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| michaelbarkdoll | Hi, I'm curious when the next neutron tarball will be release (e.g., neutron-14.0.2.tar.gz)? Reason, I ask is I'd like to use a patch that was released 14 days ago (https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661835/) with a kolla deployment. They appear to go off point releases instead of https://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/neutron-stable-stein.tar.gz. | 13:50 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 14:00:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| aspiers | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| artom | ~o~ | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | _o | 14:01 |
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| dansmith | \o | 14:02 |
| stephenfin | \/o | 14:02 |
| efried | #link agenda (updated seconds ago): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:03 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:03 |
| efried | #link Minutes (such as they are) from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-06-21.00.html | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| efried | we skipped last meeting due to low attendance and interest | 14:03 |
| efried | #topic Release News | 14:04 |
| efried | #link nova 19.0.1 (stein) released https://review.opendev.org/661376 | 14:04 |
| efried | #link m1 release for os-vif (merged) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663642/ | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:04 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:04 |
| efried | #link 89 new untriaged bugs (up 7! since the last meeting (2w ago)): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:04 |
| efried | #link 12 untagged untriaged bugs (up 2 since the last meeting (2w ago)): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| efried | stop me any time if you have something under one of these topics | 14:04 |
| mriedem | lots of bugs going up | 14:05 |
| mriedem | few people doing triage | 14:05 |
| mriedem | we use to average in the low 70s for open bugs | 14:05 |
| efried | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:05 |
| efried | #help need help with bug triage | 14:05 |
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| efried | should we have a bug smash day? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | idk | 14:05 |
| mriedem | this isn't even reviewing patches, it's triaging reported stuff | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I can raise the point internally FWIW | 14:06 |
| efried | yeah, so like a "bug triage day" | 14:06 |
| efried | thanks bauzas | 14:06 |
| bauzas | efried: send an email and I'll forward | 14:06 |
| mriedem | idk, if we just had more cores triaging 1-2 bugs per day / week we'd keep it under control | 14:06 |
| bauzas | tell me that | 14:07 |
| efried | #action efried to (delegate? or) send email complaining about climbing bug numbers | 14:07 |
| mriedem | emphasize fixing the shit we've already broken before putting in new broken shit | 14:07 |
| artom | mriedem, is there like a checklist or something for triaging bugs? | 14:07 |
| * gibi feels the pressure | 14:07 | |
| efried | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:07 |
| mriedem | clearly this is all gibi's fault :P | 14:08 |
| artom | As in, what status to set when, affected releases, etc | 14:08 |
| artom | Thanks efried | 14:08 |
| efried | tia for helping, artom :) | 14:08 |
| efried | and if you see holes in ^, please let us know, or edit | 14:08 |
| artom | efried, I'll try, but no promises :( I'll be blunt, unless we internally prioritize that stuff, it's not very exciting work | 14:08 |
| efried | no question | 14:08 |
| artom | I've made half-hearted attempts at having "upstream" days in my week | 14:09 |
| artom | Starting those with a bug triaged or two might be a good beginning | 14:09 |
| bauzas | artom: that's my point, I'll try to make it a priority | 14:09 |
| bauzas | but let's not discuss it here | 14:09 |
| artom | Yeah, we all now it's a problem, and the obvious solution | 14:10 |
| artom | Thanks for reminding us, mriedem | 14:10 |
| efried | Gate status | 14:10 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:10 |
| efried | had a doozy a couple days ago when the gate nodes upgraded their py27 with a breaking backport in the tokenizer | 14:10 |
| efried | stephenfin came to the rescue: https://review.opendev.org/664940 | 14:11 |
| mriedem | we likely need to backport that skip patch to stein http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1804062 | 14:11 |
| mriedem | or that | 14:11 |
| efried | we can backport the real fix ... yeah | 14:11 |
| mriedem | stein is using bionic nodes as well | 14:11 |
| efried | I thought someone already proposed the backport of the skip patch | 14:11 |
| mriedem | lyarwood did https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664841/ | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:12 |
| efried | but yes, we should backport the fix. | 14:12 |
| stephenfin | I can do that now | 14:12 |
| efried | gross, merge conflict. Thanks stephenfin | 14:13 |
| efried | 3rd party CI | 14:13 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:13 |
| mriedem | gotta cherry pick it on top of the skip change | 14:13 |
| efried | mm | 14:14 |
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| efried | I've noticed a resurgence in activity in PowerVM (still pay a little bit of attention over there) - they're on the path to getting their CI green again. | 14:14 |
| efried | The new people are themselves very green, in a different way. But coming along. | 14:15 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:15 | |
| efried | any? | 14:15 |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:15 |
| efried | #link Stein regressions: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/005637.html | 14:15 |
| efried | bug 1824435 still pending | 14:15 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:15 |
| efried | stein release 19.0.1 happened | 14:15 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:15 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:15 | |
| openstack | bug 1824435 in OpenStack Compute (nova) stein "fill_virtual_interface_list migration fails on second attempt" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824435 | 14:16 |
| mriedem | i'm working on flushing rocky so we can do a release | 14:16 |
| efried | I heard rumblings that mriedem wants to get a rocky release going soon | 14:16 |
| mriedem | you can probably remove that stein regressions line from the agenda now | 14:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | just read scrollback i was planning to do an os-vif release today/tomorow so its unforunet that a release was jsut done with out the ovs-dpdk feature :( but anyway ill propose the new release when it does. | 14:17 |
| mriedem | that doesn't apply to stable right? | 14:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | the dpdk feature does not but there is a stable stine backport i want to land | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | to fix tox/the mock_open bug | 14:18 |
| mriedem | a stable branch release for a unit test fix is likely not super important | 14:18 |
| mriedem | the dpdk feature on master would get released at t-2 unless we do an early release for some reason (if something depends on it) | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya we can decide after the backport | 14:19 |
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| efried | moving on? | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: we need the release to merge the nova use of it | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: yes we can move on | 14:20 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:20 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 14:20 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006994.html | 14:20 |
| efried | #link Spec for can_split is dead/deferred unless someone speaks up https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658510/ | 14:20 |
| efried | #link Spec for the rest of nested magic is undergoing deep discussion on one last (?) edge case https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662191/ | 14:20 |
| efried | #link spec for rg/rp mappings is merged https://docs.openstack.org/placement/latest/specs/train/approved/placement-resource-provider-request-group-mapping-in-allocation-candidates.html | 14:20 |
| efried | #link WIP for rg/rp mappings https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662245/ | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:20 | |
| efried | We might be getting close on the nested magic 1 discussion, see review | 14:20 |
| efried | melwitt expressed concern yesterday about how such discussions impact the timeline of the work, so this is worth mentioning to the nova team: | 14:21 |
| efried | We (placement team) are not strictly observing merge-spec-before-code rules. | 14:21 |
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| efried | We have already cut a new microversion with one of the features in the spec. | 14:21 |
| efried | and can continue to do so with the components that are not contentious. | 14:21 |
| efried | and the one that is contentious right now is pretty corner-y and not in the critical path for things like NUMA affinity | 14:22 |
| efried | any questions etc about placement-as-relates-to-nova? | 14:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | that being can_split | 14:22 |
| efried | no | 14:22 |
| efried | can_split is dead | 14:23 |
| stephenfin | RIP | 14:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | right i thought that was the contentious one | 14:23 |
| artom | FWIW, I tried to get our PMs to react - nothing came of it | 14:23 |
| artom | Maybe it's because they're both French | 14:23 |
| efried | we found a new one | 14:23 |
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| artom | As in, holidays | 14:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok ill try to catch up outside the meeting | 14:23 |
| efried | Ah. I did some internal poking as well, and also asked the starlingx ML. Radio silence. | 14:23 |
| efried | (on can_split ^ ) | 14:24 |
| mriedem | as far as i know nothing *active* on the nova side is being blocked by the placement nested magic stuff | 14:24 |
| efried | yeah, sean-k-mooney lmk if you want me te tldr it for you. | 14:24 |
| efried | (after the meeting) | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: well that depend there a few numa feature like vgpu numa affintiy | 14:24 |
| efried | mriedem: The one melwitt brought up yesterday was effectively: "Do we need the VGPU affinity spec at all" | 14:24 |
| artom | efried, sean-k-mooney, so can_split's death means nova will need to uncouple NUMA topologies from CPU pinning and stuff? Can discuss after the meeting | 14:25 |
| efried | dammit, I'm just a half second late all day today | 14:25 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: that spec isn't dependent on placement | 14:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | that we are proposing workaroudn for to not need to depend on it | 14:25 |
| efried | this ^ | 14:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | it isnt but we went out of our way to make that be the case | 14:25 |
| efried | mriedem: correct, the spec does not depend on placement, that's the point. It's a workaround assuming we don't have placement support. I would prefer to get rid of it and use the placement support. | 14:25 |
| mriedem | so let me ask, | 14:26 |
| mriedem | of the people that care about that nova spec (bauzas, sean-k-mooney, melwitt, et al) - how many are reviewing the placement nested magic spec? | 14:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: right but we dont want to block that feature or other again waiting for that supprot | 14:26 |
| efried | melwitt is | 14:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | i am too | 14:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think bauzas has skimmed it and is aware of it | 14:27 |
| efried | melwitt also asked who was on the impl and if we wanted help. There's code proposed for some of it, in various stages of WIP. | 14:28 |
| efried | #link rp/rg mappings microversion series (of 2 patches) starting at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662785/ | 14:28 |
| efried | ^ has one +2 already | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | am i the only one gerrit is broken for currently by the way | 14:29 |
| efried | #link WIP resourceless request groups https://review.opendev.org/657510 | 14:30 |
| efried | #link also WIP resourceless request groups https://review.opendev.org/663009 | 14:30 |
| efried | sean-k-mooney: working for me | 14:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | :( ok | 14:30 |
| efried | Much of the feature work isn't especially hard. It's the requirements/design that has been hard. | 14:30 |
| efried | so | 14:30 |
| efried | volunteers would be welcomed. | 14:30 |
| efried | but probably not critical for closure. | 14:31 |
| efried | moving on? | 14:31 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:31 |
| efried | Updates on ML- #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006958.html | 14:31 |
| efried | ^ from week before last, I don't see one this week. | 14:32 |
| efried | gmann: anything to add? | 14:32 |
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| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:33 |
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| efried | any? | 14:33 |
| efried | #topic Review status page | 14:34 |
| efried | http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 14:34 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:34 | |
| mriedem | that reminds me, | 14:34 |
| artom | Presumably only cores can do this? For instance, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/522106 has had to repsonse to -1 in 1.5 years, can be force-abandonned? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | we can probably drop the remove-cells-v1 series from runways now can't we? | 14:34 |
| artom | *has had no | 14:34 |
| mriedem | artom: i've looked at that one, | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: Is someone can hit this one patch then yes | 14:35 |
| mriedem | and rather than abandon i'd like someone to just take it over | 14:35 |
| efried | but yes artom, cores can force-abandon in general | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660950/ | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | actually, it's all cleanup. Yeah, remove it | 14:35 |
| mriedem | artom: most of the review comments in that change are nits from what i can tell | 14:35 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: will do | 14:36 |
| artom | mriedem, I mean, since I brought it up I guess I have to now? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | (remove run runways) | 14:36 |
| mriedem | artom: no, you can just be a bad person | 14:36 |
| mriedem | it's fine | 14:36 |
| mriedem | it's the world we live in now :) | 14:36 |
| artom | There's a place in hell with my name on it | 14:36 |
| efried | we've discussed doing a force-abandon-anything-older-than-X. So far we haven't done it. I guess I prefer mindful looks like we've been doing, despite that being much slower. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | same - a lot of the time there are just nits or a missing test or something on an otherwise obvious/reasonable fix | 14:37 |
| artom | efried, in that case we might want to maintain a list "plz someone else own this" somewhere | 14:38 |
| efried | Anyway, I think I'm going to start tracking this like our bug queue, listing the total (+/- from last time) and the highest score on the list. Not that I expect any action to come of it, but it'll be fun to see the numbers go down... | 14:38 |
| efried | artom: That's a good idea. Someone should make an etherpad... | 14:38 |
| artom | Oh god I signed for another thing didn't I? | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 14:38 |
| * stephenfin politely disagrees | 14:38 | |
| efried | ^ with what stephenfin? | 14:39 |
| stephenfin | The "plz someone else own this" list | 14:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we think its still relevent then i think it makes sense | 14:39 |
| stephenfin | We all have enough work to do. If it's a significant issue, someone will stumble upon it again in the future | 14:39 |
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| sean-k-mooney | if its just old stuff that no longer relevent we can abandon | 14:39 |
| artom | stephenfin, I don't see the harm in having a list - no one has to look at it | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I assumed the list was more for folks outside the usual folks who want to join in? maybe I am too optimistic? | 14:40 |
| stephenfin | Fair. I just didn't want you wasting your time :) | 14:40 |
| aspiers | Counter-argument is that people (a.k.a. unicorns) with free time might be able to use the list to pick up stuff | 14:40 |
| artom | stephenfin, I can't really populate it - except that one patch I mentioned | 14:40 |
| stephenfin | If others think it'll be useful, go for it. Just noting _I_ won't personally use it | 14:40 |
| artom | But I can create it | 14:40 |
| efried | yup. Add near "low-hanging fruit" link on our wiki page | 14:40 |
| artom | Which is, like, 5 seconds | 14:40 |
| artom | What's the bot thing for action item? | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | artom: #action | 14:41 |
| stephenfin | I think... | 14:41 |
| aspiers | yup | 14:41 |
| efried | like other things (e.g. themes, cf ptg discussion) it's useful for people who find it useful; others can ignore, no harm no foul | 14:41 |
| artom | #action artom to create etherpad for "plz someone else own this" and link to low-hanging fruit section of wiki | 14:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: i think efried has to do it | 14:41 |
| efried | s/to/from/ | 14:42 |
| efried | thanks artom | 14:42 |
| efried | eh? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | meeting chairs add actions | 14:42 |
| efried | oh, the #action thing. | 14:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | i didnt think the bot listened to everyone | 14:42 |
| efried | okay. | 14:42 |
| * artom storms off in a huff and pouts in a corner | 14:42 | |
| efried | #action artom to create etherpad for "plz someone else own this" and link from near low-hanging fruit section of wiki | 14:42 |
| efried | we'll see if it shows up twice | 14:42 |
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| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:42 |
| stephenfin | did we ever do anything with that review priorities in Gerrit thing | 14:42 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: ironically the patch used as an example here is for docs | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | which you're a big fan of | 14:42 |
| mriedem | and pushed fora release theme | 14:42 |
| stephenfin | oh | 14:42 |
| stephenfin | well then artom should just ask me :) | 14:43 |
| efried | stephenfin: no, nothing with review priorities in gerrit | 14:43 |
| artom | stephenfin, or. OR! you should just listen ;) | 14:43 |
| efried | I think we concluded (at least for now) that it's too heavyweight and we don't have a crisp view of what it should look like anyway. | 14:43 |
| efried | We have three open discussion topics on the agenda | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we still want to do it its fairly simple to update the project-config repo to add teh lables | 14:43 |
| efried | and ~15 minutes left | 14:43 |
| stephenfin | artom: Sorry, I just saw something fluffy and am going chasing it | 14:43 |
| stephenfin | where were we? | 14:43 |
| efried | (mriedem): Any interest in adding a rally job to the experimental queue? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006769.html | 14:43 |
| mriedem | i didn't add that to the agenda so i'm not speaking to it :) | 14:44 |
| artom | Didn't we talk last week about dwindling gate resources? | 14:44 |
| mriedem | experimental queue is on-demand | 14:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | experimenal is manually triggered but it also has a lot of stuff in it | 14:44 |
| * artom stands corrected | 14:44 | |
| efried | oh. Who added the agenda item then? | 14:44 |
| efried | if nobody speaks up Ima skip it | 14:44 |
| mriedem | efried: i should say i don't remember adding it | 14:45 |
| mriedem | maybe i did in a blackout, idk | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | personlaly if we add it i would poroably make it a periodic job | 14:45 |
| mriedem | the interesting part from that thread is neutron has a rally job with visualizations for the time spent in a given flow | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | but it sound like we dont really see the need | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | at least for now | 14:45 |
| efried | Okay, let's move on. Someone re-add it next week if there's interest and further discussion needed. | 14:45 |
| efried | (shilpasd) Forbidden Aggregate Filters: automatic (un)traiting of host providers (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/thread.html#6950) | 14:45 |
| mriedem | i for one assume we have lots of poorly performing code in nova but nobody profiles so nobody knows | 14:45 |
| artom | mriedem, we run performance/scale tests internally | 14:46 |
| artom | So there's that | 14:46 |
| mriedem | artom: like 12 months after we release upstream yeah? | 14:46 |
| artom | mriedem, you're being optimistic | 14:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | :) yes and i dont know where teh data actully goes form those test either | 14:46 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, I've seen a couple of reports on rhos-dev ML | 14:47 |
| mriedem | right - i don't hear about that scale testing resulting in fixes coming back upstream | 14:47 |
| mriedem | CERN is usually the one saying scaling sucks | 14:47 |
| artom | mriedem, to be honest a lot of it is finding misconfigurations :/ | 14:47 |
| artom | I think last time we discovered we were using the wrong hash algorithms in keystone tokens or something | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | so back to the forbidden aggrage filters topic | 14:47 |
| efried | (shilpasd) Forbidden Aggregate Filters: automatic (un)traiting of host providers (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/thread.html#6950) | 14:47 |
| efried | tldr the "strict isolation using forbidden aggregates" work in nova has a question on the ML, linked above, about automatic traiting (and especially UNtraiting) of providers to enable this feature. | 14:47 |
| artom | Just saying, it's *something* Not the best, but something | 14:48 |
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| sean-k-mooney | efried: were we settling on just extending the osc-placement plugin to add a command to add/remove traits | 14:48 |
| efried | What we *could* do is, when you add "required traits" metadata to an aggregate, or when you add a host to such an aggregate, we *could* automatically add those traits to the RPs. So it would be one step to set up your "strict isolation". | 14:48 |
| mriedem | sean-k-mooney: the osc plugin already does that | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | form the root RPs in the aggrate? | 14:49 |
| mriedem | oh traits per aggregate... | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i can't even remember now what that spec said | 14:49 |
| efried | But then what do you do when you remove a host from such an aggregate, or remove a trait from such an aggregate? Do you remove it from the hosts? | 14:49 |
| efried | The spec said automatically add traits. But it doesn't mention what happens on removal type ops. | 14:49 |
| efried | which is where the thread comes in. | 14:49 |
| efried | Removing traits is really hairy | 14:50 |
| efried | knowing how/when/which to remove | 14:50 |
| efried | so IMO we shouldn't do it. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | the host could be in multiple aggregates yes? | 14:50 |
| efried | But then there's asymmetry between the + and - | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: yes | 14:50 |
| efried | yes, among other tygers | 14:50 |
| mriedem | as in pan tang tygers? | 14:50 |
| efried | so what at least sean-k-mooney and I have agreed on in the thread is: don't muck with RP traits at all, on the + or - side. Make the admin do that part manually. | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | i discirbed how to do it in ~ nlongn time but i also liked efried suggestion of just doing it via the command line | 14:51 |
| mriedem | fwiw there is a reason that the sync_aggregates CLI we have doesn't deal with removals | 14:52 |
| shilpasd | ok | 14:52 |
| mriedem | it *could* but requires a lot of thought | 14:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya its possible to do semi effiently in via the info in the nova database but its notrival to write correctly | 14:52 |
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| mgoddard | o/ | 14:53 |
| efried | so can we agree with this path forward: aggregate ops won't muck with RP traits | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is why i was lean toword dont do it automaticlaly | 14:53 |
| mriedem | aggregate ops as in when you add a host to an aggregate *in nova*? | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: im +1 on that. if someone write the code later to do it automatically and proves it work right i would not be againt it either | 14:53 |
| efried | mriedem: yes | 14:54 |
| efried | or when you add a required trait to an aggregate | 14:54 |
| mriedem | can aggregates have traits? | 14:54 |
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| sean-k-mooney | nova host aggages can | 14:54 |
| efried | mriedem: as part of the "forbidden aggs isolation" spec, yes. | 14:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | placmente ones no | 14:54 |
| mriedem | oh i see, the orchestration funbag we have to sync that all up | 14:54 |
| mriedem | guess i should read that spec again | 14:55 |
| efried | yes. The proposal is: syncing to host RPs should be done manually, not automatically via agg ops | 14:55 |
| sean-k-mooney | actully i just thought of another way to do this but ill bring that up on #openstack-nova afterwards | 14:55 |
| efried | Okay. Five minutes, let's hit the last topic please. | 14:55 |
| efried | Ironic "resize" http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/thread.html#6809 | 14:55 |
| efried | mgoddard: thanks for being here | 14:55 |
| mgoddard | efried: np | 14:55 |
| efried | The proposal in the thread is basically: Implement a limited 'resize' for ironic. It's always "same host" (really same-node) and it's very limited to what you can change | 14:56 |
| efried | basically the "deploy template" | 14:56 |
| efried | mgoddard: did I get that more or less right? | 14:57 |
| mriedem | why not pick up and polish off the old fujitsu spec for actually supporting resize for baremetal instances? | 14:57 |
| efried | mriedem: link? | 14:57 |
| mriedem | which i think was pretty close last i reviewed | 14:57 |
| mgoddard | I think so. Resize is like rebuild but keeps changes to the server, correct? | 14:57 |
| mriedem | no | 14:57 |
| TheJulia | mriedem: I think that was about redundancy, failing instances over to hardware with share storage. | 14:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | resize changes the flavor rebuild changes the image | 14:58 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/449155/ | 14:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | so resize keeps your data and may or may not schduled you to another host in the vm case | 14:58 |
| sean-k-mooney | rebuild is always on the same host in the vm case | 14:58 |
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| mgoddard | I see | 14:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | i guess rebuild would be the same for ironic | 14:59 |
| mgoddard | yes | 14:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. same host just reporvios the root disk | 14:59 |
| efried | so the overlap here is: we want to change flavors, keep "data", but stay same host | 14:59 |
| efried | (same node) | 14:59 |
| mriedem | ironic driver in nova already supports rebuild, but we're diverging | 14:59 |
| mriedem | i'd say spec it up | 14:59 |
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| sean-k-mooney | in principal for BFV ironic nodes there is no reason not to supprot resize in general | 15:00 |
| mriedem | we can obviously restrict a resize to the same compute service host and node via request spec | 15:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | posible to a different host | 15:00 |
| mgoddard | is this logic handled within the virt driver, or will we need logic elsewhere to handle an ironic resize? | 15:00 |
| efried | Okay. We're close to spec-ish in the ML, but getting something formal in the specs repo... | 15:00 |
| efried | we're at time. Can we continue in -nova? | 15:00 |
| efried | Thanks all o/ | 15:00 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 15:01:06 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
| fungi | aloha security folks | 15:03 |
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| gagehugo | #topic openstack-security mailing list reassigning | 15:05 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: we talked about this last week | 15:05 |
| fungi | yup, you should have received a notification of the password reset | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | yeah I did last week | 15:05 |
| fungi | if you log into the admin interface with that, you'll see the general page with most of the things we probably want to change | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:06 |
| fungi | chief amongst those is likely the description | 15:07 |
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| fungi | we need some brief (sentence or so worth of) prose explaining that this list receives automated notifications about security-related bugs and code changes | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:08 |
| fungi | i just now updated the subscription rules so that only admins can see the list of subscribers | 15:09 |
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| gagehugo | sure, I can update the description then today | 15:10 |
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| fungi | i've also cleaned up the sender filters just now, as they were full of a bunch of stale whitelisted and blacklisted addresses surely no longer relevant | 15:13 |
| fungi | i left the blanket rules in place for launchpad.net and openstack.org addresses | 15:13 |
| fungi | so that gerrit and lp can continue to send info like they have been | 15:13 |
| fungi | i've also set the moderation bit for all current subscribers and configured it to set the moderation bit for any new subscriber in the future | 15:15 |
| fungi | this way anyone sending to the list other than from those whitelisted sources will hit the moderation queue, even if they're subscribed | 15:15 |
| fungi | i'll endeavor to keep an eye out for any new messages landing in moderation for the next while to make sure we haven't missed whitelisting anything important | 15:16 |
| fungi | and then we can switch the default action from moderate to reject | 15:16 |
| fungi | so we no longer have to keep an eye on that | 15:16 |
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| fungi | there were also a bunch of old messages stuck in moderation (probably a thousand or more). i wasn't going to review each and every one so i discarded them to get us a clean slate | 15:17 |
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| gagehugo | ok | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | sorry got pulled away for a minute | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | #action gagehugo and fungi to transition the mailing list | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | I will come up with a nice description today | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:25 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: did you have anything else? | 15:25 |
| fungi | at this point yeah it's mostly just lacking a corrected description and keeping an eye on the moderation queue until we're satisfied nothing important lands there | 15:25 |
| fungi | the security team autoassignment feature landed in storyboard over the weekend | 15:26 |
| fungi | i haven't played around with getting that set up for the vmt yet | 15:26 |
| fungi | er, auto acl addition | 15:26 |
| fungi | i keep saying assignment, it's not assignment | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | nice | 15:27 |
| fungi | feature so that projects can be marked to auto-add access for specific teams on private stories marked security | 15:27 |
| fungi | this also added separate classifications for private and security stories | 15:27 |
| fungi | if a new story is marked as security when it's being created, it will automatically start out private and has to be edited after creation to make it public | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | ah ok | 15:28 |
| fungi | so that should help reduce the number of people accidentally filing security stories public due to not understanding the interface | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:30 |
| fungi | i don't think i had anything else to bring up this week | 15:33 |
| gagehugo | ok, thanks fungi! | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
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| fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:35 |
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