo: anyway, kevinbenton's patch has an issue as it might leave the system in an incosistent state on failures. So I gave it a -1, but if you find a way to do a clean removal of the existing ipset, or even better avoid the problem at all that would be ideal | 13:34 |
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| ajo | salv-orlando, going through iptables_manager would be a bit of a hammer, since that uses iptables-restore / iptables-save for the whole tables | 13:36 |
| haleyb | ZZelle: do you want me to propose that patch to oslo.middleware? | 13:36 |
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| ajo | btw I guess that's only going to happen once in a lifetime, once the sets are changed to the new type.... the exception should not happen again | 13:37 |
| ZZelle | haleyb, it seems more efficient every project would be able to reuse it | 13:37 |
| haleyb | ajo: right, but we would see the other exception any time maxelem is changed from its default | 13:38 |
| ZZelle | haleyb, if you prefer i can do it ... i need such middleware for nova as nova current approach for such case does not fit with my needs | 13:38 |
| ajo | haleyb, I'm lost, what other exception? | 13:39 |
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| ajo | I thought the one kevinbenton is seeing is related to ip->net, also for size values? | 13:39 |
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| ajo | ahh | 13:39 |
| ajo | so... your patch (thinking of upgrades) is actually depending on the new kevinbenton patch, right? | 13:39 |
| haleyb | ZZelle: feel free to do it | 13:39 |
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| ZZelle | haleyb, ok | 13:39 |
| salv-orlando | haleyb, ajo: so let me ask a dumb question - if we see a failure on ipset create with -exist in our code - can we expect that failure to be because of the changed hashsize? | 13:40 |
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| salv-orlando | the stuff that haleyb increased? | 13:41 |
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| haleyb | ajo: i was talking about the original issue, changing maxelem causes an exception | 13:41 |
| ajo | salv-orlando ^ yep | 13:41 |
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| ajo | so the currently merged patch, also depends on this exception catching/recreation by kevinbenton | 13:41 |
| haleyb | salv-orlando: yes, the current failure is due to maxelem being different from default | 13:41 |
| ajo | this is why haleyb is asking to revert his patch | 13:41 |
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| ajo | finally, coffee is making some effect in my brain | 13:41 |
| haleyb | i traced the kernel code and it checks maxelem, but the comment mentions hash bits so was maybe more meant for hashsize changing, but either way it's going to complain | 13:43 |
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| ajo | haleyb, also changing from ip->net also throws the same error | 13:45 |
| haleyb | ajo: one of the problems with changing to hash:net, although it looks like the correct change, is that the ipset_manager never cleans-up like the iptables_manager does | 13:45 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, haleyb : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173608/3/neutron/agent/linux/ipset_manager.py I posted some cleaner design ideas in PS3 | 13:45 |
| ajo | haleyb, what do yo mean by cleans-up ? | 13:46 |
| haleyb | ajo: ah, because the type changed | 13:46 |
| ajo | yo->you ':D | 13:46 |
| haleyb | ajo: the iptables_manger does an iptables-save, modifies it to match it's view of the world, then applies | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed openstack/neutron: IPv6 SLAAC subnet create should update ports on net https://review.openstack.org/172092 | 13:46 |
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| ajo | haleyb, do you mean iptables -D vs iptables-save ? | 13:47 |
| salv-orlando | haleyb: so why do not just leverage that information? I think that perhaps in case of failure in create we can read maxelem for the ipset and then create again the ipset with that maxelem | 13:47 |
| ajo | I'd be a bit happier if we could do iptables -D / iptables -A when the set is recreated... | 13:47 |
| ajo | that would be faster than doing a whole iptables-save / restore | 13:48 |
| haleyb | ajo: no, iptables-save, modify, iptables-restore.... too many conversations | 13:48 |
| ajo | but... | 13:48 |
| salv-orlando | it would be "handicapped" since it has an older maxelem and hashsize, but I think it's acceptable | 13:48 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: the instance appears to have no VIFs, and I do not see the create function creating any network in neutron. are those networks created somewhere else? | 13:49 |
| ajo | yikes!, I created the QoS meeting in #openstack-meeting-2 | 13:49 |
| ajo | but that room doesn't exist :) | 13:49 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: no idea, that's why I asked what I need to do in a stable/juno devstack | 13:50 |
| sdague | because the answer isn't just a nova boot | 13:50 |
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| haleyb | salv-orlando: i think ignoring the create error was something kevin's earlier patches were trying to do, and rely on "recreate" fixing it up | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Gal Sagie proposed openstack/neutron: OVS_LIB API addition - change bridge controller connection-mode https://review.openstack.org/167913 | 13:52 |
| haleyb | ajo: there is a not quite complete python-iptables module, iptables-save/restore is very painful sometimes | 13:52 |
| gsagie | roeyc : for you :) | 13:53 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: ok... then let's try with doing: | 13:58 |
| salv-orlando | neutron net-create <name? | 13:58 |
| salv-orlando | sorry | 13:58 |
| salv-orlando | neutron net-create <name> | 13:58 |
| salv-orlando | neutron subnet-create <net-name> <cidr> [--name <subnet_name>] | 13:59 |
| salv-orlando | before booting the instance | 13:59 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: do I need to do that for every tenant? | 13:59 |
| salv-orlando | sdauge: yes. unless you want to use a shared network. would that be more convenient for you. every tenant can boot an instance on a shared network, but the network id must then be explicitly passed to nova boot | 14:00 |
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| sdague | that seems less evil in this case | 14:00 |
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| sdague | is there a default shared network established in devstack here? maybe I'm just missing picking it up | 14:01 |
| sdague | honestly, I'd like to avoid putting neutron commands inside the nova resource scripts, as it kind of breaks the whole point of the isolation here | 14:02 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague, no it is not created by default by devstack. But I guess we can patch devstack with a flag for creating a single shared network for all tenants rather than a network for each tenant. That would avoid putting neutorn commands in the nova script. | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | but will move the burden onto devstack | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | anyway for creating a shared network you'll need admin credentials and it's done in the following way: | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | neutron net-create <net-name> --shared | 14:04 |
| sdague | oh, right, it's done for the demo account only | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | then subnet-create as before | 14:05 |
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| sdague | it would be really nice if you could just tell neutron "every tenant should get a network that looks like X by default" so that you don't have to manually provision for each tenant | 14:08 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: we do not have yet hte ability of handling notifications for keystone. There were a few months ago a few patches doing this, but they were rejected for reasons I do not recall now. | 14:11 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: it wouldn't need to be based on keystone actions | 14:12 |
| sdague | you could lazy create based on guests trying to come up | 14:12 |
| sdague | the network doesn't need to exist until there is something that needs to use it, right? | 14:13 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: this point was brought up in the past. I have no strong opinion, but it was argued that nova should not create resources that the user did not ask for. For instance creating a network and a subnet as a side effect of instance create. However, from a technical perspective, this would be fairly straigthforward | 14:15 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: ok, is that conversation archive somewhere I can see? | 14:16 |
| salv-orlando | you'd have to dig that out from mailing list archives. But I'm talking 2012/2013 | 14:16 |
| salv-orlando | perhaps you should bring up again the arbument | 14:16 |
| salv-orlando | *argument | 14:16 |
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| sdague | yeh, maybe that would be a reasonable part of the cross project session | 14:17 |
| sdague | subnet-create also will need to take --shared ? | 14:18 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, do you know about the flavor specs use cases? | 14:19 |
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| ajo | I'm a bit confused about them, and how could they apply to QoS, I haven't been able to sync with dougwig yet, I guess our timezones are very different | 14:20 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: so this looks about right - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173792/3/projects/50_neutron/resources.sh,cm ? | 14:24 |
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| sdague | I think because of ordering here I can actually just make this run in the neutron resource script instead | 14:24 |
| sdague | and the cinder and nova checks will be oblivious to it | 14:24 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: that looks fine. then the nova resource script should pick up automatically the shared network | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix Python client library for Neutron https://review.openstack.org/172646 | 14:51 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: ok, so they aren't | 15:02 |
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| sdague | ERROR: openstack Unable to associate floating ip 172.24.5.5 to fixed ip 10.1.0.2 for instance c1fe6587-c199-4a9c-b74b-f13a013340f1. Error: External network fa64ec90-9b92-4cf6-9d5b-bf1076a01bff is not reachable from subnet c1d96f60-f325-4e7a-a717-18b4680bd2dd. Therefore, cannot associate Port 56d7270c-5bc1-4bb4-b3f4-4d987ca49506 with a Floating IP. (HTTP 400) (Request-ID: req-524c9005-04dc-4065-974c-06afebea85df) | 15:03 |
| MarceloAmaral | Swami: Hi | 15:04 |
| haleyb | sdague: does the router have an interface on the external and internal network? That's something that devstack also configures for the 'demo' user | 15:05 |
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| sdague | haleyb: I haven't built any such thing. I was kind of hoping that a working network here wasn't going to take a dozen neutron commands. :( | 15:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/neutron: Remove un-used keys in keepalived tests https://review.openstack.org/173928 | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | sdague: unfortunately not the case, create_neutron_initial_network() in lib/neutron-legacy does do a few more things than create a network/subnet | 15:11 |
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| lucasagomes | hi all, if you have a time mind taking a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172040/ ? It's already +2'd and facilitate Ironic's integration with Neutron | 15:12 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 15:12 |
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| sdague | haleyb: yeh, so I think most of that should be deleted from devstack, I think by outsourcing sane defaults to devstack it's let this whole thing grow overly complex | 15:13 |
| sdague | sane defaults really should live back in the service | 15:13 |
| haleyb | which gets back to the "should neutron configure things by default" question, which not everyone wants | 15:15 |
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| sdague | haleyb: then you make it optional to disable those things. But punting on sane defaults makes it really difficult to argue that neutron should be the default networking stack. | 15:16 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague, haleyb: do you want sane networks default or is it more that you reckon networking should work by default, without requiring users to do any sort of infrastructure configuration | 15:20 |
| haleyb | sdague: just as a counter-point, is it not Ok that users need to know they need to configure a network too? Not trying to argue, but they're going to need to know neutron enough to configure other advanced services too | 15:20 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: I want an out of the box experience of something working | 15:21 |
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| sdague | haleyb: only if they want to use those advanced services, it's important to be able to layer up from a minimal working thing | 15:21 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: ok... so I want also an instance and a default volume booted by default ;) | 15:22 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: and right now, I want some piece of code to get these grenade scenarios working, because the neutron network setup issue is the blocking issue | 15:22 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: I have working networking by default with n-net, at most I need to specify an interface | 15:23 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: I think you're asking to be able to use neutron as if it were nova-network - ie: you get an instance with connectivity without doing anything | 15:23 |
| salv-orlando | yes, what you just said | 15:23 |
| haleyb | sdague: with my cloud provider had on, training our customers on the use of neutron APIs was a good thing, sure, there's a learning curve but they don't bother us any more :) | 15:23 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: yes | 15:23 |
| sdague | haleyb: I'm happy that worked out for you | 15:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 15:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Some cleanup in L3 HA code https://review.openstack.org/169718 | 15:24 |
| clarkb | as a neutron user (via hpcloud) I find it to be a terrible experience that I must manage router networks subnets ports and floating IPs when I just want a VM with a public IP | 15:24 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: basically what neutron does not do is creating by default the implicit infrastructure you use with nova-net (the flat network and the single shared router in the network node(s) ) | 15:24 |
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| salv-orlando | clarkb, sdague: my cloud provider for every tenant initializes a default network with a router and an uplink to the external network... | 15:25 |
| clarkb | if we ignore whether or not this level of control is typically needed the larger issue is that these api requests fail | 15:25 |
| clarkb | resources leak | 15:25 |
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| salv-orlando | so I don't have to specify anything unless I want to create network topologies. I just have to remember to boot the instance on the default network my cloud provider created for me | 15:26 |
| amuller | salv-orlando: so do Rackspace and HP | 15:26 |
| clarkb | and the management I have to do client side to track it properly is very complex | 15:26 |
| clarkb | hpcloud does not | 15:26 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: so every cloud provider wrote their own custom logic on top of neutron to make it do the right thing? | 15:26 |
| sdague | which is separate and closed source? | 15:26 |
| clarkb | I had to manually create networks there and routers and subnets | 15:26 |
| amuller | clarkb: When I created a user on hp cloud a year~ ago, my new tenant was greeted with a private network, subnet, and a router connecting that network to the public network | 15:27 |
| amuller | clarkb: haleyb: Maybe it's changed since then | 15:27 |
| haleyb | sdague: i'm not against some "create by default" flag, just that some tenants will want that off. | 15:27 |
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| clarkb | amuller ok so they may have fixed it since our account was created | 15:27 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: well I do not know about *every* cloud provider. But this is getting out of hand and what you're complaining about can be solved fairly easy | 15:27 |
| sdague | haleyb: sure, but that's about sane defaults. Start in a working place | 15:27 |
| ijw | sdague: the defaults come from Nova, you know | 15:28 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: ok, so please help me figure out how to fix this grenade resource script | 15:28 |
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| sdague | because this is the blocker for openning up grenade to other projects | 15:28 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: are you happy with putting all the code that you need for setting up this infrastructure in the neutorn resource script? Baiscally we'd create enough stuff to give you the equivalent of n-net with flat-dhcp | 15:29 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: if it makes the rest of this pass, sure | 15:29 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: here is where it currently stands https://review.openstack.org/173792 | 15:31 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: indeed I was looking there, but there is a bit that I'm missing - where do you create the nova "public" floating ip pool? | 15:32 |
| sdague | that's already setup by devstack | 15:32 |
| sdague | I'm looking at what gets setup | 15:33 |
| sdague | which is a public floating space | 15:33 |
| sdague | and then a tenant network for the demo tenant | 15:33 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: ok great. I thought it was a different one ;) we can use that one in neutron too, as it should correspond to a neutron external network | 15:33 |
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| sdague | but all these resource scripts are living in different tenants to make it look a little more like a real env | 15:34 |
| sdague | which is the crux of the issue here | 15:34 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: I do not understand your last point. Do you run these resource scripts for every tenant? | 15:35 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: no. | 15:35 |
| sdague | the modular grenade resource survival means that every service is responsible for it's own scenario to check it doesn't do a bad thing | 15:36 |
| sdague | and in each of those we create a new tenant | 15:36 |
| sdague | i.e. - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173364/8/projects/60_nova/resources.sh,cm | 15:36 |
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| banix | mestery: Wanted to verify if the odl (ovsdb) with Neutron odl plugin require l3 agent or not? | 15:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ah so they are tenant isolated, see my comment in -qa that's what you'll likely have to do an equiv of in the neutron case | 15:37 |
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| mtreinish | devstack does those things for demo and the other users it creates,(I think) but if you're making new ones for the resource scripts you'll have to do it again | 15:37 |
| salv-orlando | sdague, mtreinish: I thought we were talking about setting a minimal 'default' network infrastructure for enabling booting a VM and assigning it a floating ip | 15:38 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: that's what I'd like | 15:39 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: but 50_neutron/resources.sh is supposed to test basic functionality of the neutron service, not provide the network resource for 60_nova/resources.sh | 15:39 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: eventually, sure | 15:39 |
| salv-orlando | because then if you change the order of this two resource scripts thing will fall again | 15:40 |
| sdague | the order is guarunteed | 15:40 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Ping | 15:41 |
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| ijw | Sukhdev: beerping | 15:41 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando, mestery: do you know what this command is? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173756/ I've never heard of it, is it a server side thing? | 15:42 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: "coming back to the crux" of the issue - if we want 50_neutron/resource.sh to set up a network environment like flatdhcp for 60_nova/resources we must do that in admin context | 15:42 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: ha ha I always like beer pings :-) | 15:42 |
| ijw | I was trying to turn kevinbenton to the dark side, I wondered if you wanted to help | 15:42 |
| mestery | mtreinish: No idea, I'll dig a bit | 15:42 |
| ijw | Friday, probably | 15:42 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery, mtreinish: that command is for neutron probes, which are only used in devstacke xercises | 15:42 |
| salv-orlando | that patch is like doing meta-testing imho | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNService takes names of device drivers from self.conf https://review.openstack.org/173332 | 15:43 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: that's fine, we're in an admin context there | 15:44 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: sounds good to me - | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: perfect. then we need a neutron router to connect the subnet $NETWORK_NAME to "public" | 15:44 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: we start with an admin context in all of these scripts, and drop privs when needed | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | we need 3 commands to this aim: | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | neutron router-create <name> | 15:45 |
| salv-orlando | neutron router-interface-add <router_name> <subnet_name> | 15:45 |
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| salv-orlando | neutron router-gateway-set <router_name> public | 15:45 |
| salv-orlando | this should ensure the floating IP creation does not fail. Hopefully we'll get connectivity too ;) | 15:45 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ah ok, that would explain why I've never heard of it. Probably not something worth adding a method to call it from tempest-lib for then | 15:45 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: wait a sec perhaps I'm mixing up "neutron debug" and "neutron-debug" ;) | 15:47 |
| Sukhdev | ijw: were you able to get kevinbenton on the dark side? | 15:47 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: ok, testing now | 15:48 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: need a sec of your time | 15:48 |
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| mtreinish | mestery, salv-orlando: it looks like this thing: http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/neutron-debug_commands.html | 15:48 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: nope I was right. It's the probe thing. neutron-debug is not even part of the neutron CLI | 15:48 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: In the middle of something right now, give me 20 minutes or go async :) | 15:48 |
| salv-orlando | it's a utility in the neutron source code tree | 15:48 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: yep | 15:48 |
| ijw | Sukhdev: it's kevinbenton, he's basically there already holding a pint and waiting for us | 15:49 |
| otherwiseguy | mestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171058/ was just approved, but I noticed it uses a function from neutron that doesn't actually exist (was proposed as a patch, but abandoned). I was apparently a few seconds late with my -1 review. :) | 15:49 |
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| otherwiseguy | I guess I could click "rebase" to interrupt the process. | 15:49 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok then that probably shouldn't go in tempest-lib | 15:49 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: 20 minutes is OK- Ping me when you are free | 15:49 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: ha ha cool - so, kevinbenton is inviting us to the dark side then :-) | 15:50 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: I don't think it has any place there | 15:50 |
| mestery | otherwiseguy: Woops! :( | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Boik proposed openstack/neutron: Allow only one IPv4 and one IPv6 fixed IP on router gateway port https://review.openstack.org/167784 | 15:51 |
| otherwiseguy | mestery: obviously we need to work on networking_ovn unit/functional tests. :) | 15:51 |
| mestery | otherwiseguy: :) | 15:51 |
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| Sukhdev | ijw: get armax as well - he always looks thirsty to me :-) | 15:53 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: ok, that seems to be working, thanks! | 15:54 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: glad to hear that. I hope you don't find that too terrible | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/neutron-specs: BGP dynamic routing https://review.openstack.org/125401 | 15:57 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: sure. I still think it would be nice if neutron could be configured with "when you see a new tenant, ensure X exists", sort of a network template that could be deployed via neutron configs. That would make it site changable, and allow for defaults. | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | ajo: don't forget about #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:03 |
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| zigo | When building the RC1 Debian package, I get lots of errors like this: | 16:05 |
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| zigo | RuntimeError: No 'neutron.openstack.common.cache.backends' driver found, looking for 'memory' | 16:06 |
| zigo | What's going on? | 16:06 |
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| zigo | It's looking like an issue with a stevedore entrypoint | 16:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | zigo, which build step is it? | 16:09 |
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| zigo | ihrachyshka: I think I hacked a solution ! :) | 16:09 |
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| zigo | ihrachyshka: Using PYTHONPATH=build/* ./run_tests.sh | 16:10 |
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| zigo | So that the entrypoints are setup correctly. | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | oh, so you run tests with run_tests.sh? | 16:10 |
| zigo | ihrachyshka: Yeah. Should I run testr directly instead? | 16:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | zigo, there were multiple attempts to kill run_tests.sh. so far it survived, but you never know | 16:11 |
| zigo | BTW, I have found out why I had the need of a Build-Depends: python-neutron-lbaas, it's because I was patching neutron.conf to include lbaas by default, I don't do that anymore, so tit's fine. | 16:11 |
| zigo | ihrachyshka: I don't mind either ways, really. But if there's a run_tests.sh, I'll just use that ... | 16:11 |
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| ihrachyshka | ok, I think it won't be hard to switch in case it's finally killed | 16:12 |
| zigo | Right. | 16:12 |
| zigo | I use testr in so many packages anyway... | 16:12 |
| zigo | (all the oslo.* stuff...) | 16:12 |
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| ihrachyshka | ok, need to run. cheers. | 16:13 |
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| zigo | Yup, I confirm it: I fixed it using PYTHONPATH=build/* :) | 16:14 |
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| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 16:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: hi | 16:54 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171637/? Simple change for FWaaS, similar to what was done in VPN and Neutron. | 16:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yes sure | 16:55 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks | 16:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: no thank you! | 16:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 16:55 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: ping | 18:41 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: pong | 18:41 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: if we change to hash:net and leave the tunables at default (None), that would get most of the way there, excepting if someone set those tunables. would that be good enough? | 18:43 |
| salv-orlando | I think it would | 18:43 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: no | 18:44 |
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| haleyb | hmm, how about revert and move to hash:net ? i'm just trying to minimize the change | 18:44 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: sorry, one sec | 18:45 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: on a conf call | 18:45 |
| angela-s | mestery: ping | 18:46 |
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| mestery | angela-s: yo | 18:46 |
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| haleyb | because the underlying problem is/was that someone was filling the hash with a /cidr, which won't happen with hash:net | 18:46 |
| angela-s | re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172207/ , is my approach to the INI file defintions on the right track, or should I look into Ihar's suggestion? | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Swaminathan Vasudevan proposed openstack/neutron: Fixes race condition and boosts the scheduling performance https://review.openstack.org/173672 | 18:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add functional test for subnet create https://review.openstack.org/172548 | 18:53 |
| angela-s | mestery: you have given +2, but i want to be sure we can go ahead with this approach ^^^ Thanks! | 18:53 |
| mestery | angela-s: Lets wait for ihar to reply | 18:54 |
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| angela-s | ok, sure. thanks! | 18:55 |
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| marceloamaral | Swami: hi | 18:56 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: ok, sorry about that | 18:56 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: so moving to hash:net introduces the same problem as changing the defaults | 18:56 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: yes, i just found that out, name conflict | 18:57 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: calling 'create' with the same name conflicts | 18:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Sentinel patch to compare DVR single vs multi node CI stability https://review.openstack.org/174003 | 18:58 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: so one other approach if we are afraid of cleaning up the ipsets is to change to hash:net and then change the ipset naming scheme at the same time | 18:59 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: and also revert your change or at least set the default to match the previous value | 19:00 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: it would mean there are leftover ip sets | 19:00 |
| * mestery reads backscroll from kevinbenton and haleyb | 19:01 | |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: but there wouldn't be any conflicts | 19:01 |
| mestery | kevinbenton haleyb: The RC window will open soon, so I'm catching up on the ipset stuff now. | 19:01 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery, haleyb: summary of where we are - we need to change to 'hash:net' from 'hash:ip' because allowed address pairs can have cidrs | 19:02 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: yeah, that could work, NTv4 instead of IPv4 doesn't lose any of the uuid in the name, and makes the neutron ones easy to find | 19:02 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: the only problem is still that everything breaks whenever people tweak the hash element param options you added | 19:03 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Danke | 19:03 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: when we change the hash type (or other ipset params), the next time the agent starts, it gets an 'exists' error | 19:04 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: when trying to create the ipset | 19:04 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: yes, but i'd be fine removing that, since we might not need it for now | 19:04 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: so we need code to detect that | 19:04 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: yikes | 19:04 |
| kevinbenton | mestery, haleyb: ok. i'm going to shuffle these patches around then | 19:05 |
| kevinbenton | mestery, haleyb: i'll propose a revert of yours and have my hash:net one change the ipset name | 19:05 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: those two should go to RC | 19:05 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ack! Lets get them in master so we can then get them proposed to proposed/kilo | 19:06 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: sounds good, then i can work on fixing it all up in Liberty by pre-loading info on existing ipsets at init time | 19:06 |
| kevinbenton | mestery, haleyb: then i'll continue to clean up my patch to delete them | 19:06 |
| kevinbenton | for liberty | 19:06 |
| kevinbenton | and we can revert the revert | 19:06 |
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| haleyb | yes, it's just the call to iptables that bothers me | 19:07 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: if you didn't already push the revert button i'm on the review... | 19:07 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: it has a conflict :( | 19:08 |
| haleyb | oh, i fixed an ipset_manager test bug yesteray | 19:08 |
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| haleyb | err, actually ipset_manager bug | 19:08 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: i'm doing it now | 19:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Revert "Add ipset element and hashsize tunables" https://review.openstack.org/174033 | 19:15 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: +2 on the revert, poitned armax at it as well | 19:15 |
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| armax | mestery, kevinbenton done | 19:23 |
| armax | haleyb: do we have a plan of attack for resubmitting the patch with the right intentions’ | 19:23 |
| armax | ? | 19:23 |
| mestery | armax: thanks! | 19:23 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes | 19:24 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i will propose the 'revert revert' back to master | 19:24 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ok tnx | 19:24 |
| armax | was the reverted patch affecting the gate? | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Set IPset hash type to 'net' instead of 'ip' https://review.openstack.org/173753 | 19:25 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: no, it was affecting any deployments based on previous ipset code upgrading | 19:25 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so it was going to break anyone upgrading from juno to kilo | 19:26 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: gotcha | 19:26 |
| armax | I wonder why this didn’t get caught by grenade | 19:26 |
| kevinbenton | how does grenade work? | 19:27 |
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| kevinbenton | does it actually launch some vms and then upgrade the agents? | 19:27 |
| armax | yes | 19:27 |
| armax | but it doesn’t keep the vms up and running though | 19:27 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I guess that’s the reasons | 19:28 |
| armax | reason | 19:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Set IPset hash type to 'net' instead of 'ip' https://review.openstack.org/173753 | 19:28 |
| armax | I would need to look at it more closely though | 19:28 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb, mestery: here is the patch on top https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173753/ | 19:28 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: if there was no such test, it would be a nice addition | 19:28 |
| armax | perhaps sdague can confirm | 19:28 |
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| armax | sdague: do you know if grenade keeps some VM’s up and running during an upgrade? | 19:29 |
| sdague | armax: it does | 19:29 |
| armax | sdague: ok, kevinbenton so this is definitely puzzling | 19:29 |
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| armax | sdague: thanks | 19:29 |
| kevinbenton | armax: well i suppose it could silently be failing as well | 19:29 |
| kevinbenton | armax: after it does the upgrade, does it destroy instances and create new ones? | 19:30 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: true, I guess it’s worth investigating | 19:30 |
| haleyb | well, the old ipset would still be there, so security groups would still work possibly | 19:30 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it will | 19:30 |
| sdague | kevinbenton: only in tempest tests | 19:30 |
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| sdague | those are tenant isolated though, so new tenants | 19:31 |
| armax | kevinbenton: gotta dash now, pick this up later | 19:31 |
| sdague | we don't ever try to create a new VM on existing tenants that were there before the upgrade | 19:31 |
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| sdague | maybe that's the needle you threaded | 19:31 |
| kevinbenton | sdague: sounds like it | 19:32 |
| kevinbenton | because as haleyb pointed out, the previous ipsets are there | 19:32 |
| sdague | once the rest of the grenade modular stack is working, that sounds like a reasonable addition | 19:32 |
| kevinbenton | they just become frozen in time | 19:32 |
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| pc_m | mestery: hi | 19:36 |
| mestery | pc_m: howdy! | 19:36 |
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| pc_m | mestery: for this issue that FWaaS team saw with proposed/kilo code pulling master for neutron project and having issues. | 19:37 |
| pc_m | mestery: I'm trying to form a dependency line that works, but am having issues. | 19:37 |
| mestery | pc_m: What have you found so far? | 19:37 |
| pc_m | mestery: Looks like two places to change. requirements.txt and tox.ini | 19:38 |
| mestery | pc_m: Sounds right | 19:38 |
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| pc_m | In tox.ini, I tried adding @proposed/kilo#egg=neutron and I tried @2015.1.0rc1#egg=neutron on the end and it fails in tox. | 19:39 |
| pc_m | mestery: Can't install deps | 19:39 |
| mestery | pc_m: We haven't released 2015.1.0 yet, so that makes sense | 19:40 |
| pc_m | I don't know if I still have syntax wrong, or if it won't work with git+https | 19:40 |
| mestery | pc_m: I would have thought proposed/kilo would have worked | 19:40 |
| * mestery goes to look | 19:40 | |
| pc_m | mestery: but there is a rc1 tag, right? | 19:40 |
| mestery | pc_m: ack, yes | 19:40 |
| pc_m | 2015.1.0rc1 | 19:40 |
| pc_m | mestery: So tag and branch aren't working for me. | 19:40 |
| mestery | pc_m: Ah, I missed the rc1 at the end | 19:40 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Tried with neutron.git as well. Here's the latest: | 19:41 |
| pc_m | mestery: deps = -egit+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron.git@2015.1.0rc1#egg=neutron | 19:41 |
| mestery | pc_m: Trying something | 19:42 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: regarding my naming comment, it might be best to change it as 'ipset -L -n' will list just the sets without hash:ip, and maybe more suited for a quick cleanup script with a startswith() check | 19:44 |
| mestery | pc_m: This worked for me: | 19:44 |
| mestery | pc_m: deps = -egit+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron@stable/kilo#egg=neutron | 19:44 |
| mestery | pc_m: stable/kilo | 19:44 |
| mestery | pc_m: For vpnaas at least | 19:44 |
| pc_m | mestery: I'm also concerned about the comment at the end of the requirements.txt, about tooling not playing nicely w/projects not available in PyPI | 19:45 |
| pc_m | mestery: I'm over in FW right now... | 19:45 |
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| mestery | pc_m: Heh, yes, the comment speaketh truth | 19:45 |
| mestery | pc_m: OK, trying fwaas | 19:45 |
| pc_m | mestery: So does that mean there will be issues with adding in the dependency? | 19:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix Python client library for Neutron https://review.openstack.org/172646 | 19:46 |
| mestery | pc_m: I don't think so | 19:46 |
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| mestery | pc_m: In fwaas, proposed/kilo worked fine for me too | 19:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/neutron-specs: fwaas rules directions https://review.openstack.org/171340 | 19:49 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Hmmm. | 19:50 |
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| mestery | pc_m: For fwaas, this worked form e: deps = -egit+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron@proposed/kilo#egg=neutron | 19:50 |
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| pc_m | mestery: i checked out proposed/kilo and then modified the two files to add in @proposed/kilo and it is saying it cannot install dependencies | 19:50 |
| mestery | pc_m: in tox.ini | 19:50 |
| pc_m | mestery: In VPN I just did this, and it failed with the same install deps error: | 19:52 |
| pc_m | deps = -egit+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron@proposed/kilo#egg=neutron | 19:52 |
| mestery | pc_m: http://paste.openstack.org/show/204032/ | 19:52 |
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| pc_m | in tox.ini | 19:52 |
| mestery | pc_m: With that change, "tox -v -epep8" and "tox -v -epy27" work fine for me | 19:52 |
| zigo | Why is neutron-lbaas trying to install config files in /usr/etc ?!? | 19:53 |
| zigo | I can deal with it, but that's really stupid ! | 19:53 |
| pc_m | mestery: I have the same, only proposed/kilo and it fails | 19:53 |
| mestery | zigo: Best to ask in #openstack--lbaas | 19:53 |
| zigo | mestery: Thanks. | 19:53 |
| mestery | pc_m: I don't think we want proposed/kilo though, that's a short-lived branch. | 19:53 |
| mestery | pc_m: But even so, when I add that, it works fine. | 19:53 |
| mestery | pc_m: So I'm confused :) | 19:53 |
| pc_m | mestery: Me too | 19:54 |
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| mestery | pc_m: Talking with ttx on this now, stay tuned | 19:55 |
| pc_m | mestery: If I manually do a pip install -U -r/opt/stack/neutron-vpnaas/requirements.txt -r/.../test-requirements.txt and it seems to run. | 19:56 |
| pc_m | mestery: I did try removing .tox dir, same issue. | 19:56 |
| mestery | pc_m: I've got it under control now, let me propose the patches and I'll show you | 19:56 |
| pc_m | mestery: OK. | 19:57 |
| mestery | pc_m: Thanks though! | 19:57 |
| pc_m | mestery: sure, thought it was going to be easy... | 19:58 |
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| mestery | pc_m: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174071/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174070/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174068/ | 20:02 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Thanks. It's what I had on mine. Not sure why it didn't work. I did proposed/kilo, but also tried stable/kilo. | 20:04 |
| pc_m | mestery: Must be something in my view. | 20:04 |
| mestery | pc_m: rm -rf .tox | 20:04 |
| mestery | pc_m: Works every single time | 20:04 |
| mestery | :) | 20:04 |
| pc_m | mestery: didn't | 20:04 |
| mestery | pc_m: weird | 20:04 |
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| pc_m | mestery: What pip version are your running? | 20:09 |
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| mestery | pc_m: checking | 20:09 |
| mestery | pip 6.0.8 from /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (python 2.7) | 20:09 |
| mestery | pc_m: ^^^ | 20:09 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Same as me. | 20:09 |
| pc_m | mestery: I'm baffled... | 20:09 |
| mestery | pc_m: Me too :) | 20:09 |
| mestery | pc_m: Well, watch this fail in the gate now like it did for you :) | 20:09 |
| pc_m | mestery: I hope not. | 20:10 |
| mestery | pc_m: Try "git review -d'ing" my patch and see if it works for you. | 20:10 |
| mestery | pc_m: Just for fun :) | 20:10 |
| pc_m | ok. | 20:10 |
| pc_m | mestery: Trying... | 20:11 |
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| mestery | pc_m: ack | 20:12 |
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| pc_m | mestery: When you pulled your branch, did you use origin/proposed/kilo for the branch? | 20:13 |
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| pc_m | mestery: I did git fetch origin, and then get checkout -b my-branch origin/proposed/kilo | 20:13 |
| mestery | pc_m: No, just proposed/kilo, it assumes origin | 20:13 |
| mestery | by default | 20:13 |
| pc_m | mestery: crap. That may be it. Your 174070 review patch is running... | 20:14 |
| mestery | pc_m: :) | 20:14 |
| mestery | pc_m: Well, at least we figured it out! :) | 20:14 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Yeah. | 20:15 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: are you going to repropose the rbac spec? | 20:30 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: yes | 20:31 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: what are your thoughts on how much scope creep shoud be allowed in? | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/neutron: Set IPset hash type to 'net' instead of 'ip' https://review.openstack.org/173753 | 20:32 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: ^^ | 20:32 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: i.e. it was simple when it was just shared networks | 20:32 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: then it became the solution to external networks and at that point people balked at it for being complex | 20:33 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: I think that 1) not all objects should have rbac - networks and routers, maybe subnets but not sure about the latter | 20:33 |
| salv-orlando | 2) roles should be hardcoded. it's just admin, user, and owner | 20:34 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: what does a shared router mean? anyone can attach it to an arbitrary network? | 20:34 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: a router you can attach to even if you do not own it | 20:34 |
| salv-orlando | *you can attach your subnets too | 20:35 |
| salv-orlando | but even this shared router, let's keep it optional. | 20:35 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: what i was thinking was to try to make it pretty flexible and just start with networks and then move onto <whatever> in subsequent patches | 20:35 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: yes | 20:36 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: you know what I think... you can model whatever you want in the spec, no matter how complicated, just my advise would be to stage the work in phases (Even specified so in the spec). Phase 1 would be RBAC for networks, phase 2+ subnets, routers, cucumbers... | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: however, that won't address external networks | 20:36 |
| salv-orlando | what about external networks? do you have any opinion on that. I am afraid that we'll end up | 20:36 |
| salv-orlando | adding a layer of complexity for satisfying a thirst for flexibility needed only by a handful of users | 20:37 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: i have to step away for a bit, but let me think about external networks | 20:38 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to model | 20:38 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: np, I was kust checking if you had this on your agenda. just revive the spec and we'll resume the discussion from there | 20:38 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: i can see a legitimate use case for only allowing special tenants to connect to the 'platinum' external network | 20:39 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I think that ajo's upcoming QoS work will be a very natural candidate for RBAC as well | 20:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Revise functional test hooks https://review.openstack.org/168115 | 20:40 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: like for who gets to use certain queues? | 20:40 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I don't know how they're planning on modeling that yet but I can imagine admins setting up different QoS objects with different properties, then sharing that with specific tenants | 20:41 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: gold qos, silver qos, etc... | 20:41 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: right. well i'll keep it in mind but i won't mention qos in the initial spec to keep them decoupled | 20:41 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: yep, just giving you a heads up | 20:42 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: thx | 20:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Fix Python client library for Neutron https://review.openstack.org/172646 | 20:49 |
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| matrohon | amuller, kevinbenton : FYI, we mentioned RBAC during today's Qos meeting | 20:53 |
| amuller | matrohon: did you guys start thinking about what models will QoS be composed of? | 20:53 |
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| amuller | matrohon: or sorry, what API level objects? | 20:53 |
| pc_m | marun: hi | 20:54 |
| matrohon | amuller : we spoke about a cloud admin API first, and ajo wanted to have 1:n relationship between qos policy and qos rules | 20:55 |
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| amuller | matrohon: and the plan is for policies to use RBAC so that admins could share them with specific tenants? | 20:56 |
| matrohon | amuller : yep | 20:57 |
| amuller | matrohon: it sounds like QoS really requires RBAC | 20:57 |
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| ijw | Problem is that some QoS things do, some don't | 20:58 |
| matrohon | amuller : for a first version, we can have cloud admin operation first, with cloud admin tagging what king of port/network will be impacted by the qos policy | 20:58 |
| ijw | And more accurately QoS involves flavors, cos you'd expect to charge for different QoS | 20:58 |
| marun | pc_m: hi | 20:59 |
| ijw | I think if you had an admin-visible/all-visible you'd probably have a reasonable compromise for v1 | 20:59 |
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| pc_m | marun: Have you learned anything more on changing discovery of modules for functional tests? In the VPN repo, I tried something that was discussed last week. It ran, and found the common module, but not the job specific modules in a sibling directory (I don't have any modules in parent dir). | 20:59 |
| marun | pc_m: I know how to do it, I just haven't had the tiem | 21:00 |
| matrohon | ijw, amuller : we'd like to avoid the flavors burden for a v1 | 21:00 |
| marun | pc_m: you've tried using unittest2? | 21:00 |
| pc_m | marun: Wondering if I should pursue that path more, or go back to the old way and use unitest2 | 21:00 |
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| pc_m | unittest | 21:00 |
| pc_m | marun: No, I haven't. | 21:00 |
| amuller | matrohon: I think the solution doesn't have to be comprehensive, as long its useful, and you can expand on it without breaking API compatability ideally | 21:01 |
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| marun | pc_m: I thought I made it clear on the review as to what the path forward is. | 21:01 |
| ijw | matrohon: you're not selling me on there being a burden-free solution with forward compatibility | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Russell Bryant proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: Add --binding-profile to port-create https://review.openstack.org/174098 | 21:01 |
| marun | pc_m: we have to use the existing method of specifying a single discovery path and manually discovering things in package init | 21:01 |
| pc_m | marun: On your review? I haven't checked it in a while and was on vacation for several days. | 21:02 |
| marun | pc_m: unittest is broken, but unittest2 should work. | 21:02 |
| marun | pc_m: My last comment was on apr 9 | 21:02 |
| ijw | And a cloud admin one is interesting, but a common use case is that you want a max bandwidth on all ports unless overridden (i.e. a default flavor) | 21:02 |
| pc_m | marun: OK. I remember the discussion on IRC. I'll give it a shot in VPN land. | 21:02 |
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| pc_m | marun: THanks | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Repropose pecan-switch for Liberty https://review.openstack.org/172052 | 21:17 |
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| pc_m | marun: In the __init__.py files, should we be changing top_level_dir to something other than "."? I vaguely recall some discussion on that. | 21:25 |
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| marun | pc_m: I'm not sure | 21:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-vpnaas: VPNaaS: Refactor functional tests to use discover https://review.openstack.org/172142 | 21:54 |
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| kevinbenton | ijw, Sukhdev: there have been murmurs of beer! | 21:55 |
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| ijw | kevinbenton: Friday? | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: no, I think today is Wednesday | 21:59 |
| ijw | I'm not allowed to drink on Wednesdays | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: :) | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | ijw: friday sounds good | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | armax: are you coming? | 22:00 |
| armax | kevinbenton: when/where? | 22:00 |
| ijw | Friday | 22:00 |
| ijw | In a place that sells beer | 22:00 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton ijw: I am in guys | 22:00 |
| ijw | beeeeeeer | 22:00 |
| * mestery will have plenty of his own beer here in MN | 22:01 | |
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| armax | name a time and a place, and I’ll see if I’ll try to make it | 22:01 |
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| kevinbenton | ack | 22:01 |
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| ijw | Where yuo need it to forget about being in MN | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | marun: ^^ if you are down in the south bay on friday | 22:02 |
| marun | kevinbenton: ack | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | i like http://www.yelp.com/biz/bierhaus-mountain-view | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | but if we go there, we need to start at like 5:00-5:30 if we want any chance of getting a seat | 22:03 |
| ijw | That actually works for me, it's at the end of the light rail | 22:03 |
| ijw | Though given the speed of the light rail 5pm doesn't | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | ijw: you would have to leave at noon to get to mountain view by 5 on the lightrail :) | 22:04 |
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| ijw | Last time I was over there I accidentally cycled home | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | ijw: how does one accidentally cycle? | 22:07 |
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| ijw | The light rail was going to arrive in the best part of half an hour, so I started cycling and then just didn't stop till I got home (when the plan was to hop on the light rail when it came past) | 22:07 |
| ijw | 12 miles, which is a bit insane | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery, armax: ^^ had to re-upload. stupid pep8 errors :( | 23:07 |
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