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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor security group rpc call https://review.openstack.org/111876 | 01:10 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor security group rpc call https://review.openstack.org/111876 | 02:22 |
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openstackgerrit | shihanzhang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor security group rpc call https://review.openstack.org/111876 | 03:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Xu Han Peng proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support Stateful and Stateless DHCPv6 by dnsmasq https://review.openstack.org/106299 | 03:38 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l2pop: Allow network types overridable https://review.openstack.org/112947 | 03:56 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: merge br-tun into br-int https://review.openstack.org/112488 | 03:56 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Local arp responder for VLAN https://review.openstack.org/112949 | 03:56 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2: Make get_device_details report mac address as well https://review.openstack.org/112948 | 03:56 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l2pop: get_agent_ports don't yield (None, {}) https://review.openstack.org/113159 | 03:57 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Enable local arp responder for local VMs https://review.openstack.org/113160 | 03:57 |
kevinbenton | enikanorov: ping | 04:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Retry on unassigned ofport instead of treating it as a failure https://review.openstack.org/106517 | 04:25 |
openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Convert vsctl call to ovsdb WIP - DO NOT MERGE https://review.openstack.org/113162 | 04:26 |
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enikanorov_ | kevinbenton: pong | 04:54 |
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trinaths | Hi All , Good Morning | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Enable local arp responder for local VMs https://review.openstack.org/113160 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l2pop: Allow network types overridable https://review.openstack.org/112947 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: l2pop: get_agent_ports: Don't yield (None, {}) https://review.openstack.org/113159 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: merge br-tun into br-int https://review.openstack.org/112488 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Local arp responder for VLAN https://review.openstack.org/112949 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2: Make get_device_details report mac address as well https://review.openstack.org/112948 | 05:37 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Implement physical_interface_mappings https://review.openstack.org/113166 | 05:37 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/112761 | 06:04 |
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openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Return port context from _bind_port_if_needed https://review.openstack.org/113144 | 07:48 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Upgrade note about firewall_driver https://review.openstack.org/113189 | 07:52 |
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matrohon | yamamoto : hi | 08:46 |
yamamoto | matrohon: hi | 08:46 |
matrohon | yamamoto : nice features here : ttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/ofagent-physical-interface-mappings,n,z | 08:47 |
matrohon | yamamoto : in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113160/ | 08:48 |
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matrohon | I don't get the first sentence : "Because ofagent makes every arp requests packet-in and | 08:48 |
matrohon | perform packet-out anyway" | 08:48 |
yamamoto | ofagent installs a flow which sends every arp request to the controller | 08:49 |
yamamoto | if it gets an arp request for unknown ip, it send the packet back to the switch to flood. | 08:52 |
yamamoto | if the arp request is for known ip, it sends arp reply back to the incoming port. | 08:52 |
yamamoto | the commit makes it do that even for IPs associated to node-local VMs. | 08:53 |
matrohon | thanks I think I got it | 08:54 |
matrohon | BTW, I think you have a dead link in your commit messages | 08:54 |
yamamoto | where? | 08:54 |
matrohon | "blueprint ofagent-l2pop" | 08:54 |
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yamamoto | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ofagent-l2pop | 08:56 |
yamamoto | lauchpad search does not show completed bps | 08:56 |
yamamoto | probably i should make it back to "needs review" | 08:56 |
matrohon | good idea | 08:56 |
yamamoto | done | 08:57 |
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amotoki | yamamoto: I think it is better to add the status of each patches in launchpad bp whiteboard. I think your bp consists of multiple reviews, so it is not easy to track the whole status :-( | 08:59 |
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yamamoto | amotoki: sure. links automatically added by gerrit seems difficult to follow... | 09:00 |
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amotoki | yamamoto: thanks. it would be helpful :-) | 09:02 |
yamamoto | amotoki: should i leave links made by gerrit as-is? | 09:02 |
openstackgerrit | Vinod Kumar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix dvr router getting scheduled on router update https://review.openstack.org/112576 | 09:03 |
amotoki | yamamoto: I added "- Merged" to some reviews. I think this kind of status is enough. | 09:04 |
yamamoto | amotoki: ok i will add status on each reviews | 09:05 |
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yamamoto | amotoki: does this look ok? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ofagent-merge-bridges | 09:08 |
amotoki | yamamoto: it looks nice! | 09:09 |
yamamoto | amotoki: thanks. i'll do the same for other bps. | 09:09 |
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yamamoto | amotoki: done | 09:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Predictable field and filter ordering https://review.openstack.org/112258 | 09:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Removes extra indents from TestSubresourcePlugin https://review.openstack.org/113209 | 10:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Preeti Mirji proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Adm policy can't use other tenants unshared rules https://review.openstack.org/108952 | 10:40 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Implement physical_interface_mappings https://review.openstack.org/113166 | 12:30 |
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nagyz | hey | 12:56 |
nagyz | is it possible to create a floating IP pool and share it to only a certain tenant? | 12:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 VRRP HA base classes https://review.openstack.org/64553 | 13:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Ilya Shakhat proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Replace httpretty with requests_mock https://review.openstack.org/113265 | 13:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Xu Han Peng proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use EUI64 for IPv6 SLAAC when subnet is specified https://review.openstack.org/101433 | 13:54 |
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armax | enikanorov: bug #1355103 | 13:54 |
armax | enikanorov: I already reported this one: 1354072 | 13:55 |
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amuller | claudiub: Heya, about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70700/21/neutron/tests/unit/test_l3_agent.py | 13:58 |
amuller | claudiub: The comments you wrote there are about lines that weren't changed in the patch | 13:59 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: thanks for pointing that out | 14:01 |
armax | enikanorov_: np | 14:01 |
armax | enikanorov_: also made a comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113144/ | 14:01 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: i've also commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112740/ :) | 14:05 |
armax | enikanorov_: I tried, it doesn’t work | 14:06 |
enikanorov_ | btw, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113144/ i've seen this trace as well, at this point i'm not sure it is related to my patch as logstash shows thousands of such traces | 14:06 |
armax | so please remove the -1 :) | 14:06 |
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armax | flush won’t restart the transaction | 14:08 |
enikanorov_ | armax: yeah, it should not, but there should also be the way to just preserve existing one | 14:08 |
armax | in this case best thing is not to have the nesting at all | 14:08 |
enikanorov_ | otherwise the logic is still flawed | 14:08 |
armax | preserve what precisely? | 14:09 |
enikanorov_ | yep, not to have nesting would be the best, but it's a bit too much of refactoring | 14:09 |
enikanorov_ | armax: transaction opened in outer method | 14:09 |
armax | there’s nothing to transact in the outher method! | 14:10 |
enikanorov_ | that's only the method you're fixing | 14:10 |
enikanorov_ | if you look at other places where bind_router is called | 14:11 |
openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Ensure ip6tables are used only if ipv6 is enabled in kernel https://review.openstack.org/112253 | 14:11 |
enikanorov_ | there it is called within the loop where failure in one iteration will prevent other bindings | 14:11 |
enikanorov_ | and the loop is under transaction (and it makes sense because we're scheduling router to multiple agents) | 14:12 |
armax | enikanorov_: as far as I can tell bind_router is called only in l3_agent_scheduler | 14:12 |
enikanorov_ | right, it's in _schedule_router where you've removed outer transaction | 14:13 |
armax | enikanorov_: correct | 14:13 |
enikanorov_ | and in auto_schedule_routers where it still exists | 14:13 |
enikanorov_ | i think outer transaction makes sense still. we just need to avoid rollback somehow | 14:15 |
enikanorov_ | maybe by doing session.merge() instead of .add() ? | 14:15 |
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armax | enikanorov_: I tried a number of things | 14:16 |
armax | the only thing that really fixed it was a savepoint with begin_nested() | 14:17 |
armax | the problem is not much with merging the session | 14:17 |
enikanorov_ | yeah, i see that now | 14:18 |
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enikanorov_ | that seems strange to not be able to 'try' to commit data | 14:19 |
armax | enikanorov_: what do you mean? | 14:19 |
enikanorov_ | but sqlalchemy docs has its reasoning | 14:19 |
enikanorov_ | armax: i mean that hitting some exception necessarily leads to rollback of tx and we can't prevent it | 14:20 |
armax | enikanorov_: correct | 14:20 |
enikanorov_ | but then, removing outer transaction also doesn't seem correct... | 14:21 |
armax | enikanorov_: I couldn’t find any other way to prevent that type of stacktrace | 14:21 |
armax | enikanorov_: well how so? If you look at it why would you want to start a transaction there? | 14:21 |
enikanorov_ | armax: it solves the issue for sure, but it's not right thing to do from atomicity perspective | 14:21 |
armax | there’s no all-or-none behavior to enforce | 14:21 |
armax | as a matter of fact you want to bind regardless of the error | 14:22 |
enikanorov_ | agree about that, however _schedule_router seems to be getting snapshot of routers and agents | 14:23 |
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armax | enikanorov_: not sure I follow | 14:24 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: the method fetches router and agents and tries to establish binding. usually such operations are wrapper in tx so the code can be sure it works with actual data at the point it adds binding | 14:26 |
armax | correct | 14:26 |
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enikanorov_ | so you're removing it now, router or agent may go in the middle, and we'll need to handle another kind of exceptions. That's for sure very unlikely | 14:28 |
enikanorov_ | but still, theoretically speaking... | 14:28 |
armax | if I understand you correctly router or agents will still go in the middle | 14:28 |
armax | the with block doesn’t prevent that | 14:29 |
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armax | imo there’s no reason to wrap _schedule_router because the only transactional change is in the bind operation | 14:30 |
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armax | which can still work in case of a DB error due to the race | 14:31 |
armax | frankly adding wrapping _schedule_router is wrong to me | 14:31 |
enikanorov_ | then why not just remove transaction in bind_router? :) | 14:31 |
armax | you can’t because you gotta commit the result! | 14:32 |
enikanorov_ | wrapping single DB add in transaction doesn't make much sense also | 14:32 |
enikanorov_ | well, you can just flush()! | 14:32 |
enikanorov_ | tx is not necessary to do that :) | 14:32 |
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armax | enikanorov_: so you want to have a stab at this? | 14:33 |
armax | I can happily give it you | 14:33 |
enikanorov_ | yeah, I'd be glad to look into this some more | 14:33 |
armax | OK, do you want me to abandon the patch? | 14:34 |
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enikanorov_ | no, just let me spend some more time and I'll get back to you | 14:34 |
armax | enikanorov_: ok sounds good | 14:34 |
armax | enikanorov_: thanks | 14:34 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: as for that trace with PortNotFound. I understand your concern there, however, I guess my patch didn't cause this. I've added dbug statement specifically to track that, and was not able to find it round those stack traces | 14:36 |
enikanorov_ | do you think the fix itself makes sense? It me it does, it the object returned previously was not correct (port instead of context) | 14:36 |
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enikanorov_ | s/it me it/to me it/ | 14:38 |
armax | enikanorov: I think the fix is a step in the right direction | 14:39 |
jaypipes | enikanorov: Is oleg around by any chance? | 14:39 |
enikanorov_ | jaypipes: he's on vacation until Friday | 14:39 |
jaypipes | enikanorov: got it. thx! | 14:40 |
armax | enikanorov: my suggestion was to try and eradicate the trace altogther…otherwise I don’t see the point | 14:40 |
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armax | enikanorov: granted that a PortNotFound is a lot better than a TypeError | 14:40 |
armax | :) | 14:40 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: yeah, i'm looking into PortNotFound traces as well, however it seems to be just concurrency issue | 14:40 |
enikanorov_ | and sometimes it results in TypeError | 14:41 |
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anteaya | mestery: hello, when you have a moment, can you take a look at this email thread and perhaps comment? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-August/001698.html | 14:44 |
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mestery | anteaya: morning, looking ... | 14:45 |
anteaya | mestery: a third party ci account is asking how to add ipset to their test run, fungi is suggesting that if this is a Neutron requirement Neutron add it to devstack | 14:45 |
anteaya | thanks | 14:45 |
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mestery | anteaya: I agree with fungi! | 14:45 |
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anteaya | mestery: great | 14:46 |
anteaya | mestery: what happens now? | 14:46 |
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mestery | anteaya: Just replied, I think fungi is right, a devstack patch is needed there | 14:47 |
anteaya | mestery: do you think the querent has the ability to offer said patch? | 14:48 |
anteaya | mestery: my initial sense is no | 14:48 |
mestery | anteaya: Lets see. I would hope so, since he's working on the ipset stuff! | 14:49 |
anteaya | mestery: let's find out | 14:49 |
mestery | anteaya: ++ | 14:50 |
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openstackgerrit | stephen-ma proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Delete DVR namespaces on node after removing last VM https://review.openstack.org/112465 | 15:05 |
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trinaths | Hi | 15:13 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Removes extra indents from TestSubresourcePlugin https://review.openstack.org/113209 | 15:29 |
claudiub | amuller: Hello. Sorry about my mistake :) | 15:29 |
amuller | claudiub: Thanks for your time I'll look at your comments tomorrow I think | 15:29 |
claudiub | amuller: still, there is a functional unittest that is failing | 15:29 |
amuller | the functional test? yeah I know I'm working on it | 15:30 |
amuller | it works locally but fails the gate, pretty hard to fix | 15:30 |
claudiub | amuller: well, I hope you'll get that Evrika! moment everyone needs once in a while. :D | 15:31 |
amuller | hehe hopefully | 15:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Miguel Angel Ajo proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Watch child processes and take action when any of them die. https://review.openstack.org/112798 | 15:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add functional test for l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/109860 | 15:36 |
openstackgerrit | Assaf Muller proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add functional test for l3_agent https://review.openstack.org/109860 | 15:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor l2_pop code to pass mac/ip info more readably https://review.openstack.org/112178 | 15:39 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Enabled Cisco ML2 driver to use new upstream ncclient https://review.openstack.org/112175 | 15:39 |
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ZZelle | Hi everyoe | 15:42 |
ZZelle | Hi everyone | 15:43 |
ZZelle | Does anyone know if there is any intention to deprecated mlnx and bigswitch core plugins? It seems their ML2 mechanisms provide the same feature using ML2 core plugin | 15:44 |
ZZelle | s/deprecated/deprecate/ | 15:44 |
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openstackgerrit | nlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Cisco DFA ML2 Mechanism Driver - Part 4 https://review.openstack.org/111863 | 16:19 |
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anteaya | well I have to hand it to trinaths, he is consistent, I think I have yet to come across correspondance that didn't include a request for someone to review a patch of his: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042605.html | 16:21 |
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ZZelle | armax, hi | 16:39 |
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armax | ZZelle: hi | 16:39 |
ZZelle | i am trying to understand the failing usecase in https://review.openstack.org/112740 | 16:39 |
openstackgerrit | Britt Houser proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Change nexus_dict values to be array https://review.openstack.org/113009 | 16:39 |
armax | ZZelle: k | 16:40 |
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ZZelle | armax, i am trying to understand where the DBDuplicateEntry error is raised | 16:40 |
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ZZelle | armax, the DB error is raised in _schedule_router? | 16:41 |
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armax | ZZelle: you mean where as in ‘under what circumstances’? | 16:42 |
armax | ZZelle: or where, in the code? | 16:42 |
ZZelle | armax, both :) | 16:42 |
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ZZelle | armax, i think i found the trouble | 16:47 |
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armax | ZZelle: k | 16:47 |
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armax | ZZelle: I am all ears | 16:50 |
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ZZelle | armax, iiuc, the with in bind_router performs a commit only if no error is raised inside the with | 16:58 |
armax | ZZelle: that’s my understanding too | 16:58 |
ZZelle | armax, so i am wondering if the parent session is not already broken when bind_router is called | 16:58 |
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ZZelle | armax, and the trouble would the parent transaction not the subtransaction | 16:59 |
armax | broken how? | 16:59 |
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ZZelle | armax, good question, i am wondering if in schedule_routers an allocation can fail because already allocated and the next allocation fails | 17:01 |
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ZZelle | armax, the try/except in bind_router do not catch InvalidRequestError? | 17:05 |
armax | ZZelle: it does not need to | 17:05 |
armax | ZZelle: imo | 17:05 |
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armax | ZZelle: in my opinion errors in nested transaction which should not cause the entire transaction to roll back should be handled with saveponts | 17:07 |
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armax | *savepoints | 17:07 |
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armax | but in this case I don’t see why we would need savepoints because the operation is just about adding a binding router/agent | 17:09 |
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ZZelle | armax, that mike bayer opinion also but sqlite does not seem to support it correctly | 17:09 |
armax | if a binding already exists, we catch the error and move on | 17:09 |
armax | that’s what I found too…see commit message on the patch I proposed | 17:10 |
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anteaya | HenryG: thank you | 17:10 |
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ZZelle | it's strange the try with session.begin except DBDuplicateEntry is used multiple times | 17:11 |
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armax | ZZelle: indeed, but we may have not observed the issue for a number or reasons: a) the transaction is not nested or b) we’ve been lucky timing wise and the bomb hasn’t gone off yet | 17:13 |
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ZZelle | armax, if so neutron.plugins.ml2.drivers.helpers is in b) | 17:14 |
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trinaths | anteaya, thanks for the updating in IRC. | 17:16 |
armax | ZZelle: to be certain, we should try and exercise the issue | 17:16 |
armax | ZZelle: to see what happens | 17:16 |
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anteaya | trinaths: well it was less than and more pointing out that you use every opporuntity to ask someone else to review your code | 17:17 |
armax | ZZelle: I was reading here: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/faq.html | 17:18 |
anteaya | trinaths: how are you doing at providing reviews that others find useful? | 17:18 |
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armax | ZZelle: and besides the use of savepoints, I wouldn’t know how to address the issue any differently within the existing Neutron’s DB usage pattern | 17:19 |
trinaths | anteaya: I;m reviewing the code for ML2 and Firewall and other interesting code bases which simple to review for now. its a learning area to find more about coding of Openstack. | 17:19 |
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anteaya | trinaths: great, has anyone offered you feedback on your reviews? | 17:20 |
trinaths | anteaya, If I find some thing needs correction, I'm posting a comment and not voting it | 17:20 |
anteaya | trinaths: well you can use your -1 and +1 | 17:20 |
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trinaths | anteaya: few. they have corrected the things and posted new patchsets | 17:20 |
anteaya | has anyone told you "good review" on anything you have reviewed? | 17:20 |
trinaths | anteaya: at this time nothing like that. | 17:21 |
anteaya | I mean feedback from other reviewers | 17:21 |
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trinaths | anteaya: no feedback now. | 17:21 |
anteaya | okay well it is time you found someone who you feel offers good technical reviews with useful comments | 17:21 |
anteaya | and start reading their reviews | 17:21 |
anteaya | and following their example | 17:22 |
anteaya | and then ask them for feedback | 17:22 |
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anteaya | ask them "am I providing useful reviews" | 17:22 |
anteaya | and then listen to what they say | 17:22 |
trinaths | anteaya, okay. that is a good idea to go with | 17:22 |
anteaya | great, if you provide useful reviews, you don't have to keep asking others to review your patches | 17:23 |
anteaya | everytime you feel like asking others for reviews, ask yourself, do I know if I am helping others by providing useful reviews | 17:23 |
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trinaths | anteaya,: okay | 17:23 |
anteaya | and if you don't know the answer to the question, it is likely that you aren't | 17:23 |
anteaya | so you can learn | 17:23 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Implement physical_interface_mappings https://review.openstack.org/113166 | 17:36 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Enable local arp responder for local VMs https://review.openstack.org/113160 | 17:36 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: merge br-tun into br-int https://review.openstack.org/112488 | 17:36 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Local arp responder for VLAN https://review.openstack.org/112949 | 17:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Nikolay Nikolaev proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Snabb NFV mechanism driver for ML2 https://review.openstack.org/95711 | 17:46 |
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openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: merge br-tun into br-int https://review.openstack.org/112488 | 17:46 |
openstackgerrit | YAMAMOTO Takashi proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Local arp responder for VLAN https://review.openstack.org/112949 | 17:46 |
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yfried | mlavalle: still here? I am unable to find documentation of difference between lbaas v1 and v2 | 17:58 |
yfried | enikanorov: salv-orlando: marun: maybe you guys might know? ^ | 17:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Dave Tucker proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Refactor OpenDaylight ML2 driver https://review.openstack.org/113330 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Roey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: ensure removed ports get treated on resyncs https://review.openstack.org/94888 | 17:59 |
salv-orlando | yfried: frankly I don’t even know yet if load balancing v2 will be part of the next release - because I’ve not followed the review process. I think there are some wiki pages around but sbalukoff and blogan are more suitable to provide information for this. Surely not yet official docs. | 18:00 |
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yfried | salv-orlando: tnx. we are having a discussion about tempset clients and I am looking for info on that | 18:01 |
blogan | yfried: I know there are reviews for the docs, but still sorting those out. mlavalle has been using a google doc we had created prior to actually developing it | 18:02 |
blogan | yfried: lots of unknowns right now with the experiemental extension discussions going on | 18:02 |
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yfried | blogan: any logs of discussions available? mlavalle has a patch for tempest client and I'm trying to understand how we should handle overlapping areas of the interface | 18:04 |
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yfried | blogan: do you have any idea how the cli/ neutron client would change? | 18:04 |
yfried | blogan: any vague notion? | 18:04 |
blogan | yfriend: its meant to be like a total separate extension, so v1 and v2 should work independently of each other | 18:05 |
blogan | yfriend: so both can be deployed at the same time | 18:05 |
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blogan | yfriend: but client commands for v1 are prefix with lb (i.e. lb-create-vip) and clients commands for v2 are prefixed with lbaas (i.e. lbaas-create-loadbalancer | 18:06 |
blogan | ) | 18:06 |
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yfried | blogan: that's a little confusing. what would be the difference between lb-create-pool and lbaas-create-pool? to they have different result? why do you need to have both turned on at the same time anyway? | 18:08 |
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thomasem | hi all, API question since I didn't see it in the documentation | 18:08 |
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thomasem | I noticed that several drivers in nova are expecting vif['network']['bridge'] in the payload from a compute GET /v2.0/ports.json call, is that supposed to be expected? | 18:09 |
yfried | blogan: how can me or my team join these discussions? I'd like to have a chance to comment on it before it's too late | 18:09 |
thomasem | compute's* | 18:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support Multiple IPv6 Prefixes and Addresses for IPv6 Network https://review.openstack.org/113339 | 18:23 |
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dougwig | yfried: the parallel extension thing was decided at the july meetup, as a method of primarily easing the transition, and thus making code review/release simpler. i'm not sure that that experiment went how we wanted it to go. :) | 18:29 |
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dougwig | i think the discussed happened around the review of this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement | 18:31 |
yfried | dougwig: I'm concerned with having 2 api calls available (cli or python) for creating, let's say, pool. each doing a different thing. | 18:31 |
yfried | I'd much rather you specify which version you'd like to use in conf file and keep the same api for both | 18:32 |
dougwig | the plan was to do a *quick* deprecation of v1, so users wouldn't ever see two sets of commands. the question of how/if/what-it-looks like in juno has the potential of exposing that bit of confusion. | 18:32 |
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dougwig | yfried: the operator does have to enable both extensions separately, and one is likely to be either experimental or deprecated, so i'm not sure two sets of commands will be a common thing in practice. | 18:34 |
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yfried | dougwig: think about a user trying to create lb-pool but seeing 2 cli calls available? or creating a pool with v1 cli but vip with v2? | 18:36 |
dougwig | yfried: i'm not arguing, i agree on that point. i had wanted the new commands to have v2 in them, so i'm partially on your side there. | 18:37 |
yfried | could we have the lb version as a single choice between the 2 and keep the same api for both? | 18:37 |
dougwig | the same api/endpoints won't work; the object model changed too much. | 18:37 |
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yfried | dougwig: keep the implementation the same and wrap them in the same interface. why can't that work | 18:38 |
dougwig | yfried: can you join #openstack-lbaas ? | 18:38 |
yfried | dougwig: now? | 18:38 |
dougwig | yes. | 18:38 |
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marun | mlavalle: ping | 18:51 |
marun | mlavalle: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106089/ | 18:51 |
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marun | mlavalle: Given the ongoing discussion around how best to allow evolving APIs like lbaas v2 to iterate without having to invoke the 'tempest 2-step', I'd like to see your patch marked as WIP for now. | 18:52 |
marun | mlavalle: It's likely that we'll want to rely on in-tree functional api tests until we consider lbaas v2 stable | 18:52 |
marun | mlavalle: this doesn't mean the work is wasted by any means - converting that patch to work in-tree would be largely mechanical. | 18:53 |
marun | yfried: ^ | 18:53 |
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dougwig | marun: is it appropriate to start making changes to the plan of record, based on a potential change to neutron process, *before* it's actually been made/decided? | 18:56 |
marun | dougwig: No | 18:56 |
dougwig | that's what you're suggesting to mlavalle | 18:57 |
marun | dougwig: I'm suggesting that we hold off on merging to tempest until we have finalized our plans | 18:57 |
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marun | dougwig: Until we've decided that a process change is not required, it would seem unwise to assume it's not going to. | 18:58 |
marun | it's not going to -> that the process will remain the same | 18:58 |
dougwig | i'm only half arguing. it is a change before the decision has been made, but i also don't disagree. nor was it in any danger of merging today. | 18:59 |
marun | dougwig: yfried raised concerns to me and on the patch about the testing strategy of lbaas v2 in relation to lbaas v1 | 19:00 |
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marun | dougwig: I'm not trying to halt progress - nothing is stopping the patch from evolving | 19:01 |
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marun | dougwig: But I do want to make sure that all involved recognize the uncertainty around the patch | 19:01 |
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dougwig | so, we should WIP the extension and client patches too (not that they are in danger of merging, either.) | 19:04 |
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yfried | marun: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111475/3 looks like current approach is to let v1 and v2 work on the same cloud. That's a bad user experience in my book | 19:08 |
marun | dougwig: I'm less concerned with in-tree changes since we have control over merging them. | 19:09 |
marun | dougwig: Tempest is a different project with different cores, though. | 19:09 |
dougwig | good point. | 19:10 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Remove duplicated check for router connect to external net https://review.openstack.org/112349 | 19:13 |
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openstackgerrit | AARON ZHANG proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Implement full sync for cisco n1kv plugin https://review.openstack.org/113037 | 19:35 |
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openstackgerrit | AARON ZHANG proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Assign Cisco nw profile to multi-tenants in single request https://review.openstack.org/102640 | 19:42 |
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openstackgerrit | AARON ZHANG proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Assign Cisco nw profile to multi-tenants in single request https://review.openstack.org/102640 | 19:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Sridar Kandaswamy proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Changes to support FWaaS in a DVR based environment https://review.openstack.org/113359 | 19:44 |
enikanorov_ | armax: hey. have you seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1355409 | 19:45 |
armax | enikanorov_: not yet, looking | 19:46 |
armax | enikanorov_: interestingly that did not lead to any failure | 19:47 |
enikanorov_ | armax: as with most stack traces that show up in rpc message handling - they are not api-facing | 19:48 |
mlavalle | marun, dougwig, yfried: I just came back and saw the exchange. I don't have a problem marking the patch as WIP until we have more clairity as a team how to move forward. The important thing right now is that we have a test that can test the new LBaaS api as it evolves | 19:48 |
marun | mlavalle: +1 | 19:48 |
armax | enikanorov_: fair enough, but they may still lead to failures | 19:48 |
dougwig | mlavalle: +1 | 19:48 |
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armax | enikanorov_: that said, would you like me to look into it, or are you? I noticed you took the bug yourself | 19:49 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: you may take it if you want to, otherwise i'll look at it tomorrow | 19:49 |
armax | enikanorov_: ok, leave it with me for now, you’ll see an update in case I manage to root cause it and file a fix | 19:50 |
armax | enikanorov_: thanks for reporting it | 19:50 |
mlavalle | marun: do you think it is a good moment to attempt to convert this test to in tree? Or should I wait? I can use this as an experience to learn to write in tree tests | 19:50 |
marun | mlavalle: I would recommend waiting until we've decided on our strategy. It is likely to come this week. | 19:51 |
mlavalle | marun:-) | 19:51 |
mlavalle | :-) | 19:51 |
marun | mlavalle: I think your converting them to in-tree would be a good idea, since you already have them in your head. | 19:51 |
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mlavalle | marun: agree | 19:52 |
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armax | enikanorov_: posted a few more comments on the bug report | 19:54 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: is it really a agent-side trace? i mean time of the trace differs by more than 1 second | 19:56 |
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aleksandr_null | hi guys | 19:56 |
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armax | enikanorov_: the keyerror seems the same | 19:57 |
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armax | enikanorov_: scroll down a little bit ;) | 19:57 |
enikanorov_ | armax: yes, see that now | 19:58 |
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aleksandr_null | armax: Hi! | 20:03 |
aleksandr_null | armax: Are you aware of any changes in neutron that could potentially lead to incompatibility with an old nova-api or components prior to 2014.2 ? | 20:04 |
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aleksandr_null | I'm basically check out the latest branch of neutron and now getting pretty strange errors at nova-computes :( | 20:05 |
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armax | aleksandr_null: there shouldn’t be | 20:06 |
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armax | enikanorov_: I think the error is caused by a router delete right before the sync_router loop | 20:06 |
openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support Multiple IPv6 Prefixes and Addresses for IPv6 Network https://review.openstack.org/113339 | 20:06 |
aleksandr_null | armax: Thanks, will try to figure out what's happening ;( | 20:06 |
armax | enikanorov_: http://logs.openstack.org/48/112948/3/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-pg/503d619/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?#_2014-08-11_07_19_33_731 | 20:06 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: probably. it's just that these are some new traces i didn't see before (along with PortNotFound) | 20:07 |
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armax | enikanorov_: agreed, but that’s the very nature of concurrency | 20:08 |
armax | enikanorov_: these traces don’t happen all the time…granted they must have started after some of the dvr changes went in, they seems to cause noise only, but we’ll get rid of them | 20:08 |
aleksandr_null | armax: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed | 20:09 |
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enikanorov_ | armax: they still happen in almost all jobs now. I think we need to lower log severity at least and handle the exception for this case | 20:10 |
armax | enikanorov_: yup I can see that…let me work on a fix | 20:10 |
aleksandr_null | armax: Found it. Something was changed in l3agents/ovs-agents. They refuse to start on computes. | 20:11 |
aleksandr_null | Will take a look on configs :) | 20:11 |
openstackgerrit | Britt Houser proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Change nexus_dict values to be array https://review.openstack.org/113009 | 20:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Aaron Rosen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NSX: update_lswitch method can add duplicate version tags https://review.openstack.org/113366 | 20:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Terry Wilson proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Retry on unassigned ofport instead of treating it as a failure https://review.openstack.org/106517 | 20:42 |
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ZZelle | armax, back from my testing | 20:58 |
ZZelle | armax, when an IntegrityError is raised the transaction and its session is broken on mysql but not on sqlite! | 20:59 |
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ZZelle | armax, oups i did a mistake, it's always working | 21:14 |
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reed | marun, what neeeds to stop? (freeing the #meeting channel) | 22:02 |
nati_ueno | marun: ok, so when we can continue? | 22:02 |
emagana | what was the call on the Contrail plugin? | 22:02 |
marun | I'm supportive of letting it go through. | 22:02 |
nati_ueno | marun: or can we continue the discussion here? | 22:02 |
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rudrarugge | marun, markmcclain: should we continue contrain discussions here | 22:03 |
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marun | I wanted to make sure other folks had the chance to weigh in too. | 22:03 |
nati_ueno | marun: Thanks! | 22:03 |
* dougwig makes more popcorn. | 22:03 | |
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marun | I do think that we need higher standards for accepting vendor contributions, though. | 22:03 |
reed | on the contrail plugin I see: | 22:03 |
marun | At least so long as plugins are all in tre. | 22:03 |
marun | tree. | 22:03 |
nati_ueno | marun: I agree. so please help me on that part. | 22:03 |
reed | - technical comment (it's a simple shim, no added value to keeping it in trunk) | 22:03 |
marun | nati_ueno: a) being good citizens and b) contributing to core in some way | 22:04 |
reed | - social aspect (cooperations with contrail team has been difficult) | 22:04 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: so you are ok to land it ? | 22:04 |
nati_ueno | marun: absolutly agree | 22:04 |
reed | - mix of the above (the API will break, the shim will fall apart, the users will blame neutron) | 22:04 |
salv-orlando | nati_ueno: yes, because as markmcclain says we’ll probably end breaking it soon ;) | 22:04 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: ha ha no.. but I can work on | 22:04 |
salv-orlando | unless you can keep up contrail builds with neutron ones | 22:04 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: yes | 22:05 |
marun | reed: It think that a vendor who contributes little to core and whose plugin isn't interesting in a way that benefits the community has little reason to be in tree. | 22:05 |
reed | IMO opencontrail is a small version of GBP, probably the same root cause | 22:05 |
salv-orlando | but maybe rudrarugge and nati_ueno would also agree that reason for the neutron API endpoint on opencontrail is there because the original plugin implementation was not merged in main neutron trunk? | 22:05 |
marun | reed: They can just as well distribute it themselves, and rely on 3rd party ci integration to make sure they can fix breakage as it occurs. | 22:05 |
reed | or causes, better | 22:05 |
nati_ueno | reed: no it is unrelated.. | 22:05 |
markmcclain | reed: actually much different GPB | 22:05 |
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reed | I don't want to digress, sorry, let's focus on contrail | 22:06 |
marun | reed: So long as contrail is willing to play nice and make some effort to contribute to the community, their plugin can be in-tree. | 22:06 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: I think small plugin will benefit the community | 22:06 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: That's reason | 22:06 |
reed | marun, what you say is correct about third-party | 22:06 |
marun | nati_ueno: I don't think the plugin itself counts as a good contribution, at least not in its current form. | 22:06 |
reed | marun, keep also in mind that we (large WE) have built a set of *strong* incentives to be in trunk | 22:07 |
nati_ueno | marun: I do agree | 22:07 |
salv-orlando | nati_ueno: so you really think maintaining a separate API endpoint re-implementing neutron API is easier? I mean, I have no reason to comment on Open contrail implementation | 22:07 |
emagana | marun: I think contrail is aware of that and wants to be more collaborative with the community | 22:07 |
marun | nati_ueno: I'm counting on you to ensure that work occurs outside of the plugin if it's going to remain so small. | 22:07 |
reed | marun, incentives that are *not* technical for the most part | 22:07 |
marun | reed: Sure, but we can't/shouldn't say yes to everything. | 22:07 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: it is not reimplementing. anyway we need have model transfromation in anyware. | 22:07 |
marun | reed: We need to weigh the cost vs benefit of inclusion. | 22:07 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: it can be sit in contrail api server side | 22:07 |
marun | reed: We don't want to encourage free-riders | 22:07 |
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reed | in trunk means that, to give an example, 4-5 developers get free tickets to a conference... that's $2500USD | 22:07 |
reed | or more | 22:07 |
nati_ueno | marun: Thanks! | 22:07 |
* beagles notes they could also simply contribute to the current core and voila | 22:08 | |
reed | that's a stupid example, there are a lot more I can give you that have nothing to do with code... it | 22:08 |
marun | If those developers are not contributing in meaningful ways to Neutron, then why do they deserve that? Showing up should not be enough | 22:08 |
reed | it's hard, too hard probably, to push things out of trunk or not accept them at all | 22:08 |
marun | reed: I'm still going to try. I think we need to develop a sense of priority in this project and the only way to do that is to be able to say yes _and_ no | 22:09 |
marun | saying 'yes' always means we effectively are not prioritizing | 22:09 |
nati_ueno | I agree with marun | 22:09 |
markmcclain | I do want to say that contrail has listened and tried to address the feedback we've given them this cycle | 22:09 |
ajo_ | I agree marun | 22:09 |
reed | marun, that's the way things are now... they're deeply embedded in everything we do, it's hard to change them, so I don't expect the pressure to land code in trunk to decrease any time soon | 22:10 |
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marun | reed: that's fine. | 22:10 |
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nati_ueno | markmcclain: thanks. do you have more concerns on the plugin code? | 22:10 |
reed | markmcclain, that's good to hear, I've worked with them too, glad to see their progress | 22:10 |
salv-orlando | I have no concern with contrail as well. If a decision regarding its inclusion is posted to the mailing list, I will be happy to support it. Provided what marun said will happen. | 22:10 |
marun | reed: I'm going to push for higher standards, and I'm happy if people are willing to rise to the occasion. | 22:10 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: Thanks! | 22:10 |
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reed | marun, we need to do that, I support having higher standards | 22:10 |
marun | reed: The goal isn't to exclude code on principle. The goal is to raise the bar for the quality of this project. | 22:10 |
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reed | I agree with the approach, don't get me wrong | 22:11 |
emagana | if you let me add, contrail team has been very open lately to work on my comments | 22:11 |
marun | so, I'm happy to remove my -2 based on the feedback I'm hearing here. | 22:11 |
nati_ueno | marun: Thanks. | 22:11 |
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marun | I wanted to make sure we had time to talk about it - my intent wasn't to roadblock indefinitely. | 22:11 |
beagles | as an aside... and markmcclain might be interested is that i tagged a bunch of nova bugs with an "unofficial" neutron tag to make it easier to discern which ones are not just networking but neutron specific | 22:11 |
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nati_ueno | marun: yeah, this is a great discussion we should have | 22:12 |
marun | I would encourage this mode of behavior for any core that has concerns about an initiative. Let's make sure we follow up quickly, though. | 22:12 |
marun | beagles: +1 | 22:12 |
nati_ueno | marun: contrail team guy are really good guy, so there is only communication issue.. | 22:12 |
beagles | I was going to bring it up tonight and again at the parity meeting on wednesday, but figured hey what the hell | 22:12 |
emagana | marun and nati_ueno: lets ensure we have more eyes on this plugin | 22:12 |
reed | great, I saw the progress of Contrail's patch, it looks like the developer has been responding and doing things... | 22:12 |
markmcclain | beagles: thanks for the heads up | 22:12 |
marun | emagana: +1 | 22:12 |
nati_ueno | emagana: +1 | 22:12 |
markmcclain | reed, nati_ueno, marun: need to take another look through it | 22:12 |
nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks. I'll wait it | 22:13 |
markmcclain | I am concerned that the approach is not sustainable longterm | 22:13 |
reed | markmcclain, what approach? | 22:13 |
markmcclain | super thin shim | 22:13 |
nati_ueno | markmcclain: ok let's discuss and let's find sustainable way | 22:13 |
marun | markmcclain: what's the potential cost? | 22:13 |
markmcclain | as the two diverge could create a lot more work for both teams | 22:13 |
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nati_ueno | not both team. may be for contrail team | 22:14 |
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nati_ueno | We have CI, so | 22:14 |
reed | markmcclain, fair enough, I leave you guys to discuss the tech details | 22:14 |
nati_ueno | if something breaks we will fix contrail side | 22:14 |
markmcclain | but I'm also willing to try because I get the feeling we'll seem more dramatically thin shims | 22:14 |
marun | reed: thank you for your time and attention! | 22:14 |
reed | what I want to highlight though is that reviewer's bandwidth is finite and that Neutron has issues | 22:14 |
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nati_ueno | reed: Thanks | 22:14 |
amotoki | nati_ueno: it will reduce chances to contribute neutron itself. | 22:14 |
reed | absolutely, my pleasure | 22:14 |
marun | markmcclain: Do we care if we can ensure sufficient vendor engagement in the project? | 22:14 |
dougwig | markmcclain: weren't you advocating thin shims for vendor code a month or two ago? | 22:14 |
nati_ueno | amotoki: no it is contrail issue for that part. marun says plugin isn't contribution | 22:15 |
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marun | nati_ueno, amotoki: 'not sufficient' contribution by itself to justify inclusion. | 22:15 |
markmcclain | dougwig: this one is even thinner than we discussed :) | 22:15 |
nati_ueno | marun: gotcha | 22:15 |
marun | 'must be this thick to merge' | 22:16 |
marun | ;) | 22:16 |
dougwig | :) | 22:16 |
amotoki | marun: nati_ueno: fair enough :) | 22:16 |
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dougwig | i'm plenty thick. oh wait, you mean the code. dangit. | 22:16 |
nati_ueno | i'm thick too :P | 22:16 |
reed | come on gusy | 22:16 |
reed | guys | 22:16 |
reed | keep it classy | 22:17 |
dougwig | heh, i did not mean it that way. | 22:17 |
nati_ueno | markmcclain: so how can I fix contrail code based on your concern? | 22:18 |
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markmcclain | nati_ueno: I want to take a last look, but I'd been ok giving it a try | 22:18 |
nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thank you so much | 22:18 |
markmcclain | nati_ueno: just expect that in kilo we're likely to break some stuff | 22:18 |
nati_ueno | it is ok, i'll fix contrail side | 22:19 |
nati_ueno | stable release won't break | 22:19 |
emagana | markmcclain: that is the continuos work that vendors should cover | 22:19 |
nati_ueno | emagana: ya | 22:19 |
emagana | nati_ueno: CI will be active for all commits, right? | 22:20 |
nati_ueno | emagana: yes | 22:20 |
nati_ueno | I'm going to add more | 22:20 |
emagana | nati_ueno: sounds good to me then | 22:20 |
nati_ueno | i'm planning to have multi node CI too | 22:20 |
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marun | markmcclain: can I remove my -2 and trust you to follow up? | 22:21 |
emagana | marun: I will review it as well | 22:21 |
marun | emagana: great. | 22:21 |
marun | I just want to make sure nobody does a drive-by approval if folks still have things to say | 22:21 |
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markmcclain | marun: yes | 22:22 |
marun | markmcclain: ok | 22:22 |
nati_ueno | ok so markmcclain: and emagana will be final reviewer, right? | 22:22 |
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emagana | nati_ueno: I propose to wait until the end of the week before approving | 22:23 |
nati_ueno | emagana: gotcha | 22:24 |
markmcclain | nati_ueno: sure | 22:25 |
nati_ueno | OK Thanks guys. I'm looking forward to see your feedback! | 22:25 |
nati_ueno | Thank you for having time for this! :) | 22:25 |
emagana | nati_ueno: n.p. | 22:25 |
praneet | thanks guy | 22:25 |
salv-orlando | reed: I think we can declare the contrail case closed? | 22:25 |
salv-orlando | I don’t think we need another hearing, do we? | 22:26 |
nati_ueno | ya it can be closed.. ( is there some ticket open?) | 22:26 |
salv-orlando | nati_ueno: no I was just saying case as in “court case" | 22:26 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: ha ha I got it. | 22:27 |
salv-orlando | today a new series start on HBO: Law & order openstack neutron edition | 22:27 |
nati_ueno | nooo | 22:27 |
reed | salv-orlando, :) | 22:27 |
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nati_ueno | no more Law & order stuff.. | 22:27 |
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reed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE | 22:28 |
nati_ueno | he he you should post it for the reaction | 22:29 |
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nati_ueno | ok TL! guys | 22:32 |
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netuser | QUESTION: In devstack: when I ran stack.sh I do not have private network created by default ????? | 22:43 |
netuser | or br-ex | 22:43 |
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nlahouti | markmcclain: ping | 22:49 |
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emagana | netuser: In the Neutron logs, do you see any error? | 23:01 |
emagana | netuser: By default DEvstack will create both private and piblic networks | 23:01 |
emagana | netuser: private for the tenant "demo" | 23:02 |
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netuser | emagana: yes | 23:02 |
netuser | I do not see any errors in the logs | 23:02 |
emagana | check if the private network was actually requested | 23:03 |
netuser | how do I do that ? | 23:03 |
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netuser | emagana: how do I do that ? | 23:04 |
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emagana | neutron logs | 23:05 |
emagana | look for create_network request | 23:05 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: Do you have a min? | 23:06 |
markmcclain | nlahouti: not super long just got out meeting and need to leave for evening | 23:06 |
marun | HenryG: I see the autogen removal patch is still unmerged :( | 23:07 |
marun | HenryG: Anything I can do to help? | 23:08 |
markmcclain | marun: still on my review list | 23:08 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: thx it is regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89211/ | 23:08 |
netuser | emagana: Do you mean the logs that stack.sh generates ? or is there a specific place for neutron logs ? | 23:08 |
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emagana | yes, those ones | 23:08 |
marun | salv-orlando: I guess it's still on yours too? ^ | 23:08 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: your -2 that you gave for BP not approved. | 23:08 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: BP is approved and the patch is under review. | 23:09 |
salv-orlando | marun, yes it is but I will defer comments to tomorrow due to imminent sleep | 23:09 |
marun | salv-orlando: That sounds like it's not ready, then. | 23:10 |
marun | salv-orlando: fair enough, hope you get some good rest! | 23:10 |
salv-orlando | marun: thanks | 23:10 |
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netuser | emagana: I do not see any network_create commands | 23:11 |
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markmcclain | nlahouti: rkukura and I have been in discussion about that blueprint | 23:11 |
emagana | netuser: brb | 23:11 |
markmcclain | nlahouti: it many cases break the API and the spec is really unclear about what exactly is to be produced for review | 23:12 |
markmcclain | nlahouti: I asked rkukura to help improve the spec and address how the API was not going to be broken and how as an operator I'm not leaking out the implemenation details of the my deployment to my user | 23:12 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: what cases it can break the api? | 23:13 |
markmcclain | the responses are different | 23:13 |
markmcclain | depending on where network/subent/port is instantiated | 23:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Fix PortNotFound exception during sync_routers https://review.openstack.org/113400 | 23:16 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: may be I'm missing something, but eventually all the request is coming to Ml2Plugin, in that case. right? | 23:17 |
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markmcclain | nlahouti: the API responses would be inconsistent | 23:21 |
markmcclain | in a multi-mech driver env | 23:21 |
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markmcclain | nlahouti: ok I have to head out for the evening… I'll be online tomorrow | 23:22 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: for mech driver that adds the attribute it has additional attribute in the response | 23:22 |
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nlahouti | markmcclain: but for other will be the same | 23:23 |
nlahouti | markmcclain: thx a lot will talk to you tomorrow. | 23:23 |
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HenryG | marun: nag salv-orlando and markmcclain about it. salv-orlando said he wanted to wait until Aug 19 and at first I thought he was joking. | 23:23 |
marun | HenryG: hah | 23:25 |
marun | HenryG: I sure hope he is. | 23:25 |
marun | HenryG: I've already nagged them in any case. | 23:25 |
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marun | HenryG: salv-orlando promised to get to it tomorrow after some well-deserved shuteye | 23:25 |
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HenryG | marun: ok. I rebased it locally and there are no conflicts yet. But if it stews for much longer something is bound to break. It touches a lot of tests. | 23:26 |
HenryG | cd - | 23:27 |
salv-orlando | HenryG: yes I was joking - if no CI fails I think it’s ok to merge | 23:27 |
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HenryG | oops | 23:27 |
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marun | HenryG: I know, that's why I'm waiting for it to merge. My dependent patch touches some of the same tests. | 23:27 |
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openstackgerrit | nlahouti proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Support for extensions in ML2 https://review.openstack.org/89211 | 23:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NSX: fix wording for configuration option https://review.openstack.org/113403 | 23:37 |
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cburgess | jogo: OK | 23:42 |
jogo | marun cburgess: since this is more a neutron issue lets talk about it here | 23:42 |
cburgess | Makes sense. | 23:43 |
jogo | marun: so it sounds like metacloud may be willing to be the neutron guinee pig | 23:43 |
jogo | marun: as one of the last nova-net holdouts | 23:43 |
jogo | with explicit needs etc | 23:43 |
cburgess | Right so I would say that will start for us once our I relase is out and once J is out. | 23:44 |
jogo | marun: this will hopefully help answer the question about scale testing for neutron with OSS backends | 23:44 |
jogo | cburgess: awesome | 23:44 |
cburgess | We had planned on skiping J and deploying K fairly soon after its released. | 23:44 |
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marun | jogo: great! | 23:45 |
cburgess | K being the first release that *might* support neutron for us assuming we can get it to a state we need (hopefully it will do that out of the box) | 23:45 |
marun | cburgess: that is certainly the goal | 23:45 |
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cburgess | and then probably a release or two with both as options before a full cut over. But that will depend on how good neutron is looking etc. | 23:45 |
jogo | cburgess: sunds like a pretty reasonable timeline if not an agressive one | 23:45 |
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cburgess | We have to judge migration, stability, disruption to our clients schedules before we know exactly when we would be done with nova-network but I can't imagine it would be more then 1 or 2 dual release cycles for us. | 23:46 |
cburgess | Or well.. I hope its not more then 1 or 2 because ugh... | 23:46 |
jogo | cburgess: from the nova side IMHO we should leave around nova-network for a long while as frozen/deprecated especially since it has a fairly low maintainance burdon at this point | 23:46 |
marun | cburgess: I think migration is the unanswered question, because we want to achieve relative parity with nova network regarding functionality and scalability. | 23:47 |
cburgess | jogo: Yeah once neutron is really at feature parity and stable/scalable we can freeze it again and leave it be fore 2-3 cycles like we did last time. By then things should be far enough long that we can could finally kill it. | 23:47 |
jogo | marun: cburgess has a laundry list of things he needs from neutron I asked him to record it in the ML so you have awritten record | 23:47 |
marun | jogo: perfecvt | 23:47 |
marun | perfect | 23:47 |
cburgess | Yeah nothing is too crazy though. | 23:47 |
cburgess | I think its mostly obvious known stuff but I can put it all in writing so we can use that as a straw man to see what people are thinking. | 23:48 |
marun | once we're at parity I think it will be a good time to figure out what the community needs in terms of migration. | 23:48 |
cburgess | I'll run the list by some folks internally too make sure I'm not missing anything. | 23:48 |
jogo | cburgess: cool, want to also put yourself on the hook publicly for evaluating perf etc after juno? | 23:48 |
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jogo | marun: ++ parity first | 23:49 |
jogo | marun: I want to make sure our definition of parity satisfies cburgess | 23:49 |
cburgess | jogo: I think we can do that. Need to check with our product team to make sure our plans are still to work on neutron then before I agree but I think that should work. | 23:49 |
marun | jogo: ++ | 23:49 |
cburgess | Well.. while I would love to be the one who gets to dictate such things, I think we can use our list of requirements as a strawman and see how everyone reacts. | 23:50 |
marun | cburgess: that sounds reasonable | 23:50 |
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jogo | cburgess marun: awesome, sounds like we are all in agreement here! | 23:50 |
cburgess | Excellent | 23:50 |
cburgess | I'll go work on that list tonight. | 23:50 |
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jogo | cburgess marun: thanks! | 23:50 |
marun | thank you both! | 23:53 |
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