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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constand in agent functional tests https://review.openstack.org/103000 | 02:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constant in agent functional tests https://review.openstack.org/103000 | 02:17 |
| HenryG | marun: ping | 02:18 |
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| marun | HenryG: pong | 03:03 |
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| HenryG | marun: do the functional tests run in any of the gates? | 03:13 |
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| marun | HenryG: yes | 03:13 |
| marun | HenryG: neutron-dsvm-functional? | 03:13 |
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| HenryG | marun: hmmmm. That looks like a full devstack run. I was think more like "tox -e functional" | 03:15 |
| marun | HenryG: that works too | 03:15 |
| marun | HenryG: but some tests will be skipped because of missing dependencies | 03:15 |
| HenryG | marun: OK. I am wondering why this was not caught: https://review.openstack.org/103000 | 03:16 |
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| HenryG | marun: I do see that you must set OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 to pronvoke it | 03:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add config for performance gate job https://review.openstack.org/97803 | 03:22 |
| HenryG | marun: So I guess my question is, does any gate do the equivalent of "OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 tox -e functional"? | 03:22 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Exit rpc_loop when SIGTERM is recieved in ovs-agent https://review.openstack.org/102519 | 03:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Aaron Knister proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Decrement rules_index for duplicate chains https://review.openstack.org/89952 | 03:24 |
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| marun | HenryG: as far as I know, yees. | 03:31 |
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| HenryG | marun: Well then it should be failing, because that constant doesn't exist. | 03:32 |
| marun | HenryG: looking at the test report, I see 4 skips | 03:33 |
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| marun | HenryG: http://logs.openstack.org/00/103000/2/check/check-neutron-dsvm-functional/22d6528/console.html | 03:33 |
| marun | HenryG: that definitely didn't use to be the case so something has changed | 03:33 |
| marun | HenryG: *sigh* | 03:34 |
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| marun | HenryG: I don't see any indication as to why the skips are happening though. | 03:35 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/96267 | 03:36 |
| HenryG | marun: where do I find the scripts for the gates? | 03:36 |
| marun | HenryG: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml | 03:37 |
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| HenryG | marun: I am not very good at this, but I think sudo doesn't inherit env vars? | 03:42 |
| HenryG | Or maybe it does. | 03:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: debug level logs should not be translated https://review.openstack.org/93330 | 04:28 |
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| yfried | salv-orlando: here? | 04:40 |
| yfried | gkotton: ping | 04:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: remove unsupported middleware https://review.openstack.org/102961 | 04:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Fixed dhcp & gateway ip conflict in PLUMgrid plugin https://review.openstack.org/102654 | 05:01 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: nati_ueno: could you please review Mark's flavor proposal? | 05:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: will do | 05:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: Switch over to mox3 https://review.openstack.org/73226 | 05:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: ofagent: Use port desc to monitor ports on br-int https://review.openstack.org/100404 | 06:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/102742 | 06:08 |
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| shadyabhi | Hi everyone, had a basic question regarding veth interfaces in neutron when using OVS + VLANs. How do I list the name of veth interface related to a particular instance. For ex, I can see all relevant interfaces using using neutron port-list's output (first few characters of any port like http://pb.abhijeetr.com/bNVB. | 06:58 |
| shadyabhi | But, how do I know which veth is attaching qvb and qvo interface? | 06:58 |
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| shadyabhi | Does it have a name like we have for linux bridges and ovs bridges? | 06:59 |
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| salv-orlando | yfried: I’m here | 07:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Murali Birru proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89694 | 07:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Zang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Initial functional test case for IptablesManager https://review.openstack.org/102749 | 07:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | IWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Add l3-agent-consolidation spec https://review.openstack.org/91532 | 08:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Use correct MAX_LEN constant in agent functional tests https://review.openstack.org/103000 | 09:09 |
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| esco-franc | hi | 09:13 |
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| menastress_ | Hi everyone, can somebody help me to understand how to implement ml2 plugin? I just don't know where to start. | 13:27 |
| menastress_ | And is it appropriate place to ask such questions? | 13:29 |
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| zzelle | menastress_: for support, join #openstack | 13:43 |
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| menastress_ | zzelle: okey, thank you. | 13:47 |
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| marun | HenryG: I was pretty tired last night, but I came to the same conclusion this morning that env variables weren't inherited. | 14:05 |
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| HenryG | marun: OK. Is there a solution to that? | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | menastress_: it's appropriate place, it's neutron development channel | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | menastress_: probably you're looking how to implement ml2 mechanism driver. You should study how existing mechanism drivers API and how existing MD drivers are implemented | 14:07 |
| marun | HenryG: Prefixing the command with the environment variable should work | 14:07 |
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| marun | HenryG: e.g. sudo -H -u stack OS_SUDO_TESTING=1 tox -e functional | 14:08 |
| marun | HenryG: I've been meaning to add an optional check to the functional tests that will fail instead of skip tests when set. | 14:11 |
| marun | HenryG: 'tox -e functional' should skip for developers when the flag isn't set, but should fail in the gate when the flag is set so that we don't regress like this accidentally | 14:12 |
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| marun | HenryG: Of course, setting the environment variable wouldn't have helped in this case if it were set outside of the sudo invocation | 14:13 |
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| HenryG | marun: So what would work? A config option set by the gate? | 14:21 |
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| menastress_ | enikanorov_: Okay, If, say, I would like to implement new OpenFlow controller as a plugin in neutron and implement that plugin as ml2 mechanism driver. Is it right decision or I should implement controller as standalone plugin? | 14:22 |
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| enikanorov_ | menastress_: i think implementing mechanism driver is preferable | 14:22 |
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| marun | HenryG: the sudo example I gate at 10:07 needs to be used in https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml | 14:26 |
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| marun | HenryG: gate -> gave | 14:26 |
| ihrachyshka | menastress_: sorry for potentially dumb question, but how can it be aligned with existing OpenDaylight plugin? | 14:27 |
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| ihrachyshka | marun: hey! can we push that one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100014/ and be done with oslo.messaging port? this is the last piece not merged yet. | 14:31 |
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| HenryG | marun: OK, I misunderstood. For a moment there I though you were talking about two flags. | 14:31 |
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| * HenryG needs more coffee. | 14:32 | |
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| menastress_ | ihrachyshka: Well, now I'm just investigating possibilities and necessity of embedding a new controller, but if it will be justified it's will be a separate controller. That not depends on me. | 14:34 |
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| marun | HenryG: I did mention another flag, and it would need to be set the same way. | 14:42 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: sure | 14:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | marun: tnx. what's the procedure after the last piece is merged? should mark it somewhere in neutron-specs repo as implemented? or is updating BP status in LP enough? | 14:48 |
| ihrachyshka | s/should/should we | 14:48 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: I think the next step would be updating the bp | 14:49 |
| marun | ihrachyshka: so far as I know there is no step involving the specs repo | 14:49 |
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| ihrachyshka | kk, thanks again | 14:49 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: I've been marking BPs as implemented once the final patches land, but feel free to change it that way yourself as well. Thanks! | 15:01 |
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| boris-42 | mestery hi | 16:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Support Router Advertisement Daemon (radvd) for IPv6 https://review.openstack.org/101306 | 16:21 |
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| marun | HenryG: did you want to submit a fix for the functional job or should I? | 16:32 |
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| aveiga | HenryG: ping | 16:33 |
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| HenryG | marun: I can give it a try. Good way to learn a bit more about the job. | 16:35 |
| HenryG | aveiga: pong | 16:35 |
| marun | HenryG: ok, please do. | 16:35 |
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| aveiga | HenryG: hey, I had a quick question re: RADVD spec. Does it need to be altered to allow for config options for RA interval and lifetime settings? I *really* don't want to set the work back, so if that's the case I'd rether let you push the spec for implementation and file a bug later. | 16:36 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: How about I say that "reasonable defaults" will be selected for the first implementation, and if config options need to be added then bugs can be filed for them? | 16:39 |
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| aveiga | HenryG: perfectly fine with that. I don't want to prevent your progress any further as the spec looks good right now. I'll consider this a feature request and wait until after you've got the working build down first | 16:39 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: thanks | 16:40 |
| aveiga | I would like to use radvd to implement the ipv6 floating ip feature without using NAT, and it requires turning the valid lifetimes down prett low. Hoever, since that's a longer term feature I'll hold off for now | 16:40 |
| aveiga | thanks for putting the spec togetherl it looks good | 16:41 |
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| armax | enikanorov: ping | 16:42 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: ^^ please check it | 16:46 |
| aveiga | absolutely | 16:46 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: adding a config option would be a pretty quick process. I believe it could follow rapidly on the heels of the first commit. | 16:49 |
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| aveiga | HenryG: that's fine, but in the interest of progress first, faetures later I'd rather get this working now | 16:49 |
| nlahouti | yamamoto: ping | 16:49 |
| yamamoto | ? | 16:50 |
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| nlahouti | yamamoto: hi. I have question regarding your review comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89208/. I addressed them and was wondering if you have any other questions? As I still see -1. | 16:50 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: Even better would be an attribute for it/them in the API, so you could do it per subnet. But we should leave that till much later. Maybe the V3 API will have better support for that kind of thing. | 16:51 |
| yamamoto | nlahouti: will take a look | 16:51 |
| aveiga | HenryG: yeah, I agree. It's better there, but we've made enough major changes to the API for a bit. It would be nice for some plugins to be able to alter those settings though, for things like rapid failover networks | 16:52 |
| nlahouti | yamamoto: thx | 16:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sridhar Gaddam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Exit Firewall Agent if config is invalid https://review.openstack.org/90575 | 16:53 |
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| aveiga | HenryG: +1'd, looks good | 17:01 |
| HenryG | aveiga: yay! thanks! | 17:01 |
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| HenryG | aveiga: ping sc68cal to +1 also if you bump into him | 17:02 |
| aveiga | HenryG: will do, though I think he may not be in the office today | 17:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hey folks, we are discussing the flavors blueprints on -meeting-3 | 17:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please join if you can | 17:30 |
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| shivharis | banix Sukhdev: Hi | 18:08 |
| banix | hi | 18:09 |
| shivharis | we are on in about 20 mins? | 18:09 |
| banix | shivharis: i think so; i will be available | 18:11 |
| shivharis | banix: k | 18:11 |
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| shivharis | banix: 11:30 pst, 2:30 est; TTYL | 18:12 |
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| banix | shivharis: sounds good | 18:12 |
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| s3wong | banix: seems like you are multi-tasking... | 18:14 |
| s3wong | :-) | 18:15 |
| banix | s3wong: aren’t we all? :) | 18:15 |
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| mandeep | banix: I am very poor in multi-tasking ... | 18:16 |
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| banix | mandeep: I can’t do it well either. I think there have been studies showing females are better than males in multi tasking; so i am blaming being male :) | 18:19 |
| s3wong | banix: I am also on an ODL meeting now :-) | 18:19 |
| mandeep | I could not agree more! | 18:19 |
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| arosen-home | Hi, I'm wondering if anyone else has been fighting this issue with network-manager on systems that are newer than ubuntu 12.04. Network manager tries to control all your tap interfaces and tries to run dhcpclient on all of them? | 18:23 |
| arosen-home | Anyone find a way to disable this behavior in network-manager? My current solution has been to not use network manager if i'm on wired ethernet to get around it but on wireless it's kind of annoying. | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89694 | 18:32 |
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| shivharis | banix: Sukdev will be delayed by 15 mins, delaying by that amount | 18:33 |
| banix | shivharis: ok | 18:33 |
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| banix | chuckC: ^^^ | 18:36 |
| shivharis | banix: sent email to chuckC | 18:37 |
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| chuckC | banix: hi | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Armando Migliaccio proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L2 Models additions to support DVR https://review.openstack.org/102101 | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Aaron Rosen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: example https://review.openstack.org/103212 | 18:41 |
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| shivharis | banix Sukhdev chuckC: Hi | 18:47 |
| banix | shivharis: hi | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis banix chuckC: Hello guys | 18:48 |
| chuckC | shivharis: | 18:48 |
| chuckC | hi | 18:48 |
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| shivharis | discussing the bulk/sync feature for ML2 | 18:48 |
| shivharis | it appear that that are many uses cases due to errors in back ends | 18:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: RPC additions to support DVR https://review.openstack.org/102332 | 18:49 |
| shivharis | as Sukhdev pointed out the single source of truth needs to be the db | 18:49 |
| shivharis | you all agree? | 18:50 |
| banix | shivharis: agree | 18:50 |
| chuckC | shivharis: yep | 18:50 |
| shivharis | so the goal should be to keep it sane all the time - and derive all operations out of it | 18:50 |
| Sukhdev | banix shivharis chuckC: may I make a suggestion ? | 18:50 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: go for it | 18:50 |
| Sukhdev | In terms of agenda for this meeting - I am thinking lets cover two area: | 18:51 |
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| Sukhdev | 1) The Bug at hand - Bulk transactions - for which banix has some ideas | 18:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: NSX: properly handle floating ip status https://review.openstack.org/103214 | 18:51 |
| Sukhdev | 2) to discuss ML2 Sync - which I believe could solve all these issues from long term point of view | 18:52 |
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| Sukhdev | Do you all agree with the agenda? | 18:52 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: yes, i think these can be dealt with separately | 18:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2 additions to support DVR https://review.openstack.org/102398 | 18:52 |
| shivharis | I was was proceeding with 2 followed by 1, I am ok with 1 then 2 | 18:52 |
| shivharis | banix: your floor | 18:53 |
| banix | even with 2) in hand, 1) needs to be dealt with | 18:53 |
| Sukhdev | So, if we all agree, then I wanted to give banix some time to explain what he had in his mind regarding the bug | 18:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Carl Baldwin proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89694 | 18:53 |
| Sukhdev | then we will jump into the sync discussion - and tie these two together | 18:53 |
| banix | well, the bug can dealt with assuming for now there is no need for sync; let me quickly explain | 18:54 |
| banix | the main issue with the bug is the fact that postcommit ops are called from within a transaction | 18:54 |
| banix | the issue of undoing an operation dure to a mechanism driver failing is there regardless of bulk ops | 18:55 |
| banix | agree? | 18:55 |
| shivharis | agree | 18:56 |
| Sukhdev | Yes - with you so far | 18:56 |
| chuckC | yep | 18:56 |
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| banix | so we need the sync for bulks and non bulks…. we can deal with the ‘transaction” part of the bug now as we work on the sync | 18:56 |
| banix | to deal with this “transaction” aspect of the bug, i think the solution is not difficult | 18:57 |
| shivharis | so what are we suggesting? | 18:58 |
| banix | we need to have the bulk_create ops in ml2 plugin and bring out the postcommits from the transaction | 18:58 |
| shivharis | we fix the transaction first | 18:58 |
| shivharis | ? | 18:58 |
| banix | shivharis: i think we can work on these two at the same time | 18:58 |
| shivharis | ok | 18:58 |
| banix | shivharis: without sync, we will have a partial bug fix | 18:59 |
| shivharis | banix: i agree there | 18:59 |
| banix | which will put us in a place we are with respect to non bulk ops | 18:59 |
| Sukhdev | If you take out post-commit from transaction, do you not loose atomiticy of the operation? | 18:59 |
| banix | i meant with the partial fix non bulks and bulks will be in a similar state | 18:59 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: we have to undo the ops | 19:00 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I have couple of questions - for clarification | 19:00 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura mentioned in the meeting other day that the bulk operations are handled at the layer above (in REST layer) | 19:01 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: I have not looked at the code, but, do you see the code in ML2 Plugin where we support bulk operations? | 19:01 |
| banix | Sukhdev: in the db layer | 19:02 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: not in ml2 plugin as we simply use it from the db mixin | 19:02 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: I see | 19:02 |
| shivharis | banix: i find reversing ops discomforting :-( and here is why... | 19:02 |
| banix | Sukhdev: need to have it (add it) to ml2 plugin | 19:02 |
| Sukhdev | banix: So, Neutron supports bulk operations, but ML2 does not - is that correct assesment? | 19:03 |
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| shivharis | out of 10 backend ops 1 may fail, you plan to back off the entire db operation of 10 and then reverse 9 backends? | 19:03 |
| banix | Sukhdev: ml2 suppports it but has no code for it; used the db mixin code | 19:03 |
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| banix | s/used/uses/ | 19:04 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: in the true spirit of bulk operation, the answer is yes | 19:04 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I see - I got you | 19:04 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: yes that is the main difficulty and the main question as how to do it; i think we may leave this to the sync time | 19:05 |
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| banix | shivharis: ^^^ | 19:05 |
| Sukhdev | banix: So, you suggest by taking post-commit out of transaction solves this? | 19:05 |
| banix | i think it may be fine for the partial bug fix not to deal with this | 19:05 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: yeah; it will be a partial fix | 19:06 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: I see | 19:06 |
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| shivharis | banix: can u walk the steps of the partial bug fix | 19:07 |
| Sukhdev | banix: and this is needed to support sync operation as well | 19:07 |
| banix | sure: | 19:07 |
| banix | add bulk-create-* to ml2 plugin code in which: | 19:08 |
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| banix | here we have a couple of options but one is to do all the precommits in one transaction | 19:08 |
| banix | then do the post commits | 19:08 |
| banix | and leave the undoing if a mech driver fails to the sync fix | 19:09 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: In principal this makes sense - only risk is if MLs are doing any funky stuff (back-end stuff) in pre-commit() calls | 19:10 |
| banix | Sukhdev: this would be similar to what may happen in a non bulk operation as well. right? | 19:10 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct | 19:11 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I do not want derail this discussion - I think you are on the correct path - please keep going | 19:11 |
| banix | and our solution for that has been the “sync” operation | 19:11 |
| banix | Sukhdev: that’s eessentially it; the part specifc to bulk operations is the easier part; the difficult part is the “sync” operation | 19:12 |
| chuckC | An exposure here is if a user does something during post-commit process that makes undo-ing a failed transaction impossible. | 19:12 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I think the fix you mentioned can be implemented quickly | 19:12 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yes | 19:12 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I suggest we close the older bug and open a new one - just for this fix | 19:13 |
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| chuckC | but I don't see a way around it | 19:14 |
| Sukhdev | banix shivharis chuckC: do you agree? | 19:14 |
| banix | Sukhdev: that would be fine but i think the current bug focuses on this simpler issue | 19:14 |
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| shivharis | i am thinking.. | 19:14 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I thought the current bug is looking for reversing the transactions - no? | 19:14 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: thinking is good :-) | 19:15 |
| banix | we need a bug or better yet a spec for sync and when that is in we can have bugs opened for non bulk and bulk operations | 19:15 |
| banix | Sukhdev: difficult to know for sure but the description refers to having the post commits being executed in a transaction | 19:15 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Yes, I have google doc for the sync operation - we can convert it to the spec | 19:15 |
| Sukhdev | banix: OK - I take your word for it... | 19:16 |
| banix | chuckC: yes we have a similar issue with a single operation where one or more but not all mech drivers fail | 19:17 |
| chuckC | banix: agree | 19:17 |
| Sukhdev | banix: shivharis is thinking - let him finish his thought process, if we have agreement, then we can deal with the bug part later | 19:17 |
| shivharis | what if the bulk op is several 1000, post_commit may be in for a long ride | 19:17 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I think when we add code to ML2 plugin, we could create buckets of 10 each or something like that | 19:18 |
| shivharis | at least the db and the state of the switch will match.. | 19:18 |
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| banix | shivharis: that is possible; i think one approach would be not supporting bulk operations at all which is not reasonable imo | 19:19 |
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| shivharis | if a post commit fails at 999 the operation you will have to reverse 998 ops | 19:19 |
| shivharis | and then the db | 19:20 |
| shivharis | s/the/th/ | 19:20 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: no, per this fix which banix is proposing, there will be no reversal | 19:20 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: we have to rely on the sync to take care of the failures | 19:20 |
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| banix | shivharis: sync would try to sync | 19:20 |
| shivharis | you are at the agenda item 2? | 19:21 |
| shivharis | that is the sync you are refering to? | 19:21 |
| banix | shivharis: you pushed us there :) yes | 19:21 |
| shivharis | :-) | 19:21 |
| shivharis | ok, then i am on board | 19:22 |
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| banix | cool | 19:22 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: do you have a link for you bp for sync? | 19:22 |
| Sukhdev | Cool - so, before we get into 2) are we in agreement on 1) ? | 19:22 |
| Sukhdev | banix: let me look - hang on | 19:22 |
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| banix | i think so. | 19:23 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis chuckC : ? | 19:23 |
| chuckC | yes | 19:23 |
| shivharis | ok | 19:23 |
| shivharis | move on | 19:23 |
| Sukhdev | Cool - thanks | 19:24 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I assume you will take the lead in putting together the fix? | 19:24 |
| Sukhdev | banix: we can help and review | 19:24 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sure will do | 19:24 |
| Sukhdev | banix: thanks a ton | 19:24 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sounds good | 19:24 |
| shivharis | banix: thanks | 19:24 |
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| banix | np | 19:25 |
| Sukhdev | Here is the link to the sync spec https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fATwZkJEonH0pIb1-mPD0UB5RKnJzcHYqkBesJhirE/edit | 19:25 |
| Sukhdev | See if you guys can open it | 19:25 |
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| shivharis | yes can open | 19:25 |
| Sukhdev | In terms of Sync - here is my suggestion: | 19:26 |
| shivharis | who initiated the time? | 19:26 |
| shivharis | timer? | 19:26 |
| Sukhdev | We need to do the following (see if you agree) | 19:26 |
| Sukhdev | 1) Lets understand it | 19:26 |
| Sukhdev | 2) Lets discuss it, and debate it | 19:27 |
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| Sukhdev | 3) See if there are better way to do things - bob has an idea which he commented | 19:27 |
| Sukhdev | 4) Once we agree in principal (the way we did for item 1), then we plan the work | 19:28 |
| banix | sounds good | 19:28 |
| Sukhdev | 5) Planning of the work items will be to convert this doc into the spec - we already have BP for this | 19:28 |
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| Sukhdev | So, basically there are two approaches - | 19:29 |
| Sukhdev | One is to re-sync the transactions that fail | 19:30 |
| Sukhdev | Second is we do the whole sync always | 19:30 |
| Sukhdev | First approach is very targetted and will be very efficient | 19:30 |
| Sukhdev | Second approach helps the MDs who come and join in the middle of transactions - it will always throw things at all MDs that is in the DB | 19:31 |
| Sukhdev | Second approach can be heavy handed, but, does have benefits (Bob presented me with some benefits - and listed in the doc) | 19:32 |
| Sukhdev | In order to make second approach efficient, we may need to support bulk operations - | 19:33 |
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| Sukhdev | The first approach is documented and described in details. The second approach is mentioned as comments by Bob | 19:33 |
| shivharis | do sematics of bulk say "do all or nothing"? | 19:34 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: not really - | 19:34 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: the idea is | 19:34 |
| Sukhdev | If I need to throw 100 transactions at all MDs - that could take a long time | 19:35 |
| Sukhdev | I can send all 100 at one time - either it is a sucess or failure | 19:35 |
| banix | shivharis: yes | 19:35 |
| banix | it is supposed to be atomic. all or nothing | 19:36 |
| Sukhdev | if failures, I will resend it until success is returned | 19:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kyle Mestery proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add advsvc role to neutron policy file https://review.openstack.org/101281 | 19:36 |
| Sukhdev | this way - I do not block all other MDs | 19:36 |
| shivharis | banix: that was my assumption | 19:36 |
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| shivharis | depending on sematics the ops are different, we may have to support both approaches | 19:37 |
| banix | i think Sukhdev is talking about a different bulk operation | 19:37 |
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| banix | bulk ops wrt the resync. not the Neutron bulk operations | 19:37 |
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| Sukhdev | We do not have to have bulk operation - in initial implementation we can do one transaction at a time - | 19:38 |
| Sukhdev | it wil only take a bit longer | 19:38 |
| Sukhdev | We could use a hybrid approach (combining one and two) - | 19:38 |
| shivharis | need to leave in 10mins, lets wrap up | 19:39 |
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| Sukhdev | We will push the full sync (which is two) - and if any fails, we will use the targetted sync (which is first) | 19:39 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: we can take it up later - this will give us all opportunity to think a bit more | 19:40 |
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| Sukhdev | I will suggest read the document, digest it, come up with corner cases/ issues and lets discuss again | 19:41 |
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| banix | agree | 19:41 |
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| mestery | Hey salv-orlando, wanted to follow up with you on this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101281/ | 19:41 |
| Sukhdev | No need to rush into it - this will be a huge contribution to ML2 | 19:41 |
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| Sukhdev | We can pick it up in the ML2 meeting on Wednesday - | 19:42 |
| banix | ok | 19:42 |
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| Sukhdev | And, perhaps have a targetted separate meeting like this | 19:42 |
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| Sukhdev | banix shivharis chuckC: So, are we good? | 19:43 |
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| chuckC | yes | 19:43 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: yes, bye all for now | 19:43 |
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| Sukhdev | bye - and thank you guys | 19:43 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Ping | 19:46 |
| shivharis | hello.. got disconnected.. | 19:47 |
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| shivharis | what did i miss? | 19:47 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: no worries we were done - no, you did not miss anything | 19:47 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: ping | 19:47 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I saw you comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97125/ and wanted to | 19:48 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: explain and reach a common ground | 19:48 |
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| markmcclain | sure.. what are your thoughts? | 19:49 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I mention 501 as Salvatore suggested to mention it. However, your other comment about floating IP support - we do not really intend to support - not initially | 19:49 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: wanted to see how do you suggest I word it which will satisfy the requirements | 19:50 |
| markmcclain | hmm.. floating IPs are somethings that's been a required feature of the l3 extension (and plugin) | 19:51 |
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| markmcclain | and we've always maintained that when an extension is implemented it must be implemented in full | 19:52 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Initially, we do not intend to do any NAT stuff | 19:52 |
| markmcclain | well the unit tests will need refactoring | 19:52 |
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| markmcclain | because you will not be able to pass them | 19:52 |
| markmcclain | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/tests/unit/test_l3_plugin.py#n639 | 19:53 |
| markmcclain | the base case has NAT enabled | 19:54 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Instead of 501 - if I returned pass on these features, will that work (Now, I am thinking out loud) | 19:54 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: this spec is similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95910/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89608/ | 19:55 |
| markmcclain | alternatively you could implement the class adding skips versus silent passes | 19:55 |
| markmcclain | ok.. so this is really bubbling a larger discussion | 19:55 |
| markmcclain | which should we allow 501s | 19:55 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: yes, that is an idea | 19:55 |
| markmcclain | 501s result incompatible APIs from cloud to cloud | 19:56 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: So, if I pull out 501 and mention that we will implement a class adding skips - will that be acceptable? | 19:57 |
| markmcclain | no because the API will still fail | 19:57 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: tempest for 3rd party CI will fail due to floating: | 19:58 |
| markmcclain | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/test_network_advanced_server_ops.py | 19:58 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: ^^^ | 19:59 |
| * mestery looks | 19:59 | |
| markmcclain | mestery: 501s and partial implementations | 19:59 |
| markmcclain | traditionally we have not allowed partial implementations because the API is no longer portable | 19:59 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Agreed on that front | 19:59 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: now I am confused :-) so, if I returned pass for unsupported API (instead of 501) - that should satisfy the APIs, no? | 20:00 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: expect for the end user will think it works when it does not | 20:05 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I see your point - there are two issues, 1) what to return to the users 2) to satisfy the tests APIs | 20:06 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: yes and we're boxed in by the fact that the v2 version for l3 requires floating too | 20:07 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Customers (when running this plugin) will know these functions are not supported - hence would be expected to know the behavior | 20:07 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: on the second point - to keep tests and CI's happy, if we returned pass, that should meet the requirement | 20:08 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: I prefer explicit skips | 20:08 |
| markmcclain | because those are logged | 20:08 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: But, I thought you mentioned, if I implemented skips, the APIs will fail | 20:09 |
| markmcclain | I do think we're going to need to have to the larger discussion re 501s | 20:09 |
| markmcclain | cinder has a similarly strict requirement as we have | 20:09 |
| markmcclain | skips for the UT test | 20:09 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Shall I ask mestery to put it on next meeting's agenda | 20:09 |
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| markmcclain | but tempest testing will probably still fail | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | because it will try floating IP operations | 20:10 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: what if returned pass and also logged it? | 20:10 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: this plugin will run in a very controlled environment (with full vendor support) and full explanation of capabilities - | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | test would fail because API would not respond correctly | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: ack | 20:12 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: and If I can meet the CI requirements to ensure that they are happy, we should be good, right? | 20:12 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: the problem is not deployment but policies for code we allow to merge into tree | 20:12 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: with you 100%, hence, trying to see middle ground :-) | 20:13 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: s/see/seek | 20:13 |
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| zzelle | Sukhdev, markmcclain, if i can share my experience on the topic | 20:15 |
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| markmcclain | zzelle: sure | 20:16 |
| zzelle | Sukhdev, markmcclain, we internally did define an API and two implementations using 2 backends | 20:16 |
| zzelle | the first fully implement the API, the 2nd not (mainly because of backend current limitations) | 20:17 |
| zzelle | at first, we choose the 2nd should fully implement the API but mock unsupported features ... | 20:18 |
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| zzelle | it ends in a mess, because we add lots of unhappy users because they do not understand what was mocked and what they should expect | 20:19 |
| markmcclain | zzelle: was going to ask the response :) | 20:19 |
| zzelle | finally, the change to the 501 approach, now | 20:19 |
| zzelle | oups | 20:20 |
| zzelle | finally, we change to the 501 approach => no more troubles, because it is explicit | 20:20 |
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| zzelle | for functional tests, we choose to skip at test runtimes to skip and log tests with 501 | 20:21 |
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| markmcclain | yeah explicit is always good | 20:22 |
| zzelle | the lesson we learn explicit is better than implicit | 20:22 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: I think you should proceed so that you can solve your customer's needs | 20:22 |
| zzelle | :) (python style) | 20:22 |
| mestery | markmcclain: +1 | 20:23 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Thanks - you have to bless it then | 20:23 |
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| markmcclain | I think late July we should circle back whether we as a community want to change the rules accept partial implementations in the tree or redefine parts of the api to allow 501s in certain cases | 20:23 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I agree | 20:24 |
| markmcclain | (reason for deferring to late july is there is a lot on the team's plate right now) | 20:24 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: or alternatively this could be discussed in Paris summit - if you prefer | 20:24 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: that too | 20:25 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: for the spec to move forward, do you want to make any changes? | 20:27 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: the spec itself is fine, but it won't get approved for Juno due to the 501 | 20:28 |
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| markmcclain | that doesn't mean you can't write the code | 20:28 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: that is half cooked :-) | 20:29 |
| RaginBajin | I am having some problems with getting our networking back up. We just upgraded from Grizzly to Havana and made the move to Neutron. It seems now we are having sporadic issues with servers not getting DHCP at all. All the process seem to be running, nothing is throwing out any errors. | 20:29 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: What if took zzelle's approach to get around the issue? This will create a lot of work for me, but, will be able to get into Juno | 20:30 |
| RaginBajin | I can do a tcpdump on all the devices and see the traffic go from one to another from the hardware interfaces (eth1, etc) but still nothing is responding. It seems we keep getting some to work and then others will start to fail | 20:30 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: I don't like the mocking for zzelle's reason | 20:30 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: me neither - but, how do I make it into Juno? | 20:31 |
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| markmcclain | that's why I was thinking we could revisit the discussion in late july | 20:32 |
| markmcclain | it should not hold you up on implementing | 20:32 |
| markmcclain | just merging into tree | 20:32 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I see - | 20:32 |
| markmcclain | and the consensus is we can't merge you'll have code that you can ship to customers | 20:32 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I will have mestery put it on the agenda for not next meeting, but the following meeting | 20:34 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: On July 7th | 20:35 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: that's mid-cycle sprint and then I think the next time mestery and I will be around will late July | 20:35 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: oops my bad - as soon as I typed it came to me :-) | 20:35 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: I will be there in the sprint as well | 20:36 |
| markmcclain | awesome | 20:36 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain thanks for review=) | 20:36 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: perhaps discuss when we are all drunk (over drinks) :-) | 20:36 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain what do you think will be it possible to add profiling support in Juno in Neutron? | 20:36 |
| markmcclain | boris-42: you're welcome sorry it took so long.. my queue is way to deep right now | 20:37 |
| markmcclain | boris-42: I'd like to see us get functional parity in first | 20:37 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain it's just small patch that actually adds middleware + initialization | 20:37 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain btw should I make spec for profiler? | 20:38 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain cause it's just really small patch | 20:38 |
| markmcclain | bug | 20:39 |
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| mestery | +1 for bug | 20:42 |
| mestery | boris-42: I think I had given that advice too :) | 20:42 |
| boris-42 | mestery markmcclain thanks guys=) | 20:42 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain mestery you are saving a lot of my time=) | 20:42 |
| mestery | boris-42: We're all about saving time /cc markmcclain | 20:42 |
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