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| yasu_ | Hi guys, I'd like to create routing vm and apply a workaround mentioned in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM/neutron-port-attributes | 03:53 |
| yasu_ | Do you have any manual which shows steps to disable security groups. | 03:53 |
| yasu_ | ? | 03:54 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: ping | 04:36 |
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| madhuri | Hi | 04:44 |
| madhuri | I am facing issue while using horizon | 04:44 |
| madhuri | http://imgur.com/1i22Cu9 | 04:47 |
| madhuri | Above is the error page which I am getting | 04:47 |
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| madhuri | I have restarted neutron-server, still getting the same problem | 04:48 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: ack | 05:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Robert Kukura proposed openstack/neutron: ML2: Hierarchical port binding https://review.openstack.org/116209 | 05:25 |
| trinaths | dougwig: Hi, any idea on when can the services split be completed. | 05:25 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: Hope you have an uneventful trip back | 05:26 |
| pc_m | dougwig: I had a question, but ended up moving forward anyway. Hopefully it was OK. | 05:27 |
| pc_m | dougwig: I tried to commit the VPNaaS repo changes for L3 refactoring. It complained that I had a conflict. | 05:28 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: do you have a specific question? it's mostly functional now. | 05:29 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: Appears that the file neutron_vpnaas.egg-info/PKG-INFO was removed on master. So I git rm'ed it and then pushed for review. | 05:29 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: all is happy now? | 05:29 |
| dougwig | pc_m: yes, uneventful drive, though I expect I was more tired than I should've been for it. | 05:30 |
| pc_m | dougwig: git review worked so I guess OK. | 05:30 |
| pc_m | dougwig: pretty heavy session today. | 05:30 |
| dougwig | haha, i'll check the review. | 05:30 |
| dougwig | good. | 05:30 |
| pc_m | dougwig: Also, with both the VPN and FW reviews, they reference the base class AdvancedService in advanced_service.py, which is in the Neutron repo, but only in my changeset. | 05:31 |
| pc_m | Guess we need to get that commit upstreamed promptly. | 05:31 |
| dougwig | yes, i think pep8 will fail until that class exists in neutron | 05:31 |
| pc_m | dougwig: yeah it is. | 05:31 |
| pc_m | dougwig: will need to get Carl and other cores to push that commit through. We can always continue refining it with another commit. | 05:32 |
| pc_m | need those base files in. | 05:32 |
| pc_m | dougwig: BTW, when I pushed the FW and VPN changes, I put the tests in tests.skip dir. | 05:33 |
| dougwig | ok. i expect those tests to get enabled tomorrow. sridar was working on fwaas tonight. so whichever of you hits first will have a rebase. :) | 05:33 |
| dougwig | devstack can pull in commits from different repos together, to make a sane testing environment, if you don't have that already | 05:34 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: no, I haven't played with devstack yet. Is it updated already? | 05:35 |
| dougwig | yes | 05:35 |
| pc_m | dougwig: awesome! | 05:35 |
| pc_m | dougwig: Will put that on my list for Friday, when I can work on this more. | 05:36 |
| pc_m | dougwig: When you say 'tests enabled' do you mean that the tests will be moved from tests.skip to tests? | 05:36 |
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| dougwig | yes. | 05:37 |
| dougwig | and be passing. | 05:37 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: OK. Will have to talk to you, when it gets to be that time for my commits to update. Will need to see how to best adapt the change set (new files will be easy). | 05:39 |
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| dougwig | ok | 05:40 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: yes, I have my spec on hold for the split to happen, so How to proceed on changes for fwaas. Also, do the CI need to be upgraded for these changes ? | 05:54 |
| trinaths | dougwig: In my CI, I get failures due to lbass, fwaas and vpnaas relocation. Can there be a fix for the same now. | 05:57 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: i'd suggest pausing your CI while we work through the issues | 06:08 |
| dougwig | trinaths: what spec do you have on hold? | 06:08 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126187/ | 06:20 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: that doesn't need to wait for coding to be done. push a new version that specifies the driver will be in the neutron-fwaas repo. | 06:22 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: means, a new commit for git, specify in the neutron-fwaas repo. Then, when I clone neutron, will I get services too? | 06:24 |
| dougwig | firewall is no longer in neutron, it's in neutron-fwaas. but your review is a spec, and all specs are still in neutron-specs. kyle's point was that your driver is for the new fwaas project, so mention that and re-submit your spec. | 06:24 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: new fwaas project ? I' confused here. can you clarify "project" here. | 06:26 |
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| SamYaple | Hey guys. For those using Openvswitch, do you typically use your packagers version, or do you install newer version (2.1.0+)? | 06:26 |
| dougwig | the split created four projects under the networking program: neutron, neutron-lbaas, neutron-fwaas, neutron-vpnaas. they have overlap, they are governed by a central PTL and specs team, but otherwise diverge. | 06:26 |
| trinaths | dougwig: okay. So my code submission will be on branch neutron-fwaas. correct ? | 06:28 |
| dougwig | not branch, in the neutron-fwaas repository, yes. | 06:28 |
| trinaths | dougwig: okay. For CI, do we need to check out these repositories too and merge them and run the tests | 06:29 |
| trinaths | dougwig: ? | 06:30 |
| dougwig | yes. but if your CI uses devstack-gate, it'll happen automatically. | 06:30 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: okay. Then how to handle if its not devstack-gate | 06:31 |
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| teju | Hi all. Namespaces are created as soon as networks,subnets,routers,etc are created. But, why aren't they deleted when networks,subnets,router,etc are deleted? | 06:42 |
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| SamYaple | teju: there is a ns-cleanup tool that goes through and removes them | 06:46 |
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| teju | SamYaple : how to run the tool? | 06:48 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: i'll send an email to the ML about that tomorrow. please ping me if I forget. | 06:49 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: you should ping sumit tomorrow to take a look at your fwaas spec. | 06:49 |
| SamYaple | teju: the tool is neutron-netns-cleanup, you should be able to point it at your configs and run it | 06:50 |
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| SamYaple | you may also have a service | 06:50 |
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| teju | SamYaple : service neutron-netns-cleanup status - neutron-netns-cleanup: unrecognized service | 06:50 |
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| trinaths | dougwig: how to merge these services into neutron for running the tempest tests ? | 07:17 |
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| dougwig | trinaths: install all four repos, and in neutron.conf, adjust the driver paths to point into the respective service repo. | 07:22 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | dougwig, Hi! Do I understand correctly the problem with test_migration: we have some tables that don't have any models (http://pastebin.com/x3M3T9Kk) in neutron and these tables are not going to be removed from neutron? | 07:42 |
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| dougwig | akamyshnikova_: correct. They moved to the new repos, but will continue using the neutron db. | 07:44 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | dougwig, ok, thanks! I will provide fix for that a bit later today. Just decide how it is better to do that :) | 07:48 |
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| dougwig | Awesome, you rock. Thank you. :) | 07:48 |
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| lukasa | Does anyone have a good resource for reading up on the neutron scheduler's approach to HA? In particular, I want to work out what happens with, for example, port creation from the perspective of my ML2 driver. | 09:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements ProcessMonitor in the dhcp_agent https://review.openstack.org/115935 | 09:39 |
| akamyshnikova_ | dougwig, Another question. What is a plan about this https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/vmware/dbexts/vcns_models.py#L49 ? | 09:40 |
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| vinbs | Hello folks, | 09:45 |
| vinbs | I'm running into this error: neutron-rootwrap: Unauthorized command: ip netns exec qdhcp-67ab4df1-7abe-4554-a4c2-2bf126187689 dhcp_release tap37021709-bd 30.0.0.9 fa:16:3e:0c:fd:bd (no filter matched) | 09:45 |
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| vinbs | Could someone point me to what I'm doing wrong | 09:45 |
| vinbs | I see this error in the dhcp-agent.log when I launch an instance | 09:46 |
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| vinbs | I'm running an all-in-one openstack setup and each service has been installed using the tarball from launchpad | 09:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | P. Watsalya Mishra proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: "neutron help router-update" help info updated https://review.openstack.org/141006 | 10:37 |
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| ajo | NSX gate checks failing: http://208.91.1.172/logs/neutron/115935/24/411049-large-ops/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz#_2014-12-11_02_30_51_986 | 10:49 |
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| Ram_ | I have setup 3 node RHEL based openstack setup with neutron network, however I am not able to ping instances created, any help? | 11:28 |
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| blinky_ghost | Hi all, can anybody explain me the difference between DVR and HA in Juno, and what's the best option in terms of redundancy/performance? | 11:33 |
| amuller | blinky_ghost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go4fOYOUkmE&list=PLzEh1lsvQomPYewTOg-HJZPpbcAsBwKbg | 11:34 |
| blinky_ghost | amuller: thanks I'll check it out | 11:37 |
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| Ram_ | I have setup 3 node RHEL based openstack juno setup with neutron network, however I am not able to ping instances created, any help? | 11:40 |
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| apuimedo | amuller: cool, I'll watch it later ;-) | 11:41 |
| amuller | apuimedo: !!! | 11:42 |
| amuller | apuimedo: Toni :) | 11:42 |
| apuimedo | amuller: :-) | 11:42 |
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| SamYaple | for l3ha is there a way to force the vips to fail to a different l3 agent? | 11:46 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: Right now we let keepalived decide, so it's random and you can't influence it | 11:48 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: If you want to induce a failover 'artifically' you can go in the namespace of the HA router and set the HA device to down | 11:49 |
| amuller | pretty easy to script that for all of the HA routers on the machine | 11:49 |
| SamYaple | amuller: thanks for the info. Will that make the vips pop up on the other nodes immediately, or is it still going to take ~30 seconds? | 11:50 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: it should take 8~ seconds | 11:58 |
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| SamYaple | hmmm there must be something wrong with my environemnt then. It is taking upwards of 90 seconds to fail with I mark the ha interface down amuller | 12:00 |
| SamYaple | the vips drop immediatly | 12:00 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: That's interesting | 12:02 |
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| SamYaple | I am rekicking and redeploying. I have been messing with this environment for a while. I will test again in ~15min when it comes back up | 12:04 |
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| irenab | baoli: ping | 12:23 |
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| baoli | irenab: Hi | 12:23 |
| irenab | baoli: can you please take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138753/ | 12:24 |
| irenab | baoli: I want to be sure we are aligned before going away for a weekend | 12:24 |
| baoli | irenab, sure, I'll take a look at it this morning | 12:25 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 12:25 |
| baoli | irenab, np | 12:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed openstack/neutron: Implements the ProcessMonitor in the l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/114931 | 12:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marios Andreou proposed openstack/neutron: Adds basic in-tree functional testing of the dhcp agent (OVS) https://review.openstack.org/136834 | 12:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/neutron: Allow security group rules to be specified in both directions https://review.openstack.org/140676 | 12:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow IptablesManager to manage mangle table https://review.openstack.org/135203 | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow to request metadata proxy only with redirection https://review.openstack.org/133484 | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Allow to request metadata proxy only from internal interfaces https://review.openstack.org/133506 | 12:59 |
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| jaypipes | ihrachyshka: "split from u/s code base, not random repositories" <-- what does the u/s stand for there? | 13:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | jaypipes: upstream. sorry, that's a downstream dialect I should refrain from in... u/s :) | 13:03 |
| ihrachyshka | we have u/s and d/s | 13:03 |
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| jaypipes | ihrachyshka: what does it stand for? | 13:04 |
| jaypipes | ihrachyshka: OH... | 13:04 |
| jaypipes | ihrachyshka: I see, sorry! | 13:05 |
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| ihrachyshka | jaypipes: well, sorry that I used that 'term' | 13:05 |
| jaypipes | ihrachyshka: no worries, makes sense now :) thx! | 13:06 |
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| SamYaple | amuller: without any traffic on the neutron network it takes minutes to fail the vip over. With traffic it takes ~15 seconds. Do you know why that could be? | 13:31 |
| amuller | SamYaple: Weird I'm actually playing around exactly with this and if I go to the master and bring down its HA device it takes seconds to fail over | 13:32 |
| amuller | without traffic | 13:32 |
| amuller | the router is not connected to any networks | 13:32 |
| amuller | what keepalived version are you using? | 13:32 |
| SamYaple | 1.2.7 | 13:32 |
| SamYaple | ubuntu repos | 13:32 |
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| amuller | I'm on 1.2.13 on Fedora 20 | 13:33 |
| SamYaple | I should mention these are VMs, not bare-metal. | 13:33 |
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| amuller | might have something to do, I mean, the amount of time for failover is dependent on keepalived, not Neutron | 13:33 |
| amuller | I'm running Fedora 20 VMs as well | 13:33 |
| SamYaple | strange. im going to start tcpdumping to see if anything is up with the vrrp traffic | 13:34 |
| SamYaple | then I guess strace after that | 13:34 |
| amuller | SamYaple: How long does it take for messages to arrive in syslog? | 13:34 |
| amuller | keepalived logs state transitions to syslog | 13:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Change transaction isolation so retry logic could work properly https://review.openstack.org/129288 | 13:35 |
| enikanorov_ | russellb: hi. may i try to push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140493/ rebased on top of 129288? | 13:36 |
| SamYaple | I have networking woes apparently. vips are in 2 of 3 namespaces right now. ill track it down | 13:36 |
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| amuller | enikanorov_: I see you set it for the entire project, I think it'd be worthwhile to recheck a few times with and without API workers? | 13:37 |
| amuller | enikanorov_: the commit message is not updated btw* | 13:38 |
| enikanorov_ | amuller: that was already done long ago in our environment via rally tests | 13:38 |
| amuller | ahh ok I have no way of knowing =D | 13:38 |
| amuller | changing it for all sessions makes a lot more sense to me btw | 13:39 |
| enikanorov_ | amuller: ok. thanks for noticing commit msg | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Change transaction isolation so retry logic could work properly https://review.openstack.org/129288 | 13:40 |
| amuller | if you feel like it, you could share results from your internal testing in the commit message? | 13:40 |
| SamYaple | hmm amuller Should all keepalived.confs have "virtual_router_id 1"? | 13:41 |
| SamYaple | I was under the impression those should be different | 13:41 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: they should be the same for the same router ID | 13:42 |
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| SamYaple | ok | 13:43 |
| amuller | that's how you form a cluster | 13:43 |
| SamYaple | In syslog I see two nodes both "VRRP_Instance(VR_1) Entering MASTER STATE" | 13:43 |
| amuller | SamYaple: so they don't see the VRRP messages of one another | 13:43 |
| amuller | iptables on the network nodes, or something in the network between the nodes | 13:44 |
| SamYaple | yea im setting up tcpdumps now | 13:44 |
| amuller | VRRP is blocked by default on my VMs for example | 13:44 |
| SamYaple | i am not aware of anything in libvirt networks blocking traffic by default | 13:44 |
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| amuller | iptables | 13:45 |
| amuller | on my systems anyway | 13:45 |
| SamYaple | these are vanilla ubuntu. iptables is empty (save the openstack stuff) | 13:45 |
| enikanorov_ | amuller: basically our testing involved running this one https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/neutron/network.py in HA environment where multiple workers were configured for neutron on each node | 13:46 |
| amuller | SamYaple: you don't have a default drop any rule? | 13:46 |
| amuller | in Fedora it's a white list | 13:47 |
| SamYaple | amuller: welcome to Ubuntu | 13:47 |
| enikanorov_ | i don't think it makes sense to provide detailed description of the tests as the problem is now clearly understood | 13:47 |
| amuller | enikanorov_: Just stating what test you ran with what configuration | 13:47 |
| amuller | people like me don't know you've already tested this | 13:47 |
| amuller | so you'll get people asking the same question... | 13:47 |
| enikanorov_ | well, that's why the best proof could be to demonstrate it with a patch that changes workers | 13:48 |
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| amuller | fair point | 13:48 |
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| SamYaple | amuller: I can see the vrrp multicast traffic on the ha interface on other nodes, but it still split brains | 14:01 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: What do you see in your syslog? | 14:02 |
| SamYaple | two of the nodes eter master state. nothing else | 14:03 |
| SamYaple | will post | 14:03 |
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| SamYaple | http://paste.openstack.org/show/149360/ | 14:04 |
| SamYaple | it seems like my infra02 grabed the ips first, then infra01 lost its mind and grabbed master? | 14:05 |
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| SamYaple | I see infra01 multicast on infra02 and infra03. I see infra02 multicast on infra01 only | 14:06 |
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| SamYaple | amuller: the HA traffic flows through OVS in my case. What version of OVS are you using? | 14:36 |
| amuller | SamYaple: openvswitch-2.3.0-3.git20141107.fc20.x86_64 | 14:37 |
| SamYaple | yea im on the crappy packaged one. 2.0.2 | 14:37 |
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| amuller | I doubt that's the issue | 14:37 |
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| amuller | I would try getting a more up to date version of keepalived | 14:38 |
| amuller | see if it still reproduces | 14:38 |
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| SamYaple | Since I can't reliably see vrrp traffic, I dont think keepalived is the issue | 14:38 |
| amuller | ohh | 14:38 |
| amuller | are all of the VMs running on the same hypervisor? | 14:38 |
| SamYaple | They are. | 14:38 |
| amuller | so that rules out network firewalls and whatnot | 14:39 |
| amuller | do you see the VRRP traffic on the hypervisor? | 14:39 |
| amuller | on the tap devices of the VMs? | 14:39 |
| SamYaple | no because its in the tunnel | 14:39 |
| amuller | right | 14:39 |
| amuller | I think wireshark can see inside VXLAN/GRE | 14:39 |
| amuller | don't remember | 14:39 |
| SamYaple | I think tcpdump can too. im going to look up the options | 14:39 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: Does this happen 100% of the time? For example if you create another HA router? | 14:43 |
| amuller | SamYaple: Also, can you get the current HA router to get out of split brain? Set one of the masters to fault and back? | 14:43 |
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| SamYaple | It seems random, but all my routers have had issues. Once a split brain occurs it will always happen | 14:44 |
| SamYaple | One node is typically the culrpit (can't see other nodes vrrp) | 14:44 |
| amuller | SamYaple: Are you 100% sure networking in general is working? If you create VMs on all nodes, can they all ping each other? | 14:46 |
| SamYaple | lol yea. I am sure amuller. This is pretty vanilla. besides I can run keepalived outside of a namespace (outside of OVS) without any issue | 14:47 |
| amuller | just checking :) | 14:48 |
| SamYaple | always good to check the basics | 14:48 |
| amuller | newer versions of keepalived and OVS might do the trick | 14:48 |
| SamYaple | Im blaming OVS. it has problems. I can't even do l2pop | 14:48 |
| SamYaple | ive been meaning to package 2.3.1 just haven't gotten around to it | 14:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/python-neutronclient: subnet: allow --enable-dhcp=False/True syntax, again https://review.openstack.org/141063 | 14:51 |
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| amuller | ihrachyshka: You can practically hear the frustration in the commit message | 14:52 |
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| SamYaple | :) | 14:52 |
| ihrachyshka | amuller: :))) | 14:52 |
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| busterswt | Does anyone know if per-subnet/network dns search domain functionality has been implemented in Juno or beyond? | 15:12 |
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| ZZelle_ | busterswt, if i understand correctly the question, it's no | 15:24 |
| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed openstack/neutron: Set default of api_workers to number of CPUs https://review.openstack.org/140493 | 15:25 |
| busterswt | ZZelle_: thanks. i see abandoned blueprints, but wasn't sure if i had missed something | 15:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Robin Wang proposed openstack/neutron: OVS-Agent crashes when OVS dead https://review.openstack.org/136991 | 15:31 |
| mestery | Morning Neutron folks! I've stumbled back in and I'm slowly catching up from travel back home yesterday. :) | 15:31 |
| mestery | Thanks again to all for a great sprint! | 15:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/neutron: Remove broad exception catch from periodic_sync_routers_task https://review.openstack.org/131510 | 15:37 |
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| ZZelle_ | ihrachyshka, ^^ lol | 15:40 |
| ihrachyshka | ZZelle_: do you also like the commit title? I should produce more of those :) | 15:40 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: hey! the client regression fix ^^ | 15:40 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: You rock man, thanks! Looking now. | 15:41 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140191/, have some questions for you | 15:46 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Regarding importing history, we could do it, but honestly, the split means what would we import? We don't import the full driver, we split it and start fresh. | 15:47 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: So I don't understand what history there would be. | 15:47 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: The existing driver stays in-tree and is thinned, with the backend logic ending out of tree. | 15:47 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: I've commented in the review itself, please reply there. | 15:48 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: but you base on smth, you don't start from scratch. I guess you just import neutron in the repo, then cut it majorly to leave the needed pieces only, and commit. in that way, the plugin history will stay there. | 15:49 |
| ihrachyshka | ok | 15:49 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: No, I don't agree. | 15:49 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: If we import it into this repo, we have the history in two places. | 15:49 |
| mestery | It doesn't make any sense at all | 15:49 |
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| mestery | The original file has the history in the neutron tree | 15:49 |
| mestery | We're starting fresh here, we're NOT importing something | 15:49 |
| mestery | Why would we want double history? | 15:49 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: the same reason why we import history when graduating oslo libraries | 15:50 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, we already have | 15:50 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: f.e. where does odldrivers/ml2/mech_driver.py come from? | 15:50 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, neutron and services contain overlapping git history | 15:50 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I wrote it from scratch, I took some methods from the old class but I don't want that history here, I want it in neutron. | 15:50 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: That's by design, infra did that for us. | 15:50 |
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| mestery | ZZelle_: And I don't like that personally | 15:51 |
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| mestery | But that's just me I guess | 15:51 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, i would say the opposite because it avoids to loose some history and fails to understand we did some tricky thing | 15:51 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: that's not from scratch. it's a modified version of neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/mechanism_odl.py I guess | 15:51 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka ZZelle_: I see your point, I'm just not agreeing with it :) | 15:52 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: also, having it done with history retained would give others a look at how the adoption looks like | 15:52 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka ZZelle_: However, I'm not saying I'm right, so let me reevaluate this :) | 15:52 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Valid point for sure. | 15:52 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: all in all, the history to be retained is mentioned in the spec, I don't see why you want to avoid this requirement | 15:53 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Fair point as well. :) | 15:53 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I'll rework this, though now I won't have much time since hte mid-cycle is done and I'm back to PTL yak shaving ;) | 15:53 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: The client change looks good, it's ugly as your commit message says, thanks for cleaning that up. | 15:55 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Once we land that one, I think I'll cut 2.3.10 with this fix in it. | 15:55 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: thanks a lot. yeah, my eyes bleed because of my own patch | 15:56 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: lol :) | 15:56 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Your commit message was very awesome there, same for comments in code, thanks for that! | 15:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed openstack/neutron: l2population_rpc: Make fdb_add_tun/fdb_remove_tun more flexible https://review.openstack.org/130676 | 16:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed openstack/neutron: Have L3 agent catch the correct exception https://review.openstack.org/140507 | 16:02 |
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| yamamoto_ | mestery: ping | 16:02 |
| mestery | yamamoto_: pong | 16:02 |
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| yamamoto_ | mestery: is networking-odl stackforge project has the corresponding launchpad project? | 16:02 |
| mestery | yamamoto_: No, there is nothing there yet, but that's a good point, I should create one. :) | 16:03 |
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| yamamoto_ | is there recommended naming convention for that? | 16:04 |
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| amotoki | mestery: yamamoto_: I think it would be nice if third party plugin/driver repos on stackforge have similar prefix. networking-* ? neutron-* ? | 16:04 |
| mestery | Please don't use neutron, instead use networking | 16:05 |
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| mestery | amotoki yamamoto_ : ^^^ | 16:05 |
| yamamoto_ | same for launchpad? | 16:05 |
| mestery | yamamoto_: Yes | 16:05 |
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| amotoki | mestery: agree. we already see some repos for neutron plugins/drivers in stackforge. | 16:06 |
| mestery | amotoki: Maybe they predate this proposal for decomposition? We should stick with networking for new ones I guess. | 16:06 |
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| amotoki | yeah. some common prefix makes us find easy related repositories :-) | 16:07 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery++ | 16:09 |
| mestery | amotoki: ++ | 16:09 |
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| yamamoto_ | how about using launchpad project group? | 16:12 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Can you point me to the wiki or tools for oslo for importing things into the new repo? I'll search, but if you ahve it handy ;) | 16:12 |
| mestery | yamamoto_: What is that exactly? | 16:12 |
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| * mestery goes afk for a bit, will be back and read backscroll | 16:12 | |
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| amotoki | mestery: I think they used "git subtree" command which allows us to extract git commits of a sub-tree. | 16:13 |
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| yamamoto_ | mestery: push "Edit details" on launchpad project page and see "Part of" | 16:13 |
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| yamamoto_ | firefox belongs mozilla etc. | 16:14 |
| HenryG | dougwig just did the history preservation for the services repos so the steps should be fresh in his mind | 16:15 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: did you make any notes? :) | 16:15 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: yep, one sec. | 16:19 |
| * HenryG is impressed that dougwig found time to take notes | 16:20 | |
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| dougwig | https://github.com/dougwig/split-repo/blob/master/service-split.sh | 16:20 |
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| dougwig | and everything used for the split is here: https://github.com/dougwig/split-repo | 16:21 |
| dougwig | HenryG: well, if by notes, you mean the scripts used to make it all happen, then yes. :) | 16:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/140944 | 16:22 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: the best kind of notes. Thanks! | 16:23 |
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| dougwig | each service repo also has a "get test passing" patch in gerrit that fixes up much of what I forgot to put in the script. | 16:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add subunit.log to functional test runs https://review.openstack.org/140851 | 16:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | jun xie proposed openstack/neutron: Not nova but neutron https://review.openstack.org/141091 | 16:31 |
| yeungp | Hi all. In the recent commit "6bee8592b1bf661f0b247d804738c7202b37604c Imported Translations from Transifex" The directories, firewall, loadbalancer, vpn, under neutron/tests/unit/db were removed. Is this intentional? | 16:32 |
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| dougwig | yeungp: those directories were removed in the recent services split. but, those translations should likely start being proposed against the service repos. can you file a bug? | 16:36 |
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| yeungp1 | dougwig: Thanks. I will fill a bug. I submitted a patch that modifies neutron/tests/unit/db/loadbalancer/test_db_loadbalancer.py. What should I do with my patch in the mean time? | 16:39 |
| dougwig | re-submit it against the openstack/neutron-lbaas repo, please. | 16:40 |
| ajo_ | rossella_s ping :) | 16:41 |
| ajo_ | where would you split here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115935/ | 16:41 |
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| ajo_ | are you asking for the same as garyk? | 16:41 |
| ajo_ | I could consider that, as you're the 2nd to come and ask.. | 16:41 |
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| ajo_ | but that's just a tiny patch, with little functional value. | 16:42 |
| yeungp1 | dougwig: Thanks | 16:42 |
| ajo_ | (I mean, we cleanup code, but we are not adding any new feature or fixing any bug) | 16:42 |
| ajo_ | dropping LOCs is always nice, btw ;) | 16:42 |
| ajo_ | that's mostly in the neutron/agent/linux/external_process.py (3-4 lines), and the neutron/agent/linux/utils.py | 16:43 |
| ajo_ | If you're talking about splitting the changes on ProcessMonitor vs usage in the dhcp_agent, I'd avoid that, | 16:43 |
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| ajo_ | I kept that together for a reason: The changes introduced on the ProcessMonitor are necessary only because of the dhcp-agent, and that it's handling pid files in a different place. | 16:44 |
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| ajo_ | and I think it's better understood as a patch (add needed features + use needed features) | 16:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: ping | 16:53 |
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| dougwig | armax: ack | 16:54 |
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| jschwarz | armax, ping | 17:04 |
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| rossella_s | ajo: pong | 17:09 |
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| rossella_s | ajo: true the tiny patch would have no value but it's just to make the actual changes more visible. | 17:10 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, could you remove your -2 (linked to service split) on https://review.openstack.org/136840 ? | 17:11 |
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| rossella_s | ajo: I am not talking about splitting the changes on ProcessMonitor vs usage in the dhcp_agent. Just a preparatory patch with all the cleanups. | 17:12 |
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| dougwig | akamyshnikova: i didn't have a good plan yet; either replace the foreign key link with a method that did a manual query, or cheat and disable the strict foreign key checking that neutron-server is doing at startup for a short time. | 17:12 |
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| rossella_s | ajo: for example you create the method _output_config_files, that would go in the preparatory patch. There are other similar changes which are only a refactor, I'd just move them in another patch so it's easier to review. | 17:13 |
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| rossella_s | ajo: anyway as I said in the comment, do as you prefer. I hate managing depending patches but they help sometimes. The best would be if you create the clean up patch and you get that merged quickly so you don't have to bother too long with managing the dependencies. | 17:16 |
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| mestery | ZZelle_: Will look yes | 17:19 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, thanks | 17:21 |
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| jschwarz | armax, will appreciate if you could have another look at my spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128257/) - Salvatore already +2'd it so it needs just one more (hopefully before monday :) ) | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-fwaas: Move classes out of l3_agent.py https://review.openstack.org/140797 | 17:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Move classes out of l3_agent.py https://review.openstack.org/140798 | 17:35 |
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| mestery | armax dougwig: ping | 17:39 |
| mestery | Lets coordinate services work here. | 17:39 |
| armax | mestery: here | 17:39 |
| mestery | These all merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I3529fe4146c50c940f41eb26d0b5efc5870b3af9,n,z | 17:39 |
| mestery | So, we're good for L3 changes now. | 17:39 |
| mestery | dougwig: What is your etherpad coordinating work so armax has it? | 17:40 |
| dougwig | ack | 17:40 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/services_split | 17:40 |
| mestery | thanks | 17:40 |
| mestery | So, we need the devstack-gate change from mtreinish to merge as well, that's the next step. | 17:41 |
| mestery | And then next, looks like lots of tempest work on that page | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Kolesnik proposed openstack/neutron: Extract l2pop/DVR controller logic to common method https://review.openstack.org/141112 | 17:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Kolesnik proposed openstack/neutron: Refactor common l2pop DB code into single method https://review.openstack.org/141113 | 17:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Kolesnik proposed openstack/neutron: Treat HA routers differently with l2pop https://review.openstack.org/141114 | 17:42 |
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| armax | mestery: do we have changes to infra to enable tempest tests to the *aas services? | 17:44 |
| armax | mestery, dougwig: I can work on that | 17:44 |
| dougwig | the first review in the etherpad re-enables them for the neutron tests. next step is to split them into four jobs. salv has some patches to split them into two, but not four. | 17:45 |
| armax | dougwig, mestery: or is the intention to wait until tests move to their respective repos? | 17:46 |
| dougwig | i was going to wait, but it looks like matt from qa wants to enable them asap. | 17:47 |
| armax | dougwig: do you have a link to salv’s patches? I can’t seem to find them | 17:47 |
| dougwig | i do, one sec. | 17:48 |
| dougwig | just added to etherpad, 3rd section | 17:48 |
| mestery | thanks dougwig | 17:49 |
| mestery | armax, thanks for jumping on that one! | 17:49 |
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| armax | dougwig: wow that’s old | 17:49 |
| mestery | lol | 17:50 |
| armax | dougwig: http://review.openstack.org/#/c/114932 is it the one? | 17:50 |
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| armax | dougwig: let me sync up with salv on this one | 17:50 |
| dougwig | that was one. qa linked them to me as examples. | 17:50 |
| dougwig | ok | 17:50 |
| mestery | Cool | 17:50 |
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| armax | dougwig: if it is okay to enable the tempests tests for the *aas services for now, I guess that would be quicker | 17:51 |
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| mestery | armax: ++ | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | armax: it's not that I want to necessarily put the *aas tests back in the gate, but I want to remove the extension list hack from d-g | 18:03 |
| mtreinish | mostly so you guys can start added useful tests for things like dvr and other new extensions | 18:03 |
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| mestery | mtreinish: ++ | 18:04 |
| dougwig | armax and mtreinish ++ | 18:04 |
| dougwig | we can enable them all for neutron, which is quick and in progress, and then as a next step split them and stop gating neutron on the aas's, and then as the service repos get stable this week or next, add back in whichever co-gate's make sense. | 18:05 |
| dougwig | IMO. | 18:05 |
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| mestery | dougwig: That sounds like a good plan to me, honestly the tempest tests for services need some work anyways, now is a good time to flesh them out a bit more. | 18:07 |
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| armax | mestery, dougwig, mtreinish: I think we all agree on the end goal, but just to be sure we’re on the same page, am I correct in understanding that as interim we’ll still keep these tests in tempest? | 18:16 |
| mestery | That's my understanding, yes. | 18:16 |
| mestery | Medium term, we rip them out, but we need some work from dkranz for that, per my discussion with marun this week. | 18:17 |
| dougwig | yes | 18:17 |
| armax | and that we’ll have tempest jobs running for the aas repos for now, until we flesh out how we’re going to move the tests | 18:17 |
| mtreinish | armax: we just need them to verify the migration worked. After https://review.openstack.org/140864 lands I'm fine with deleting them | 18:17 |
| mtreinish | armax: there really isn't a good way to skip just them in the gate yet so until they're removed they'll still run | 18:18 |
| dougwig | i don't think we delete them until we have them moved. that's a little ways out. | 18:18 |
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| armax | mtreinish: right, my understanding would be that changes to the *aas projects will be checked against tempest too, at the moment they only run unit tests | 18:24 |
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| armax | mtreinish: btw it looks like that change you point above may need some l3 agent changes that haven’t landed yet | 18:24 |
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| mtreinish | armax: yes, as long as the tests remain in tempest he new *aas project repos should be running the tempest tests too | 18:25 |
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| mtreinish | armax: that might be, but the check queue on that patch is the only thing which is running with the *aas enabled so it's the only functional validation we can do for the post-split | 18:26 |
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| * mtreinish thinks typing *aas is very tricky | 18:26 | |
| dougwig | mtreinish: i wouldn't object to adding neutron's jobs to the service repos until we get the tests split, if we want to narrow the exposure window further. | 18:26 |
| armax | mtreinish: indeed, I saw it’s been failing because of errors on the l3 agent side | 18:27 |
| armax | I’ll dig a bit more | 18:27 |
| dougwig | mtreinish: try being on one of the *aas teams. the number of times that joke comes up... | 18:27 |
| mtreinish | dougwig: you need it, otherwise you're never actually running the services anywhere | 18:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-vpnaas: Init separate alembic migration chain https://review.openstack.org/140547 | 18:27 |
| dougwig | mtreinish: no question. it's just whether they start running today versus tomorrow or monday. | 18:27 |
| mtreinish | it might be overkill but until the jobs are slimmer you won't be really testing anything | 18:27 |
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| mtreinish | which I think is a bigger harm than running unecessary testing | 18:28 |
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| dougwig | we are in violent agreement. | 18:32 |
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| dougwig | (about to submit patch) | 18:33 |
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| sbfox | Hey neutron devs, is there a migration script from linuxbridge to ml2/linux bridge? and if so can the vm's be kept online? | 18:36 |
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| ihrachyshka | sbfox: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/migration/migrate_to_ml2.py | 18:38 |
| ihrachyshka | that's for db | 18:38 |
| dougwig | mtreinish: temporary fix - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141122/ | 18:38 |
| reed | I'm confused by Salvatore's comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/ | 18:39 |
| reed | mestery, ^ | 18:39 |
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| * mestery looks | 18:39 | |
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| mestery | reed: The Erricson folks posted a new spec rather than re-using the change ID from the old spec. | 18:40 |
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| mestery | salv is just telling folks to comment on the new one, not hte old one | 18:40 |
| mestery | :) | 18:40 |
| sbfox | Thanks ihrachyshka, hope this works or im stuck on icehouse … | 18:40 |
| reed | mestery, right but Mark Mc (and I) told them that the best thing to do is to reuse the old one | 18:40 |
| mestery | They ignored your advice reed ;) | 18:40 |
| mestery | The old one is still targeted agiainst juno | 18:41 |
| mestery | and they posted a new one | 18:41 |
| reed | mestery, not really, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/ | 18:41 |
| mestery | Crap | 18:41 |
| mestery | confusion reigns :) | 18:41 |
| reed | mestery, I told them also to do a git move, they were about to do it and salvatore added his comment | 18:41 |
| mestery | OK, I'll work with salv to remove the -2 and abandon this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140292/ | 18:41 |
| mestery | OK, we'll sort it out | 18:41 |
| mestery | No worries | 18:41 |
| mestery | :) | 18:42 |
| mestery | thanks for reaching out reed! | 18:42 |
| reed | ok, I just wanted to confirm that I wasn't giving bad advice :) | 18:42 |
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| mestery | reed: I abandoned the new one, and posted comments in the old one. | 18:43 |
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| dougwig | mestery, armax - stepping out for lunch | 18:46 |
| mestery | dougwig: Enjoy! | 18:46 |
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| reed | mestery, thanks, saw the comments. I've asked that Vinay and Alin hang out on IRC: we would have solved this rapidly without having to escalate to their manager | 18:48 |
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| mestery | reed: lol, so true ;) | 18:48 |
| reed | there must be a very strict chain of command and control in there | 18:48 |
| mestery | No doubt | 18:49 |
| reed | or just a lack of habit | 18:49 |
| mestery | Yeah, it could be this is all still new to them, they'll get there if that's the case. | 18:49 |
| reed | we should do like Cloudfoundry does, then we'd see | 18:49 |
| mestery | rofl | 18:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridar Kandaswamy proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas: Re-enable UT for neutron-fwaas for services split https://review.openstack.org/141127 | 18:51 |
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| SamYaple | hello reed | 18:54 |
| reed | hi SamYaple | 18:54 |
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| SamYaple | amuller: It was most definetely a problem with the OVS version and/or installation. Threw on v2.3.1 and enabled l2pop and everything seems to be working great! | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juergen Brendel proposed openstack/neutron: Close ARP spoofing vulnerability https://review.openstack.org/141130 | 18:58 |
| amuller | SamYaple: That's interesting, good to hear | 18:58 |
| amuller | SamYaple: Keep in mind that L3 HA and l2pop are currently not compatible though | 18:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add subunit.log to functional test runs https://review.openstack.org/140851 | 18:59 |
| amuller | SamYaple: Because l2pop is not aware of the idea of a Neutron port appearing in multiple places | 18:59 |
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| amuller | SamYaple: So you'd have to work without l2pop for now. A collegue of mine actually pushed a patch today to make L3 HA work with l2pop: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141114/ | 19:00 |
| amuller | SamYaple: But it's very early on, it worked on very basic manual testing | 19:00 |
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| SamYaple | amuller: hmmm I haven't tested it further than seeing the VRRP being successful | 19:01 |
| SamYaple | thanks for the l2pop heads up | 19:01 |
| SamYaple | is it currenlty incompatible with DVR as well? | 19:01 |
| amuller | that's right | 19:01 |
| SamYaple | Good to know | 19:01 |
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| sbfox | hey ihrachyshka, have you run that script before? It's bailing out on no data in the alembic_version table. Im trying to migrate icehouse/linuxbridge to icehouse/ml2/linuxbridge so I can later upgrade to juno | 19:16 |
| ihrachyshka | sbfox: not really. I just know of its existance, so probably won't help much | 19:16 |
| sbfox | understood | 19:16 |
| ihrachyshka | sbfox: though afaik alembic_version table was not created in e.g. havana, and should have been (manually?) created as part of neutron upgrade to icehouse. though I may be wrong. | 19:18 |
| sbfox | This was a fresh install of icehouse | 19:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | sbfox: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1207402 | 19:19 |
| mestery | armax dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/141136 | 19:20 |
| armax | mestery: nice catch1 | 19:20 |
| armax | ! | 19:20 |
| sbfox | Thanks again ihrachyshka! | 19:21 |
| mestery | armax: Yeah, bummed I missed it earlier :( | 19:21 |
| ihrachyshka | sbfox: smth like neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugin.ini stamp havana | 19:22 |
| ihrachyshka | but icehouse I guess | 19:22 |
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| ihrachyshka | and please don't believe me, I just googled that thing and haven't tried it at all ;) | 19:22 |
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| sbfox | hahahaa I have a vm or 2 I can test on :) | 19:23 |
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| mtreinish | dougwig: cool thanks | 19:32 |
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| HenryG | blogan: ^^ thanks. Waiting for jenkins then I will +2 | 19:51 |
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| blogan | HenryG: no, thank you! | 19:52 |
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| sbfox | You pointed me in the right direction ihrachyshka, had to patch every sa.Table with mysql_default_charset='utf8', | 19:58 |
| sbfox | mysql_collate='utf8_unicode_ci', | 19:58 |
| sbfox | mysql_engine='InnoDB', | 19:58 |
| sbfox | Thx! | 19:58 |
| ihrachyshka | sbfox: oh, I guess that's one thing that neutron failed in the past in terms of db - no migration to utf8 (as handled in nova) | 19:59 |
| ihrachyshka | there were more though ;) | 19:59 |
| sbfox | all the db tables had those settings, just the script needed to have them declared at create time even tho they are also the server defaults. weird but fixed | 20:00 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin: hi | 20:26 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: Do you know what's up with the dvr check job? | 20:27 |
| HenryG | Is it broken by the services split? | 20:28 |
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| HenryG | blogan: You got dinged by pep8 :( | 20:37 |
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| blogan | HenryG: noooo, i got lazy and didn't check locally, someone should slap my hand | 20:38 |
| HenryG | blogan: SLAP! | 20:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron: Advanced services support in neutron-db-manage https://review.openstack.org/140537 | 20:41 |
| blogan | HenryG: ^^ no we have to wait another hour bc of my laziness | 20:41 |
| blogan | now | 20:41 |
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| jlk | Hey all, I've a question. In my setup (juno) I've got a subnet that was created, and a DNS server was NOT provided. What is the default behavior when one isn't provided, what does the dhcp agent hand out for a DNS resolver? | 20:45 |
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| * blogan did, but fears something will still go wrong so he continue to looks stupid | 20:45 | |
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| pc_m | carl_baldwin: ping | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed openstack/neutron-specs: Add IPv6 prefix delegation support in Neutron https://review.openstack.org/93054 | 20:52 |
| GonZo2K | need help with multiple floating ip pools | 20:53 |
| GonZo2K | anyone can help me ? | 20:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron: Advanced services support in neutron-db-manage https://review.openstack.org/140537 | 20:54 |
| ZZelle | GonZo2K, hi | 20:55 |
| ZZelle | HenryG, hi | 20:55 |
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| HenryG | ZZelle: hi | 20:55 |
| GonZo2K | hi ZZelle | 20:56 |
| GonZo2K | i would like to know if i can have multiple floating ip polls all on the same bridge interface | 20:56 |
| ZZelle | HenryG, if you have some times could have a look to https://review.openstack.org/140026 and https://review.openstack.org/13988 ? they are the 2 last steps to enforce log hints | 20:57 |
| GonZo2K | my company IT gave me a set of ips that i can use for general usage | 20:57 |
| GonZo2K | and some of those lips are mapped to the outside world | 20:57 |
| ZZelle | GonZo2K, 1sec | 20:58 |
| HenryG | ZZelle: ok. I am about to board a flight, but they do have wifi onboard so hopefully I can look at it from 30,000 ft. :) | 20:59 |
| ZZelle | HenryG, the rj45 cable should be really long :) | 21:00 |
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| GonZo2K | ok ZZelle | 21:02 |
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| ZZelle | GonZo2K, neutron API allows to associate multiple subnets to the same network (even an external network) | 21:04 |
| GonZo2K | ZZelle can have the set of ip that is mapped to external ops just to one tenant ? | 21:04 |
| ZZelle | GonZo2K, you cannot associate a floatingip pool to a specific tenant | 21:05 |
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| ZZelle | GonZo2K, but a tenant can create all floatingip in a pool :) | 21:06 |
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| ZZelle | GonZo2K, perform n times neutron floatingip-create where n is the size of the pool | 21:07 |
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| GonZo2K | ouch | 21:07 |
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| jamielennox | hi all, there are 3 patches for neutronclient tests with at least one +2 starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132211/3 | 21:19 |
| jamielennox | they haven't seen a review for a week or so, can someone either +A or -1 | 21:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed openstack/neutron: Add developer documentation for plugins/drivers contributions https://review.openstack.org/141171 | 21:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed openstack/neutron: Fix for KeyError: 'gw_port_host' on l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/138562 | 21:28 |
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| kevinbenton | look how easy it is to get the port status for all router ports! | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | for i in $(neutron router-list | grep -v name | awk -F '|' '{ print $2 }'); do for p in $(neutron router-port-list $i | grep -v mac_add | awk -F '|' '{ print $2 }'); do neutron port-show $p; done; done | 21:31 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, why not neutron port-list --device-owner router:... ? | 21:34 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle: oh nice, that would eliminate one of the calls | 21:35 |
| prometheanfire | is Terry here? | 21:35 |
| ajo | :) | 21:35 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: is there a way to see the status column | 21:35 |
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| ajo | prometheanfire which terry? | 21:35 |
| kevinbenton | so i don't have to make a call for each port | 21:35 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, why not neutron port-list --device-owner router:... -c status -c id? | 21:35 |
| prometheanfire | ajo: wilson | 21:35 |
| ajo | otherwiseguy <- | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: much better! | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: thanks | 21:36 |
| ajo | prometheanfire, Terry Wilson is otherwiseguy | 21:36 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: hi, I get what you are saying and agree that it would be better to do it there as a one time sanity check, I just have no clue how atm | 21:37 |
| prometheanfire | at least a testing framework is a testing framework | 21:37 |
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| ZZelle | prometheanfire, you should add a link to the review | 21:48 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140839 | 21:48 |
| prometheanfire | I understand what I want to do but have no clue how to do it... | 21:49 |
| prometheanfire | the current vxlan supported function only checks with ovs, which is wrong as well | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: ping | 21:50 |
| ZZelle | prometheanfire, you can look in the neutron/cmd/sanity(_check) | 21:50 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: pong, whats up? | 21:51 |
| prometheanfire | ZZelle: looking there now | 21:51 |
| ZZelle | prometheanfire, they define all sanity checks and are OFFLINE checks ... we not more do runtime checks | 21:51 |
| prometheanfire | I'm thinking that the vxlan stuff should be seperatated from the ovs stuff | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: what's the next step for a patch like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120320/ | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: mark brought up a licensing concern | 21:52 |
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| prometheanfire | ZZelle: when you say offline I think that means it's meant to be run on a system that is not the target system (meaning it may not have vxlan support) | 21:52 |
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| prometheanfire | so the test would fail on that system, but succeed on the target system | 21:52 |
| ZZelle | prometheanfire, no | 21:53 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I'll bring that up at the cross project meeting next week, the question of GPL code, but Mark is right | 21:53 |
| ZZelle | prometheanfire, by offline, it means not during service runtime | 21:53 |
| prometheanfire | ah, that makes more sense | 21:54 |
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| ZZelle | prometheanfire, such tests are defined in neutron/cmd/sanity* | 21:54 |
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| ZZelle | to avoid calling during runtime | 21:55 |
| ZZelle | s/calling/calling them | 21:55 |
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| prometheanfire | right | 21:55 |
| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: I'm now back. | 21:55 |
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| prometheanfire | I wonder if I should add that call to my init scripts | 21:56 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: hi :D | 21:56 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: so is every single library we import so far not GPL? | 21:57 |
| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: also, I wrote a blog post on sanity checks that kind of shows how to write one: http://otherwiseguy.tumblr.com/post/89880974499/neutron-external-sanity-checks | 21:58 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, yes, otherwise neutron becomes GPL | 21:58 |
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| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: it seems to me all I need to do is move 'return os.path.exists('/sys/module/vxlan')' to the vxlan_supported function in checks | 21:58 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: that should help | 21:59 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: is there a reason you are checking both ovs and vxlan in that check? | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: i'm not sure i follow. there is a different between making calls to a library and copying the code, right? | 22:00 |
| prometheanfire | or is it meant to check for vxlan support in ovs (not the kernel)? | 22:00 |
| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: well, generally the sanity checks actually just try to attempt to use a feature as opposed to looking for things that might be side effects. | 22:00 |
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| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: that one was ovs-specific. probably a crappy name for the check. :) | 22:00 |
| otherwiseguy | at least the option name is ovs_vxlan. | 22:00 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, yes but with gpl both have the same effects except if you can prove you don't reallt depend on the library | 22:01 |
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| otherwiseguy | but the function name was a bad choice on my part. | 22:01 |
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| prometheanfire | ok | 22:01 |
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| prometheanfire | there seem to be a bunch of 'supported' checks in neutron/plugins/linuxbridge/agent/linuxbridge_neutron_agent.py | 22:02 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, i mean mysql-python is gpl and neutron uses it | 22:02 |
| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: yeah. It would be nice if all of the check_vxlan_support() stuff could go away. Though the way it sets self.vxlan_mode based on the checks looks problematic. | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: so why is that allowed, because there are alternative SQL drivers that we could use? | 22:03 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, but we (through sqlachemy) only depend on its interface (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249) | 22:03 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: ya | 22:03 |
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| otherwiseguy | actually, they are config-based so it should be doable as sanity checks as well. | 22:04 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, indeed, we depend on the interface (no constraint) more than the implementation (GPL) | 22:04 |
| otherwiseguy | You'd just set the vlxan_mode based on the config options. And define the sanity checks via those config options as well. | 22:04 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: yep | 22:04 |
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| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: I suppose I should convert that blog post (and update it for any changes that have happened since I wrote it) into some developer docs. | 22:07 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: I would be appreciative and could 'test' those docs :P | 22:07 |
| otherwiseguy | :) | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle: strange, what constitutes an interface? | 22:08 |
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| prometheanfire | gonna make a node on the review for what's needed then | 22:08 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, héhé, good question and the response is quite always questionable :) | 22:09 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, for db drivers, the interface is defined in https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249 | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: yeah, obviously for that case it's standardized | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: but even then, if you call an extra function that isn't in that spec, do you violate the GPL? | 22:10 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, not sure, but if many implementations provides it (ie: multiple db drivers) it's fine | 22:12 |
| dougwig | last i checked, runtime loading a gpl module does not attach the gpl. static linking/packaging does. | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: so if someone were to perfectly replicate the pylint class inheritance structure with an implementation that really sucks or is broken, would that work? | 22:13 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle: or does pylint have to explicitly say something is meant to be a public interface | 22:13 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: so depending on a external package that is GPL doesn't count then? | 22:14 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, for the last question i don't know, for the previous question it's questionable | 22:14 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, one way is to implement the extension in a specific project (which becomes GPL) and uses it as a tool | 22:15 |
| prometheanfire | otherwiseguy: is the sanity check code only in kilo? | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: yeah, that's what gus was suggesting | 22:15 |
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| prometheanfire | oh, it's installed on this server | 22:16 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, it's the safer approach to extend a gpl tool without becoming gpl | 22:17 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, but the cost of such dev/management is smaller or bigger than the provided feature | 22:17 |
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| ajo | rossella_s, I will think tomorrow about splitting the patch, | 22:17 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, when i look at the change, we can live without it and use upstream pylint | 22:18 |
| ajo | let's see if I can find a reasonable way to do it :) | 22:18 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle: what do you mean, just not merge the patch? | 22:19 |
| ajo | I don't want to make any changes as separate commits that don't make sense by themselves, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. | 22:19 |
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| ZZelle | kevinbenton, if i understand correctly, the current questions are can we use pylint without becoming GPL? can we extend pylint without becoming GPL? | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | i think using pylint is fine, the main concern is extending pylint | 22:21 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, that's exactly the point, so we should use pylint as it | 22:21 |
| otherwiseguy | prometheanfire: it was in juno as well. | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: but then we can't merge that patch, right? | 22:22 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, yes | 22:22 |
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| ajo | HenryG, baoli http://logs.openstack.org/35/115935/27/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-2/7c2f85b/logs/screen-q-l3.txt.gz#_2014-12-11_20_56_37_390 | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: right, so that kinda sucks | 22:22 |
| ajo | I'm seing errors like this around | 22:22 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, if we merge it in a project, the project shall become GPL. | 22:22 |
| ajo | not sure if related to this : http://logs.openstack.org/35/115935/27/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-2/7c2f85b/console.html#_2014-12-11_21_01_29_788 | 22:23 |
| ajo | it's close in time | 22:23 |
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| ajo | Stderr: 'arping: unknown host 2003::1\n' | 22:23 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: bottom line, GPL is like a virus :) | 22:24 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, so when you look at the advantage of the change compared to the GPL pollution risk ... the answer becomes trivial :) | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: still seems pretty arbitrary to me. it's not like we are modifying their code or copying it | 22:24 |
| baoli | ajo: that's a known issue. | 22:24 |
| ajo | ack baoli , as long as you have it under control, that's ok :) | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: yeah, that's what i'm getting. and nobody is quite sure how it's transmitted :) | 22:25 |
| ajo | baoli, could it be the cause of the gate failure? or it's unrelated? | 22:25 |
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| dougwig | well, it becomes in violation of the GPL. so you either fix the violation or it becomes GPL. | 22:25 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: It's easy: If you include GPL code in a file, that file is by default now GPL licensed | 22:25 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, i am trying to find the slide explaining GPL VS LGPL and so one | 22:25 |
| mestery | That's the nature of the GPL itself. | 22:25 |
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| mestery | Now, if you own the original code, you can dual license it, GPL to some, non-GPL to others. | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: well it's not quite that easy right, because sqlalchemy includes python mysql | 22:25 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: No, it's that easy. | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: so why isn't sqlaclhemy GPL? | 22:26 |
| ajo | ZZelle, if your product is LGPL it can be linked to non-GPL or LGPL closed source | 22:26 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Is sqlalchemy GPL or LGPL? | 22:26 |
| mestery | I don't know the reference well enough :) | 22:26 |
| ajo | if your product/code is GPL, anything you link has to be GPL or a compatible license... | 22:26 |
| ajo | or... it "becomes" | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: what i'm not getting is how putting another project in between would ever help | 22:27 |
| dougwig | mysql is an import. it's not checking in a source file that extends a gpl tool. go ahead and extend the mysql client in neutron and import that, and see how far you get. | 22:27 |
| ajo | what's the licensing problem? | 22:27 |
| mestery | lol | 22:27 |
| ZZelle | ajo, sqlalchemy is MIT | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: so in that case the patch gus proposed could not be put into another project and imported | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: because the new project would have to become GPL | 22:28 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, it depends | 22:28 |
| dougwig | sure, make a public github repo, extend pylint, now import and run that, and it's fine. | 22:28 |
| ajo | MIT is more liberal than GPL if I don't remember wrong | 22:28 |
| mestery | ajo: Right | 22:28 |
| ZZelle | ajo, yes MIT < LGPL ... < GPL | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: that public github repo has to become GPL though, right? | 22:28 |
| dougwig | yes. | 22:28 |
| ajo | BSD < MIT or ~ MIT | 22:29 |
| dougwig | bsd/mit/apache == free people. gpl == free code. gpl3 == jeebus, really? | 22:29 |
| ajo | It's never been clear to me, mestery, do you know, if importing a module is like "linking" a module? | 22:29 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, http://digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/oss-license.png | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | and because we are making function calls on a class that inherits from pylint instead of inheriting from pylint directly, that's somehow legal? | 22:30 |
| ajo | in the end... python modules are open source by nature.. (open at least, but don't have to be "free") | 22:30 |
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| mestery | ajo: I don't think it's been tested in court, but the GPL folks want you to believe it is, yes. | 22:30 |
| dougwig | importing is dynamic linking. the FSF's position on C is that dynamic link does not attach the GPL, static linking does. have they ever issued a position on python? has it ever been tested in court? (i doubt it.) | 22:30 |
| ajo | :-) | 22:30 |
| mestery | In fact, the GPL folks will claim even if you have knowledge of a structure and use it (without linking) you're now GPL | 22:30 |
| ajo | mestery, sounds like patents! ;) | 22:31 |
| mestery | They try to do this for the kernel, or did years back, when people tried to share data structures between kernel and uersspace | 22:31 |
| mestery | ajo: lol | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: extending a class is dynamic | 22:31 |
| dougwig | didn't case law unencumber interfaces/headers already? | 22:31 |
| mestery | dougwig: It may have | 22:31 |
| mestery | My case law knoweldge may be outdated :) | 22:31 |
| ajo | dougwig, do you want me to consult anything with the legal department @ redhat? | 22:32 |
| ajo | they may have experience with that stuff... | 22:32 |
| ajo | I'm not sure I can reach to the right people, but eventually somebody may know ;) | 22:32 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle: that diagram was informative | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle: unfortunately it didn't explain where the boundary of usage vs extension is with python :) | 22:33 |
| dougwig | ultimately, none of this matters until it's tested in court. what's wrong with using a sacrificial intermediate? | 22:33 |
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| ajo | lol | 22:34 |
| ajo | "sacrificial intermediate" | 22:34 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, i know there are the principles/bible and how to interpret them :s | 22:34 |
| ajo | I need to go to sleep. | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: just need to spin up a completely new project | 22:34 |
| dougwig | i could've referenced a latex barrier designed to stop virii from passing from host to host, too. the GPL barrier. | 22:34 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: but it couldn't live in openstack land because it's GPL, right? | 22:35 |
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| dougwig | stackforge can't be GPL? | 22:35 |
| ZZelle | kevinbenton, the best for pylint is to avoid importing code and call a binary (currently pylint, and tomorrow zuperlint :)) | 22:35 |
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| kevinbenton | i'm just going to go work for microsoft | 22:37 |
| mestery | I don't think they strictly enforce apache licensed projects for stackforge | 22:37 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: That does make it easier | 22:37 |
| mestery | Azure #ftw ;) | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | ok, gus should probably get most of this when he checks the scrollback | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | but i'll leave a note on the review | 22:39 |
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| mestery | armax dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/141136 just merged, I just re-checked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140864/ now. | 22:54 |
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| armax | mestery: ack | 23:01 |
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| gus | kevinbenton: thanks, I just finished reading the scrollback. | 23:32 |
| PaulCzar | I've got a juno cluster running linuxbridge and am having weird issues with instance communication. I think it's because there's no port ( neutron port-list ) created for the dhcp-agent | 23:33 |
| gus | There's a lot mentioned there that doesn't fit with how I thought copyright/gpl worked. | 23:33 |
| PaulCzar | I have a havana cluster and it shows the dhcp-agent in the port-list | 23:33 |
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| gus | In particular, GPL only kicks in when you redistribute something. Simply having a git repo somewhere that includes the line "import gpl_licensed_python_library" doesn't change anything. | 23:33 |
| PaulCzar | restarting the dhcp agent doesn't create the port ... which is what I would expect | 23:33 |
| gus | if someone wants to bundle your gigt repo with that gpl library and redistribute it, *then* they have to think about GPL obligations. | 23:34 |
| dougwig | gus: kilo-1 will "ship" it. | 23:34 |
| gus | how? | 23:34 |
| dougwig | it's packaged up and put for distribution. | 23:34 |
| dougwig | (neutron) | 23:34 |
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| kevinbenton | neutron just makes a tarball available | 23:34 |
| gus | we include all the pypy dependences in our distribution?? | 23:34 |
| gus | (pypi) | 23:35 |
| dougwig | aren't we talking about code in neutron? | 23:35 |
| dougwig | if not, then it's just me being clueless again. | 23:35 |
| kevinbenton | the code that inherits from pylint is in neutron | 23:35 |
| kevinbenton | but nothing of pylint is in neutron | 23:35 |
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| gus | right. I've written some custom pylint checkers. That code is mine, but obviously imports/builds-on pylint modules. | 23:36 |
| gus | pylint is GPL. | 23:36 |
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| kevinbenton | but the message i was getting is that typing "class myclass(pylintclass):" is breaking the law and the FBI will raid your house | 23:36 |
| gus | the question is how far away I have to put those pylint checkers before we're ok with the license. | 23:36 |
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| dougwig | that's a question for openstack legal, since it's a gray area. | 23:37 |
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| gus | I'd _like_ to put them in the neutron git repo, since I want to be free to make the checks neutron-opinionated. | 23:37 |
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| gus | ah ok, so there's an openstack-legal mailing list somewhere? | 23:37 |
| dougwig | there is something. ping mark. | 23:38 |
| gus | LegalIssuesFAQ wiki says legal-discuss@lists.openstack.org | 23:39 |
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| kevinbenton | whatever the outcome, we should rebroadcast to the dev list so nobody wastes time if it turns out we can't have code calling pylint | 23:40 |
| gus | awesome, the FAQ says "Q: Is it OK for OpenStack projects to use GPL libraries? A: FIXME: we don't have a clear policy on this yet." | 23:40 |
| gus | I smell another quagmire. | 23:40 |
| gus | oh well, blundering naively into minefields is my super power, here goes another one... | 23:41 |
| kevinbenton | gus: it builds character :) | 23:43 |
| gus | kevinbenton: btw, I wrote another pylint checker yesterday that checks olso.i18n and logging stuff. FInds about 30 issues in neutron, fwiw (ranging from over-eager interpolation to staight up syntax errors in the format strings). | 23:43 |
| dougwig | you should write a pylint checker that looks for gpl violations and commit that. | 23:43 |
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| dougwig | it might be one line. | 23:43 |
| kevinbenton | gus: nice, have you put up some patches? | 23:44 |
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| gus | dougwig: you need to describe what constitutes a GPL violation first ;) | 23:45 |
| dougwig | that's the beauty of it. you can tap /dev/urandom. | 23:45 |
| gus | kevinbenton: not yet, only finished writing it at midnight ;) I'll upload it to gerrit for us to argue over later today. | 23:45 |
| * gus thinks there's a lot of FUD over GPL. This is sad, because GPL is (or should be) our friend. | 23:46 | |
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| * kevinbenton says "gus: i meant, do you have the patches to fix the syntax errors up?" | 23:47 | |
| dougwig | gus: GPLv3 ventured into the 'creepy friend that won't leave' territory. | 23:47 |
| gus | kevinbenton: oh, no not yet. I was just spot checking them to ensure they were actual problems. | 23:47 |
| gus | (the checker seems to be working correctly) | 23:48 |
| kevinbenton | gus: excellent | 23:48 |
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