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| rakhmerov | kong: I'm ok with that | 02:51 |
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| kong | rakhmerov: ok, so let's do it | 02:51 |
| rakhmerov | kong: I really see it as a very useful thing in Mistral | 02:52 |
| rakhmerov | a lot of people have already asked me when this kind of trigger will be supported | 02:52 |
| kong | yeah, it's useful, my concern comes from the implementation | 02:52 |
| rakhmerov | and I think it's good that it won't require ceilometer | 02:52 |
| kong | but i'm not strong against that | 02:53 |
| rakhmerov | using Ceilometer though is still an option too if someone wants it | 02:53 |
| rakhmerov | we just need to teach Mistral work with signed urls | 02:53 |
| rakhmerov | and the thing is that they've already implemented this trigger in their own fork in IBM, I saw the presentation at the summit how it works | 02:54 |
| rakhmerov | it is really awesome | 02:54 |
| kong | rakhmerov: ok, seems they are ready for it, don't want to block such feature | 02:55 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thank you | 02:56 |
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| rakhmerov | kong: can you also +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316578/ ? | 02:57 |
| rakhmerov | it removes that hack for oslo.messaging usage | 02:57 |
| rakhmerov | we decided yesterday that we should remove it and find a good solution | 02:57 |
| rakhmerov | because we are broken again now with the new version of oslo.messaging | 02:58 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/mistral: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316943 | 02:58 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/mistral-extra: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/317183 | 02:58 |
| kong | i saw that, i missed Nikolay's thoughts about it. | 02:58 |
| kong | hacking on another library is bad idea :-( | 02:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-mistralclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/317193 | 03:02 |
| rbrady | good morning rakhmerov! | 03:08 |
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| rakhmerov | hparekh: can you please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316578/ ? | 04:10 |
| rakhmerov | yesterday we agreed to remove that hack | 04:10 |
| hparekh | rakhmerov, yeah, sure | 04:10 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 04:10 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh: btw, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316961/ failed but seems like it's a different issue now | 04:11 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to recheck | 04:11 |
| hparekh | rakhmerov, I have rechecked | 04:11 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 04:11 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 04:12 |
| hparekh | rakhmerov, Also gate-mistral-devstack-dsvm is failed, Isuue is it is using master branch of tempest | 04:12 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 04:12 |
| rakhmerov | but I suggest we don't fix it | 04:13 |
| rakhmerov | it's stable/liberty | 04:13 |
| rakhmerov | we can't spend much time to support it | 04:13 |
| hparekh | Should we cherry-pick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290995/ ? | 04:14 |
| rakhmerov | let's try | 04:16 |
| rakhmerov | I guess you're right | 04:16 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, merge conflict | 04:16 |
| rakhmerov | something else is missing before this patch | 04:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/mistral: Remove oslo.messaging hack since it's broken with 5.0.0 version https://review.openstack.org/316578 | 04:23 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: hi Nikolay, just FYI: we yesterday decided to remove that hack in rpc.py and continue to work on your patches | 04:26 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/mistral: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316943 | 04:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/mistral-extra: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/317183 | 04:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/mistral: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/316943 | 08:04 |
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| ak | Do we use this https://openstack.nimeyo.com/51307/openstack-messaging-acknowledge-feature-rabbitmq-messaging in mistral ? | 08:24 |
| ak | What happens in mistral when executor service restarts | 08:25 |
| ak | Hi guys, need help regarding how mistral and rabbitmq work together | 08:28 |
| nmakhotkin | rakhmerov, yes, I saw that already :) | 08:51 |
| nmakhotkin | ok, no problem | 08:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 08:52 |
| nmakhotkin | rakhmerov: btw, I've found some pika-based code of rpc-client and server on my machine | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | ak: acknowledgements are used but it's done in a hacky way | 08:53 |
| nmakhotkin | which I didn't submit to review | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | ak: a hack to do that was included in Mitaka but now we removed it and want to make it properly | 08:53 |
| nmakhotkin | I can share that with you if you wish | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: ooh, that's awesome, can you share it? | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | github e.g. | 08:54 |
| rakhmerov | ak: what kind of help do you need on rabbit? | 08:54 |
| nmakhotkin | But I don't sure that it works :) | 08:54 |
| rakhmerov | np, it can just help us understand main concepts | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: btw, I'm now completely rewriting Mistral engine, another big refactoring | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | task_handler, action_handler and default_engine | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: you'll like it very much, I'm sure | 08:58 |
| nmakhotkin | rakhmerov: oooh | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | I finally understood what our problem was with all these entangled cases | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I should finish this week | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin: once it's done I'd like to ask you to review it | 08:59 |
| rakhmerov | since you're one of the best experts in Mistral architecture | 08:59 |
| rakhmerov | and impl | 08:59 |
| nmakhotkin | rakhmerov: ok | 08:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 08:59 |
| nmakhotkin | no problem, I will review :) | 08:59 |
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| ak | @rakhmerov Sorry I was doing something else | 09:41 |
| ak | Basically I am running Executor api and engine on three different machines | 09:41 |
| ak | my concern is if one of the executors/engine which is in middle of a task and crashes what exactly happens is the question | 09:42 |
| rakhmerov | ak, if you use Mitaka version the action which was running will be rescheduled automatically | 09:44 |
| rakhmerov | so it won't be lost | 09:44 |
| ak | yeah I am using mitaka only | 09:44 |
| ak | Can you explain how does that happen ? | 09:45 |
| ak | is there a doc which does i will take a look | 09:45 |
| ak | @rakhmerov ?? | 09:53 |
| rakhmerov | ak, no docs, sorry | 09:54 |
| rakhmerov | the mechanism is pretty simple though | 09:54 |
| rakhmerov | it's just a standard feature of rabbit | 09:54 |
| ak | ohk | 09:54 |
| rakhmerov | it supports message acknowledgment | 09:55 |
| ak | What i understand is engine first make a task in running state makes a rpc call to executor wait for it to complete once thats done moves the task back to sucess/error | 09:55 |
| rakhmerov | when a client polls a message from queue the message is not actually removed from the queue | 09:56 |
| ak | ohk | 09:56 |
| rakhmerov | it gets removed only when a client acknowledges it | 09:56 |
| rakhmerov | so if rabbit lost a connection with the client before an acknowledgement is received it just resubmits the message | 09:56 |
| rakhmerov | so that a different client can take it | 09:57 |
| ak | ohk cool | 09:57 |
| ak | this is solve the executor getting restarted | 09:57 |
| ak | but what about engine service getting restarted ? | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | ak: right, your logic chain is correct | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | ak, it's totally ok | 09:57 |
| rakhmerov | engine does everything in transaction | 09:58 |
| ak | ok. For example engine make a task entry to RUNNING and then crashes | 09:58 |
| ak | will it get stuck there ? | 09:58 |
| ak | ohk nice | 09:58 |
| rakhmerov | no, it shouldn't get stuck | 09:58 |
| ak | So Engine will do all the above that I mentioned in one transaction ? | 09:59 |
| rakhmerov | almost | 09:59 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 09:59 |
| rakhmerov | as far as persistent state updates - all transactional and atomic regardless of number of engines, workflows etc. | 10:00 |
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| rakhmerov | there's a small chance though that we will get into a concurrency window when DB state is say rolled back but message is not in the queue already | 10:01 |
| rakhmerov | we're aware of it and we're now in a process of fixing it | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | so the honest answer: yes, it can get stuck actually | 10:02 |
| rakhmerov | the thing is that it can't be solved in 100% reliable manner for fundamental reasons | 10:03 |
| rakhmerov | there can be some mitigation options that we are going to implement | 10:03 |
| rakhmerov | recovery scenarios | 10:04 |
| ak | ok | 10:10 |
| ak | Ohk @rakhmerov thx | 10:12 |
| ak | Please let me know if you are tracking this via any bug or feature request | 10:13 |
| rakhmerov | ak: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-alternative-rpc, but this is only part of it | 10:13 |
| ak | cool | 10:19 |
| ak | thx a lot | 10:19 |
| ak | btw one last question @rajhmerov message acknowledgment is default setting right . Or do i need to enable this ? | 10:26 |
| rakhmerov | default | 10:27 |
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| shardy | Hi all, I'm looking for advice re dependencies ref https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1582651 | 10:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1582651 in tripleo "Mistral db-sync failure in CI jobs" [High,Triaged] | 10:52 |
| shardy | Is there any mechanism to blacklist or disable actions, such that e.g python-designateclient isn't a hard dependency? | 10:52 |
| shardy | we can install the client if needed, but we faced a similar issue with Heat, and decided to have a soft-dependency model, where plugins are disabled when the required client isn't found | 10:53 |
| shardy | I wondered if any similar concept existed in mistral | 10:53 |
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| rakhmerov | shardy: Hi | 11:01 |
| shardy | rakhmerov: Hi! | 11:01 |
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| rakhmerov | shardy: it's not yet implemented | 11:01 |
| rakhmerov | but we agreed that it should be as soon as we can | 11:02 |
| shardy | rakhmerov: Ok, sounds good - do you have someone already working on it, or looking for volunteers? | 11:02 |
| rakhmerov | we'll move all OpenStack actions to a separate repo and it will be installed separately if needed | 11:02 |
| rakhmerov | not at the moment but rbrady and myself are planning to be involved | 11:03 |
| rakhmerov | and dprince as well | 11:03 |
| shardy | rakhmerov: ack, that sounds good, I'll chat with rbrady and dprince | 11:03 |
| rakhmerov | I think realistic estimate is Newton-2 | 11:03 |
| shardy | rakhmerov: for now we can just install the client as a workaround | 11:03 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 11:03 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please | 11:03 |
| shardy | rakhmerov: I'll take another look at how we do this in Heat, the requirement is very similar, perhaps we can figure out a way to reuse/share some code | 11:04 |
| rakhmerov | we're aware of that issue | 11:04 |
| rakhmerov | that would be perfect | 11:04 |
| shardy | great, thanks for the information! :) | 11:04 |
| rakhmerov | shardy: no problem | 11:06 |
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| ak | @rakhmerov In retry count, wait-after etc presently we can only put static values is there any feature request where we can keep dynamic values of these ? | 11:23 |
| rakhmerov | ak: all of them can be Yaql expressions | 11:25 |
| rakhmerov | so they are dynamic | 11:25 |
| rakhmerov | e.g.: wait-after: <% $.my_context_value %> | 11:25 |
| ak | oh when was this change done ? does it work fro retry count too ? | 11:27 |
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| ak | presently we are doing some task if it failes we delay it by 5 secs | 11:27 |
| ak | for the next try we want to wait for around 10 secs | 11:28 |
| ak | basically exponential wait time instead of wait for same time again and again | 11:28 |
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| rakhmerov | ak: yes, it works almost for anything | 11:31 |
| ak | ohk | 11:31 |
| ak | was this change made in mitaka | 11:31 |
| rakhmerov | it was done long ago :) | 11:31 |
| rakhmerov | no, long before that | 11:31 |
| ak | last time i tried in some older version delay only allowed numbers | 11:31 |
| rakhmerov | please try, it should work | 11:31 |
| rakhmerov | hm, in kilo may be | 11:31 |
| rakhmerov | but in Liberty it exists, I'm sure | 11:31 |
| ak | ohk | 11:32 |
| ak | will take a look | 11:32 |
| ak | does mistral has any plan for exponential retries ? | 11:34 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, we thought about it | 11:37 |
| rakhmerov | but no specific plans at the moment | 11:37 |
| rakhmerov | can you file a blueprint for that? | 11:37 |
| rakhmerov | it's relatively easy to implement | 11:38 |
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| ak | @rakhmerov sure I will try to put, never did it, new to open source and open stack | 11:55 |
| ak | will ask one of my friend and will try to post one | 11:55 |
| rakhmerov | that's no problem, nothing is hard here ) | 11:56 |
| rakhmerov | it's easy | 11:56 |
| rakhmerov | just go to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral | 11:56 |
| rakhmerov | then see if a similar BP exists | 11:56 |
| rakhmerov | if it doesn't then push "Register a blueprint" | 11:57 |
| rakhmerov | that's it | 11:57 |
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| mflobo | Hi, I have a question about mistral and custom actions | 13:57 |
| mflobo | Is there any tutorial to learn how to define custom actions in Mistral? | 13:57 |
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| rlanda | Hello all - is there a mistal users channel for simple questions and such? | 15:41 |
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