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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: tox.ini: Avoid using bash where unnecessary https://review.openstack.org/129120 | 00:30 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated service.py and its dependencies https://review.openstack.org/128285 | 00:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Isaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: internal callers of create_{network, subnet, port} ignore extension https://review.openstack.org/129773 | 02:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Enable assignment-from-no-return pylint check https://review.openstack.org/129779 | 04:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove useless use of "else" clause on for loop https://review.openstack.org/129781 | 04:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Switch run-time import to using importutils.import_module https://review.openstack.org/129782 | 04:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Rewrite two cases of using the loop variable outside the loop body https://review.openstack.org/129784 | 04:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use comments rather than no-op string statements https://review.openstack.org/129786 | 04:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove duplicate import of constants module https://review.openstack.org/129788 | 05:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Improve performance of security group DB query https://review.openstack.org/123997 | 05:42 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, ping | 05:49 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: pong | 05:50 |
xuhanp | amotoki, I have a question about IPv6 mode on Horizon, you are very familiar with that right? | 05:50 |
amotoki | xuhanp: yes. what? | 05:51 |
xuhanp | seems like there is only one dropdown list to select ipv6 mode when creating subnet? | 05:51 |
amotoki | xuhanp: it is intentional at now. As you know, updating IPv6 two modes to None will fail in Neutron side in Juno release. | 05:52 |
xuhanp | amotoki, if not updating but creating a new subnet, how can I select combination like ra_mode=None, and address_mode=slaac? | 05:52 |
xuhanp | for provider router RA case | 05:53 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: looking for the related reviews. | 05:55 |
xuhanp | amotoki, sure. take your time please | 05:56 |
amotoki | xuhanp: xuhanp: there is a lot of confusions in IPv6 two modes and I discussed with sc68cal. | 05:56 |
amotoki | xuhanp: this is the main review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74453/ | 05:56 |
amotoki | xuhanp: and the current dropdown menu was discussed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115739/2/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/workflows.py | 05:57 |
openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/123673 | 05:57 |
amotoki | we have two reviews to compare the two typos of implementations. | 05:57 |
xuhanp | amotoki, checking the version which get merged... | 06:00 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: the first review got merged. | 06:00 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: the second one was merged into the first one. | 06:00 |
amotoki | xuhanp: we can update and improve the IPv6 dropdown menu if you have good descriptions and can be backported to juno. | 06:01 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, seems like only slaac/slaac, dhcpv6/dhcpv6 or none/none mode is allowed here. I didn't see a combination of slaac/none is allowed | 06:02 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: yes, at now. | 06:03 |
xuhanp | I think we need slaac/none mode for provider router where RA is sent from outside but address mode is still slaac | 06:03 |
xuhanp | sc68cal proposed the blueprint for that in Juno | 06:04 |
xuhanp | amotoki, the valid choices are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74453/13/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/subnets/utils.py | 06:04 |
amotoki | xuhanp: I am not sure what options we should have exactly. I know the spec links. | 06:05 |
amotoki | xuhanp: as you can see at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115739/2/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/workflows.py, at first I listed all of comvbinations I recognized | 06:05 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, yep. I saw that, then you are suggested to reduce the options | 06:06 |
xuhanp | I just think we missed some use cases in the final version. | 06:06 |
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trinaths | irenab: Hi | 06:07 |
amotoki | xuhanp: At first the proposed impl just provided two dropdown menus per IPv6 two modes, but it is hard to understand for regular users including me. | 06:07 |
amotoki | xuhanp: this is the reason the single dropdown menu was introduced. | 06:07 |
xuhanp | amotoki, yep. I saw that discussion on the Horizon blueprint. | 06:08 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: but I think your point is valid to me and let's we add menu(s) we require early in Kilo and backport to Juno. | 06:08 |
xuhanp | amotoki, maybe we can also gather more thoughts in today's IPv6 sub-meeting? | 06:09 |
amotoki | xuhanp: one thing I concern is whether provider network options depend on provider network setup | 06:09 |
amotoki | and these options are available depending on operators. | 06:10 |
xuhanp | amotoki, I think we should assume that provider network is configured correctly by operators. | 06:10 |
amotoki | if it is true, we need to provide a way to configure it. | 06:10 |
xuhanp | amotoki, agree | 06:11 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: i think we need an settign option for IPv6 modes similar to provider_network support in Horizon | 06:13 |
amotoki | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/topics/settings.html#openstack-neutron-network | 06:13 |
amotoki | "supported_provider_types" in OPENSTACK_NEUTRON_NETWORK | 06:13 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, great suggestion. I may need more time to check how this can work | 06:16 |
xuhanp | since provider RA function is quite different from gre and vlan | 06:17 |
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amotoki | xuhanp: this kind of input from IPv6 team is really appreciated. I am not so familiar with IPv6 deployments. | 06:18 |
amotoki | xuhanp: an idea in my mind is to define all possible options with appropriate descriptions in networks/subnets/utils and control enable options by a new setting parameter | 06:19 |
amotoki | but I am not sure it works for IPv6 case. | 06:19 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, looks like it worth an email discussion? | 06:20 |
amotoki | xuhanp: agree. it is better to gather inputs from broader potential users. | 06:20 |
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xuhanp | amotoki, sounds great. let me try to start one and summarize what we talked here. | 06:21 |
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irenab | trinaths: hi! | 06:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Use graduated oslo libraries https://review.openstack.org/128896 | 06:37 |
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openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add portsecurity extension support https://review.openstack.org/126552 | 06:53 |
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p01s0n | hi why is it necessary to run neutron server on network node | 07:05 |
openstackgerrit | lzklibj proposed a change to openstack/neutron: fix event_send for re-assign floating ip https://review.openstack.org/129826 | 07:05 |
amotoki | p01s0n: there is no need to run neutron-server process on network node(s). | 07:05 |
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p01s0n | amotoki was it required in havana release,because in icehouse documents they are not installing neutron server on network node | 07:08 |
openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add an RPC rally scenario https://review.openstack.org/129200 | 07:09 |
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amotoki | p01s0n: there was no such requirement from the initial releaase of neutron (quantum). | 07:14 |
amotoki | p01s0n: the bottom figure on http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_overview.html#overview-architecture | 07:14 |
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amotoki | p01s0n: neutron-server is located on the controller node. | 07:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Isaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron: internal callers of create_{network, subnet, port} ignore extension https://review.openstack.org/129773 | 07:15 |
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p01s0n | thanks amotoki this can be a mistake in document http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-install.dedicated-network-node.html | 07:36 |
openstackgerrit | Samer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support for :Vnic type: macvtap https://review.openstack.org/129834 | 07:36 |
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amotoki | p01s0n: I think there are two possible case. it is a bug of the document. OR there may be some limitation on Ubuntu package dependency. | 07:40 |
amotoki | p01s0n: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/neutron-install.dedicated-network-node.html seems correct. | 07:40 |
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p01s0n | amotoki thanks ,can you help me with one more issue? i accidently installed ovs in controller(neutron server+other services) and later removed it but still all compute nodes and network node creates GRE tunnels to it,even with no ovs running | 07:42 |
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amotoki | p01s0n: i hope you check more recent version (icehouse and juno) of the document and if there please file a bug. | 07:43 |
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amotoki | p01s0n: you need to delete unnecessary GRE endpoints from ml2_gre_endpoints or ovs_tunnel_endpoints table manually. | 07:45 |
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p01s0n | amotoki thanks i will try that | 07:47 |
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p01s0n | amotoki thanks deleting that solves the issue | 07:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Sridar Kandaswamy proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specification for Firewall Services on Cisco CSR1kv https://review.openstack.org/129836 | 08:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Batch ports from security groups RPC handler https://review.openstack.org/124478 | 08:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated policy module from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/123673 | 08:31 |
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trinaths | jschwarz: Hi Friend. How are you.. How are your Holidays.. :) | 08:53 |
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jschwarz | trinaths, all done now - it's all business and no play from now on | 08:53 |
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jschwarz | trinaths, actually semester starts in less then a week so you'll probably see me less :< | 08:53 |
jschwarz | how are you? | 08:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Samer Deeb proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adds macvtap support https://review.openstack.org/129834 | 08:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Murali Birru proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Don't schedule a router with no interfaces attached to it https://review.openstack.org/102512 | 09:09 |
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openstackgerrit | John Schwarz proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add sanity check for wrong MTU when using tunnels https://review.openstack.org/129852 | 09:11 |
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ZZelle | salv-orlando, hi | 09:46 |
jschwarz | ijw, evening :) | 09:46 |
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jschwarz | :< | 09:49 |
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irenab | trinaths: hi | 10:07 |
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irenab | sc68cal: ping | 10:11 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Updated cache module and its dependencies https://review.openstack.org/128286 | 10:22 |
openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cannot add router interface to IPv6 SLAAC network https://review.openstack.org/129865 | 10:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Romil Gupta proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: OVSvAPP solution for VLAN and security groups https://review.openstack.org/104452 | 10:36 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/128040 | 12:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Vivekanandan Narasimhan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: VLAN support for DVR https://review.openstack.org/129884 | 12:18 |
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jschwarz | ijw, hi | 12:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Alexey I. Froloff proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Specify Fixed IP address by "IP Version" https://review.openstack.org/129910 | 13:47 |
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jschwarz | ijw, hi | 13:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: switch to oslo.serialization https://review.openstack.org/127306 | 14:13 |
openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Migrate to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/127257 | 14:13 |
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jschwarz | markmcclain, hi - got a minute to talk about https://review.openstack.org/117142 ? :) | 14:21 |
markmcclain | jschwarz: sure | 14:21 |
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jschwarz | markmcclain, thanks. last time we spoke you said something about the patch not being a refactor but more of a minor feature? | 14:21 |
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markmcclain | jschwarz: correc | 14:22 |
jschwarz | markmcclain, I think that it mostly is a refactor since it changes some names and adds a proper way to do something that already happens anyway in the code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/6/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 14:23 |
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jschwarz | this allows for better maintainability when adding new hooks | 14:23 |
jschwarz | markmcclain, anyway, was interested in asking what I should do know to get this patch moving forward? | 14:23 |
markmcclain | jschwarz: We can take a 2nd look, but hooks are bad :) mike bayer has pointed out several shortcomings | 14:23 |
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markmcclain | as part of paying down the tech debt we really need to look at whether these are necessary | 14:24 |
markmcclain | because they tend to push folks towards some bad patterns | 14:24 |
jschwarz | markmcclain, I can relate, but I think that's a different discussion to be had | 14:24 |
jschwarz | getting the hooks out is quite a change to all sorts of pre-existing hooks, whereas I simply try to use the existing system | 14:25 |
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jschwarz | salv-orlando, ^, any opinions regarding this (model_query_hook) | 14:26 |
jschwarz | ? | 14:26 |
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salv-orlando | jschwarz: it just depends on how important is the function that we are modifying hooks for and what is our plan for replacing them | 14:27 |
jschwarz | also markmcclain, in the link I posted, the hook is used to only query for ports which have a specific attribute (common ip_address or subnet_id). not using hooks will mean getting all the ports and then explicitly removing those we don't need | 14:27 |
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salv-orlando | jschwarz: the hooks are a dirty trick I introduced because because I love cutting corners | 14:28 |
jschwarz | salv-orlando, sounds to me like there isn't currently a plan for replacing them, only talks about making plans? | 14:28 |
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salv-orlando | jschwarz: sounds to me like you’re concerned you’re wasting your time ;) | 14:28 |
jschwarz | salv-orlando, one of the reasons - I don't get paid if my code isn't merged ;-) | 14:29 |
jschwarz | jokes aside, I think that the concept there is a valid one (even if it was introduced for cutting corners) | 14:29 |
salv-orlando | jschwarz: seriously? I always joked about committers not getting paid if their code did not merge... | 14:29 |
jschwarz | ahah | 14:30 |
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jschwarz | nah, I remembered you joking about this | 14:30 |
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jschwarz | the concept of using multiple filters (even those which aren't currently part of a model but of a related model) is needed | 14:30 |
jschwarz | see point above regarding the ports hook | 14:31 |
jschwarz | the other ways of achieving the same effect is basically retrieving all the ports, then cutting down the fat, or modifying the models themselves to contain this data | 14:32 |
jschwarz | salv-orlando, markmcclain, ^ | 14:32 |
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salv-orlando | jschwarz: I think markmcclain is saying that going forward we’d like to have a better mechanism to achieve these goals. Not that we don’t need to do that. But as you say, the plan is not yet defined. | 14:33 |
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jschwarz | salv-orlando, what I'm trying to say is that until such a time as a plan is defined, my patches are staying put instead of going forward. | 14:35 |
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salv-orlando | jschwarz: that is something else that we’re discussing at the moment. They’re not going to stay in a limbo forever. It’s a matter of days | 14:35 |
salv-orlando | jschwarz: what are we trying to do is finding a way to maintain “Existing” code while we develop new interfaces | 14:36 |
salv-orlando | that’s not hard, but I need to some sync up with markmcclain and others | 14:36 |
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jschwarz | salv-orlando, right. I'll leave this be until it is defined. | 14:37 |
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jschwarz | salv-orlando, as long as you're on top of it, i'm not worried ;-) | 14:37 |
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salv-orlando | So as usual - I am the chokepoint her e:/ | 14:38 |
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HenryG | nati_ueno: ping, about the metaplugin | 14:55 |
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nati_ueno | HenryG: Can we talk 5 min later? | 14:56 |
HenryG | nati_ueno: of course, just wanted to make sure you stayed around after the meeting :) | 14:56 |
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nati_ueno | HenryG: hi | 15:00 |
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HenryG | nati_ueno: Hi. I was wondering what is the future of the metaplugin? Continue developing, or deprecate? | 15:01 |
nati_ueno | HenryG: I think it will be deprecate | 15:01 |
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HenryG | nati_ueno: OK. Any timeline? | 15:01 |
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nati_ueno | HenryG: I guess kilo is a candidate if there is no user | 15:01 |
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HenryG | nati_ueno: How do we check for users? | 15:02 |
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nati_ueno | HenryG: I know at least one user. and also we will notify it on the mailing list | 15:02 |
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nati_ueno | HenryG: I need to go. Let's talk later if you have more quests | 15:04 |
nati_ueno | s/quest/questions/ | 15:04 |
HenryG | nati_ueno: Thanks! ttyl | 15:04 |
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amotoki | mestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129635/ just some cleanup on specs HTML document | 15:17 |
mestery | amotoki: Cool, thanks! | 15:17 |
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ZZelle | mestery, hi | 15:51 |
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mestery | ZZelle: Yo! | 15:51 |
ZZelle | mestery, it's a little bit annoying that juno:kilo specs are mixed in review.o.o | 15:52 |
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mestery | ZZelle: True, I'm not sure there is a nice way to clean that up though, can you think of one? | 15:53 |
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ZZelle | mestery, so i was wondering if we could a test in order to raise a Verified: -1 by jenkins if a change creates a new file in juno folder(s) | 15:53 |
ZZelle | s/could/could add/ | 15:54 |
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mestery | ZZelle: That sounds like a nice idea actually! | 15:55 |
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amotoki | or you can use more specific query: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-specs+file:%255Especs/kilo/.*,n,z | 15:56 |
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ZZelle | mestery, what would be the correct criteria? -1 if the change creates a file in juno folders? -1 if the change updates or creates a file in juno folders? | 15:57 |
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mestery | ZZelle: -1 sounds good to me, we won't be adding anything there. | 15:59 |
mestery | ZZelle: I'd +2 a patch like that for neutron-specs | 16:00 |
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ZZelle | mestery, ok | 16:00 |
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ZZelle | mestery, i am on it :) | 16:00 |
mestery | ZZelle: Thank you sir! :) | 16:00 |
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marun | emagana: ping | 16:17 |
emagana | Hi | 16:17 |
emagana | maru: What's up? Besides the sky :-) | 16:17 |
marun | emagana: Thank you for your comments on the peer review proposal! | 16:17 |
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emagana | marun: Sorry that I couldn't added them before.. | 16:18 |
marun | emagana: I've done my best to answer them, please feel free to follow up with me if I haven't answered to your satisfaction or you have more questions. | 16:18 |
emagana | marun: I will do that! Thank you for taking the time.. | 16:18 |
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marun | emagana: I think it's clear that there wasn't clear guidance as to the timeline for implementation. | 16:18 |
marun | emagana: I'm really sorry for that. | 16:18 |
emagana | marun: Did my questions make sense? Hopefully, I was not out of context | 16:18 |
marun | emagana: Most of them did, yes. A few seemed to be asking questions that were answered farther along, but they were still good opportunities to restate/rephrase for clarity. | 16:19 |
emagana | marun: Not needed! I am happy we are coordinating this to the right direction | 16:19 |
emagana | marun: Great! | 16:19 |
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marun | emagana: The feedback is welcome - I think there were lots of assumptions I didn't document (especially around intent). | 16:20 |
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marun | emagana: The goal is really to get us all thinking about what it means to be core and how we can improve. | 16:20 |
marun | emagana: the survey is just one avenue towards that goal | 16:20 |
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marun | emagana: and honestly, not my favorite way of doing it. | 16:20 |
emagana | marun: I understand it. | 16:20 |
marun | emagana: I would hope we could find less process-heavy ways of accomplishing the same ends once we are all on the same page. | 16:21 |
emagana | marun: We should have an initiative to onboard more devs as cores as well | 16:21 |
marun | emagana: As per one of my comments, that is definitely desirable. | 16:21 |
marun | emagana: I think the first step is firming up what it means to be core, both in the community and in the core team itself. | 16:21 |
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emagana | marun: I got it | 16:22 |
emagana | marun: Yes, it makes sense to understand the level of responsibility and commitment before approaching something | 16:22 |
marun | emagana: Another step will be instituting a mentoring process for potential cores. | 16:23 |
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marun | emagana: Not everyone is capable of meeting expectations by simple participation. | 16:23 |
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marun | emagana: And I think we need more diversity in the core team - not just certain kinds of people. | 16:23 |
marun | emagana: But, baby steps :) | 16:23 |
emagana | marun: Hopesully, we can rephrase the problem statement, it feels like having a mechanism to revoke core membership that really a process to improve the review quality | 16:24 |
emagana | marun: just my two cents | 16:24 |
marun | emagana: Fair enough | 16:24 |
marun | emagana: I think there are 2 sides to the coin | 16:24 |
emagana | It says: once membership has been granted it is almost never revoked or relinquished | 16:24 |
marun | emagana: which is true. | 16:24 |
emagana | marun: sure | 16:24 |
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emagana | marun: I agree with that... | 16:25 |
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marun | emagana: The problem statement isn't necessarily what we are fixing immediately with the survey, and I can understand that it isn't clear. | 16:25 |
marun | emagana: If we can develop a shared sense of what it means to be core, than everyone will know where they stand. | 16:25 |
emagana | in my school time, problem statement was the base of the research for a solution ;-) | 16:25 |
emagana | marun: I second that! | 16:26 |
marun | emagana: And if the expectation exceeds what someone can or wants to contribute at a given point of time, maybe they don't belong on core for a while. | 16:26 |
marun | emagana: If the expectations are clear, they should be able to get back quickly. | 16:26 |
marun | emagana: That is how most other projects seem to work. | 16:26 |
emagana | marun: That is a good point! | 16:27 |
emagana | This is why we need to be clear on time commitment! | 16:27 |
emagana | marun: | 16:27 |
marun | emagana: The goal isn't to be pejorative - hopefully every core would know whether they are meeting the expectations of their peers and the community so they could decide themselves. | 16:27 |
marun | emagana: I think we need to find qualitative measures. | 16:27 |
marun | emagana: things like review stats or time spent are poor indicators of effort required. | 16:27 |
emagana | marun: Because, the amount of reviews with quality and community involved requires quite amount of time.. | 16:28 |
marun | emagana: And if someone finds that core responsibilities are taking too much time, hopefully we could discuss ways of figuring it out. | 16:28 |
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marun | emagana: Maybe we need more cores | 16:28 |
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marun | emagana: Maybe we need fewer reviews (i.e. more focus) | 16:28 |
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emagana | marun: That is a good point.. yes we really need more cores and less commits!! :-) | 16:28 |
marun | emagana: I would hope that if everyone was more project focused we could have these kinds of hard conversations. | 16:29 |
marun | emagana: prioritizing means that not everyone gets what they want, after all. | 16:29 |
emagana | marun: ;-) | 16:29 |
marun | emagana: But I don't think we can continue pretending that we can do everything with the limited resources we have. | 16:29 |
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marun | emagana: So, first step: find ways to make the core review team more effective. | 16:30 |
marun | emagana: second step, find ways to grow that team | 16:30 |
emagana | marun: Yes, absolutely! Maybe removing vendor-specific code from tree :-) | 16:30 |
marun | and alongside, make sure we're prioritizing explicitly rather than just letting things slide. | 16:30 |
marun | emagana: ++ to that | 16:30 |
emagana | marun: Ok, I will review your answers and comment if needed. Thanks for driving this great initiative | 16:30 |
marun | emagana: I look forward to lots of good discussion at summit around all of these topics. | 16:30 |
marun | emagana: appreciated, thank you! :) | 16:31 |
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emagana | marun: looking forward to seeing you in Paris | 16:31 |
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mestery | Am I too late to get a hug here emagana and marun? :) | 16:31 |
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mestery | emagana: Thanks for your comments on the etherpad, they are greatly appreciated! :) | 16:32 |
emagana | mestery: You can get as many as you want... ;-) | 16:32 |
mestery | emagana: Heh :) | 16:32 |
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emagana | mestery: Hugs just hugs! | 16:32 |
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mestery | emagana: Ha! | 16:33 |
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emagana | mestery: ;-) | 16:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove use_namespaces from RouterInfo Property https://review.openstack.org/129715 | 17:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/129718 | 17:25 |
openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/129718 | 17:25 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: mock.assert_called_once() is not a valid method https://review.openstack.org/123430 | 17:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Don't run a query to check if the network exists https://review.openstack.org/122883 | 17:37 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Modify docstring on send_delete_port_request in N1kv plugin https://review.openstack.org/129531 | 17:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Abhishek Raut proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 mechanism driver for Cisco Nexus1000V https://review.openstack.org/128812 | 19:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/129718 | 19:39 |
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Sabrii | I'm trying to create a network without a subnet (i.e. l2 bridging only). However, neutron doesn't like it. How can I tell neutron that it's just fine? | 19:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move disabling of metadata and ipv6_ra to _destroy_router_namespace https://review.openstack.org/129739 | 20:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Tighten up try/except block around rpc call https://review.openstack.org/130021 | 20:21 |
openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove use_namespaces from RouterInfo Property https://review.openstack.org/129715 | 20:21 |
openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Eliminate unnecessary indirection in L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/129718 | 20:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions https://review.openstack.org/130030 | 20:32 |
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ZZelle_ | mestery, hi (bis) | 20:38 |
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mestery | ZZelle_: Hi sir! | 20:38 |
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ZZelle_ | mestery, done! https://review.openstack.org/130030 | 20:39 |
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mestery | ZZelle_: Wow, fast work sir! Looking. | 20:39 |
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ZZelle_ | mestery, the check could be finer (disallow only create or disallow create/update) | 20:39 |
mestery | ZZelle_: It's a good first cut though | 20:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions https://review.openstack.org/130030 | 20:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Validate network config (vlan) https://review.openstack.org/126360 | 20:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes https://review.openstack.org/124917 | 20:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions https://review.openstack.org/130030 | 20:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move disabling of metadata and ipv6_ra to _destroy_router_namespace https://review.openstack.org/129739 | 20:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Tighten up try/except block around rpc call https://review.openstack.org/130021 | 20:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Disallow to create/update/delete spec in released versions https://review.openstack.org/130030 | 20:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Only resync DHCP for a particular network when their is a failure https://review.openstack.org/129025 | 21:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes https://review.openstack.org/124917 | 21:27 |
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marun | obondarev: Ok, I'm an idiot. | 21:30 |
openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Validate network config (vlan) https://review.openstack.org/126360 | 21:31 |
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marun | ijw: I don't think we need to anticipate what 'Neutron the integration point' will become. | 22:02 |
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marun | ijw: And ODL, well. Didn't you attend the same design forum as I did? | 22:02 |
ijw | Nope, I was at the OPNFV one but I skived off the ODL one | 22:03 |
marun | ijw: We need to ensure that Neutron is a better integration point. | 22:03 |
marun | ijw: And keep the control plane on life support until something better comes along. | 22:03 |
ijw | Again, the difference is aspiration versus necessarily reality - aspirations can change but they're useful things to have | 22:03 |
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marun | ijw: I think ODL is a long ways off yet. | 22:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move stale namespace cleanup logic out of L3 agent https://review.openstack.org/130052 | 22:04 |
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marun | ijw: Too many architectural astronauts in play, trying to solve the world rather than the problems we have in OpenStack. | 22:04 |
ijw | Quite likely. People *are* using it, but given the quantity of ODL that says nothing, because what one person is using another person is avoiding | 22:04 |
marun | ijw: Frankly, we'd probably be better served rolling our own controller. | 22:04 |
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marun | ijw: that doesn't imply reusing what we have, btw. | 22:05 |
marun | ijw: but orchestrating ovs to do what we do, in a well-tested way? Not exactly rocket science. | 22:05 |
ijw | For OVS and/or LB, I think we'd have to restructure what we have into a different form (if only the idea and not the code). | 22:05 |
ijw | No, indeed. | 22:05 |
marun | ijw: I think taking what odl/ovsdb did is a better starting point. | 22:05 |
ijw | But imagine doing that for DVR | 22:05 |
marun | ijw: odl/ovsdb has dvr support | 22:06 |
marun | ijw: without all the hoops that we had to jump through. | 22:06 |
ijw | Point being that if we were to do this it would be write the new/deprecate the old/delete the old | 22:06 |
marun | ijw: +1 | 22:06 |
marun | ijw: The first step is separation. | 22:06 |
ijw | Cos there are too many teams involved and maybe a bit too much code to simply rewrite in one step | 22:06 |
marun | ijw: Then we can better target the control plane for replacement. | 22:07 |
ijw | Indeed | 22:07 |
marun | ijw: Without impacting the integration point unnecessarily. | 22:07 |
marun | ijw: So, lots to discuss at summit. And potentially actionable for a change. :) | 22:07 |
ijw | Will be interesting cos by implication the backend controllers would be the bits using Rabbit. Neutron-api wouldn't touch it, I think | 22:07 |
marun | That would likely be the case, yes. | 22:07 |
ijw | Anyway, my opinions are now in the document. Actually I'm surprised no-one else had gotten at it | 22:07 |
marun | ijw: people read email on a delay | 22:08 |
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ijw_ | marun: it's not about 'getting' eventlet, it's more about whether you use threads with stackframes when you're trying to deal with potentially 10,000 async conversations. That's usually where you'd switch over to a reactive framework | 22:11 |
marun | eventlet is great for a rest api | 22:11 |
marun | it's not so good for db interaction | 22:11 |
marun | but I think you're getting off on too much of a tangent | 22:12 |
marun | there is an entirely separate session on the api/rpc/etc | 22:12 |
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marun | I would suggest restricting your comments re: things like our concurrency model to that session. | 22:12 |
marun | ijw_: see day 2 | 22:13 |
ijw_ | OK - haven't got past day 1 atm and I'm in a meeting at the same time ;) | 22:13 |
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marun | ijw_: no stress, just trying to keep you focused :) | 22:13 |
ijw_ | Happy with logic ;) | 22:14 |
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marun | ijw_: I think we're going to have to focus on big issues around a potential split. | 22:14 |
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ijw_ | marun: question requiring an opinon: if we were to do this, is ML2 controller side? | 22:15 |
marun | ijw_: There are going to be lots of details that aren't really all that contentious, even if they are interesting. | 22:15 |
marun | ijw_: _that_ is a very contentious issue that will require discussion | 22:15 |
ijw_ | mmm... | 22:15 |
marun | ijw_: ml2 in its current form is proving very problematic from a maintenance perspective. | 22:16 |
ijw_ | Also, we're taking a major chunk of openstack code and proposing making a very nearly non-openstack project (in that it's probably the first thing that's completely optional and replaceable by something non-Openstack) | 22:16 |
marun | ijw_: ? | 22:16 |
marun | ijw_: I'm not sure I agree. | 22:16 |
marun | Or are you talking about 'neutron' vs 'vendor plugins'? | 22:16 |
ijw_ | The 'controller' in this is a whole project that doesn't affect the semantics | 22:16 |
ijw_ | And can be entirely substituted for a vendor plugin, yes | 22:16 |
marun | I think that's entirely appropriate. | 22:17 |
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marun | I mean, there's nothing stopping neutron from saying 'we're going to build a control plane' | 22:17 |
ijw_ | OK, I've got distracted - does the page make sense to you as is? If so I'll go to page 2 | 22:17 |
marun | and do it properly | 22:17 |
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marun | ijw_: I think so | 22:18 |
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ijw_ | Which session did you have in mind for the async stuff? | 22:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Hyper-V: Remove useless use of "else" clause on for loop https://review.openstack.org/129781 | 22:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Soheil Eizadi proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: DHCP Relay Blueprint https://review.openstack.org/105660 | 23:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Edgar Magana proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Commit to verify third-party CI systems https://review.openstack.org/114393 | 23:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Edgar Magana proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Commit to verify third-party CI systems (Neg) https://review.openstack.org/114629 | 23:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add filter for provider network attributes https://review.openstack.org/124917 | 23:59 |
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