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| ricolin | #startmeeting multi_arch | 15:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 15:06:31 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: multi_arch)" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'multi_arch' | 15:06 |
| ricolin | #topic roll call | 15:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 15:06 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:06 |
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| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, how's everything | 15:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm doing alright | 15:07 |
| ricolin | #topic open discussion | 15:07 |
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| ricolin | any update from you? | 15:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ricolin: not really :( | 15:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i am always getting pulled into other tasks | 15:09 |
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| ricolin | it happends:) | 15:10 |
| ricolin | *happens | 15:10 |
| ricolin | For CI, the devstack part is still under debug | 15:11 |
| ricolin | it tooks longer than we though | 15:11 |
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| ricolin | and on kubernetes/openstack-cloud-provider, support for multi-arch is there | 15:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ricolin: cool | 15:13 |
| ricolin | no update for wheels and unit test part, since I missed meeting earlier today:( | 15:13 |
| ricolin | will catch up with tonyb and ianw | 15:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yup | 15:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok thanks ricolin for the quick meeting, i can let you go do other important things now :) | 15:14 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, yeah, things eat times:( | 15:15 |
| ricolin | will keep thing update later | 15:15 |
| ricolin | jeremyfreudberg, thanks for join, | 15:16 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 15:16:15 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-14-15.06.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-14-15.06.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/multi_arch/2020/multi_arch.2020-04-14-15.06.log.html | 15:16 |
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| clarkb | reminder the opendev infra team meeting is happenign in #opendev-meeting now | 19:02 |
| clarkb | if you are here looking for that meeting you'll want to join that other channel | 19:02 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 14 21:00:27 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Hi | 21:00 |
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| martial | Hello friends | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hey martial | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:02 |
| martial | Hey Stig :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | how are you? | 21:02 |
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| martial | doing well, enjoying a ton of work so the usual :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Strangely work for some is much, much higher! | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Keeping me busy, for sure. | 21:04 |
| martial | oh yeah | 21:04 |
| martial | it is crazy here too | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | awfully quiet today... | 21:06 |
| martial | things going well otherwise? Seems like it is going to be another slow SIG meeting | 21:06 |
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| rbudden | hello :) | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Well yes, I think so. | 21:06 |
| oneswig | hey Bob | 21:06 |
| rbudden | hey Stig, how’s it goin? | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Bored :-) | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | Any news on that issue with Cinder, Nova and backends in various AZs? | 21:09 |
| rbudden | yes, we’ve got the multi AZ pieces all working for the most part | 21:10 |
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| rbudden | a few weird nuances ATM, but nothing that appears to be a show stopper for our future setup | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Luxury :-) I've been having fun with giving some cranky old hardware a second life. | 21:12 |
| rbudden | the strangest is that since Nova through CLI/Horizon has no way of passing a Cinder volume type, it appears that Cinder selects the right backend based on AZ, but assigns it ‘__DEFAULT__’ as the type instead of the choice it made | 21:13 |
| oneswig | I've seen that volume type before... pretty annoying and that's without AZs in the mix | 21:14 |
| rbudden | it’s been interesting digging into some of this, i’m not sure if many others have done multi AZ setups w/Nova, Cinder, and Neutron | 21:15 |
| rbudden | it’s almost like there needs to be a default volume type per AZ | 21:15 |
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| smcginnis | The workaround in horizon is to create the volume first, then use that to create a new instance. Unfortunately. | 21:16 |
| rbudden | or have Nova be smart enough to pass the volume type | 21:16 |
| oneswig | Hi smcginnis, thanks for that :-) | 21:16 |
| rbudden | yes, that does work | 21:16 |
| rbudden | sadly, it requires our users to actually read the documentation to know to peform that step ;) | 21:17 |
| rbudden | we’ve used the same workaround on the CLI for the moment as well | 21:17 |
| oneswig | The inevitable follow-up question is why? Seems like the sort of usability issue the UC ought to have been chipping away at. | 21:17 |
| smcginnis | If you have default_availability_zone set in cinder.conf, that should prevent "__DEFAULT__" from being used. But that only helps for that one type. | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | Is it that the APIs don't support this level of specification, and can't be extended to add it? | 21:18 |
| rbudden | if you have a default set, then you can never get a nova boot to pick a cinder volume type in the non-default AZ | 21:19 |
| rbudden | cinder-api effectively applies the default volume type before it sends the request to the scheduler | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | oneswig: In the past, we did push for nova being able to send that to cinder in the volume creation request, but the team had been acitively trying to get away from orchestrating non-Nova API workflows. So it was shot down multiple times. | 21:19 |
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| smcginnis | One suggestion I gave in the past was to add the smarts to horizon, so internally it could orchestrate creating the volume, then using it for the instance. Not sure if there is a reason why that couldn't be done. | 21:20 |
| oneswig | Thanks for the helpful context | 21:21 |
| rbudden | FWIW this problem also exists with just Cinder CLI outside of Nova | 21:21 |
| smcginnis | No great answers, but at least some background. | 21:21 |
| rbudden | yep, appreciate the info | 21:21 |
| smcginnis | rbudden: Not sure what you mean. You can specify volume type from the Cinder CLI. | 21:21 |
| rbudden | right, i’m saying if you want to create a new volume based on AZ and not volume type, you get the same experience as with the Nova boot (i.e. Nova passing ‘None’ as the volume type) | 21:22 |
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| rbudden | so if you do a ‘cinder create —availability-zone $az …’ without specifying a type, you traverse the same code path Nova does where the Cinder scheduler does pick the right volume type, and creates the volume, but ends up with type being ‘__DEFAULT__’ regardless of which backend it landed on | 21:23 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, everything is driven off of volume types to determine where to create volumes. So if the type isn't given, it will always use the default volume type and place it wherever that goes. | 21:23 |
| rbudden | yep, that’s what it looks like. it does appear to have enough logic that if no default is set, it works, with the above issue | 21:24 |
| rbudden | operationally it works, so that makes me happy | 21:24 |
| oneswig | rbudden: so you have users following the two-stage workflow? | 21:25 |
| rbudden | no, not at the moment | 21:25 |
| rbudden | we’re trying to avoid that | 21:25 |
| rbudden | this workaround is in our TDS | 21:25 |
| rbudden | our current production cloud is single AZ and single Cinder backend, so it doens’t have these | 21:26 |
| rbudden | issues | 21:26 |
| rbudden | when we merge our two clouds we will end up with at least one AZ per buliding, maybe more, and at least one Cinder volume backend per building | 21:26 |
| rbudden | the main idea is to prevent the need (and peformance loss) of doing Cinder cross-az-attach | 21:29 |
| smcginnis | Looking at the cinder code, I think you are right that there is a bug in how --availability-zone gets passed in. | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | Interesting to know. | 21:33 |
| rbudden | so yeah, that’s where i’m at with things ATM. been fun digging through code though :) | 21:38 |
| oneswig | rbudden: It's always fun, until you have to do it because it's preventing you from doing what you really wanted to do... | 21:39 |
| rbudden | haha, it’s still fun then as long as you eventually find a solution in a timely fashion ;) | 21:40 |
| rbudden | luckily right now the entire point of our TDS is to flesh out these issues now | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Done by the book! | 21:41 |
| rbudden | we’re still hacking through Monasca/Ceilosca/CloudKitty | 21:42 |
| rbudden | @oneswig we may pick your brain some more if you don’t mind | 21:42 |
| oneswig | Any luck with tying together Monasca and CloudKitty? I think Pierre got some useful pointers | 21:42 |
| rbudden | yes, we’re getting closer | 21:42 |
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| rbudden | still a disconect or two, but I’d have to defer to Jonathan on much of that work | 21:43 |
| oneswig | rbudden: brain-picking more than welcome, what's left of it... | 21:43 |
| rbudden | I need to catch up to him in the Telemetry department | 21:43 |
| rbudden | we’ve appreaciate the help thus far! | 21:46 |
| oneswig | You're welcome - in return I'd be interested hearing if you finesse things with the AZs in due course :-) | 21:47 |
| rbudden | absolutely | 21:47 |
| martial | Bob, be ready to present :) | 21:51 |
| rbudden | already have some plans to present when our new setup is opperational | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Present here or somewhere fancier? :-) | 21:52 |
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| rbudden | was hoping Germany Summit, but who knows these days ;) | 21:52 |
| oneswig | The SIG beers in Berlin last time - have to do that again... | 21:53 |
| rbudden | maybe once this COVID-19 is al over i think i need to replan that long lost trip to visit you Stig | 21:54 |
| rbudden | i’ve never been to Germany, but it’s been on my bucket list | 21:54 |
| rbudden | *Crosses fingers* | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | Any time, rbudden, except for now alas | 21:55 |
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| martial | Kind of hoping Berlin will be a go too | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | Likewise! | 21:56 |
| oneswig | OK, nearly at the hour. AOB? | 21:58 |
| oneswig | We are planning for our first CentOS 8-based deployment, maybe kicking off next week all going to plan. | 21:58 |
| rbudden | very nice. i’ll be interested in how this goes! | 21:59 |
| rbudden | we’ll be toying with CentOS 8 at some point in our TDS as well, but not on the immediate horizon | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Me too. It's been well tested upstream so I'm hoping relatively smoothly. | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Ceph Octopus too | 22:00 |
| oneswig | On that happy note, final comments? | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 14 22:00:37 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-14-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-14-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| rbudden | appreciate chatting! have a great week everyone! | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2020/scientific_sig.2020-04-14-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Have a good one! | 22:00 |
| rbudden | stay safe everyone! | 22:01 |
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| oneswig | Same to you rbudden | 22:01 |
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