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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: hey | 06:59 |
| rakhmerov | apetrich: hi | 06:59 |
| rakhmerov | you here? | 06:59 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, apetrich: we can do PTG planning | 07:00 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, where are you? :) | 07:14 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: 8am UTC is in 17 mins, no? | 07:43 |
| rakhmerov | mm.... | 07:44 |
| rakhmerov | wait a sec | 07:44 |
| d0ugal | :) | 07:44 |
| rakhmerov | nope | 07:44 |
| rakhmerov | it was 44 min ago | 07:44 |
| rakhmerov | wasn't it? | 07:44 |
| d0ugal | no | 07:44 |
| d0ugal | it is 7:44 am UTC now | 07:45 |
| d0ugal | lol | 07:45 |
| d0ugal | My local timezone is UTC in the winter | 07:45 |
| rakhmerov | really? | 07:45 |
| rakhmerov | damn... | 07:45 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: google "time in utc" | 07:46 |
| d0ugal | back shortly, I need coffee and breakfast | 07:46 |
| rakhmerov | yeah... hm.. | 07:47 |
| rakhmerov | you're right | 07:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I wonder why this patch doesn't get merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544319/ ? | 07:51 |
| rakhmerov | it passed the tests | 07:51 |
| d0ugal | Looking | 07:56 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: it has a parent commit that hasn't merged yet | 07:57 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 07:57 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544318/ was recheck many times | 08:01 |
| rakhmerov | I guess there's a real issue in the TriplO gate | 08:01 |
| d0ugal | damn | 08:01 |
| d0ugal | I'll take a look while we wait for apetrich | 08:01 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 08:02 |
| d0ugal | tripleo ci can be quite unstable around release time - so many changing libraries etc. | 08:02 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 08:02 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 08:02 |
| d0ugal | yeah, looks like it might be a packaging issue | 08:04 |
| d0ugal | I asked in #tripleo | 08:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 08:04 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: just FYI, I'll be around about 2 hours. Even if apetrich joins later we can discuss things for the PTG | 08:05 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sounds good | 08:05 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I should have prepared before now, but I am just starting to fill in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-rocky | 08:06 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 08:08 |
| rakhmerov | opening it.. | 08:09 |
| rakhmerov | I personally have my several important topics | 08:09 |
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| rakhmerov | some of them are the same as before | 08:09 |
| d0ugal | Yup, I'm sure :) | 08:09 |
| d0ugal | If you like - you can just start to add them to the etherpad | 08:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 08:10 |
| d0ugal | No room numbers yet that I can see. | 08:11 |
| rakhmerov | we can probably make all stuff unsorted for now (w/o priorities) | 08:11 |
| d0ugal | Yup | 08:11 |
| rakhmerov | and then sort them out | 08:11 |
| apetrich | sorry | 08:11 |
| d0ugal | Exactly, today we can just collect ideas and then over next week we can sort them etc. | 08:11 |
| apetrich | a bit late due to kids | 08:11 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: np | 08:11 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: we only just started really - I guess first we can start to collect ideas here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-rocky | 08:12 |
| d0ugal | and we can discuss any here quickly and add further notes onto the etherpad if needed | 08:12 |
| d0ugal | I guess we should have done this in advance of meeting :) but nevermind. | 08:12 |
| apetrich | it is my first rodeo. How are we supposed to fill the schedule for the room? talks or just be there and keep an openspace? | 08:14 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: it's all openspace/meeting format. | 08:15 |
| apetrich | cool | 08:15 |
| d0ugal | If we have a topic that needs lots of background explained we could have a short intro - but I am not sure if we event have a projecter etc. | 08:15 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: so you could add your mistral-extra keystone cleanup if you want ;) | 08:16 |
| apetrich | done | 08:16 |
| rakhmerov | apetrich: hey | 08:17 |
| rakhmerov | let me grab some coffee real quick, will be right back | 08:17 |
| d0ugal | sure | 08:17 |
| d0ugal | I might need a second coffee already | 08:17 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, what was the other repo for workbooks called? | 08:17 |
| apetrich | or not called yet | 08:17 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: tripleo-workflows? | 08:18 |
| apetrich | that's too tripleo-y for mistral? | 08:18 |
| d0ugal | but I guess that is for a tripleo session so maybe you mean something else :) | 08:18 |
| d0ugal | yeah, I think so | 08:18 |
| apetrich | just used tripleo until now, it is a bit unnatural for me to separate pure openstack to openstack with tripleo :) | 08:20 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: haha, fair | 08:20 |
| apetrich | and to be completely honest I get confused where the rdo comes in or not | 08:23 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: rdo = rpm packaging | 08:23 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: in theory tripleo is distro agnostic, but it isn't tested or packaged. | 08:24 |
| apetrich | oh yeah | 08:24 |
| d0ugal | Anyway :) | 08:24 |
| apetrich | that makes more sense | 08:24 |
| apetrich | cheers | 08:24 |
| rakhmerov | I'm back | 08:26 |
| rakhmerov | will start filling the list of topics in the etherpad | 08:27 |
| d0ugal | great | 08:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: do you know if Winson is coming to the PTG? | 08:30 |
| rakhmerov | no, he is not | 08:31 |
| d0ugal | Okay, I'll try and review it before the PTG, then maybe we can do a group review if needed in Dublin | 08:33 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes | 08:37 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: I think the keystone utils would need to go into mistral-lib, then Mistral extra could use them | 08:37 |
| d0ugal | (and Mistral could use them too, if needed) | 08:38 |
| apetrich | oh | 08:38 |
| apetrich | yeah mistral might not use mistral-extra | 08:38 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: I'll split these into two different bullets to be clear | 08:38 |
| apetrich | good | 08:38 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: I am trying to think how to explain this :) | 08:39 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: but I have partly forgotten the problem | 08:39 |
| d0ugal | Which keystone utils are needed where and why | 08:40 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, we have the same keystone code in mistral mistralclient and tripleo-common | 08:40 |
| rakhmerov | as far as I remember, we decided not to put Keystone stuff to mistral-lib | 08:40 |
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| apetrich | rakhmerov, that was the previous idea yes | 08:41 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady already tried to move Keystone utils to mistral-lib but stumbled on a number of things | 08:41 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, I forget what issues he had. | 08:42 |
| rakhmerov | because the way how we use them in mistral is different | 08:42 |
| d0ugal | Right | 08:42 |
| rakhmerov | than what we need for actions | 08:42 |
| d0ugal | Maybe we can have an action to investigate this again and see if there is anything we can improve or write down the issues for future reference | 08:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I think so | 08:43 |
| rakhmerov | I guess Ryan could explain that better | 08:43 |
| rakhmerov | I also forgot all the details (at least need time to recall) | 08:43 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: we will need keystone utils in mistral-extra for the OpenStack actions - so we may need to solve this somehow. | 08:43 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: the scheduler uses polling too? I didn't realise :) | 08:44 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I know. Our latest decision from Denver is that "what's needed for OpenStack actions should be in mistral-extra" | 08:44 |
| rakhmerov | because the way we use Keystone stuff in Mistral is completely different | 08:44 |
| d0ugal | Right | 08:45 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, it does :) | 08:45 |
| rakhmerov | I have ideas to fix that though | 08:45 |
| d0ugal | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-queens - I am having a quick read of this | 08:45 |
| d0ugal | lots of the discussion is still relevant | 08:47 |
| d0ugal | so I guess we should avoid having the same discussions again | 08:47 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: other than the scheduler, what priorities do you have? | 08:53 |
| d0ugal | HA and perf I guess? | 08:53 |
| d0ugal | brb, I need more coffee | 08:54 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: well, yes, HA and performance mostly. And also documentation and usability | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | but I don't know what else to discuss on the latter two | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | we just need to be doing that | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | talk is cheap | 08:55 |
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| d0ugal | Indeed | 08:59 |
| d0ugal | Maybe we need to try and focus our discussions around actions that we can do | 09:00 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: Brad is going to be there, right? | 09:02 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yes | 09:03 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just not sure I understood his reply when I asked him ) | 09:03 |
| d0ugal | haha, what did he say? | 09:03 |
| rakhmerov | something like "Hah!" | 09:03 |
| d0ugal | lol | 09:03 |
| rakhmerov | on the security thing (securing data) he's the best person to talk to | 09:04 |
| rakhmerov | he knows the details | 09:04 |
| d0ugal | yup | 09:04 |
| d0ugal | he did tell me about it once but I forgot :)) | 09:04 |
| rakhmerov | and he was going to POC the solution based on Castellan | 09:04 |
| d0ugal | I think we need to do a better job of writing down out investigation results. | 09:04 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, that's ok, let's refresh with him | 09:04 |
| rakhmerov | yeah.. | 09:04 |
| rakhmerov | ideally, the assignee should do it while memories are still fresh | 09:05 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 09:05 |
| d0ugal | Indeed | 09:05 |
| d0ugal | I am not sure why the Workflow Error Analysis work stalled either | 09:05 |
| d0ugal | I see we had no specs for queens | 09:06 |
| d0ugal | I guess because we have so many unfinished older specs! | 09:06 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: there's also a ton of things that I also really want to fix and implement but they are not so big, there are just many of them | 09:06 |
| rakhmerov | like, for example, installation process | 09:06 |
| d0ugal | Yeah | 09:06 |
| rakhmerov | now it simply fails when it tries install OpenStack actions | 09:06 |
| d0ugal | oh, it does? | 09:07 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 09:07 |
| d0ugal | I should try installing Mistral manually | 09:07 |
| d0ugal | :) | 09:07 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: btw are there any PTG sessions I should attend as PTL? | 09:08 |
| rakhmerov | I tried to install it recently and when I did "mistral-db-manage populate" it got stock | 09:08 |
| rakhmerov | it turned out that it was unable to install OpenStack actions | 09:08 |
| d0ugal | damn | 09:08 |
| d0ugal | That command does output lots of errors | 09:08 |
| rakhmerov | when I commented the corresponding line, it was ok | 09:09 |
| d0ugal | but I thought it finished okay | 09:09 |
| rakhmerov | nope | 09:09 |
| rakhmerov | most likely I'll investigate and fix it next week | 09:09 |
| rakhmerov | I really want to because it's a shame, honestly ) | 09:09 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: do you remember which line? | 09:09 |
| d0ugal | does it fail if an openstack lib is missing or something? | 09:09 |
| rakhmerov | imagine regular users who try Mistral for the first time | 09:09 |
| d0ugal | Indeed :/ | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | I don't know exactly why, but I guess it's because there wasn't a connection to the OpenStack | 09:10 |
| d0ugal | I'll try and make some time to do a manual install and go through the docs | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | my auth was disabled | 09:10 |
| d0ugal | oh | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 09:10 |
| d0ugal | damn | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | but this is the case too | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | and it should work | 09:10 |
| rakhmerov | at least it should print something out to let people know that OpenStack auth is required | 09:11 |
| d0ugal | yup | 09:11 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: this line: https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/services/action_manager.py#L126 | 09:18 |
| d0ugal | oh okay, so just disabling the OpenStack actions totally | 09:19 |
| d0ugal | I guess that'd fix it | 09:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 09:21 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: one more thing that I'd like to fix is the Kombu RPC | 09:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: fyi, tripleo found anther regression in mistralclient | 09:29 |
| d0ugal | well, I think it is a regression, but it depends how you look at it :) | 09:30 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488531/7/mistralclient/api/v2/executions.py | 09:30 |
| rakhmerov | it's one of the repeating things too but it may fall into HA and performance | 09:30 |
| rakhmerov | woops | 09:30 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: if you pass positional args, then the second one changed. We should have added namespace to the end of the function definition | 09:30 |
| rakhmerov | looking.. | 09:30 |
| d0ugal | In some ways it is a fault of Python, but we should have taken it into account. | 09:31 |
| rakhmerov | yeah.. I see | 09:31 |
| rakhmerov | well, it's another kw arg actually | 09:31 |
| rakhmerov | not even sure if it's considered an incompatibility | 09:32 |
| d0ugal | I think it is :) | 09:32 |
| d0ugal | This would have workefd before create(wf, input) | 09:32 |
| d0ugal | but after that change input becomes the namespace | 09:32 |
| rakhmerov | true.. | 09:33 |
| d0ugal | anyway, just something to think about in the future | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | aah | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | I think for this one it's kind of late to change anything | 09:33 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: therve also pointed out that we also stopped anyone using the params name "namespace" :) | 09:33 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: agreed, we are fixing it in Heat | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 09:33 |
| d0ugal | (where we means therve and not me at all) | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | I wonder how we overlooked it.. | 09:33 |
| rakhmerov | if had we added this as the last arg it would've been ok | 09:34 |
| therve | rakhmerov, Well somewhat for the current issue, yeah | 09:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 09:34 |
| rakhmerov | lesson learned | 09:34 |
| therve | Another arg was added recently incidentally | 09:34 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: btw we are only finding these now because this was all in master but unreleased | 09:35 |
| rakhmerov | it can't be, namespaces were added in Pike | 09:36 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: https://github.com/openstack/python-mistralclient/compare/3.1.4...3.2.0 | 09:36 |
| rakhmerov | and released | 09:36 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: it can be :) | 09:36 |
| d0ugal | it merged after 3.1.4 was released, and I only released 3.2.0 recently | 09:36 |
| rakhmerov | really???? | 09:37 |
| rakhmerov | how come? | 09:37 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: maybe I am doing that github compare wrong, but it shows as being in 3.2.0 and not 3.1.4 | 09:37 |
| d0ugal | Maybe it merged after the client branched and was never backported? | 09:37 |
| d0ugal | I'll try and find out | 09:37 |
| therve | Yeah 3.1.4 was a stable release I guess? | 09:37 |
| therve | Because it was released way after | 09:37 |
| d0ugal | therve: more stable than 3.2.0 anyway :-D | 09:37 |
| therve | Heh | 09:37 |
| therve | d0ugal, Well stable is the source was stable/pike :D | 09:38 |
| d0ugal | yup | 09:38 |
| therve | But yeah that's the 3rd issue with 3.2.0 :/ | 09:38 |
| d0ugal | Hopefully this will help avoid some in the future: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/543447/ | 09:39 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 09:40 |
| therve | d0ugal, I guess it doesn't have ceph stuff? | 09:40 |
| d0ugal | therve: no, so it wouldn't have caught this issue (only the other two, I think) | 09:41 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I don't have more serious big topics for now, let me think more and add them before Monday | 09:41 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: likewise, I don't have anything else to add. I'll give it some more thought too. | 09:41 |
| rakhmerov | all the most important IMO stuff is there | 09:41 |
| d0ugal | Agreed | 09:41 |
| d0ugal | therve: I wonder if we could have a periodic test on mistralclient master with a more comprehesive CI run? | 09:41 |
| therve | d0ugal, If we have the proper notifications behind them | 09:42 |
| therve | Outside of ooo I haven't seen periodic being super successful | 09:42 |
| therve | d0ugal, If mistralclient is released more often, promotion will effectively be that :) | 09:43 |
| d0ugal | therve: maybe we should just switch to a ceph job then, since that will cover much more of how we use Mistral | 09:43 |
| d0ugal | therve: true, I'll try and release it more often | 09:43 |
| d0ugal | I blame the queens release liaison | 09:43 |
| d0ugal | (me) | 09:43 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 09:46 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: btw, is our RC-2 (and the official for Queens) is OK? :) | 09:47 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I am not aware of any issues in Mistral | 09:47 |
| d0ugal | so, yes, I think it is okay | 09:48 |
| rakhmerov | I can't find the patch to openstack/releases.. | 09:48 |
| rakhmerov | I see only for RC-1 | 09:48 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: oh, I don't think there were any changes? | 09:49 |
| rakhmerov | they were | 09:49 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: which changes are not in the RC1? | 09:50 |
| d0ugal | I don't see anything in stable/queens | 09:50 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: https://github.com/openstack/mistral/compare/6.0.0.0rc1...stable/queens | 09:51 |
| rakhmerov | well, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520218/ I think deserves to be backported | 09:51 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I know.. | 09:51 |
| d0ugal | okay | 09:52 |
| rakhmerov | we didn't backport it | 09:52 |
| d0ugal | Looking | 09:52 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: it is a shame that it is written as a feature and not a bug | 09:52 |
| rakhmerov | however, it add a config option | 09:52 |
| rakhmerov | it adds.. | 09:52 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's more like a feature.. and it adds a config option | 09:52 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. ok | 09:53 |
| rakhmerov | adding a config option is against stable policy | 09:53 |
| d0ugal | If we are more careful with wording you can help changes like this land by describing them as a bug | 09:54 |
| d0ugal | "Add client caching to prevent performance problems reloading the same information from the database" :) | 09:54 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 09:54 |
| apetrich | aye | 09:55 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: if it is something you really need, we can make a case for it. | 09:55 |
| apetrich | how much of a performance boost that is btw? | 09:55 |
| apetrich | I haven't tried it | 09:55 |
| d0ugal | I don't know if it has been measured? | 09:56 |
| d0ugal | but I guess in theory it removes one database query per task? | 09:56 |
| rakhmerov | apetrich: not that much | 09:56 |
| rakhmerov | really depends on a use case | 09:56 |
| d0ugal | yeah, if you only use each task once it wont help :) | 09:56 |
| d0ugal | each action once* | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | right | 09:57 |
| d0ugal | but if you re-use the action often in a workflow it'll reduce the db queries | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | significantly | 09:57 |
| d0ugal | We have some recursive workflows - so it would help us there. | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | e.g. if you use a lot of std.http (which we do in CBND) it will help | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | there are also few small things (just looked) but I guess we shouldn't backport them | 09:58 |
| rakhmerov | they are really minor | 09:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I guess there will still be some bug fixes later eligible for backporting | 09:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 09:58 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: we don't need to do anything so that RC1 becomes Queens official, right? | 09:59 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: nothing that I am aware of, but I'll check. | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | please | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | I'm closing the day.. Going on the trip tomorrow | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | need to pack things etc. | 10:02 |
| d0ugal | okay, have a good weekend! | 10:03 |
| rakhmerov | I'll be in Israel next week and then go to Dublin | 10:03 |
| d0ugal | oh, cool - sounds interesting. | 10:05 |
| apetrich | rakhmerov, oh great food then | 10:07 |
| apetrich | rakhmerov, see you in Dublin. Have fun | 10:08 |
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| fultonj | rbrady: following up on our conversation yesterday about 1749645, it seems to have been an issue in Heat and python-mistralclient. | 19:14 |
| fultonj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488531/ | 19:14 |
| fultonj | is anyone interested in reverting ^ or releasing a follow-up patch? | 19:16 |
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| rbrady | fultonj: I read the bug first thing this morning when I signed on and saw it was fix proposed | 20:30 |
| fultonj | rbrady: do you think a change is necessary for python-mistralclient? as far as this specific bug is concerned, it looks like the heat change will address it. but might other clients have this issue? | 20:32 |
| rbrady | fultonj: I'm not sure. there's only been 1 reporter thus far. | 20:33 |
| fultonj | rbrady: ok, thanks for looking at this | 20:34 |
| rbrady | other projects have had 6 months to kick the tires on this. lol | 20:34 |
| rbrady | no problem | 20:34 |
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