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| yasufum | hi, tacker team | 08:00 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Hi | 08:00 |
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| yasufum | hi | 08:01 |
| tsukasasa | Hello, I'm Tsukasa Inoue from NEC. I joined Takahashi-san@NEC's team. Nice to meet you. | 08:02 |
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| yasufum | hi | 08:02 |
| yoshito-ito | hi | 08:02 |
| yasufum | tsukasasa: welcome! | 08:02 |
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| yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 08:03:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:03 |
| Liang | hi | 08:03 |
| yasufum | do you have any topic today? | 08:04 |
| takahashi-tsc | I have 1 topic about heat-tranlator and tosca-parser. | 08:04 |
| yasufum | I have checking our ether pad. | 08:05 |
| yasufum | 10th item? | 08:05 |
| yasufum | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tacker-meeting | 08:05 |
| takahashi-tsc | Yes, sorry i forget to write item in section 0. | 08:05 |
| yasufum | no problem! | 08:05 |
| yasufum | Is there no update in 9th item, right? | 08:06 |
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| takahashi-tsc | no update... POST_FAILURE occurred again but there is no progress now. | 08:07 |
| yasufum | OK. I and VA linux have been working for fixing the issue, reducing log messages and so on. | 08:09 |
| yasufum | I will share my update in the next meeting, or later possibly. | 08:09 |
| yasufum | I have no topic for today, so please go ahead your topic, takahashi-san. | 08:10 |
| takahashi-tsc | Sure | 08:10 |
| takahashi-tsc | Please see etherpad L522- | 08:11 |
| yasufum | #topic heat-translator-and-tosca-parser | 08:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat-translator-and-tosca-parser (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:11 | |
| takahashi-tsc | I think tacker development need to update heat-translator and tosca-parser, but recent patches is not merged. | 08:12 |
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| takahashi-tsc | So i'd like to propose something to proceed with such community activities. I want to send email to openstack-discuss. | 08:14 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Discussion point is... 1. Is such propose needed? 2. If needed, is it OK that I say that tacker member becomes heat-translator/tosca-parser's reviewers? | 08:15 |
| takahashi-tsc | In addtion, I want to propose that Tacker core team becomes heat-translator/tosca-parser core team, if possible. | 08:16 |
| takahashi-tsc | L529 is another option(Move heat-translator/tosca-parser repository under Tacker if only Tacker use them.) But I think it is difficult... | 08:17 |
| yasufum | Yes, I have already joined for reviewing and positive to become a core. | 08:18 |
| yoshito-ito | Thank you, takahashi-san. I agree with your two proposals. I really appreciate if heat-translator/tosca-parser become more active because they are always the bottleneck of the patches related to my specs. | 08:19 |
| takahashi-tsc | If OK, I send email to openstack-discuss. I think this is discussion across projects, so [tc] tag is needed. [tc][heat][tacker] | 08:21 |
| yoshito-ito | +1 | 08:21 |
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| takahashi-tsc | are there any objections? If no, I'd like to show 1 more discussion point(L530-) | 08:26 |
| yasufum | seems nothing | 08:26 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, I think we need to discuss how to develop with heat-translator/tosca-parser. I think we cannot conclude because it depends on above discussion. But I want to start discussion. | 08:27 |
| takahashi-tsc | Issue is current tacker's FT use pip package of heat-translator/tosca-parser. i.e. even if the patch is merged to master them, Tacker FT does not use updated code. | 08:28 |
| takahashi-tsc | I want team's opinions. Do we need to make script to install master for FT? | 08:30 |
| takahashi-tsc | install master of heat-translator/tosca-parser. | 08:30 |
| yasufum | We can install pip packages localy from source, and I think it is doable on zuul env as a remedy. | 08:31 |
| yasufum | Until required updates are merged in the pip package | 08:32 |
| yasufum | Your ‘make a script’ means that you add installation script in our devstack script, right? | 08:33 |
| takahashi-tsc | devstack or zuul setup playbook. | 08:34 |
| takahashi-tsc | Of course, this is just example. Is there any other way? I'm not sure... | 08:35 |
| takahashi-tsc | Before that, we should decide that FT should use pip package or master code. | 08:35 |
| takahashi-tsc | I wrote pros/cons of using master code in etherpad L534. | 08:37 |
| yoshito-ito | IMO, it's better to use master code because our patches often depend on the new patch in heat-translator/tosca-parser. I don't want to wait till the new codes are introduced to pip repo. | 08:38 |
| yoshito-ito | I'm not sure how much risky to use master codes other than pip. | 08:39 |
| yoshito-ito | For me, it seems enough to simply change the Zuul or devstack to use master codes without any new FTs. | 08:40 |
| yasufum | I think it is not so different between using master or pip repo. | 08:41 |
| takahashi-tsc | My biggest concern is L538, "We may release the code which is not available due to not updating heat-translator/tosca-parser pip package." | 08:42 |
| takahashi-tsc | I think it will happen very rarely, but it may happen. | 08:43 |
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| yasufum | We can customize the installation to use master repo while running pip installation. | 08:45 |
| yasufum | So, I think it might not so serious issue actually. | 08:47 |
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| takahashi-tsc | Yes, I think there are not so serious issues. But I think we should decide our strategy and show to developers and users both | 08:49 |
| yasufum | It should not be so long term issue, right? | 08:50 |
| takahashi-tsc | I think so. | 08:51 |
| yasufum | So, we do not need to care users, but only developers. | 08:51 |
| yasufum | In my opinion, it just enough to update devstack installation. | 08:51 |
| yasufum | for testing on devstack by developers, and passing CI on zuul. | 08:52 |
| takahashi-tsc | OK, understood. | 08:53 |
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| yasufum | We also need to have a discussion with teams, tosca-parser and heat-translator, for getting control for merging our patches in parallel. | 08:54 |
| yasufum | Thanks takahashi-san for leading the discussion. | 08:54 |
| takahashi-tsc | Agree, thanks. | 08:55 |
| takahashi-tsc | That's all from me. | 08:56 |
| yasufum | Thanks. Please continue to discussion for details, especially for plans how to make agreement with them. | 08:58 |
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| yasufum | It is almost the end of time, but do yo have other topic, everyone? | 08:59 |
| yoshito-ito | Let me ask you to review my updated specs: | 08:59 |
| yoshito-ito | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tacker-specs/+/759601 | 08:59 |
| yoshito-ito | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tacker-specs/+/759642 | 08:59 |
| yoshito-ito | Also, my other specs are ready to review. Thanks. | 09:00 |
| yoshito-ito | That's all from me. | 09:01 |
| yasufum | Thank you for your mention. | 09:01 |
| yasufum | We have some more specs ready to be reviewed which proposed while vPTG. | 09:03 |
| yasufum | Please join for the review. Thanks | 09:03 |
| yasufum | I would like to close this meeting. Thank you for joining. | 09:04 |
| yasufum | bye | 09:04 |
| takahashi-tsc | Thanks. bye. | 09:04 |
| yoshito-ito | bye | 09:04 |
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| yasufum | #endmeeting tacker | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 09:04:48 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-11-24-08.03.html | 09:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-11-24-08.03.txt | 09:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-11-24-08.03.log.html | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 21:00:16 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | ahoy | 21:00 |
| oneswig | happy thanksgiving :-) | 21:00 |
| oneswig | The turkey is indeed a powerful force | 21:02 |
| trandles | hi oneswig | 21:12 |
| trandles | unfortunately super busy today :( | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Man, aren't we all. I'm upgrading Ceph in the other window, how about you? | 21:13 |
| trandles | just did an RDO install of Usurri on a testbed...going to do a test OpenShift-on-OpenStack install for a work project | 21:13 |
| trandles | sorry I have to run now, just wanted to pop in and say "hi" | 21:14 |
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| oneswig | Ah, so many questions... | 21:14 |
| oneswig | cheerio trandles | 21:14 |
| b1airo | morning | 21:14 |
| trandles | yeah, me too...maybe I'll have some answers in a couple weeks | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Hey b1airo, morning. | 21:14 |
| trandles | hi/bye b1airo | 21:14 |
| b1airo | irccloud gave me some trouble connecting this morning | 21:14 |
| b1airo | hio/bye trandles ! | 21:14 |
| b1airo | congrats on your confirmed president elect ;-) | 21:15 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Seems our usual cohort of Americans are full of turkey :-) | 21:15 |
| b1airo | ah yes, that time of year | 21:16 |
| oneswig | How's summer coming on? | 21:17 |
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| b1airo | shit right now :-) | 21:17 |
| b1airo | but we've been in the pool already | 21:17 |
| oneswig | That's the spirit | 21:18 |
| b1airo | got a camper (pop-top) holiday sorted for end of year, so fingers crossed we get a settled couple of weeks | 21:19 |
| oneswig | Where will you go? | 21:19 |
| b1airo | so what were the big news items out of the Summit and SC? i've been finding it very hard to get much involved in virtual conferences (except where I've been running/presenting something) so feel like most of it has passed me by | 21:20 |
| b1airo | heading up top of south island into the golden bay area and then over onto the top of the west coast there | 21:20 |
| oneswig | I got the free-tier ticket for SC but didn't actually use it. | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Nelson? Abel Tasman? I remember it well(ish) | 21:21 |
| oneswig | I've had a fair bit going on over here so haven't been back through the Open Infra Summit talks. | 21:22 |
| oneswig | The big thing for us at SC was getting the Ironic system in at #99 in the TOP500 | 21:22 |
| b1airo | yeah, i need to queue up my youtube backlog too | 21:23 |
| oneswig | 0.001 PF more than #100... | 21:23 |
| b1airo | Julia must have been pretty happy to hear about that | 21:23 |
| oneswig | I hope so. | 21:24 |
| oneswig | You travelling much internally still? | 21:24 |
| b1airo | no quite static at the moment. probably one, maybe two trips, before the year is out - but think i'm only at 4 or 5 for the year. one of those was only a day in and auckland went back into lock-down so i high-tailed it out of there | 21:26 |
| b1airo | will depend how Bel's concussion going too :-/ | 21:26 |
| oneswig | It's all over Bristol right now. | 21:26 |
| oneswig | How's she doing? | 21:26 |
| b1airo | feel like you're taking a gamble every time you go to the shops? must be stressful | 21:28 |
| b1airo | she's pretty good considering she probably hit her head on a "sleeper" (ha!) from 2-3m drop and had temporary dysphasia | 21:29 |
| oneswig | Not too much. The kids both go to school and my wife works in the local uni. Infection rates locally are high (~500 per 100k people) but even so it's not that bad. | 21:29 |
| oneswig | 2-3m drop? Ouch. Bet that gave her a good bump. | 21:30 |
| b1airo | is that confirmed infections or based on modelling accounting for asymptomatic cases? | 21:30 |
| oneswig | I think it's positive tests, so underestimating true prevalence rates. | 21:31 |
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| oneswig | Everyone's locked down right now so things are settling again. | 21:32 |
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| b1airo | left field question... have you ever used NVIDIA MPS ? | 21:34 |
| oneswig | MPS? Not heard of it. | 21:34 |
| oneswig | I'm not a user of GPUs, particularly | 21:35 |
| oneswig | More a plumber. | 21:35 |
| b1airo | ha | 21:36 |
| b1airo | we've got a few (8) A100s on the way and i'm thinking about how we can maximise utilisation across them | 21:37 |
| oneswig | They aren't all in one box are they? | 21:37 |
| b1airo | GPU underutilisation seems to be incredibly common but no one ever talks about it... | 21:38 |
| b1airo | no, going to be 2 per node (with NVbridge across them) | 21:38 |
| b1airo | we'll go denser once/if we see sustained demand for that | 21:40 |
| oneswig | It's a challenge I'm sure to make the most of an exotic resource. | 21:40 |
| oneswig | b1airo: ever converted a Ceph deployment from non-containerised to containerised? We've used the ceph-ansible playbook for this previously. I'll be watching it very closely though. | 21:42 |
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| b1airo | well that's the thing though, they're not that exotic anymore, insofar as there are plenty of GPU accelerated codes out there. but the obvious issue is that not many of those codes use GPU at a sustained rate | 21:42 |
| oneswig | right, I see. | 21:43 |
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| b1airo | no, though it doesn't sound fun. presumably the main challenge is making sure you don't have to redeploy the OSDs and replicate data across a 3 month upgrade window | 21:44 |
| oneswig | You want applications that yield the GPU when they aren't using it. That may be a long shot | 21:44 |
| b1airo | that's one of the things that MPS does - cooperative GPU sharing for CUDA workloads | 21:44 |
| oneswig | Thankfully the cluster is smallish and fast | 21:44 |
| b1airo | ah right, so you are blowing away the extra OSD data? | 21:45 |
| oneswig | Upgrade Ceph, containerise, and redeploy with CentOS 8. In that order. | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | It's quite a test plan | 21:47 |
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| b1airo | hmm yeah, i guess the theory is that everything will be much easier once it is containerised... | 21:49 |
| oneswig | I am not certain about how much easier it will be. The hardest bit will be the CentOS reinstall. | 21:50 |
| b1airo | the thing we always forget when getting excited about software defined infrastructure - software sucks! :-) | 21:51 |
| oneswig | always a bit too clever for its own good | 21:51 |
| b1airo | ok, i'm going to run and see if i can make sure we're sorted this end for our Friday morning session | 21:52 |
| oneswig | sounds good. Until then b1airo | 21:52 |
| b1airo | cheers | 21:53 |
| oneswig | cheers! | 21:53 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 21:53:16 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-11-24-21.00.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-11-24-21.00.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-11-24-21.00.log.html | 21:53 |
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| trandles | b1airo: thx RE: president. I'm looking forward to the day I can go a week without turning on the news and cringing. | 22:13 |
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