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| kong | ok, the series changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:mistral-lib-0.1.0 | 01:14 |
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| rakhmerov | kong: awesome, thanks | 05:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, thrash|g0ne: just following up on the thing you discussed yesterday | 05:47 |
| rakhmerov | so, I looked at the issues reported by thrash|g0ne, it's really hard to tell what the reason is w/o deep investigation. It might be related with concurrency as you assumed, with Apache itself (because it controls threads itself AFAIK) or e.g. with DB objects ordering issue (we used to observe this a lot) | 05:49 |
| rakhmerov | thrash|g0ne, d0ugal: let me know if there's any updates on that | 05:50 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: on CLI guide, I tend to agree with your change although some part of my consciousness says "hey, what if someone wants to see Mistral commands w/o installing Mistral yet?" | 05:52 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: and yes, initially it was auto generated, Nikolay Makhotkin wrote a script for that | 05:53 |
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| rakhmerov | ideally, I'd say it might be useful to have the full list of commands but only if: | 05:56 |
| rakhmerov | 1) their docs are nicely and comprehensively designed | 05:56 |
| rakhmerov | 2) their docs are properly auto-published from the source code | 05:56 |
| rakhmerov | 3) they take a place in docs so that they are not annoying, meaning that if someone wants to see it they will see it but it doesn't jump right into user's eyes once they open the doc | 06:01 |
| rakhmerov | thrash|g0ne, d0ugal: on the security spec, let's continue discussion in the spec itself. I think what Moshe is suggesting is good but 1) it may be a good suggestion for the next DSL version 2) I always have the goal in mind to keep balance between simplicity and power when it comes to language so I think there should be no rush at least when discussing it | 06:08 |
| rakhmerov | 3) and yes, I think it can be mentioned in "Alternative" for now and addressed in details in a separate spec | 06:08 |
| rakhmerov | so anyway, let's not hurry with this, I always ask about it when we discuss language changes | 06:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/mistral-lib master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/454493 | 06:19 |
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| d0ugal | kong: thanks! | 06:57 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: can you +1 this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454409/ | 07:32 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: see the comment from Steve Martinelli | 07:32 |
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| apetrich | d0ugal, about mistral-lib and context. should the tripleoAction use the context that comes from the run method for stuff like get_orchestration_client or do we leave as it is and it will still depend on mistral.context? | 07:51 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, I'm tempted to on the run method save the context to self.context and use that throughout | 07:51 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: yeah, saving it on self like that seems reasonable. | 07:52 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: or add context to each of the get_*_client methods | 07:52 |
| apetrich | but it feels flimsy in the sense that it is required and if some Action doesn't do that it is an error | 07:52 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: yeah, maybe passing it on is the clearer approach? | 07:52 |
| d0ugal | I don't really mind. | 07:52 |
| apetrich | agreed. | 07:53 |
| apetrich | A lot more places to change but it is cleaner | 07:53 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: most actions only use one or two clients, so it shouldn't be that difficult to use in the end | 07:53 |
| d0ugal | cool | 07:53 |
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| jenner_ | guys, can someone help me understand the "join" semantics? consider this WF https://dpaste.de/7Prw (it's obviously broken) - what I'm trying to achieve is something like http://a.rulim.de/workflow.png (last condition should read status != 200). thing is, "ze_end" is waiting for *all* tasks to complete, even if "print_status" wasn't started since "get_url" finished successfully | 08:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/mistral master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/454492 | 08:29 |
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| d0ugal | jenner_: I think that workflow will do what you want without the join. | 09:25 |
| d0ugal | so you don't have any parallel branches to join | 09:26 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Maybe we could just reference this? https://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/mistral.html | 09:34 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: or find out how that is generated and borrow it... | 09:34 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, I'm not completely sure about the context in the mistral default executor. How is it going to be able to access the correct thread_locals. | 09:36 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: hmm, I'm not sure | 09:37 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: honestly I am a bit confused with how the thread locals work - I'll try and understand more | 09:38 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: but I thought the same one was shared? | 09:38 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, yeah. I'm trying to test it right now. probably after lunch I will be sure that it is not an issue and I'm just misunderstanding | 09:39 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: cool, let me know either way because I know I don't fully understand :-D | 09:40 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, so I've moved all the context to come from the run method https://review.openstack.org/454632 | 09:40 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: I commented on it already :) | 09:41 |
| apetrich | I just saw it | 09:42 |
| apetrich | cheers | 09:42 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: it doesn't need to be in the same patch, but we also need to change the imports of mistral.workflow | 09:42 |
| d0ugal | and replace it with an import of https://github.com/openstack/mistral-lib/blob/master/mistral_lib/actions/types.py#L21 | 09:43 |
| d0ugal | Result should also be here to make the API easier to use. https://github.com/openstack/mistral-lib/blob/master/mistral_lib/actions/__init__.py#L17 | 09:44 |
| d0ugal | I'm going to put a patch up for that now | 09:44 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, fixed the actions import | 09:44 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, cool | 09:45 |
| d0ugal | and actually, there might be a chance needed in Mistral to make the Result class work - I'll look into that. | 09:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Dougal Matthews proposed openstack/mistral-lib master: Make the Result class more convienient to use https://review.openstack.org/454643 | 09:47 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: ^ you may want to depend on that. | 09:47 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, aye | 09:47 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: this is becoming quite the dep tree. | 09:48 |
| d0ugal | as you also indirectly depend on these: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:mistral-lib-0.1.0 | 09:48 |
| d0ugal | :) | 09:48 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, let's just reference that guide for now | 10:25 |
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| rakhmerov | and then we can borrow ) | 10:25 |
| rakhmerov | jenner_: hi, still have that question about "join"? | 10:27 |
| rakhmerov | I can help | 10:27 |
| warface | hey guys, i was wondering if there is any standalone GUI for managing mistral workflows ? | 10:39 |
| warface | AFAIK there is a horizon plugin, but we are using standalone mistral image, so curious if there's any GUI available as well ? | 10:41 |
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| rakhmerov | warface: it's being created now but not yet open sourced | 10:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: btw, my management supported the idea to demo that UI tool | 10:48 |
| rakhmerov | we'll do it in a couple of weeks after releasing Pike-1 | 10:48 |
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| d0ugal | nice! | 10:49 |
| rakhmerov | and we agreed that we're targeting Sydney summit to announce it officially | 10:49 |
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| d0ugal | heh, cool | 10:49 |
| d0ugal | shame I wont be there :) | 10:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Pouget proposed openstack/python-mistralclient master: Add CLI for event trigger operations https://review.openstack.org/454669 | 10:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, may be we'll demo CloudFlow (that's the current name of the tool) on a team weekly meeting via webex | 10:52 |
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| thrash | rakhmerov: thanks for looking into the concurrency problem. Don't bother spending much more time on it. I'm already neck-deep in a deep-dive on it. I just wanted to run it by you in case you had an instant insight on it. | 10:54 |
| rakhmerov | thrash: ok :) | 10:55 |
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| thrash | rakhmerov: I think one thing I may do is to get the devstack install to support wsgi from apache... | 10:58 |
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| rakhmerov | thrash: you mean a new CI gate? | 11:19 |
| thrash | rakhmerov: that's what it could turn into, yes. | 11:19 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, that would be useful | 11:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 11:19 |
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| apetrich | d0ugal, so I was wrong about the context. it worked | 12:06 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: phew :) | 12:06 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, I'm so scared that it worked fine | 12:06 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: hey | 12:07 |
| d0ugal | apetrich: lol, too easy? | 12:07 |
| * apetrich is suspicious | 12:08 | |
| apetrich | after a week failing it in different ways. yeah a bit | 12:08 |
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| apetrich | d0ugal, yeah validate passes | 12:14 |
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| d0ugal | apetrich: neat | 12:19 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: can you also +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454391/ | 12:25 |
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| jenner_ | rakhmerov: hi, yeah, kind of -- it works with join: 2, but it's kinda unexpected since the on-error task wasn't even started | 12:33 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal:I wanted to simulate async/parallel execution | 12:34 |
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| d0ugal | jenner_: I see, I can help you come up with an example if you want? | 12:46 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal: this would be awesome! :) | 12:46 |
| d0ugal | okay, give me a few mins. | 12:46 |
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| jenner_ | I'm also interested in best practices for custom action maintenance - if I'm reading the docs correctly, I need to inherit mistral.actions.base and implement the run() method (update DB etc.), however the docs also say I need to reinstall mistral - why is that? | 12:49 |
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| d0ugal | jenner_: sorry, I got distracted. | 13:13 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: this is actually a pretty good example of join: https://github.com/openstack/mistral-extra/blob/5eebb0d5dcaf8e1973a91e3fa6f72eb61cacab0c/examples/v2/capabilities/join/create_vm_with_volume.yaml | 13:13 |
| d0ugal | mistral-extra has a few examples in there, worth taking a look at | 13:13 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: regarding custom actions - you don't need to reinstall mistral, that sounds odd - can you link to where in the docs it says that? | 13:14 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: you do need to restart mistral tho' | 13:14 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: depending when you plan to use Mistral and what version - there is a new API for writing custom actions coming. It will be easier and clearer to use. http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/mistral-specs/specs/pike/approved/mistral-custom-actions-api.html | 13:15 |
| warface | rakhmerov: ok, thanks | 13:22 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/developer/creating_custom_action.html | 13:33 |
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| jenner_ | d0ugal: thanks, I've already had a look at mistral-extra | 13:33 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: weird, we never reinstall Mistral anyway :) | 13:35 |
| d0ugal | restarting is enough | 13:35 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal: restarting bad though :( I'd need to find a way to mark an engine-node (only engine or does this apply to executors too?) as "in maintenance" so it doesn't pick new WFs, wait until it finishes all executions and then restart it... rinse and repeat for the rest of the cluster | 13:37 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: agreed, restarting is bad - this is mostly due to a limitation of Python AFAIK. However, we need to do something to work around it at some point | 13:37 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal: does the engine really need to be restarted? I'd have thought I just need to update the DB so it knows about possible new actions and the restart only the executors | 13:39 |
| jenner_ | *and then | 13:40 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: If you are changing an existing action - yes, because it will already be imported and in memory | 13:40 |
| d0ugal | if it is an existing action... maybe you don't need to restart everything. This would require some testing. | 13:40 |
| jenner_ | d0ugal: but what if I run the engine on another host or in an extra process? the engine itself doesn't import the action, right? the executor process does though | 13:41 |
| d0ugal | We very rarely add new actions in production - because I use Mistral in another OpenStack project (so release every 6 months) - so I don't hit this issue often :) | 13:41 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: yeah, that might work. | 13:42 |
| d0ugal | I guess the answer is; it might work, but the safe option is to restart if you can. | 13:43 |
| jenner_ | k | 13:43 |
| d0ugal | Somebody that releases more often will have better experience of this :) | 13:43 |
| d0ugal | I would ask rakhmerov next week. | 13:43 |
| jenner_ | well I guess it won't happen that often once we hit production, I just need to make sure we have a robust operational concept | 13:44 |
| d0ugal | sure | 13:45 |
| jenner_ | what about orchestration? any way to say "executor foo.bar is going down in a minute, disregard it for new tasks"? | 13:46 |
| d0ugal | No, I don't think so | 13:47 |
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| d0ugal | but I would need to check | 13:47 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: you could use the Task affinity to run workflows on a specific executor | 13:50 |
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| d0ugal | see the "target" attribute in a workflow: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/dsl/dsl_v2.html#common-task-attributes | 13:50 |
| d0ugal | but that would require updating each workflow every time you want to remove a executor | 13:50 |
| jenner_ | exactly | 13:51 |
| jenner_ | I need to do the opposite :) | 13:51 |
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| jenner_ | d0ugal: there's an error in description btw: https://github.com/openstack/mistral-extra/blob/master/examples/v2/calculator/calculator.yaml#L93 :) | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | jenner_: thanks, I'll fix that | 14:05 |
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| d0ugal | jenner_: ^ | 14:07 |
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