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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 15:01:32 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:03 |
| fungi | it's a packed agenda | 15:05 |
| fungi | (packed so tightly you can barely see it!) | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | microscopic agenda | 15:05 |
| fungi | so i guess... plenty of time for anyone to raise topics on the fly in here | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | yup | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | I guess we can talk about the openstack-security mailing list? | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | I've been getting emails from it, so someone still uses it | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | I think so anyway | 15:07 |
| * gagehugo could be mixing it up with oss-security | 15:07 | |
| fungi | oss-security != openstack-security | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | I have them both routed to a folder for security stuff | 15:09 |
| fungi | i get messages from openstack-security, but they're pretty much exclusively from the fact that its address is subscribed to all launchpad bugs for projects which are listed as benig part of openstack when the "security" bugtag is applied | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | I see launchpad emitted one this month http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-security/2019-June/005846.html | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | Did we want to see about discontinuing that list? | 15:09 |
| fungi | right, the only other messages it receives are from well-meaning people who have mistakenly thought it was our security contact address | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:10 |
| fungi | so it is somewhat of an attractive nuisance in that regard | 15:10 |
| fungi | right, so here's the current state of the openstack-security ml: | 15:10 |
| fungi | it's basically only being used as to aggregate automated messages and then disseminate them | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | yeah, looking back through the months and that seems to be the case | 15:11 |
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| fungi | that's actually been the case for something like 4 years now | 15:11 |
| fungi | its current description does not reflect that however | 15:12 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security | 15:12 |
| fungi | "A central point for security discussion within OpenStack. Used primarily for project co-ordination within the OpenStack Security Group." | 15:12 |
| fungi | also, the list owner is no longer involved: | 15:12 |
| fungi | "Openstack-security list run by robert.clark at hp.com, hyakuhei at gmail.com" | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | ah | 15:12 |
| fungi | as an administrator of the server that's hosted on, i have the ability to reassign ownership of the list to one or more of us | 15:13 |
| fungi | we have a few options... | 15:13 |
| fungi | we can try to revive the list for its stated purpose (for the record i don't think that's a good idea) | 15:13 |
| fungi | we can keep it for its current actual use and just correct the description and maybe improve the configuration a bit (i'm ambivalent about this one) | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | or just reroute the current notifications to -discuss? | 15:14 |
| gagehugo | and retire it? | 15:15 |
| fungi | or we can shut it down entirely and just leave the archive, yes | 15:15 |
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| gagehugo | I think that would be beneficial for getting more info out on public bugs | 15:15 |
| fungi | i don't think we need to alias its addresses to openstack-discuss since almost no humans try to send messages to it | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:15 |
| fungi | i'm less okay with having launchpad send automated messages to the discussion ml | 15:16 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | is it worth launchpad to continue sending those out? | 15:16 |
| fungi | for example, we do maintain an openstack-stable-maint ml and a release-announce ml and a release-job-failures ml for automated messages | 15:17 |
| fungi | so the current use of openstack-security is in line with those examples if we want to keep it around | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | I think the automated announcements are probably worth keeping imo | 15:18 |
| fungi | in that case, probably the second option i outlined | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | so changing the mailing list's stated purpose | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:18 |
| fungi | we keep it around for now, but correct the config and get active maintainers for it | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | I'm fine with that | 15:18 |
| fungi | i thnik it'll be very low-maintenance because we can explicitly whitelist the senders for those automated systems and then automatically reject mail from anyone else | 15:19 |
| fungi | so no moderation activities required | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | nice | 15:20 |
| fungi | it currently has 586 subscribers (no idea how many of those are defunct and just not bouncing messages back) | 15:20 |
| fungi | for comparison, that's basically half the number of openstack-discuss subscribers, though again it's been around for faaaaar longer | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | hmm ok | 15:21 |
| fungi | and these lists tend to accumulate cruft subscribers | 15:21 |
| fungi | of those 586 subscribers, 17 are set not to receive mail | 15:22 |
| fungi | 120 are set to receive only periodic digests | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:23 |
| fungi | but anyway, it's a fairly large number of subscribers, some proportion of whom do find value in it presumably | 15:23 |
| fungi | and the effort involved in keeping it is minimal | 15:23 |
| fungi | so i'm okay with sprucing it up a little | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | sounds good then | 15:26 |
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| gagehugo | fungi: internet died for a minute if you said anything | 15:30 |
| fungi | #info gagehugo's and fungi's addresses from the VMT contact list have been set as the new owners of the openstack-security ML and the administrative password reset | 15:30 |
| fungi | i was silently doing ^ | 15:31 |
| gagehugo | ok cool | 15:31 |
| fungi | we can sync up later (maybe early next week?) on how we want to reword things there and what options we may want to set/change | 15:31 |
| gagehugo | sure, otherwise it can be a meeting item next week if it's another quiet week haha | 15:32 |
| fungi | i have no problem with that | 15:32 |
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| gagehugo | ok | 15:33 |
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| gagehugo | #action discuss rewording the mailing list description and options to set/change next week | 15:36 |
| gagehugo | fungi: anything else? I will wordsmith this into the weekly newsletter | 15:36 |
| fungi | nothing else from me, thanks! | 15:36 |
| fungi | oh, there are a few things i guess could be mentioned | 15:36 |
| fungi | though also fodder for the newsletter... | 15:37 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:37 |
| fungi | the scientific sig meeting this week featured a discussion on secure computing environments, if anyone here is interested in the transcript or wants to reach out to the participants about anything: | 15:37 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-06-05-11.00.log.html#l-93 scientific sig discussion on secure computing environments | 15:38 |
| fungi | also, the pop-up team proposal for image encryption could use some input: | 15:38 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/661983 Adding Image Encryption as a popup team | 15:39 |
| fungi | oh, and storyboard work is nearly in place for a mechanism to auto-assign security teams to private stories marked "security": | 15:39 |
| gagehugo | nice | 15:40 |
| fungi | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:security-teams security teams feature for storyboard | 15:40 |
| fungi | the api side is in place, and the webclient part is currently under review | 15:41 |
| fungi | and that's all the security-related news i can think of off the top of my head | 15:41 |
| gagehugo | awesome, I added those to the news section | 15:42 |
| gagehugo | thanks fungi! | 15:42 |
| fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:42 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 15:42:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-06-15.01.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-06-15.01.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-06-06-15.01.log.html | 15:43 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 21:00:02 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:02 |
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| efried | Not that I don't love you two, but it's probably not worth going through the agenda formally. | 21:03 |
| efried | takashin, melwitt: Anything y'all want to talk about? | 21:04 |
| efried | or mriedem, cause I know you're out there | 21:04 |
| melwitt | not really | 21:04 |
| takashin | No. | 21:04 |
| efried | Okay. | 21:04 |
| efried | o/ | 21:04 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 21:04:53 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-06-21.00.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-06-21.00.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-06-06-21.00.log.html | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | efried: oops lost track of time :) | 21:07 |
| efried | mriedem: Did you have anything to discuss? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | nope | 21:07 |
| efried | cool, then you didn't miss anything. | 21:07 |
| mriedem | takashin had to wake up early for nothing | 21:08 |
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