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| kong | Anyone can help to review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98966/, thanks a lot! | 01:19 |
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| sbfox | Quick question, does inconsistency in documentation compared to what actually happens constitute a bug? | 02:51 |
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| jamespd | sbfox: sounds like a bug to me. | 03:20 |
| sbfox | I just want to double check Im not being an idiot, this page states you can share an IP across 2 or more VIPS right? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/API#Create_a_VIP | 03:21 |
| jamespd | I doubt you are being an idiot, but I haven't got time to look. sorry | 03:23 |
| sbfox | Oh trust me, its possible :) | 03:23 |
| jamespd | :D | 03:23 |
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| yamahata | yamamoto: ping? | 05:57 |
| yamamoto | ? | 05:57 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: Re: spec of physical topology. As banix doesn't seem on IRC. | 05:58 |
| yamahata | I could catch him at ML2 meeting though. | 05:59 |
| yamahata | banix (and you) caim that LINK table/API should be introduced. and LINK should be treated as first class resource. | 05:59 |
| yamahata | Is it quite natural? | 06:00 |
| yamamoto | i did? :) | 06:00 |
| yamahata | Any good use case other than retrieving graph | 06:00 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: maybe not. my mistake. | 06:00 |
| yamamoto | i thought link might have some properties | 06:00 |
| yamamoto | eg. link speed | 06:00 |
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| yamahata | something corresponds to cable? | 06:01 |
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| yamamoto | yes. probably such properties can be in one of peers though | 06:02 |
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| yamahata | yamamoto: Got it. thanks. I'll try to catch banix. | 06:03 |
| yamamoto | btw did you consider non one-to-one links like wifi? | 06:03 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: Good question. I haven't thought of it. | 06:04 |
| yamahata | Is it a topology? | 06:04 |
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| yamahata | peer in port doesn't work. | 06:05 |
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| chuckC | yamahata, yamamoto: hi, I reviewed physical topology spec also. | 06:05 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 06:05 |
| yamahata | chuckC: Hi. | 06:05 |
| yamahata | I'd like to discuss with you. | 06:06 |
| chuckC | great | 06:06 |
| chuckC | I was wondering about virtual links, where the bandwidth of a physical link is divided | 06:07 |
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| yamahata | the comment on network table, rigth? I think you mean SR-IOV. | 06:08 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/100429 | 06:08 |
| yamahata | Also bonding case? | 06:08 |
| chuckC | no, this is a special feature offered by some vendors (HP, Dell are ones I know of) | 06:09 |
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| yamahata | I see. | 06:09 |
| yamahata | Does it have a network interface that corresponds to a physical link? | 06:10 |
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| yamahata | Or is it hidden from OS? | 06:10 |
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| chuckC | It's a negotiation between the switch and the NIC to present separate ports to the host which look like NICs | 06:11 |
| yamahata | I had though of cisco ucs case. | 06:11 |
| chuckC | maybe they do something similar, I don't know | 06:11 |
| chuckC | the ports presented have a configurable fraction of the bandwidth of the actual wire | 06:12 |
| yamahata | There is no port that represents the actual wire? | 06:12 |
| chuckC | Not in the HP case. Not sure about Dell. | 06:12 |
| yamahata | If there is, we can introduce parent/child column to network port table. | 06:13 |
| yamahata | Is there no way to tell sibling relationship? | 06:13 |
| yamahata | s/no way/any way/ | 06:14 |
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| chuckC | Yes, though I don't think it would be through the host. There are (special) api's that can provide the data, but would be vendor-specific. | 06:15 |
| openstackgerrit | IWAMOTO Toshihiro proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: Add l3-agent-consolidation spec https://review.openstack.org/91532 | 06:16 |
| chuckC | I think this configuration challenged one of the 1-1 relationships in your model. | 06:16 |
| yamahata | makes sense. What we can do is to add parent/child relation or sibling relation to network port table | 06:16 |
| yamahata | which 1-1 model? | 06:17 |
| chuckC | let me look, I may not have remembered correctly (it's getting late for me!) | 06:17 |
| yamamoto | probably use some key in network_port.capability? it doesn’t seem too common usage. | 06:19 |
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| yamahata | yamamoto: should we introduce something like config in addition to capability? or do you mean something else? | 06:20 |
| yamamoto | i don’t know if the relationship is a config | 06:21 |
| chuckC | it was in the OVS Mechanism Driver diagram, relationship between 'network device/interface' and 'network port' is stated as 1-1. I'm not sure exactly what the network port would represent in this case, though. | 06:21 |
| yamamoto | i merely questioned if it’s worth to have a dedicated columns for that. | 06:22 |
| yamahata | chuckC: do you mean property of Linux network interface (e.g. bandwidth) can change dynamicall? | 06:23 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: I see. | 06:24 |
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| yamamoto | time to go home for me. later. | 06:24 |
| yamahata | dynamcall dynamically | 06:24 |
| yamahata | yamamoto: bye | 06:24 |
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| yamahata | anyway I'll give it a consideration | 06:25 |
| chuckC | yamahata: dynamic in the sense that a different management system can change it. However, such changes are rare in HP's solution. Other vendors may be more dynamic | 06:25 |
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| yamahata | chuckC: Okay I understand the situation. need to rethink. | 06:27 |
| openstackgerrit | yalei wang proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ValueError should use '%' instead of ',' https://review.openstack.org/100431 | 06:27 |
| chuckC | yamahata: ok. Have a nice day! | 06:28 |
| yamahata | chuckC: good night! | 06:28 |
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| Vishal_ | enikanorov__: Hi | 06:45 |
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| Vishal_ | enikanorov: Please review the code changes for bugid 1319361 | 06:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sumit Naiksatam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Group Policy DB-1: EP, EPG, L2 Policy, L3 Policy https://review.openstack.org/96050 | 09:15 |
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| epa_ | Good day. I'm evaluating openstack (vs. euca/aws/boto) and have run into bit of problem with python-neutronclient and python-novaclient. | 09:15 |
| epa_ | I can make network and bunch of subnets into it, but I'm yet to find out how to define into which subnet to start an instance into. | 09:16 |
| epa_ | novaclient.servers.create(...., nics=[{'net-id': <uuid>}]) seems to start a new vm but it goes into the first subnet | 09:17 |
| ihrachyshka | epa_: there's a blueprint for this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/selecting-subnet-when-creating-vm | 09:17 |
| epa_ | ihrachyshka: thx I'll have a look | 09:17 |
| ihrachyshka | epa_: meaning, the feature is not there, but people are working on it | 09:17 |
| ihrachyshka | (and you can join to help) | 09:18 |
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| epa_ | ihrachyshka: True. And should we choose to go with openstack then we'll donate what improvements we make. | 09:20 |
| epa_ | I'm not exactly certain as what the difference is between Network and Subnet | 09:21 |
| epa_ | I originally thought Network is ~= VPC | 09:21 |
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| epa_ | but according to the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-aws-vpc-support the VPC is somewhat closer to Project level | 09:22 |
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| ihrachyshka | epa_: network is a broadcast domain, subnet is a block of IPs with routing and DHCP settings attached | 09:23 |
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| ihrachyshka | epa_: see http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/Concepts-d1e369.html | 09:23 |
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| abhishek | Hi, I am using ml2 plugin for two different hypervisor types: hyperv and KVM pointing to the same controller, but the ordered list of mechanism_driver is not working the way it should. | 09:29 |
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| abhishek | It always takes the first one of the ordered list. | 09:30 |
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| abhishek | Is somebody aware of this issue? | 09:30 |
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| gongysh | amotoki: ping | 09:48 |
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| abhishek | I am using ml2 plugin for two different hypervisor types: hyperv and KVM pointing to the same controller, but the ordered list of mechanism_driver is not working the way it should. It always takes the first one of the ordered list. Is somebody aware of this issue? | 10:01 |
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| blinky_ghost | hi all, is it possible to setup HA for L3-agents? I use icehouse. Thanks | 10:08 |
| Topcsplayer | I am using ml2 plugin for two different hypervisor types: hyperv and KVM pointing to the same controller, but the ordered list of mechanism_driver is not working the way it should. It always takes the first one of the ordered list. Is somebody aware of this issue? | 10:08 |
| gongysh | amotoki: ping | 10:09 |
| Topcsplayer | I am using ml2 plugin for two different hypervisor types: hyperv and KVM pointing to the same controller, but the ordered list of mechanism_driver is not working the way it should. It always takes the first one of the ordered list. Is somebody aware of this issue? | 10:10 |
| Topcsplayer | :( | 10:10 |
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| ihrachyshka | blinky_ghost: http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/_running_neutron_l3_agent.html | 10:14 |
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| gongysh | <Topcsplayer>: what is the problem? | 10:25 |
| rossella_s | gongysh: thanks for your review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66899/ ...would you mind having a look at my answers? That patch has been around for months and was already approved then delayed to juno, I'd really like to get that merged finally | 10:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Murali Birru proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 Scheduler Changes for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89694 | 10:30 |
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| rossella_s | gongysh: thanks a lot! | 10:35 |
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| blinky_ghost | ihrachyshka: does this plugin works with neutron using namespaces? I've tried this on havana and it didn't work. | 10:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Remove SELECT FOR UPDATE use in ML2 type driver release_segment https://review.openstack.org/100345 | 11:06 |
| lukego | Is this error/-1 from the neutron-specs Jenkins something real or a transient issue I should request a recheck on? http://logs.openstack.org/07/95707/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/50d0714/console.html.gz | 11:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | blinky_ghost: should work | 11:07 |
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| Topcsplayer | <gongysh>: The problem is I want my neutron ml2_plyugin to work for both KVM and Hyperv. But both are not working suimultaneously. mechanism_driver either work on "hyperv" or "openvswitch". The comma separated value which is mentioned as an ordered list doesn't work or it could be a configuration issue. | 11:20 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: hey. do you have a bit of time to share some knowledge re db lock timeouts with me? | 11:33 |
| salv-orlando | why not | 11:34 |
| salv-orlando | so basically I’m not sure if you’re aware that actually it is not a sqlalchemy or db backend issue. | 11:34 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: that's green thread switched in wrong time issue, right? | 11:34 |
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| Topcsplayer | <gongysh> : Are you there? | 11:35 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka - correct. Basically eventlet triggers a context switch in the middle of a transaction, switching to another thread which opens another transaction | 11:36 |
| salv-orlando | and this might trigger the deadlock. In tempest runs it appears quite a lot because most operations are of the create/update/delete kind | 11:36 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: does *any* new transaction result in timeout? in other words, is lock global? or per table? | 11:36 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: not all transactions… | 11:37 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: so this is for rw access only, right? | 11:37 |
| salv-orlando | yes. Indeed that’s why you see that a lot in our tempest tests, but not as frequently in production environments | 11:37 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: we got it in production. I hope you have access to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1109577 | 11:38 |
| salv-orlando | because in tempest test it often happens that a resource is destroyed while some agent fis updating it status. | 11:38 |
| ihrachyshka | there, a user deletes multiple instances with floating IPs at once, and get the failure | 11:38 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: not saying it does not show up in production. | 11:38 |
| salv-orlando | I’m saying tempest test give you a higher yield than typical production use | 11:38 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, got it | 11:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Evgeny Fedoruk proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-tls https://review.openstack.org/98640 | 11:38 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: That one in particular, has been introduced by me ;) | 11:39 |
| salv-orlando | however, this is the common pattern to this kind of error. | 11:39 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: how long is the timeout? I would expect to see traceback starting several minutes earlier than the last failure line, but it seems the timing is the same for the whole traceback. | 11:39 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: that one - floating IPs one? | 11:40 |
| salv-orlando | 50 seconds by default on mysql | 11:40 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: yes, because I introduced the status update | 11:40 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, so to debug those issues, we may try to read back logs for ~minute and see which operations were invoked during that time, right? | 11:40 |
| salv-orlando | anyway - the failue pattern is always the following: | 11:40 |
| salv-orlando | you delete a resource, and in the meanwhile an agent tries to update it | 11:40 |
| salv-orlando | I’m sure it’s clashing with the delete floating IP | 11:41 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: do you have a link to your patch that introduced the failure? | 11:41 |
| salv-orlando | I would bet 100euros (80 GBP) on that | 11:41 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: good, I like when money talks :) | 11:41 |
| salv-orlando | if you’re in Czech Rep I’m not sure how many kruna would that be | 11:41 |
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| ihrachyshka | 2600 CZK :) | 11:42 |
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| salv-orlando | the pattern in the logs is however deceiving | 11:43 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Add missing keyword raise to get_profile_binding function https://review.openstack.org/99855 | 11:43 |
| salv-orlando | you see a delete operation going on and no error. | 11:43 |
| salv-orlando | At some point then the log stays totally silent for 50 secs | 11:43 |
| salv-orlando | and then you get the error | 11:43 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, now that we put our virtual money at stake and assume we know the reason of the failure, how does an ideal fix look like? should we check all the update status code and remove any possible yields? | 11:43 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: the patch you talked about is a1b08606f2a73339b31ab49d172ae8793d76a55b, right? | 11:54 |
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| salv-orlando | sorry for the delay. I had a call on the phone. | 11:57 |
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| salv-orlando | There are a lot of fixed. As argued by some, the ideal fix should be fix eventlet | 11:58 |
| salv-orlando | Others said the ideal fix should be remove eventlet and use something else | 11:59 |
| salv-orlando | However, I agree with the decision that was taken to look at realistic fixes | 11:59 |
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| salv-orlando | and so it was decided to implement a semaphore to wrap transaction susceptible to lock wait timeout error | 12:00 |
| ihrachyshka | there was a good idea to catch switches under transaction and report in log/fail. | 12:00 |
| ihrachyshka | but yes, it's more realistic to discuss specific issues now :) | 12:00 |
| salv-orlando | Yes I think marun was looking at that. That would simplify spotting this issue. | 12:00 |
| ihrachyshka | yes, he's the one. no idea whether it moved further than being a nice idea though | 12:01 |
| salv-orlando | Anyway - we pushed a few patches to fix “critical” lock wait timeout issues plaguing upstream gate. To cut a long story short (and the story was very long) | 12:02 |
| salv-orlando | a global semaphore was implemented. | 12:02 |
| salv-orlando | Now being global is probably a bit too restrictive, so we’re now in the process of changing a bit this logic and using a resource level lock | 12:02 |
| salv-orlando | I’m trying to find an example of such usage in the code | 12:02 |
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| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py#L726 | 12:04 |
| salv-orlando | in this case both delete_port and update_port have db transactions wrapped by this lock | 12:04 |
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| salv-orlando | however the lock is global, which is unnecessary | 12:04 |
| salv-orlando | instead of ‘db-access’ it should probably be ‘db-access-<resource_id>' | 12:04 |
| salv-orlando | I’m working on this today however, so there is not much to wait for a fix, so I might as well sort the floating ip problem as well. | 12:05 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: aha, I see. do you want me to create a bug for floatingips in launchpad? | 12:06 |
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| salv-orlando | yes why not - maybe just point to redhat bugzilla | 12:08 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: btw looks like another instance of similar nature: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311970 | 12:11 |
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| salv-orlando | ihrachishka: ah that’s a dupe of the one we fixed, I think. give me just two minutes to find the fix in git log | 12:13 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: fyi I've created a bug for Red Hat issue in LP: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1330955 | 12:14 |
| salv-orlando | great thanks | 12:14 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: if you need anything more from my side on the issue, please tell | 12:15 |
| salv-orlando | I think the patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1283522 fixes also bug 1311970. I will try and verify with logstash that theat lock wait timeout does not occur anymore | 12:15 |
| salv-orlando | sure, no problem | 12:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: API Extension for l2-gateway https://review.openstack.org/100278 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: VLAN trunking networks for NFV https://review.openstack.org/97714 | 12:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: VLAN aware VMs https://review.openstack.org/94612 | 12:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Trunk port support for VLAN ML2 type driver https://review.openstack.org/92541 | 12:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: NFV unaddressed interfaces https://review.openstack.org/97715 | 12:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 OVS: portsecurity extension support https://review.openstack.org/99873 | 12:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: DB migration refactoring https://review.openstack.org/95738 | 12:30 |
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| kashyap | Anyone w/ more deeper knowledge of Neutron a spare minute to confirm my test in comment #2 validates what the reporter is saying? This is IceHouse on Fedora-20. More details here -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1048053#c2 | 12:33 |
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| Topcsplayer | Hi all, I want my neutron ml2_plyugin to work for both KVM and Hyperv. But both are not working suimultaneously. mechanism_driver either work on "hyperv" or "openvswitch". The comma separated value which is mentioned as an ordered list doesn't work or it could be a configuration issue. | 12:39 |
| Topcsplayer | ML2 claims that it supports multiple mechanism drivers simultaneously | 12:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vivekanandan Narasimhan proposed a change to openstack/neutron: L2 Agent/ML2 Plugin changes for L3 DVR https://review.openstack.org/87730 | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Roey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: Process port_update notifications in the main agent loop https://review.openstack.org/94882 | 13:41 |
| flaviof | garyk: ping | 13:41 |
| garyk | flaviof: yo | 13:43 |
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| flaviof | garyk: I was wondering if you could +1 my proposed changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100130/ | 13:45 |
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| flaviof | garyk: I do not know who/how I can merge it in, actually. do you? | 13:45 |
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| garyk | flaviof: well, it is just a matter of time to wait until the patch gets reviewed. you have addressed my comments. thank you | 13:48 |
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| flaviof | garyk: got it. thank you! | 13:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/99762 | 13:52 |
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| Vishal_ | enikanorov: Hi | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 14:00 |
| Vishal_ | Is there any cli support to update the quota limits for lbaas | 14:00 |
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| Vishal_ | I can set lbaas quota limit using neutron.conf...but was not able to do via cli | 14:01 |
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| flaviof | garyk: regarding your comment on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 14:03 |
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| flaviof | garyk: should I re-submit it ? or is that a ref for next time I do a commit? | 14:03 |
| garyk | flaviof: yes, you just need to try and write the commit messages in the recommented format. that is header is a short summary and then a description | 14:03 |
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| garyk | flaviof: up to you. i you resubmit then let me know and i'll take a look again. | 14:04 |
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| flaviof | garyk: okay. took me a while to get it all passing. given this is pretty minor I will let it be for now, but do a better job next time. | 14:05 |
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| garyk | ok. np | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Luke Gorrie proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Snabb NFV mechanism driver for ML2 https://review.openstack.org/95711 | 14:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Roey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: ensure removed ports get treated on resyncs https://review.openstack.org/94888 | 14:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Roey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: Process port_update notifications in the main agent loop https://review.openstack.org/94882 | 14:13 |
| cgoncalves | banix, SumitNaiksatam: if possible, please review my last comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92477. thanks :) | 14:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Roey Chen proposed a change to openstack/neutron: MLNX Agent: ensure removed ports get treated on resyncs https://review.openstack.org/94888 | 14:14 |
| banix | cgoncalves: sure. will do. | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Koteswara Rao Kelam proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Proper validation for inserting firewall rule https://review.openstack.org/100560 | 14:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean M. Collins proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Ensure entries in dnsmasq belong to a subnet using DHCP https://review.openstack.org/64578 | 14:24 |
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| ihrachyshka | salv-orlando: still around? | 14:26 |
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| xuhanp | markmcclain, I've replied your comments on my review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80932/, can you help take another look? Thanks! | 14:28 |
| cgoncalves | banix: thanks for your prompt review ;-) | 14:28 |
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| pcm_ | anyone: I'm struggling trying to figure out why my Jenkins tests are failing. Can anyone advise? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96946/2 | 14:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | pcm_: see 'Neutron did not start' in devstacklog.txt. You could try to start devstack, apply your changes to local neutron checkout, and restart neutron server to be able to debug why exactly it failed | 14:45 |
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| pcm_ | ihrachyshka: Good idea. I'm currently rebasing in my environment to pick up latest changes. | 14:46 |
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| pcm_ | ihrachyshka: I was seeing that some test suites show it didn't start, others have failures in setup. | 14:46 |
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| pcm_ | ihrachyshka: as soon as I finish rebase, I'll give this a go. thanks! | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/99762 | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Isaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: physical-network-topology extension spec https://review.openstack.org/91275 | 15:05 |
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| zzelle | HenryG: hi | 15:12 |
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| HenryG | zzelle: Hi | 15:13 |
| zzelle | HenryG: i am not sure to understand your comment on https://review.openstack.org/100345 ... more precisely what is a cookie cutter pattern | 15:14 |
| HenryG | zzelle: Sorry, it was just an observation. Each type has a similar delete pattern, so maybe one day a common function can be made. | 15:15 |
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| zzelle | HenryG: a cookie cutter pattern is refactor to extract abstract common features ? | 15:16 |
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| HenryG | zzelle: I don't think it's an official term. I made it up. | 15:18 |
| HenryG | zzelle: This is what I was imagining: http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/cookies_cut_out.jpg | 15:19 |
| HenryG | zzelle: sorry for the confusion. I will try to be less obscure in future. | 15:20 |
| HenryG | zzelle: Anyway, I don't think it's worth to refactor now. | 15:20 |
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| HenryG | zzelle: In fact, it may never be easy given there are lots of small differences between the type drivers. | 15:21 |
| zzelle | HenryG: oki i wasn't sure of the expression meaning | 15:21 |
| zzelle | HenryG: i am trying to do allocate_tenant_segment using an abstract method .... it is a mess because all type drivers different db keys for segment leys | 15:22 |
| zzelle | s/ley/keys/ | 15:22 |
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| HenryG | zzelle: In general I dislike to see cloned code, but sometimes the "common" template function gets too complicated and unreadble. | 15:25 |
| HenryG | zzelle: You have to decide if it's worth the effort. | 15:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Notify systemd when starting Neutron server https://review.openstack.org/100596 | 15:25 |
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| zzelle | HenryG: the common code is mor readable but it implies slowness because of abstraction | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Notify systemd when starting Neutron server https://review.openstack.org/100596 | 15:27 |
| zzelle | HenryG: so i will try a more pragmatic approach | 15:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Isaku Yamahata proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 OVS: portsecurity extension support https://review.openstack.org/99873 | 15:49 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: ping | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | mestery: I don't see a #neutron-lbaas or #openstack-neutron-lbaas channel on freenode: http://paste.openstack.org/show/84317/ | 15:54 |
| anteaya | mestery: we will need the channel to exist to log it | 15:55 |
| mestery | anteaya: It's there, does it need to be official somehow? | 15:56 |
| mestery | anteaya: Any help appreciated! :) | 15:56 |
| anteaya | freenode can't find it | 15:56 |
| anteaya | what is it called? | 15:56 |
| mestery | anteaya: Yikes | 15:57 |
| mestery | anteaya: it's just "neutron-lbaas" | 15:57 |
| mestery | Does it need to prefix with popenstack? | 15:57 |
| mestery | *openstack | 15:57 |
| mestery | ? | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I typed it wrong, chanser | 15:57 |
| anteaya | missed the v | 15:57 |
| mestery | anteaya: :) | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I will try again | 15:57 |
| mestery | Thanks for the help anteaya! | 15:57 |
| anteaya | 15:57:46 freenode -- | MSG(chanserv): info #neutron-lbaas | 15:58 |
| anteaya | 15:57:47 freenode -- | ChanServ (ChanServ@services.): Channel #neutron-lbaas is not registered. | 15:58 |
| anteaya | it needs to be registered please | 15:58 |
| mestery | Ah, ok, thanks1 | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: a10-lbaas-driver https://review.openstack.org/99478 | 15:58 |
| mestery | anteaya: How do I do that? :) | 15:58 |
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| * anteaya googles freenode register a channel | 15:58 | |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: I don’t think anybody will mind if you use this channel. Unless load balancing people want privacy ;) | 15:58 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: :) | 15:59 |
| anteaya | mestery: ensure you are signed in | 15:59 |
| anteaya | mestery: then /msg ChanServ register ##channelname | 15:59 |
| anteaya | https://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ | 15:59 |
| mestery | anteaya: Thanks for the google-fu :) | 15:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Arvind Somya proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: ML2 Type drivers refactor to allow extensiblity https://review.openstack.org/91811 | 15:59 |
| anteaya | mestery: np | 16:00 |
| anteaya | mestery: after it is registered, run this command `/msg chanserv access #channel add openstackinfra +AFRfiorstv` | 16:00 |
| anteaya | documented here: http://ci.openstack.org/irc.html | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | enikanorov proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: neutron-flavor-framework https://review.openstack.org/90070 | 16:07 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: hey. updated flavors | 16:08 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: sure! I'll review | 16:08 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: i've also answered to your suggestion about the tags API flavors/id/tags | 16:09 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: coool! | 16:09 |
| enikanorov_ | it seems to me that it will complicate things alot - the anwer is in some previous patchset | 16:09 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: which patchset? | 16:11 |
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| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: looking | 16:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: 6th | 16:13 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: which line number? | 16:14 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: 171 | 16:14 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: Thanks | 16:17 |
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| mestery | anteaya: We have the #openstack-lbaas registered now, I've updated my commit. | 16:20 |
| mestery | anteaya: Your review much appreciated! | 16:20 |
| mestery | anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100603/ | 16:20 |
| anteaya | yeah I see it | 16:21 |
| anteaya | trying to wade my way back to it | 16:21 |
| anteaya | thanks | 16:21 |
| mestery | anteaya: thank you! | 16:22 |
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| karimb | hello, does anyone know what can lead to neutron not creating the qg interface for a router in br-ex but a tap device instead ? | 16:22 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: Hi Replied in patchset 6, however this discussion should be noted in the bp | 16:26 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: In alternative design | 16:26 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: you mean the API /flavor/tags? because I've added option of defining capabilities on the service directly to the alternatives section | 16:27 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: cross-project consistency is a good point btw | 16:28 |
| enikanorov_ | it may worth implementing | 16:28 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: I agree with you we need tag. The discussion point is the api form, right? You are proposing different API style for same name. If so, such discussion should be noted. | 16:28 |
| enikanorov_ | however i would find it quite clumsy for operators | 16:28 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: I surely add this discussion | 16:29 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: Generally, I believe operators don't like list format | 16:29 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: extra route, or security gorups | 16:29 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: it is pain for updating | 16:29 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: and not scale | 16:29 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: What if they are 100 tags? | 16:30 |
| karimb | kashyap, ^ | 16:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement https://review.openstack.org/89903 | 16:30 |
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| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: That the reason I believe Amazon, Glance and Nova chooses tag as an resource model | 16:30 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: but, yeah, let's discuss in the bp | 16:30 |
| kashyap | karimb, /me reading the scroll | 16:31 |
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| enikanorov_ | nati_uen_: ok, thanks. I didn't know that | 16:31 |
| enikanorov_ | that seems convincing to me | 16:31 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: let me see, heat guy is complaining for neutron api | 16:31 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-04/msg00591.html | 16:32 |
| nati_uen_ | enikanorov_: sorry, I have to go. TL | 16:32 |
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| sc68cal | kevinbenton: ping | 16:35 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: pong | 16:35 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: Were you going to attend the qos meeting today? | 16:36 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: yep | 16:36 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: would you mind actually running it today? I will be offline for a bit | 16:36 |
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| kevinbenton | sc68cal: sure, do you have a link to the agenda? | 16:37 |
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| sc68cal | kevinbenton: sure, I'll write one up and put it on the subteam page, although it's going to be light | 16:37 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: no prob. and is there a reference handy for the commands to start and stop the meetings? | 16:38 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: yeah, the big ones are | 16:38 |
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| sc68cal | "#startmeeting <name_of_the_meeting" | 16:39 |
| sc68cal | and "#endmeeting" | 16:39 |
| sc68cal | so for the qos one, it'll be "#startmeeting neutron_qos" | 16:39 |
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| sc68cal | kevinbenton: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronQoS | 16:42 |
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| kevinbenton | sc68cal: thanks | 16:43 |
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| ranger81 | Hi | 17:48 |
| ranger81 | When a new VM is launched by nova, how does northbound controller know about it? | 17:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Added missing core_plugins symbolic names https://review.openstack.org/100468 | 17:58 |
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| slogan | I'm currently reviewing the ML2 Cisco VXLAN spec and trying to understand a bit how VLANs are being mapped to VXLAN VNIDs. It appears that mapping happens via ML2 port binding. Is that mapping of a VLAN to VNID arbitrary, or does it come from some configuration? | 18:00 |
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| slogan | I guess what I'm trying to get my arms around is whether or not this mapping is in the scope of the ML2 mechanism driver, or the ML2 VXLAN type driver. | 18:02 |
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| slogan | From here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-ml2_vxlan.html it looks like you can configure the range of VNIDs but it says nothing about how I might map these VNIDs to VLANs. | 18:06 |
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| rcurran | slogan, you still there | 18:10 |
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| slogan | rcurran: yep | 18:14 |
| rcurran | slogan, hi w.r.t. the vxlan cisco_nexus ml2 md spec | 18:15 |
| slogan | the above is the only commentary I was planning to make on the review, I'm inclined to +1 but fuzzy on the VLAN/VNID mappings | 18:15 |
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| rcurran | slogan, agreed. good reason to be fuzzy - the code that will be doing this mapping isn't apart of this bp/spec | 18:15 |
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| slogan | is it somewhere else so I can read it? | 18:16 |
| rcurran | slogan, you'll want to follow - hold on my firefox just froze :-) | 18:16 |
| slogan | I've been googling around but nothing has cleared this up for me. Maybe I need to read the type driver sources? | 18:16 |
| slogan | ok | 18:17 |
| rcurran | slogan, follow this review (spec) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89608/6 | 18:17 |
| slogan | k | 18:17 |
| rcurran | slogan, the code is mostly done and will be pushed up for review right after this spec gets +2 | 18:18 |
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| rcurran | slogan, then there will be a "custom type driver" bp/spec/code added which should then make clearer the vlan<->vni mapping | 18:19 |
| rcurran | slogan, these are listed in my vxlan spec as dependencies | 18:19 |
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| slogan | is it appropriate for me to be reviewing the VXLAN spec at this time? | 18:20 |
| rcurran | slogan, doesn't hurt :-) even though this is a subset of info that you're looking for | 18:20 |
| slogan | I guess other have been, but are we pending the custom type driver bp before we start +1 this review? | 18:20 |
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| rcurran | slogan, i'm hoping that this will get approved even before the other specs get +2'd - but that's not my call. | 18:21 |
| rcurran | slogan, my changes will only be to the ml2/drivers/cisco/nexus code - no common changes in my bp | 18:22 |
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| slogan | I'm very interested in getting the big picture on all the CISCO changes so I can be a better reviewer | 18:23 |
| slogan | er, Cisco | 18:23 |
| slogan | Is it possible to share a list of blueprints I should be subscribed to, read, etc? | 18:24 |
| rcurran | slogan, understood and i'd like to be able to provide this info (or at least pointers to the specs that are covering the bigger picture) but this won't be available until, at least, the custom type driver spec is pushed up | 18:24 |
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| rcurran | slogan, the one i listed is where to start (link is also in my spec) | 18:25 |
| rcurran | slogan, custom type driver not pushed up yet | 18:25 |
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| rcurran | slogan, just pinged the eng working on custom type driver - he'll file a bp today - i'll update my spec w/ this pointer when available | 18:28 |
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| slogan | rcurran: cool. I'm now reading https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/juno/ml2-cisco-apic-mech-driver.rst | 18:31 |
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| rcurran | slogan, ok but that has nothing to do w/ the changes being made to support vxlan configuration on external devices | 18:33 |
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| rcurran | slogan, that is the spec the covers the ml2/drivers/cisco/apic driver - not ../cisco/nexus | 18:33 |
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| slogan | rcurran: somehow I got there from the review you pointed me at (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89608/6) | 18:39 |
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| rcurran | slogan, my bad - sorry - wrong pointer | 18:40 |
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| slogan | that explains it :-) | 18:40 |
| rcurran | slogan - let's try this again - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91811/6 | 18:40 |
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| slogan | awesome, reading | 18:42 |
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| slogan | rcurran: then, what https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-type-driver-refactor is saying is that the allocation of VNIDs will be implemented in the type driver (VXLAN type driver) and then when we get to your mechanism driver, not only will the VNID be allocated but so will the mapping to VLAN? | 18:50 |
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| rcurran | slogan, no in the case that i require (ovs setup w/ vlan segmentation) and external device handling vxlan a "custom type driver" will be needed | 18:51 |
| slogan | ok, but still, that type driver will be responsible for that mapping | 18:52 |
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| rcurran | slogan, i think it's the custom type driver - but honestly not 100% sure myself - waiting for that spec to come out also to understand the overall design | 18:53 |
| slogan | I probably should look at the Arista mech driver, I think they do VXLAN as well, don't they? | 18:54 |
| slogan | not sure if they are solving the same problem however. | 18:55 |
| rcurran | slogan, not sure if that code has been pushed up - i haven't seen it | 18:55 |
| rcurran | slogan, also the vxlan ranges (in cisco_nexus case) would be handled by the cisco_nexus code and then given to the common ml2 code | 18:56 |
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| slogan | you mean the VNID ranges? Is this because the switch needs to not only support OpenStack but other use cases that might involve VXLAN on the switch? | 18:57 |
| rcurran | slogan, correct - for this usecase the vxlans are needed by the external cisco switch. to the host this is still running ovs + vlan encap | 18:58 |
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| slogan | back to basics, so the overall use case is a cluster that is OVS based, and we are patching the VLANs on the Cisco switch with VTEPs that terminate elsewhere in the fabric, and that is pretty much it. | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement https://review.openstack.org/89903 | 19:03 |
| rcurran | slogan, the cisco switch is the vtep | 19:03 |
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| slogan | rcurran: yeah, I think that is what I said. | 19:06 |
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| slogan | rcurran: =1 | 19:09 |
| slogan | er, +1 | 19:09 |
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| rcurran | slogan, ok - so do you at least see where we are at w.r.t. my vxlan spec + asomya's two bp's? | 19:10 |
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| slogan | mostly, yes. I'm going to continue to follow things closely. I'm still on a learning curve with ML2 but been involved with OpenStack since folsom and knowledgeble on overlay networks and OVS. I'm sure whatever fuzz remains will clear up once code reviews start appearing and I get involved. | 19:12 |
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| slogan | rcurran: appreciate your time this morning. | 19:14 |
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| slogan | see you in the ML2 meeting tomorrow | 19:14 |
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| rcurran | slogan, see you then | 19:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bradley Klein proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Add keystone v3 auth support https://review.openstack.org/92390 | 19:27 |
| rkukura | marun: Can you take a look at my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96050? | 19:27 |
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| marun | rkukura: will do | 19:27 |
| marun | rkukura: uh | 19:28 |
| rkukura | marun: Thanks. | 19:28 |
| marun | rkukura: the idea is that the current mechanism is going to go away | 19:28 |
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| marun | rkukura: so gbp should not be perpetuating it | 19:28 |
| marun | rkukura: dependency on existing infrastructure will be addressed separately | 19:29 |
| rkukura | marun: Where was this discussed and decided? | 19:29 |
| marun | rkukura: we're discussing it now, and kevin and I are going to work on it | 19:30 |
| rkukura | I personally feel that exhaustively testing deletes in the UTs is a good thing | 19:30 |
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| marun | rkukura: and you're wrong :) | 19:30 |
| marun | rkukura: on a call, can we talk after? | 19:30 |
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| rkukura | marun: Sure. Are you and kevinbenton going to add new tests that ensure deletes work correctly in all cases? | 19:31 |
| marun | rkukura: that's the idea, yes. | 19:31 |
| marun | rkukura: kevinbenton was the one that pointed out the need. | 19:31 |
| rkukura | marun: And remove the context manager syntax everywhere? | 19:32 |
| marun | rkukura: yes | 19:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Carlino proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add test cases for plugins/ml2/plugin.py https://review.openstack.org/99129 | 19:32 |
| rkukura | Seems like a huge amount if work for very little benefit, and significant risk that regressions will be possible that would currently be caught. | 19:32 |
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| rkukura | kevinbenton: Can you explain why you think using the context managers that delete resources in the UTs is such a bad thing? | 19:33 |
| marun | rkukura: *I* think they are a terrible thing | 19:33 |
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| marun | rkukura: back later | 19:34 |
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| kevinbenton | rkukura: the main point that marun brought up is that they double the amount of api calls that need to be made for each object | 19:34 |
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| kevinbenton | rkukura: at least that’s the main issue as i understand | 19:35 |
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| rkukura | kevinbenton, marun: If you really want to do that, please just change the tests to not call the context managers when they don’t need deletion. I don’t think the context managers serve any purpose other than calling the delete, do they? | 19:37 |
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| kevinbenton | rkukura: well they also provide handy dependency creation | 19:38 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: with port() will create a subnet and network | 19:39 |
| rkukura | kevinbenton: But a function that isn’t a context manager could do exacly the same, right? | 19:39 |
| rkukura | kevinbenton: Using context manager syntax eats up valuable horizonal space, which only makes sense if something is being done as contexts are exited. | 19:40 |
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| kevinbenton | rkukura: yes, it could | 19:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: hey! I have doubt about bin/quantum-rpc-zmq-receiver. Can we remove it? It doesn't seem to be used anywhere, and it probably comes from very old oslo-rpc implementation, and it was implemented later as openstack/common/rpc/zmq_receiver.py in incubator (and we're going to remove that after oslo.messaging port is done). | 19:49 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I am good with that, yes. | 19:50 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: I have another question regarding db locks. In ml2/plugin.py:delete_port(), under subtransaction, we call to disassociate_floatingips(), and this seems to call to notifier. I guess notifier calls may yield, and this may result in failures like https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1330955 . Does my reasoning sound sane? | 19:57 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Yes, your reasoning sounds reasonable to me. enikanorov has been looking into these lock timeout issues already, can you sync with him on this? | 19:59 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: ok, thanks for checking | 19:59 |
| ihrachyshka | enikanorov; around? | 19:59 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: I'm not sure he checked this particular case, I reported it today only | 19:59 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: I think it's pretty late for enikanorov now, he's further east of you even ;) | 19:59 |
| marun | rkukura: the context managers will be removed as part of the effort | 19:59 |
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| marun | rkukura: deletion is not required in most cases, and when it is, it should be explicit | 20:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: good, meaning I'll be able to reach him tomorrow during the day with no hassle! :) | 20:00 |
| enikanorov | ihrachyshka: i'm here | 20:00 |
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| marun | rkukura: context managers are a legacy of when explicit test cleanup was required. db resets and/or transactions make this unnecessary | 20:01 |
| ihrachyshka | heh | 20:01 |
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| ihrachyshka | enikanorov: so, can you check whether I'm sane on that? | 20:03 |
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| enikanorov | on the lock timeout reasoning? yes, that could be the correct cause | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ihar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Removed 'rpc' and 'notifier' incubator modules https://review.openstack.org/98812 | 20:04 |
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| ihrachyshka | enikanorov: thanks | 20:09 |
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| rkukura | marun: I understand that we no longer depend on the context managers for DB cleanup between tests, and that is a good thing. But I feel there is still value in extensively testing deletes as part of the UTs, making sure that sets of interelated objects can be successfully deleted under all the conditions that the UTs test. I acknowledge this might be overkill in some cases, but I believe it does have value in other cases. | 20:17 |
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| banix | anteaya Hi; Have a quick question if you are around | 20:38 |
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| anteaya | well in a meeting | 20:39 |
| anteaya | post it and I will get to it when I can | 20:39 |
| anteaya | stick around or read the logs | 20:39 |
| banix | anteaya: np; will ping you later. thanks. | 20:39 |
| banix | anteaya: Need to transfer the ownership of our CI account (IBM Neutron Testing to be renamed to IBM SDN-VE CI) from me to a colleague. How do I go about doing that? | 20:40 |
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| anteaya | banix: send an email to the -infra ml | 20:41 |
| anteaya | with the account the prior owner and the new owner | 20:41 |
| banix | anteaya: thanks. | 20:41 |
| anteaya | np | 20:43 |
| anteaya | that was a quick question | 20:43 |
| anteaya | usually 'a quick question' takes 20 minutes to figure out what the actual question is | 20:43 |
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| rms_13 | Anybody has a usecase where one can create a network which is both external (router:external=True) and shared. If yes, can you please explain it? | 20:55 |
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| kevinbenton | rms_13: perhaps a service that breaks if NAT is applied | 20:59 |
| rms_13 | kevinbenton: :) | 21:00 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/99762 | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | rms_13: so you allow servers to directly attach to the external network | 21:01 |
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| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: hi! | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: hey, what’s up? | 21:05 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-neutronclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/96267 | 21:05 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: I get UT error in bigswitch plugin on master locally. http://paste.openstack.org/show/84344/ | 21:05 |
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| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: it looks it is working in the Jenkins, but I wonder if you know some hint on this.. | 21:06 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: http://paste.openstack.org/show/84344/ | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow to delegate some tunnel provider attributes choice https://review.openstack.org/74055 | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow to delegate some vlan provider attributes choice to neutron https://review.openstack.org/71904 | 21:06 |
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| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: were you running the full suite of unit tests? | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: on ubuntu13.10 host | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: may be, run_test.sh causes issues. I'm trying tox | 21:10 |
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| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: did it fail if you ran that test in isolation? | 21:11 |
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| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: ./run_tests.sh - - neutron.tests.unit.bigswitch.test_security_groups.TestSecServerRpcCallBack.test_security_group_ra_rules_for_devices_ipv6_gateway_global | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: isolation means venv? I'm using it now. | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: no, i meant just by itself | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: ya it fails in my env | 21:12 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: so it is working in your env, right? | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: so then does it fail for tox? tox -v -epy27 neutron.tests.unit.bigswitch.test_security_groups.TestSecServerRpcCallBack.test_security_group_ra_rules_for_devices_ipv6_gateway_global | 21:12 |
| nati_ueno | oh it works.. | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | mestery: this is the wiki page we just talked about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/TempestAPITests | 21:12 |
| nati_ueno | so -d option make this one failing | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: what does that option do? | 21:12 |
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| nati_ueno | actually ./run_test.sh -d neutron.tests.unit.bigswitch.test_security_groups.TestSecServerRpcCallBack.test_security_group_ra_rules_for_devices_ipv6_gateway_global fails | 21:13 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Thank you sir! | 21:13 |
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| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: -v option is flag for debugging mode | 21:15 |
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| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: trying now with run_tests.sh on my machine | 21:15 |
| marun | rkukura: we should not be relying on implicit deletion behavior in place of explicit tests for deletion. | 21:16 |
| marun | rkukura: that is what I was trying to stress in the gbp review - that explicit testing of deletion scenarios is necessary. | 21:17 |
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| marun | rkukura: doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is still doing the wrong thing. | 21:17 |
| rkukura | marun, kevinbenton: I agree we need some explciit delete tests, and believe we have them | 21:17 |
| marun | rkukura: in general or for gbp? | 21:18 |
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| marun | rkukura: and by explicit, do you mean using context managers or explicitly calling delete() in a given test? | 21:18 |
| rkukura | my main concern is the mapping DB and plugin tests use both the new GP context managers and the port(), subnet(), network(), and router() context managers in the same test cases | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: strange, it does fail for me but doesn’t fail with tox | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: isn’t run_tests.sh going away? | 21:19 |
| rkukura | So mixing variations with different semantics in the same tets will not be ideal | 21:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we have UTs for explicitly testing delete (all along) | 21:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 21:19 |
| marun | rkukura: there should be no new context managers being added | 21:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we are not using the context manager to test delete | 21:19 |
| rkukura | I’d prefer to have the GP UTs follow the current patterns until those do get changed | 21:19 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: what exactly are they being used for then? | 21:20 |
| marun | rkukura: I disagree | 21:20 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: I like run_test.sh because it is an consistent way to run ut in cross project | 21:20 |
| marun | rkukura: why would we want to add more code doing things the wrong way? | 21:20 |
| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: but we can rewrite inside of run_test.sh just using tox :P | 21:20 |
| kevinbenton | nati_ueno: does tox -epy27 not work in all projects? | 21:20 |
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| nati_ueno | kevinbenton: not sure | 21:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement https://review.openstack.org/89903 | 21:21 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: so why are context managers being used? | 21:21 |
| rkukura | marun: I think we are both agreeing that if we do use context managers, they should delete, and if we don’t want deletion in the UTs, we shouldn’t use context managers, right? | 21:21 |
| marun | rkukura: correct | 21:21 |
| marun | rkukura: and since automatic deletion is not desirable, moving away from context managers is the logical course of action | 21:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: if we dont use context manager, can we use contextlib.nested? | 21:22 |
| rkukura | marun: I’ve been arguing that there are some cases where the deletion is desirable. | 21:22 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: for what? | 21:22 |
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| marun | rkukura: you haven't given me any examples | 21:22 |
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| marun | rkukura: and where deletion is desirable, it should be accomplished with explicit delete calls | 21:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: as a convenient way to create multiple resources | 21:23 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam: uh | 21:23 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: there is zero reason to continue using that if automatic deletion is not being used | 21:24 |
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| rkukura | marun: I agree if we were starting with a clean slate, when we test create/delete of sets of interrelated objects (with foriegn keys, …) we are better of doing the deletes explicitly. | 21:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement https://review.openstack.org/89903 | 21:25 |
| rkukura | marun: The current GP DB layer patch in review is kind of a clean slate, but the mapping DB layer patch is not, since it pulls in the neutron resources. | 21:25 |
| rkukura | marun: Its really the mixing of patterns that bothers me. | 21:26 |
| marun | rkukura: I agree about the legacy stuff. Don't add to it and the underlying stuff will be cleaned up. | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: when there are mutliple resources that need to be created, and more so when there is a hierarchy of resources, context manager provides a consice way of doing it | 21:26 |
| marun | rkukura: But adding to the refactoring burden is worse than mixing pattersn | 21:26 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: uh | 21:26 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: create1() | 21:26 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: create2() | 21:26 |
| marun | it's sequential in either case | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: the option to doing that would be using a helper function, which will still pretty much do something similar | 21:26 |
| marun | The fact that contextlib was previously 'necessary' doesn't change that | 21:27 |
| rkukura | marun: I’d agree with you if I felt there was existing concensus about eliminating the UT context managers. | 21:27 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Can you give me an example where this is important? | 21:27 |
| marun | rkukura: uh | 21:27 |
| marun | rkukura: I'm having a really hard time understanding your need for consensus on something that is obviously stupid | 21:27 |
| marun | rkukura: we don't need to autodelete. it's expensive in terms of runtime and adds unnecessary complexity to the tests | 21:27 |
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| marun | rkukura: the fact that it is done that way is entirely accidental | 21:28 |
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| marun | rkukura: so, don't do it in new tests and trust that kevinbenton and I will fix the legacy stuff | 21:29 |
| marun | rkukura: the fact that we're fighting hard against it is a sign that we care enough to do something about it | 21:29 |
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| rkukura | marun: I’m just concerned moving away from the current pattern will allow regressions that would currently be caught. Things like SQL contraint violations that I commonly hit while developing code. | 21:30 |
| marun | rkukura: I would argue the opposite | 21:31 |
| marun | rkukura: that the existing way of doing things encourages developers to ignore resource lifecycle | 21:31 |
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| marun | rkukura: and reviewers have a hard time detecting when a deletion corner-case is not being evaluated | 21:31 |
| rkukura | marun: I can’t argue with that, but also am concerned its very easy for lack of adequate delete testing to slip through even careful reviews. | 21:32 |
| marun | rkukura: you're right that sql constraint violations can be a problem, though | 21:32 |
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| marun | rkukura: the solution is having resource creation methods that are smart | 21:33 |
| marun | rkukura: we have this in tempest | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add vlan type driver unittests https://review.openstack.org/100233 | 21:33 |
| marun | rkukura: things that can cause constraint violations are randomized. we should be doing the same thing in our tests rather than relying on expensive autodeletion | 21:33 |
| rkukura | That’s whats bugging me about this - the current context manager pattern has detected constaint violations that I might not have had for forsight to explicitly test for. | 21:33 |
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| marun | rkukura: can you give me an example? I'm not sure I understand the kinds of violations in question. | 21:34 |
| marun | rkukura: when I think of constraint violations, I think of code that naively attempts to reuse creation values across resources for which uniqueness constraints exist | 21:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add vlan type driver unittests https://review.openstack.org/100233 | 21:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model - 2nd update, fix word wrapping https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 21:35 |
| rkukura | marun: Since the GP mapping DB schema has foreign keys to neutron resources, attempting to delete the neutron resources without first deleting the GP resources causes foreign key contraint violations | 21:35 |
| marun | rkukura: so fk constraints... | 21:36 |
| marun | rkukura: frankly, that's a good thing | 21:36 |
| rkukura | marun: I’m just more comfortable that these constraints are being tested when the UTs are doing the deletes. | 21:37 |
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| marun | rkukura: if lifecycle is being tested, explicit deletion is necessary and reviewer oversight is only effective if all the deletion is clear to see rather than hidden in context managers | 21:37 |
| marun | rkukura: I think we agree on the need for lifecycle/deletion testing | 21:37 |
| rkukura | marun: I agree in principal, but don’t trust myself as a coder or reviewer to know when testing a delete explicilty might be needed | 21:37 |
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| marun | rkukura: I trust less the reviewer who isn't fully aware of what is going on | 21:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow to delegate some tunnel provider attributes choice https://review.openstack.org/74055 | 21:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Allow to delegate some vlan provider attributes choice to neutron https://review.openstack.org/71904 | 21:38 |
| marun | rkukura: the more explicit the better | 21:38 |
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| marun | rkukura: the fact that we've only recently realized that unnecessary deletion is going on is a sign to me that implicit is _bad_ | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: i dont this we are arguing against explicit delete UTs | 21:38 |
| marun | rkukura: there may be teething pains, sure. but it's not like the ut are our only defense | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: if having the implicit delete helps to uncover some corner cases, is it bad? | 21:39 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam: are you willing to ignore the cost? | 21:39 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: our average unit test execution time is 3s on a fast machine | 21:39 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: is that reasonable?? | 21:39 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: at 12k tests x 3s each.... | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: and what part of that 3s is the deletion? | 21:39 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I don't know - why don't you tell me? | 21:40 |
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| rkukura | marun, kevinbenton, SumitNaiksatam: I think I undertand the merits of both sides of this arugment, and could live with either outcome. We just need to decide how to move forward. | 21:40 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: And why don't we continue to add implicit costs that add to the execution time? | 21:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: well, as rkukura is poinitng out there does seem to be a benefit here | 21:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model - 2nd update, fix word wrapping - 3rd update, remove pool_id from hm, stats needs lb_id, not pool_id https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 21:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 21:42 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: And what benefit is that, exactly? | 21:42 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam, rkukura: The cost of blithely ignoring the implicit costs of how our unit tests are written are why we're in the shape we're in. | 21:42 |
| marun | Our unit tests are unit tests in name only. | 21:43 |
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| marun | Unit tests should have sub-second execution time. Few if any of ours can meet that bar | 21:43 |
| rkukura | marun: One thought - if our goal is to speed up the unit tests, we will want to add the explicit deletion to the same unit tests that already do the creates, rather than add new unit tests the do a create only so they can do the delete. | 21:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 21:43 |
| marun | rkukura: why? | 21:43 |
| marun | rkukura: lifecycle should be a limited subset of tests | 21:44 |
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| marun | rkukura: most tests can rely on test cleanup to remove resources | 21:44 |
| rkukura | marun: I agree that not every unit test that does a create needs to explicilty do the delete, but we don’t want to add additional create calls to save a few delete calls. | 21:44 |
| marun | rkukura: actually, we do | 21:45 |
| marun | rkukura: it's not a few delete calls | 21:45 |
| marun | rkukura: every single test that tests mutation tests deletion too | 21:45 |
| marun | rkukura: every single test that creates a parent resource to validate an aspect of its children tests deletion too | 21:46 |
| rkukura | marun: so maybe those tests should be modified to use a create function rather than a context manager | 21:46 |
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| marun | rkukura: what is with this desire to use a context manager everywhere? | 21:46 |
| marun | rkukura: I mean, because it's familiar? | 21:46 |
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| marun | rkukura: we aren't talking about anything that is used in production code. | 21:47 |
| marun | rkukura: implicit doesn't add value in testing! | 21:47 |
| marun | rkukura: it makes evaluation of what a test does _harder_ | 21:47 |
| rkukura | marun: I guess I’ve gotten used to them enough to know the delete is happening when I see one being used in the UTs. I agree explicit would be better, but also didn’t want to mix different patterns. | 21:48 |
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| marun | rkukura: so, compromise. | 21:49 |
| marun | rkukura: You want to make more work, fine. | 21:49 |
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| marun | rkukura: You can be responsible for cleaning up gbp when we've completed the rest of the work. | 21:50 |
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| marun | rkukura: can I count on you for that? | 21:50 |
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| rkukura | Can we agree to remove the context managers in the GP UTs rather than leave them without the deletes? I think that is better than mixing context managers that delete with ones that don’t delete. | 21:51 |
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| marun | rkukura: I was always in favor of removing context managers entirely | 21:51 |
| marun | rkukura: they add no value if we stop autodeleting resources | 21:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun rkukura : ok so i will remove them | 21:52 |
| rkukura | marun: Lets move forward without the context managers in the GP UTs. | 21:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: per your review comment, kevinbenton is the person to validate this with? | 21:52 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: yes. I'm afraid I'll be on PTO until next Tuesday so kevinbenton can make sure I don't block you. | 21:53 |
| marun | rkukura: great | 21:53 |
| marun | ! | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: ok, so we will run this by kevinbenton in your absence | 21:53 |
| rkukura | Was kevinbenton arguing to keep context mangers, but remove the deletes? | 21:54 |
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| marun | rkukura: I think that his suggestion was to remove the deletes as a step towards removal of context managers. | 21:55 |
| marun | rkukura: there are a subset of the tests that use autodeletion to avoid uniquness constraint violations, and removing the deletes would be a low-hanging way of identifying those tests. | 21:56 |
| kevinbenton | rkukura: i was saying that was a possible path, but after seeing the conversation here maybe we should be more explicit than changing the behavior behind the scenes | 21:56 |
| kevinbenton | since everyone has come to expect the context manager to delete things | 21:56 |
| rkukura | So it doesn’t sound like there is any more validation needed. Lets remove the GP UT context managers, use functions instead, and for the mapping DB UTs that use foreign keys, I’ll make sure to test deletion explicilty. | 21:56 |
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| marun | rkukura: +1 | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: lbaas-api-and-objmodel-improvement https://review.openstack.org/89903 | 21:57 |
| marun | kevinbenton: so long as there is not too long of a lag between the patch(es) that remove deletion and fix constraint-violating tests and the patch(es) that remove the context manager entirely, I think it would be a viable approach | 21:58 |
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| marun | kevinbenton: my thought is that there will need to be a way to break up the change for review, since in its entirety it could be really big | 21:59 |
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| zzelle | mestery, hi | 21:59 |
| marun | kevinbenton: but that's not to say that there aren't other possible partitioning choices | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | marun: my initial plan was to change the default on the context managers to see what breaks, then fix those tests and submit that as one patch (assuming hundreds don’t break) | 21:59 |
| mestery | zzelle: Howdy, brave guy venturing in this channel today. :) | 22:00 |
| mestery | zzelle: Whats up? | 22:00 |
| marun | kevinbenton: I think that makes sense. | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: | 22:00 |
| marun | kevinbenton: you don't say? | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: then the followup would be to replace them | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | marun: i was at a loss for words :-) | 22:00 |
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| marun | kevinbenton: heh | 22:00 |
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| marun | kevinbenton: I think that is a good plan | 22:00 |
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| marun | kevinbenton: or a good planning exercise, anyway. | 22:01 |
| marun | kevinbenton: 'plans or useless, but planning is essential' | 22:01 |
| marun | or -> are | 22:01 |
| zzelle | mestery, yes, i come with my knife and my keyboard ! | 22:01 |
| mestery | zzelle: Smart man. ;) | 22:01 |
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| zzelle | mestery, 2 questions | 22:01 |
| zzelle | (at least ?) | 22:01 |
| regXboi | mestery: will ping you tomorrow about the delete order defect | 22:01 |
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| mestery | zzelle: Shoot! (Or, knife. :) | 22:01 |
| mestery | regXboi: Roger sir. | 22:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to openstack/neutron-specs: LBaaS Driver Interface changes for new object model https://review.openstack.org/100690 | 22:02 |
| zzelle | mestery, we develop internally a dhcp scheduler with allocate dhcp using network attributes (network_type and physical_network for flat/vlan) | 22:03 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: :-) | 22:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Salvatore Orlando proposed a change to openstack/neutron: ML2: Prevent lock wait timeout in update_port https://review.openstack.org/91358 | 22:03 |
| zzelle | s/with/which/ | 22:03 |
| marun | kevinbenton: oh, and what about ensuring we don't regress in resource lifecycle testing? | 22:03 |
| marun | kevinbenton: tbd? | 22:03 |
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| mestery | zzelle: OK, I'm following you. | 22:04 |
| zzelle | mestery, it allows to isolate dhcp agents associated to some physical_network for security purpose | 22:04 |
| zzelle | mestery, do you see any interest for the community ? | 22:04 |
| rkukura | zzelle: Curious how you’d know which segment to look at for a multi-segment network? | 22:04 |
| marun | kevinbenton: also, bug/blueprint? | 22:05 |
| mestery | zzelle: That seems interesting to me, yes. But I'm curious about rkukura's question as well. :) | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: i’m not sure | 22:05 |
| zzelle | mestery, oups, i discover multi-segment during partial specs specification thanks to rkukura ! | 22:05 |
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| rkukura | zzelle: And whether you care about the segment a VM binds to vs. the segment a dhcp-agent binds to, which could be different? | 22:05 |
| marun | mestery: bug or blueprint for removal of context managers in the UTs? | 22:06 |
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| mestery | marun: BP perhaps, for no other reason than to raise the issue at a visible level. | 22:06 |
| mestery | marun: makes sense? | 22:06 |
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| marun | mestery: I suppose it does. | 22:06 |
| mestery | zzelle: rkukura is good that way :) | 22:06 |
| mestery | marun: Not that most cores seem to review all the BPs as it is, but that's another problem. | 22:06 |
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| marun | kevinbenton: well, that raises the bar somewhat. specs are never a fun bar to hurdle | 22:07 |
| mestery | marun: Why is that? Is the process too heavyweight? Contentions? Useless? Process heavy? | 22:07 |
| marun | mestery: I'm only starting now. Nervous at whether I'm capable of doing a good job or not. | 22:07 |
| mestery | marun: Perhaps you saw my email requesting this type of input to openstack-dev last week. ;) | 22:07 |
| marun | mestery: Maybe just unfamiliar to me. | 22:07 |
| mestery | marun: Ah, got it. | 22:08 |
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| marun | mestery: I'll have more feedback as I get into it. | 22:08 |
| mestery | marun: Cool | 22:08 |
| zzelle | rkukura, mestery, we do not address such case but i would use dhcp-agent segment or a criteria which verified by all/any segments | 22:08 |
| marun | mestery: I have to write one for retargetable testing when I get back from PTO next Tuesday. | 22:08 |
| mestery | marun: I'm beginning to wonder if we should have a neutron-drivers group, which is a subset of core, for specs review and approval. | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: all of the fields that have to be filled in are intimidating :-) | 22:08 |
| mestery | marun: Nice! | 22:08 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Skip the ones which don't make sense. :) | 22:08 |
| marun | mestery: I think so, but I think we need to address maintenance of the core reviewer team before we approach that. | 22:09 |
| mestery | marun: See the oslo.messaging BP we approvedl ast week | 22:09 |
| mestery | marun: I've taken steps there too, again, see wiki. | 22:09 |
| mestery | marun: I've been busy the past month :) | 22:09 |
| mestery | marun: The process is now documented, though the process for adding/removing is still the same as all other openstack projects | 22:09 |
| marun | mestery: I'd like to see a more evaluative approach, as per discussion at some of the summit sessions. | 22:09 |
| marun | mestery: e.g. anonymous 360 review | 22:10 |
| mestery | marun: And I agree with that. We can input that data for sure, but the overall process has to follow the rest of hte projects, per instructions I have received from speaking to folks. | 22:10 |
| mestery | marun: But that can be input into the process. | 22:10 |
| marun | mestery: I don't think the process precludes doing peer reviews on cores as a way of evaluating who is good at what and who needs to improve. | 22:11 |
| mestery | marun: I'm doing my best to try and address "process" issues raised, I've not yet gotten much feedback from you, though I expected more. :) | 22:11 |
| mestery | marun: Agreed. | 22:11 |
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| marun | mestery: until we have that in place, I'm not sure it makes sense to move forward with a drivers group | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | marun: is an anonymous 360 review one where you anonymously post a review of yourself? | 22:11 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: :P | 22:11 |
| marun | mestery: I think we need objective criteria to identify who should be a driver, rather than having it be an electable accolade subject to political machinations. | 22:12 |
| marun | heh | 22:12 |
| mestery | marun: Yes, obviously that's how it should be. | 22:12 |
| zzelle | rkukura, mestery, honestly i am not sure it's meaningful for the community, so i was wondering if i should propose it as a BP or prefer to propose a least charged dhcp scheduler and rework dhcp scheduler to simplify extension and customization | 22:12 |
| mestery | marun: political machinations serve no real purpose in open source. | 22:12 |
| zzelle | rkukura, mestery, the dhcp scheduler would be easier to customize like router scheduler | 22:13 |
| mestery | marun: The same qualities that make someone a good code reviewer don't necessarily them a good spec reviewer. And vice-versa. | 22:14 |
| marun | mestery: agree completely | 22:14 |
| mestery | marun: I figured as much ;) | 22:14 |
| marun | mestery: I also think that the criteria we use to evaluate cores in a 360 can effectively be the things we collectively feel are important to the project. | 22:15 |
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| marun | mestery: And assuming we do 360s regularly, we would hopefully be able to improve the core team's capabilities over time. | 22:15 |
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| mestery | marun: I suspect our lists are similar. | 22:16 |
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| marun | mestery: Since 360s can include qualitative feedback that individual cores can use to drive personal improvement. | 22:16 |
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| karimb | hello, so i do see traffic on qrouter interfaces , but only ARP.....qrouter doesnt answer to anything....what can i do ? | 22:16 |
| mestery | marun: Absolutely! I'd hate to think of 360s as only a way to REMOVE cores, but rather as a way to grow and improve cores. | 22:16 |
| marun | mestery: violent agreement then ;) | 22:16 |
| marun | mestery: I think the only way 360s would be a way to remove cores would be if a given member shows no interest in working to improve if/when deficiencies are identified. | 22:17 |
| marun | mestery: As you say, it's a way of identifying strengths and weaknesses, and it's up to the individual to act on that feedback. | 22:17 |
| mestery | marun: Yup, agreed. | 22:17 |
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| mestery | marun: Thanks for the process-laden diversion from the LBaaS sprint this afternoon. ;) | 22:19 |
| marun | mestery: ah, you're there already. forgot the dates. you welcome :) | 22:19 |
| marun | you -> your | 22:19 |
| marun | your -> you're | 22:19 |
| mestery | marun: Yup, late flight in last night, long day today. Brain almost mush ... | 22:19 |
| Sukhdev | marun, mestery: what is 360? | 22:20 |
| marun | mestery: thanks to you and Mark for making the trek. definitely an important event. | 22:20 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev marun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-degree_feedback | 22:20 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: ah cool - I learned something new today - thanks | 22:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: your welcome :) | 22:21 |
| mestery | marun: Yup, lots of great people here, lots of progress. | 22:22 |
| marun | mestery: good to hear | 22:22 |
| mestery | marun: Mark and I are like Starsky and Hutch | 22:22 |
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| mestery | marun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starsky_%26_Hutch | 22:22 |
| marun | heh | 22:22 |
| mestery | marun: :) | 22:22 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: ^^^ | 22:26 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I'm not sure if I'm Starsky (due to black hair) or Hutch (due to his being from Duluth, MN) :P | 22:26 |
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| zzelle | mestery, 360 can be efficient to improve team ecosystem but shared and right intentions are required | 22:36 |
| mestery | zzelle: +100 | 22:37 |
| zzelle | mestery, in my last company, my boss test it without sharing intentions ... a mess | 22:37 |
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| mestery | zzelle: That's a recipe for disaster for sure/ | 22:38 |
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| zzelle | mestery, it highlighted and increased person-to-person troubles instead of solving them ... | 22:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Smith proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Modify L3 Agent for Distributed Routers https://review.openstack.org/89413 | 22:43 |
| zzelle | mestery, if you have time, could you have a look to https://review.openstack.org/76685 ? mainly i update to the code to solve conflicts with master branch | 22:44 |
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| mestery | zzelle: Absolutely, will do! | 22:45 |
| zzelle | mestery, thanks | 22:45 |
| zzelle | mestery, about the dhcp scheduler ... i am not sure it's meaningful to the community and perhaps i should propose a dhcp least charged scheduler which allows to rework dhcp scheduler and simplify extension/customization (the work what already done for router scheudler) | 22:47 |
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| mestery | zzelle: Maybe that does make the most sense, yes. | 22:47 |
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| zzelle | mestery, i agree | 22:49 |
| salv-orlando | mestery, markmcclain: Startsky and Hutch… more like Poncharello and Baker imho | 22:50 |
| zzelle | mestery, is there any work around the SELECT FOR UPDATE trouble ? ie: remove/update with_lockmode use | 22:50 |
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| mestery | zzelle: I believe jaypipes was going to assist there. | 22:50 |
| mestery | zzelle: But nothing has happened to my knowledge. | 22:51 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I definitely have to be Poncharello in that case. | 22:51 |
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| zzelle | mestery, i am currently trying to remove them from type drivers in partial specs context and i was wondering if my work was a little bit too focused | 22:53 |
| marun | zzelle: Ideally we'll seek consensus from all the cores that are going to be reviewed as to the content and purpose of the process. | 22:55 |
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| marun | zzelle: If we can't find common ground on those basic issues, it will be clear that bigger problems exist without having to drag everyone through it. | 22:57 |
| zzelle | marun, some with_lockmode can removed only by reworking sql requests, others imply architectural choice/db rework | 22:57 |
| marun | zzelle: oops, I was talking about 360. sorry for diverting you. | 22:57 |
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| zzelle | marun, lol, it makes more sense :) | 22:58 |
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