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| gmann | melwitt: noted. reviewing those tempest patches. | 04:40 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 15 14:02:24 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | Hi there | 14:02 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | let's wait a minute | 14:03 |
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| haleyb | hi | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815361 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815361 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for binding activate and deactivate in sriov mechanism driver" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Adrian Chiris (adrian.chiris) | 14:06 |
| slaweq | I'm not an sriov expert but for me this one looks reasonable and pretty easy - no API changes, no DB changes, only backend implementation | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | yes, I also think it makes perfect sense | 14:09 |
| amotoki | yeah, i think so. | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | when I implemented multiple port binding, I didn't do this one because I didn't have a way to test it | 14:09 |
| amotoki | that's fair enough | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | Adrian (submitter) works for Mellanox in Israel. I met him personally in Berlin. So he has all he needs to test it | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | I am not sure whether we really need to bump RPC version but it can be discussed in a review. otherwise it sounds reasonable and is limited to a driver. | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | so my vote is +1 | 14:12 |
| slaweq | amotoki: yes, that is IMO implementation detail to discuss during review | 14:12 |
| slaweq | +1 from me :) | 14:12 |
| amotoki | me too | 14:12 |
| haleyb | +1 | 14:12 |
| * mlavalle documenting approval | 14:12 | |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815827 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815827 in neutron "[RFE] neutron-lib: rehome neutron.object.base along with rbac db/objects" [Wishlist,New] | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | and submitter, boden, just joined us | 14:16 |
| boden | howdy | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | boden: the pace in this meeting is a bit slower than in the weekly meeting. We give time to drivers to read and ponder | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | and then ask | 14:17 |
| boden | no worries... got coffee and code here to keep me busy | 14:17 |
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| slaweq | for me it looks completly reasonable - neutron ovo objects are used in many stadium/3rd party projects so it should be moved to neutron-lib IMO | 14:19 |
| slaweq | but this will be probably same long process as rehoming db api and extensions, right? | 14:19 |
| boden | to me the main thing we haven't agreed upon before is the rehoming of the RBAC DB stuff... we have previously agreed to most of the other stuff like object API, etc. | 14:19 |
| boden | slaweq yes it will likely take awhile... mostly due to the velocity of code reviews | 14:20 |
| amotoki | generally speaking, it sounds reasonable, but looking at the referred review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/621000/, we see several extensions (as slaweq mentioned) | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | and what is your concern about RBAC? | 14:21 |
| boden | amotoki yes pulled in via dependencies unfortunately | 14:21 |
| amotoki | most of such extensions are now fundamentals of neutron behavior, so I am okay if we can agree. | 14:21 |
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| boden | mlavalle I have no concern per say.. I just dont want to spend a bunch of time rehoming only to find out folks don't think it makes sense... if people think from a high level this is reasonable we can disucuss details on the actual code reviews once I get them rolling | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | I do think it makes sense at high level and think we can discuss details in the corresponding reviews | 14:22 |
| boden | works for me, that's all I needed | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | so are the other members of the team ok moving ahead with this | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | I say +1 | 14:23 |
| amotoki | what I am not sure is which plugin(s) does not work with RBAC. we sometimes concern plugin supports but it is hard to catch up (if their maintainers do not join the discussion). | 14:23 |
| amotoki | I say +1 too | 14:23 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:24 |
| haleyb | +1, more in neutron-lib the better | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | boden: go ahead. I am going to dcument this agreement in the RFE to make it official | 14:24 |
| * mlavalle documenting approval | 14:25 | |
| boden | great thank you all for the time/consideration | 14:25 |
| slaweq | thanks boden to taking care of it :) | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | boden: don't think it is like this all the time. Sometimes we have looooong discussions. This was easy becuase we have previous agreements in the general direction ;-) | 14:26 |
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| mlavalle | Next one up for discussion today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815933 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815933 in neutron "[RFE] Allow bulk-tagging of resources" [Wishlist,New] | 14:27 |
| slaweq | this one was reported by dulek from kuryr team but I guess someone else will have to take care of it if it will be accepted | 14:29 |
| amotoki | it looks like a request of tagging support when creating a port. | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | we are already implementing bulk port creation | 14:30 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: but You can't set tag while creating port | 14:30 |
| slaweq | so You create ports in bulk | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | which is also a request that came from the kuryr world | 14:31 |
| amotoki | slaweq is correct. | 14:31 |
| slaweq | and then have to iterate over them to set same tag on each | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: agree with you | 14:31 |
| amotoki | we cannot set tags when creating a port. | 14:31 |
| amotoki | The current tagging API comes from the nova implementation and API-SIG guidance (from nova API) | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | agree with you all | 14:31 |
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| amotoki | it is not ideal. IMHO we should allow to specify tags when creating a resource. | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | all I'm trying to say is that it seems to me to be a logical follow up | 14:32 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yep, that is how it looks for me too :) | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | it doesn't make sense to create the ports in bulk and then get stuck with their tagging | 14:33 |
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| slaweq | amotoki: so IIUC what You said we have to have such tagging api because nova API has it done this way, right? | 14:34 |
| haleyb | i thought you could set a tag when creating a port, at least the cli shows it | 14:34 |
| amotoki | slaweq: yes | 14:34 |
| amotoki | this request is reasonable. my suggestion is to support 'tags' attribute in POST operation. I can also propose a discussion to API-SIG if we go to this route. | 14:34 |
| -amotoki- looking for the API-SIG doc | 14:34 | |
| slaweq | haleyb: You can't, https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/extensions/tagging.py#L41 | 14:35 |
| haleyb | slaweq: hmm, then the api doc is wrong, https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/?expanded=create-port-forwarding-detail,create-port-detail#ports | 14:35 |
| haleyb | that shows tags in POST | 14:35 |
| slaweq | amotoki: I'm all for that - this should be changed IMO | 14:35 |
| amotoki | slaweq: totally agree | 14:36 |
| amotoki | this API-SIG document on tag API https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/tags.html | 14:36 |
| slaweq | haleyb: yes, I think that dulek even told me that when we talked about this | 14:36 |
| haleyb | then i guess we should fix it :) | 14:37 |
| slaweq | haleyb: agree | 14:37 |
| slaweq | amotoki: so there is described only way to create many tags for one resource, IMO this should be discussed in API-SIG to allow setting tags during creation of resources and/or set tags in bulk | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: so this guideline doesn't seem to support the proposal in the RFE | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | at least at first glance | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | or am I mis-reading? | 14:39 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: yes, it does not now. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | IMHO we should allow to specify tags when creating a resource in the guideline. | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | yeah, probably that guideline doesn't consier use cases like containers | 14:40 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: yes | 14:40 |
| amotoki | slaweq: IMO at least tags should be specified when creating a resource. I am not sure we need bulk update of tags. | 14:41 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: based on what you know, is dulek planning to work on this implementation? or is he asking the Neutron team to implement it? | 14:42 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: he will probably not work on this | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | ok so we need a champion | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | for this | 14:43 |
| slaweq | but I think I can raise it on our internal meetings | 14:43 |
| amotoki | the RFE submitter requests bulk tagging, so we need to check the submitter whether tagging support in bulk create works or not. | 14:43 |
| slaweq | amotoki: give me a sec, maybe dulek can join | 14:43 |
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| slaweq | I pinged him on openstack-pl channel, maybe he will join | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | for the time being we need to assume, it is up to us, right? | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: is that a Poland specific channel? | 14:45 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: i think so | 14:45 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | cool | 14:45 |
| amotoki | my comment is about "up to us" | 14:45 |
| slaweq | my "yes" was about Poland channel :P | 14:46 |
| slaweq | but I also agree that it's "up to us" :) | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | so the first step would be to have a conversation with API-SIG | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | right? | 14:46 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:46 |
| slaweq | this proposal looks like much wider than only Neutron | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | I agree | 14:47 |
| amotoki | yeah, I can take care of the discussion. do we start a ML discussion? | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: yes, let's do that. we can point to the RFE in the initial message | 14:48 |
| amotoki | okay, I will send a mail this weekend | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | as an example of use cases that require a broadening of the community's approach to tagging | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | I think they meet on Thursdays | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | at a time unfriendly to you amotoki | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | so if we need to discuss in their meeting, I can attend | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | but let's start in the ML | 14:49 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: do you mean API-SIG meeting? | 14:49 |
| slaweq | they have office hours: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#API_Special_Interest_Group_office_hours | 14:49 |
| amotoki | thanks for the info. | 14:50 |
| amotoki | anyway ML and #-sdks channel work for us :) | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | yeah I attended a meeting on Thursday at 1600 when we were discussing the topic of API filtering | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | let's start in the ML, amotoki | 14:51 |
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| mlavalle | as you proposed | 14:51 |
| amotoki | sure | 14:51 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | I'll leave a note in the RFE, pointing to the guidelines ^^^^^ and indicating what the next step is | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 14:53 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq: you proposed to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571899/ | 14:54 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: it was long time ago | 14:54 |
| slaweq | and I think we already talked about it few months back | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | ah ok, I'll clean up the agenda | 14:54 |
| slaweq | sorry that I forgot to remove it | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | I'll take care of it | 14:54 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | np | 14:54 |
| mlavalle | ok guys, that's it | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | thanks for attending | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | have a great weekend | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| slaweq | have a great weekend | 14:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 15 14:55:31 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-15-14.02.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-15-14.02.txt | 14:55 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:55 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-02-15-14.02.log.html | 14:55 |
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