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| ianychoi | Hello! Anyone for I18n meeting? | 07:00 |
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| plutoinmii | yes | 07:06 |
| plutoinmii | this is Horace. | 07:06 |
| plutoinmii | good afternoon, Ian. | 07:06 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:06 |
| plutoinmii | ianychoi: good afternoon. | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, HI! | 07:07 |
| plutoinmii | first time to join IRC meeting. | 07:07 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | Nice to see u in IRC! | 07:08 |
| plutoinmii | i sent meeting notice to openstack translators wechat group, but not sure who will be online today. | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | That's fine :) | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | (I am finding some commands... to open a meeting) | 07:09 |
| plutoinmii | sure..take your time. | 07:09 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | #startmeeting openstack_i18n_meeting | 07:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 30 07:09:48 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | I have finally found it :) | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | #topic open discussion | 07:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:10 | |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, so are u in Beijing? :) | 07:10 |
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| plutoinmii | ianychoi: I am in Shanghai. | 07:11 |
| plutoinmii | :-) | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | Aha I see :) | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | Although it is so near from Korea, I have never been to China unfortunately. | 07:11 |
| plutoinmii | come to Shanghai this Nov!! | 07:12 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | Sure - I have strong willingness to go there :) | 07:12 |
| plutoinmii | hope there is an i18n meeting on PTG this time as well. | 07:12 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | For I18n team, Daisy previously initiated translation team in OpenStack world | 07:12 |
| plutoinmii | told by the previous China interface a little bit. I got chance to have a call with Daisy several months ago. | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | Wow :) How is she? | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | I joined in the translation team from 2014 - at that time I think we all translation team have communicated well. | 07:13 |
| plutoinmii | She is good, still in IBM. I was told her new focus is about containers, and she is more focused in K8S recently. | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | And time goes... now I feel that I18n core governance and the governance in language teams have some distance. | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | Good I so miss her... :) | 07:15 |
| plutoinmii | wasn't got the chance to experience the golden era of i18n team, but would like to learn a bit and support to revive it. | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | So, this release cycle, as PTL, I would like to have more communication with active translators how the team needs to continue. | 07:15 |
| plutoinmii | currently Chinese translators are not very active, I saw 1-2 are still responding. | 07:16 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for kind words :) | 07:16 |
| plutoinmii | and also I am not sure the priority of the translation tasks and what the roadmap is. | 07:16 |
| plutoinmii | ianychoi: sure, agree to comminucate more. | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | When I experienced some previous release cycles - Mitaka, Newton, Ocata, Pike, Queens, and so on, there were some attendees on PTGs or Design Summits, so we had conversation for translation priorities. | 07:17 |
| ianychoi | Unfortunately, this PTG, I couldn't go there - Frank were there but we have not discussed a lot on translation priority | 07:18 |
| plutoinmii | do we generally translate the release note of each cycle? or what documentations we put on the list? | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | For translation priority, generally, I18n team update on https://translate.openstack.org/ | 07:18 |
| plutoinmii | got it. i will take a look. | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | For plans, it can be different by different categories. | 07:19 |
| plutoinmii | Train Dashboard translation | 07:19 |
| plutoinmii | Documentation translation Dashboard | 07:19 |
| plutoinmii | I18n contributor guide translation | 07:19 |
| plutoinmii | these are the three, right? | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | For dashboards, since dashboards are in development during release cycle, some strings can be changed a lot. | 07:20 |
| plutoinmii | i see. | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | So, generally, translators are more engaged on especially around Soft StringFreeze: https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | Soft StringFreeze means that development projects try to freeze strings as much as possible for documentation and translation. | 07:21 |
| plutoinmii | these are useful info. thanks a lot! | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | And Hard StringFreeze means that strings will not changed without proper exception - if there are still more activities on translations, I can ask for projects e.g., please release RC2, RC3, and so on with more translation resources.. | 07:22 |
| plutoinmii | i would like to summarize these basic info in Chinese and share in wechat group, so that others could understand basic working flow. | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | So for dashboard translation, the best period would be from around Soft StringFreeze to one week / a few days before Hard StringFreeze | 07:23 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot :) If it is fine, please share via any blog (in Chinese should be fine) and share a link with I18n team :) | 07:24 |
| plutoinmii | does it matter is translation falls into after Hard StringFreeze? | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | Around Hard StringFreeze, project teams package software as a package (e.g., v12.0.0) | 07:24 |
| plutoinmii | so translations will be packed in the package as well, and it would be not possible to change it afterwards? | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | If translation lands after such package release, then I need to ask to project teams: e.g., please create a new branch (e.g., v12.0.1) including up to date translation | 07:25 |
| plutoinmii | got it.. | 07:25 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | Ideally projects can handle but in reality, for example, the branch sources will be shared with Red Hat, Canonical, and so on. | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | The vendor's update will be slower | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | (Not ideal explanation.. but I think it would be easy to understand to you, hopefully) | 07:27 |
| plutoinmii | it does. | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | And.. for releasenotes, since versions are just increased, we only translate in master branch | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | So anytime you can translate releasenotes | 07:28 |
| ianychoi | But.. projects which have >=75% translations run sync jobs between Zanata and project repos | 07:28 |
| plutoinmii | okay | 07:29 |
| ianychoi | And I need to sync with Foundation but I will share when user-survey needs to be translated :) | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will ask Foundation for user-survey translation | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | How many members are in Chinese wechat group? | 07:31 |
| plutoinmii | 94 | 07:34 |
| plutoinmii | but not many of them are responding. | 07:34 |
| ianychoi | Aha I see | 07:35 |
| plutoinmii | i am seeing any chance if a solid plan or detailed task was set up so as to communicate in the group. | 07:35 |
| plutoinmii | I feel they are not responding because they don't know how to start with, like me. | 07:35 |
| plutoinmii | if more guidance or info could be shared, it might be helpful. | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | Aha... thanks a lot - if it is possible, would you see https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/zh_CN/index.html and share your feedback? | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | For example, which is useful / not useful, which things need to be more described, and so on | 07:37 |
| plutoinmii | this is good. I involved in part of the translation to this guide, I think. | 07:37 |
| plutoinmii | I will take a look and share feedback. | 07:37 |
| plutoinmii | should I create an "action" as well? :-) | 07:38 |
| ianychoi | Not should but it would be so nice :) | 07:40 |
| plutoinmii | #action plutoinmii share feedback after reviewing zh_CN translation guide | 07:40 |
| ianychoi | Thank you :) | 07:42 |
| plutoinmii | no problem. | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | And for official team -> working group, do you have any question? | 07:43 |
| plutoinmii | what would be the difference between current team and working group. | 07:44 |
| ianychoi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/common/governance.html | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | I think this link explain better than my previous explanation through e-mail | 07:45 |
| plutoinmii | WG = SIG? | 07:46 |
| ianychoi | yep | 07:46 |
| plutoinmii | SIG will not get space on PTG? | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | Some active SIGs can get a space - I am not sure the detail logistics but we can say that "Every official projects should get space, and SIGs might have space" | 07:47 |
| ianychoi | Honestly, there might have little difference on detail activities I believe. | 07:48 |
| plutoinmii | yes, noticed there is a list of activity guarantees as a project team instead of working group. | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | But, we might have weaker relationship with Technical Committee | 07:49 |
| plutoinmii | i am okay with it and have no question to operate as a working group. | 07:49 |
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| ianychoi | And.. my worry is related with some change on a statement "Translation >=300 words would get ATC" | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | This might be removed | 07:50 |
| ianychoi | And.. one more imagination might be there might have no PTL election activities :( | 07:51 |
| plutoinmii | right...these are all projects team guaranteed. | 07:51 |
| plutoinmii | how many translators in total around i18n team? | 07:52 |
| plutoinmii | globally. | 07:52 |
| ianychoi | I don't have up-to-date statistics but https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/atc-stats.html#train-cycle might be helpful :) | 07:53 |
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| plutoinmii | this is helpful. I see more zh_CN translators than I've thought. | 07:54 |
| plutoinmii | w | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:55 |
| ianychoi | But as you see, translation ratio is getting decreased unfortunately | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, it is really great to see you! | 07:57 |
| plutoinmii | same here! ianychoi | 07:58 |
| plutoinmii | thanks for sharing these guidance and info with me, it is a good start for me. | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | I18n team has IRC meetings weekly but alternating time - next week it will start from midnight (your timezone) but two weeks later it will start the same as today | 07:58 |
| plutoinmii | okay. | 07:59 |
| plutoinmii | i will see which timeslot best works for me. | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, by the way, I am not sure but would it be fine if I nominate you as a language coordinator in Chinese team in Zanata? | 07:59 |
| plutoinmii | yes, that is for sure. | 07:59 |
| ianychoi | (Or already language coordinator? not sure) | 08:00 |
| plutoinmii | vuuv asked if I could become the coordinator as he recently got working position change. | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for today meeting! I would like to close this meeting if there are not no more issues | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. vuuv.. I see | 08:00 |
| plutoinmii | i said yes, but not sure how to operate it or announce it. | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | I thought you were mentioning zzxwill | 08:00 |
| plutoinmii | but would like to help on coordinating the translation effort. | 08:01 |
| ianychoi | Yep fine - a existing coordinator asks to you and you share your willingness here :) | 08:01 |
| ianychoi | I will share also via I18n mailing list - would it be okay? | 08:01 |
| ianychoi | (closing for future possible meetings) | 08:03 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 30 08:03:04 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-05-30-07.09.html | 08:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-05-30-07.09.txt | 08:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-05-30-07.09.log.html | 08:03 |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, thanks a lot! :) | 08:03 |
| plutoinmii | sounds good to me. nice to talk to you, ianychoi | 08:03 |
| plutoinmii | keep in touch | 08:03 |
| ianychoi | plutoinmii, sure! | 08:04 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 30 14:00:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| artom | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:01 |
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| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 14:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 14:02 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-05-23-21.00.html | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| efried | I think the only update from here is to mention that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-consoleauth got the necessary federal background check and has now been approved. | 14:03 |
| efried | stephenfin: just noticed this isn't tagged against a release - assume you're planning to do this in Train? | 14:03 |
| stephenfin | (y) | 14:03 |
| efried | k, fixed | 14:03 |
| efried | anything else from last meeting? | 14:03 |
| efried | #topic Release News | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| efried | I'm thinking it might be a good idea to do a spec scrub soon | 14:04 |
| stephenfin | Ooh, yes please | 14:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 14:05 | |
| cdent | ya | 14:05 |
| efried | How does next Tuesday grab y'all? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | wfm | 14:05 |
| gibi | mostly wfm | 14:05 |
| gmann | +1 | 14:06 |
| efried | #action efried to post on ML re spec review sprint Tuesday June 4th | 14:06 |
| efried | anything else release newsy? | 14:06 |
| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:06 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 14:06 |
| efried | #link 82 new untriaged bugs (down 3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:06 |
| efried | #link 10 untagged untriaged bugs (down 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:06 |
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| efried | any bugs in the spotlight? | 14:07 |
| efried | Gate status | 14:07 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:07 |
| efried | 3rd party CI | 14:07 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:07 |
| efried | zuul has seemed ungodsly slow lately | 14:07 |
| mriedem | were we going to put up patches to log a warning on start of drivers that don't have 3rd party ci? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | at least xenapi, | 14:07 |
| mriedem | sounds like powervm is working on fixing their ci | 14:07 |
| efried | I saw them put up a fix this morning, yah. Haven't caught up on the ML yet todya. | 14:08 |
| efried | today | 14:08 |
| cdent | gee, guess what, vmware's ci was dead again and the keepers took days to notice :( | 14:08 |
| cdent | (but it's been kicked now) | 14:08 |
| efried | mriedem: I remember we agreed to do that, yes. Who's volunteering to put up that patch? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i suppose i can | 14:08 |
| mriedem | give me an action item | 14:09 |
| efried | #action mriedem to propose patch logging warning that xenapi is not supported because no 3pCI | 14:09 |
| efried | thanks mriedem | 14:09 |
| stephenfin | warning or deprecating outright? | 14:09 |
| artom | I guess where's the line between no ci and half & maintained ci, but il leave that for the review | 14:10 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: i was going to start with a warning | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I spoke to bob ball about that, some neutron "bug" is blocking things working | 14:10 |
| stephenfin | I imagine that depends on whether there's anyone in the wild still using it. Might be worth bringing up on openstack-discuss | 14:10 |
| efried | in any case we should be sure to add all the xen folks we know about to that review. | 14:10 |
| stephenfin | Ah, okay. That's fair | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, yeah, +1 the log message warning about removal | 14:10 |
| mriedem | artom: i don't know what you're asking, the xenserver ci has been dead for months | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its a dead ci at this point, we just merge the log message ASAP | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | if it gets removed as the CI becomes stable again, then whoop whoop, go for it | 14:11 |
| cdent | ya | 14:11 |
| efried | cool, moving on. | 14:12 |
| artom | mriedem, just saying that some 3pcis are more reactive than others | 14:12 |
| efried | yeah, we're not deprecating every driver that goes red for two weeks | 14:12 |
| efried | .... | 14:12 |
| efried | Anyone know anything about zuul slowitude? | 14:12 |
| artom | let's move on, I'll nitpick the review ;) | 14:12 |
| mriedem | efried: you'd have to ask infra, but i'm guessing fewer nodes | 14:12 |
| mriedem | http://grafana.openstack.org/d/T6vSHcSik/zuul-status? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | http://grafana.openstack.org/d/T6vSHcSik/zuul-status?orgId=1&fullscreen&panelId=20 | 14:13 |
| efried | those are very pretty | 14:14 |
| efried | fraid I don't really know what I'm looking at though | 14:14 |
| efried | I guess what I really want is for somebody to say, "Yes, it's a known issue, and we're working on it, and it'll all be fixed very very soon, so your jobs will wait in queue for five minutes tops." | 14:15 |
| mriedem | clarkb: fungi: ^ if there are known infra issues can we get a summary in the ML? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i.e. fewer nodes, lots of gate failures, etc | 14:15 |
| cdent | efried: I think to get that you're going to need to have your employer pony up a cloud :( | 14:15 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html is pretty good as far as classification rates | 14:16 |
| efried | I've brought it up | 14:16 |
| cdent | me too. no luck. | 14:16 |
| clarkb | the only known issue I know of is 1 of 12 zuul executors was misconfigured on its mirror node for about 12hours | 14:16 |
| efried | yeah, I don't feel like the spurious failure rate is overly high. It's just taking forever to get a build through. | 14:16 |
| clarkb | 10 hours i guess | 14:16 |
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| efried | clarkb: So is it mainly just a matter of too many jobs, not enough hardware? | 14:16 |
| clarkb | otherwise if you want more throughput we need to run fewer jobs, or make jobs faster, or add resources | 14:17 |
| artom | if we're for real losing gate nodes, do we need to start a conversation about removing some tests? | 14:17 |
| efried | Sounds like a good idea to me. | 14:17 |
| mriedem | here are some ideas | 14:17 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650300/ | 14:18 |
| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/651865/ | 14:18 |
| mriedem | i'm not cool with dropping tests, but being smarter about the jobs we use can be done (and i've tried to do) | 14:18 |
| gmann | we discussed about decreasing the test run in QA PTG. | 14:18 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005871.html | 14:18 |
| gmann | for nova it is just removing the swift test but for other proejct it will be good amount of improvement | 14:18 |
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| efried | forgive my ignorance, but when I see the zuul report in a patch, does each line represent stuff having run on a separate node? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:20 |
| fungi | or sometimes more than one | 14:20 |
| clarkb | also I imagine that every round of cpu vulnerability fixes decreases our throuput by some amount | 14:20 |
| artom | a lot of our unit tests is test_python_works, as edleafe put it | 14:20 |
| clarkb | efried: possibly more than one per line too | 14:20 |
| artom | but improving that is a massive thankless job | 14:20 |
| efried | so it seems like we could e.g. run all the pyXX unit tests on the same node, what harm? | 14:20 |
| fungi | what gain? | 14:20 |
| clarkb | efried: that isnt really much faster because nova already uses all cpus for the tests | 14:21 |
| efried | For those short-running tests, doesn't node setup & teardown consume most of the time? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | not for unit tests | 14:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: not really | 14:21 |
| efried | okay, never mind | 14:21 |
| clarkb | particularly not for nova | 14:21 |
| mriedem | you're thinking devstack + tempest | 14:21 |
| fungi | counter-intuitive. most of our node capacity is consumed by long-running jobs | 14:21 |
| efried | ...and for those we don't want to share nodes because of weird interaction potentials and/or different configs... | 14:22 |
| fungi | optimizing the overhead on fast jobs only gets us a few percent, bar-napkin-math | 14:22 |
| efried | okay, I'll stop | 14:22 |
| efried | so one other thing we could consider | 14:22 |
| efried | is changing the way we do patch series | 14:22 |
| efried | aspiers and I were talking about this yesterday or the day before | 14:22 |
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| gmann | tempest-full run a lot and long . with optimized integrated-gate idea, it will make it faster for many projects | 14:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | efried: how by using more fixup patches at the end? if so that would break the master is always deployable goal | 14:23 |
| efried | the way I've always seen it done, at least in nova, is if you have a series of changes, and you need to fix something on the bottom, you download the whole series, restack, fix the bottom, rebase the rest, and push the whole lot. The top N-1 patches are just rebase with no conflict, but they get to run again in the gate. | 14:23 |
| efried | aspiers was being particularly gate-conservative by only fixing the one bottom patch and leaving the rest with the green tildes on them | 14:24 |
| fungi | yeah, i frequently avoid updating lower patches in a series and just comment that new change <whatever> addresses it | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | right that work in some cases | 14:24 |
| clarkb | the others cant merge unless you push the new commit though | 14:24 |
| fungi | depends on what you need to fix | 14:24 |
| clarkb | because their parent will be outdated | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: or you rely on gerrit to create a merge comit | 14:24 |
| clarkb | sean-k-mooney: doesnt work if it is a stack | 14:25 |
| mriedem | my cross-cell resize gate enablement is at the end of a 40+ patch series, and without rebasing the whole thing i can't get a gate run on the live code | 14:25 |
| mriedem | so not going to work for me in that case | 14:25 |
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| fungi | yeah, gerrit is extra picky about parent changes being in their final state in the dependency relationship | 14:25 |
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| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: i think it does as long as it does not create a merge conflict | 14:25 |
| clarkb | nope gerrit refuses | 14:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | clarkb: ok | 14:25 |
| fungi | try it sometime ;) | 14:25 |
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| fungi | gerrit considers an explicit parent which is out of date as a blocker | 14:26 |
| mriedem | feels like this is tangential to the nova meeting... | 14:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | fungi: i generally collect comments on the serires and address and rebase tehm all in one go | 14:26 |
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| efried | point is, if we as a team try to adopt a more gate-conservative aspiers-ish approach to pushing patches, in or out of series, where possible and practical, it could help gate throughput. | 14:27 |
| efried | moving on | 14:27 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 14:27 |
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| efried | any? | 14:27 |
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| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:28 |
| efried | #link Stein regressions: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/005637.html | 14:28 |
| efried | bug 1824435 still pending | 14:28 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:28 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:28 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:28 |
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| openstack | bug 1824435 in OpenStack Compute (nova) stein "fill_virtual_interface_list migration fails on second attempt" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1824435 | 14:28 |
| mriedem | someone else should probably work on ^ | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i'm not | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i've got a stein release request up as well https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661376/ | 14:29 |
| mriedem | just waiting on the release gods | 14:29 |
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| sean-k-mooney | this is related to the force refresh change correct | 14:31 |
| efried | mriedem: we could bump that hash at this point, had another couple patches merge, including the unversioning of reno docs | 14:31 |
| mriedem | huh? | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: the force refresh of the instance info cache? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure what you're asking me | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | we added a migration to populate the virtual interface table for old instance | 14:31 |
| mriedem | that upgrade ga bug? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:31 |
| mriedem | there were a couple of upgrade issues from that | 14:31 |
| mriedem | some fixed and waiting to release in that stein release patch, | 14:32 |
| mriedem | that other one is still outstanding | 14:32 |
| mriedem | efried: i could rev, but i don't really care to and lose the +2 | 14:32 |
| mriedem | for a docs fix | 14:32 |
| efried | mriedem: nod, I +1d fwiw | 14:32 |
| efried | anything else stable-y? | 14:33 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:33 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 14:33 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006601.html | 14:33 |
| efried | #link Spec for can_split https://review.opendev.org/#/c/658510/ | 14:33 |
| efried | #link Spec for the rest of nested magic https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662191/ | 14:33 |
| efried | #link spec for rg/rp mapping https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657582/ | 14:33 |
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| efried | cdent: your mic | 14:33 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:33 |
| cdent | two main things: | 14:34 |
| cdent | one is that there won't be a placement meeting any more, office hours are being arranged (see email) | 14:34 |
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| efried | #link placement office hours http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006728.html | 14:34 |
| cdent | the other is that can_split is proven to be problematic, an email has been sent out http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006726.html to ask ops if they'll live if we don't do it | 14:34 |
| cdent | people like artom or stephenfin if there are people in RH who should see that please pass it on | 14:35 |
| cdent | that's all | 14:35 |
| artom | cdent, I can get our NFV PM eyes's on that I guess | 14:35 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:36 |
| efried | Per links above, note that can_split is now in its own spec. The other, uncontroversial, bits of nested magic are in https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662191/ | 14:36 |
| artom | (I thought NUMA stuff in placement kinda required can_split to work at all, but I'll read the email) | 14:36 |
| efried | ^ this should be pretty close to approvable, if we could get some nova eyes to make sure it satisfies the use case. | 14:36 |
| efried | artom: I'll be happy to TLDR the issue for you in -nova after this, if the email doesn't suffice. | 14:36 |
| efried | (I haven't read it yet) | 14:36 |
| artom | efried, ack, thanks :) | 14:36 |
| efried | (but probably can't see the forest for the trees anyway) | 14:36 |
| artom | And the squirrels. Don't forget the squirrels. | 14:37 |
| cdent | freakin' everywhere | 14:37 |
| efried | (why must they play chicken with my tires?) | 14:37 |
| efried | moving on | 14:37 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 14:37 |
| efried | Updates on ML- #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006699.html | 14:37 |
| efried | gmann: anything to add? | 14:37 |
| gmann | other than that, policy improvement spec is under review #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/547850/19 | 14:38 |
| gmann | replied on johnthetubaguy comments, we will put more details about exact check_str etc in spec | 14:38 |
| efried | thanks gmann | 14:38 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:38 |
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| efried | any? | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/579897/ came up yesterday | 14:39 |
| mriedem | not sure if cern or ovh are going to pick it up again | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | sounds like mel wants a bp for it | 14:40 |
| mriedem | and should remove a lot of the nvidia specific language from the code comment, | 14:40 |
| mriedem | but otherwise jay dropped his -1 | 14:40 |
| efried | it might be a helpful signal if ^ were represented as a -1 | 14:41 |
| mriedem | idk that it's really a feature, | 14:41 |
| mriedem | it's an existing support that only worked for linux guests | 14:41 |
| mriedem | this makes it work for windows guests | 14:41 |
| efried | and we could pester tssurya to see if cern is still interested in driving it | 14:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i was previous +1 on that patch but stopped reviewing when it became political | 14:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | it looks like its not in merge conflict so if we clean up the paperwork i think its fine to add | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | assuming they still want it | 14:43 |
| mriedem | anyway, we can move on, the action is to find an owner | 14:43 |
| mriedem | i'm sure cern and ovh forgot about it b/c they are already using it in production | 14:43 |
| mriedem | we can move on... | 14:45 |
| efried | ..okay.. | 14:45 |
| efried | #topic Review status page (still NEW) | 14:45 |
| efried | http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 14:45 |
| efried | #help Ideas for how we should use this? | 14:45 |
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| efried | As of last time, someone (sean-k-mooney?) figured out that you can hover over things to figure out how the scores are calculated | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i keep looking at https://review.opendev.org/#/c/361438 when you bring up that link, | 14:46 |
| mriedem | the dependent neutron patch is abandoned, | 14:46 |
| mriedem | therefore i'd like to abandon if unless someone (adrianc from mellanox?) is going to fix it | 14:46 |
| efried | mriedem: ++, go ahead and abandon it please, it can always be restored if they care. | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i'll ask adrianc_ about it, or cfriesen | 14:47 |
| efried | you left that last comment over a month ago. | 14:47 |
| efried | fair warning | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | the dependent patch is over 2 years old aswell | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | and was abandonded in feb 2017 | 14:49 |
| mriedem | ok i abandoned it | 14:49 |
| efried | thanks mriedem | 14:49 |
| efried | So I'm going to throw this out as a suggestion: It would be lovely if each nova team member would grab a patch from the top of that list - something with a 4-digit score - and figure out what needs to be done to make it go away (merge, abandon, whatever) and drive that. | 14:49 |
| efried | mriedem: you're done for the week :) | 14:49 |
| cdent | ten minute warning | 14:50 |
| mriedem | heh, i asked about https://review.opendev.org/#/c/489484 weeks ago too and never got a reply | 14:50 |
| mriedem | from bauzas | 14:50 |
| cdent | why not force abandon any over N days stale and let other people sort it out? | 14:50 |
| efried | I don't have a problem core-abandoning patches that have .... yeah, like that ^ | 14:50 |
| cdent | if it was important, itwill come back around | 14:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | mriedem: bauzas is on PTO today as its a holiday in france | 14:50 |
| efried | let's discuss the specifics of core-abandoning old stuff, separately. | 14:51 |
| efried | so we can move on to | 14:51 |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:51 |
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| efried | any? | 14:51 |
| mriedem | oh i guess it's the 3 month EU summer holiday season | 14:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 14:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | and no items form me | 14:51 |
| efried | Thanks all. | 14:52 |
| efried | o/ | 14:52 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 30 14:52:42 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-05-30-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-05-30-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-05-30-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 30 15:00:08 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
| fungi | hi there | 15:00 |
| nickthetait | hey | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | give it a few minutes before we start, agenda is light this week so far | 15:01 |
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| redrobot | \o | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | #topic Open Discussion | 15:05 |
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| gagehugo | #link https://duo.com/decipher/docker-bug-allows-root-access-to-host-file-system | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | interesting article fungi linked (yesterday?) | 15:06 |
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| gagehugo | otherwise does anyone have anything? | 15:07 |
| nickthetait | i have some good news :) | 15:07 |
| nickthetait | A project I'll be dedicating one workday per week to is updating the security guide docs | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | nice! | 15:08 |
| nickthetait | my goal today is to gague how up to date these bugs are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/ | 15:08 |
| nickthetait | and if there are any obviously missing bugs I should create | 15:09 |
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| fungi | excellent, thank you so much for picking this up! | 15:10 |
| nickthetait | welcome | 15:10 |
| nickthetait | is there somewhere I can get a handle on what security features have been added during a release? Looking at the release notes is a starting point I imagine | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | fungi: speaking of security docs, I emailed the security-doc-core group list, haven't heard back from anyone unfortunately | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | quite a few of the emails were returned as invalid as well | 15:11 |
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| fungi | gagehugo: not surprising | 15:12 |
| fungi | nickthetait: maybe start by going through release highlights? and then move on to release notes | 15:13 |
| nickthetait | okay | 15:13 |
| * fungi gets the highlights link | 15:13 | |
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| fungi | for example... | 15:14 |
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| fungi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/highlights Stein release highlights | 15:14 |
| fungi | the idea is that projects publish a list of their most important developments in a given release | 15:14 |
| nickthetait | thats handy | 15:15 |
| fungi | they go back as far as queens, which is precisely where you wanted to start anyway i think? | 15:15 |
| fungi | (the guide claims to be updated for pike already) | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:15 |
| fungi | quality of the notes may vary, they're primarily meant as a source for media/analyst types drafting press releases | 15:16 |
| nickthetait | nice | 15:16 |
| fungi | but at least they provide a starting point, and should correspond to more detailed stuff in release notes and/or project docs | 15:16 |
| fungi | just require a bit of digging to make those connections probably | 15:17 |
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| nickthetait | and its okay for me to start making noise on these bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/ | 15:20 |
| nickthetait | closing old ones, changing tags, creating new... | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | I would say sure, start triaging things would be ok | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | look into existing ones | 15:22 |
| nickthetait | great | 15:22 |
| nickthetait | ok that's all the questions I have for now | 15:23 |
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| gagehugo | I'll subscribe and follow up on changes then when I can | 15:24 |
| nickthetait | thx | 15:24 |
| fungi | yeah, please do whatever you like with the bug reports | 15:24 |
| fungi | i'd like to promise i could subscribe and follow up on them without prompting, but i doubt i have the bandwidth | 15:25 |
| fungi | however, if there's one you feel needs input from me, please do bring it to my attention | 15:25 |
| nickthetait | I understand that ;) | 15:25 |
| fungi | find me in #openstack-security or feel free to e-mail me or whatever | 15:25 |
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| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone, have a good weekend! | 15:32 |
| gagehugo | nickthetait you can ping me as well if needed or email | 15:33 |
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| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 30 15:33:17 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-05-30-15.00.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-05-30-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-05-30-15.00.log.html | 15:33 |
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| nickthetait | bye | 15:37 |
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