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| Luzi | #startmeeting image_encryption | 13:03 |
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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Mon Mar 3 13:03:17 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Luzi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'image_encryption' | 13:03 |
| Luzi | #topic Roll Call | 13:03 |
| fungi | ahoy! | 13:03 |
| Luzi | hi fungi | 13:03 |
| Luzi | #topic Image Encryption Patches | 13:03 |
| Luzi | i saw you edited the glance patch | 13:03 |
| fungi | and another one too, for cinder? | 13:04 |
| fungi | just some minor fixes for test failures and linter expectations | 13:04 |
| Luzi | thank you very much | 13:04 |
| fungi | wanted to make sure they were passing so reviewers would have fewer excuses for ignoring them | 13:04 |
| Luzi | again thank you for this | 13:05 |
| fungi | i think at least one change under that topic some unresolved comments from a core reviewer, but i forget which it was at the moment | 13:05 |
| Luzi | I think Markus also wanted to take a look into the patches last week. I will talk to him lates | 13:06 |
| Luzi | later | 13:06 |
| Luzi | As this whole topic will not make it into this release: I would really like to avoid another situation like this in the next release again. | 13:07 |
| Luzi | Unfortunately we still have not much time, we can currently put into upstream work | 13:09 |
| Luzi | we hope that this might change, but... right now it is not possible | 13:09 |
| Luzi | do you have any idea, how we can get a better start for the next cycle? | 13:10 |
| Luzi | I remember there were long pauses, when no one reviewed... this is unfortunate for a cross-project feature :/ | 13:11 |
| fungi | unfortunately, openstack has been very siloed/balkanized since its inception, and getting more than a handful of developers to care about project-wide issues and efforts has been challenging | 13:12 |
| Luzi | i know | 13:12 |
| fungi | those who do, usually end up in "horizontal" teams like release management, quality assurance, and so on, as well as on the tc | 13:13 |
| fungi | i and others have pushed repeatedly for leadership to promote a "one openstack" vision, but really bringing that to fruition would probably require dissolving the current team-based governance structure that serves only to reinforce boundaries between components | 13:14 |
| Luzi | i see | 13:15 |
| Luzi | my fear is, that we end up like today at the end of the next release, too. | 13:15 |
| fungi | the idea of having a pop-up team and the cross-project goals framework were attempts to solve it through an overlay sort of model, but they don't seem to solve the division | 13:16 |
| Luzi | yeah, you were the only regular participant here :D | 13:16 |
| Luzi | everything has upsides and downsides... | 13:17 |
| fungi | yeah, and i lack deep knowledge of the services involved, mostly trying to help promote it from the project-wise security angle, but i'm spread really thin too | 13:18 |
| fungi | s/wise/wide/ | 13:18 |
| Luzi | i appreciate that | 13:18 |
| Luzi | i will think about, how we can get more attention for this feature in the next cycle. | 13:19 |
| fungi | i'm trying to help address some of the deeper challenges with review focus and making things a little better for casual contributors with the "bridging the gap" effort | 13:19 |
| fungi | but that's a more general attempt to find ways to improve review efficiency and catch more that might fall through the cracks otherwise | 13:20 |
| fungi | it's not an easy problem to solve, unfortunately, and something that a majority of large open source community projects struggle with, not just openstack | 13:21 |
| Luzi | yeah | 13:22 |
| fungi | a lot of the underlying problem with implicit/unconscious reviewer time priorities comes down to human nature and the strength of social connections | 13:23 |
| Luzi | :D I also have learned so much more about human nature, communication and sociology than I've ever thought :D | 13:24 |
| Luzi | just by trying to work here | 13:24 |
| Luzi | Well, I think that was it for todays meeting, do you have anything else? | 13:25 |
| fungi | which means that more active participants (i.e. those paid full-time to work upstream on the project, and usually a specific subcomponent in a specific team) have greater social capital and so their changes tend to garner an outsized amounnt of reviewer time, leaving lower-volume participants mostly ignored | 13:25 |
| mhen | o/ sorry for being late (I had the IRC chat open but forgot to take a look in time) | 13:26 |
| mhen | I did look at the patchsets last week | 13:26 |
| fungi | i did not, unfortunately, other than trying to keep a closer eye on those changes and helping find more people to review them to get them over the finish line | 13:26 |
| Luzi | that is really helping us fungi :) | 13:26 |
| mhen | I integrated some minor suggestions and addressed questions where applicable. | 13:27 |
| mhen | from my point of view nothing major popped up in the comments yet | 13:27 |
| fungi | looks like 926295 had questions from cyril, that's what i was thinking of | 13:27 |
| fungi | and you replied to them | 13:28 |
| fungi | anyway, i didn't have anything to bring up | 13:29 |
| fungi | thanks for hanging in there! | 13:30 |
| Luzi | okay do you have anything else mhen? | 13:30 |
| mhen | Nova's patchset is in merge conflict right now, gotta rebase some time but it's really tiny so just a formality I guess | 13:30 |
| Luzi | okay | 13:31 |
| mhen | other than that not really, just waiting for feedback on my responses | 13:31 |
| Luzi | if that's all, tahnk you for joining this meeting and have a nice week | 13:31 |
| Luzi | #endmeeting image_encryption | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Mon Mar 3 13:31:58 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/image_encryption/2025/image_encryption.2025-03-03-13.03.html | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/image_encryption/2025/image_encryption.2025-03-03-13.03.txt | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/image_encryption/2025/image_encryption.2025-03-03-13.03.log.html | 13:31 |
| fungi | you too! | 13:32 |
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