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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 15 14:01:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:01 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| slaweq | welcome back aftet the PTG :) | 14:01 |
| slaweq | I hope You all recovered after travels already | 14:01 |
| slaweq | lets wait few more minutes for amotoki | 14:02 |
| slaweq | as haleyb probably will not join today as he is still traveling IIRC | 14:03 |
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| amotoki | hi | 14:03 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:03 |
| slaweq | hi amotoki | 14:03 |
| slaweq | welcome ralonsoh :) | 14:03 |
| slaweq | ok, lets start | 14:03 |
| slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| slaweq | I have few rfe to talk about for today | 14:03 |
| slaweq | first one is | 14:03 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1841067 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1841067 in neutron "[RFE] SR-IOV agent depends on mac addresses for getting bound ports" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:03 |
| slaweq | I know that ralonsoh was checking this as our sr-iov expert | 14:04 |
| slaweq | and also I hope that adrianc is around to talk about it | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | I don;t know id adrianc | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | yes, he is here | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | anyway, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677095 can be merged | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | with the release note saying that kernels <3.13 will have problems | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | this is happening in older versions of CentOS | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | and then we should retake again https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676713 | 14:05 |
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| ralonsoh | that's all from my side | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | (last commit will get rid of the need of using the administrative MAC, actually the goal of the bug) | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | sorry, any question? | 14:08 |
| slaweq | tbh I'm not exactly sure what changes are needed for this rfe exactly, but I have no experience with sr-iov so that's probably why I don't know it :/ | 14:10 |
| slaweq | I understand need of https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677095 and why we can it merge now | 14:10 |
| slaweq | (actually I just approved it) | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | yes, in a couple of sentences | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676713, instead of retrieving the MAC address set by the PF, use the address set in the macvtap device | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | (well, one sentece) | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | as the commit message says | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | "This commit rids sriov agent from depending on hypervisor/nova | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | to set both administrative and effective mac for macvtap ports." | 14:11 |
| slaweq | ok, and whole rfe is about that, correct? | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | exactly | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | so the first patch is just step 1 | 14:12 |
| amotoki | you two are faster than me. that's what I would like to ask :) | 14:12 |
| slaweq | amotoki: :) sorry | 14:12 |
| amotoki | np | 14:12 |
| slaweq | ok, so this is "agent's side only" change, right | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:13 |
| slaweq | and the problem with this was that it can't run on older kernels in fact | 14:13 |
| slaweq | but now we don't have this blocker anymore | 14:13 |
| slaweq | correct? | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | I think that older versions of CentOS still have this kernel | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | but I don;t know in this cycle (U) | 14:14 |
| slaweq | in U cycle we should support Centos 8, not 7 | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | oooook, so perfect | 14:14 |
| slaweq | according to TC guidance | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | (do you have the link?) | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | (I lost it) | 14:15 |
| amotoki | is there any place where we declare what versions of linux kernel are required? sanity check? | 14:15 |
| slaweq | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/project-testing-interface.html#linux-distributions | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, not in Neutron | 14:16 |
| slaweq | amotoki: no | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | and I don't know in other projects | 14:16 |
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| ralonsoh | I think this is something to be considered by the administrator installing OpenStack | 14:16 |
| amotoki | the sanity checks check some of our dependencies... but I think it just covers some | 14:17 |
| slaweq | so we can have maybe upgrade check added for it - if sr-iov agent is there, warn about min kernel version required | 14:17 |
| slaweq | just to be sure that administrator is aware of it | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, this should be done in the related patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/677095/ | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | or in a follow-up one? | 14:18 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: can be in follow up IMO | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 14:18 |
| amotoki | sounds good | 14:19 |
| ralonsoh | (I'll add a comment in the bug now) | 14:19 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: thx | 14:19 |
| amotoki | I am not against the RFE approval. I am just trying to clarify it from POV of operators. | 14:19 |
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| slaweq | for me this rfe is fine, according to project-testing-interface document we should support only "Latest CentOS Major" release, and that is actually version 8 | 14:21 |
| slaweq | also Ubuntu and openSUSE has got already kernel new enough for sure | 14:21 |
| ralonsoh | yes, but not CentOS | 14:21 |
| ralonsoh | that's why an upgrade check and warning is needed | 14:21 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: centos 8 has got newer kernel also | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | but Centos 8 foes, right? | 14:21 |
| ralonsoh | yes I mean in previous versions | 14:22 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle, yes | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | does^^^ | 14:22 |
| slaweq | but just to be fair with operators we should add warning in release note and/or upgrade check | 14:22 |
| slaweq | that's at least my opinion about this rfe | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | I agree | 14:22 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | +1 | 14:23 |
| yamamoto_ | +1 | 14:23 |
| slaweq | ok, so I will approve this rfe with comment about warnings | 14:24 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:24 |
| slaweq | ok, lets move on | 14:24 |
| slaweq | next one | 14:24 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1850818 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1850818 in neutron "[RFE][floatingip port_forwarding] Add description field" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Pedro Henrique Pereira Martins (pedrohpmartins) | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | I read this one last night | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | it makes sense to me | 14:25 |
| slaweq | for me too | 14:25 |
| slaweq | it seems like pretty straightforward for me | 14:25 |
| ralonsoh | yes and the n-lib patch is in good shape too https://review.opendev.org/#/c/692580/ | 14:25 |
| slaweq | but it's API change so we need to discuss it here | 14:25 |
| ralonsoh | for sure | 14:26 |
| amotoki | it makes sense to me too. | 14:26 |
| slaweq | IIRC liuyulong also spoke about adding name field as well to the port forwarding | 14:26 |
| slaweq | to make it easier to sort/filter and so on | 14:26 |
| slaweq | but he didn't mention it in comments to RFE | 14:27 |
| ralonsoh | we can save time and extensions if we merge both... | 14:27 |
| ralonsoh | is this acceptable? | 14:27 |
| amotoki | we already have 'description' field for many resources. it is fair enough. | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | I think so | 14:27 |
| amotoki | regarding 'name' field, the floating IP resource has no 'name' field | 14:28 |
| amotoki | so I think we can add 'description' field only. | 14:28 |
| slaweq | amotoki: makes sense for me | 14:28 |
| slaweq | original rfe is only about adding description so we can go with this simply | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 14:29 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | +1 | 14:29 |
| yamamoto_ | +1 | 14:29 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:29 |
| slaweq | thx, so I will approve this rfe after the meeting | 14:31 |
| slaweq | that's fast today :) | 14:31 |
| slaweq | next one | 14:31 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1847068 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1847068 in neutron "[RFE] create option in neutron.conf to disable designate+neutron consistency" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Gregoire Mahe (gregoiremahe) | 14:31 |
| slaweq | this one we already discussed some time ago | 14:31 |
| slaweq | it was proposed by Gregoire from OVH | 14:31 |
| slaweq | please check last comment in this rfe | 14:32 |
| slaweq | there is explained use case which they are trying to solve with this proposal | 14:32 |
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| mlavalle | to me it continues looking as a very spcific thing for OVH | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | the way they are rolling their offering out | 14:33 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: that's exactly what I wanted to say | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | why don't they do their private implementation? | 14:34 |
| slaweq | but I didn't want to be first ;) | 14:34 |
| slaweq | they have need to test designate in production without hurting other services | 14:34 |
| slaweq | and that's why they need new driver | 14:35 |
| slaweq | IMO it shouldn't be in neutron tree | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | DNS integration was implemented with an open driver interface | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | so they have all they need to create their own private implementation | 14:35 |
| amotoki | Do we already support a way to add designate to existing deployments and does it work well? this is what I am not sure. | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | my employer did and works fine | 14:36 |
| amotoki | good to hear that :) | 14:37 |
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| mlavalle | I know Rackspace did the same in their private cloud offering | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | because a year ago I helped them to test it | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | and haven't heard of any other issues since | 14:38 |
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| amotoki | so, when some failure in a record creation happens in designate side, what we see is just an inconsistency between neutron and desginate and we can still delete a neutron port, right? | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | yes | 14:41 |
| slaweq | amotoki: that's correct | 14:41 |
| amotoki | thanks, so I think the last portion is what an user can do when an inconsistency happens between neutron and designate. | 14:42 |
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| amotoki | a failure can happen regardless of that designate is in production or not. | 14:44 |
| slaweq | amotoki: that's true | 14:44 |
| amotoki | if an inconsistency happens, should a user re-create a port? | 14:44 |
| slaweq | so currently, if designate will fail during port creation user will have port created but without dns entry for it | 14:45 |
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| slaweq | so my understanding is that he would need to create dns entry manually in designate than | 14:45 |
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| amotoki | but I am afraid I am asking another problem..... the RFE requests a way to disable consistency between desginate and neutron. | 14:45 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: is that correct? | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that could be an approach | 14:45 |
| slaweq | but as amotoki said, it's different problem which is raised in bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1846703 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1846703 in neutron "Avoid neutron to return error 500 when deleting port if designate is down" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Gregoire Mahe (gregoiremahe) | 14:46 |
| slaweq | in rfe https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1847068 proposal is to add dns driver which will ignore designate errors on both port creation and port deletion | 14:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1847068 in neutron "[RFE] create option in neutron.conf to disable designate+neutron consistency" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Gregoire Mahe (gregoiremahe) | 14:47 |
| slaweq | and it is IMO that driver which is trying to address problem specific to OVH | 14:47 |
| slaweq | as they don't want to have e.g. error 500 during port deletion on production if designate will not work properly | 14:47 |
| ralonsoh | should be https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685644/ linked to the RFE? | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | handling the 500 gracefully seems sensible | 14:49 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: probably it can be | 14:49 |
| ralonsoh | ok, 685644 makes sense but not the RFE, got it | 14:49 |
| amotoki | I second ralonsoh | 14:50 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yamamoto_: any thoughts about this one? | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | as I said already ^^^^, habdling the 500 gracefully seems sensible to me | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | inf fact that conversation should be untangled from the RFE | 14:52 |
| slaweq | yes, but I'm rather asking about rfe :) | 14:52 |
| yamamoto_ | does 685644 just log and ignore those errors? | 14:52 |
| slaweq | so let's vote about rfe, which is "new designate driver which will not care about what was really created/deleter in designate" | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | to me, as I already said, the RFE is specifc to OVH | 14:53 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I agree with You so -1 for this rfe from me | 14:54 |
| amotoki | -1 from me too. I am not convinced with the RFE. nova fails to boot a server when neutron fails to create a port for it. I think it is a same situation as what we are discussing. | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | exactly | 14:56 |
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| yamamoto_ | does nova fail to delete a server when neutron fails to delete a port? | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | the underlying question is how tightly we want to link the services | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | well, it sends an instance to error when network resources fail to create, doesn't it? | 14:58 |
| slaweq | yamamoto_: I'm not sure but probably not, and nova will left port in neutron in such case | 14:58 |
| slaweq | or it set's instance in error state as mlavalle said, I would need to check that | 14:58 |
| yamamoto_ | what the rfe submitter is unhappy with is "On designate failure, port deletion doesn't work, and the port is not deleted (consistent behavior)" | 14:58 |
| amotoki | I cannot remember how nova behaves right now.... but according to the last comment #6 in the RFE what OVH concerns is on port creation | 14:58 |
| yamamoto_ | right? | 14:58 |
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| slaweq | yamamoto_: my understanting of this rfe is different | 14:59 |
| slaweq | or wait, actually it is correct | 15:00 |
| amotoki | he says "consistency" so it looks good for him. | 15:00 |
| amotoki | I think the point is on port creation | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | (time is over folks) | 15:00 |
| slaweq | but they also want to store any errors somewhere | 15:00 |
| yamamoto_ | amotoki: but he wants to disable consistency, doesn't he? | 15:01 |
| slaweq | ok, we will get back to this one as first one next week | 15:01 |
| slaweq | we are out of time today | 15:01 |
| slaweq | thx for attending guys | 15:01 |
| yamamoto_ | i can't attend next week | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 15:01 |
| slaweq | and have a nice weekend | 15:01 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:01 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 15:01 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 15 15:01:28 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-11-15-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-11-15-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-11-15-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| slaweq | yamamoto_: no problem, thx for info | 15:01 |
| amotoki | slaweq: I cannot join next week either. I will be on a flight to Japan | 15:02 |
| slaweq | amotoki: hmm, ok | 15:02 |
| slaweq | thx for letting me know | 15:02 |
| slaweq | maybe we will have to cancel next week's meeting than | 15:02 |
| slaweq | I will check with mlavalle and haleyb that | 15:02 |
| amotoki | sorry for inconvenience | 15:03 |
| slaweq | amotoki: no problem | 15:03 |
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