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timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 21:00:25 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
acoles | o/ | 21:00 |
kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
seongsoocho | o/ | 21:00 |
clayg | 🥳 | 21:00 |
rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
timburke | first order of business | 21:01 |
timburke | #topic acoles is back! | 21:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "acoles is back! (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
timburke | 🎉 | 21:02 |
acoles | hi everyone, it's nice to be here again | 21:02 |
kota_ | amazing | 21:02 |
timburke | if there are no objections, i'd like to give him commit rights again | 21:03 |
rledisez | timburke: +2 | 21:03 |
clayg | i didn't realize we'd retired him | 21:04 |
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timburke | excellent -- 'cause i jumped the gun a little and already did it :-) | 21:05 |
timburke | i figure, we can use all the help we can get -- thanks for coming back acoles, and so glad to have you back! | 21:06 |
timburke | #topic ptg | 21:06 |
*** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:06 | |
timburke | and he has good timing, as we've got the PTG next week! | 21:06 |
kota_ | yey | 21:06 |
timburke | topics continue to gathre on the etherpad | 21:07 |
timburke | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/swift-ptg-wallaby | 21:07 |
seongsoocho | \o/ | 21:07 |
timburke | ...and i should be sure to set aside sometime for some ops feedback and community feedback | 21:07 |
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clayg | excellent | 21:09 |
timburke | i don't really have much of a plan for next week, but as long as we're all together, thinking and chatting about swift, i know good things will come outof it :-) | 21:09 |
timburke | i'll try to order items by level of interest again, probably on friday -- so put yourself down for topics that you care about! it'll give us a good way to prioritize conversations | 21:10 |
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timburke | and since we'll have the PTG together, i figure no irc meeting is necessary next week | 21:11 |
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acoles | timburke: how does it work - is all discussion over irc? | 21:11 |
mattoliverau | nah all zoom or whatever | 21:12 |
timburke | video chats over zoom | 21:12 |
acoles | ah ok | 21:12 |
clayg | it was not too bad! not as good as whiteboard 😞 | 21:12 |
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timburke | though we can also use jitsi via https://meetpad.opendev.org/swift-ptg-wallaby | 21:13 |
mattoliverau | We probably still need to figure out how to white board things | 21:13 |
seongsoocho | clayg: maybe you can use jamboard as a white board https://jamboard.google.com/ | 21:13 |
clayg | worth a shot!!! 💪 | 21:14 |
timburke | fingers crossed that in another six months, things have quieted down enough that we can actually all be in the same physical room again | 21:14 |
mattoliverau | Nice | 21:14 |
clayg | timburke: that would be GREAT - miss everyone 😢 | 21:14 |
timburke | i've got just one more "announcement"-type item | 21:15 |
timburke | #topic review.openstack.org security incident | 21:15 |
*** openstack changes topic to "review.openstack.org security incident (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:15 | |
timburke | you all may have noticed that gerrit was down yesterday | 21:15 |
* acoles not my fault | 21:15 | |
timburke | there's a nice write-up of what happened at | 21:16 |
timburke | #link http://lists.opendev.org/pipermail/service-announce/2020-October/000011.html | 21:16 |
mattoliverau | Lol, acoles comes back and then.. hmm | 21:16 |
kota_ | lol | 21:16 |
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clayg | it wasn't so bad - just a bummer day | 21:17 |
timburke | i want to applaud the infra team's transparency and quick response; considering the scope of what needed to be checked, losing a day seems remarkably fast | 21:17 |
mattoliverau | +100 | 21:17 |
timburke | one of the action items was that "We should audit all changes for projects since 2020-10-01." | 21:18 |
timburke | they already compiled the commits for us at | 21:18 |
timburke | #link https://static.opendev.org/project/opendev.org/gerrit-diffs/ | 21:18 |
timburke | and i've already confirmed swift, python-swiftclient, and liberasurecode commits look correct and expected | 21:19 |
mattoliverau | Nice work, thanks timburke | 21:19 |
timburke | (pyeclib and swift-bench didn't even have enough activity to show up) | 21:20 |
timburke | are there other projects that i'm forgetting about that i should check? | 21:20 |
timburke | if anyone has other projects that they have a vested interest in, that's where you can go for first-hand data; expect most temas to put out statements on the mailing list as well (i certainly intend to, probably shortly after this meeting) | 21:22 |
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timburke | all right, on to updates! | 21:23 |
timburke | #topic updates | 21:24 |
*** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:24 | |
timburke | we've got two patches that i think mostly just need reviews | 21:24 |
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timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706653/ | 21:24 |
patchbot | patch 706653 - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object au... - 37 patch sets | 21:24 |
timburke | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/754242/ | 21:24 |
patchbot | patch 754242 - swift - Fix a race condition in case of cross-replication - 6 patch sets | 21:24 |
timburke | i'd meant to look at both and wound up looking at neither :-( | 21:24 |
timburke | does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss about them? or is it mostly a matter of us finding time to review them? | 21:25 |
timburke | i know zaitcev put a +2 on the replication patch -- thanks! | 21:26 |
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zaitcev | I'm worried that I missed some kind of deadlock there, but I cannot find any. I looked at all instances where lock_path is invoked for various paths. | 21:26 |
zaitcev | So, what the heck, seems okay. +2 | 21:27 |
zaitcev | I owed Romain for looking at Dark Data | 21:27 |
acoles | did patch 706653 have a predecessor - it rings a bell, and I see torgomatic is an author | 21:27 |
patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/706653/ - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object au... - 37 patch sets | 21:27 |
zaitcev | Yes. | 21:27 |
zaitcev | patch 212824 | 21:28 |
patchbot | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/212824/ - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit - 21 patch sets | 21:28 |
zaitcev | See, this is "alternative" | 21:28 |
zaitcev | acoles: I worked on Sam | 21:28 |
acoles | @zaitcev thanks | 21:29 |
zaitcev | 's patch first, but ended with a trouble trying to debug things, so I threw my toys down and forked it. | 21:29 |
timburke | the main change (zaitcev, correct me if i'm wrong) was that sam's patch had a much more adversarial attitude towards the watchers, and so enforced process isolation | 21:30 |
zaitcev | I created a logger for Sam's patch that actually worked, before the fork. | 21:30 |
timburke | where this patch runs it all in the same process -- and if a watcher breaks the audit, you need to fix itor drop it | 21:30 |
zaitcev | To an extent, we still isolate, as much as Python allows. But a plugin can run out of file descriptors, for example. | 21:31 |
acoles | ok, so IIRC Sam's used a queue so watchers got notifications on 'best-effort' basis. Is this more guaranteed to notify watchers? | 21:32 |
zaitcev | This is just a method call, no queue. | 21:33 |
timburke | ...or call os._exit(0), or os.kill(os.getpid(), signal.SIGKILL), or time.sleep(1<<30)... | 21:35 |
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zaitcev | So, anyway. | 21:37 |
zaitcev | If Alistair finds a moment to look, it would be good. But for the extra lock for replicators too. | 21:38 |
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timburke | sounds like we mainly need to get some reviews on them. i'll get the replicator guy squared away -- i've probably been overthinking my dev setup, and promise to leave *some* sort of review by the end of the week | 21:39 |
acoles | I'll try but can't promise | 21:40 |
timburke | zaitcev, do you know if david is planning to be at the ptg? i remember seeing audit watchers on the agenda | 21:40 |
clayg | noice | 21:40 |
timburke | do we think that'll mostly be a session to discuss and land it? | 21:40 |
zaitcev | timburke: he was interested in it, but I don't know if he can do it. | 21:41 |
timburke | no worries; just figured i'd check | 21:42 |
timburke | all right | 21:42 |
timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:42 |
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timburke | what else should we bring up this week? | 21:42 |
acoles | is there any kind of sign up for ptg or just show up? | 21:43 |
timburke | acoles, https://october2020ptg.eventbrite.com/ | 21:43 |
acoles | thanks | 21:43 |
timburke | though i'm sure you could also just show up and we'd make itwork ;-) | 21:43 |
acoles | i want my t shirt | 21:43 |
kota_ | lol | 21:44 |
timburke | ...who wants to tell him? | 21:44 |
zaitcev | lol | 21:44 |
acoles | awww | 21:44 |
timburke | 🤔 i *should* talk to notmyname, investigate doing a small run of shirts... | 21:45 |
clayg | 😬 cutting it close now | 21:45 |
timburke | also, i wonderif we've still got some swiftstack shirts stashed somewhere -- collector's items, now! | 21:45 |
mattoliverau | Yeah, even if it's in red bubble or something so we pay for our own shirts, just need the design. | 21:45 |
clayg | hahah | 21:45 |
timburke | clayg, oh, almost certainly for a future event | 21:45 |
clayg | oic | 21:46 |
kota_ | zoom list windows showing guys who wear same shirts should look great on the virtual event, so +1 | 21:47 |
acoles | i think I have a pile of those hpe iron on badges somewhere... | 21:47 |
zaitcev | I have my yellow-orange "Swift Justice" shirt. | 21:48 |
kota_ | Justice! | 21:48 |
timburke | i wore mine for acoles's first day back | 21:48 |
timburke | oh! one other patch i'd like to call attention to -- https://review.opendev.org/#/c/758636/ | 21:49 |
patchbot | patch 758636 - swift - Add option to REPLICATE to just invalidate hashes - 2 patch sets | 21:49 |
timburke | i've got this memory of talking about doing something like that as a *pre*-sync check, to try to feel out when there might be a newly-assigned primary | 21:50 |
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zaitcev | Curious. Does that help performance any, or what does it do? | 21:53 |
timburke | still needs tests (and some fixups, looks like), but i wanted to have people start thinking about how we could make replication smarter if we had a cheap way to check remote suffix counts | 21:53 |
timburke | so the idea specific to that patch is that when you're moving data as part of a rebalance (and so, suffixes are probably fairly dense, say 3k or so), the sender doesn't really need to wait for the rehash to clean up data; it just needs to make sure everybody got invalidated | 21:55 |
timburke | but *in the future* i've got this thought like we could get rid of handoffs-first and instead have partition sync jobs in a priority queue of sorts, weighted by some combination of how many suffixes are in the partition (if it's a handoff) and when it was last successfully synced | 21:57 |
clayg | timburke: nice! | 21:59 |
clayg | skipping the re-hash IO on the post-rsync invalidate step seems like a quite reasonable enhancement to me | 21:59 |
timburke | all right, we're about at time. oughta let kota_ and mattoliverau start their day, and acoles end his :-) | 22:00 |
timburke | thank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift! | 22:01 |
mattoliverau | Kk, so great to have you back acoles | 22:01 |
timburke | acoles, again, greatto have you back! | 22:01 |
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timburke | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:01 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 22:01:22 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-21-21.00.html | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-21-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2020/swift.2020-10-21-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
clayg | ☕ & 🍷 | 22:01 |
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