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| HenryG | ChuckC: glad you got it working | 00:25 |
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| ChuckC | HenryG: thanks, but unit tests still fail, but haven't had time to look into it yet | 00:25 |
| HenryG | ChuckC: it is a one-time system setup, so you don't need to do it again once it works | 00:26 |
| ChuckC | HenryG: sounds good. Maybe when I'm done I'll write something up. | 00:26 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: ping | 01:19 |
| armax | kevinbenton: | 01:19 |
| armax | hi | 01:19 |
| kevinbenton | armax: let me know if the explanation i gave in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125882/ makes sense | 01:20 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and if you think it should live in the commit message | 01:20 |
| armax | kevinbenton: gotcha thanks for following up | 01:20 |
| kevinbenton | is something like that relevant for the commit message? | 01:21 |
| armax | kevinbenton: well it sounds like churn for churn’s sake | 01:22 |
| armax | kevinbenton: but that would have helped I guess | 01:22 |
| armax | kevinbenton: at least it would helped me :) | 01:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: well it bothered me because it’s the only spot that doesn’t instantiate the class | 01:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: it will break in the future if we ever do something other than isinstance | 01:23 |
| kevinbenton | armax: like make make plugins implement a has_plugin_interface method or something | 01:23 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: queue is pretty light now that I am on it, I’ll nudge it i | 01:24 |
| armax | n | 01:24 |
| kevinbenton | armax: let me update the commit message really quick | 01:24 |
| armax | kevinbenton: no need | 01:24 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 01:24 |
| armax | IMO | 01:24 |
| armax | kevinbenton: next time please do provide that insighful content on the commit msg | 01:25 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i wasn’t sure if a “why this happened to work before” message mattered, but I can see how as a reviewer it would be confusing to see a change from a class to an object having no apparent effect | 01:26 |
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| manishg_ | kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124917/ | 01:58 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: I hope you don't mind, I need to rebase https://review.openstack.org/126407 on top of https://review.openstack.org/117799 | 02:13 |
| manishg_ | running unit test on latest master seems to be failing - was fine this morning. using tox. output - http://paste.openstack.org/show/119221/ anyone else seeing this? | 02:14 |
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| mtreinish | HenryG: hey, if you've got time do you want to take over my migration test with data patch. I don't think I'm going to have the time to push it forward | 02:21 |
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| HenryG | mtreinish: Sure can do. I'll work with Ann on it. Thanks for getting it started. | 02:24 |
| mtreinish | HenryG: cool, thanks | 02:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fix setup of Neutron core plugin in VPNaaS UT https://review.openstack.org/125882 | 02:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Skip IPv6 Tests in the OpenContrail plugin https://review.openstack.org/126407 | 02:31 |
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| trinaths | Hi, Good Morning all | 04:36 |
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| disideris | need some help with neutron and opendaylight integfation | 07:00 |
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| disideris | instances not gettting ip | 07:00 |
| disideris | when using opendaylight mechanism driver | 07:00 |
| disideris | and odl draws only switches not connections between them | 07:00 |
| disideris | any clue | 07:01 |
| disideris | ? | 07:01 |
| disideris | i have 3 node installation and using ml2 plugin | 07:01 |
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| ajo | the review announcements are gone | 12:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleg Bondarev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L3: handle failures in auto-rescheduling task https://review.openstack.org/126548 | 12:57 |
| jschwarz | ajo, ^ it's back! :O | 12:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add portsecurity extension support https://review.openstack.org/126552 | 13:13 |
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| disideris | does anyone know this error ERROR neutron.plugins.ml2.managers [req-af766e53-1f6f-498f-ba95-d454d2e3ca79 None] Mechanism driver 'opendaylight' failed in update_port_postcommit | 13:50 |
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| disideris | ERROR neutron.openstack.common.rpc.amqp [req-af766e53-1f6f-498f-ba95-d454d2e3ca79 None] Exception during message handling | 13:51 |
| disideris | any idea? | 13:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implements the ProcessMonitor in the l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/114931 | 13:57 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: I don't think that you should have changed my patch to depend on anything | 13:57 |
| sc68cal | also you did not wait for my permission before you did so | 13:57 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: My apologies :( | 13:59 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: My patch https://review.openstack.org/126352 needed to depend on both yours and https://review.openstack.org/117799 | 14:00 |
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| HenryG | sc68cal: First I tried rebasing https://review.openstack.org/117799 on yours, but armax shot that down | 14:02 |
| jschwarz | emagana, Multinode for which feature? | 14:04 |
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| emagana | jschwarz: Neutron with VXLAN tunnels | 14:04 |
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| jschwarz | emagana, I'm coding a framework for testing multiple l3 agents (and ovs agents) on a single node for L3 HA | 14:05 |
| jschwarz | emagana, not multinode but close to that :) | 14:05 |
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| emagana | My multinode set-up is simple just one controller/compute and one more compute | 14:06 |
| emagana | jschwarz: My ovs agent on the second compute is not being registered in the controller and therefore VM failed to start in that compute | 14:06 |
| jschwarz | emagana, 'neutron agent-list' only shows one ovs agent? | 14:07 |
| emagana | jschwarz: correct! | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | emagana, perhaps both have the same hostname? | 14:07 |
| emagana | jschwarz: No, I already verified that | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | try changing the 'host' configuration to something else in neutron.conf | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | ah | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | no error logs on the ovs process when it starts? neutron-server? | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | HenryG: First - you did not wait for my permission, and second you put it in a patch series that needs a lot of consensus built before it can merge. I would prefer that the patch merge in by itself. It has approval to merge but since it's in the middle of a series it will not be merged | 14:07 |
| emagana | jschwarz: I Just can't find any error or any way to troubleshoot this | 14:07 |
| jschwarz | emagana, try 'iptables -F' and 'setenforce 0' on both nodes | 14:08 |
| jschwarz | then restart the ovs agent | 14:08 |
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| emagana | jschwarz: ok, I will try that! | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | let me know | 14:09 |
| emagana | jschwarz: setenforce is not installed by default in ubuntu right? | 14:12 |
| HenryG | sc68cal: :( :( Please accept my apologies. I did not mean to cause problems for your patch. Please go ahead and rebase on master, and let me know if there is any way I can help to repair the damage I have caused you. | 14:12 |
| jschwarz | emagana, I think SELinux comes by default since Ubuntu 12.04 or something like that | 14:13 |
| jschwarz | emagana, setenforce is part of the SELinux package imo | 14:13 |
| emagana | jschwarz: It is not in 14.04 | 14:13 |
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| jschwarz | emagana, okies. iptables -F no go? | 14:14 |
| emagana | jschwarz: I tried just that but it did not help | 14:15 |
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| jschwarz | emagana, :( | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, ping | 14:18 |
| markmcclain | jschwarz: pong | 14:18 |
| ihrachyshka | jschwarz: ubuntu, huh? they use apparmor afaik | 14:18 |
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| jschwarz | markmcclain, could you remove the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/ please? it was deferred to Kilo and now it should be free for review :) | 14:19 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachyshka, ahh that's right! emagana, try dmesg or /var/log/messages on both nodes to see if the kernel is blocking anything | 14:20 |
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| emagana | jschwarz: let me check | 14:22 |
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| markmcclain | jschwarz: hmmm.. this one is an in betweener | 14:22 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, how so? | 14:22 |
| markmcclain | it is a micro feature | 14:22 |
| markmcclain | also this code is likely to see significant refactoring juno | 14:23 |
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| jschwarz | markmcclain, what do you propose? | 14:23 |
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| jschwarz | markmcclain, I would argue btw, that while it might seem like a new micro feature, the functionality already exists for the get_port code in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/6/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 14:27 |
| jschwarz | markmcclain, the patch tries to make the process of adding more filtering which falls under that case more streamlined, and the original code more maintanable | 14:28 |
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| ramishra | mestery, markmcclain, can you please review this patch for stable/icehouse https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122312/. Very simple fix for the monolithic nexus plugin bug. | 14:31 |
| mestery | ramishra: Will do, we're in the weekly now,. | 14:32 |
| ramishra | mestery: thanks | 14:32 |
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| mestery | ramishra: That needs to land in master and be cherry-picked back to stable/icehouse. | 14:35 |
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| matrohon | Hi, does any core can have a look at this : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116924/ | 14:35 |
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| ramishra | mestery: nexus monolithic has been removed from the master.. hence stable/icehouse..Earlier pacth ..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119559/ | 14:36 |
| mestery | ramishra: Ah, can you note on that review? Or maybe I missed it. | 14:36 |
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| ramishra | mestery: It's there in the commit message | 14:37 |
| ramishra | mestery: can you revert to your +2? :) | 14:40 |
| mestery | ramishra: Doing it now | 14:40 |
| ramishra | mestery: thanks | 14:41 |
| mestery | ramishra: done | 14:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor _process_routers to handle a single router https://review.openstack.org/125803 | 14:58 |
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| judf | Hi guys, i'm looking for an install guide for VPNaas. Any advice ? | 15:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/122646 | 15:21 |
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| mestery | markmcclain salv-orlando armx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122646/12 | 15:23 |
| mestery | markmcclain salv-orlando armax: we need that for RC2, per ttx. | 15:23 |
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| armax | mestery: I am on it | 15:24 |
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| mestery | armax: Thanks sir! | 15:24 |
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| ChuckC | pd | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | HenryG: so I was just chatting with mtreinish | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | HenryG: who said you were going to work on adding some tests to the neutron db | 15:43 |
| HenryG | anteaya: yes | 15:43 |
| anteaya | HenryG: to improve confidence in upgrading migrations? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | he said you only chatted about it last night, so I don't expect you have done anything yet | 15:44 |
| anteaya | just trying to stay up to date | 15:45 |
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| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: hi | 16:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | ChuckC: hi | 16:28 |
| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: hey, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122880/? | 16:28 |
| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: I actually haven't changed much | 16:28 |
| carl_baldwin | ChuckC: Yes, I can take a look today. | 16:29 |
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| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: thanks | 16:29 |
| carl_baldwin | ChuckC: yw | 16:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Manish Godara proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Validate network config (vlan) https://review.openstack.org/126360 | 16:55 |
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| manishg | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-agent-soft-restart -- what's the status of this or any other similar blueprint? any ideas? | 17:02 |
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| manishg | asadoughi, yt? | 17:07 |
| asadoughi | manishg: hi | 17:07 |
| manishg | asadoughi: I see you are working on the ovs-firewall bp. I was wondering if you know anything about the soft-restart bp status. there is no assignee but it maybe related to the firewall bp (since with firewalls the possible impact of restart could be more severe), right? | 17:09 |
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| manishg | asadoughi: if no one is working on it I could start scoping it out. | 17:12 |
| asadoughi | manishg: not sure the current status. i would check the neutron-specs repo or Gerrit's neutron-specs. | 17:12 |
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| manishg | asadoughi: thanks. will do. | 17:13 |
| asadoughi | my personal opinion these days is that no agent features should be implemented until the agent architecture is refactored (modular l2 agent bp). | 17:13 |
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| manishg | asadoughi: yep, agree, will be looking into that with banix as well. | 17:14 |
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| asadoughi | ok, cool. | 17:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/126632 | 17:41 |
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| HenryG | carl_baldwin, salv-orlando, armax: If you get a chance please take a look at this devstack patch for IPv6: https://review.openstack.org/87987 | 17:54 |
| zojoncj | Could someone please help point me in the right direction? I restarted neutron on my network node, now every port on my external network is down. | 17:54 |
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| armax | HenryG: have you considered having 4+6 as default? | 17:56 |
| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Sync oslo-incubator module log https://review.openstack.org/117491 | 17:56 |
| ChuckC | salv-orlando: thanks for your work yesterday on vmware CI, my latest recheck passed :) | 17:56 |
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| HenryG | armax: I have thought about it, but I am not sure about doing it as part of that patch. | 17:57 |
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| armax | HenryG: getting stuff merged in devstack is painful enough :) | 17:58 |
| armax | HenryG: what about tempests tests today? would tests benefit from having IPv6 enabled? | 17:59 |
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| armax | I’ll have a look at the patch, perhaps we’d want a separate infra job that tests the dual stack | 18:00 |
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| HenryG | armax: Tempest tests do their own thing. Not really dependent on this devstack patch. | 18:00 |
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| armax | HenryG: I know, but today we only have tempest network API tests that exercise the IPv6 stuck | 18:02 |
| armax | *stack | 18:02 |
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| armax | HenryG: ultimately wouldn’t we want to have scenario tests that exercise IPv6 too? | 18:03 |
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| armax | the devstack patch you point us at should be instrumental to that, no? | 18:03 |
| HenryG | armax: Yes. There are quite a few v6 scenario tests being worked on. | 18:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | garyk proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Sync oslo-incubator module log https://review.openstack.org/117491 | 18:06 |
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| HenryG | armax: Even if devstack is started with IP_VERSION=4, tempest scenario tests can still create v6 subnets after the fact. | 18:08 |
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| armax | HenryG: right, the patch is just for tuning the stack for the default network elements provisioned during stack.sh | 18:10 |
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| HenryG | armax: Oh, I just remembered a reason for not making 4+6 the default yet: it doesn't work with DVR. | 18:15 |
| armax | HenryG: even if DVR is not ON by default? | 18:15 |
| HenryG | armax: no no no :) | 18:15 |
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| HenryG | armax: IP_VERSION=4+6 with Q_DVR_MODE=ON doesn't work. See Brian's comments in patch set 36. cc: haleyb | 18:17 |
| armax | HenryG: right, that’s what I am saying | 18:17 |
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| HenryG | armax: I meant Q_DVR_MODE=dvr_snat | 18:18 |
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| armax | HenryG: oh | 18:18 |
| HenryG | What's the default? Q_DVR_MODE=legacy? The default works fine with 4+6. | 18:19 |
| armax | legacy | 18:19 |
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| HenryG | I have tested with no Q_DVR_MODE setting in my localrc, with 4+6 and 6 only. | 18:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Teach DHCP Agent about DVR router interfaces https://review.openstack.org/126079 | 18:34 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: hey. what can be included in rc2? can we consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126235/ for inclusion? though not an urgent thing, but something nice to have to close all the remaining bits for the first oslo.messaging based release. or should we really wait till the second stable release for that? | 19:00 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: You've seen this one, yes? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122646/13 | 19:01 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: ttx wanted that one to land in master and then in RC2, so we can take your patch to remove kombu as well for both master and RC2. | 19:02 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: I saw that. I don't understand why we need to revert my patch in master just to re-apply it later (?) | 19:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: why not just dropping that unneeded re-introduction of kombu dependency in master? | 19:06 |
| ChuckC | carl_baldwin: hey, I forgot to remind you to submit a bug for 122880 | 19:06 |
| carl_baldwin | ChuckC: thanks. | 19:07 |
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| manishg | kevinbenton: updated both -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124917/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126360/ | 19:08 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: how about me uploading a version of the patch without that kombu dep reintroduced, and we merge it? | 19:08 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I am very much keen on that, thanks! | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/122646 | 19:12 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: ^^ | 19:12 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: +2, thanks for cleaning that up! | 19:13 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Once it lands in master, we can propose it for RC2 as well. | 19:13 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/126632 | 19:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow port mac_address to be modified https://review.openstack.org/112129 | 19:13 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: hm, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126632/2 (just posted above) | 19:13 |
| ihrachyshka | I guess this is the one to be merged?.. how did we end with two openstack bot requests? ;) | 19:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow port mac_address to be modified https://review.openstack.org/112129 | 19:14 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I have no idea, ttx asked me to rebase the first one. | 19:15 |
| mestery | But yeah, the second one looks good to me. :) | 19:15 |
| mestery | I'll abandon the first one you just pushed a review out for. | 19:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/126680 | 19:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Haley proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Teach DHCP Agent about DVR router interfaces https://review.openstack.org/126079 | 19:23 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: note that this one actually adds some new dependencies in test-requirements.txt. No idea where they came from, the history of the review is looong | 19:23 |
| mestery | Ack | 19:23 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, hi | 19:31 |
| mestery | ZZelle_yo! | 19:31 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, i am looking for the etherpad listing blueprints for kilo / potential subjects to address during design summit | 19:33 |
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| ZZelle_ | mestery, and fail to find it :s | 19:33 |
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| mestery | ZZelle: One second and I will grab it | 19:36 |
| mestery | ZZelle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 19:37 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, thanks | 19:37 |
| mestery | ZZelle: sure np! | 19:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Forbid update of HA property of routers https://review.openstack.org/126706 | 19:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Forbid update of HA property of routers https://review.openstack.org/126706 | 19:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Forbid update of HA property of routers https://review.openstack.org/126706 | 19:52 |
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| amuller | mestery: carl_baldwin: armax: I proposed a patch that blocks migration of HA routers to master and proposed/juno | 20:03 |
| amuller | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I4171ab481e3943e0110bd9a300d965bbebe44871,n,z | 20:03 |
| amuller | Appreciate if you could take a look | 20:03 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Will do | 20:03 |
| amuller | Verified that it works on a local setup | 20:04 |
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| zilberstein | good evening #openstack-neutron | 20:04 |
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| zilberstein | When neutron starts, it associates first IP from allocation pool of external network to interface in router's namespace. | 20:05 |
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| zilberstein | Why it need this interface ? | 20:05 |
| zilberstein | It is a waste | 20:05 |
| zilberstein | I don't have that many IP addresses | 20:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: It should have a new bug tagged with juno-rc-potential for tracking. | 20:05 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: Separate from the current migration bug? | 20:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Right. I’m pretty sure that they will want a bug to track the disabling of PUT for this field separate from the migration since we’re tracking juno so closely. | 20:08 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: Ok I'll do that | 20:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Great. | 20:08 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, hi | 20:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: hi | 20:16 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, do you know about a BP allowing to delegate subnet cidr choice to neutron? | 20:17 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I don’t know of one. However, I haven’t looked much at BPs since SAD. | 20:18 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i got twice such requirements for private IaaS without snat/floatingip | 20:19 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, i was wondering if it would make sense for neutron to propose such feature? | 20:20 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, as an extension or in IPAM? | 20:20 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: So, you mean to leave the subnet address range (cidr) unspecified so that neutron will choose it? | 20:21 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, exactly the opposite of provider network but for subnets! | 20:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: I’m not following. | 20:29 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: it’s the same but different ;-) | 20:29 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, kevinbenton, indee | 20:30 |
| ZZelle_ | d | 20:30 |
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| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, such feature would allow not to specify subnet cidr on creation and let neutron chooses it | 20:31 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle_: yes, we have run into this as well for a more enterprisey deployment where NAT internally causes more problems than it solves | 20:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: Right, that’s what I thought. It was the provider network reference in response to my question that threw me off. But, I think I’m following now. | 20:33 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle_: so the idea is to disable NAT and then take away subnet specification from the tenants because they could no longer be trusted with it | 20:33 |
| kevinbenton | the issue i was thinking of though is that you almost need a full quota management system for the IP addresses at that point | 20:34 |
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| kevinbenton | becuase you want tenants to be able to request subnets larger than /24 if necessary | 20:35 |
| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: It is worth floating on the ML to see if there is much interest. I have questions already like “how will Neutron choose?” “Will the tenant still have any control over the pool from which it chooses?” “Does the tenant still choose the network size?”, etc. | 20:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | Will there be a need to look across multiple tenants’ usage of IPs? | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Forbid update of HA property of routers https://review.openstack.org/126706 | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | neutron choosing becomes even more interesting if the size is left up to the tenant because then you have to find the best location to fit smaller and larger ones in the pool | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: in the use case we needed, yes | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: because IPs become global | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle_: is that the same for yours? | 20:36 |
| rkukura_ | ZZelle_, carl_baldwin, kevinbenton: I’ve seen usage patterns where a shared external network is used directly by tenant VMs when they need non-NAT public IPs, but normal private tenant networks are used when external inbound access is not needed. | 20:37 |
| ZZelle_ | kevinbenton, carl_baldwin, disabling NAT implies possible troubles with enterprise existing networks so you need to restrict the cidrs they can choose | 20:37 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I updated both patches with a new bug | 20:37 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks. | 20:37 |
| ZZelle_ | but in practice my users don't care about the cidr they get so we can delegate the choice to neutron | 20:37 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura_: yeah, that’s sumilar, but it doesn’t really fit the case where the entire openstack deployment is in a private network | 20:37 |
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| ZZelle_ | rkukura_, it brakes also isolation between tenants | 20:38 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura_: it would be nice to allow tenants to have their own networks | 20:38 |
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| kevinbenton | ZZelle_: +1 | 20:38 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: So, your motivation is to disable NAT and go with routable addresses. ZZelle_: What is the motivation for you? | 20:38 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: my motivation has similar overlap as ZZelle_ as well. user’s almost never care what the cidr is | 20:39 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin: yes | 20:39 |
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| ZZelle_ | ZZelle_, i did a small (and awful) PoC where users can choose their cidrs or delegate the choice* | 20:40 |
| ZZelle_ | * they can specify the cidr size or neutron uses the default one | 20:41 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: ZZelle_: They probably shouldn’t care as long as Neutron knows enough to make a good decision. | 20:41 |
| ZZelle_ | carl_baldwin, indeed | 20:41 |
| rkukura_ | ZZelle_, carl_baldwin, kevinbenton: Note that GBP’s resource_mapping driver automatically assigns subnets within an L3Policy that defines a supernet and the size of the subnets that are created within it. | 20:41 |
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| ZZelle_ | rkukura_, so GBP's resource mapping driver allows such behavior? | 20:43 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura_: yes, GBP solves this issue | 20:45 |
| rkukura_ | ZZelle_: Yes. It doesn’t currently really deal with whether the L3Policy’s supernet is routable or uses private IP space, but it probably will eventually use that to decide whether NAT is needed, etc. | 20:45 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura_: what about disabling NAT? | 20:45 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura_: preemptively answered my question! | 20:45 |
| rkukura_ | kevinbenton: thinking similarly, I guess | 20:46 |
| kevinbenton | oh shoot, I have to leave for a bit. ZZelle_, I think what you want should be targeted as part of pluggable IPAM and that refactoring work | 20:46 |
| kevinbenton | ZZelle_: IPAM could have a driver that doesn’t allow user choice | 20:47 |
| rkukura_ | Don’t want to hijack this discussion or go too deep into GBP here, but just thought I should point out that GBP’s purpose is to better support uses cases where application deployers don’t know or care about the details of setting up subnets, routers, … | 20:47 |
| ZZelle_ | kevinbenton, me too | 20:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | ZZelle_: kevinbenton: I hope to revive the pluggable IPAM discussions soon. | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | stephen-ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Delete FIP namespace when last VM is deleted https://review.openstack.org/126176 | 21:09 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: carl_baldwin: ZZelle_: I have a similar use case. Private cloud but heavy data traffic. We want to remove NAT and actually physical devices to customer facing NAT. Internal usage are on a separate range. | 21:16 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: carl_baldwin: ZZelle_: If you guys have a way to diable NAT I'm very interested. | 21:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | JayJ: noted. We have no way currently but we are certainly brainstorming something along those lines. | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: right now there isn’t a way with the default implementation | 21:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | JayJ: So, you’re limited by the performance of NAT in your case? But, you still want to use Neutron’s L3? | 21:23 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: carl_baldwin: ZZelle_: Thanks. Is there some custom suolution that I can put in? Like in using vlan for tenant network then maybe tapping into br-int? My company wants us to deploy this solution in next two months. I was about to start looking into it shortly. Any ideas would help. | 21:23 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: Yes. Curently we are. However, due to performance reasons we want to eliminate L3 NAT | 21:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | JayJ: do you think that a stateless NAT implementation, one that avoids conntrack in L3 may help alleviate the poor performance problem? | 21:25 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: yes, that will help. conntrack is a bottleneck in some of our speed tests we did | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I have been itching to try that out (as you know). | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: do you know if the RAW tables approach you had suggested actually skips conntrack? | 21:26 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Yes, it does. | 21:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, there is something that must be applied in the raw table to skip conntrack. But, yes, that is the idea. | 21:27 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: I have no data to support that. Really don't can't say stateless NAT makes a diff. | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | JayJ: Thanks. | 21:27 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: If I want to try some custom options with icehouse, what would you recommend? | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: http://linux.die.net/man/8/iptables | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | JayJ: The only thing that I can think of at the moment is to allow the external network to be shared. | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: “raw: This table is used mainly for configuring exemptions from connection tracking in combination with the NOTRACK target.” | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: That’s about all I know. I need to get my hands dirty to try it out and learn more. | 21:30 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: thanks. I need to dig into that | 21:30 |
| carl_baldwin | JayJ: This excludes Neutron L3 altogether. | 21:30 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: Are there any documents that you know of that you can point me to? | 21:31 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: you are targeting an icehouse installation right? | 21:31 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: yes | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: i’m not sure what the performance is, but have you tried using a VM attached to each network as a router without NAT? | 21:33 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: That's where I started experimenting. My internal networks are GRE tunnels, which did not help. Instance boots up and it gets an IP but don't know to breakinto the IP space | 21:35 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: i’m not following, what do you mean by breaking into the ip space? | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: if you launch the instance with an interface on each network you shouldn’t have to do anything manually | 21:38 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: Now I think of it, I'm confused too. What I tried over the last weekend was to create a external network and create an instance directly on it. It got an IP as expected but I couldn't ping it or get to it. | 21:40 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: I see, what you are sayign is one NIC on private net and other on the provider net. i did not try that. | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: oh, is your external network untagged? | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: i.e. the L3 agents are configured with a separate external interface | 21:41 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: It is tagged. We have bonded the NICs and we run VLANs. somethinhg like bond0.102@bond0 for provider net | 21:42 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: which is added to br-ex | 21:42 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Would that be a problem to try your suggestion? | 21:44 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: tagged separate interfaces, I mean? | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: yeah, if you use a separate interface for the external network, adding a VM to it wont work as expected | 21:45 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Are you suggesting, private (VM to VM) and provider net on the same interface/vlan? | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: yes, it works fine with VLANs, but I’m not sure how it would work for GRE | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | armax: are you around? I have issues | 21:47 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Thanks again for insights. I am going to configure VLAN based tenant networks and see if that helps. That's what you are also suggesting, if I have not mistaken. Fall back plan is nova-network and no tenants (which is not good but we are a private cloud) | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: yeah, if you do VLAN based, remove the external interface config from the l3 agent and the external network will be vlan tagged like any other | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: then you can setup your external router or whatever onto that same vlan | 21:49 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Yes. That was what I was thinking but honestly don't know where to start :) | 21:49 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Only way is to get my hands dirty and figureout | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: these are the configs that should be blank for the L3 agent | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: https://github.com/bigswitch/neutron/blob/master/etc/l3_agent.ini#L35 | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: https://github.com/bigswitch/neutron/blob/master/etc/l3_agent.ini#L46 | 21:50 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: That helps. Thanks | 21:51 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: oh shoot, i think you will run into an issue with the VM approach not doing NAT. the security groups rules will prevent the traffic from coming out with a different source IP address | 21:52 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: I'll keep you posted. Mostly next week. Currently deploying a 50 node Ceph cluster. Which serves as a data backend for the Cluster that I need build | 21:52 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: ok | 21:53 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Can't the security groups rules not relaxed? | 21:53 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Are you saying no workaround for that? | 21:53 |
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| JayJ | carl_baldwin: Do you have a link or a doc that helps me set one up? | 21:57 |
| JayJ | carl_baldwin: Oppss... sorry... read your old message.. sorry | 21:58 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: sorry, got pulled away for a meeting. i don’t think there is an easy way to work around the security groups in that case | 22:25 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: the allowed address pairs extension allows you to put in specific extra IPs that can come from a node, but there isn’t an allow all that i know of | 22:26 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: So you think only shared net is something I can try? | 22:27 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: yeah, a shared net with the physical router directly attached to it will skip these issues, but that kinda sucks :-( | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: you just end up with one giant network | 22:28 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Same as nova-network :) | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: if you are using VLANs, you could actually have a physical router do the routing by tagging on the matching VLANs | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: it just won’t be visible in neutron | 22:29 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: VLAN for private networks, right? | 22:30 |
| JayJ | which also be provider implicitly | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: yeah | 22:30 |
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| JayJ | kevinbenton: Thanks. | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: so when the tenants create a network, you will be able to see the VLAN tag on the admin panel | 22:31 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Really appricate your thouhgts and spending this time with me. Thank you. | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: and at that point you would manually configure the router | 22:31 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: yes. correct | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: painful but not bad if this is sort of a one-time setup | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | JayJ: no prob | 22:31 |
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| kevinbenton | JayJ: interested to hear what you end up doing | 22:31 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: Yeah.. don't know the future but this should help us a lot | 22:31 |
| JayJ | kevinbenton: I'll keep you posted. Thanks | 22:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove arp notify from delete_port transaction https://review.openstack.org/122880 | 22:46 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ping | 23:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add comments to iptables rules to help debugging https://review.openstack.org/86168 | 23:19 |
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