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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 27 14:00:12 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | lets wait couple of minutes for others | 14:00 |
| Steap | (so, are we moving to the-other-IRC-server any time soon?) | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | will come to that in a bit | 14:01 |
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| jokke | o/ | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | cool, lets start | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
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| abhishekk | Migration of network, So everyone is aware about current decision made by TC | 14:03 |
| dansmith | yup | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | I would suggest to follow their guidelines and be ready | 14:03 |
| dansmith | I have a network-independent suggestion/request | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | sure | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | got it, moving ahead | 14:04 |
| dansmith | once we migrate, can we move this meeting to start happening in the glance channel itself? the meeting bots work the same there and some other projects have started doing that, qa and tc at the least | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | I am ok for this | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | would like to know what other thinks about the same | 14:05 |
| dansmith | it just means fewer channels open all the time, and/or less having to jump to a meeting channel, and generally less reminding | 14:05 |
| dansmith | potentially also more involvement from people that just lurk in the channel but not the meeting channels | 14:05 |
| jokke | Considering the amount of complains for people jumping in middle of meeting with off topic questions just because they don't realize meeting being ongoing I'd prefer us to stay on the meeting channel for clarity | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | jokke, Steap, rosmaita any concerns ^^ | 14:05 |
| jokke | this seems to be one of those reasons people dislike IRC so lets not add fuel to that fire ;) | 14:06 |
| Steap | I'm fine either way, as long as we run away from you know where | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Lets see what TC suggests about the same | 14:06 |
| dansmith | when I started participating, the meeting channel was listed incorrectly on the wiki too, so I was in the wrong meeting channel for a few minutes wondering where everyone was | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | I remember that :D | 14:06 |
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| dansmith | yeah :D | 14:07 |
| dansmith | anyway, not a big deal, but I don't think there's enough traffic in -glance to worry about interruptions | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i prefer using a dedicated meeting channel | 14:07 |
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| abhishekk | Ok so we have 2 vs 2 + Steap either way | 14:07 |
| Steap | is it easier for everyone if I choose a side? :) | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | we should weight votes by seniority :) | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:08 |
| jokke | :P | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:08 |
| jokke | Maybe we need a bot to relay the meeting channel to the project channel :D | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | Ok, I think lets see what TC suggests and then we can decide on this | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:09 |
| dansmith | if people have a strong preference for status-quo then just stick with that | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | #release/periodic jobs update | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | So this is M1 release week | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | we don't have concrete patches merged to tag a release | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | So we can skip this M1 release this time | 14:10 |
| dansmith | bummer | 14:10 |
| jokke | abhishekk: sounds good, first tag on m2 | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | Yep | 14:11 |
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| abhishekk | periodic jobs are green this week as well | 14:11 |
| jokke | I think m1 is just great reminder at the beginning of every cycle how quickly the start of the cycle disappears | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | for to those who have really really less active contributors | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | #topic Priority specs | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority specs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
| abhishekk | So we have two specs on priority | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | 1. Unified quotas | 14:12 |
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| abhishekk | which is ready to merge with 2 +2s | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | If there are no concerns raised by this week, I will approve the spec | 14:13 |
| jokke | dansmith: sorry if I have missed anything ongoing on the quota spec. Will look it after this meeting :( | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | 2nd Cache API - Yet working on modification | 14:13 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: and if there are, we're punting again? | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | If there are any valid concerns which are not addressed already then we need to | 14:14 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: I'm waiting until we agree/merge that before I spend more time working on the things we've discussed since, and we're getting to the point where it's been mostly sitting | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | I understand, I need to follow some protocols | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | I know how it feels when work is sitting without any attention | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | and I am sorry for that | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | We need to improve on providing reviews | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | this will be lesson for us if we want to attract new contributors/ new people | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, point is noted and will be addressed as well | 14:16 |
| dansmith | thanks, hope so | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | Yes | 14:17 |
| dansmith | I'm happy to address things, but 1.5 weeks between revisions is pretty painful | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | understood | 14:17 |
| dansmith | on the cache thing, I haven't seen a spec update yet, did I miss it? | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | nope, we didn't put up a modified spec yet | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | jokke, I guess we need to work on modification of spec | 14:18 |
| jokke | ++ | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | Expect a modifies spec before next weekly meeting | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead | 14:19 |
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| abhishekk | #topic | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:19 | |
| abhishekk | #topic Policy refactoring | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy refactoring (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:19 | |
| abhishekk | I guess, me and rosmaita both have reviewed the work | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | and the approach sounds promising to me | 14:20 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: I haven't seen a review from you | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | I didn't put a comment there? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | does that mean you looked at it and are happy with the approach? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | not that I saw | 14:20 |
| dansmith | I saw some comments on the earlier patches, | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | I think I forget to post it, must be in my drafts | 14:21 |
| dansmith | but the last one is the actual poc we need to decide on | 14:21 |
| dansmith | okay | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | So apart from finding reason for Conflict and Forbidden everything else seems inline to me | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | I am still not able to find the reason for this | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I looked a bunch early on, but figured you guys would be able to spot it easily, | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | and on top of that why tests are not failing after changing to Forbidden to conflicts as well | 14:22 |
| dansmith | and I haven't tried since | 14:22 |
| dansmith | but if rosmaita and abhishekk can't figure it out, I doubt I can | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i was thinking it may have to do with the amount of crap you can put in a PATCH request | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | I will try to configure property protection and manually test the scenario | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | some stuff might get kicked out before it hits the current policy layer of the onion | 14:23 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: right, like they were failing due to some other conflict and not the actual property protection right? | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:23 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: that's what I was saying -- the tests were just asserting what the test-writer was experiencing instead of what they should be | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | Then what has changed now | 14:23 |
| dansmith | and that's one reason putting the policy stuff up a layer is good because rejecting on policy before we get into other semantics is good | 14:24 |
| dansmith | i.e. instead of waiting until the DB layer | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | I think, we should start working on spec for this | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | agree, but still have abhishekk's question about why the tests pass either way | 14:24 |
| dansmith | I'm not sure I understand "either way" | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | means in your patch you just changed tests from conflict to forbidden, then why they are passing now | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | and even passed the patch before that | 14:26 |
| dansmith | because of the roles change | 14:26 |
| jokke | which patch you are talking about? | 14:26 |
| dansmith | they weren't passing roles before | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | ah | 14:27 |
| dansmith | er, they weren't passing the member role | 14:27 |
| dansmith | and that's what the policy rules check | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | jokke, give me a minute | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance/+/789914 | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, right, that could be the case | 14:28 |
| dansmith | the tests are still running with unrestricted base policy until the last patch | 14:28 |
| dansmith | so they don't check any of the regular policy stuff, only the protections since they don't pass the member role | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | hmm and due to protection stuff it could have been raising 403 conflict there | 14:29 |
| dansmith | unfortunately it's been almost a month since I looked at this, so I'll have to load it all in my head again | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | Ok, I will try to manual test property protection for that particular scenario | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | :/ | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | ok, moving ahead | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | #topic Bi-weekly Bug discussion (2nd) | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bi-weekly Bug discussion (2nd) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:31 | |
| abhishekk | Today we are going to discuss bugs from glance-store | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | our regular tracking etherpad is, https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/glance-bug-tracker | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | Lots of bugs are waiting there to Close, which me and Steap will do soon | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | Lets talk about the 1st bug | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1675950 | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1675950 in glance_store "swift auth opts to be removed from glance store code" [High,Triaged] | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | this bug is reported in 2015 for swift driver of glance | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | and last comment is from rosmaita on this | 14:33 |
| Steap | I'm not sure why it's high, but it makes sense to remove options that have been deprecated for 6 years+ | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | since then there is no work done on this | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | I think jokke has worked recently on swift driver of glance, so he could help us on this | 14:34 |
| jokke | kk | 14:34 |
| jokke | yeah that has not been exactly the priority of my investigations, but makes sense | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | The action could be see whether these options are used anywhere in swift driver | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | not sure why i made that High, but that was 3 years ago | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | if yes find the alternative and remove those options | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | guess i really wanted to get it into rocky | 14:35 |
| jokke | rosmaita: :D | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I think that was the reason, I remembered but unfortunately Dharini disappeared and that remain un-addressed | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | next one | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1904546 | 14:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1904546 in glance_store "Multiattach with Image volume backed" [High,New] | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | As recently commented by dansmith we do have a spec and patch for this | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | but it is sitting identical since proposed due to lack of reviews | 14:38 |
| dansmith | and my +2 is on it, but no attention from anyone else | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | This is another example where everyone of us (old team) need to priorities our reviews each week | 14:38 |
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| abhishekk | I will ask the owner to include this bug reference either in spec or patch | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | next one | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1185851 | 14:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1185851 in glance_store "glance allows delete even if cannot be deleted from ceph backend store" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Edward Hope-Morley (hopem) | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | This was reported in 2013 | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | We need to identify that this scenario/issue still exists | 14:40 |
| jokke | I'm pretty sure that has not been the case ofr the long time. Was that verified still being the issue? | 14:41 |
| jokke | -the | 14:41 |
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| abhishekk | If yes then provide a fix | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | Yes, I think that is in progress and the work is abandoned, so we need to verify that it is still a valid case of now | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | We do catch InUse exception in RBD driver | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | Me and Steap will look into this issue and provide update on the bug | 14:43 |
| jokke | yeah, I'm pretty sure that bug has been fixed for ages, and it just needs housekeeping | 14:43 |
| jokke | as in to be closed as fixed | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | cool, we will confirm the same and update it with appropriate comment | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | That's it from me, moving to open discussion | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open discussion | 14:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:44 | |
| abhishekk | I would like to suggest we should start following certain deadline apart from milestones for our work | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | This will help us to get timely attention to work done by each of us | 14:46 |
| jokke | dansmith: rotating bit back to the quotas spec, I think you addressed every one of my comments there and it seems that everyone else is fond of the easy way of soft quotas. I'll read it through once more with focus but not assuming there being anything else from me left | 14:46 |
| dansmith | jokke: thanks | 14:47 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: can you provide an example of what you're suggesting? | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | Or we should assign particular reviewers to certain feature work/priority bugs | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | So at the start of the cycle we know what feature we are going to target this cycle | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | we also know who will own that work | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | so depending on the amount of work we should put a internal deadline for spec, actual work, that we should expect to be merged | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | also we should volunteer particular reviewer to that work | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | we can keep rosmaita on standby | 14:50 |
| dansmith | I guess it seems to me like we don't have enough reviewers or review bandwidth to really separate duties | 14:50 |
| jokke | dansmith: ++ | 14:50 |
| dansmith | we've done things like that in nova in the past and it has been fine, but... there are a lot of people doing reviews over there | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | that is the case since 3/4 years for now | 14:51 |
| jokke | yeah, honestly I just need to block some time off for myself to keep focus on reviews | 14:51 |
| dansmith | yeah, I mean.. I like what you're saying, I just am not sure it will work well here because of the number of people | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | Why not give it a try? | 14:51 |
| jokke | I have way too many review tabs open, I've started and just got distracted by some ping and forgotten to get back to | 14:52 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: I'm all for trying anything, so I'm not trying to say no to anything :) | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | Next meeting we could decide work and volunteer and decide deadline | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | (sorry, got pulled away, just reading the scrollback now) | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I know you have parallel meeting, so no worries | 14:53 |
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| abhishekk | I think we should give it a try for 1/2 specs and lets see how it goes | 14:53 |
| jokke | abhishekk: I think Dan's point was we're 3 people and even with normal change 2 is needed for merge. Honestly, we just need all to be on ball to not rely rosmaita and smcginnis to find their time on Glance work | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | I would like to monitor work for quotas and cache for this | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | I am considering Steap for reviews as well | 14:54 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: so to be clear, | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | I would also request pranali to help us in glance revierws | 14:54 |
| dansmith | you're saying pick two cores per spec/effort and we merge when those two are happy instead of waiting for everyone? | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | Yes | 14:55 |
| dansmith | so, first off, I think waiting for everyone to be on board for everything is a problem, so +2 to that | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | also we will have reviews from Steap as well | 14:55 |
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| dansmith | however, (b) if some person is really slammed one cycle and their sign-off is needed to merge a thing, it's unfortunate to limit that thing because of its assignee | 14:55 |
| dansmith | but I'm definitely happy to see it drop to "two cores is enough for a spec" regardless of how we get that | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | In that case we will do what we have done in last cycle, either we request rosmaita to have look or we go ahead with vote of one core reviewer | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i can usually find time for a look when i am pinged | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | We need to do something to improve | 14:57 |
| dansmith | for sure | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | I can not sit ideal and let it go as it is | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | i think the policy for specs should be two +2s like for normal patches, with the option that the PTL can require more if he/she thinks it's necessary | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:58 |
| dansmith | I think the turnaround time and velocity is a big problem too, fwiw | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i pushed for the "everyone approve" model, but that's when i was dedicated to glance 100%, probably not practical any more | 14:58 |
| dansmith | checkpointing once per week (at the end of the week no less) ends up with a lot of "okay, but for sure by NEXT week" stuff | 14:59 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: ++ | 14:59 |
| jokke | Well it was the turnaround time with specs that initially got us here (at the time when we had plenty of contributors and cores) some specs got merged with that 2x+2 before majority had even time to look into them. Which we are obviously not struggling about anymore | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | That is where deadline comes into the picture | 14:59 |
| jokke | Just a little glimpse to history there | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | TIme is up | 15:00 |
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| abhishekk | lets switch to openstack glance | 15:00 |
| dansmith | abhishekk: +1 for more granular deadlines if that's what you mean | 15:00 |
| dansmith | I have to go to another meeting | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 27 15:00:45 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-27-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-27-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-27-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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