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| asmita | zaneb: Hi | 06:27 |
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| zaneb | asmita: o/ | 06:48 |
| asmita | zaneb: Review request for patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580943/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583429/. Thank you. | 06:53 |
| zaneb | ack, will do | 06:54 |
| asmita | Thank you. | 06:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 30 07:01:09 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | ping gmann cmurphy tonyb mattoliverau | 07:01 |
| cmurphy | hello | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 07:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 07:01 |
| tonyb | \o | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Boom 4 for 4 | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | that's pretty good | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda for your perusal | 07:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I didn't update it frm last week but not much has changed | 07:04 |
| diablo_rojo | so! | 07:04 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:04 | |
| mattoliverau | So about an hour ago I did the homework. | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | But you did it :) | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Which is good! | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | I connected a liason to each patch that seemed relvent | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | and introduced us | 07:05 |
| gmann | reviewed the nova patch. but it is -1 | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | all from the last 2 weeks. | 07:05 |
| gmann | mattoliverau: thanks that helpes | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | -1 isn't bad :) It means someone was paying attention :) | 07:06 |
| mattoliverau | -1 is fine, so long as it isn't just sitting there :) | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | +2 | 07:06 |
| gmann | yeah | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Any one find any new people we need to reach out to? | 07:06 |
| tonyb | Not me | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't have any either, but I figured I'd ask :) | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | If not I think we can move on? | 07:08 |
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| gmann | yea | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 07:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:09 | |
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| * tonyb did that one! | 07:09 | |
| diablo_rojo | Did you answer my other softball question? | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | (softball question as in easy question) | 07:10 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: I didn't see it or if I did it had an answer on it | 07:10 |
| * diablo_rojo isn't sure if people know that dumb american colloquialism | 07:11 | |
| tonyb | ... or did I just do it badly | 07:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha I don't know I didn't see a response the last time I looked. | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I will try to add another question or two for next meeting. | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | link? | 07:11 |
| tonyb | #rats | 07:11 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: I think that spoils the fun ;P | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I brought up that we had been doing this- seeding the info into ask.o,o- at our offsite last week, and everyone thought it was a really good idea. | 07:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can tell you that I write them as Anonymous :) | 07:12 |
| mattoliverau | hmm, /me has to go check again ;) | 07:12 |
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| tonyb | Some of the unanswered questions are very old is there value in answering them? | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Was nice to get feedback outside of us that it was a good idea :) | 07:14 |
| tonyb | I'd assume the OP has wandered off my now | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I would say yes? So long as the asnwers themselves aren't outdated? | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | That way the info we want is more discoverable? | 07:14 |
| tonyb | okay | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | And in more places? | 07:14 |
| gmann | true, if people find old question related to them at least they can find answer too | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I dunno, just my thoughts, other people can disagree :) | 07:15 |
| tonyb | I wrote a really long answer to a devstack question but then dropepd it because it was about liberty | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Things like that I think you can...skip | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Or reply and say where they can ask synchronously if they have current questions | 07:16 |
| gmann | tonyb: may be till all supported stable branch related and foe other we can update the stable support thing . | 07:16 |
| mattoliverau | that answer could go in the devstack part of the contributor guide (if it is usaul for everyone that is). | 07:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | I wonder who the people are that actually use ask.o.o...I would have just gone to a ML or IRC. | 07:17 |
| tonyb | Yeah even when I was new I went to thew ML or IRC | 07:17 |
| mattoliverau | millennials :P | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, what year were you born? I feel like you fall into the millenial time span | 07:19 |
| gmann | but many new people does not know ML or IRC things. I feel they just search google "openstack question " and ask.o.o is second in search | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose. | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I just think direct engagement with the community would be better, but maybe I am weird ;) | 07:19 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: maybe I do.. not saying I'm not to blame :P | 07:20 |
| * mattoliverau needs to check the year bracket | 07:20 | |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, post 1980 would make you a millennial ;) | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, anything else on this topic? | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | damn.. I guess I am :P | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | ask...not millennials | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, :P | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Join the club ;) | 07:22 |
| mattoliverau | nothing from me (re: this topic) | 07:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha preparing a whole defense about other topics I presume | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay moving on then. | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Sandbox Bot | 07:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sandbox Bot (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:23 | |
| diablo_rojo | any updates tonyb? | 07:23 |
| tonyb | *cough* next *cough* | 07:23 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | lol | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay moving on then | 07:24 |
| tonyb | Really nothing to say I'm a bad person for not mailing the list with my 'design' for comments | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, do that by the end of the week ;) | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #action tonyb will email the openstack-discuss list with sandbox bot design plans | 07:25 |
| mattoliverau | during this next fortnight then? or else risk feeling guilty again :) | 07:25 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: okay | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | I made it an action item. | 07:25 |
| tonyb | it must happen now! | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | If he fails, he owes us all a beer in Denver. | 07:25 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Summit + Forum planning | 07:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit + Forum planning (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:25 | |
| diablo_rojo | So mattoliverau submitted to the cfp | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks mattoliverau :) | 07:26 |
| tonyb | Is the Forumtopics stuff open yet? | 07:26 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, any if it gets accepted and someone wants to co-speak that's fine :) Though I'm also good doing it myself. but want to be sure people can get there ;) | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | it was very last minute. But got it in. | 07:27 |
| gmann | nice | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I haven't gotten the form for requesting space for BoFs yet, but I can request one if we think we want that? | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | We could always ask for one and just play mariokart ;) | 07:28 |
| tonyb | +2+W | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | ^ what he said | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Forum stuff isnt up yet | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I need to make that wiki actually lol | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | So many things | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | let's have an etherpad to collect ideas | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | so little time | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, got one already? | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | So we can link it in the meeting notes? | 07:29 |
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| mattoliverau | nope, but I can make one :) | 07:29 |
| * tonyb needs to go to another meeting but I'll try to follow along | 07:29 | |
| diablo_rojo | We don't have much left and already covered the topic you were responsible for tonyb so no worries if you just catch up with the logs later | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yes please :) | 07:30 |
| * tonyb had something for open discussion but I can't recall what it was now :/ | 07:30 | |
| * diablo_rojo waits for link before starting next topic | 07:30 | |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, if you remember after we get done you can ping us in the OUI channel | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_Denver_forum_topics | 07:31 |
| tonyb | Will do | 07:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks mattoliverau! | 07:32 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Reqs for Organisations... | 07:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reqs for Organisations... (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:32 | |
| diablo_rojo | So I brought this up at the offsite too. | 07:33 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Once the whole contributor guide gets translated, I think we can get Horace (the foundation's employee in China) to help us publicize it. | 07:33 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | And I also mentioned it in terms of getting it on the board agenda which was also well recieved | 07:34 |
| gmann | great | 07:34 |
| * diablo_rojo can't spell received on her first try almost ever.. | 07:34 | |
| tonyb | Apart from translators what's stopping us from doign the translations? | 07:34 |
| * mattoliverau never could :P | 07:34 | |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, what do you mean? I think Frank set up the framework.. | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we just haven't started getting translations from zanata | 07:35 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: Yeah I was thinking about jobs, infras etc | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | but maybe I am not up to date on the state of things | 07:35 |
| tonyb | syncing to zanata etc | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I think most of that has been set up? | 07:35 |
| tonyb | Oh cool | 07:35 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to look | 07:35 | |
| diablo_rojo | Oh | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | so we already have translations imported | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/contributor-guide | 07:36 |
| * diablo_rojo was behind the times it seems | 07:36 | |
| diablo_rojo | so thats cool | 07:37 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I will ping ianychoi or other translation people and see how things are going and if we need help to get the Chinese translations done or if they need more hands and I can mobilize Horace to help. | 07:38 |
| mattoliverau | looks like we already might have some translations: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/organizations/index.html | 07:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh nice | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats cool :) | 07:39 |
| mattoliverau | english, german and indonesian | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats super cool | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | So maybe we need help with china. | 07:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | er. Chinese | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay last topic? | 07:41 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic People to Reach Out to | 07:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | ....I can't remember who had the todo's | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | I never got a response, and haven't tried again yet (which I think I said I'd do). So will try and do that this fortnight | 07:42 |
| gmann | me too. i reached to 2 people and their company active developer too but no response | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Hm. | 07:42 |
| gmann | but i have not checked if they continue doing such patches | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm not sure what else we can do to contact them and talk to them.. | 07:43 |
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| mattoliverau | maybe try and contact them via a comment on a gerrit change? | 07:43 |
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| mattoliverau | in case email is just getting spam filtered and the change might be something they check? | 07:44 |
| cmurphy | i try to do that from time to time but also never successful | 07:44 |
| cmurphy | maybe a language issue? | 07:44 |
| mattoliverau | hmm, maybe | 07:44 |
| gmann | humm | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose that's really our only other option | 07:44 |
| mattoliverau | or maybe cultural issue too | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I brought this up at the offiste too. | 07:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Horace said some of them probably know that the contributions they are making aren't..the most helpful? But that they are under pressure from upper management? | 07:45 |
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| cmurphy | maybe that's a thing to go in the contributing org guide then | 07:46 |
| cmurphy | understanding that stackalytics points != useful | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought we had something kind of like that in there but we could definitely be more verbose | 07:46 |
| gmann | +1, that can be good advice for organization | 07:46 |
| mattoliverau | good idea. | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, you wanna write the patch since you had the suggestion? :D | 07:47 |
| cmurphy | bah | 07:47 |
| cmurphy | i mean sure :) | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | I can +2 it at FOSDEM :) | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 07:47 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:48 |
| cmurphy | :D | 07:48 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: I belive that another #action is in order ;) | 07:48 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: that's what you get for having good ideas :P | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | #action cmurphy to write addition to reqs guide to say how high stackalytics numbers != good community member all the time | 07:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Or something to that effect | 07:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Or shall we move to open discussion? | 07:51 |
| mattoliverau | not from me. Open floor? | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic open discussion | 07:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:51 | |
| mattoliverau | So cmurphy will soon be heading back to the US. Should be consider meeting times again? seeing as she was the only from Europe attending the meetings? | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | OMG YES | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | I mean, this time is totally doable, but if we don't have any active members in Europe than I am totally fine for a change. | 07:53 |
| cmurphy | heh I was gonna bring that up a couple meetings from now | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, when do you come back? | 07:53 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: april | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | And will you be in Portland? | 07:53 |
| tonyb | Yes we should let US folks sleep at a reasonable time ;P | 07:53 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 07:53 |
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| gmann | +1 | 07:53 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: oregon ish, exact city unsure | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | A reasonable time to go to bed for me is before 2AM | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, not seattle? :D | 07:53 |
| cmurphy | lol no sorry | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Dang. | 07:54 |
| mattoliverau | but she will be closer then she is now | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | So long as you are close to Portland we could do workdays. | 07:54 |
| cmurphy | for sure | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | I bet we could even con clarkb into having a BBQ and making a bunch or ribs and brisket | 07:54 |
| gmann | FYI, i might be changing the location and moving to Canada but will update final decision once all set (may be next month) | 07:54 |
| mattoliverau | oh wow | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, oh cool! | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, you moving too? ;) or tonyb perhaps? :) | 07:55 |
| mattoliverau | so the America's timezone will be even more populated | 07:55 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: omg clarkb brisket so good | 07:55 |
| gmann | if no major issue on my remote work think in my company | 07:55 |
| mattoliverau | not that I'm aware of :P | 07:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Since everyone is moving it seems lol. | 07:55 |
| gmann | heh | 07:55 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: sure | 07:55 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: are you paying? | 07:55 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, +2 I made skillet cornbread last time | 07:56 |
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| mattoliverau | So we should look at meeting slots. and maybe push it back a bunch of hours. | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good to me. | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | and by bunch it could be quite a lot :P | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | We can wait till like right before the summit to change it, but good to know. | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | so long as it isn't too bad for tonyb and I | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | sounds good | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, in baked goods? sure I'd be happy to bake as many cakes as you and the family can consume | 07:57 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: :D | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah totally, we can just push it back like 5-7 hours | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 07:58 |
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| tonyb | which way is back? | 07:58 |
| mattoliverau | only a few minutes left | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, cmurphy find out about OUI yet? | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, remember what you wanted to ask yet? | 07:58 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: nope :/ | 07:58 |
| cmurphy | not officially approved to go to summit but assuming i go i'll be around for the second day of oui | 07:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio | 07:59 |
| mattoliverau | not yet, but I've told my manager etc. | 07:59 |
| * mattoliverau can hear a baby screaming so I might have to go. | 07:59 | |
| diablo_rojo | We are at time anyway | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks everyone for coming! | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't forget your action items! | 08:00 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: Thanks for hosting at #stupidoclock | 08:00 |
| gmann | thanks diablo_rojo for chairing. GN. | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | My pleasure! | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, see you in a few days? | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 30 08:01:58 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-01-30-07.01.html | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-01-30-07.01.txt | 08:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-01-30-07.01.log.html | 08:02 |
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| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: yes!! | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, when do you arrive? | 08:03 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: friday evening | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I get in early Thursday with clarkb | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | we are both going to other events Friday- there is a CHAOSS thing and a github thing I guess? | 08:03 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: cool well maybe see you at the friday beer event otherwise i'll look for you at the openstack booth :) | 08:09 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 30 11:00:17 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | greetings | 11:00 |
| janders | g'day | 11:00 |
| oneswig | hey janders | 11:00 |
| janders | particularly exciting agenda today I see.. | 11:00 |
| oneswig | evening | 11:00 |
| janders | Ironic SIG and GPFS-Manila | 11:00 |
| janders | how good is that? :) | 11:00 |
| oneswig | right up your street? | 11:01 |
| janders | hell yeah! :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_January_30th_2019 | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | With GPFS+Manila we were seeking people with experience of it, which may be harder to find | 11:02 |
| janders | Indeed.. Can't contribute myself from that angle, at least not yet. Very interested though! | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Well let's cover the other item... | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #topic baremetal SIG | 11:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "baremetal SIG (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:03 | |
| oneswig | #link Etherpad for Baremetal SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bare-metal-sig | 11:03 |
| oneswig | See some familiar names there already | 11:04 |
| janders | usual suspects... indeed! :) | 11:04 |
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| janders | hey Blair! :) | 11:05 |
| janders | what are the temperatures like across the ditch? | 11:05 |
| oneswig | How does this group differ from Ironic itself? A purpose of advocacy? | 11:05 |
| b1airo | evening | 11:05 |
| janders | heard it's almost as hot as here | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo, good to see you | 11:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:05 |
| b1airo | not as hot as across there janders ! but still pretty damn warm for this part of the world | 11:06 |
| oneswig | Those poor sheep | 11:06 |
| b1airo | they had it coming | 11:06 |
| janders | I saw 37C in Nelson over the weekend and went whooa | 11:06 |
| b1airo | oh wait, you're talking about the heat? | 11:06 |
| oneswig | Nice and cool in all that merino wool | 11:06 |
| b1airo | yeah i believe nelson area records have been broken | 11:07 |
| b1airo | the humidity is so much lower here and atmosphere so clean you really feel the sun and dryness more than in e.g. melbourne | 11:08 |
| janders | yeah the sun is brutal over there | 11:08 |
| b1airo | where are you based janders ? | 11:08 |
| janders | Canberra gets a bit of that too.. not so much at higher latitudes and lower altitudes :) | 11:09 |
| janders | Canberra | 11:09 |
| oneswig | toasty, no doubt. | 11:09 |
| b1airo | aah that's right, an in-betweener ;-) | 11:09 |
| oneswig | Bare metal SIG anyone? :-) | 11:09 |
| b1airo | just throwing that out there oneswig ? | 11:10 |
| janders | how is it different.. from Chris'es email this group sounds a bit like promoting "ironic first" approach | 11:10 |
| oneswig | It's great to hear you guys shooting the breeze, all the same... | 11:10 |
| oneswig | I wasn't sure how much help Ironic needed here, but it might be interesting if the SIG was to help try to position it against (say) Foreman and XCAT | 11:11 |
| janders | OMG.. is foreman still alive? | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Certainly is, we've got a project starting next week with a site that uses it for all deployment. | 11:13 |
| janders | wow | 11:13 |
| janders | I have horror stories with foreman from two different major projects so pretty badly biased | 11:13 |
| oneswig | The principal argument against change is usually "if it aint broke..." but perhaps from what you say this doesn't apply here | 11:14 |
| janders | but - how does it stand against xCAT and that Ubuntu thing (BMaaS) - from my perspective much more standard APIs | 11:14 |
| janders | there's a ton of ansible out there ready to run against ironic - with or without nova | 11:14 |
| janders | Have you guys played with ElastiCluster much? | 11:14 |
| oneswig | yes, a bit. | 11:15 |
| janders | I recently ran it with baremetal flavor instead of usual VMs | 11:15 |
| oneswig | Last time I tried there were problems using it with new OpenStack | 11:15 |
| janders | other than a glitch with secgroups, it *just worked* | 11:15 |
| oneswig | I think it depends on a deprecated client | 11:15 |
| janders | VMs, baremetals, whatever. Here is your slurm | 11:15 |
| janders | I don't think more niche products like xCAT or BMaaS have this sort of capability | 11:16 |
| janders | Ironic has the potential of bringing Infrastructure-as-code to the metal | 11:16 |
| b1airo | exactly | 11:16 |
| janders | which from my perspective is an absolute killer | 11:16 |
| oneswig | janders: true and good | 11:16 |
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| oneswig | That's more positioning openstack (bare metal in this case) against provisioning systems though | 11:17 |
| janders | so - to link back to your question I think the Ironic SIG might be an opportunity to promote ironic-centric thinking about OpenStack | 11:17 |
| oneswig | janders: when did you use ElastiCluster? I'm wondering if the issue I hit has been fixed, or if you haven't encountered it yet. | 11:18 |
| janders | where VMs are sort of secondary and not expected to hang around for very long | 11:18 |
| janders | last week | 11:18 |
| priteau | Yeah, I think the Foundation is aware that Ironic is a significant asset, especially as more people move to deploy their apps on top of Kubernetes rathen than inside VMs. It makes sense to advertise it more widely. | 11:18 |
| b1airo | it's an opportunity to get more people deploying with OpenStack from the ground-up iguess | 11:18 |
| janders | other than the secgroups (I had them disabled which generated API responses from Neutron that EC couldnt handle) it literally *just worked* | 11:18 |
| oneswig | janders: sounds encouraging, will try again. | 11:18 |
| janders | I will dig out how I deployed it | 11:18 |
| oneswig | hi priteau | 11:19 |
| janders | it's a PITA but I've got a friend who is relying on EC for his clinical work | 11:19 |
| janders | he gave me some hints | 11:19 |
| janders | I think latest git + virtualenv on el7.6 is the way to go | 11:19 |
| b1airo | indeed priteau , though the truely security conscious folks will still want VMs to run each tenant's Kubernetes in | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Perhaps this SIG can help with gap analysis for bare metal | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Although I think the Ironic team are very responsive and interactive on that stuff (and welcome your patches...) | 11:21 |
| oneswig | OK, I guess we should move on, that's covered now | 11:22 |
| oneswig | #topic Denver! | 11:22 |
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| oneswig | Are we all going? | 11:22 |
| b1airo | +1 | 11:22 |
| oneswig | I expect to (but haven't booked anything yet) | 11:23 |
| janders | I hope to be there and presenting - let's see how it goes | 11:23 |
| janders | :) | 11:23 |
| oneswig | By default I assume we carry on with the usual format of SIG activity - meeting plus lightning talks | 11:23 |
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| daveholland | not me but Sanger are hoping to send someone | 11:23 |
| oneswig | good luck janders, sure it'll go well :-) | 11:24 |
| oneswig | Hi daveholland | 11:24 |
| oneswig | d | 11:24 |
| janders | thanks heaps to Blair and Tim for reviewing my presentation proposal | 11:24 |
| b1airo | I think I saw Mike Lowe and Tim Randles saying they would probably attend | 11:24 |
| b1airo | possibly also Jon Mills | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | Tim is planning a trip to the baseball for interested SIG members, a day or two after the summit. | 11:25 |
| janders | Denver is (almost) back to back with the Red Hat Summit - it would be a nice trip if stars align.. | 11:25 |
| oneswig | Colorado Rockies, on the Friday - mail tim.randles@gmail.com | 11:26 |
| b1airo | baseball again huh | 11:26 |
| b1airo | that sounds like a better plan! | 11:26 |
| daveholland | janders: yes we spotted that too | 11:27 |
| oneswig | janders: when/where is the RH summit? | 11:27 |
| janders | Boston AFAIK | 11:27 |
| oneswig | is that Red Hat OPEN? | 11:27 |
| janders | open for registration? preso submission? else? | 11:28 |
| janders | rego yes presos not anymore | 11:28 |
| oneswig | no I think that was a different RH email I'm mixing up | 11:28 |
| janders | I missed the WHEN bit - 7-9 May | 11:29 |
| oneswig | back to topic, I think the forum format we conventionally use, seems to work OK. Any thoughts on changing it? | 11:29 |
| janders | I think it's good | 11:31 |
| b1airo | aint broke ;-) | 11:31 |
| daveholland | works for me (TM) | 11:31 |
| oneswig | I haven't seen where/when SIG session submission goes in, will keep an eye out for that. | 11:31 |
| oneswig | This time there are also PTG sessions planned to run the same week, which should provide more technical meat for those that seek it . | 11:32 |
| oneswig | OK, next topic? | 11:33 |
| janders | it's good to have the two together again | 11:33 |
| janders | (mainstream Summit and PTG) | 11:33 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig to submit SIG sessions in the same format as previous summits. | 11:33 |
| oneswig | janders: +1, agreed. | 11:33 |
| oneswig | Certainly works for a small company on a finite travel budget :-) | 11:34 |
| b1airo | yep, don't think i've heard anyone say they really thought the split was positive | 11:34 |
| janders | also really helps balancing travel with getting stuff done | 11:34 |
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| oneswig | Time for GPFS? | 11:35 |
| janders | esp for the long haulers | 11:35 |
| b1airo | possibly true of a small cohort of core devs that didn't like the extra distractions though | 11:35 |
| oneswig | #topic GPFS+Manila | 11:35 |
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| janders | ..and the ones that write code that's really bad from the operational standpoint :P | 11:35 |
| b1airo | any GPFS aficionado here today? | 11:35 |
| oneswig | I suspect we've all come looking for experience but does anyone here have experience of using GPFS with Manila? | 11:36 |
| janders | I'm interested but don't have much to share (yet) | 11:36 |
| janders | Not with Manila, no | 11:36 |
| janders | is there a native driver for that these days? | 11:36 |
| janders | My last GPFS backed system was Mitaka - and back then I don't think Manila integration existed | 11:37 |
| oneswig | There is a driver. I'm asking around for GPFS users who have tried it. | 11:37 |
| janders | nova/cinder/glance (and I think swift) *just worked* though | 11:38 |
| janders | excellent | 11:38 |
| janders | I anticipate my team will be working on Queens-GPFS integration in the coming weeks, will report back as we learn more | 11:38 |
| oneswig | This might be one to follow up on. If anyone here can find someone who has used it, we can invite them along to talk about it. | 11:38 |
| b1airo | i'm not sure if the driver works at fileset level per share or does something else (horrific) like NFS sharing a loopback mounted local filesystem atop the GPFS... | 11:39 |
| janders | would you be interested in appliance based model (say a DDN brick with a GPFS personality) or JBOD approach? | 11:39 |
| b1airo | i'm interested in both the Manila integration and detail of the underlying security model to enable multi-tenant GPFS | 11:40 |
| tbarron | https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/admin/gpfs_driver.html | 11:40 |
| janders | I will likely start with the former (just because I have a spare brick) but what I'm really after is the latter | 11:40 |
| oneswig | Hi tbarron! | 11:40 |
| tbarron | dunno that anyone is maintaining this %%% | 11:40 |
| oneswig | Thanks for dropping in | 11:40 |
| oneswig | ears burning? | 11:40 |
| tbarron | ^^ | 11:40 |
| tbarron | hi | 11:40 |
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| tbarron | oneswig: :) | 11:40 |
| tbarron | looks like it's *supposed* to work either native or with ganesha | 11:41 |
| janders | THIS PAGE LAST UPDATED: 2017-09-28 09:26:05 | 11:41 |
| janders | point taken and noted | 11:41 |
| oneswig | On a related matter, I didn't hear back from Andrew Elwell, who was previously looking for interest in developing the same for Lustre+Manila | 11:41 |
| oneswig | tbarron: do you get enquiries on that? | 11:42 |
| tbarron | oneswig: only from scientific HPC types :) | 11:42 |
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| oneswig | no surprise there | 11:42 |
| tbarron | oneswig: seriously, it comes up but | 11:42 |
| tbarron | not from anyone who has time (or who gets paid) to work on it | 11:43 |
| janders | right! | 11:43 |
| janders | some of the largest GPFS deployments are enterprise customers | 11:43 |
| tbarron | I'd *love* to have manila working with these | 11:43 |
| oneswig | I guess with the GPFS driver as a case in point, ongoing maintenance the work is the bigger issue than the initial development | 11:43 |
| janders | looks like it's not their use case then.. | 11:43 |
| oneswig | daveholland: does this come up at Sanger? | 11:44 |
| janders | do you guys have any experience with running GPFS with OpenStack instances accessing the filesystem, without Manila? | 11:46 |
| daveholland | oneswig: we can definitely see the use case (and it would save users messing with running their own NFS server inside a tenant) but we haven't had time to get it working, nor RH support AIUI | 11:46 |
| janders | I'm thinking fabric-based access model, similar to what you're doing with BeeGFS oneswig | 11:46 |
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| b1airo | we do that at NeSI janders | 11:47 |
| daveholland | we are a bit prejudiced against GPFS but that's based on 10-year-old bad experiences. Also we find the users running GPFS inside the tenant (atop Cinder volumes) to provide Kubernetes storage. It's all turtles | 11:47 |
| oneswig | janders: that would prevent the performance baby going out with the cloud-native bathwater | 11:47 |
| janders | I wonder if there's anything in the guts of GPFS that would get upset with the operators doing anything like this | 11:47 |
| oneswig | It looks like the main action for today's session is for us to go to our networks and find people who have experience of the Manila driver. | 11:48 |
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| janders | Lustre can be tricky like this (certain bits of Lnet need to be done in software) | 11:48 |
| janders | sounds good oneswig | 11:48 |
| janders | I am happy to report back as I made progress with my GPFS work | 11:48 |
| oneswig | janders: that would be great. | 11:49 |
| janders | hopefully my storage gurus won't get scared and run away | 11:49 |
| janders | they are keen so far | 11:49 |
| janders | but you know what I'm capable of | 11:49 |
| oneswig | (but with one eye on the door handle?) | 11:49 |
| oneswig | OK, let's do that. | 11:49 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:49 |
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| b1airo | "Where's the NETAPP badge?" | 11:49 |
| janders | yeah.. the VMware guys never quite recovered from the idea of running VMware on Ironic :) | 11:50 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: ha! | 11:50 |
| janders | man.. don't get me started on that one | 11:50 |
| janders | :D | 11:50 |
| b1airo | janders: | 11:50 |
| b1airo | so cruel | 11:50 |
| oneswig | I had a couple of small things | 11:50 |
| janders | would you like me to send you the details of my EC setup? | 11:51 |
| oneswig | The CERN OpenStack Day has a website now - https://openstackdayscern.web.cern.ch/ | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Similarly there will be a scientific computing track at OpenInfra Days London - https://openinfradays.co.uk/ | 11:51 |
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| oneswig | I don't think there's a formal CFP method for either yet. | 11:52 |
| b1airo | i'm keen to talk to folks who are running Singularity on their clusters, in particular their chosen deployment config from a security perspective and the impact of how they support users on it | 11:52 |
| oneswig | b1airo: you should have a chat with Tim Randles and Michael Jennings about that (although their opinions can be somewhat forceful, they are well informed!) | 11:53 |
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| oneswig | The major concern as I understand is the setuid launch exec | 11:54 |
| daveholland | blairo: we are offering Singularity, I don't have the details, Pete will - I'll ping him | 11:54 |
| oneswig | There was also a CFP for HPCAC Lugano closing I believe this week: http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2019/swiss-workshop/submissions.php | 11:55 |
| b1airo | a set of setuid binaries i believe oneswig. yes that's probably a principle issue, mind you, i guess slurm is in the same boat so... | 11:55 |
| oneswig | that's a great conference if you're in Europe, going from previous years. | 11:56 |
| janders | agreed - shame I gotta be here early April | 11:56 |
| b1airo | what's still unclear to me is what level OS etc is required for fully functional non setuid operation, or if there are still gaps | 11:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: fair point although in the back of my mind I've half-forgotten some disadvantage about process trees - that might have been the docker daemon though | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | Ah, we are at the hour. | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Any more to add? | 11:59 |
| b1airo | all good here | 11:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: the OS version, has to be a 4.x kernel (possible 4.7+) with rootless user namespace support configured at compile time. IIRC | 12:00 |
| janders | thanks guys | 12:00 |
| janders | see you next week | 12:00 |
| oneswig | So quite special | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all, time to stop | 12:00 |
| daveholland | thanks, bye | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:00 |
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| b1airo | that is quite new yes | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 30 12:00:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-30-11.00.html | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-30-11.00.txt | 12:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-30-11.00.log.html | 12:00 |
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| b1airo | thanks all! | 12:01 |
| b1airo | o/ | 12:01 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 30 16:00:56 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
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| yikun | o/ | 16:01 |
| davidsha | o/ | 16:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso | 16:01 |
| avishay | hello | 16:01 |
| woojay | Hello. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ・_・)ノ | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| erlon | hey | 16:01 |
| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| * jungleboyj can't respond as my eyes are frozen right now. | 16:02 | |
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| rosmaita | how bad is it up there? | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | -22 in my backyard feels like -30 | 16:02 |
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| rosmaita | ouch | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | That is an improvement from -28 when I woke up with windchills in the -40s | 16:03 |
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| erlon | jungleboyj, celcius? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | For comparison, it's currently -4F at the south pole. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | No, Farenheit | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | It's almost to the point where C and F match. :) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | What is that -52 ? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | -40 | 16:04 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: stay safe! | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-) I will leave the house to get my boys and that is about it. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: -22F or -22C? | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | -22F | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, looks like we have the usual suspects. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | oh.. it's really cold | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | So, a reminder that we have the mid-cycle happening next week. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Based on the etherpad it looks like it will be Sean, Walt, Eric, Brian, Jon and I on site? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Are you going to bring your A/V setup for streaming? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Others will try to join remotely. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes, I will be doing that. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Great, hopefully we can have a decent online experience then. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | *Fingers crossed* | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | We will be in a quiet room and it isn't too big. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Are you around? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | There will be a good phone in the room so it would be nice if we could figure out how to do that trick where he linked a phone call to the meetings. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | I think I still have notes on how we did that in Ft Collins. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. If you could get those to me it would be appreciated. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Security is super tight at Lenovo *wink wink, nudge nudge* | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Although, now that zoom is popular, that might end up being a better tool. Any idea if that works out of there? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | The badge machine in the building is down so you guys just need to write your names on the badges. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Or do we need to go over your phone data? :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I'll bring my crayons. | 16:10 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I will meet you guys at the front door. Putting my phone number in the etherpad now so you can text me if necessary. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Are you still planning to come? | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | i will be there, calling 1-800-jungleboy now | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Ha ha ha. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Zoom would be nice to use. I don't have an account though. | 16:12 |
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| erlon | smcginnis, zoom works as a charm on Linux. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | The guest Wifi has been tested and works. Shouldn't need to use my phone. | 16:13 |
| avishay | zoom is great on Android as well | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do you have zoom? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | The basic account is free. Just limits meetings to 40 minutes. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Hmmm. Yuck. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | $15/month for 24hr meetings. | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | is there a limit to a consecutive number of 40min meetings? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | The other option, depending on the phone in the room is that we use Lync. That has been working really well in Lenovo. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: No, it says unlimited number of meetings. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, smcginnis lets talk about this after the meeting. Don't need everyone for that decision. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, with the midcycle happening this particular meeting won't then happen. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is all I had for announcements. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You have anything there? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Nope | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Moving on then. | 16:19 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: what are the timings ? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Oh, good question. I was going to integrate that into the next topic. :-) | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic review mid-cycle topics and do some planning | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review mid-cycle topics and do some planning (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:20 | |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-mid-cycle-planning | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | So, we have a good list of topics. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | The meetings will be happening from roughly 9 am to 5 pm Eastern Time. | 16:21 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: similar as of PTG, right? | 16:22 |
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| whoami-rajat | previous* | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | No. We are actually two timezones closer to India. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | So, Eastern time is UTC-5 I believe. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/ | 16:23 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok, will do the conversions. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | So we are 6 hours behind Spain. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, for instance geguileo If there are topics that you want to make sure you are in on please indicate those so we can schedule them for the morning. | 16:24 |
| whoami-rajat | 7:30 PM - 3:30 AM for India. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: thanks, will do | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Same for you. :-) | 16:25 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: could you please add timezone to the etherpad? | 16:25 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: sure, thanks! | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Done. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: thanks a lot! | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: No problem. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | If those of you who are in Europe and Asia can indicate which topics you want scheduled earlier in the day I will work on putting a schedule together for the topics later this week. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Have that ready by Monday so people can take a look at it and plan accordingly. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Also, please add topics in there. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | This is going to be a rare time that we can actually work all together so the more we can discuss the better. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I added a couple other ways we can use the time to clean up bugs and patches. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Any other questions/concerns about the current list of topics? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | That would be time well spent. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah. | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. If there aren't any more topics right now, I know that we will think of them as we are in the room working together. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Next topic: | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Are we ok with allowing changes to things other than just the drivers in driverfixes/newton | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Are we ok with allowing changes to things other than just the drivers in driverfixes/newton (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:32 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/633031 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | So, the patch above brought up the question of what we were ok letting in to driverfixes/newton | 16:33 |
| e0ne | it could become a bit uncontrollable if we allow all fixes to driverfixes/* branches | 16:33 |
| eharney | hrmm | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | At the time we created the branch we had said we would only allow driverfixes. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: That was the concern | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | We had originally talked about deleting everything but drivers to make sure no one used those as stable branches. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Doesn't look like Keith Mnemonic is here. | 16:34 |
| eharney | we also said nobody was supposed to be running this branch directly | 16:34 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: That is right. | 16:34 |
| eharney | but i'm not sure whether that's a pro or con for landing this :) | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I've gone back and forth on this in light of extended maintenance changes. But I think I would feel better if we kept the policy that these are only for drivers patches. | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | The rest is out of scope for the purpose of these. And things ocata and later change because we actually do have extended maintenance on them. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | If someone needs something in those older branches, that's on the vendors that are still supporting running releases that old. | 16:35 |
| eharney | i'm inclined to agree mostly because it only applies to newton and mitaka so it hopefully isn't a big detriment to just not do it | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, that is consistent with the conversations we originally had. | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | The extended maint only went back to Ocata. | 16:36 |
| eharney | also, we don't run tempest on this branch | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | And the original concern still stands that we don't want anyone to mistake these for something they can pull down and run. Especially without tempest, we have no way of knowing how broken that would be. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so it sounds like we are still at the same point we were at when we originally made the branch. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | That we shouldn't merge anything that isn't for just drivers. | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | that seems to make the most sense | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | someone really desperate can fork on github and good luck to them | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. That sounds like a decision then. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Ah, no. Don't even say that. ;-) | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | i take it back! | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so lets move to the next subject: | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic os-brick to validate WWN upon connection | 16:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "os-brick to validate WWN upon connection (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:41 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-brick/+bug/1813609 | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1813609 in os-brick "Data corruption when os-brick uses defunct devices for new volume connections" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Avishay Traeger (avishay-il) | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | avishay_: ... | 16:41 |
| avishay_ | Yo | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Yo yo | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:41 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ | 16:41 |
| avishay_ | So basically we saw a case where devices on a host weren't cleaned properly, and a new connection reused those devices | 16:42 |
| avishay_ | All kinds of badness | 16:42 |
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| avishay_ | So the proposed solution is for drivers to return the expected WWN with the initialize connection data, and for os-brick to validate it | 16:42 |
| avishay_ | I have patches up for: | 16:42 |
| avishay_ | os-brick: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/633676/2 | 16:43 |
| avishay_ | and Pure driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/633680/2 | 16:43 |
| avishay_ | I guess the main question that keeps coming up is tracking which drivers still need to support it | 16:43 |
| avishay_ | Questions? :) | 16:43 |
| eharney | how do we determine which drivers need to support it? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | So, we had talked about creating an etherpad to track who had implemented the fix. | 16:44 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: maybe we can consider storyboard | 16:44 |
| avishay_ | I guess it's any driver that reuses LUNs | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Maybe use a coordinated topic on the patches to organize them a bit. | 16:44 |
| avishay_ | eharney: ^ | 16:44 |
| erlon | avishay_, isn't that related to the concurrency problem that geguileo fixed some time ago? | 16:45 |
| eharney | ah, ok | 16:45 |
| avishay_ | Also, my proposed os-brick fix addresses iSCSI. FC is also affected in the same way, but I don't have hardware to test a fix. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Good point. That is also a topic for the Mid-cycle. | 16:45 |
| erlon | where hosts were leaving left over devices | 16:45 |
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| avishay_ | geguileo did great work on cleanup, but I believe there are still corner cases where devices can be left over | 16:46 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok | 16:46 |
| avishay_ | For example network issues during disconnect, or when nova just "forgets" to disconnect | 16:46 |
| geguileo | avishay_: there shouldn't if Nova does things right (which probably doesn't) | 16:46 |
| geguileo | and if one installs the latest code from the iSCSI initiator | 16:47 |
| geguileo | at least not on iSCSI, I haven't thoroughly tested FC | 16:47 |
| avishay_ | So we were running an older version of CentOS and os-brick when it happened (now upgraded all to latest), but still good to have a validation I believe | 16:47 |
| geguileo | avishay_: issues during disconnect are fine (if Nova doesn't just ignore them) | 16:47 |
| geguileo | avishay_: it's not only about a newer version of os-brick | 16:48 |
| geguileo | you also need the right iscsi initiator | 16:48 |
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| avishay_ | geguileo: yes, new CentOS brought new iSCSI initiator with it | 16:48 |
| geguileo | and Nova is probably still ignoring when we fail on disconnect and just proceed as if it went fine | 16:48 |
| geguileo | then we'll have to check the Nova code | 16:48 |
| geguileo | I haven't tested it in a while... | 16:49 |
| geguileo | with error injection I mean | 16:49 |
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| avishay_ | I agree with all of that, but you are still in favor of this patch, correct? | 16:49 |
| geguileo | avishay_: the one that is merging? | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Yeah, I merged that based on discussion the other day. Hope that was ok. | 16:50 |
| geguileo | the patch looks OK | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | I mean, I could stop it. | 16:50 |
| geguileo | though I'm not sure if we'll forcefully disconnect the leftover device when doing it this way | 16:51 |
| avishay_ | I haven't submitted a patch in so long I didn't even realize :P | 16:51 |
| geguileo | avishay_: have you tried that scenario? | 16:51 |
| geguileo | the failure one? | 16:51 |
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| avishay_ | I saw that the attach fails, but honestly didn't notice if the leftover device got cleaned up | 16:52 |
| avishay_ | I can check that first thing tomorrow (already night time here) | 16:52 |
| geguileo | avishay_: that would be great | 16:53 |
| geguileo | at least to know what we can expect | 16:53 |
| avishay_ | OK cool, will report back to you on that | 16:53 |
| geguileo | avishay_: thanks | 16:53 |
| avishay_ | And I guess you all discuss how to track which drivers need to make the change next week in the mid-cycle and I'll try to assist with that | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | #action avishay_ to test if the leftover device is cleaned up. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | avishay_: That sounds like a good plan. | 16:54 |
| avishay_ | Cool cool | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | #action Discuss how to track what drivers need the change in the midcycle next week. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | So, there may be a follow-up patch if the device doesn't get cleaned up as hoped? | 16:55 |
| avishay_ | Indeed | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Also, do we have anyone that can help with the FC aspect? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Do you have FC hardware? | 16:56 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: no, I don't :-( | 16:56 |
| geguileo | so if anybody wants to give me a gift... | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | avishay_: Otherwise you may need to push it back at patrickeast and see if he has FC hardware to test with. He used to. | 16:57 |
| avishay_ | Who uses FC anyway... :P | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Anyway, lets get the iSCSI case taken care of and then discuss the FC problem. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Lets try to get the last topic quickly. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Move 'attach.end' notify to attachment_complete | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move 'attach.end' notify to attachment_complete (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:58 | |
| yikun | OK, thanks. | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | yikun: | 16:58 |
| yikun | This patch we try to move the 'attach.end' notification into attachment_complete (new added in microversion 3.44, the end of new style attach) rather than the end of attachemnt_update (the end of old style attach). | 16:58 |
| yikun | and @hemna had some question about should we send the notification in API, but the fact is we had the precedent that on [1], and I also could not see any other potential problem on it. So I think send the notification in API is OK for me. | 16:58 |
| yikun | and some more background I write in [2], you could take a look. | 16:58 |
| yikun | [1] https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/ee1ac54/cinder/api/v2/volumes.py#L302 | 16:58 |
| yikun | [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625856/3/cinder/volume/manager.py@4452 | 16:58 |
| yikun | So, I just wanna get more feedback on it. :) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. We will try to get some eyes on that then. | 16:59 |
| eharney | if the operation isn't totally done until that point in the API, don't we have to send it from the API? | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds right. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | If we can get more eyes on that it would be good given the sensitivity of that code. | 17:00 |
| whoami-rajat | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625856 | 17:00 |
| yikun | yes, we should send the end notification in the real end. | 17:00 |
| yikun | whoami-rajat: ha, thanks for your link | 17:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. We are over time. | 17:01 |
| whoami-rajat | yikun: :) | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for meeting. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Look forward to seeing some of you next week. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 30 17:01:49 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-01-30-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-01-30-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-01-30-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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