Wednesday, 2014-08-27

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nunizacui dont see anywhere in code creating of qvb00:03
nunizacumaybe need to dig harder00:03
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nunizacuso nobody got any idea? when i ask on nova channel they will problelby send me here couse all day long im sent to other channel00:24
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beaglesnunizacu: I'm just rejoining for a few minutes (eod here) can you restate your issue for me?00:30
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beaglesnunizacu: you are configuring with OVS or ML2 with OVS mechanism driver?00:32
nunizacuml200:32
nunizacuenabled local, flat and vlan00:33
beaglesnunizacu: your VM is not booting up?00:33
nunizacuno, nova compute complains about no qvb00:34
nunizacui had problem with openvstich but changing api from 1.3 to 1.2 solved it00:34
nunizacubut that was at neutron side00:34
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nunizacuonly log where i see problem i s nova-compute00:35
nunizacui heard nova should create qvb but i dont know why it isnt00:35
beaglesthe bridge is created as part of how security groups are implemented... what version of openstack are you using, the trunk ?00:36
nunizacuno, 14.10 packages 2014.200:37
nunizacui see no problem in changing py files if i know witch is a problem00:37
beaglesmmmm... well, that's just it. I'd be a little surprised if it was the python. It sounds like configuration00:38
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nunizacuis security_group_api = neutron right?00:39
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nunizacui can paste config but i is such mess like hell00:39
nunizacudue to constant changes so i can isolate the problem00:40
beagles1s00:40
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beagleshrmm... I wonder if the ML2 mechanism driver is not passing the VIF detail for enabling the hybrid plug00:46
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beaglesdid you change configurations with existing VMs running or anything like that00:50
nunizacuno00:50
nunizacui did clean nova db, sync00:50
nunizacubefore shuting down and destroying all instances00:51
nunizacuhttp://pastebin.com/nHZ4wmje my nova.conf00:51
nunizacumess like hell so filter #00:51
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nunizacuwell, if openvwtich plugin can support per tenant vpn, virtual networks and similar stuff, maybe i'll change00:53
nunizacubut afair i had problem with iit also vit_type=bund someting00:53
nunizacui tried all 3 vif driver with same result00:54
nunizacui'll check out vif py code as well in meantime00:54
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beaglesthere is only the generic vif driver now as it happens00:56
beaglesthose config values shouldn't do anything00:57
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nunizacui tried hybrid and ovs01:02
nunizacui'll try once more, whats thae mater 3 or 4 days without sleep01:03
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nunizacuhybrid or ovs?01:04
nunizacuthey dont differ that much in code :D01:05
beaglesif you look at the code, you should see that there is no hybrid driver anymore. It is all in the generic VIF driver and alter their behavior depending on flags provided by neutron01:05
beagless/their/its/01:05
nunizacuso what should i change in nova conf01:06
nunizacuor where01:06
nunizacui dont know about flags01:06
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beaglesermm... remove all vif driver things? there is only 101:06
nunizacuchange to generic vif ?01:07
nunizaculook, talk to me like and idiot who programs for 18 years01:07
nunizacuand do networks for 1701:08
beaglesI recommend checking your installed code to make sure we are talking about the proper versions here. If you look at the code, you should see there is no configuration for the vif driver anymore.01:08
nunizacuapt-get says it is 2014.201:08
beaglesI will not vouch for packaging accuracy01:09
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nunizacuwell i see vif clases in code01:13
nunizacubut they arent much different01:13
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nunizacuand i dont see any place where qvb is created01:13
beaglesin nova/virt/libvirt/vif.py you see different VIF driver classes?01:14
nunizacuyes01:14
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nunizacubut i dont see they read option01:16
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beaglesout of curiousity, what are the class names you see01:17
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beaglesI'm not following the ubuntu packaging but I find your purported installed version to be a little surprising. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova01:21
beaglesIt isn't 2014.1.2 you have installed?01:22
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beaglesif so, I'm not sure if the ML2 driver is passing back that flag or not01:22
nunizacuVersion: 1:2014.2~b2-0ubuntu101:22
LiberTerrawhat app was that that looked like a cassette tape01:23
LiberTerraoops. . wrong channel01:23
nunizacui use testing ppa01:23
nunizacuand 14.1001:23
beaglesokay.. full version makes more sense, so that being the case, it is odd that the there are multiple vif classes01:23
rkukurabeagles, nunizacu: You may want to run “neutron port-show <id>” as admin to see the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details values getting passed to nova.01:24
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beaglesanyways... you are looking for problems in that area01:24
beaglesie. the vif information from neutron to nova01:24
beaglesand like rkukura says.. that's one way to find out if it is even there01:24
nunizacui checked vif from top to bottoom, no sign of qvb01:25
beaglesit's not hardcoded01:25
beaglesthe method plug_ovs_hybrid is what you want01:25
nunizacubinding:vif_type      | ovs01:25
beaglesif not linux_net.device_exists(br_name)01:25
beaglesand the following bits set up the bridge01:26
beaglesthere may even be some comments explaining what's happening01:26
beaglesanyways.. its time for ZZzzs in this part of the world01:26
beaglesciao01:26
nunizacuthere is no vif detail section01:27
nunizacuoh no, there is01:27
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nunizacubinding:vif_details   | {"port_filter": true, "ovs_hybrid_plug": true}01:27
nunizacuso problem is somewhere between linuxnet and vif01:27
nunizaculets try hacks01:28
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nunizacui got no idea01:37
nunizacuvif driver is not worth changing becuse it doesnt work01:37
nunizacubut there is a section in one driver in vif other driver that actualy makes that bridge01:38
nunizacui think it is it01:40
nunizacubecuse it has log that is not in log file01:40
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nunizacui got no idea01:53
nunizacui dont see what py file is resposible for creating qvb01:54
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nunizacumaybe neutron doesnt send some info or what01:55
nunizacuturning on debug on neutron resultet in loop and rpc loop in openvswtich.log01:58
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nunizacustill the same03:12
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nunizacuand it seams generic vif is only one03:12
nunizacui must have been too dizzy from sleeping so i seen more03:12
nunizacuany ideas why i dont have qvb and qvo?03:13
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prasoonHello! My fix for bug 1271449 is in the review here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115162/2. Now there are multiple ways of fixing this.03:40
prasoonSo should I change to imports for those constants local to ovs_lib.py and change the imports for the same to elsewhere? Or should I make it independent (have multiple declarations)?03:41
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prasoon_Hello everyone! Please share your feedbacks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115162/2? There are many ways to fix this, I am not sure which one would be the best.04:13
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atmarkHi, is it possible to have a specific range of floating IP for a specific project/tenant? Say tenant1 has floating IP range of 10.106.50.0/24 and tenant2 on the otherhand has 10.106.51.0/2404:38
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yfried_anyone knows how I can push something to gerrit on behalf of a colleague?06:36
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trinathscan some one review this change, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109659/06:47
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jschwarzajo, morning07:39
jschwarzajo, can you possibly look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116832/ for me? :)07:40
ajogm jschwarz07:40
ajosure, i will, in a minute.07:40
jschwarzty :)07:40
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prasoon_Hello everyone! Please share your feedbacks for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115162/2? There are many ways to fix this, I am not sure which one would be the best.07:45
prasoon_should I change to imports for those constants local to ovs_lib.py and change the imports for the same to elsewhere? Or should I make it independent (have multiple declarations)?07:45
mitarunHi Prasoon, I believe having all of them in one place makes it more modular.07:46
mitarunRather than having to declare them multiple times07:47
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trinathscan some one review this change, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109659/08:26
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irenabtrinaths: I am on it right now08:27
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ajojschwarz, looking at your https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116832 patch now08:38
jschwarzajo, thanks :)08:38
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trinathsirenab, thanks for the review.08:44
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, hey :) I just sent the model_query_hooks refactor proposal, and it can be found here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/. Hopefully you can take a look at it and tell me what you think.09:01
jschwarzsalv-orlando, if it is acceptable, I will rebase my get_routers patch on this one so it can be easily streamlined09:01
salv-orlandothanks jschwarz and sorry about the delay I had to fight failures in our CI as well as gate failures in the past two days. Not much time left for reviews.09:01
jschwarzIt's quite alright09:02
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jschwarzsalv-orlando, i'm around so let me know what you think in case you get around to it :)09:03
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amullersalv-orlando: I have a patch with a DB migration and Jenkins is constantly unable to merge, complaining of a conflict, which ends up being in db_migrations/versions/HEAD09:23
amullerThis is happening once a day pretty much, forcing me to rebase every day and losing +1's09:23
amullersalv-orlando: Have you encountered this issue?09:23
salv-orlandoamuller: it’s being designed to fail thsi way09:24
salv-orlandothis happens because somebody else’s migration is merged09:24
amullerI know09:24
salv-orlandoamuller: unfortunately gerrit does not allow us to preserve votes09:24
salv-orlandobecause it thinks is a different patchsets. At least core reviewers however go and spot that the difference is just a rebase09:25
salv-orlandoso you don’t have to go through a new full reivew09:25
salv-orlandoamuller: you might argue that we might be better off without this check09:25
amullerin another project we had the migration files named in alphabetical order, so the most recent file is the head09:26
amullerso there's no need for the explicit HEAD file09:26
amullerand the history chain was basically constructed according to the order of the files09:26
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amullerahh but you'd need to rename your file every time someone else's was merged, so this changes nothing09:27
amullernm09:27
amullerisn't there a way to solve this? =D09:27
amullerseems so trivial09:27
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kevinbentonamuller: switch to a migration system where you just specify the migrations you absolutely require10:05
kevinbentonamuller: then let it go in whatever order it wants10:05
kevinbentonamuller: as long as it satisfies the few order constraints10:06
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jschwarzmarun, good morning :)10:09
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marunjschwarz: don't you mean 'good afternoon?' :)10:09
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jschwarzmarun, I do ;-)10:09
jschwarzmarun, well, actually noon (13:09)10:09
jschwarzmarun, regarding that whole refactor business, I ended up finding time to try a refactor the model_query_hooks system10:09
jschwarzmarun, hopefully you can find a time to take a look and tell me what you think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/10:10
jschwarzif you like it I'll refactor the other patch to work well with this one10:10
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amullerkevinbenton: makes sense10:12
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kevinbentonamuller: unfortunately that requires a change to alembic :-)10:12
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amullerkevinbenton: Mr. SQLAlchemy himself is working on oslo db now10:13
kevinbentonamuller: perhaps we can be blessed with a branchable migration path10:14
marunjschwarz: I will try10:14
jschwarzmarun, thanks10:14
marunkevinbenton, amuller: didn't we want to get away from a branchable path?10:14
kevinbentonmarun: probably, most of the ideas i think are cool turn out to be terribly wrong10:15
marunkevinbenton: I think in theory a branchable path is workable, but it proved pretty terrible for us this past year.10:15
marunkevinbenton: maybe we were doing it wrong, though.10:15
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kevinbentonmarun: oh, we are talking about different things10:16
marunkevinbenton: ah, my apologies10:16
kevinbentonmarun: you are talking about plugin dependent migrations, right?10:16
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marunkevinbenton: maybe, although I seem to recall the service migrations were the real pain point10:17
kevinbentonmarun: right10:17
marunkevinbenton: what is the usecase here?10:17
kevinbentonmarun: what I’m referring to is multiple migration files referring to the same parent migration file10:17
kevinbentonmarun: then alembic understands that they can be executed in any order10:18
marunjschwarz: this new refactor, does it invalidate your previous change proposals?10:18
kevinbentonmarun: so we can avoid this issue where we keep getting merge conflicts every time something goes into master10:18
kevinbentonmarun: that makes a db modification10:18
marunkevinbenton: how to ensure the migrations are logically independent?10:19
marunkevinbenton: so that no conflict is possible?10:19
marunkevinbenton: would that be a feature that alembic would grow, or would folks just have to be careful?10:19
kevinbentonmarun: probably requires people being careful, which always backfires10:19
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jschwarzmarun, in part - the get_routers part is still necessary as it was the original bug i'm trying to fix, but the refactor is practically old-news10:20
kevinbentonmarun: right. the more i think about it the dumber it is10:20
kevinbentonmarun: if two migrations depend on the same parent and modify the same table the outcome would be unpredictable if ordering wasn’t guarunteed10:20
marunkevinbenton: :/10:20
jschwarzmarun, I didn't attach it to the previous change proposals because I didn't know if you and salv would approve it.. if you do like it I will gladly continue working on the others10:21
marunkevinbenton: it seems like a superset of normal merge conflicts.10:21
marunjschwarz: gotcha10:21
marunjschwarz: I would recommend adding pointers in the commit messages so it's clear to reviewers what's going on.10:21
jschwarzmarun, such as?10:22
kevinbentonmarun: trades easy to resolve git merge conflicts with terrible terrible unpredictable database states :-)10:22
marunkevinbenton: fun times :)10:22
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marunjschwarz: a link to the related reviews might make sense, and/or a link to the related bug.10:23
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jschwarzmarun, I will add them to the next patchset10:23
marunjschwarz: you can resubmit with just a changed commit message and jenkins is smart enough to notice that and not rerun the jobs10:24
jschwarzmarun, cool, didn't know that :) either way jenkins failed on some tests so I need to fix them up10:24
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kevinbentonmarun: is that true still? I thought it just carried votes forward but still re-ran tests10:26
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pcm_salv-orlando: ping10:55
salv-orlandohello pcm_ how can I help you?10:56
pcm_salv-orlando: Is there an issue with Jenkins right now?10:56
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pcm_My latest patchset 114345, failed all Jenkins tests. All tests seem to be failing on file subunit2cvs not found.10:57
salv-orlandonot that I am aware of. We have hits because of bug 134961710:57
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* salv-orlando checking patch 11434510:57
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pcm_I'm seeing:10:58
pcm_error: file '/home/jenkins/workspace/gate-neutron-pep8/.tox/pep8/build/python-subunit/filters/subunit2cvs' does not exist10:58
* salv-orlando found error checking impact with logstash10:58
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salv-orlandopcm_: it has been a transient issue which hit the gate for about 45 minutes around 1AM GMT11:02
pcm_salv-orlando: So use logstash and then search for error message? (trying to understand how to use this)11:02
salv-orlandopcm_: check here: http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOlwicHl0aG9uLXN1YnVuaXQvZmlsdGVycy9zdWJ1bml0MmN2c1wiIEFORCBtZXNzYWdlOlwiZXhpc3RcIiIsImZpZWxkcyI6W10sIm9mZnNldCI6MCwidGltZWZyYW1lIjoiNDMyMDAiLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsidXNlcl9pbnRlcnZhbCI6MH0sInN0YW1wIjoxNDA5MTM3Mjg4NzY2fQ==11:02
pcm_Ah, I see that.Cool!11:03
pcm_Looks like someone did a recheck on my review, so I'll wait to see if it works this time. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't major breakage.11:04
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pcm_salv-orlando: Thanks!11:04
salv-orlandopcm_: np11:04
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salv-orlandoakamyshnikova: I’m not sure I understood your comment on the havana initial patch11:49
salv-orlandoakamyshnikova: you said there 5 tables which are part of havana initial but do not exist in models, and this might be ok (I agree because those tables were part of havana state but not icehouse)11:50
salv-orlandoakamyshnikova: for the other comment I’m not sure what you mean? Is that about the thing with heal_script non being idempotent?11:50
akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, hi11:51
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, no, the other part of comment is not about it. It is about errors like http://paste.openstack.org/show/100525/ when I run downgrade on master. This is not problems of your change.11:53
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salv-orlandoright. This is because we don’t test downgrade. I’m sure I’ve already seen these errors, but I dont remember where does this migration sit in the timeline11:54
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, about tables, I mean that after merging new havana initial models will be not synchronized with migrations for all plugins, except NEC, so may be make migration that remove that tables unconditional too/11:55
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salv-orlandook… for the previous error migration 511471 is between folsom and grizzly11:56
salv-orlandothis is why I ignored the failure in downgrade11:56
salv-orlandowith havana initial we’re getting rid of it anyway11:56
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, ok, I try to downgrade to much :) I will test this later one more time11:59
salv-orlandoWe’ll make upgrade unconditional with a different patch11:59
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: hola12:01
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salv-orlandogood morning kevinbenton12:33
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i’m not sure i understand the point of third party testing anymore12:35
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: (good morning)12:35
salv-orlandowell it’s not a good morning if you wake with this thoughts.12:35
salv-orlandothe point of 3rd party testing in my opinion is to validate drivers and plugins not tested by upstream gate work.12:36
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: right, but why can’t that be handled by essentially one test before the release is cut?12:37
salv-orlandotechnically every 3rd party should have some form of automated qa or ci - what we require with 3rd party testing is to make these informaiton public by voting12:37
salv-orlandokevinbenton: you are correct … at 50%12:37
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: why do we put so much emphasis on testing every patch correctly?12:37
salv-orlandoyou are correct because 3rd party CI should not have a CD requirement12:37
salv-orlandoon the other hand, one check prior to release might no be enough12:38
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if a third party wants to be lazy, the risk is strictly on them that the code will break while their guard is down12:38
salv-orlandoand also as a developer of a plugin I want to let people know (and mostly know myself) if a patch breaks my plugin12:38
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: exactly, you want to do it defensively12:38
salv-orlandocorrect. On the other hand I think CI enforcement should be strict but not pedant12:39
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: but i don’t understand why Neutron as a community has to force plugins to care12:39
salv-orlandolet me explain what I mean by this.12:39
kevinbentonok12:39
salv-orlandoStrict means that you have to prove that your pluhgin or driver really work. And to this aim you have to put it under the same tests as the upstream one.12:39
salv-orlandoNot pedant means that I don’t really care that you vote on every patch. Mostly because I won’t event look at your CI vote.12:40
salv-orlandoI think it’s worth requiring to vote on patches affecting your plugin or driver12:40
ajokevinbenton, sorry for the late -1 on the netns detection code, I should have brought that earlier during review, but I had totally forgotten about the earlier discussions (and resolution) for similar runtime detections :/12:41
salv-orlandovoting on other stuff is entirely optional imho. I sent a list of suggested paths which apparently have been trasnformed into a requirement.12:41
salv-orlandoI have about 60 nodes for running CI tests, and they’re choking with that load.12:41
salv-orlandoI don’t think neither neutron neither infra will ask 3rd party CIs to become clones of the upstream infra setup12:42
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: right, so that makes sense but it stops making sense to me when we consider the possible punishments12:43
ajo(reading the ci conversation, interesting)12:43
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if someone stops voting for even an entire month, who cares if their votes start again and show that everything still works?12:44
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: bringing that to it’s logical conclusion, who cares if someone stops voting for the entire cycle until the release?12:44
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if they ultimately pass12:44
salv-orlandothat would be fine for me. I’ve takend down vmware nsx ci for 24 hours, nobody complained or accused me of anything12:44
kevinbentonajo: no prob with the netns patch, makes sense to me. I just have to look at the sanity framework to adjust my patch12:45
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: there is a tradeoff here I think. If you do not see anything voting for say 4-6 weeks you might start to think that code is bitrotting.12:45
ajokevinbenton, I just could have saved a few hours/iterations on your side if I had remembered, thanks12:45
salv-orlandoI would leave the judgmenet here to common sense.12:46
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salv-orlandoIf a 3rd CI is down for a week or two, I wouldn’t even bother12:46
ajoI agree with salv-orlando +/- here,12:46
ajothe risk is, if you pass CI at the end...12:46
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: yeah, it just seems like we are spending all this time estbalishing regiments for all of these testing boundaries12:46
ajoand you discover it at the end of the cycle... it's going to be much harder to fix, or find the reason that broke it12:46
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salv-orlandoif your CI is down for 2 weeks (or whatever is a reasonable “waiting” time) then I would inquire with the maintainers12:47
salv-orlandoand if I get no reply or no satisfactory reply then I would consider taking action12:47
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: did you had an impression that somebody will impose a requirement of always on CI?12:48
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so the big switch CI that I maintain never puts a -1 on patches12:48
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: it definitely feels like that direction to me12:48
salv-orlandokevinbenton: yeah vmware nsx did so for about 3 monhs12:48
salv-orlandokevinbenton: that would be unreasonable and a waste of community resources for policying cis12:48
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so i’m very paranoid about what our CI is doing12:48
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: I’ve spent an annoying amount of time developing bash scripts to check for failure conditions, etc12:49
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: because i’m afraid if our CI is broken for a day while i’m out drinking or something that our plugin will be deprecated12:50
salv-orlandokevinbenton: I don’t think that will happen12:50
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: no, i assure you that i do drink sometimes :-)12:50
ajolol12:50
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salv-orlandoconsidering you’re already up I think you’re on drugs. But this is another story.12:51
salv-orlandoanyway, I would not agree to deprecation of a plugin/driver only because its CI did not run for one a day or a week12:51
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: no, i’ve just gotten myself on a bad schedule over the past few days wher i go to bed at 8AM or so and then sleep until 2PM or so12:52
salv-orlandoIf I realize that a CI has been down for a month or two instead, then I’ll get in touch with plugin maintainers12:52
salv-orlandokevinbenton: this is how you lose your hairs - and get those nice brown bags under your eyes ;)12:52
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: :-)12:53
salv-orlandoif I have no reply from plugin mainteineirs, or not a satisfactory one, I would bring the argument to the ml. and then the team will decide on deprecation12:53
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: ok. it feels like the expectation we are moving towards is strict12:53
salv-orlandobut seriously no one is asking (I hope) that every team hires people to maintain a CI/CD enviroment12:54
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: that’s why i brough this up12:54
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salv-orlandoif by strict one means running a lot of tests on a patch, yes. If by strict you mean running some tests on every patch, no.12:54
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: ok. this didn’t help either  http://www.bradreese.com/blog/8-19-2014.htm12:57
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jschwarzajo, please look at the first comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116832/3/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py12:57
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jschwarzajo, I want your input before uploading a new changeset12:57
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: what the hell is that?12:58
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: garbage12:58
salv-orlandothe source of the info or the guy who republished them?12:58
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: but it was brought to my attention because our CI was slow12:58
salv-orlandothe source was not reviewed, for starter12:58
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kevinbentonsalv-orlando: so this brought up the whole thought of why we care to have such strict CI standards12:59
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if we are slow voting, the only one it hurts is us because breaking changes could sneak in12:59
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amotokimany wiki pages are not reviewed well, but folks not familiar with Openstack wiki tend to think the source is trusted and well-maintained :-(  it is bad news.13:00
ajowikis are hard to maintain,13:01
salv-orlandokevinbenton, amotoki: I’m going to put a wiki page stating “neutron is broken, and it’s all Akihiro’s and Kevin’s fault”13:01
ajoyou write a piece of info somewhere, and it gets outdated soon after...13:01
ajolol13:01
amotokisalv-orlando: hehe :p13:01
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: only if you put my name first13:01
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: in grad school i learned that first author counts13:01
salv-orlandokevinbenton: first and last13:02
salv-orlandolast means you’re the professor - who did nothing and took all the merit13:02
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salv-orlandothe middle names are the ones that just needed one more publication13:02
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: or head of the research group if authors > 213:02
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ajojschwarz, looking13:02
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* jschwarz wants something to be his fault as well...13:03
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salv-orlandoanyway, it does not seem that wiki page was picked up by a blog with any relevance or trustability.13:03
kevinbenton\me places jschwarz in the acknowledgements section of fault13:03
kevinbentonwhoops s/\me/\/me/g13:04
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jschwarzkevinbenton, can I be the first acknowledged fault? :)13:04
kevinbentonyes13:04
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jschwarzfinally, I can die in peace... ^_^13:04
kevinbentonthere is an unbalanced toothpick in my s&r statement above…13:05
kevinbentons/\\me/\/me/g13:05
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: but why do we need a status page at all for such short term stuff?13:06
jschwarzmore readability: s,\\me,/me,g13:06
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ajojschwarz, probably the call_driver method needs refactor13:08
salv-orlandokevinbenton: becuase maybe if your CI is sending -1s everywhere you can go check the status page, see the CI is behaving badly, and not bother about the -113:08
ajowe're devirtuating the driver itself, by calling methods manually with cls_driver.xxxxxxx()13:08
jschwarzajo, I don't believe we are talking about the same comment13:08
ajoI know the call_driver doesn't accept return data, just exceptions13:08
jschwarzajo, maybe we are?13:09
ajojschwarz, the one about setting the @classmethod13:09
salv-orlandowhat does “devirtuating” mean?13:09
ajoI'm looking deeper into the problem13:09
* mestery reads scrollback hoping someone can give him the tl;dr13:09
ajotl;dr13:09
ajo:)13:09
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mesteryLooks like an interesting discussion on CI here13:09
salv-orlandomestery: about what?13:09
salv-orlandoah13:09
ajoyes mestery that part is interesting13:09
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: if your CI is causing a patch massacre, wouldn’t it be easit to just remove the votes rather than update a wiki that says to ignore them?13:09
jschwarzajo, yes. anyway other functions in the dhcp_agent.py code does the same I think13:09
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ajojschwarz, I've only seen the check_version13:10
salv-orlandokevinbenton: yes you should do that as well.13:10
* mestery notes anteaya removed CI access for vArmour yesterday due to something like this13:10
ajojschwarz, are there any others?13:10
mesteryOr, voting access13:10
* jschwarz looking13:10
salv-orlandomestery: In  a nutshell it’s about how nazi we should be with 3rd party CIs and the plugin/drivers they test13:10
mesterysalv-orlando: Good summary :)13:10
jschwarzajo, self.dhcp_driver_cls.existing_dhcp_networks in L8913:11
kevinbentonmestery: just was asking why we put so much stress recently on voting on each patch, when realistically if someone votes succesfully votes right before the release it covers everything in between13:11
salv-orlandohow long is a CI allowed to be down before we execute the plugin or driver it tests?13:11
ajoexisting_dhcp_networks, true13:11
jschwarzajo, OK, I'll add it :)13:11
ajoI think all those should go via the call_driver, a bit refactored13:11
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ajoand all being as @classmethods,13:11
kevinbentonmestery: bringing to the extreme, why not just vote once before every release if you like to gamble?13:11
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jschwarzajo, not gonna refactor that though... call_driver doesn't return any values iirc, so that's why I ended up putting it as a classmetho13:12
ajojschwarz: otherwise we're going more spaghetti slowlly13:12
* mestery isn't a gambling man13:12
ajojschwarz, I know, I've been there once13:12
kevinbentonmestery: right, but the gambling should be left up to the 3rd party folks i think13:12
mesteryI see the issue here kevinbenton, but the reality is as we move all plugins/drivers out of tree (yes, I plan to make that happen), third-party CI is the only thing we'll have left for any sort of consistency here.13:12
ajojschwarz, I know we should fix that the sooner the better13:12
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mesterySo it becomes very important for that to function and function in the right ways as presribed by neutron and infra/qa.13:12
mesteryPeople can always remove their plugins right now and do what they want.13:13
jschwarzajo, I can offer to do a bp to rewrite it, but don't think my superior will approve ;-)13:13
mesteryI know salv-orlando has mentioned that to me many times.13:13
jschwarzajo, are you ok with how it is now, being a classmethod?13:13
kevinbentonmestery: i think the same will apply. if a 3rd party quits voting for even months at a time, as long as they vote successfully before the release, it doesn’t really matter that they missed in between13:14
mesterykevinbenton: I think infra would disagree there.13:14
kevinbentonmestery: they risk a change breaking everything for them when they aren’t voting13:14
jschwarzkevinbenton, sorry to barge in, but wouldn't that mean the right before the release people will find out that their patches stop working when the CIs starts running again?13:15
mesterykevinbenton: I think it comes down to this: Infra and Neutron will set the basic rules to follow for third-party CI, if plugins don't follow those, they will face the consequences13:15
mesterykevinbenton: And it's fair to try and change the rules by attending the weekly meeting and arguing your case :)13:15
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kevinbentonjschwarz: right, that’s the gamble i’m talking about13:15
ajojschwarz, sorry, look at the query, yes: I'd be ok, but we should manage to get time to refactor that on the dhcp-agent,13:16
salv-orlandomestery, it’s not like kevinbenton feels it’s useless. I think he’s more worried about excessive policing which might lead to unnecesary punishments.13:16
ajoI believe it's a bit messy to have calls that go on his own without the call_driver interface, but that's an existing problem out of the scope of your bugfix13:16
salv-orlandoI think I’m not the only one who thinks that a CI can be down for a day or a week as long as we’re in touch with the maintainers.13:16
mesterysalv-orlando: I get that, we need to balance that which would alleviate kevinbenton's concern.13:16
jschwarzseems like a hell of a gamble to me... it's hard enough passing through the gate now as it is, let alone when all my previous patches start failing all at once13:16
kevinbentonmestery: this is what i was wondering about. why have these requirements when ultimately we want proof that the 3rd party passes the tests at the release13:16
ajojschwarz, it can refactored all at once later13:16
mesterysalv-orlando: ++13:16
jschwarzajo++13:16
salv-orlandoBut if a CI is down for 3 or 4 weeks, with no explanation, maintainers are unreachable, then we’re likely to have bitrotting code.13:17
kevinbentonjschwarz: yes, huge gamble, but up to the 3rd party is my point13:17
boris-42mestery hi there13:17
mesterykevinbenton: I think you should argue this point in the third-party meeting on Monday, you'd have all the relevant people around for a good conversation :)13:17
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: but wait until the end to deprecate them13:17
mesteryboris-42: Yo yo yo!13:17
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: of the cycle13:17
kevinbentonmestery: ok13:17
ajomestery, salv-orlando  exactly, end of the cycle13:17
boris-42mestery obondarev said that you are trying to start performance/scale testing13:17
mesteryLook, I have no interesting in being the "plugin police" here just as much as people don't want me to be that.13:17
ajoat least a CI pass before end of the cycle seems acceptable13:18
salv-orlandokevinbenton: yes, it’s not like I have a “kill the plugin” button13:18
mesteryAt the end of the day, we need some sort of consistency though, we need to strike a balance13:18
boris-42mestery do you need some help around Rally, I don't know hangout call for Neutron team13:18
mesterysalv-orlando: ++13:18
boris-42mestery to explain how it works and how to use it13:18
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: not that you’ll show us at least :-)13:18
salv-orlandoIf I’m pissed off with a plugin I will push a patch to remove it from gerrit13:18
mesteryboris-42: We could put this on our weekly meeting agenda in 2 weeks once we get past feature freeze13:18
mesterysalv-orlando: Also ++13:18
salv-orlandoand that would take two cores to approve it.13:18
ajomestery++, boris-42++ I'd be interested in that13:19
boris-42mestery actually this can't be done in meeting,13:19
mesteryboris-42: OK13:19
boris-42mestery it should be just hangout call / or few hangout calls13:19
boris-42mestery maybe somebody could help to organize this?)13:19
salv-orlandoBut as the core team are a bunch of people with a decent amount of commons sense, before doing that we’ll be sure that the plugin in question is not maintained anymore13:19
mesteryboris-42: OK, that makes sense, so a one-off meeting then, sure.13:19
kevinbentonsalv-orlando: i thought cores had a special +4 button for these situations?13:19
mesteryboris-42: Can we do this post feature freeze?13:19
boris-42mestery it's in few days?13:19
boris-42mestery I mean ff?13:19
mesteryNext Thursday, 9-4-201413:19
boris-42mestery ok, but if somebody is interested you can point him to me=)13:20
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salv-orlandokevinbenton: no all I have is a button for ICBMs. But they’re from former USSR and they don’t work.13:20
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boris-42ajo heh is somebody other interested?)13:20
mesteryboris-42: Will do sir13:20
boris-42ajo so we can make a hangout call13:20
mesterysalv-orlando: hahahahahahaha13:20
salv-orlandomestery: we don’t remove plugins. We nuke them.13:21
boris-42mestery so anything that i can do for now?13:21
mesteryboris-42: I think hang tight while we navigate the tricky feature freeze deadline :)13:22
mesterysalv-orlando: So per your email, 1300 UTC is ok tomorrow for the feature freeze meeting?13:22
boris-42mestery ok =)13:22
kevinbentonmestery, salv-orlando perhaps we need a bitrotter. each day that a 3rd party system doesn’t vote, a bot makes a change to code in the repo for that code by bitflipping a character13:22
jschwarzajo, thanks! :)13:23
salv-orlandoI’m not sure yet. But please go ahead with the planned time.13:23
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mesterysalv-orlando: Ack13:26
jschwarzmestery, can I interest you with a refactor to the model_query_hook? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117142/ :)13:27
mesteryjschwarz: looking ...13:27
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amotokibtw, recently i moved the directory where VM image of our CI is located to ramdisk. It boosted one round of devstack + API test up to 10~15mins.13:28
Altranjschwarz - btw I'm looking at it and what did You mean by "I will like this to the patchset and refactor it as needed" in commit message ?13:28
amotokiOne machine with 8cores/50GB memory now covers the CI.13:29
jschwarzAltran,13:29
jschwarzAltran, meant "I will link this..."13:29
mesteryamotoki: Nice!13:30
ajoamotoki: Nice!!, ram is much better than SSDs13:30
Altranjschwarz - ok :)13:30
jschwarzAltran, I will fix it for the next patchset13:30
amotokithere is no problem running VMs disappears due to power outage :-)13:31
jschwarzthanks :)13:31
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jschwarzamotoki, thanks! XD13:38
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padkrishmestery: ping13:45
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ajoamotoki, lol, I suppose you keep a copy on the disk that's copied on boot, right? :)13:49
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amotokiajo: yes, I keep the master image on hdd and after a test complete the image is disposed and new image is copied from the master image.13:51
amotokiajo: in most case, the master image is also cached on memory by filesystem.13:51
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ajoaha13:56
ajoamotoki: so you just save the writeback to disk13:56
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enikanorov__carl_baldwin: hi, could you please take a look at this patch again? i had to fix UT per Armando's comment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115383/14:18
carl_baldwinenikanorov__: looking...14:19
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ajocarl_baldwin, enikanorov_ mestery http://boris-42.github.io/ngk.html  <-- have you seen the outsanding work by boris-42 ?14:23
ajoan API / RPC / DB .... profiler14:23
ajothat goes cross project14:24
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ajowe should think about adding support in neutron during K14:24
ajoit's awesome14:24
carl_baldwinajo: That is the first I’ve seen it.14:24
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ajocarl_baldwin, me too: https://github.com/stackforge/osprofiler14:25
ajothis is cinder integration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103415/   (and cinder client) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103359/14:25
ajoboris-42++!14:25
jschwarzthat's pretty handy14:25
ajocarl_baldwin, we could even reverse-engineer our cross project interactions to diagrams with it's output....14:26
ajojschwarz, yes14:26
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marunfyi, I've broken the functional job and nothing is going to merge until it's fixed.14:28
ajomarun, ouch14:28
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ajogood luck, I suppose CI may be running the neutron-** together with the CI changes that affect such part, but probably it's not easy to handle the dependencies14:30
ajoneutron-** -> **-**14:30
marunIt may be worth making it non-voting so as not to hold things up unnecessarily.  I'll talk to infra.14:30
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nunizacusecond day straight and nothing14:36
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nunizacui se noo place in nova where qvb is created14:36
nunizacumaybe qbr14:36
nunizacubut not qvb14:36
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nunizacumy back hurts so bad im running out of oxicodin14:37
nunizacuwith also doesnt help thinking14:37
jschwarznunizacu, can I ask why you're looking for that?14:38
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nunizacucouse neutron + ml2 doesnt make qvb so i cant create instance14:39
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nunizacuoh and qvo and tap14:40
nunizacupretty much ml2 does noghting using ovs14:40
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nunizacupure ovs plugin makes vif_type eror so it is also out of question14:42
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nunizacui dont know if its juno specific issue or what14:42
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nunizacui guess someone would find out already that you cant make instance using neutron14:43
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nunizacubut i see no place in google about it14:44
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nunizacuand no one on irc who can help me, even on official support channels14:47
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openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed a change to openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: introduce routing instance  https://review.openstack.org/11555414:59
nunizacugreat, i can do it with quagga14:59
nunizacubut what about me ! :D14:59
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed a change to openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: adding agent and scheduling  https://review.openstack.org/11566714:59
openstackgerritJaume Devesa proposed a change to openstack/neutron: BGP Dynamic Routing: adding BGP driver  https://review.openstack.org/11593815:00
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nunizacucool new features, but meybe first make already made working... : /15:01
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nunizacuit's 4th day im trying to run this new 2014.215:02
nunizacuand nothing works15:02
nunizacudashboard bugged, packages with wrong owners15:03
nunizacuunusable neutron or im too stupid to use it15:05
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jschwarznunizacu, may I ask what did you use to deploy?15:05
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beaglesMeeting Info:15:08
beaglesWe're using Blue Jeans for our OSAS All-Company calls. You can join by video or audio. Please note if you are using Blue Jeans for the first time;15:08
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nlahoutimarkmcclain: Hi Mark, sorry to bother you again. Can you please review the extension patch today so that we can move forward?15:30
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openstackgerritBrian Haley proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L3 Metering label as shared  https://review.openstack.org/7009015:33
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ZZelleamotoki, obondarev, hi16:26
ZZelleamotoki, obondarev, could you relook at https://review.openstack.org/115351? It has been updated to take into account amotoki remarks16:26
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amotokiZZelle: sure but i am in ML2 meeting.16:28
ZZelleamotoki, oups, thanls16:28
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amotokiZZelle: one minor question on your reviews. Is there any reason you didnt move TunnelTypeTestMixin to a common module like test_type_tunnel?16:45
amotokiZZelle: is it to keep the change minimum? It also sounds reasonable.16:45
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ZZelleamotoki, yes, previous change moving code from type_vxlan/gre to type_tunnel was "simple" but difficult to review because the code moved from one module to the other16:50
amotokiZZelle: fair enough.16:51
ZZelleamotoki, moreover there is no specific test module for type_tunnel module defining TunnelTypeDriver and TunnelRpcCallbackMixin ... i am not sure the last one is tested somewhere16:51
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amotokiZZelle: now it looks good to me.16:51
ZZelleamotoki, so i prefer not to define test_type_tunnel to avoid dev to assume it tests TunnelRpcCallbackMixin16:51
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ZZelleamotoki, great :), thanks16:51
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amotokiZZelle: yeah. if we have more tunnel variant, let's move it to a separate module at that time.16:52
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ZZelleamotoki, indeed16:56
openstackgerritAARON ZHANG proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement full sync for cisco n1kv plugin  https://review.openstack.org/11303716:57
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openstackgerritTrinath Somanchi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Freescale FWaaS Plugin  https://review.openstack.org/10965917:00
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trinathscan some one review this change, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109659/. Updated with reviewer suggestions.17:03
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padkrishmestery: ping17:19
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mesterypadkrish: Yo, what's up?17:29
padkrishmestery: just a quick clarification regd the functional test :)17:29
padkrishi put my comments in gerrit...any other place you want it documented?17:29
mesterypadkrish: Shoot :)17:29
mesterypadkrish: That sounds good to me, can you post the review here?17:30
padkrishhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/105563/1917:30
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padkrishmestery: just pasted the link17:31
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mesterypadkrish: thanks sir17:33
padkrishmestery: sure!!17:33
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openstackgerritSalvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make Juno migrations config independent  https://review.openstack.org/10976817:52
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pcm_Can I get core review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114345/ please? Would like to get this upstream.18:00
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nunizacuyeah, 4 days and i found a typo in py file18:31
openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove the Cisco Nexus monolithic plugin as ml2 driver takes it place  https://review.openstack.org/11602818:31
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nunizacubut before i hurray another problem came18:32
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 VRRP HA base classes  https://review.openstack.org/6455318:32
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add a new scheduler for the l3 HA  https://review.openstack.org/6634718:32
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openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 VRRP HA base classes  https://review.openstack.org/6455318:33
openstackgerritAssaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add a new scheduler for the l3 HA  https://review.openstack.org/6634718:33
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openstackgerritRonak Shah proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adding mechanism driver in ML2 plugin for Nuage Networks  https://review.openstack.org/11106618:45
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nunizacuif someone want fix for my kind of trouble its very simple, one word only18:45
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nunizacunow i only need correct premissions for /var/lib/libvirt18:48
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nunizacui belive...18:51
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nlahoutimarkmcclain: Hi Mark, do you have couple of minutes?18:57
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openstackgerritArvind Somya proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Type Driver refactor part 2  https://review.openstack.org/11502519:03
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openstackgerritYuriy Taraday proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement rootwrap daemon support  https://review.openstack.org/8466719:06
openstackgerritYuriy Taraday proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Abstract out root_helper calls to classes  https://review.openstack.org/8278719:06
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ZZellerkukura, hi19:18
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rkukuraZZelle: hi19:18
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ZZellerkukura, one question about #105643719:19
ZZellerkukura, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/105643719:19
ZZelleit seems the bug has been solved with the ability to set external_network_bridge="" on l3-agent19:20
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rkukuraZZelle: agreed!19:20
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ZZellerkukura, so i can change its status to fix committed or released (if i can) ?19:21
rkukuraZZelle: Great! Let me know if you are not able to.19:22
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ZZellerkukura, done!19:30
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openstackgerritBrian Haley proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L3 Metering label as shared  https://review.openstack.org/7009019:33
rms_13enikanorov: ping19:34
rms_13enikanorov_: ping19:34
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ajo    self.rpc.devices = {port['id']: port for port in all_ports}19:56
ajo                                           ^19:56
ajoSyntaxError: invalid syntax19:56
ajohmm19:56
ajothis isn't supported in py26 but it's in py27? :)19:56
ajoit seems like19:57
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ZZelleajo, in py26 you can not use {k:v ....} to define a dict20:13
openstackgerritCarl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor l2_pop code to pass mac/ip info more readably  https://review.openstack.org/11217820:13
ZZelleajo, you should use dict((k,v) ...)20:13
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ZZelleajo, it's unreadable but supported by py2620:14
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openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove the Cisco Nexus monolithic plugin as ml2 driver takes it place  https://review.openstack.org/11602820:32
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openstackgerritArvind Somya proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 Type Driver refactor part 2  https://review.openstack.org/11502520:46
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openstackgerritKevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Check for IPv6 file before reading  https://review.openstack.org/11682621:05
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openstackgerritRobert Kukura proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2: Driver API changes for hierarchical port binding  https://review.openstack.org/11511021:24
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openstackgerritpritesh proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove the Cisco Nexus monolithic plugin  https://review.openstack.org/11602821:36
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nlahouti1markmcclain: ping22:05
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dkoperhi. A recent stable release of HAProxy supports SSL termination. Is anyone working on updating the OpenStack lb to take advantage of that (and possibly support more of the related attributes in the cfn/HOT schema)?23:37
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openstackgerritKarthik Natarajan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implementation of Brocade Vyatta vRouter L3 Plugin  https://review.openstack.org/10233623:39
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