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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 6 14:00:14 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| jokke | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | lets wait couple of minutes for others | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | I guess we have majority now, dansmith and sean can join us any time now | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | lets start | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:02 |
| dansmith | sorry was waiting in the wrong channel | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | no worries | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | I have sent the Xena PTG summary on openstack-discuss ML and same is available on the blog as well | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-May/022240.html | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | I was late this time | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | Summary includes recap of what we discussed during PTG and the links to recordings as well | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | Lets move to next topic | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| abhishekk | Milestone 1 is 3 weeks away | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | jokke, I guess by next week we should start working on Cache-APi as we decided during the PTG | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | periodic jobs all green so far | 14:05 |
| * Steap thinks he has an old spec Cache API under review | 14:05 | |
| rosmaita | also, you pinged me yesterday about looking at something (which i did not do yet) ... do you remember what you wanted me to look at? | 14:05 |
| jokke | abhishekk: yeah, lets get it done. I'll try to spend few days looking through rajivmucheli's swift bugs, but I'm on it after | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | it was about the quota specs | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | jokke, cool, thank you | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, dansmith just pushed up the new revision | 14:06 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance-specs/+/788037 | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Lets move forward | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | #topic Multi-format images | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi-format images (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| abhishekk | dansmith, was not present during this discussion | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | to go ahead with it we need to understand the nova side regression if we decided to implement the same | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, if possible please let me know your convenient time before or after M1 release so that we can discuss this | 14:08 |
| dansmith | I have done no thinking about this since the last time we talked, FWIW | 14:08 |
| jokke | yeah, so dansmith my biggest concern here is is it even possible to get Nova consuming "same" image in mltiple formats. Say in one AZ you have ceph in use and the image is in raw an you want to migrate the instance to another where it would be in qcow. Is that ever even doable? | 14:08 |
| dansmith | but throw me something that fits on my calendar and I'm sure it'll be fine | 14:09 |
| dansmith | jokke: generally no migration across AZs unless you're an admin and can force it to break the rules | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | ack, we will decide this offline and let you know | 14:09 |
| jokke | Based on the PTG discussions Cinder is not a problem asthey don't use image as base anywhere and migrte just delta, but not sure how Nova handles for example migrtions and snapshots on that regard | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | #action abhishekk, jokke to decide date for multi-format discussion | 14:10 |
| dansmith | jokke: and definitely no *live* migration from one ceph-having compute to a non-ceph one.. cold migration maybe, but that's going to be a snap/reupload and not a rebase I think | 14:10 |
| jokke | dansmith: so at that point the snap would be flattened and no delta moved around there either? | 14:11 |
| dansmith | a snapshot in ceph will be a CoW, but I think if we're moving from one mechanism to the other (in the cases where that even works) we would flatten and upload to whatever that backend is, | 14:12 |
| dansmith | but tbh, I don't know if that even works | 14:12 |
| dansmith | there's also shelve/unshelve which does an *actual* snapshot in glance and re-download which is very sanitizing | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | jokke, could you please write down these points somewhere, so that we can investigate those | 14:12 |
| dansmith | but yeah, I'd have to research all the horrific nova code around this to even answer questions | 14:12 |
| jokke | yeah, I don't think currently at least but I was more concerned about general assumptionsin nova side and if it's even viable to lok at. Sounds like there's no hard requirements anyways in that regard. | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | I guess as decided we should have a separate discussion over this sometime around M1 release | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | dansmith, I will let you know 2-3 slots from which we could finalize the one | 14:14 |
| dansmith | okay | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | #topic Quotas in glance | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quotas in glance (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:15 | |
| jokke | mhm ... I think it makes sense to convene again and lay down the basic concept how we would parent-child track those images and see what usecases they would initially solve and any immediate red fags | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance-specs/+/788037 | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | jokke, ++ | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | So as promised in PTG dansmith has put a design/spec for implementing quota in glance | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | the plus side of this is we can turn it off if we don't want to use it | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | also there are no database related changes as we are using keystone limits for the same | 14:17 |
| dansmith | also code and tests showing how and that it works: https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22bp%252Fglance-unified-quotas%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | On the other hand we need to harden the documentation around it so that everyone knows how to use/configure the same | 14:17 |
| dansmith | yep, and I'm happy to do that once we're settled on this | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | I would like to other core reviewers to have a look at this proposal | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | ack | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | If we agree and get this done in early in the cycle then we have lots of time to restructure our policies | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | So please have a look at the spec and give your suggestions at the earliest | 14:18 |
| dansmith | yes, especially since it's mostly done (needs more tests), I'd love to get this merged and out of the way so we can focus on the policy stuff | 14:19 |
| dansmith | having two large series in flight at the same time will be a challenge | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | I am expecting this will be moving till our next meeting | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | #topic Bugs discussion in next meeting | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs discussion in next meeting (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
| abhishekk | So as discussed in the meeting we will start discussing our bug backlogs from next meeting | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | I will be coordinating with Steap for the same | 14:20 |
| Steap | \o/ | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | I can see Steap has added some more bugs to our tracker, thank you Steap | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/glance-bug-tracker | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | also jokke is working on analyzing some swift related issues, so we have already started on this | 14:21 |
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| abhishekk | and hopefully this cycle we will be able to reduce our bug backlog considerably | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | anything here to add, Steap ?? | 14:22 |
| Steap | nah, let's close a lot of bugs :) | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | #topic Open discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| abhishekk | I don't have anything today | 14:23 |
| dansmith | I do, | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | stage is yours | 14:23 |
| dansmith | I've got a set of stuff up for the policy refactor: https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22policy-poc%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 14:23 |
| dansmith | last patch in the series hits image update | 14:24 |
| dansmith | most of it is refactoring tests so they actually work with the default policy :/ | 14:24 |
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| abhishekk | ack | 14:24 |
| dansmith | definitely need some eyes from more experienced people on those refactors, especially property protections, to make sure they're legit | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | I didn't got much time to have a look at it, but I will try to spend some time early next week | 14:25 |
| dansmith | there are several refactors at the bottom of those that should be merge-able now, by the way | 14:25 |
| dansmith | so it would be great to get those landed so the series is smaller if possible | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | jokke, rosmaita please have a look if you have some free time | 14:25 |
| dansmith | the ones without WIP in the front should be obvious | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ack | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:25 |
| jokke | is that current default policies or what they are going to be? | 14:25 |
| dansmith | the functional tests all run with all policies set to "" | 14:26 |
| jokke | And do we just feed some testing blanket policy atm? | 14:26 |
| jokke | yeah, I thought that's the case | 14:26 |
| dansmith | these refactors make it so that in the last patch I can set the test policy to what our actual default is at runtime | 14:26 |
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| abhishekk | Ok, anything else | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | Would like to wrap this early so we can utilize this time in reviewing the spec | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | So our priorities for this week would be; | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | 1. Review Quotas specs | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | 2. Have a look at policy refcator patches. | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | great, thank you all for joining | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | Have a great weekend ahead | 14:30 |
| jokke | thanks, good to have you back abhishekk | 14:30 |
| dansmith | ++ | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | thank you :D | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 6 14:31:16 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-06-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-06-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2021/glance.2021-05-06-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 6 15:00:14 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/security-agendaagenda | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
| fungi | ohai | 15:02 |
| redrobot | 🙋 | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | #topic Topics from the PTG | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics from the PTG (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
| gagehugo | We had some good discussions at the PTG | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/security-sig-ptg-xena ptg agenda | 15:06 |
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| gagehugo | Mainly around updating the security wiki, updating our meeting schedule, barbican as a base service, starting a mailing list update about open issues after each meeting, trying to recruit more for the security sig | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | Did anyone have anything they wanted to follow up on regarding those topics? | 15:09 |
| fungi | i haven't put together a new open vulnerability report reminder list yet | 15:09 |
| fungi | there was a brief tangential discussion in this week's image encryption pop-up team meeting about barbican as a base service | 15:11 |
| fungi | mainly that we're looking for supporting use cases | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | I saw, thanks for the ping | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | For the reminder list, are we wanting to use the list from launchpad? | 15:12 |
| fungi | yeah, i was basically just going to send something like a did a couple months ago | 15:13 |
| fungi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bugs | 15:13 |
| fungi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bugs public reports of suspected vulnerabilities | 15:13 |
| fungi | thankfully the list is fairly short currently | 15:14 |
| fungi | but we'll see if we can make it even shorter | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | Ok | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | If I can get another keystone core to review a ps, that list should lose another one too lol | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | Would be nice to try to drum up support for the security sig as well | 15:19 |
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| fungi | yeah, we could maybe get the foundation's social media marketing folks to promote something if we were to decide what specific message we wanted to get out | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | I can work on a snippet for that | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | and we can discuss in openstack-security in the meantime | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | fungi redrobot: anything else for this meeting? That was all I had | 15:24 |
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| fungi | nah, and sorry if i'm slow to respond, this is one of three meetings i'm in at the moment | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | multitasking is the name of the game | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:26 |
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| gagehugo | thanks everyone, have a good rest of the week! | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 6 15:26:43 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2021/security.2021-05-06-15.00.html | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2021/security.2021-05-06-15.00.txt | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2021/security.2021-05-06-15.00.log.html | 15:26 |
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| fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:27 |
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