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slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 25 14:00:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
amotoki | o/ | 14:01 |
slaweq | yamamoto sent an email today that he will not be able to join, so I think we can start now | 14:01 |
slaweq | #topic RFEs | 14:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:01 | |
slaweq | first rfe for today is: | 14:01 |
slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1825345 | 14:02 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1825345 in neutron "[RFE] admin-state-down doesn't evacuate bindings in the dhcp_agent_id column" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:02 |
slaweq | we discussed about it last week | 14:02 |
slaweq | zigo made some clarifications about it in the comment | 14:02 |
zigo | o/ | 14:02 |
slaweq | and personally I think that this rfe makes sense and it makes sense to do it on server side as was proposed by zigo | 14:03 |
slaweq | hi zigo :) | 14:03 |
zigo | Does it make sense to also broaden the scope, and have it for l3-agent? | 14:04 |
zigo | There too, someone may want to move routers away. | 14:05 |
amotoki | it sounds reasonable to me too. | 14:05 |
slaweq | zigo: IMO yes, it should works in same way for dhcp and l3 agents | 14:05 |
amotoki | when I was an operator, I wrote a similar script to evacuate networks/routers and it is same as what this RFE proposes. | 14:05 |
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mlavalle | sounds reasonable to me as well | 14:07 |
slaweq | haleyb: what's Your opinion about it? | 14:08 |
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haleyb | slaweq: i'm +1 for it | 14:08 |
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slaweq | thx | 14:09 |
slaweq | so I will approve this rfe | 14:09 |
slaweq | zigo: if You want/need help with implementing that I would be happy to help :) | 14:09 |
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slaweq | approved, lets move to the next one | 14:12 |
slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1840979 | 14:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1840979 in neutron "[L2] update the port DB status directly in agent-side" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:12 |
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ralonsoh | updating the DB in the agent? | 14:14 |
ralonsoh | is that correct? | 14:14 |
slaweq | ralonsoh: yes, that's the proposal in this rfe basically | 14:14 |
slaweq | so each ovs agent would have access to db directly to improve performance | 14:14 |
ralonsoh | this is something I don't support, regardless of the idea of having a distributed system | 14:15 |
ralonsoh | but because Neutron server was not designed in this way, we should not support it | 14:15 |
amotoki | it can improve performance but it makes the upgrade difficult. when DB schema change happens, neutron agents cannot talk with DB until neutron agents are upgraded. | 14:16 |
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ralonsoh | and this is another reason | 14:16 |
slaweq | amotoki: yes, upgrade is one of the reasons why I'm also against this | 14:16 |
slaweq | another is less security IMO | 14:17 |
slaweq | liuyulong said in one of the comments there that e.g. cinder and nova are doing something like that | 14:17 |
mlavalle | and if we have a plan to converge with OVN, why would we want to take such a radical step with agents? | 14:17 |
mlavalle | let's focus on the OVN convergence | 14:18 |
haleyb | +1, i don't think agents having direct access is a good idea either | 14:19 |
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slaweq | ok, I think that we all agree here that it's not good idea to make such radical change in neutron's architecture | 14:20 |
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slaweq | so I will summarize all those reasons in comment to the rfe and will close it as not approved - is it ok for You? | 14:21 |
mlavalle | yes | 14:21 |
amotoki | works forr me | 14:22 |
ralonsoh | ok | 14:22 |
haleyb | ok for me | 14:22 |
slaweq | ok, thx | 14:23 |
slaweq | we are going very fast today | 14:23 |
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slaweq | ok, done | 14:26 |
slaweq | next one on my list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1847068 | 14:28 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1847068 in neutron "[RFE] create option in neutron.conf to disable designate+neutron consistency" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Gregoire Mahe (gregoiremahe) | 14:28 |
slaweq | but I'm not sure if gregoiremahe is here tody | 14:28 |
slaweq | *today | 14:28 |
slaweq | personally I don't think that such "inconsistent" designate driver should be in neutron repo as it fits very specific usecase of OVH | 14:30 |
mlavalle | so his challenge is that the Designate is not available all the time, right? | 14:30 |
mlavalle | *the Designate API | 14:30 |
slaweq | mlavalle: TBH I'm not sure, I think they have custome driver in designate for OVH dns service and maybe this isn't available always | 14:31 |
slaweq | but we would need to have gregoiremahe here to explain that in details | 14:31 |
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mlavalle | current DNS integration was designed under the assumption that the Designate API is most of the time available | 14:32 |
mlavalle | and I think that is a reasonable assumption to make | 14:32 |
mlavalle | and that is proven by the fact that other operators use it succesfully | 14:33 |
mlavalle | my employer among them | 14:33 |
mlavalle | so yes, I think this RFE is a very OVH specific request | 14:34 |
slaweq | so here is what I propose for now: | 14:34 |
slaweq | I will ask gregoiremahe to explain in more details what he meant in his last comment in this BZ and to provide maybe details about his usecase for that | 14:35 |
slaweq | than we can maybe check once again if that makes sense to have new driver in neutron tree or not | 14:36 |
slaweq | is it fine for You? | 14:36 |
mlavalle | IMO, we can evaluate any option as long as what exists today is not touched | 14:36 |
slaweq | mlavalle: that's for sure, I don't think that touching existing designate driver would be needed for that | 14:37 |
slaweq | IMO it's clear that we are considering only new driver potentially | 14:37 |
amotoki | slaweq: your plan sounds good to me. | 14:40 |
slaweq | thx amotoki and mlavalle for Your opinions about this one | 14:40 |
amotoki | side note: Step #2 in the bug description sounds similar to a journalling mechanism proposed to sync netwokring-ovn/odl with neutron server. | 14:41 |
slaweq | amotoki: right, it sounds similar to that mechanism | 14:44 |
slaweq | ok, lets move on than | 14:45 |
slaweq | next one on the list is | 14:45 |
slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1846285 | 14:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1846285 in neutron "[RFE] routed network for hypervisor" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:45 |
slaweq | mlavalle was asking some questions there, and reporter of the rfe answers them | 14:45 |
slaweq | but I'm not sure if that's enough for mlavalle to make this rfe clear | 14:46 |
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slaweq | personally I'm not routed networks expert so it's hard for me to triage that rfe | 14:46 |
slaweq | so I wanted to check others opinions about it | 14:46 |
mlavalle | well, look at his number 1 answer | 14:47 |
mlavalle | essentially he is saying that he is going to change the way things work now | 14:48 |
mlavalle | in other words, if we move in that direction, everybody needs to move in that direction | 14:48 |
mlavalle | I mean all the deployers | 14:49 |
mlavalle | now, I am not saying this is not an interesting idea | 14:49 |
mlavalle | because it is | 14:50 |
mlavalle | but the price cannot be be that everybody needs to adopt this way to deploy Neutron | 14:50 |
slaweq | mlavalle: segments are done as separate service plugin, right? | 14:51 |
mlavalle | yes | 14:51 |
slaweq | mlavalle: can't this be proposed as another service plugin maybe? even outside of the neutron tree | 14:51 |
mlavalle | let's clarify something | 14:52 |
mlavalle | segments plugin != routed networks | 14:52 |
mlavalle | segments plugin is used in routed networks | 14:52 |
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mlavalle | but routed networks is more that that | 14:52 |
mlavalle | routed networks use segments | 14:53 |
mlavalle | the segments plugin was a way to make a concept that already existed (segments) directly accesible from the API | 14:53 |
mlavalle | it was a way to make segments a resource in the API. But segments existed in ML2 way before that | 14:54 |
mlavalle | having said that, yes, this could be implemented as a different plugin | 14:55 |
slaweq | so this rfe would require changes in ml2 plugin also? | 14:55 |
mlavalle | submitter hasn't given dteailed information | 14:56 |
mlavalle | but his comments suggest changes in L3 and L2 at least | 14:56 |
mlavalle | again, the idea is interesting | 14:56 |
slaweq | mlavalle: can You take care of this rfe and continue triaging it? | 14:56 |
mlavalle | and I would be happy to experiment with the idea | 14:56 |
mlavalle | but I don't want to commit Neutron to something that would force everybody to deploy in this way | 14:57 |
mlavalle | slaweq: yes, that was my plan and then you marked it as triaged | 14:58 |
slaweq | mlavalle: sorry for that | 14:58 |
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mlavalle | slaweq: no problem whatsoever | 14:58 |
mlavalle | I am complaining | 14:58 |
mlavalle | I am just sharing my thoughts and how I see this has evolved | 14:59 |
slaweq | I will now change it back to "rfe" and we will wait for when You will think it's triaged :) | 14:59 |
mlavalle | I am not complaining | 14:59 |
mlavalle | that;s what I meant to say slaweq^^^ | 14:59 |
slaweq | thx a lot for update about this mlavalle | 14:59 |
slaweq | we are almost out of time now | 14:59 |
slaweq | thx for attending the meeting | 14:59 |
ralonsoh | bye | 15:00 |
ileixe___ | Thanks :) | 15:00 |
slaweq | and have a great weekend guys | 15:00 |
amotoki | thanks | 15:00 |
slaweq | o/ | 15:00 |
mlavalle | slaweq: nest week I won't attend. I'll be on my way to China | 15:00 |
slaweq | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 25 15:00:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-25-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-25-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-10-25-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
slaweq | mlavalle: I will cancel next week's meeting as there is public holiday here in Poland | 15:00 |
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