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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 2 14:00:17 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:02 |
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| -amotoki- is not feeling well due to too hot days over 35C... | 14:02 | |
| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
| slaweq | sorry for being late | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | let's wait one more minute | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | we have quorum, so let's get going | 14:05 |
| davidsha | o/ | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:05 | |
| mlavalle | Last week we concluded the meeting having said we were going to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1817881 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817881 in neutron " [RFE] L3 IPs monitor/metering via current QoS functionality (tc filters)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:05 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | and more specifically, we were going to review the spec: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658511/ | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | which we did :-) | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | In m,y review of the spec, I am mostly ok with it and the RFE | 14:08 |
| amotoki | what I still haven't understood well is whether it requires the API change or not. | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | I think the last remaining sticking point is to require the deployer to enable the QoS extension to enable the proposed new extension | 14:09 |
| slaweq | My only concern is to not bind it with QoS from user perspective at all - those are 2 completly different functionalities IMO | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | yeap, we agree on that slaweq | 14:10 |
| amotoki | slaweq: +1 | 14:10 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:10 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:11 |
| yamamoto | sorry late | 14:11 |
| slaweq | amotoki: about API, my understanding is that any changes aren't needed really | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: it doesn't look to me that an API change is required, but we can ask in the spec or the RFE to make sure | 14:11 |
| slaweq | amotoki: IIUC spec, it will be new l3_agent extension which can be loaded on L3 agent's config file | 14:11 |
| slaweq | and than L3 agent will set those counters and sent this data periodically to some external "collector" | 14:11 |
| amotoki | thanks for the feedback. +1 to clarify whether it needs the REST API change or not in the spec. | 14:12 |
| amotoki | I am fine to use the same mechanism for QoS and metering. It sounds natural. | 14:12 |
| slaweq | +1 that this should be clearly written there | 14:12 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: I'm fine to use same mechanism underneath (tc and its counters) but I don't think it should work like: if You want to have metering on FIP, please attach QoS with bw limit to it | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | most likely all agree on that.... let's see what haleyb and yamamoto say | 14:14 |
| amotoki | slaweq: that's the same concern I have from past discussions. | 14:14 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: i just read the spec, and would agree with slaweq and amotoki | 14:15 |
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| yamamoto | i agree | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | I see liuyulong just joined the meeting.... | 14:15 |
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| liuyulong | hhi | 14:16 |
| slaweq | hi liuyulong | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: we are discussing your metering proposal | 14:16 |
| liuyulong | I hit some traffic... | 14:16 |
| liuyulong | OK | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | in summary, we have two questions | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | 1) Are API changes required by this RFE / spec? | 14:17 |
| liuyulong | No, for the SPEC now, it is only a new L3 agent extension. | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | cool, let's make that explicit in the spec | 14:18 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: does this mean the metering feature can be used without QoS rule? | 14:19 |
| amotoki | my question is just for clarification | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | 2) We all agree that from the point of view of the operator, QoS extension shouldn't be required | 14:19 |
| liuyulong | Router gateway IP QoS and Floating IP QoS will be needed. That means L3 agent fip_qos and gateway_ip_qos agent extension will be required. | 14:20 |
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| liuyulong | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658511/5/specs/train/l3-ips-metering.rst@147 | 14:20 |
| liuyulong | I added the Dependencies here ^^ | 14:20 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: could you distinguish "REST API extension" and "L3 agent extension"? | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | but why not have a config option that enables this new extension and then installs the required TC rules on those IPs | 14:21 |
| slaweq | liuyulong: but why You require FIP and GW QoS to be enabled to use metering? | 14:21 |
| liuyulong | amotoki, it is L3 agent extension. | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | mlavalle, then we will implement the TC installing and caching once again? | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | no, you reuse the same code as much as possible | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | we can directly use the installed TC filter rules. | 14:22 |
| slaweq | mlavalle +1 | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | just have different ways to enable it | 14:23 |
| amotoki | can we use the proposed metering feature without *new procedure* from the perspective of REST API? | 14:23 |
| amotoki | I haven't got we are okay to use the same mechanism for both qos and metering. | 14:23 |
| amotoki | perhaps I am asking the same thing for clarification | 14:24 |
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| amotoki | sorry.. s/I haven't// | 14:24 |
| liuyulong | slaweq, mlavalle, what's the default value should be? | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | default value for what? | 14:24 |
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| liuyulong | TC filter | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | default value is no tc filter | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | tc filter will be put in place if either QoS or the new extension are enabled through config options | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | or both | 14:25 |
| slaweq | liuyulong: do You need filter with bw limit always? won't it work without limits? Like e.g. filter to match all traffic to/from FIP? | 14:27 |
| liuyulong | TC filters without rate or burst value? | 14:27 |
| slaweq | (sorry, I don't remember exactly how this works in tc) | 14:27 |
| ralonsoh | yes, you can write a filter passing all traffic without BW limits | 14:28 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: thx | 14:28 |
| slaweq | so, maybe it could work like that: | 14:28 |
| liuyulong | amotoki, for the SPEC now, we will not introduce new API. server side is as usual. | 14:28 |
| slaweq | if there is no QoS for FIP, set rule without bw limits | 14:29 |
| liuyulong | OK, looks good | 14:29 |
| slaweq | if then qos is set for fip, override this filter with qos ones | 14:29 |
| liuyulong | I may test this. | 14:29 |
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| liuyulong | Only match the U32 classifier, but no traffic policing. | 14:30 |
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| slaweq | liuyulong: exactly | 14:30 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: that would be fine. we all seem okay to use TC filters for metering. what we concern is just whether the new metering requires QoS rules. | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | ok, based on this understanding, I propose that we approve the RFE, clarifying both in the RFE and the spec how the TC filters will be handled | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | ok with everybody? | 14:31 |
| slaweq | ++ | 14:32 |
| liuyulong | amotoki, it will, if user enable floating IP QoS and gateway IP QoS. But if not enable such qos_* extension, then such filter without traffic policing will not involve the QoS rules. | 14:32 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:32 |
| liuyulong | I need to test the last proposal. | 14:33 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: do you mean we can use the metering feature without QoS feature?f | 14:33 |
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| liuyulong | amotoki, Yes (but not tested yet) | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: can report the results of his testing in the spec | 14:34 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: fine. we don't want you to test it now :) | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | Sure | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | for today, I propose we approve the RFE, ok? | 14:35 |
| amotoki | +1 to mlavalle's proposal. I am okay to approve the RFE and let's cover the detail in the spec. | 14:35 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | you ok, yamamoto? | 14:38 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | cool | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | approved it is | 14:38 |
| liuyulong | Thank you, I will update the info as soon as possible. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | liuyulong: thanks for your effort!! | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | liuyulong: thanks for your proposal and hard work! | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | Next one for today comes from "El Comandante" himself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1838621 | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1838621 in neutron "[RFE] Configure extra dhcp options via API and per network" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:40 |
| slaweq | LOL | 14:40 |
| -amotoki- is googling "El Comandante" to understand its meaning..... LOL | 14:41 | |
| -amotoki- now got it | 14:41 | |
| slaweq | I had similar request from customer this week, and I thought that this could be set via API for network, in similar way how e.g. mtu is now possible to set | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | it is a nickname that his co-workers gave him in his previous job | 14:42 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | they even gave him a t-shirt | 14:42 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: no, my wife bought me this t-shirt :) | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | ahhhh, it is sacred then | 14:43 |
| slaweq | yes :) | 14:43 |
| njohnston | LOL | 14:44 |
| haleyb | slaweq: are the options just a string? or ?? just wondering how we validate as to not break dnsmasq | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | good question | 14:45 |
| slaweq | yes, options are just strings | 14:45 |
| slaweq | I wanted to allow just to put in this new attribute options in same format as it can be done now in /etc/neutron/dnsmasq.conf file | 14:46 |
| amotoki | apart from LOL, the API level configuration sounds reasonable as dhcp options do not depend on the impl like dnsmasq. | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 14:46 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:47 |
| amotoki | while we need to choose reasonable acceptable DHCP options, the proposal makes sense to me | 14:47 |
| slaweq | amotoki: we can add some validation of what is given through API and only allow to set there reasonable options | 14:48 |
| yamamoto | i don't know how dnsmasq config format looks like. is it good enough to have as a part of our api as it is? | 14:48 |
| amotoki | slaweq: yeah, totally agree | 14:48 |
| haleyb | right, i'm just remembering dnsmasq being "weird" by having things like "option42" or something like that | 14:49 |
| amotoki | haleyb: +1 | 14:49 |
| slaweq | yamamoto: it is jus string like "dhcp-option=3,1.2.3.4" and there can be many such options added to this file | 14:49 |
| haleyb | it would be good if it was generic enough to support more than dnsmasq, like OVN dhcp :) | 14:49 |
| amotoki | slaweq: one more question. DHCP options are specific to a subnet in general. is it "per network"? | 14:50 |
| slaweq | amotoki: dnsmasq server is spawned "per network" by dhcp-agent | 14:50 |
| slaweq | so I was thinking about making it "per network" | 14:50 |
| slaweq | haleyb: I agree, it should be generic | 14:51 |
| amotoki | ah... it is a tricky side. I need to check more detail. | 14:51 |
| slaweq | I can check how it would be in case of ovn | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | can you do that checking by next week's meeting? and we ra-take this RFE as the first topic next Friday? | 14:52 |
| amotoki | but this proposal makes sense to me from the point of that we can provide a way to configure dhcp options not specific to dnsmasq. | 14:52 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: me or amotoki? | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: you | 14:53 |
| haleyb | slaweq: amotoki's question about subnets was interesting, as things like host routes provided by dhcp are there, would any of these options be specific to a subnet? | 14:53 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: sure, I will check that and update comments in LP | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:54 |
| amotoki | another important thing I would like to note on the current extra-dhcp-opts is that our current API on extra-dhcp-opts is tricky and its behavior is different from the usual REST API behavior.... | 14:54 |
| amotoki | it might be a chance to explore the REST-compliant behavior on this. | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | can you elaborate amotoki? | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | either here or in the RFE (mlavalle looking at the watch) | 14:56 |
| amotoki | for example, if we drop some dhcp-opts we need to specify dhcp-opt name only (without a value). | 14:56 |
| amotoki | it is a separate topic and I can explain it in a bug (or somewhere) | 14:57 |
| slaweq | ok, I wasn't aware of this extension and possibility to set such options "per port" | 14:57 |
| slaweq | I will need to explore it more than | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | cool, please comment your findings in the RFE | 14:58 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: sure, I will | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:58 |
| yamamoto | a consistent weird behaviour might be better than two different behaviours | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | LOL, that may be true | 14:58 |
| amotoki | :p | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | Ok, thanks for attending | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | have a great weekend | 14:59 |
| slaweq | thx and have a great weekend :) | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 2 14:59:38 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-02-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-02-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-08-02-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:59 |
| slaweq | I'm starting mine now \o/ | 14:59 |
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