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| anteaya | mayu I am | 12:22 |
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| jlibosva | anteaya: Hello, I can see isolated jobs passing. May I ask what was the culprit? | 12:58 |
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| anteaya | I have no idea | 12:59 |
| anteaya | jlibosva: do you have a link? | 12:59 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-isolated/ | 12:59 |
| anteaya | interesting I have not see this gui view before, how did you get to it? | 13:01 |
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| anteaya | well salv-orlando was going to roll back all the tempest changes we made last week, perhaps that happened | 13:04 |
| * anteaya goes to check the tempest git logs | 13:05 | |
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| jlibosva | anteaya: that's Jenkins. On Zuul page I chose the isolated job that led me to the specific build # ( https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-isolated/182/) from project ..neutron-isolated. Upper left corner has some site navigation or there is a link "Back to Project". | 13:05 |
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| anteaya | nope, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/log/ | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: I saw pushing patches so I wanted to check the gate status to know whether I should continue digging into test_minimum_basic or not | 13:06 |
| anteaya | thank you | 13:06 |
| anteaya | I have no data on why isolated jobs are passing | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: nice dwarfs fixed it during the night :) thank you for info | 13:08 |
| anteaya | that's about all I can come up with, I see nothing in the channel logs or tempest logs that anyone had a eureka moment | 13:08 |
| anteaya | it was such a problem I would expect if someone where to have fixed it, they would claim responsibility | 13:09 |
| anteaya | devstack has nothing in the last 24 hours either: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/log/ | 13:10 |
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| anteaya | the only thing I can come up with is that there was a big rearrangement with zuul yesterday, in as far as now all patches in the check queue have jobs running on them | 13:11 |
| anteaya | so check is not starved for vms | 13:11 |
| anteaya | if that is the reason isolated jobs are passing again, I would be very curious as to the relationship between the jobs and the situation in check | 13:12 |
| anteaya | and no one has been approving anything so we have no data about how these jobs are performing in the gate queue | 13:12 |
| polfilm | Hi. I hope you don't mind this one time assignment post: $50 for help with default install setup : https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Testing-software-development/Neutron-Networking-OpenStack-Centos.html | 13:13 |
| anteaya | so last failed build for check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-isolated was 6 hours and 53 minutes ago | 13:17 |
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| anteaya | and for check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-isolated was 6 hours and 46 minutes ago | 13:18 |
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| anteaya | what happened at about 06:00 UTC? | 13:18 |
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| anteaya | the last change to neutron was 5 days ago: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/log/ | 13:20 |
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| anteaya | now they are failing | 13:25 |
| anteaya | :( | 13:25 |
| anteaya | so in answer to your question jlibosva I think yes | 13:25 |
| anteaya | I think you need to dig into it | 13:26 |
| anteaya | I think the failure rate for isolated jobs was about 70% | 13:27 |
| anteaya | so some of those passing tests got through the 30% gap | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | anteaya: ok, thanks | 13:27 |
| anteaya | thanks for showing me how to view all the jobs on the same page | 13:28 |
| anteaya | helpful and I didn't know that before | 13:28 |
| anteaya | so if I remember correctly the last place you were was figuring out why there was a difference running the command as sudo and as stack | 13:29 |
| anteaya | yes? | 13:29 |
| anteaya | obondarev: hello | 13:29 |
| anteaya | I don't think rechecking patches will get you much yet | 13:29 |
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| enikanorov_ | jlibosva: do you see isolated passing on patches on which they have failed previously? | 13:32 |
| jlibosva | enikanorov_: didn't check that, I just checked the jenkins without looking to related patches | 13:33 |
| anteaya | here is one example of a patch that has isolated passing where they failed previously, mind you they are different patchsets of the same patch series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61994/ | 13:36 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, lets make a recheck to this patch | 13:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Test patch (do not review) https://review.openstack.org/68079 | 13:38 |
| obondarev | anteaya: Hi. I wasn't sure why isolated jobs started to pass with no errors to, so tried to take a chance to have +1 on my patches (given that zuul check queue is not too long) | 13:38 |
| anteaya | enikanorov_: good idea | 13:38 |
| enikanorov_ | i this isolated are not passing more than usual | 13:38 |
| ajo | what are the isolated jobs exactly? | 13:38 |
| anteaya | obondarev: fair enough | 13:39 |
| enikanorov_ | also, i wonder if we can find out which jenkins slave run failed and passed jobs | 13:39 |
| anteaya | ajo: go to this page: http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 13:39 |
| anteaya | ajo in the check queue, the one on the left find a neutron patch | 13:39 |
| anteaya | click on the blue bar which expands the running tests for that patch | 13:40 |
| ajo | *-isolated | 13:40 |
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| anteaya | yes | 13:40 |
| ajo | what's the difference with the other tests? | 13:40 |
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| anteaya | the isolated tests are specific for neutron | 13:41 |
| anteaya | perhaps enikanorov_ or obondarev knows more specific information than myself | 13:41 |
| ajo | oh, ok, so they test neutron by itself without other openstack components? | 13:42 |
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| enikanorov_ | ajo: no | 13:42 |
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| enikanorov_ | ajo: isolated is a job which runs tempest tests in parallel under several tenants | 13:42 |
| ajo | oohh | 13:42 |
| enikanorov_ | instead of doing it consequently | 13:42 |
| ajo | ok, got it | 13:42 |
| anteaya | enikanorov_: if you go to the very top of the console output, one of the top lines gives the information about which slave the test ran on | 13:42 |
| enikanorov_ | anteaya: thanks | 13:42 |
| ajo | so every test is separated in a different tenant | 13:43 |
| ajo | to avoid quota/other conflicts | 13:43 |
| anteaya | so this slave Building remotely on devstack-precise-hpcloud-az2-1186010 | 13:43 |
| ajo | thanks enikanorov , anteaya | 13:43 |
| obondarev | enikanorov: not exactly: for parallel there is a separate job - see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64185/ | 13:43 |
| ajo | obondarev, so .. then? | 13:44 |
| anteaya | was where check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-isolated ran for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61994/ patchset 19 success run | 13:44 |
| obondarev | so isolated means that each test creates a new tenant | 13:44 |
| ajo | aha | 13:44 |
| ajo | ok, I suppose is the path for good parallel testing | 13:44 |
| ajo | if isolated runs smoothly, then the tests can be run in parallel safely | 13:45 |
| ajo | +/- | 13:45 |
| obondarev | yes | 13:45 |
| obondarev | not exactly however | 13:46 |
| obondarev | parallel tests had lots of issues | 13:46 |
| ajo | yes, I suppose that external networks are complicated to handle even for isolated, etc.. | 13:46 |
| ajo | and sure there are more issues.. | 13:47 |
| obondarev | full tenant isolation helps but doesn't solves all issues | 13:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Test patch (do not review) https://review.openstack.org/68079 | 13:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Afchain proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Add L3 VRRP HA base classes https://review.openstack.org/64553 | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Test patch (do not review) https://review.openstack.org/68079 | 13:59 |
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| baoli_ | Hi Irena | 14:18 |
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| irenab | baoli_: hi | 14:19 |
| irenab | baoli: I have about 10 mins | 14:20 |
| baoli_ | ok | 14:20 |
| baoli_ | I think that we should explore the idea of associating a flavor with the physical net | 14:20 |
| irenab | baoli: I am starting with general part of enabling neutron ML2 with port binding:profile support and vnic_type request | 14:20 |
| baoli_ | irenab, that's great | 14:21 |
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| baoli_ | Seems like that you have some scheduler questions? | 14:21 |
| irenab | baoli: I think you idea is fine, as long as nova supports | 14:21 |
| irenab | and we definitly can start with condig option in neutron, to make it less code changes | 14:21 |
| baoli_ | So if we do the physical net to flavor association, we may not need the flavor in the --nic | 14:22 |
| irenab | I think we can also go with --nic port option without nova api for the first version | 14:22 |
| baoli_ | What do you mean by "without nova api"? | 14:23 |
| irenab | I do not belive as a team we can make all parts coded with uni tests and pushed for review in coming 4 weeks | 14:23 |
| baoli_ | Irenab, I understand that | 14:23 |
| irenab | so I mean we can make the api as follow up change | 14:23 |
| baoli_ | Can you be specific about the api? | 14:24 |
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| irenab | I just suggested to skip the nova pai extension for comming weeks effort and concentrate on more internal parts | 14:24 |
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| irenab | ^api | 14:25 |
| baoli_ | You mean to say the pci flaovr api discussion? I'm with you on that | 14:25 |
| irenab | baoli:seems that patch reviews in nova are very slow | 14:25 |
| baoli_ | irenab, that's expected. I have seen a review with a couple lines of code going on for several weeks | 14:26 |
| irenab | so even if we reach the agreement with all guys who come and go into dicsussion, its too many changes to squize | 14:26 |
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| baoli_ | Exactly. So we should go ahead with our sriov development and let the nova guys figure out flavor versue aggregate, etc | 14:27 |
| irenab | baoli_:agree | 14:27 |
| baoli_ | sounds good. So on Monday, let's nail down what to do next | 14:28 |
| baoli_ | and start coding | 14:28 |
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| irenab | baoli: so if you are OK to start with setting the net pci flavor via config file and port profile via binding extension, we can start with nova boot --nic port_id option | 14:28 |
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| irenab | baoli: Yes! | 14:29 |
| baoli_ | that's a good idea. | 14:29 |
| baoli_ | Let's talk about that on Monday | 14:29 |
| baoli_ | I guess that you have to go now | 14:29 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, have to run now, will try to go over email later today. See you on Monday, have a nice weekend | 14:29 |
| baoli_ | have a good weekend | 14:30 |
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| anteaya | enikanorov_: tests returned in less than an hour (yay) but failed on isolated (boo) | 14:34 |
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| anteaya | which basically leads me to conclude that the passed tests were the anomoly | 14:34 |
| anteaya | that and the patch itself doesnt' seem to be contributing to the failures | 14:35 |
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| otherwiseguy | markmcclain: did we ever figure out what was going to be done re: psutil? | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | otherwiseguy: I've beeb working on it in spurts | 15:01 |
| markmcclain | with the gate problems it moved to backburner | 15:01 |
| markmcclain | if you got cycles to work on it that would be great | 15:01 |
| otherwiseguy | didn't know if we were trying to change versions or remove the dependencies, or what. | 15:01 |
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| ajo | otherwiseguy, what happens with psutil? I had problems today trying to run tests because of it | 15:02 |
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| markmcclain | if we use the work around from havana.. we can drop psutil | 15:03 |
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| otherwiseguy | the version in the requirements file isn't actually hosted on pypi, but newer ones are. i have a workaround in havana that doesn't require psutil (though is certainly an uglier solution, but it is an edge case so doesn't really matter much). | 15:04 |
| otherwiseguy | ajo: ^ | 15:04 |
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| otherwiseguy | markmcclain: I can go that way if people want. Last I'd heard someone was talking about just using the newer version or something so wasn't sure if anything had been decided. | 15:05 |
| ajo | ohpp | 15:05 |
| markmcclain | seems like the pain of requiring a new version might be lower long term | 15:05 |
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| markmcclain | I haven't surveyed to see how many other projects we'd have to update too | 15:06 |
| otherwiseguy | heat cntools was the only place I noticed it. | 15:06 |
| markmcclain | moving to a version hosted on PyPI would be good long term anyway | 15:06 |
| otherwiseguy | cfntools | 15:06 |
| markmcclain | ok | 15:06 |
| otherwiseguy | I could also see if the author would host the older versions on pypi. :p | 15:06 |
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| markmcclain | that would certainly fix things quickly | 15:07 |
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| markmcclain | I've to step out for a bit, but I'm comfortable with any of these options | 15:08 |
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| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32235/ : I'm backporting those oslo fixes to havana and grizzly, where possible | 15:17 |
| ajo | (rpc fixes related to bug 1189711 Should RPC consume_in_thread() be more fault tolerant ) | 15:18 |
| ajo | to avoid the consumer from dying on underlying exceptions | 15:18 |
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| ajo | hmmm | 15:25 |
| ajo | but we didn't had tests/rpc/test_*.py in havana | 15:25 |
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| ajo | garyk, ping | 15:27 |
| ajo | I was checking, you backported https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32235/ (from oslo) in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/4dbb55cbb0020702a3ea2ec89ddf61319d00f858 together with a few extra updates | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | mayu proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Move RemoteRestError from clients.py to exceptions.py https://review.openstack.org/68148 | 15:28 |
| ajo | we don't bring the oslo tests to neutron, right? | 15:29 |
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| garyk | ajo: correct - oslo tests should not be included | 15:32 |
| ajo | understood :) | 15:33 |
| ajo | thanks :) | 15:33 |
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| ajo | garyk: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68672/ | 15:55 |
| ajo | anteaya, enikanorov , obondarev, not sure if given the current status of the gate I may refrain from submitting backport patches at this moment | 15:56 |
| garyk | ajo: your cherry pick is problematic - please see the comments | 15:57 |
| ajo | sure, thanks, let me check | 15:57 |
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| ajo | oups, thanks | 15:59 |
| ajo | Is there a way to cherry pick from oslo directly? may be just patch export and patch -p1 | 15:59 |
| garyk | i do the following: | 16:00 |
| garyk | checkout the lastest oslo config | 16:00 |
| garyk | checkout the neutron brach | 16:00 |
| garyk | branch | 16:00 |
| garyk | there is a script in oslo that you need to run | 16:00 |
| garyk | update.sh with the neutron conf file (or the packages that you want to import) | 16:01 |
| ajo | nice, it does let you cherry pick just a commit from oslo? | 16:01 |
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| garyk | no, it copies the latest code from the master | 16:01 |
| garyk | or the branch that you have checked out | 16:01 |
| garyk | that is the primitive way that i go about it - maybe others have a better way. i sometimes take the simple and laborious way - but it works :) | 16:02 |
| ajo | may be the best way would be... backport into oslo | 16:02 |
| ajo | oslo/havana | 16:02 |
| ajo | then pick it back to neutron/havana | 16:03 |
| garyk | the upside of the oslo script is that it will also pull in dependencies | 16:03 |
| garyk | not sure i follow - same process is done for the stable | 16:03 |
| ajo | I mean | 16:04 |
| ajo | 1) backport the fix from oslo/master to oslo/havana | 16:04 |
| ajo | 2) then use the update.sh script from oslo/havana to neutron/havana | 16:04 |
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| ajo | 1 is done already, btw :) | 16:05 |
| ajo | thanks | 16:05 |
| ajo | I will try the update.sh script garyk | 16:05 |
| ajo | very helpful | 16:05 |
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| garyk | read the code in update.py and it will help explain better than i do. | 16:07 |
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| anteaya | ajo you can submit anything to the check queue, but if isolated jobs fail please don't keep rechecking them | 16:13 |
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| anteaya | if backport patches run isolated jobs, please don't approve them since they will likely just fail in the gate until isolated jobs are fixed | 16:14 |
| anteaya | also sdague has the issue been fixed with stable? | 16:17 |
| anteaya | I think it was a pip issue, was it not? | 16:17 |
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| arash | Hello | 16:18 |
| arash | any body knows how we can get some values from config file (local.conf)?? | 16:19 |
| arash | Are those values stores somewhere in neutron database? | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Marios Andreou proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Make allocation_pools attribute of subnet updateable by PUT https://review.openstack.org/62042 | 16:53 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 16:54 |
| marios | carl_baldwin: hi carl - thanks for your review comments on ^^^ i _think_ I got all of them in. I'd be grateful when you get some time. thx | 16:54 |
| carl_baldwin | marios: I will have a look today. | 16:55 |
| marios | carl_baldwin: cheers | 16:55 |
| carl_baldwin | Nice quick turn-around on those changes. | 16:56 |
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| marios | carl_baldwin: yeah... i *thought* they'd be simple but ended up spending most of the afternoon (tbh i was just grateful to get a review ;) ).never mind, pushed some stuff to tomorrow. | 16:57 |
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| sdague | anteaya: stable/havana I believe is working now | 17:00 |
| anteaya | awesome thank you | 17:00 |
| anteaya | ajo: so it looks like sending backports to check, once per patchset is okay atm | 17:00 |
| anteaya | also I'm ops for reasons of getting rid of spammers | 17:01 |
| anteaya | anyone else who is in a different timezone and is in irc a lot and can help keeping the channel clear, please volunteer for ops and we will get a sense from the group who would be good ops people | 17:02 |
| ajo | anteaya, thank you very much | 17:03 |
| anteaya | np | 17:04 |
| marios | anteaya: i am in GMT+1 fwiw (now is 1900 here) | 17:04 |
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| marios | err GMT+1 | 17:04 |
| marios | dammit! GMT+2 | 17:04 |
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| anteaya | marios: do you like to be on irc a lot and are you comfortable with helping keep the channel clear? | 17:05 |
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| marios | anteaya: well, my client is always connected (irssi on cloud server). | 17:05 |
| anteaya | that is a good start | 17:05 |
| anteaya | let me talk with markmcclain to get his thoughts first before I start green @'ing others | 17:06 |
| marios | anteaya: i'll pvt you my email address | 17:06 |
| anteaya | thanks for being willing to help | 17:06 |
| marios | anteaya: sure, just mentioning it, fyi | 17:06 |
| anteaya | sure | 17:06 |
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| anteaya | yeah, thanks | 17:06 |
| anteaya | hey marun | 17:06 |
| marun | anteaya: hi | 17:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dane LeBlanc proposed a change to openstack/neutron: Test patch, do not review https://review.openstack.org/68715 | 18:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: Hi | 18:21 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov_: hi! | 18:21 |
| enikanorov_ | i;d like to discuss https://review.openstack.org/64139 | 18:22 |
| enikanorov_ | the patch allows cloud admin to implement what is called 'service flavor' with configuration only | 18:23 |
| enikanorov_ | and, for instance, setup billing that will depend on such flavor | 18:24 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov_: sure, happy to discuss. | 18:25 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: i saw you suggestion to implement it with different classes, but it's really not what we are trying to achieve | 18:26 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov_: sorry, I don't like the implementation. It's not necessary, IMO. Billing concerns should not be influencing how a driver is constructed or loaded. | 18:28 |
| enikanorov_ | it's not about billing only, it's about service flavor | 18:28 |
| enikanorov_ | we have no way of providing different parameters to the driver at this moment | 18:29 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov_: in the patch, there's nothing that cannot be implemented with a single config section for [radware] and possibly specialized driver subclasses. | 18:29 |
| enikanorov_ | that that is a good way of doing this, considering how we work with providers at all | 18:29 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: subclasses are done by vendor | 18:29 |
| enikanorov_ | where configuration is done by cloud operator | 18:29 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov_: the idea of "service flavor" does not make much sense to me. | 18:29 |
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| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: but that's a common and desired feature. you know, nova has it in the core api | 18:30 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov_: no, it does not have this concept. | 18:30 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov_: I believe there is substantial confusion regarding this. | 18:30 |
| enikanorov_ | it has, 'flavor' is exactly what we are trying to introduce here | 18:30 |
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| enikanorov_ | flavor is a way to request capabilities of the resource | 18:31 |
| enikanorov_ | in nova it is amount of disk/mem/cpu | 18:31 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: a flavor in nova is something that is selected by the end user. there is not anything in the nova hypervisor driver configuration that changes based on the flavor a user selects. | 18:31 |
| enikanorov_ | here it could be other capabilities | 18:32 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: that's because flavor in nova is stored in the db | 18:32 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: capabilities are one thing. changing the way the driver configuration is handled is another. | 18:32 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: we can't store our 'flavors' in the db | 18:32 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: where does the end-user specify this "service flavor" that you speak of? | 18:33 |
| enikanorov_ | anyway, subclasses here aren't solving anything, because the problem is different | 18:33 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: it specifies provider, in fact | 18:33 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: please explain how the problem is different... | 18:33 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, I'll give a user story | 18:34 |
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| jaypipes | kk | 18:34 |
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| enikanorov_ | I'm a cloud amid, I'm going to provide users with 'fast balancer' and 'slow balancer', for which i have 2 VMs, with more and less resources | 18:34 |
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| enikanorov_ | both are vendorX-managed VMs | 18:35 |
| enikanorov_ | how do I allow user to chose those providers? | 18:35 |
| enikanorov_ | the driver is exactly the same in both cases. | 18:35 |
| enikanorov_ | and, as a cloud admin, i'm not going to do any coding work | 18:36 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: one sec, lemme look at LBaaS API. | 18:36 |
| enikanorov_ | but I may decide to add 'medium balancer' (or whatever), changing the capabilities of backed appliances | 18:36 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov: make one LB pool for high I/O balancer VMs, and another for low I/O... | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: I'm not actually a fan of having LB inside a VM owned by the driver partly because of these reasons... | 18:38 |
| enikanorov_ | pools are created by end users | 18:39 |
| enikanorov_ | where the providers are offered by the cloud | 18:39 |
| enikanorov_ | "having LB inside a VM owned by the driver" - but that's already an existing solution | 18:40 |
| enikanorov_ | and not only by 1 vendor | 18:40 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov: in any case, the driver doesn't change anything... it should just be supplied some extra information in the call to POST /members | 18:40 |
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| enikanorov_ | yes, and that is what is implemented | 18:41 |
| enikanorov_ | the same driver has different configs and uses it in it's communication with backend | 18:41 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: so why is there a need to change the way that driver configuration is loaded? If extra information is provided in the POST /members request, I don't see any point in the proposed patcvh. | 18:41 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: but it's not different configs. It's the same configuration options. | 18:42 |
| enikanorov_ | oh, sorry, misread your phrase | 18:42 |
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| enikanorov_ | no, that's not how it should work. end users doesn't provide anything additional in POST /members | 18:43 |
| enikanorov_ | because it is unaware of how it works on the backend side | 18:43 |
| jaypipes | *sigh*... this is so convoluted. | 18:44 |
| enikanorov_ | as user you want to work with fast device | 18:45 |
| enikanorov_ | you create your LB choosing vendorX-fast provider | 18:45 |
| enikanorov_ | or if you're poor, you choose vendorX-cheap provider | 18:45 |
| enikanorov_ | you scripts remain the same | 18:45 |
| jaypipes | but you just said the end user doesn't know that vendorX-fast-provider even exists. | 18:45 |
| enikanorov_ | it knows, because it can list providers | 18:45 |
| jaypipes | you just said above " because it is unaware of how it works on the backend side" | 18:46 |
| jaypipes | ? | 18:46 |
| jaypipes | I see nothing in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/API#Bulk_Create_Members about "listing providers" | 18:46 |
| jaypipes | sorry... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/API | 18:47 |
| enikanorov_ | it is unaware, but it can chose providers. unaware means that user is isolated from backend implementation details | 18:47 |
| jaypipes | *who* can choose providers? | 18:47 |
| enikanorov_ | the user | 18:47 |
| jaypipes | the caller of POST /members? | 18:47 |
| enikanorov_ | POST /pools | 18:47 |
| jaypipes | how does that user know the "providers"? | 18:47 |
| enikanorov_ | (pool is the first objectin lbaas workflow) | 18:47 |
| enikanorov_ | neutron service-provider-list | 18:48 |
| jaypipes | I see nothing in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/API#Create_a_Pool about a "provider" attribute of a pool. | 18:48 |
| jaypipes | so how does a user know which providers are available? | 18:48 |
| enikanorov_ | by running 'neutron service-provider-list ' command | 18:49 |
| enikanorov_ | the wiki page is pretty outdated | 18:49 |
| enikanorov_ | please refer to API specs | 18:49 |
| jaypipes | where is API specs? | 18:50 |
| enikanorov_ | let me find the link | 18:50 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, that one is closer to current state of things, but still not up to date: http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/lbaas_ext_ops_pool_create.html | 18:53 |
| enikanorov_ | need to file a doc bug on it. so the provider is one of attributes a user can pass to POST /pools | 18:55 |
| jaypipes | and how would a user know what value to put in that field? | 18:55 |
| enikanorov_ | neutron service-provider-list | 18:56 |
| jaypipes | we're going in circles. | 18:56 |
| enikanorov_ | that command lists available providers for all services | 18:57 |
| jaypipes | how is that useful to a user? | 18:57 |
| jaypipes | I just don't get it. | 18:58 |
| jaypipes | why don't you just implement LB types as a real resource, instead of this hack in the driver configuration? If this really is something that end users are begging for, then we should implement it correctly, with a real LB type that is stored and standardized in the backend database. | 18:59 |
| jaypipes | this patch is just a giant hack to get around doing this properly, IMO. | 18:59 |
| enikanorov_ | not quite sure I get your idea | 18:59 |
| enikanorov_ | LB types as a real resource - what does it mean, from API perspective? | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | POST /lb-types {'type': 'high-end'} ... POST /pools {'pool': {... 'lb_type': 'high-end'}} | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | then pass lb_type to the main driver interface method for creating a LB pool resource | 19:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | yes, that was discussed when we designed provider framework | 19:03 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: sorry, I was under the impression that pool was a driver-controlled thing... but it's not, sorry. | 19:03 |
| jaypipes | it's just an end-user thing... | 19:03 |
| enikanorov_ | but that is not going to work well | 19:03 |
| jaypipes | would be better than a hack. | 19:03 |
| enikanorov_ | nope, the proposed patch is not a hack. it's a configuration path | 19:04 |
| enikanorov_ | while you are suggesting db-path | 19:04 |
| jaypipes | no it's a hack. | 19:04 |
| enikanorov_ | db path was discussed and we have chosen another approach | 19:04 |
| enikanorov_ | in fact we can't do lb_types (as you named it) a 'real resource' | 19:05 |
| enikanorov_ | because such resource will depend on configuration, so we'll have to sync db state with configuration, which is not good | 19:06 |
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| jaypipes | I think the main problem here is that the Neutron LBaaS API has no resource concept of a "load balancer", like the Atlas API does. | 19:06 |
| enikanorov_ | how would it help? (btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60207/ adds such entity) | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | because it would give a place to attach the "lb_type" attribute to. | 19:08 |
| enikanorov_ | currently such place is 'pool' | 19:09 |
| enikanorov_ | but it is orthogonal to a problem that we discuss | 19:09 |
| jaypipes | sorry if I sounds annoyed... this patch (and strategy of doing this in a configuration file) is just so opposite to how pretty much *everything else* in OpenStack works. | 19:11 |
| jaypipes | and it just feels wrong. | 19:11 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov: was Mark McClain involved in the discussions about this at HK summit? | 19:12 |
| enikanorov_ | that's funny, but it looks like neutron community had directly opposite opinion on the way of configuring providers | 19:12 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: got a link I can read with the history there? | 19:12 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: it was introduced in Havana, and discussed at that time | 19:12 |
| enikanorov_ | hmm, i would hard for me to find a link right now, it's more thatn 6 month old-thread | 19:13 |
| enikanorov_ | the essence of the resolution is that we don't store providers and their configuration in db | 19:13 |
| enikanorov_ | as a consequence, we not store any derived object (like flavor) in the db as well | 19:14 |
| jaypipes | this isn't about storing driver configuration in the database! | 19:14 |
| jaypipes | this is about having a way to indicate the type of load balancer that a user wants and how to communicate that information to the driver. | 19:14 |
| enikanorov_ | currentl user is able to indicate a type of the balancer | 19:15 |
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| jaypipes | then what precisely is the need to have a separate driver configuration section? | 19:15 |
| enikanorov_ | user has all the tools to make a choice: list available providers, pass provider name to POST /pools | 19:16 |
| jaypipes | so what is the need for a separate "driver name" option in the configuration file? | 19:16 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: like said, fast-slow-cheap-broken services all managed by the same driver | 19:17 |
| jaypipes | yes? and why do we need driver_name configuration option and separate config sections for this? | 19:17 |
| jaypipes | it is provided as a parameter to create_pool()... | 19:17 |
| jaypipes | so why do we need separate configurion file sections. | 19:17 |
| enikanorov_ | how else you provide 2 different sets of configuration to a driver? | 19:18 |
| jaypipes | it's all one set of configuration options. | 19:18 |
| enikanorov_ | (in fact you'l have 2 instances of the same driver) | 19:18 |
| jaypipes | no... you have a single driver instance. | 19:19 |
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| jaypipes | that does certain setups differently depending on the value of the provider parameter. | 19:19 |
| jaypipes | to create_pool... | 19:19 |
| enikanorov_ | provider passed to create_pool directly maps to the driver currently | 19:19 |
| jaypipes | and that is the problem. | 19:20 |
| enikanorov_ | we're not planning to extend rest api to introduce flavors there | 19:20 |
| jaypipes | it's mixing badly implementation with the API interface. | 19:20 |
| enikanorov_ | API remains consistent, UX remains consistent | 19:20 |
| enikanorov_ | I don't see a problem | 19:20 |
| jaypipes | APi remains terrible. UX remains horrible. | 19:20 |
| * jaypipes has never ever met anyone who likes Neutron API. sorry. | 19:21 | |
| enikanorov_ | well, i never met anyone who liked openstack, | 19:21 |
| enikanorov_ | so what? | 19:21 |
| jaypipes | hmm, related? | 19:21 |
| enikanorov_ | we have to work with what is at hand | 19:21 |
| jaypipes | no, we can make it better. instead of keeping bad interfaces. | 19:21 |
| enikanorov_ | yes, we can, but first of all, we need to maintain backward compatibility of or sweet terrible API | 19:22 |
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| enikanorov_ | that is the first point on the list | 19:22 |
| enikanorov_ | *of our | 19:22 |
| jaypipes | I am starting to understand why the LB community is so fragmented in OpenStack... Atlas, Libra, Neutron... | 19:23 |
| enikanorov_ | it's fragmented because all three were started simultaneously and we have never met together | 19:23 |
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| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: introducing a single bit of API takes release cycle. getting rid of a bit of API takes 2 cycles | 19:25 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: I am fully aware of this. | 19:25 |
| enikanorov_ | implementing flavors with configuration is not only simple, it goes inline with the initial design | 19:25 |
| jaypipes | what is this "initial design" of which you speak? | 19:25 |
| enikanorov_ | the decision to go with configuration rather than db | 19:26 |
| jaypipes | and how many people other than you and Evgeny were involved in this discussion? | 19:26 |
| jaypipes | just curious... | 19:26 |
| enikanorov_ | cores, ptl, salv-orlando in particular (hi, salv-orlando!) | 19:26 |
| salv-orlando | what discussion? (if it's a long story I'll scroll the irc log) | 19:27 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: of using the configuration files of neutron.conf to implement "load balancer flavors". | 19:27 |
| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: we're fighting for flavors | 19:28 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: this hack: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64139/ | 19:28 |
| enikanorov_ | i remember i personally has rewritten provider configuration patch 2 or 3 times going back and forth between db and configuration file | 19:29 |
| salv-orlando | ah *that* hack. I totally understand why it's been pushed, but I think we've accrued too much technical debt on this particular | 19:29 |
| jaypipes | sigh... it's not configuring the driver, though... | 19:29 |
| salv-orlando | topic, as enikanorov_ can confirm with his going back and forth | 19:30 |
| enikanorov_ | configurting the driver is just a consequence | 19:30 |
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| enikanorov_ | we can't then ake db content be dependent on what is in configuration | 19:30 |
| enikanorov_ | *make | 19:30 |
| jaypipes | there's a driver. there's a single set of configuration options for that driver. the user calls POST /pools, the driver gets create_pool() called. part of that call's parameters is the "provider type"... just have the (single) driver do something different depending on the value of "provider" | 19:31 |
| enikanorov_ | so lb_type, aka flavor can't be a resource | 19:31 |
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| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: yes, and we doing it, by mapping provider name to provider options in config | 19:31 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: first, yes it can be a resource. but even if you don't want to implement it as a resource (and continue to use the "provider" as a hack for lb_type), you can still do all of this with a single driver and single set of configuration options. | 19:32 |
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| jaypipes | enikanorov: I have half a mind to just git review -d that patch and change it to show how the radware driver can just use one set of configurtation options. | 19:34 |
| enikanorov_ | the bottom of the problem is that lb_type is db-resource, and lb_type depends on the provider, which is a configuration resource | 19:34 |
| enikanorov_ | jaypipes: i think 10-15 lines of pseudocode will be well enough | 19:35 |
| enikanorov_ | may be it could resolve misunderstanding between us :) | 19:35 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: ok. I will do that then. code talks. | 19:35 |
| jaypipes | enikanorov: tomorrow, though... unfortunately, I have to complete documentation about setting up external testing platforms today ;) | 19:35 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, sure | 19:36 |
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| enikanorov_ | dkehn: hi | 19:56 |
| dkehn | enikanorov_: hi | 19:56 |
| enikanorov_ | dkehn: can you explain -1 for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55032/ ? | 19:56 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, let me be more direct | 19:57 |
| enikanorov_ | the jenkins failure in py26-27 jobs is not related to my patch | 19:57 |
| dkehn | just doing a straight setup and then testing with tox -epy27 I see a failure, but when doing a isolated test it works | 19:57 |
| enikanorov_ | it is going to be fixed by another commit | 19:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | that one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67537/\ | 19:58 |
| dkehn | enikanorov_: I see , didn't see the dependancy | 19:58 |
| dkehn | enikanorov_: should there be one there? | 19:58 |
| enikanorov_ | half of neutron patches are failing py27 and py26 jobs | 19:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | because of the issue resolved by 67537 | 19:59 |
| dkehn | enikanorov_: I'll take of the -1, k | 19:59 |
| enikanorov_ | so there's no need to make a dependency | 19:59 |
| dkehn | enikanorov_: better | 19:59 |
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