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yoshito-ito | hi | 08:02 |
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manpreet | hi | 08:02 |
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masazumi-ota | hi | 08:02 |
yasufum | hi tacker team | 08:02 |
takahashi-tsc | hi | 08:02 |
Liang | hi | 08:03 |
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yasufum | #startmeeting tacker | 08:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 08:03:23 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yasufum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
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yasufum | Is there any topic for the meeting today? | 08:04 |
takahashi-tsc | I have topics about my 2 Spec status and TST meeting. | 08:04 |
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yasufum | I have two topics, but priority is not so high. So, please start from takahashi-tsc. | 08:06 |
yasufum | #topic etsi-nfv-tst | 08:06 |
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takahashi-tsc | Sure, as I said last meeting, I'd like to request input parameter coverage of test code to TST members. | 08:07 |
takahashi-tsc | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tacker-meeting | 08:07 |
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takahashi-tsc | See L252- | 08:08 |
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takahashi-tsc | My request is test all patterns which is clearly specified in SOL docs like L253-264. | 08:08 |
takahashi-tsc | If definition is not clear, we should propose how to define all test. My proposal is we do 2 tests, testing with input which include all attributes is set, and testing input which is only include minimum necessary attributes. | 08:10 |
takahashi-tsc | L256-271 | 08:11 |
takahashi-tsc | So I'd like to know tacker members' comment about it. | 08:11 |
takahashi-tsc | Ah... I forget to write URL of SOL003 and SOL013. I write it. | 08:13 |
yoshito-ito | Let me confirm what the main topic is | 08:14 |
yoshito-ito | As shown from L106, we have the request to show a clear coverage of TST | 08:14 |
yoshito-ito | and we have three main check points; Response code, HTTP response header, and Input parameter | 08:15 |
takahashi-tsc | Right. | 08:16 |
yoshito-ito | We are discussing how the "Input parameter" should be defined in tests | 08:16 |
takahashi-tsc | Yes, right. | 08:16 |
yoshito-ito | Then, takahashi-tsc is proposing "testing with input which include all attributes is set, and testing input which is only include minimum necessary attributes" | 08:16 |
yoshito-ito | right? | 08:16 |
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takahashi-tsc | Yes, but this is just *my* proposal, all combination pattern may be large size and I do not know it is meaningful. | 08:17 |
takahashi-tsc | So I'd like to know comment about it. | 08:17 |
yoshito-ito | Exactly, I agree to have a clear approach to define it not to have too many conbinations. | 08:18 |
yoshito-ito | I agree with takahashi-tsc's idea. That can be the minimum set to test. | 08:18 |
takahashi-tsc | Are there any comment? or if you have some comments, please write in etherpad | 08:21 |
takahashi-tsc | Comment by end of this week can be included in TST meeting proposal. | 08:22 |
yasufum | Your proposal means, in other word, define mandatory and optional clearly, right? | 08:22 |
yasufum | about input params | 08:22 |
yasufum | not params, but attributes | 08:23 |
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takahashi-tsc | Yes, in addition, I want to clarify mandatory and optional attributes in test codes. | 08:24 |
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yasufum | I understand. | 08:25 |
yasufum | What do you think to update our test code in addition to propose it to TST if neccesary? | 08:25 |
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yasufum | Is it not required currently? | 08:26 |
takahashi-tsc | Do you mean update for Tacker teams? i.e. How to manage our internal test code update? | 08:27 |
yasufum | Yes. I think current tacker’s test codes are not perfect, and required some updates from your point of view of the suggestion. | 08:29 |
yasufum | possibly, I mean. | 08:29 |
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takahashi-tsc | Understood, I think we need some update. But such update should be defined clearly. 1 example is "test list" in my Robot Framework sepc, which select only test for Tacker support API. | 08:31 |
takahashi-tsc | I'd like to continue to discuss it. We make clear documentation about how to use TST code, including update. | 08:32 |
yasufum | OK, thanks | 08:32 |
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yasufum | Is there any comment, or can we go to the next topic? | 08:34 |
takahashi-tsc | Can I go next topic? it is just about spec status. | 08:36 |
hyunsikyang | Hi I am late. I had a seminar today. | 08:36 |
yasufum | hi | 08:36 |
yoshito-ito | hi | 08:36 |
yasufum | #topic spec-status | 08:36 |
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yasufum | takahashi-tsc: please share your status about specs | 08:37 |
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takahashi-tsc | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/740896/ | 08:37 |
takahashi-tsc | Spec about customize LCM workflow is completed, I'm glad if you review it. | 08:37 |
takahashi-tsc | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732367/ | 08:38 |
takahashi-tsc | Thank you for comment about Robot Framework use spec. | 08:38 |
takahashi-tsc | yoshito-ito Sorry but I want to confirm. Last comment means that you think spec is needed to be updated? | 08:39 |
yasufum | I did not find the first one. I would like to check it. | 08:40 |
yoshito-ito | I will. | 08:41 |
yasufum | It seems enough for this topic, so go to the next topic. | 08:43 |
yasufum | #topic tacker-studio | 08:43 |
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yasufum | I have started review remained patches. This is one of them. | 08:45 |
yasufum | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/547018/ | 08:45 |
yoshito-ito | takahashi-tsc: I'll update my comment on the patch | 08:45 |
yoshito-ito | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/732367/ | 08:45 |
yoshito-ito | sorry pls move to the next topic | 08:46 |
yasufum | OK. no problem. | 08:46 |
takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 08:46 |
hyunsikyang | I will review it to:) | 08:47 |
hyunsikyang | too. | 08:47 |
yasufum | I understand that dharmendra agreed to merge it, but there is no update because Trinh seems left from tacker dev. | 08:47 |
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hyunsikyang | yes. right | 08:48 |
yasufum | As current status, we have no one has responsibility for that. | 08:48 |
hyunsikyang | no one handle that thing. | 08:48 |
hyunsikyang | right.. | 08:48 |
hyunsikyang | he left. | 08:48 |
yasufum | I have wondered that we should continue to develop this feature, or drop it. | 08:48 |
hyunsikyang | if no one want to handle it, we should remove it. | 08:49 |
hyunsikyang | Let's check it it necessary or not. | 08:49 |
yoshito-ito | +1 | 08:49 |
hyunsikyang | Let's discuss it next week and vote it. | 08:49 |
hyunsikyang | :) | 08:50 |
takahashi-tsc | Sure. | 08:50 |
yasufum | Thanks. I think it is wounderful if this feature is implemented in tacker. | 08:50 |
yasufum | Please continue to discuss. | 08:51 |
yasufum | I have one more topic about doc update. | 08:51 |
yasufum | # topic doc-update | 08:51 |
yasufum | #topic doc-update | 08:51 |
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hyunsikyang | thanks yasfum:) | 08:51 |
yasufum | As we agreed in the previous PTG, I have started to revise docs. | 08:52 |
hyunsikyang | good:D | 08:53 |
yasufum | And I find that our doc is described based on Ubuntu, but not care about redhat distro, such as fedora or centos. | 08:53 |
yasufum | So I think we need to support them. | 08:54 |
yasufum | But I am not sure how we start to do. | 08:54 |
yasufum | Do you have any comment? | 08:54 |
takahashi-tsc | support means both "Tacker can run on redhat distro" and "docs show how to run Tacker on redhat distro"? | 08:55 |
takahashi-tsc | And is there any issues about ”Tacker can run...”? | 08:56 |
yasufum | yes. I mean the lackness of manuals for installation and how to use | 08:56 |
yasufum | and so one | 08:56 |
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yoshito-ito | I think we can update or add new installation guide for redhat distro | 08:57 |
yoshito-ito | or do we have any other docs to be updated? | 08:57 |
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yasufum | I think covering installation and configuration is enogh basically. | 08:58 |
yasufum | Usage is almost the same among them. | 08:59 |
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yasufum | Do you anyone raise a hand for the task kindly? | 09:01 |
yasufum | Or I would like to register it to blueprint as a next TODO, now… | 09:01 |
yoshito-ito | Will it be a task till V release? | 09:03 |
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yasufum | I am not sure, but sooner is better. | 09:03 |
yasufum | Oops, it is the end of the time. Please continue to discuss in the next meeting. thanks. | 09:03 |
manpreet | I have few general queries, first would like to know whether we backport documentation bugs in tacker, as I could see Bug #1887151 persist in Ussuri release docs. | 09:03 |
openstack | bug 1887151 in tacker "Incorrect document link in Tacker Manual Installation " [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887151 - Assigned to Manpreet Kaur (manpreetk) | 09:03 |
manpreet | Second in the current release could we fix documentation bug detected in the older release? | 09:04 |
manpreet | Please comment.. | 09:04 |
yasufum | manpreet: Thanks for your suggestions. I understand these problems, and would like to go forward. | 09:05 |
yasufum | I would like to make it clear how we do backporting. | 09:06 |
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yasufum | Could we continue to discuss for making an agreement in the next meeting, or tacker IRC? | 09:07 |
manpreet | Thank you, yes we could discuss in next meeting. | 09:09 |
manpreet | Last I would like to share my interest in networking-sfc on going participation. | 09:09 |
manpreet | Thank you thats all from my side. | 09:10 |
yasufum | Thanks | 09:10 |
yasufum | Thank you for joining, bye | 09:12 |
takahashi-tsc | Thanks | 09:12 |
yoshito-ito | thank you. bye | 09:12 |
yasufum | #endmeeting tacker | 09:12 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 09:12:33 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:12 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-07-21-08.03.html | 09:12 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2020/tacker.2020-07-21-08.03.txt | 09:12 |
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ricolin | #startmeeting multi_arch | 15:07 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 15:07:34 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:07 |
ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:07 |
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ricolin | o/ :) | 15:07 |
ricolin | There's no much progress recently, just please help on actions in https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Multi-arch-2020-VPTG | 15:14 |
ricolin | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Multi-arch-2020-VPTG | 15:14 |
ricolin | We still need to manage to have those things done:) | 15:14 |
ricolin | I will send out ML for meeting next time as reminder to all(mostly for me:) ) | 15:15 |
ricolin | #action please help with actions on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/Multi-arch-2020-VPTG | 15:15 |
ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 15:16:18 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-07-21-15.07.html | 15:16 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-07-21-15.07.txt | 15:16 |
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LuckyClover | Anyone have any ideas about the cluster failing to create when you check off registry | 15:41 |
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oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 21:00:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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oneswig | Greetings | 21:00 |
jmlowe | Hello | 21:01 |
oneswig | I don't think there is a formal agenda set for today, any items to suggest? | 21:01 |
oneswig | Hi jmlowe, good afternoon. | 21:01 |
rbudden | hello | 21:01 |
jmlowe | Bob! | 21:01 |
oneswig | Over here we've been watching 'stranger things' - lots of Indiana-themed action. | 21:01 |
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oneswig | Hi rbudden | 21:01 |
jmlowe | Due to tax credits, filmed in Georga | 21:01 |
martial | ? :) | 21:02 |
jmlowe | Doesn't have quite the same look | 21:02 |
trandles | Hi all | 21:02 |
oneswig | hi trandles martial | 21:02 |
trandles | I have an agenda item oneswig | 21:02 |
oneswig | #chair martial | 21:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:02 |
jmlowe | They did get lots of other things just like I remember them | 21:02 |
oneswig | trandles: go for it | 21:02 |
trandles | It's a quick one, and amusing | 21:02 |
trandles | If anyone remembers the Slurm plugins I wrote and spoke about in Austin and Barcelona, you'll know that I submitted paperwork to the lab to get the open sourced. | 21:03 |
trandles | I haven't heard anything since October 2017 | 21:03 |
oneswig | I remember! | 21:03 |
trandles | Even when I asked for status updates, I got nothing back. | 21:03 |
jmlowe | You accidentally ripped a hole with some classified high energy experiments and allowed the Gorgon in? | 21:03 |
trandles | Well, today someone contacted me. | 21:03 |
trandles | It looks like I'll be able to release that code after all | 21:03 |
jmlowe | That's less likely than releasing the Gorgon | 21:03 |
oneswig | Man, that's awesome. I'm going to downgrade to 2017 OpenStack specially | 21:04 |
trandles | I haven't looked at it since it seemed that it would never be approved to see the light of day. | 21:04 |
trandles | So I'll get it working with Slurm 20 and the current OpenStack API and get it released ASAP | 21:04 |
oneswig | ... won't that require another approval? :-) | 21:04 |
trandles | nope | 21:05 |
jmlowe | I would imagine it's covered by the open source license | 21:05 |
oneswig | trandles: can you remind us what the plugins did, and how? | 21:05 |
trandles | I wrote the request in a very open ended fashion as "Open source contributions to Slurm" | 21:05 |
jmlowe | must now release every change | 21:05 |
oneswig | back in a sec, kids are up | 21:06 |
trandles | Two sets of functionality: 1) slurm grabs images from glance and deposits the on the nodes in a job allocation and 2) dynamic VLAN manipulation via Neutron controlled by slurm | 21:07 |
trandles | I'm not sure how interesting #1 is any more. I'm willing to get it working if anyone cares. #2 is definitely still interesting at least to us at LANL. | 21:07 |
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oneswig | With #2 was that for bare metal networking? | 21:08 |
trandles | Yeah. Nothing installed on the compute hosts. | 21:09 |
oneswig | Done how? | 21:09 |
trandles | The prototype I wrote made calls to the neutron API, neutron was using the Arista ML2 plugin | 21:09 |
oneswig | Very interesting. | 21:10 |
oneswig | Did you have issues with scaling the number of ports? And reliability? | 21:10 |
trandles | So it was configuring VLANs on the switch, adding/removing/creating/deleting depending on the job's request. | 21:10 |
trandles | I never did scale past my testbed size of 48 nodes. | 21:10 |
trandles | Reliability using Arista's CloudVision was fine | 21:11 |
oneswig | Was it doing the port updates in a single batched operation? | 21:11 |
oneswig | I've heard of similar activities using networking-generic-switch and ansible-networking | 21:12 |
trandles | I'll have to look at the code again, but as I recall it was one update to the switches per VLAN operation. | 21:13 |
jmlowe | Isn't there a neutron vxlan vtep thingy | 21:13 |
oneswig | One persistent problem appears to be making changes to large numbers of ports, if they can't be bulk-processed then it can lead to timeouts getting exceeded. | 21:13 |
oneswig | jmlowe: if the hardware supports it, yes but I am not sure which mechanism drivers support that for bare metal. | 21:14 |
trandles | The two use cases were isolating the nodes in a job, for instance if you were going to start up an insecure listening service (like DASK at the time), and making network-attached resources available ONLY to specific nodes in an allocation. | 21:14 |
trandles | So for the later, imagine you have an RDBMS like Oracle that you don't want an entire cluster to be able to see or a filesystem that should only be mounted by specific nodes in an allocation. | 21:15 |
martial | question: some people here are having a lot of issues with Octavia, is there some advice that | 21:16 |
martial | I can pass along? | 21:16 |
trandles | I had thought about going further and doing things like manipulating flows at the switch hardware level | 21:16 |
trandles | But never got that far with it | 21:16 |
oneswig | trandles: so how long would it take to program the switch with new vlan config? | 21:17 |
trandles | On a 2-switch testbed, it was fast | 21:17 |
oneswig | And how did you interface between slurmctld and Neutron? | 21:18 |
trandles | I want to say it didn't delay job start by more than a few seconds | 21:18 |
johnsom | martial What issues are you having with Octavia? | 21:18 |
trandles | The openstack API calls were all made by a Slurm job start plugin | 21:18 |
trandles | Slurmctld that is, not slurmd | 21:18 |
trandles | It was a lot like some fabric management stuff that slurm had long ago for the bluegene systems from IBM IIRC | 21:19 |
trandles | Although that's been removed from Slurm I think | 21:19 |
trandles | I've since wondered if using PMIx's fabric setup hooks would be a better generic solution for job-specific SDN | 21:20 |
trandles | https://pmix.github.io/standard/fabric-manager-roles-and-expectations | 21:20 |
oneswig | For Ethernet and bare metal Slurm, would be a nice additional method of job isolation. | 21:22 |
trandles | I agree. I'm interested to know if slingshot, since it's based on ethernet, will have similar isolation mechanisms. | 21:23 |
trandles | I just haven't had time to get near slingshot yet. Perhaps some of you have. | 21:23 |
oneswig | I wouldn't know. They shipped 4 Shasta cabinets to Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre a few weeks ago. | 21:24 |
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trandles | Kill them with fire and throw them in a loch :P | 21:24 |
oneswig | Deployment running a bit behind schedule it seems. | 21:25 |
trandles | (My opinion, I speak not for LANL/NNSA/DOE) | 21:25 |
oneswig | I'm sure you're just jealous of such a large body of fresh water :-) | 21:25 |
oneswig | trandles: Are you aware of the OpenDev session on bare metal networking tomorrow? My colleague Mark is chairing. | 21:25 |
oneswig | You should join in! | 21:26 |
trandles | Unfortunately I've been too swamped to attend any of this week's sessions. :( | 21:26 |
trandles | What time tomorrow? | 21:26 |
oneswig | 13:15 UTC | 21:27 |
oneswig | #link baremetal networking etherpad https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/OpenDev_HardwareAutomation_Day3 | 21:27 |
martial | johnsom: truthfully not 100% sure, I heard issue about port collisions | 21:27 |
trandles | 7:15 here, I'll be available and will attend | 21:27 |
oneswig | Excellent. It's always useful to get many points of view. | 21:28 |
johnsom | martial Hm, ok, well let them know we are in the #openstack-lbaas channel and happy to help. | 21:28 |
martial | johnsom: will do | 21:28 |
trandles | In other relevant news, I've been working quite a lot with Ironic and will be doing an internal demo for some systems staff. It's a candidate for our next bare metal cluster provisioning system. | 21:28 |
martial | cool, re tomorrow, will see if my meeting is done and will try to attend :) | 21:29 |
oneswig | trandles: that would be very cool. Is that with the deploy-to-ramdisk stuff? | 21:30 |
oneswig | trandles: did you sign up for opendev this week? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/opendev-hardware-automation-registration-104569991660?aff=ebemnsuserinsight&afu=226342862332&utm_term=eattnewsrecs&recommended_events_quantity=6&utm_campaign=newsletter_editorial&utm_content=new_york-ny.r2020_28&utm_source=eventbrite&utm_medium=email&rank=0&ref=ebemnsuserinsight | 21:31 |
trandles | Some of it is. I'm pitching it to replace all provisioning, not just cluster but also lots of diskful infrastructure services too | 21:31 |
oneswig | We've been having fun recently with Ironic's new deploy to software RAID capability | 21:32 |
trandles | Registered, I thought I had but that's for the containers in production event | 21:33 |
oneswig | #link Software raid in Ironic blog https://www.stackhpc.com/software-raid-in-ironic.html | 21:33 |
oneswig | Did you also see the baremetal whitepaper came out this week? | 21:34 |
trandles | I saw your section of the new ironic whitepaper | 21:34 |
oneswig | Ah, great (it's the same stuff) | 21:34 |
oneswig | #link Baremetal Ironic whitepaper https://www.openstack.org/bare-metal/how-ironic-delivers-abstraction-and-automation-using-open-source-infrastructure | 21:36 |
oneswig | I have to drop off, alas - all this typing is waking my kids up (either that or the after effects of Stranger Things) | 21:37 |
oneswig | martial: can you take over as chair? | 21:37 |
oneswig | Interesting discussion, hopefully catch you at OpenDev tomorrow | 21:38 |
martial | sure thing | 21:39 |
martial | I would bet Stranger Things has something to do with it :) | 21:39 |
martial | checking the agenda to see if anything else is to be covered today | 21:41 |
martial | okay not much there :) | 21:42 |
martial | #topic AOB | 21:43 |
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martial | opening the floor for additional conversations as needed | 21:43 |
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martial | well offering to save people 15 minutes then :) | 21:45 |
trandles | Sorry, had a phone call | 21:47 |
trandles | I'll be at opened tomorrow, later everyone | 21:47 |
martial | bye then, bye all :) | 21:48 |
martial | #end-meeting | 21:48 |
martial | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-07-21-21.00.html | 21:48 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-07-21-21.00.txt | 21:48 |
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