Tuesday, 2014-10-21

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openstackgerritYAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: tox.ini: Avoid using bash where unnecessary  https://review.openstack.org/12912000:30
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated service.py and its dependencies  https://review.openstack.org/12828500:32
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: internal callers of create_{network, subnet, port} ignore extension  https://review.openstack.org/12977302:42
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Enable assignment-from-no-return pylint check  https://review.openstack.org/12977904:23
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove useless use of "else" clause on for loop  https://review.openstack.org/12978104:39
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Switch run-time import to using importutils.import_module  https://review.openstack.org/12978204:47
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Rewrite two cases of using the loop variable outside the loop body  https://review.openstack.org/12978404:54
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use comments rather than no-op string statements  https://review.openstack.org/12978604:56
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove duplicate import of constants module  https://review.openstack.org/12978805:03
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve performance of security group DB query  https://review.openstack.org/12399705:42
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xuhanpamotoki, ping05:49
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amotokixuhanp: pong05:50
xuhanpamotoki, I have a question about IPv6 mode on Horizon, you are very familiar with that right?05:50
amotokixuhanp: yes. what?05:51
xuhanpseems like there is only one dropdown list to select ipv6 mode when creating subnet?05:51
amotokixuhanp: it is intentional at now. As you know, updating IPv6 two modes to None will fail in Neutron side in Juno release.05:52
xuhanpamotoki, if not updating but creating a new subnet, how can I select combination like ra_mode=None, and address_mode=slaac?05:52
xuhanpfor provider router RA case05:53
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amotokixuhanp: looking for the related reviews.05:55
xuhanpamotoki, sure. take your time please05:56
amotokixuhanp: xuhanp: there is a lot of confusions in IPv6 two modes and I discussed with sc68cal.05:56
amotokixuhanp: this is the main review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74453/05:56
amotokixuhanp: and the current dropdown menu was discussed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115739/2/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/workflows.py05:57
openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator  https://review.openstack.org/12367305:57
amotokiwe have two reviews to compare the two typos of implementations.05:57
xuhanpamotoki, checking the version which get merged...06:00
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amotokixuhanp: the first review got merged.06:00
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amotokixuhanp: the second one was merged into the first one.06:00
amotokixuhanp: we can update and improve the IPv6 dropdown menu if you have good descriptions and can be backported to juno.06:01
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xuhanpamotoki, seems like only slaac/slaac, dhcpv6/dhcpv6 or none/none mode is allowed here.   I didn't see a combination of slaac/none is allowed06:02
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amotokixuhanp: yes, at now.06:03
xuhanpI think we need slaac/none mode for provider router where RA is sent from outside but address mode is still slaac06:03
xuhanpsc68cal proposed the blueprint for that in Juno06:04
xuhanpamotoki, the valid choices are here:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74453/13/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/subnets/utils.py06:04
amotokixuhanp: I am not sure what options we should have exactly. I know the spec links.06:05
amotokixuhanp: as you can see at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115739/2/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/workflows.py, at first I listed all of comvbinations I recognized06:05
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xuhanpamotoki, yep. I saw that, then you are suggested to reduce the options06:06
xuhanpI just think we missed some use cases in the final version.06:06
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trinathsirenab: Hi06:07
amotokixuhanp: At first the proposed impl just provided two dropdown menus per IPv6 two modes, but it is hard to understand for regular users including me.06:07
amotokixuhanp: this is the reason the single dropdown menu was introduced.06:07
xuhanpamotoki, yep. I saw that discussion on the Horizon blueprint.06:08
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amotokixuhanp: but I think your point is valid to me and let's we add menu(s) we require early in Kilo and backport to Juno.06:08
xuhanpamotoki, maybe we can also gather more thoughts in today's IPv6 sub-meeting?06:09
amotokixuhanp: one thing I concern is whether provider network options depend on provider network setup06:09
amotokiand these options are available depending on operators.06:10
xuhanpamotoki, I think we should assume that provider network is configured correctly by operators.06:10
amotokiif it is true, we need to provide a way to configure it.06:10
xuhanpamotoki, agree06:11
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amotokixuhanp: i think we need an settign option for IPv6 modes similar to provider_network support in Horizon06:13
amotokihttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/settings.html#openstack-neutron-network06:13
amotoki"supported_provider_types" in OPENSTACK_NEUTRON_NETWORK06:13
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xuhanpamotoki, great suggestion. I may need more time to check how this can work06:16
xuhanpsince provider RA function is quite different from gre and vlan06:17
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amotokixuhanp: this kind of input from IPv6 team is really appreciated. I am not so familiar with IPv6 deployments.06:18
amotokixuhanp: an idea in my mind is to define all possible options with appropriate descriptions in networks/subnets/utils and control enable options by a new setting parameter06:19
amotokibut I am not sure it works for IPv6 case.06:19
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xuhanpamotoki, looks like it worth an email discussion?06:20
amotokixuhanp: agree. it is better to gather inputs from broader potential users.06:20
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xuhanpamotoki, sounds great. let me try to start one and summarize what we talked here.06:21
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irenabtrinaths: hi!06:25
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openstackgerritAkihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Use graduated oslo libraries  https://review.openstack.org/12889606:37
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openstackgerrityalei wang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add portsecurity extension support  https://review.openstack.org/12655206:53
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p01s0nhi why is it necessary to run neutron server on network node07:05
openstackgerritlzklibj proposed a change to openstack/neutron: fix event_send for re-assign floating ip  https://review.openstack.org/12982607:05
amotokip01s0n: there is no need to run neutron-server process on network node(s).07:05
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p01s0namotoki was it required in havana release,because in icehouse documents they are not installing neutron server on network node07:08
openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add an RPC rally scenario  https://review.openstack.org/12920007:09
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amotokip01s0n: there was no such requirement from the initial releaase of neutron (quantum).07:14
amotokip01s0n: the bottom figure on http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_overview.html#overview-architecture07:14
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amotokip01s0n: neutron-server is located on the controller node.07:14
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openstackgerritIsaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: internal callers of create_{network, subnet, port} ignore extension  https://review.openstack.org/12977307:15
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p01s0nthanks amotoki this can be a mistake in document http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-install.dedicated-network-node.html07:36
openstackgerritSamer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support for :Vnic type: macvtap  https://review.openstack.org/12983407:36
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amotokip01s0n: I think there are two possible case. it is a bug of the document. OR there may be some limitation on Ubuntu package dependency.07:40
amotokip01s0n: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/neutron-install.dedicated-network-node.html seems correct.07:40
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p01s0namotoki thanks ,can you help me with one more issue? i accidently installed ovs in controller(neutron server+other services) and later removed it but still all compute nodes and network node creates GRE tunnels to it,even with no ovs running07:42
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amotokip01s0n: i hope you check more recent version (icehouse and juno) of the document and if there please file a bug.07:43
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amotokip01s0n: you need to delete unnecessary GRE endpoints from ml2_gre_endpoints or ovs_tunnel_endpoints table manually.07:45
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p01s0namotoki thanks i will try that07:47
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openstackgerritSamer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adds macvtap support  https://review.openstack.org/12983407:52
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p01s0namotoki thanks deleting that solves the issue07:58
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openstackgerritSridar Kandaswamy proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specification for Firewall Services on Cisco CSR1kv  https://review.openstack.org/12983608:04
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Batch ports from security groups RPC handler  https://review.openstack.org/12447808:06
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openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator  https://review.openstack.org/12367308:31
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trinathsjschwarz: Hi Friend. How are you.. How are your Holidays.. :)08:53
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jschwarztrinaths, all done now - it's all business and no play from now on08:53
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jschwarztrinaths, actually semester starts in less then a week so you'll probably see me less :<08:53
jschwarzhow are you?08:53
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openstackgerritSamer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adds macvtap support  https://review.openstack.org/12983408:54
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openstackgerritSamer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adds macvtap support  https://review.openstack.org/12983408:57
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openstackgerritMurali Birru proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Don't schedule a router with no interfaces attached to it  https://review.openstack.org/10251209:09
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openstackgerritJohn Schwarz proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add sanity check for wrong MTU when using tunnels  https://review.openstack.org/12985209:11
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ZZellesalv-orlando, hi09:46
jschwarzijw, evening :)09:46
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irenabtrinaths: hi10:07
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irenabsc68cal: ping10:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated cache module and its dependencies  https://review.openstack.org/12828610:22
openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cannot add router interface to IPv6 SLAAC network  https://review.openstack.org/12986510:24
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openstackgerritRomil Gupta proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: OVSvAPP solution for VLAN and security groups  https://review.openstack.org/10445210:36
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/12804012:11
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openstackgerritVivekanandan Narasimhan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: VLAN support for DVR  https://review.openstack.org/12988412:18
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jschwarzijw, hi12:48
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openstackgerritAlexey I. Froloff proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specify Fixed IP address by "IP Version"  https://review.openstack.org/12991013:47
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jschwarzijw, hi13:48
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openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: switch to oslo.serialization  https://review.openstack.org/12730614:13
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Migrate to oslo.utils  https://review.openstack.org/12725714:13
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jschwarzmarkmcclain, hi - got a minute to talk about https://review.openstack.org/117142 ? :)14:21
markmcclainjschwarz: sure14:21
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jschwarzmarkmcclain, thanks. last time we spoke you said something about the patch not being a refactor but more of a minor feature?14:21
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markmcclainjschwarz: correc14:22
jschwarzmarkmcclain, I think that it mostly is a refactor since it changes some names and adds a proper way to do something that already happens anyway in the code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/6/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py14:23
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jschwarzthis allows for better maintainability when adding new hooks14:23
jschwarzmarkmcclain, anyway, was interested in asking what I should do know to get this patch moving forward?14:23
markmcclainjschwarz: We can take a 2nd look, but hooks are bad :)  mike bayer has pointed out several shortcomings14:23
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markmcclainas part of paying down the tech debt we really need to look at whether these are necessary14:24
markmcclainbecause they tend to push folks towards some bad patterns14:24
jschwarzmarkmcclain, I can relate, but I think that's a different discussion to be had14:24
jschwarzgetting the hooks out is quite a change to all sorts of pre-existing hooks, whereas I simply try to use the existing system14:25
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, ^, any opinions regarding this (model_query_hook)14:26
jschwarz?14:26
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salv-orlandojschwarz: it just depends on how important is the function that we are modifying hooks for and what is our plan for replacing them14:27
jschwarzalso markmcclain, in the link I posted, the hook is used to only query for ports which have a specific attribute (common ip_address or subnet_id). not using hooks will mean getting all the ports and then explicitly removing those we don't need14:27
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salv-orlandojschwarz: the hooks are a dirty trick I introduced because because I love cutting corners14:28
jschwarzsalv-orlando, sounds to me like there isn't currently a plan for replacing them, only talks about making plans?14:28
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salv-orlandojschwarz: sounds to me like you’re concerned you’re wasting your time ;)14:28
jschwarzsalv-orlando, one of the reasons - I don't get paid if my code isn't merged ;-)14:29
jschwarzjokes aside, I think that the concept there is a valid one (even if it was introduced for cutting corners)14:29
salv-orlandojschwarz: seriously? I always joked about committers not getting paid if their code did not merge...14:29
jschwarzahah14:30
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jschwarznah, I remembered you joking about this14:30
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jschwarzthe concept of using multiple filters (even those which aren't currently part of a model but of a related model) is needed14:30
jschwarzsee point above regarding the ports hook14:31
jschwarzthe other ways of achieving the same effect is basically retrieving all the ports, then cutting down the fat, or modifying the models themselves to contain this data14:32
jschwarzsalv-orlando, markmcclain, ^14:32
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salv-orlandojschwarz: I think markmcclain is saying that going forward we’d like to have a better mechanism to achieve these goals. Not that we don’t need to do that. But as you say, the plan is not yet defined.14:33
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, what I'm trying to say is that until such a time as a plan is defined, my patches are staying put instead of going forward.14:35
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salv-orlandojschwarz: that is something else that we’re discussing at the moment. They’re not going to stay in a limbo forever. It’s a matter of days14:35
salv-orlandojschwarz: what are we trying to do is finding a way to maintain “Existing” code while we develop new interfaces14:36
salv-orlandothat’s not hard, but I need to some sync up with markmcclain and others14:36
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, right. I'll leave this be until it is defined.14:37
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, as long as you're on top of it, i'm not worried ;-)14:37
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salv-orlandoSo as usual - I am the chokepoint her e:/14:38
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HenryGnati_ueno: ping, about the metaplugin14:55
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nati_uenoHenryG: Can we talk 5 min later?14:56
HenryGnati_ueno: of course, just wanted to make sure you stayed around after the meeting :)14:56
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nati_uenoHenryG: hi15:00
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HenryGnati_ueno: Hi. I was wondering what is the future of the metaplugin? Continue developing, or deprecate?15:01
nati_uenoHenryG: I think it will be deprecate15:01
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HenryGnati_ueno: OK. Any timeline?15:01
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nati_uenoHenryG: I guess kilo is a candidate if there is no user15:01
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HenryGnati_ueno: How do we check for users?15:02
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nati_uenoHenryG: I know at least one user. and also we will notify it on the mailing list15:02
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nati_uenoHenryG: I need to go. Let's talk later if you have more quests15:04
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HenryGnati_ueno: Thanks! ttyl15:04
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amotokimestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129635/    just some cleanup on specs HTML document15:17
mesteryamotoki: Cool, thanks!15:17
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ZZellemestery, hi15:51
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mesteryZZelle: Yo!15:51
ZZellemestery, it's a little bit annoying that juno:kilo specs are mixed in review.o.o15:52
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mesteryZZelle: True, I'm not sure there is a nice way to clean that up though, can you think of one?15:53
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ZZellemestery, so i was wondering if we could a test in order to raise a Verified: -1 by jenkins if a change creates a new file in juno folder(s)15:53
ZZelles/could/could add/15:54
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mesteryZZelle: That sounds like a nice idea actually!15:55
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amotokior you can use more specific query: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-specs+file:%255Especs/kilo/.*,n,z15:56
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ZZellemestery, what would be the correct criteria? -1 if the change creates a file in juno folders? -1 if the change updates or creates a file in juno folders?15:57
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mesteryZZelle: -1 sounds good to me, we won't be adding anything there.15:59
mesteryZZelle: I'd +2 a patch like that for neutron-specs16:00
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ZZellemestery, ok16:00
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ZZellemestery, i am on it :)16:00
mesteryZZelle: Thank you sir! :)16:00
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marunemagana: ping16:17
emaganaHi16:17
emaganamaru: What's up? Besides the sky  :-)16:17
marunemagana: Thank you for your comments on the peer review proposal!16:17
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emaganamarun: Sorry that I couldn't added them before..16:18
marunemagana: I've done my best to answer them, please feel free to follow up with me if I haven't answered to your satisfaction or you have more questions.16:18
emaganamarun: I will do that! Thank you for taking the time..16:18
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marunemagana: I think it's clear that there wasn't clear guidance as to the timeline for implementation.16:18
marunemagana: I'm really sorry for that.16:18
emaganamarun: Did my questions make sense? Hopefully, I was not out of context16:18
marunemagana: Most of them did, yes.  A few seemed to be asking questions that were answered farther along, but they were still good opportunities to restate/rephrase for clarity.16:19
emaganamarun: Not needed! I am happy we are coordinating this to the right direction16:19
emaganamarun: Great!16:19
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marunemagana: The feedback is welcome - I think there were lots of assumptions I didn't document (especially around intent).16:20
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marunemagana: The goal is really to get us all thinking about what it means to be core and how we can improve.16:20
marunemagana: the survey is just one avenue towards that goal16:20
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marunemagana: and honestly, not my favorite way of doing it.16:20
emaganamarun: I understand it.16:20
marunemagana: I would hope we could find less process-heavy ways of accomplishing the same ends once we are all on the same page.16:21
emaganamarun: We should have an initiative to onboard more devs as cores as well16:21
marunemagana: As per one of my comments, that is definitely desirable.16:21
marunemagana: I think the first step is firming up what it means to be core, both in the community and in the core team itself.16:21
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emaganamarun: I got it16:22
emaganamarun: Yes, it makes sense to understand the level of responsibility and commitment before approaching something16:22
marunemagana: Another step will be instituting a mentoring process for potential cores.16:23
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marunemagana: Not everyone is capable of meeting expectations by simple participation.16:23
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marunemagana: And I think we need more diversity in the core team - not just certain kinds of people.16:23
marunemagana: But, baby steps :)16:23
emaganamarun: Hopesully, we can rephrase the problem statement, it feels like having a mechanism to revoke core membership that really a process to improve the review quality16:24
emaganamarun: just my two cents16:24
marunemagana: Fair enough16:24
marunemagana: I think there are 2 sides to the coin16:24
emaganaIt says: once membership has been granted it is almost never revoked or relinquished16:24
marunemagana: which is true.16:24
emaganamarun: sure16:24
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emaganamarun: I agree with that...16:25
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marunemagana: The problem statement isn't necessarily what we are fixing immediately with the survey, and I can understand that it isn't clear.16:25
marunemagana: If we can develop a shared sense of what it means to be core, than everyone will know where they stand.16:25
emaganain my school time, problem statement was the base of the research for a solution  ;-)16:25
emaganamarun: I second that!16:26
marunemagana: And if the expectation exceeds what someone can or wants to contribute at a given point of time, maybe they don't belong on core for a while.16:26
marunemagana: If the expectations are clear, they should be able to get back quickly.16:26
marunemagana: That is how most other projects seem to work.16:26
emaganamarun: That is a good point!16:27
emaganaThis is why we need to be clear on time commitment!16:27
emaganamarun:16:27
marunemagana: The goal isn't to be pejorative - hopefully every core would know whether they are meeting the expectations of their peers and the community so they could decide themselves.16:27
marunemagana: I think we need to find qualitative measures.16:27
marunemagana: things like review stats or time spent are poor indicators of effort required.16:27
emaganamarun: Because, the amount of reviews with quality and community involved requires quite amount of time..16:28
marunemagana: And if someone finds that core responsibilities are taking too much time, hopefully we could discuss ways of figuring it out.16:28
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marunemagana: Maybe we need more cores16:28
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marunemagana: Maybe we need fewer reviews (i.e. more focus)16:28
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emaganamarun: That is a good point.. yes we really need more cores and less commits!!  :-)16:28
marunemagana: I would hope that if everyone was more project focused we could have these kinds of hard conversations.16:29
marunemagana: prioritizing means that not everyone gets what they want, after all.16:29
emaganamarun: ;-)16:29
marunemagana: But I don't think we can continue pretending that we can do everything with the limited resources we have.16:29
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marunemagana: So, first step: find ways to make the core review team more effective.16:30
marunemagana: second step, find ways to grow that team16:30
emaganamarun: Yes, absolutely! Maybe removing vendor-specific code from tree  :-)16:30
marunand alongside, make sure we're prioritizing explicitly rather than just letting things slide.16:30
marunemagana: ++ to that16:30
emaganamarun: Ok, I will review your answers and comment if needed.  Thanks for driving this great initiative16:30
marunemagana: I look forward to lots of good discussion at summit around all of these topics.16:30
marunemagana: appreciated, thank you! :)16:31
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emaganamarun: looking forward to seeing you in Paris16:31
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mesteryAm I too late to get a hug here emagana and marun? :)16:31
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mesteryemagana: Thanks for your comments on the etherpad, they are greatly appreciated! :)16:32
emaganamestery: You can get as many as you want...  ;-)16:32
mesteryemagana: Heh :)16:32
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emaganamestery: Hugs just hugs!16:32
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mesteryemagana: Ha!16:33
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emaganamestery: ;-)16:34
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove use_namespaces from RouterInfo Property  https://review.openstack.org/12971517:04
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/12971817:25
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/12971817:25
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: mock.assert_called_once() is not a valid method  https://review.openstack.org/12343017:33
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Don't run a query to check if the network exists  https://review.openstack.org/12288317:37
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/neutron: Modify docstring on send_delete_port_request in N1kv plugin  https://review.openstack.org/12953117:37
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openstackgerritAbhishek Raut proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 mechanism driver for Cisco Nexus1000V  https://review.openstack.org/12881219:35
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/12971819:39
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SabriiI'm trying to create a network without a subnet (i.e. l2 bridging only). However, neutron doesn't like it. How can I tell neutron that it's just fine?19:44
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Tighten up try/except block around rpc call  https://review.openstack.org/13002119:47
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move disabling of metadata and ipv6_ra to _destroy_router_namespace  https://review.openstack.org/12973920:08
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Tighten up try/except block around rpc call  https://review.openstack.org/13002120:21
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove use_namespaces from RouterInfo Property  https://review.openstack.org/12971520:21
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions  https://review.openstack.org/13003020:32
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ZZelle_mestery, hi (bis)20:38
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mesteryZZelle_: Hi sir!20:38
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ZZelle_mestery, done! https://review.openstack.org/13003020:39
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mesteryZZelle_: Wow, fast work sir! Looking.20:39
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ZZelle_mestery, the check could be finer (disallow only create or disallow create/update)20:39
mesteryZZelle_: It's a good first cut though20:40
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions  https://review.openstack.org/13003020:41
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Validate network config (vlan)  https://review.openstack.org/12636020:44
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes  https://review.openstack.org/12491720:44
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openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions  https://review.openstack.org/13003020:47
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move disabling of metadata and ipv6_ra to _destroy_router_namespace  https://review.openstack.org/12973920:50
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Tighten up try/except block around rpc call  https://review.openstack.org/13002120:55
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove use_namespaces from RouterInfo Property  https://review.openstack.org/12971520:55
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/12971820:55
openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions  https://review.openstack.org/13003020:56
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openstackgerritTerry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Only resync DHCP for a particular network when their is a failure  https://review.openstack.org/12902521:08
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes  https://review.openstack.org/12491721:27
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marunobondarev: Ok, I'm an idiot.21:30
openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Validate network config (vlan)  https://review.openstack.org/12636021:31
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openstackgerritAbhishek Raut proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 mechanism driver for Cisco Nexus1000V  https://review.openstack.org/12881221:45
openstackgerritCedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions  https://review.openstack.org/13003021:47
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marunijw: I don't think we need to anticipate what 'Neutron the integration point' will become.22:02
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marunijw: And ODL, well. Didn't you attend the same design forum as I did?22:02
ijwNope, I was at the OPNFV one but I skived off the ODL one22:03
marunijw: We need to ensure that Neutron is a better integration point.22:03
marunijw: And keep the control plane on life support until something better comes along.22:03
ijwAgain, the difference is aspiration versus necessarily reality - aspirations can change but they're useful things to have22:03
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marunijw: I think ODL is a long ways off yet.22:04
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openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move stale namespace cleanup logic out of L3 agent  https://review.openstack.org/13005222:04
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marunijw: Too many architectural astronauts in play, trying to solve the world rather than the problems we have in OpenStack.22:04
ijwQuite likely.  People *are* using it, but given the quantity of ODL that says nothing, because what one person is using another person is avoiding22:04
marunijw: Frankly, we'd probably be better served rolling our own controller.22:04
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marunijw: that doesn't imply reusing what we have, btw.22:05
marunijw: but orchestrating ovs to do what we do, in a well-tested way?  Not exactly rocket science.22:05
ijwFor OVS and/or LB, I think we'd have to restructure what we have into a different form (if only the idea and not the code).22:05
ijwNo, indeed.22:05
marunijw: I think taking what odl/ovsdb did is a better starting point.22:05
ijwBut imagine doing that for DVR22:05
marunijw: odl/ovsdb has dvr support22:06
marunijw: without all the hoops that we had to jump through.22:06
ijwPoint being that if we were to do this it would be write the new/deprecate the old/delete the old22:06
marunijw: +122:06
marunijw: The first step is separation.22:06
ijwCos there are too many teams involved and maybe a bit too much code to simply rewrite in one step22:06
marunijw: Then we can better target the control plane for replacement.22:07
ijwIndeed22:07
marunijw: Without impacting the integration point unnecessarily.22:07
marunijw: So, lots to discuss at summit.  And potentially actionable for a change.  :)22:07
ijwWill be interesting cos by implication the backend controllers would be the bits using Rabbit.  Neutron-api wouldn't touch it, I think22:07
marunThat would likely be the case, yes.22:07
ijwAnyway, my opinions are now in the document.  Actually I'm surprised no-one else had gotten at it22:07
marunijw: people read email on a delay22:08
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ijw_marun: it's not about 'getting' eventlet, it's more about whether you use threads with stackframes when you're trying to deal with potentially 10,000 async conversations.  That's usually where you'd switch over to a reactive framework22:11
maruneventlet is great for a rest api22:11
marunit's not so good for db interaction22:11
marunbut I think you're getting off on too much of a tangent22:12
marunthere is an entirely separate session on the api/rpc/etc22:12
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marunI would suggest restricting your comments re: things like our concurrency model to that session.22:12
marunijw_: see day 222:13
ijw_OK - haven't got past day 1 atm and I'm in a meeting at the same time ;)22:13
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marunijw_: no stress, just trying to keep you focused :)22:13
ijw_Happy with logic ;)22:14
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marunijw_: I think we're going to have to focus on big issues around a potential split.22:14
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ijw_marun: question requiring an opinon: if we were to do this, is ML2 controller side?22:15
marunijw_: There are going to be lots of details that aren't really all that contentious, even if they are interesting.22:15
marunijw_: _that_ is a very contentious issue that will require discussion22:15
ijw_mmm...22:15
marunijw_: ml2 in its current form is proving very problematic from a maintenance perspective.22:16
ijw_Also, we're taking a major chunk of openstack code and proposing making a very nearly non-openstack project (in that it's probably the first thing that's completely optional and replaceable by something non-Openstack)22:16
marunijw_: ?22:16
marunijw_: I'm not sure I agree.22:16
marunOr are you talking about 'neutron' vs 'vendor plugins'?22:16
ijw_The 'controller' in this is a whole project that doesn't affect the semantics22:16
ijw_And can be entirely substituted for a vendor plugin, yes22:16
marunI think that's entirely appropriate.22:17
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marunI mean, there's nothing stopping neutron from saying 'we're going to build a control plane'22:17
ijw_OK, I've got distracted - does the page make sense to you as is?  If so I'll go to page 222:17
marunand do it properly22:17
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marunijw_: I think so22:18
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ijw_Which session did you have in mind for the async stuff?22:19
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Enable no-name-in-module pylint check  https://review.openstack.org/13005522:31
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openstackgerritAngus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Hyper-V: Remove useless use of "else" clause on for loop  https://review.openstack.org/12978122:39
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openstackgerritSoheil Eizadi proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: DHCP Relay Blueprint  https://review.openstack.org/10566023:04
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openstackgerritEdgar Magana proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Commit to verify third-party CI systems  https://review.openstack.org/11439323:30
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openstackgerritEdgar Magana proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Commit to verify third-party CI systems (Neg)  https://review.openstack.org/11462923:31
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openstackgerritManish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes  https://review.openstack.org/12491723:59

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