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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 15:01:42 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
| nickthetait | hiya | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | ping fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | aloha | 15:02 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Canceling meetings for May 2nd & May 9th | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Canceling meetings for May 2nd & May 9th (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:03 | |
| * nickthetait nods | 15:04 | |
| fungi | good call. i won't be around for either of those anyway | 15:04 |
| fungi | summit and then a post-summit vacation | 15:04 |
| redrobot | \o | 15:04 |
| nickthetait | :) | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | yeah same, I'm going to be out the next week as well after the summit | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | and people will be busy at the summit/ptg during this time | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | #topic BoF Summit Session | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BoF Summit Session (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
| gagehugo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/events/23742/security-sig | 15:06 |
| nickthetait | oh cool, I can make it to that | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | There's a session for anyone to bring things to the security sig | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-sig-denver-summit | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | made a small etherpad as well | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | hopefully will see you all there! | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | anything else? I think it's been a pretty quiet week on the security front | 15:08 |
| fungi | nothing new which is public yet at any rate | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | redrobot nickthetait: are you both going to be at the summit/ptg? | 15:10 |
| redrobot | I'll be there for sure. | 15:10 |
| nickthetait | just 2 days of summit for me | 15:10 |
| * redrobot is the new Barbican PTL | 15:10 | |
| nickthetait | congrats! | 15:10 |
| redrobot | thanks | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | oh yeah that's right | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | belated grats! | 15:10 |
| redrobot | thanks. Looking forward to meeting/seeing y'all again IRL | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | ++ | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone, safe travels next week! | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 15:11:51 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-25-15.01.html | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-25-15.01.txt | 15:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-25-15.01.log.html | 15:11 |
| nickthetait | later | 15:13 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 21:00:18 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hello | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | eric is running his side hustle transportation business so i'll be your chair | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic Last meeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-18-14.00.html | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | #link Specless bp for libvirt video device models https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-video-device-models | 21:01 |
| mriedem | This was approved today | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic Release News | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | there is no release news | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | bugs: we got'em! | 21:02 |
| mriedem | No Critical bugs | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link 77 new untriaged bugs (up 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #link 11 untagged untriaged bugs (steady since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #help need help with bug triage | 21:02 |
| mriedem | Gate status | 21:02 |
| mriedem | as most of you probably realize, it's nasty right now | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1825435 TestRPC unit tests intermittently fail with "'>' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'datetime.datetime'" - maybe due to "Fatal Python error: Cannot recover from stack overflow." | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1825435 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "TestRPC unit tests intermittently fail with "'>' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'datetime.datetime'" - maybe due to "Fatal Python error: Cannot recover from stack overflow."" [High,Confirmed] | 21:03 |
| mriedem | we have probably a 50% failure rate (or higher) on that bug right now | 21:03 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1825435 | 21:03 |
| melwitt | do you think this bug is responsible for the really long delay before queuing too? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure, that's something i've been wondering too but have been too afraid to ask clarkb/fungi | 21:03 |
| melwitt | same | 21:03 |
| mriedem | but yeah, would be nice if i didn't have to wait 6 hours to get test results on my debug patch | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #help Trying to debug bug 1825435 for over a week now | 21:04 |
| openstack | bug 1825435 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "TestRPC unit tests intermittently fail with "'>' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'datetime.datetime'" - maybe due to "Fatal Python error: Cannot recover from stack overflow."" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825435 | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #link Trying to reproduce with logs https://review.opendev.org/#/c/654468/ | 21:04 |
| melwitt | yeah, I've noticed it takes hours to even get on a CI node | 21:04 |
| fungi | have no fear | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i blame airship! | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i know some node provider was taken out a week or two ago b/c of networking issues thrashing the retries | 21:05 |
| mriedem | before the opendev rename | 21:05 |
| fungi | i think the long queuing time is mostly because we have a bunch of providers turned off... because they run buggy software like openstack ;) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | d'oh | 21:05 |
| melwitt | wah wah.... | 21:05 |
| fungi | no seriously though, i think we're looking at higher volume than usual for a pre-summit week | 21:05 |
| mriedem | ok so hoping that the latest version of https://review.opendev.org/#/c/654468/ will get us a reproduce with a traceback that's usable | 21:05 |
| mriedem | 3rd party CI | 21:06 |
| melwitt | ++ | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:06 |
| mriedem | it looks to me from my unscientific eye that most 3rd party CI has been crushed by the opendev rename | 21:06 |
| fungi | and we *do* have some providers turned off because of network flakiness, and also running into some where they have rogue vms nova doesn't know about squatting ip addresses | 21:06 |
| mriedem | and teams are slow to respond | 21:06 |
| mriedem | fungi: you don't say... https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bug/1820802+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 21:07 |
| mriedem | mayhap those providers would benefit from ^ | 21:07 |
| fungi | yeah, we've had a few (shall we call them "proactive"?) third-party ci operators asking about refused git:// connections or missing refs/changes in their origin remotes | 21:07 |
| melwitt | interesting | 21:07 |
| fungi | and there have been lingering fixes worming their way into devstack too | 21:07 |
| mriedem | ok, well it's good to know it's a known issue | 21:08 |
| mriedem | if they are hitting these orphan vms then it'd be good to up the heat rate on that bug | 21:08 |
| fungi | i doubt all the issues are really known, but i would give them until after the summit to work a lot of them out | 21:08 |
| mriedem | ack | 21:08 |
| fungi | (for the 3pci operators) | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #topic Reminders | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | there are none listed... | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i guess update the retrospective if you haven't yet | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #link retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-train-retrospective | 21:09 |
| mriedem | looks like that's going to be a fast pow wow during the ptg | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| mriedem | #link Stein regressions: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/005242.html | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i just sent an update about ^ | 21:10 |
| mriedem | 3 of the 4 bugs have patches, one is approved | 21:10 |
| mriedem | two are +2ed | 21:10 |
| mriedem | the other doesn't have an active fix being worked | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/pike | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #link final nova release for pike (ready) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/652868/ | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #link pike-em tagging (ready, but will need recheck once ^ merges) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/652869/ | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i'm told the release team hit some tooling issues so the pike-em thing should be happening after that's fixed | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | Placement (cdent) - No meeting this week, cdent on vacation | 21:12 |
| mriedem | API (gmann) - No separate updates. Spec reviews are in progress. | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i'll use this opportunity to plug for reviews on gmann's API inconsistency cleanup spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/603969/ | 21:12 |
| mriedem | it's on the PTG agenda, but would be good for cores to have read it before then | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:13 | |
| mriedem | there is nothing on the agenda - any stuck reviews to bring up here? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #topic Forum Planning | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:13 | |
| mriedem | there are several forum sessions linked into the meeting agenda | 21:13 |
| mriedem | get the app and start planning your schedule | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #topic PTG Planning | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| mriedem | #link PTG: Nova etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-train | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i know eric has been trying to shuffle things and has a rough schedule layed out at the bottom | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i look forward to seeing his head explode when people talk waaayyy past their time | 21:14 |
| mriedem | muwahahaha | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #topic Open discussion | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
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| mriedem | there is one thing on the agenda from efried i think | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #link blueprint for integrating openstacksdk and replacing use of python-*client https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstacksdk-in-nova | 21:15 |
| mriedem | he asks: | 21:15 |
| mriedem | Does this need a spec? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | Is this something we can get behind? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i read the description before the meeting and left a comment | 21:15 |
| mriedem | tl;dr i'd like to get some more feedback from operators since this is going to affect them the most, and to know if other services are using the sdk like this | 21:16 |
| mriedem | otherwise i see the benefit but i'm meh+.5 | 21:16 |
| mriedem | openstack service devs using the sdk would improve the sdk for all users, which is a great long-term benefit | 21:16 |
| melwitt | yeah, I guess, | 21:16 |
| melwitt | when I read that I wonder, what about what has been said before about replacing stuff in novaclient with openstacksdk | 21:17 |
| melwitt | I'm hazy on remembering what those discussions were about | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i don't remember talking about replacing things within novaclient with the sdk, | 21:17 |
| melwitt | that is, if novaclient used openstacksdk, wouldn't we get that by default in nova | 21:18 |
| mriedem | but we've talked about replacing osc's usage of novaclient with the sdk | 21:18 |
| melwitt | ok, maybe that's what I'm thinking about | 21:18 |
| mriedem | nova the server doesn't use novaclient :) | 21:18 |
| melwitt | oh..... yeah :( ugh, sorry. | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | i think the overall pros are (1) drop nova's use of all the various clients and use one thing, (2) which allows you to configure just clouds.yaml for all the services nova uses rather than all the various glance/ironic/keystone/neutron/cinder/barbican config entries | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but i'm not seeing either of those as being big motivators for me personally | 21:20 |
| melwitt | yeah. I feel similarly, sounds like a fine idea but not sure how beneficial compared to other things | 21:20 |
| mriedem | since we seem to be the only two here caring about this, i don't think we need to make a decision today and can talk about it more at the ptg | 21:21 |
| melwitt | like openstacksdk instead of novaclient and getting parity with novaclient | 21:21 |
| melwitt | in osc | 21:21 |
| melwitt | yeah, agreed | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yeah i think closing gaps on osc is more important | 21:21 |
| mriedem | but that doesn't mean the people that want to work on this are going to work on that, so shrug | 21:21 |
| melwitt | true | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #action discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstacksdk-in-nova with more people at the ptg | 21:22 |
| mriedem | that's it for the agenda - anything else for open discussion? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | alright we'll end the meeting then, see some of you next week | 21:23 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 21:23:14 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-25-21.00.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-25-21.00.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-25-21.00.log.html | 21:23 |
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