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dkushwaha | #startmeeting tacker | 08:02 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 08:02:08 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkushwaha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 08:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 08:02 |
dkushwaha | #topic Roll Call | 08:02 |
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dkushwaha | who is here for Tacker weekly meeting? | 08:02 |
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phuoc_ | hi | 08:03 |
dkushwaha | hi phuoc_ | 08:03 |
phuoc_ | dkushwaha, good afternoon :) | 08:04 |
dkushwaha | Good afternoon :) | 08:04 |
dkushwaha | phuoc_, how was your vocation ? | 08:05 |
dkushwaha | *vacation | 08:05 |
phuoc_ | I have some drinks, but I am looking for lunar new year :) | 08:06 |
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phuoc_ | I think we should wait or ping other guys | 08:07 |
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dkushwaha | yea, lets wait for few more minutes | 08:07 |
dkushwaha | I hope all members are still on holidays :) | 08:11 |
phuoc_ | dkushwaha, I think so | 08:11 |
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dkushwaha | phuoc_, Do you have something for discussion? | 08:12 |
joxyuki | hi | 08:12 |
dkushwaha | joxyuki, howdy | 08:13 |
phuoc_ | I have some problem with SFC and NSH, I am trying to fix that if it is possible | 08:13 |
phuoc_ | joxyuki, hi | 08:14 |
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dkushwaha | joxyuki, I have seen https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609610/ | 08:15 |
dkushwaha | and it looks fine to me. | 08:15 |
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phuoc_ | LGTM, but I think we should wait https://review.openstack.org/#/c/628940 | 08:16 |
dkushwaha | but before moving ahead on coding patch, we should fridge spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561840/ | 08:16 |
phuoc_ | and rebase that patch | 08:16 |
joxyuki | dkushwaha, thanks. But I have to update the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561840/ | 08:16 |
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dkushwaha | joxyuki, yea, so could you please update the same | 08:17 |
joxyuki | Yes, I have to add some info according to the patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622888/ | 08:18 |
dkushwaha | joxyuki, ok | 08:20 |
dkushwaha | #topic VNF monitoring using Mistral | 08:20 |
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dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486924/ | 08:21 |
phuoc_ | I am waiting the update for that patch | 08:21 |
dkushwaha | I am still hunting on this patch for hardcoded values, and not getting suitable for. | 08:21 |
dkushwaha | * and not getting suitable way for that. | 08:22 |
dkushwaha | I wish, I will update it in couple of days | 08:22 |
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dkushwaha | moving ahead.. | 08:24 |
dkushwaha | #topic force-delete resources | 08:24 |
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dkushwaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602528/ | 08:24 |
dkushwaha | phuoc_, joxyuki could you please review spec. | 08:25 |
phuoc_ | yes, I will spend time to look at it | 08:25 |
joxyuki | yes, me too | 08:25 |
dkushwaha | thanks | 08:26 |
dkushwaha | phuoc_, Regarding your SFC & NSH patch | 08:28 |
phuoc_ | dkushwaha, yes | 08:28 |
dkushwaha | do you have some docs related to that, I needs to look into it for deeper understanding | 08:29 |
dkushwaha | that will be very helpful | 08:30 |
phuoc_ | I don't have offical document, I am trying to look at NSH guide in ovs documents | 08:31 |
phuoc_ | when I test SFC, only mpls works | 08:31 |
phuoc_ | with enabling NSH, it is not working, I will send you some document if I figure it out :) | 08:32 |
dkushwaha | phuoc_, Thanks, that will be helpful for me | 08:33 |
dkushwaha | #topic Open Discussion | 08:33 |
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dkushwaha | we are in Stein-2, so lets try to finish spec patchs | 08:35 |
dkushwaha | Do we have something more to discuss today ? | 08:36 |
phuoc_ | nothing from me | 08:36 |
dkushwaha | ok, Thanks phuoc_ joxyuki | 08:37 |
dkushwaha | Closing this meeting for now | 08:37 |
joxyuki | bye | 08:37 |
phuoc_ | bye :) | 08:37 |
dkushwaha | bye | 08:37 |
dkushwaha | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 08:37:32 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2019/tacker.2019-01-08-08.02.html | 08:37 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2019/tacker.2019-01-08-08.02.txt | 08:37 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2019/tacker.2019-01-08-08.02.log.html | 08:37 |
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slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 16:00:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
slaweq | hi | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
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hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
slaweq | hi hongbin | 16:01 |
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slaweq | mlavalle: ping :) | 16:01 |
mlavalle | o/ | 16:02 |
slaweq | hi mlavalle | 16:02 |
mlavalle | sorry, distracted looking at code | 16:02 |
slaweq | I think we can start now | 16:02 |
mlavalle | thanks for pinging me | 16:02 |
slaweq | haleyb: bcafarel and njohnson will not be available probably | 16:02 |
slaweq | mlavalle: no problem :) | 16:02 |
slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
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mlavalle | they are not getting paid, right? | 16:02 |
slaweq | why? :) | 16:03 |
mlavalle | they didn't show up today | 16:03 |
mlavalle | just kidding | 16:03 |
slaweq | they are on internal meetup this week | 16:03 |
slaweq | so they are busy | 16:03 |
mlavalle | is that all week long? | 16:03 |
slaweq | tuesday to thursday | 16:04 |
mlavalle | cool | 16:04 |
mlavalle | so I know not to bother them | 16:04 |
slaweq | :) | 16:04 |
slaweq | ok, so lets go with actions from last year then :) | 16:04 |
slaweq | mlavalle will continue debugging trunk tests failures in multinode dvr env | 16:04 |
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mlavalle | yes | 16:05 |
mlavalle | I continued working on it. Yesterday I wrote an update in the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1795870/comments/8 | 16:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1795870 in neutron "Trunk scenario test test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails from time to time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 16:05 |
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slaweq | yes, I saw this comment yesterday | 16:06 |
mlavalle | Based on the evidence that I list in that note, it seems to me the dvr router is not being scheduled in one of the hosts | 16:06 |
mlavalle | in this case the controller | 16:06 |
mlavalle | the router in question doesn't show up at all in the le agent log in that host | 16:06 |
slaweq | so vm which were on controller wasn't reachable? | 16:06 |
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slaweq | or vm on subnode wasn't reachable? | 16:06 |
mlavalle | so I am looking at the router scheduling code | 16:07 |
mlavalle | the one in the controller | 16:07 |
slaweq | ahh, ok | 16:07 |
slaweq | so that we can rule out network connectivity between nodes as the reason | 16:08 |
mlavalle | yes, we can rule that out | 16:08 |
slaweq | ok | 16:08 |
mlavalle | I know that because other tests run | 16:08 |
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slaweq | yes, but it could be that e.g. tests where vm was spawned on subnode were failed and tests where vm was spawned on controller were passing - then You couldn't rule that out | 16:09 |
slaweq | but in such case if vm on controller didn't work, it isn't underlay network issue | 16:10 |
mlavalle | no, becasue there are tests where 2 vms, one in controller and one in compute, are passing | 16:10 |
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slaweq | yes, so we can definitely rule out issues with underlay network :) | 16:10 |
mlavalle | hang on | 16:10 |
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mlavalle | you wrote this test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/598676/ | 16:11 |
mlavalle | and the vms run in both hosts, right? | 16:11 |
mlavalle | this test passes | 16:12 |
slaweq | yes, they should be on separate nodes always | 16:12 |
mlavalle | that test led me to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/597567 | 16:12 |
mlavalle | which merged in November | 16:12 |
slaweq | yes, it was big patch | 16:13 |
mlavalle | and where we made significant changes to dvr scheduling | 16:13 |
mlavalle | so I am looking at that code now | 16:13 |
slaweq | ok | 16:13 |
mlavalle | that is why I got late to this meeting ;-) | 16:13 |
slaweq | :) | 16:13 |
slaweq | ok, so You are justified now :P | 16:13 |
mlavalle | that's where I am right now | 16:13 |
mlavalle | I'll continue pushing forward | 16:13 |
slaweq | ok, thx a lot | 16:14 |
mlavalle | I might push a DNM patch to do some testing | 16:14 |
slaweq | sure, let me know if You will need any help | 16:14 |
slaweq | #action mlavalle will continue debugging trunk tests failures in multinode dvr env | 16:14 |
slaweq | thx mlavalle for working on this | 16:14 |
mlavalle | thanks | 16:14 |
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slaweq | ok, lets move on to the next one | 16:15 |
slaweq | haleyb to report bugs about recent errors in L3 agent logs | 16:15 |
mlavalle | can I make one additional comment | 16:15 |
mlavalle | ? | 16:15 |
slaweq | sure | 16:15 |
slaweq | go on | 16:15 |
mlavalle | several of the other failures in the dvr mltinode job exhibit similar behavior.... | 16:16 |
mlavalle | the VM cannot reach the metadata service | 16:16 |
mlavalle | so this might be the commong cause of several of the failures trying to ssh to instances | 16:16 |
slaweq | yes, I also think that, I saw some other tests with similar issues, it's not always same test | 16:17 |
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mlavalle | so this is related to the email you sent me in december | 16:17 |
mlavalle | with ssh failures | 16:18 |
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* mlavalle trying to show diligence with homework assigned by El Comandante | 16:18 | |
slaweq | mlavalle: but it's not always dvr jobs with such failures | 16:18 |
slaweq | e.g. here: * haleyb to report bugs about recent errors in L3 agent logs | 16:18 |
slaweq | sorry | 16:18 |
slaweq | http://logs.openstack.org/09/626109/10/check/tempest-full/fab9ab0/testr_results.html.gz | 16:18 |
slaweq | it is the same issue | 16:19 |
slaweq | and it's single node tempest job | 16:19 |
slaweq | without dvr | 16:19 |
mlavalle | ok, I'll look at that then | 16:19 |
mlavalle | it is useful data | 16:19 |
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slaweq | I saw in this job some errors in L3 agent logs: http://logs.openstack.org/09/626109/10/check/tempest-full/fab9ab0/controller/logs/screen-q-l3.txt.gz?level=ERROR | 16:20 |
slaweq | but I'm not sure if that is related to the issue or not | 16:20 |
slaweq | ok, can we move on then? | 16:21 |
mlavalle | yes, I'll look a that | 16:22 |
slaweq | thx mlavalle | 16:22 |
mlavalle | thanks for the pointers | 16:22 |
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slaweq | You welcome :) | 16:22 |
slaweq | ok, lets move on | 16:22 |
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slaweq | haleyb to report bugs about recent errors in L3 agent logs | 16:22 |
slaweq | haleyb is not here | 16:22 |
slaweq | but he opened bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1809134 | 16:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1809134 in neutron "TypeError in QoS gateway_ip code in l3-agent logs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 16:23 |
slaweq | and he is working on it so we should be fine | 16:23 |
slaweq | I think we can move on to the next one then | 16:24 |
slaweq | slaweq to talk with bcafarel about SIGHUP issue in functional py3 tests | 16:24 |
slaweq | I talked with bcafarel, he checked that and he found that this issue is now fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/624006/ | 16:24 |
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slaweq | any questions or do You want to talk about something else related to last week's actions? | 16:25 |
mlavalle | cool | 16:25 |
slaweq | or can we move on as that was all actions from last meeting | 16:26 |
slaweq | ok, lets move on then | 16:27 |
mlavalle | let's move on | 16:27 |
slaweq | #topic Python 3 | 16:27 |
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slaweq | Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_ci_python3 | 16:27 |
slaweq | in this etherpad You can track progress of switching our CI to python3 | 16:28 |
slaweq | recently I did some patches related to it: | 16:28 |
slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/627806/ | 16:28 |
slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/627053/ | 16:28 |
slaweq | so please review if You will have some time | 16:28 |
slaweq | I’m also working slowly with conversions of neutron-functional job to py3 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577383/ but it isn't ready yet I think | 16:29 |
mlavalle | so I can take an assignment from there | 16:29 |
slaweq | sure | 16:29 |
mlavalle | ok | 16:29 |
mlavalle | cool | 16:29 |
slaweq | in patches which I did I was doing together conversion to zuulv3 and python3 | 16:30 |
mlavalle | that's good idea | 16:30 |
slaweq | but if You want only switch job to py3 now, it's fine too for me | 16:30 |
mlavalle | and good pratice | 16:30 |
slaweq | for some grenade jobs I think njohnston was doing some patches | 16:31 |
mlavalle | ok | 16:31 |
slaweq | but I didn' check those too much recently so I am not sure what is current state of those jobs | 16:31 |
slaweq | but I think that we have good progress on it and we can switch everything in this cycle I hope :) | 16:32 |
mlavalle | great! | 16:32 |
slaweq | btw. I'm not sure if You are aware but there is also almost merged patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622415/ | 16:33 |
slaweq | to switch devstack to be py3 by default | 16:33 |
slaweq | I'm not sure, but then I think all devstack based jobs should be running py3 by default | 16:34 |
mlavalle | let's keep an eye on that | 16:34 |
slaweq | sure | 16:34 |
slaweq | ok, can we move on to the next topic? | 16:35 |
slaweq | I take it as yes | 16:36 |
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slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:36 |
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slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/d/Hj5IHcSmz/neutron-failure-rate?orgId=1 | 16:36 |
slaweq | couple notes on grafana | 16:37 |
slaweq | all tempest and neutron-tempest-plugin jobs are on quite high failure rates recently | 16:37 |
slaweq | and in most cases where I checked it it was this issue where vm couldn't reach metadata or issue where SSH to instance wasn't possible | 16:38 |
slaweq | I know that mlavalle will continue work on first problem | 16:38 |
mlavalle | yeah | 16:38 |
slaweq | so I can try to debug second one | 16:38 |
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mlavalle | ok | 16:38 |
slaweq | #action slaweq to debug problems with ssh to vm in tempest tests | 16:38 |
mlavalle | yes, I thionk it is the right approach | 16:38 |
slaweq | if I will find anything I will open bug/bugs for it | 16:39 |
slaweq | there is also one more issue worth to mention, recently we had Functional tests failing 100% times, that was caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1810518 | 16:39 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1810518 in oslo.privsep "neutron-functional tests failing with oslo.privsep 1.31" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ben Nemec (bnemec) | 16:39 |
slaweq | for now it is workaround by lowering oslo.privsep version in requirements repo but we need to fix this issue somehow | 16:40 |
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slaweq | I talked with rubasov today and he has no idea how to fix this :/ | 16:41 |
mlavalle | ok | 16:41 |
slaweq | I also spent few hours on it today | 16:41 |
mlavalle | well was worth trying | 16:41 |
slaweq | I described my findings in comment on launchpad but I have no idea how to deal with it | 16:41 |
slaweq | I have no any experience with ctypes lib and calling C functions from python | 16:42 |
slaweq | and together with threading | 16:42 |
slaweq | I will ask bnemec today if he found something maybe | 16:43 |
slaweq | and we will see what to do with it next | 16:43 |
slaweq | anything else You want to add/ask here? | 16:44 |
mlavalle | if you get stuck, let me know | 16:44 |
slaweq | mlavalle: sure, thx | 16:44 |
mlavalle | if nothing else, it is a good learning opportunity | 16:44 |
slaweq | yes, it is | 16:44 |
mlavalle | ctypes, C, etc | 16:44 |
slaweq | I read a lot about it today :) | 16:44 |
slaweq | ok, lets move on | 16:45 |
slaweq | #topic fullstack/functional | 16:45 |
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slaweq | according to fullstack tests | 16:45 |
slaweq | we still have opened issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798475 | 16:45 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1798475 in neutron "Fullstack test test_ha_router_restart_agents_no_packet_lost failing" [High,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 16:45 |
slaweq | liuyulong told me today that he couldn’t spot it recently too much. We will continue work on it | 16:46 |
slaweq | about functional tests | 16:46 |
slaweq | I have small update according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687027 | 16:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1687027 in neutron "test_walk_versions tests fail with "IndexError: tuple index out of range" after timeout" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:46 |
slaweq | I was checking those failed db migrations | 16:47 |
slaweq | and it looks that this isn't any specific problem in Neutron migration scripts | 16:47 |
slaweq | it's just issue with IO performance on some cloud providers probably | 16:47 |
mlavalle | ahhh | 16:48 |
mlavalle | yeah, that makes it difficult to fix | 16:48 |
slaweq | I described in comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687027/comments/41 my findings | 16:48 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1687027 in neutron "test_walk_versions tests fail with "IndexError: tuple index out of range" after timeout" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:48 |
slaweq | basically in such timeouted run, every step in migration takes very long time | 16:48 |
slaweq | and dstat shows me that it was belowe 100 IOPS during such test | 16:49 |
slaweq | while during "good" test run there was more than 2000 IOPS where I was checking it | 16:49 |
mlavalle | right | 16:49 |
mlavalle | so we are hitting a limit | 16:49 |
slaweq | I think that sometimes we are just on some slow nodes and that is the reason | 16:50 |
slaweq | I talked with infra about it | 16:50 |
slaweq | they told me that they had some issues with one provider recently but this should be fixed now | 16:50 |
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slaweq | I want to send patch which will unmark those tests as unstable | 16:51 |
mlavalle | ahh, so there's hope | 16:51 |
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slaweq | and try to recheck it for some time to see if that will happen again | 16:51 |
mlavalle | yeap | 16:51 |
slaweq | when I was looking at logstash few days ago it wasn't too much such issues | 16:51 |
slaweq | but we will probably have them from time to time still | 16:51 |
slaweq | and that's all for functional/fullstack tests from me for today | 16:52 |
slaweq | do You want to add something? | 16:52 |
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slaweq | ok, so I guess that we can go to the next topic now :) | 16:53 |
slaweq | #topic Tempest/Scenario | 16:53 |
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slaweq | according to tempest/scenario tests, we already discussed about our 2 main issues there | 16:53 |
slaweq | so I just wanted to ask about one thing | 16:53 |
mlavalle | yes | 16:53 |
slaweq | I recently send patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/627970/ which adds non-voting tempest job based on Fedora | 16:54 |
slaweq | I wanted to ask for review and for opinions from community if it's fine for You to have such job | 16:54 |
slaweq | it's running on py3 of course :) | 16:55 |
mlavalle | I'm ok with it | 16:55 |
slaweq | great mlavalle, thx :) | 16:55 |
mlavalle | have we seen oppostion in other projecs? | 16:55 |
slaweq | I don't know about any | 16:55 |
mlavalle | ok | 16:56 |
mlavalle | I'm fine with it | 16:56 |
slaweq | thx mlavalle | 16:56 |
slaweq | please add this patch to Your review list :) | 16:56 |
mlavalle | I just did :-) | 16:57 |
slaweq | thx :) | 16:57 |
slaweq | ok, so that's all from my side for today | 16:57 |
slaweq | do You want to talk about anything else quickly? | 16:57 |
mlavalle | nope | 16:57 |
slaweq | ok, so thx for attending mlavalle and hongbin | 16:58 |
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mlavalle | thanks for the great faciliatio, as always | 16:58 |
slaweq | see You next week | 16:58 |
mlavalle | o/ | 16:58 |
slaweq | o/ | 16:58 |
slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 16:58:26 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-01-08-16.00.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-01-08-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2019/neutron_ci.2019-01-08-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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clarkb | Anyone here for the infra meeting? | 18:59 |
clarkb | we'll get started in a couple minutes | 18:59 |
cmurphy | o/ | 18:59 |
corvus | o/ | 18:59 |
gary_perkins | o/ | 19:00 |
fungi | aloha | 19:00 |
jhesketh | Morning | 19:00 |
clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 19:01:09 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
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diablo_rojo | o/ | 19:01 |
Shrews | o/ | 19:01 |
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clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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clarkb | I don't actually have any announcements | 19:02 |
clarkb | welcome back everyoen! | 19:02 |
frickler | o/ | 19:02 |
clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-12-18-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:03 |
clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:fedora29 Fedora29 support in our toolchain | 19:03 |
clarkb | there are still a few outstanding reviews for getting fedora 29 up and running if you have time to go and review those changes and their dependencies | 19:03 |
clarkb | Looking at other recent lists of actions we got the storyboard mysql changes in and next step is for fungi to boot new servers for storyboard | 19:04 |
clarkb | fungi: ^ did that happen when I was not paying attention to my computer? | 19:04 |
fungi | i got sidelined working through a prerequisite | 19:05 |
fungi | so that we can include rebuilds on xenial | 19:05 |
clarkb | ok, let us know if we can help | 19:05 |
fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gCj4NfcnbW tentative database move plan | 19:05 |
fungi | i think i'm going to just do the server rebuilds as a separate first step | 19:06 |
fungi | and wanted to build the instances as, e.g., storyboard-dev01.opendev.org | 19:06 |
clarkb | ++ | 19:06 |
fungi | (keeping the vhost storyboard-dev.openstack.org) | 19:06 |
mordred | o/ | 19:06 |
fungi | but yeah, that was the series of glob/regex updates to allow us to have opendev.org instance names | 19:07 |
fungi | which i think we're through now, or at least i'm not aware of any other lingering bugs/fallout from | 19:07 |
fungi | so should be able to pick that back up this week | 19:07 |
clarkb | Also now that I think about it I do have an announcement. At 2000UTC (after this meeting) corvus and mordred are doing the vexxhost + kubernetes + ceph + percona + gitea brain dump thing. I believe the plan is to record it for those that can't make it | 19:07 |
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Shrews | i hope alcohol is being served then, too | 19:08 |
anteaya | where is that taking place? | 19:08 |
clarkb | fungi: and ya I think those bits should be sorted now for opendev stuff. The next big hurdle is tls/ssl for actually using opendev dns records (but we have time for that later in the agenda) | 19:09 |
clarkb | anteaya: on pbx.openstack.org room 6561 | 19:09 |
anteaya | thanks | 19:09 |
clarkb | #topic Specs approval | 19:09 |
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clarkb | I did end up approving the opendev git hosting and storyboard attachments specs after my flight last month | 19:09 |
clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/581214 Anomaly Detection in CI Logs | 19:10 |
clarkb | This spec is still active and after review I do think it is close. If anyone else is able to take a look at it soon that would be great, but I'd like to check with tristanC and dirk about putting it up for approval soon | 19:10 |
clarkb | corvus: it has a small intersection with the way we host logs, but tristanC says we can do everything client side if we want to (so not a major concern but you may want to take a quick look given your work around logs and artifacts and swift) | 19:11 |
clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:12 |
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clarkb | #topic Update Config Management | 19:12 |
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clarkb | just prior to and after the holidays I made a push with cmurphy to get a large stack of our futureparser changes in | 19:13 |
cmurphy | o/ | 19:13 |
mordred | \o/ | 19:13 |
cmurphy | it looks like pretty much all of them are in? | 19:13 |
cmurphy | except ask.o.o and openstackid | 19:13 |
clarkb | cmurphy: I think we are currently up against the fact that smarcet and fungi are doing work on openstackid hosts nowish so adding futureparser to the mix would complicate things | 19:13 |
clarkb | cmurphy: I think we should rebase to put openstackid at the very end of the stack and if there are any remaining hosts not already in the list we put them before openstackid | 19:13 |
fungi | yeah, smarcet is in the middle of trying to upfit openstackid source code to newer laravel and php, so has openstackid.org in the disable list | 19:14 |
cmurphy | clarkb: I already did that so those should be the last in the stack | 19:14 |
clarkb | cmurphy: I think afs nodes and kerberos nodes and maybe one or two tohers may still need to be added? | 19:15 |
cmurphy | i didn't propose anything for the afs servers or kerberos servers, i wasn't sure if they were already mostly ansibled? | 19:15 |
cmurphy | the only other one is ask | 19:15 |
clarkb | (i'd have to cross check against the puppet group, which I can actually ask ansible for a full listing of and diff against the futureparser group) | 19:15 |
clarkb | ah ok | 19:15 |
clarkb | I don't think afs or kerberos are mostly ansibled yet, but ianw was working on it? | 19:15 |
cmurphy | I can add them | 19:16 |
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ianw | the client side is, not the server side | 19:16 |
clarkb | cmurphy: I think we should consider anything in the puppet group as valid for adding to the futureparser group | 19:16 |
cmurphy | kk | 19:16 |
cmurphy | for the actual puppet upgrade I'd rather not do it the same way as we've been doing the future parser changes because it has been taking a long time, i think it's safe to do it in bigger batches | 19:17 |
clarkb | cmurphy: ya futureparser should catch most of our issues? | 19:17 |
cmurphy | yeah | 19:17 |
clarkb | in any case, much progress so thank you for that | 19:17 |
fungi | agreed, a big bang is likely fine for that phase | 19:17 |
clarkb | on the ansible + docker side of things I think we have all of the groundwork for allowing people to start sorting out actual docker hosted services | 19:18 |
mordred | yah | 19:18 |
clarkb | I want to say that image management (of some sort) is the next big hurdle there. Likely to be a service by service thing ? | 19:19 |
mordred | I'm not sure that'll be super hard- kind of similar to publishing things to pypi and stuff | 19:19 |
mordred | but yeah - until we've done it done it - we haven't done it | 19:19 |
corvus | i have changes in flight to start on building images | 19:20 |
mordred | definitely will go service to service as to whether we're consuming someone else's image or building our own | 19:20 |
clarkb | corvus: for gitea? | 19:20 |
clarkb | ianw ^ you may be interested in that for graphite | 19:20 |
corvus | #link gitea dockerfile https://review.openstack.org/626387 | 19:20 |
corvus | includes playbooks, roles, jobs for building and uploading | 19:21 |
clarkb | corvus: I wonder if we can semi standardize the building parts into zuul-jobs? | 19:21 |
clarkb | that is probably a followup task once we have something we are happy with though | 19:21 |
corvus | perhaps | 19:22 |
corvus | there are some particular things i'm doing with tags which may or may not be fully generalizable | 19:22 |
corvus | i agree it's worth considering, and will be easy to move the roles if it works out | 19:22 |
mordred | ++ | 19:23 |
mordred | and easier for us to ponder generalizing once we've got a couple of examples too | 19:23 |
clarkb | ok so I t hink the take away here is we've removed known roadblocks and are ready for people to start building images and deploying services this way. Please let everyone know if you discover new roadblocks or things we need to consider more broadly. Otherwise I'm excited to see these efforts come together as deployed services | 19:24 |
mordred | definitely check out the dockerfile though - it's a nice multi-stage build that winds up with an optimized final image | 19:24 |
corvus | the actual job i added in that change passes, it's just had a run of bad lock with unrelated jobs | 19:24 |
corvus | i rechecked it again; we should have been able to land it last year. :) | 19:24 |
corvus | also this one is good for folks to know about: | 19:25 |
corvus | #link jinja-init dockerfile https://review.openstack.org/626626 | 19:25 |
fungi | with careful manipulation of timestamps maybe we still can ;) | 19:25 |
corvus | that's a pattern we may find useful | 19:25 |
clarkb | The last subtopic in my notes for config mgmt updates is zuul driven deployment. Do we want to try picking that up again or do we want to keep focusing on puppet4 and docker related efforts for now? | 19:26 |
Shrews | Is there process documentation? | 19:26 |
corvus | you'll need to see https://review.openstack.org/626759 to see it in use | 19:26 |
corvus | Shrews: can you elaborate on the question? | 19:27 |
Shrews | Probably getting ahead of the next meeting, but docs on building & deploying new services | 19:28 |
clarkb | On the topic of docs I think we are still in figure it out mode for a lot of this, but once we get services running in this manner we should update the system-config docs for that service with details. Then if we end up with common practice across services have a centralized "this is what the container deployed service look like" doc | 19:28 |
corvus | clarkb: ++ | 19:28 |
clarkb | similar to how we haev links to the puppet manifests we can link to the dockerfiles and the most recently built image and so on | 19:29 |
corvus | #link jinja-init docs: https://github.com/ObjectifLibre/jinja-init | 19:29 |
corvus | on that subject... | 19:29 |
clarkb | in theory one of the things this should enable is simpler local testing/interaction | 19:30 |
clarkb | which hopefully makes the docs easier to consume too (because you can run the thing side by side with the docs) | 19:30 |
corvus | i've been thinking that for the plain docker deployments (ie, not k8s), we should look at using docker-compose | 19:30 |
fungi | yeah, one i noticed could use some updating already is the dns document in system-config | 19:30 |
mordred | corvus: ++ | 19:30 |
fungi | since it refers to adding things in puppet | 19:30 |
clarkb | corvus: that is how I run all my containers at home so would not be opposed. We should double check if that changes our networking assumptions though | 19:31 |
corvus | even a simple single-app-in-a-container deployment has some ancillary things (like volumes) that are really well expressed via docker-compose. and the zuul quickstart has some ansible to run docker-compose. | 19:31 |
clarkb | fungi: ++ | 19:31 |
mordred | it has been really pleasing in its zuul quickstart context | 19:31 |
corvus | fungi, clarkb: my bad on dns; i'll update docs | 19:31 |
corvus | #action corvus update dns system-config docs | 19:31 |
fungi | corvus: i'd have updated them but wasn't quite sure what i might be missing | 19:32 |
clarkb | anything else before we move on? we have a few more agenda items I'd like to get to | 19:32 |
clarkb | #topic Storyboard | 19:34 |
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clarkb | fungi: diablo_rojo really quickly wanted to double check that with the attachments spec merged and with mysql changes in place we've largely gotten the ball moving on infra related storyboard tasks? | 19:34 |
clarkb | anything else we should ahve on our radar? | 19:34 |
diablo_rojo | Nothing atm, just getting started/organized for this new year | 19:35 |
fungi | i don't think so | 19:35 |
diablo_rojo | I think there are some open reviews that could use some help | 19:35 |
diablo_rojo | But nothing other than that | 19:35 |
clarkb | good to know, thanks | 19:35 |
clarkb | #topic OpenDev | 19:35 |
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clarkb | At this point I think we are completetly moved over to OpenDev DNS servers for our dns hosting and we can cleanup the old openstack.org nameservers. | 19:36 |
clarkb | fungi managed to update our ansible and puppet to accept openstack.org or opendev.org hostnames as appropriate | 19:36 |
clarkb | The website has content hosted on it now too (though its super simple and if people want to make it look nicer they are more than welcome) | 19:37 |
fungi | yep, lmk if you notice any other problems which seem to result from that | 19:37 |
fungi | oh, though i think the one i ran into over the holidays turned out not to have been a result of that change | 19:37 |
fungi | now i don't remember what it was | 19:37 |
fungi | so many eggnogs between then and now | 19:38 |
clarkb | I think this means that any new servers we boot should be booted in the opendev.org domain | 19:38 |
mordred | zomg. so craycray | 19:38 |
fungi | well, it's worth a try anyway | 19:38 |
clarkb | we should already specify vhost names for any of our services that have digits in their host names | 19:38 |
clarkb | so this should be safe for those hosts | 19:38 |
fungi | as i said, i'll try launching storyboard-dev01.opendev.org rsn | 19:38 |
clarkb | that will be a good test | 19:38 |
mordred | ++ | 19:39 |
fungi | i haven't exercised the latest iteration of launch-node so fingers crossed | 19:39 |
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clarkb | The next step after that is actually hosting things at foo.opendev.org. For many services this requires ssl certs for foo.opendev.org and possibly altnames for foo.openstack.org (so that we support existing users of $services with redirects) | 19:39 |
clarkb | Lets go ahead and skip ahead in the agenda to talking about letsencrypt now considering ^ | 19:40 |
fungi | we have a few we could do sooner... paste/lodgeit comes to mind | 19:40 |
clarkb | fungi: ianw: do we still think that is our best path forward? and if so is it reasonable to get up and running in the near future to support some service updates (like for paste and etherpad) | 19:41 |
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clarkb | or should we consider continuing to pay for certs in the near term? | 19:41 |
ianw | i think it's worth a proof of concept | 19:42 |
clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587283/ letsencrypt spec | 19:42 |
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fungi | as i've not had time to write up the alternative le suggestion involving separate accounts per service instead of the central broker/proxy solution, i'm not going to push back against that design even though it does seem like it would have a lot more complexity | 19:42 |
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ianw | do we know of anyone else who has deployed LE in a similar fashion? | 19:43 |
clarkb | ok maybe we can get a rebase on the spec and attempt to move forwadr with it? I expect this will become an important piece of the near term opendev puzzle (granted we can buy new certs too) | 19:44 |
ianw | i mean in a similar project environment, i mean | 19:44 |
clarkb | ianw: cloudnull was using it for osic and may have had similar setup for all the various openstack services? | 19:44 |
clarkb | (I don't think we need to have the answers here today, just want to point it out as a piece that has priority trending in the upward direction) | 19:45 |
ianw | well i've laid out in there the spec the issues as I see them, so I'm very open to discussion on the implementation | 19:46 |
clarkb | let me know if I can help sort out details too | 19:46 |
clarkb | ianw: yup was motly concerned that I think fungi had reservations. Maybe we can move that discussion to spec or in irc later today? | 19:46 |
clarkb | our hour is running out and we have a couple more items to get to so I'll move on | 19:47 |
ianw | i can have a re-read and rebase today anyway, it has been a while so maybe on context switching back in new thoughts occur | 19:47 |
clarkb | ++ | 19:47 |
clarkb | #topic General Topics | 19:47 |
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clarkb | I wanted to check in on the github admin account changes. I think fungi fully removed himself as admin on our orgs and things are working with the admin account | 19:48 |
clarkb | Do we want to forcefully remove everyone at this point and point at the admin account? or do we want everyone to remove themselves or? | 19:48 |
clarkb | fungi: ^ you probably have thoguhts since you went through the process for yourself | 19:48 |
corvus | i don't object to being removed | 19:49 |
fungi | yeah, i got our shared account added to all the other gh orgs we maintain | 19:49 |
fungi | (before i removed mine) so they're all bootstrapped now | 19:49 |
fungi | at least all the orgs i'm aware of. if i was an admin for it, i added our shared admin account before removing myself. let's put it that way | 19:50 |
mordred | awesome. I also don't mind being removed - or I can remove myself | 19:50 |
clarkb | my only other concern was account recovery. Do we need to encrypt and stash the recovery codes? | 19:50 |
clarkb | I believe that github is fairly unforgiving about account recovery if you lose those? | 19:50 |
fungi | ianw's instructions in the password list were nice and clear on how to use totp on bridge to generate the second factor otp | 19:50 |
fungi | and includes the recovery key too, iirc | 19:51 |
corvus | yep, i've completed a test login on the new account with no issues | 19:51 |
mordred | clarkb, corvus: I'm removing myself now - want me to remove you too? | 19:51 |
clarkb | mordred: I think I'll remove myself so I'm familiar with the process | 19:51 |
mordred | kk | 19:51 |
corvus | mordred: are you using the new account to do so, or your own? | 19:51 |
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mordred | corvus: I was just going to use my own - but I coudl use the new account if that's better | 19:52 |
ianw | i removed myself under my own account the other day | 19:52 |
ianw | it seemed to work | 19:52 |
corvus | mordred: for you and i, i think it would be better to use the new account, as a final sanity check that we've got everything :) | 19:52 |
mordred | corvus: that's a good point | 19:52 |
mordred | in that case, I'm not going to do that just right now :) | 19:52 |
fungi | i used my account to remove my account (but only after i confirmed the shared account was working on those orgs of course) | 19:52 |
clarkb | And really quickly before our hour is up I've been asked if the infra team would like to attend the PTG. The PTG runs after the summit May 2-4 in Denver. | 19:53 |
corvus | since if there's some orphan org, mordred and i are the most likely to have access to that | 19:53 |
clarkb | I don't need an answer now (we have until January 20 to respond) | 19:53 |
clarkb | but it would be helpful if we could get a general feel for whether or not peolpe plan to attend and whether or not we can be productive after also summiting | 19:53 |
fungi | i expect to be at the ptg. that beer in denver's not gonna drink itself | 19:53 |
mordred | clarkb: I will be at the PTG - I'm ahppy to be there with an infra hat on | 19:54 |
clarkb | I expect that if we can make it and not be zombies then it will be a great opportunity to work on opendev and the config mgmt stuff | 19:54 |
clarkb | I'll followup to the infra lst with ^ this info and ask for feedback thoughts there too | 19:54 |
corvus | agreed -- it's the zombie thing i'm most concerned about and need to reflect on a bit | 19:54 |
clarkb | corvus: ya me too particularly after berlin. | 19:54 |
clarkb | I was really zombied | 19:55 |
anteaya | zombied? | 19:55 |
anteaya | tired? | 19:55 |
clarkb | anteaya: conference plague and exhaustion | 19:55 |
anteaya | ah thanks | 19:55 |
corvus | anteaya: too tired to even use english correctly :) | 19:55 |
anteaya | that makes sense | 19:55 |
clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
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jhesketh | I'm unsure if I can make Denver, but given the travel for me the more I can pack in the better. | 19:55 |
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anteaya | though I can't imagine a state where you can't use english correctly corvus | 19:55 |
clarkb | before our hour is up I'll open it up to missed/forgotten/last minute items | 19:56 |
jhesketh | Granted I'm usually a zombie anyway | 19:56 |
mordred | jhesketh: BRAAAAINS | 19:56 |
anteaya | jhesketh: in a nice way | 19:56 |
clarkb | jhesketh: thats a good point | 19:56 |
clarkb | the more packed in may make travel more worthwhile for some | 19:56 |
jhesketh | To be honest, I'm kinda unsure why we wouldn't. We might not be as productive as usual, but what do we have to lose? | 19:57 |
fungi | (besides our sanity, if we still have any i mean) | 19:58 |
jhesketh | Hah | 19:58 |
clarkb | jhesketh: ya I think it was more mostly a concern that if general feeling was flying home on the 2nd after summit then maybe we don't do it. But sounds like that isn't the case for most who have chimed in so far | 19:58 |
jhesketh | I lost that a long time ago | 19:58 |
clarkb | and as you say maybe we are zombies and don't get much done but we won't know until we get there and try | 19:58 |
fungi | most of us have acclimated ourselves to these marathon conferences | 19:58 |
corvus | this is... longer than we've had before | 19:59 |
clarkb | corvus: especially if you factor in board meeting type pre activity | 19:59 |
clarkb | its like an 8 day conference | 19:59 |
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clarkb | and with that we are just about at time. Join us for kubernetes fun in room 6561 on pbx.openstack.org | 20:00 |
clarkb | thank you everyone | 20:00 |
clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 20:00:15 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-01-08-19.01.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-01-08-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2019/infra.2019-01-08-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
fungi | thanks for chairing, clarkb! | 20:00 |
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oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 21:00:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
oneswig | I even spelled it right first time | 21:00 |
oneswig | Hello SIG | 21:00 |
oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_January_8th_2019 | 21:01 |
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oneswig | I'm hoping this year to revive one or two of our oft-discussed activities | 21:02 |
janders | g'day oneswig :) | 21:03 |
janders | Denver CFP open - exciting! :) | 21:03 |
jmlowe | Hello everybody, happy new year | 21:03 |
oneswig | janders: happy new year! | 21:03 |
oneswig | Hi jmlowe, same to you | 21:03 |
janders | Happy New Year 2019 to you guys! :) | 21:03 |
oneswig | Should be an interesting one | 21:04 |
janders | indeed! :) | 21:04 |
oneswig | jmlowe: Are you hosting the LUG again this year? | 21:04 |
jmlowe | I believe I still owe janders a couple of emails | 21:04 |
jmlowe | I don't know | 21:04 |
oneswig | Some of our team here rightly made the point that we've talked a lot about better Lustre support and have yet to do anything about it. | 21:05 |
jmlowe | Looks like Houston | 21:05 |
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oneswig | Ah, thanks for checking | 21:06 |
jmlowe | so we probably have people involved, but not on campus like 2017 | 21:06 |
oneswig | janders: there was somebody from Pawsey with a close interest on Lustre, do you remember their details? | 21:06 |
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oneswig | Our company has a team design summit at the end of this week, I'm hoping we can help generate a spec proposal. Would be good to understand more about use cases for that | 21:08 |
janders_ | sorry, I got kicked out for some reason | 21:08 |
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janders_ | did my question about Lustre-GPFS approach make it or was it lost? | 21:08 |
oneswig | hey janders_, but you gained an underscore on the way back in :-) | 21:09 |
martial__ | (by the end of the year I will have 12 underscore at the end of that nick :) ) | 21:09 |
oneswig | lost to me, sorry | 21:09 |
oneswig | hi martial__ | 21:09 |
janders_ | no worries | 21:09 |
oneswig | #chair martial__ | 21:09 |
openstack | Current chairs: martial__ oneswig | 21:09 |
janders_ | I was wondering if running Lustre via GPFS re-export could be of interest? | 21:09 |
janders_ | I haven't done it myself but I've got another GPFS project going and some of the participants are praising GPFS ability to re-export other filesystems | 21:10 |
oneswig | yikes - could that work? And should it? | 21:10 |
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janders_ | now GPFS seems to have heaps better OpenStack integration than Lustre (at least in some use cases) | 21:10 |
oneswig | If you've paid for GPFS, you might use it natively instead. | 21:11 |
janders_ | I will probably test the current state of OpenStack-GPFS integration in the next month or two (I used it successfully in 2016 but not recently) | 21:11 |
oneswig | Interesting thought | 21:11 |
janders_ | true, however i was thinking of a use case where there is a substantial amount of data already on Lustre | 21:11 |
oneswig | I had in mind Manila integration with Lustre - there are people with this use case I'm aware of. I don't think the GPFS work covers that does it? | 21:12 |
janders_ | no, I don't think it does Manila nicely at this point in time | 21:13 |
janders_ | I used it for nova, glance and cinder back in the day, I think it can do object too | 21:13 |
jmlowe | I'm attempting to conjure Jonathan Mills, he's done a lot of work with gpfs and openstack at NASA | 21:13 |
oneswig | jmlowe: go for it :-) | 21:13 |
janders_ | I will report back as I learn more about the current state of things with OpenStack and GPFS | 21:14 |
martial__ | Magic Mike ;) | 21:14 |
jmlowe | Slightly related, Bob's last day at PSC is this week, he's leaving to go to NASA to work with Jonathan | 21:14 |
martial__ | man, did not know ... good for him | 21:15 |
oneswig | Theres news - good luck to him | 21:15 |
oneswig | Who's going to look after Bridges? | 21:15 |
martial__ | NASA is open? | 21:15 |
jmlowe | Not sure, the other systems guy and heir apparent is also leaving PSC this week | 21:16 |
jmlowe | NASA is openish, I don't think they can afford to idle the HPC machines | 21:16 |
martial__ | make sense | 21:17 |
janders_ | I just realised that what I said about GPFS&Manila is partly wrong: | 21:17 |
janders_ | https://docs.openstack.org/manila/pike/contributor/gpfs_driver.html | 21:17 |
janders_ | it does support manila, however through Ganesha | 21:17 |
oneswig | Good digging janders_ | 21:18 |
oneswig | In the Lustre analogy, I'd love to see an Lnet router in place of Ganesha. Would that work? | 21:19 |
oneswig | janders_: the equivalent page for queens & rocky is not present, does that mean something? | 21:20 |
jmlowe | I think it would, you'd have to write a driver for it | 21:21 |
jmlowe | other drivers fire up instances and export volumes over kernel nfs, so it stands to reason that the framework is fairly flexible | 21:22 |
oneswig | It looks like the config is still there for queens & rocky : https://docs.openstack.org/manila/rocky/configuration/shared-file-systems/samples/manila.conf.html | 21:22 |
oneswig | (gpfs) | 21:23 |
janders_ | oneswig: from my experience, GPFS support is often a release or two behind | 21:23 |
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janders_ | however when I last deployed it, N-1 config happily worked in the N release | 21:23 |
jmlowe | I could see a driver that would fire up an instance and configure it as a lnet router | 21:23 |
janders_ | I will test it with Queens in the near future and will report back how well or badly it works :) | 21:24 |
oneswig | I think this is the person from Pawsey I was looking for: https://www.mail-archive.com/lustre-discuss@lists.lustre.org/msg15189.html | 21:25 |
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oneswig | #action oneswig to revive discussion on Lustre + Manila with Andrew Elwell | 21:26 |
oneswig | OK - move on? | 21:26 |
oneswig | #topic conferences and CFPs | 21:27 |
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oneswig | Tim Randles reminded me | 21:28 |
oneswig | When the summit goes to Denver | 21:28 |
jmlowe | re: gpfs and openstack "It works!" - Jonathan Mills | 21:28 |
oneswig | thanks jmlowe! | 21:28 |
janders_ | what talks/topics would you guys be interested it? | 21:28 |
janders_ | thanks mate! :) | 21:28 |
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janders_ | what versions of GPFS and OpenStack is Jonathan referring to? Would be great to know :) | 21:29 |
oneswig | When the summit goes to Denver Tim's looking to organise a post-summit trip to the baseball for SIG members | 21:29 |
janders_ | Denver CFP... what topics/talks would you guys like to see? :) | 21:29 |
jmlowe | conference call is preventing his attendance today | 21:30 |
oneswig | (but with people buying their own tickets, mind) | 21:30 |
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jmlowe | I'm in for baseball | 21:30 |
oneswig | jmlowe: Tim said to mail him @gmail with your interest | 21:30 |
oneswig | Unfortunately I must leave promptly and can't stay for the game, much though I'd like to. | 21:31 |
jmlowe | I'm interested in gpu's and AI use cases, scientific computing uses of storage | 21:31 |
oneswig | I've heard it's just like cricket | 21:31 |
martial__ | seems right | 21:31 |
oneswig | janders_: I want to hear from anything that pushes the envelope for infrastructure and performance. | 21:32 |
jmlowe | general catch up on other people using openstack to service scientific computing | 21:32 |
oneswig | Are you track chairing perchance? :-) | 21:33 |
jmlowe | I could I suppose | 21:33 |
jmlowe | I should either serve or submit | 21:33 |
oneswig | I've not had the call this time round... | 21:34 |
jmlowe | I don't have any ideas for submissions right now so committee service it will probably be | 21:34 |
oneswig | I'd be interested to hear about people doing HIPAA, Fedramp, etc in production (nb, not just thinking about it) | 21:35 |
jmlowe | oh, that too | 21:35 |
jmlowe | how do you serve medical research use cases while protecting varying degrees of ephi | 21:36 |
oneswig | They are apparently the majority of the SIG (although none are apparently present today...) | 21:36 |
oneswig | That's good food for thought. We should all submit talks to enrich the track | 21:37 |
janders_ | +1! :) | 21:38 |
oneswig | jmlowe: Are you planning to go to Lugano this year? | 21:38 |
oneswig | martial__: given the emphasis on containers last year, this could be a good one for DataMachines (although are you international?) | 21:39 |
oneswig | #link HPCAC CFP http://hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2019/swiss-workshop/submissions.php | 21:39 |
oneswig | I don't see anyone online within 6 timezones of London so I'll skip that one. | 21:40 |
jmlowe | No plans as of right now, usually the director level attend unless there is a specific topic that has been invited. | 21:41 |
jmlowe | I would like to catch up on what CSCS and Switch have been up to over the past couple of years | 21:42 |
oneswig | Too bad you weren't in Berlin, we were all in a log cabin themed restaurant :-) | 21:43 |
jmlowe | :/ | 21:44 |
jmlowe | No broken legs? | 21:44 |
oneswig | It was all "simulated"... | 21:45 |
jmlowe | 2 different SC attendees broke their tibias a few hours after I had spoken with them | 21:45 |
oneswig | jmlowe: anger management course needed perhaps? | 21:45 |
oneswig | "spoken"... | 21:46 |
martial__ | that and bad drivers in Dallas we are told | 21:46 |
jmlowe | vehicle vs pedestrian and Blair's parkour could use some work | 21:46 |
oneswig | What are the Americas conferences coming up? Is there a CFP for the NSF conference? | 21:47 |
jmlowe | most of the nsf resource providers will be here https://www.pearc.org/ | 21:48 |
jmlowe | Chicago this yar | 21:48 |
jmlowe | year | 21:48 |
oneswig | Are you going? | 21:48 |
jmlowe | I don't see how I can't | 21:49 |
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oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:50 |
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janders_ | going back to the manila topic: | 21:51 |
janders_ | I wonder if it is possible to take a slightly more generic approach to RDMA filesytems | 21:51 |
janders_ | so that we can do Lustre, BeeGFS, maybe GPFS-native through Manila | 21:52 |
oneswig | janders_: it does make sense that there are some common challenges. Quite a few differences too though. | 21:52 |
janders_ | at the end of the day, if the implementation involves spinning up dual-homed storage router instances, there might be enough overlap to support this approach | 21:53 |
oneswig | But I do agree, if something was to be created, we wouldn't want a vendor to make it exclusive to one technology | 21:53 |
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janders_ | what's your feel regarding Thinkparq's interest in OpenStack integration? | 21:54 |
janders_ | (of BeeGFS)? | 21:54 |
janders_ | do you think they might be happy to get some of their guys to work on it or is it more like "if the community does the work, we'll help them out a bit"? | 21:55 |
oneswig | I don't know | 21:56 |
oneswig | I know they are enthusiastic for OpenStack support | 21:56 |
oneswig | but I am not sure what they can commit themselves. | 21:56 |
janders_ | ok! | 21:57 |
oneswig | I think they'll do what they can to help. I don't know what that means. | 21:57 |
janders_ | I will ponder this topic a bit more | 21:57 |
oneswig | We are nearly at the hour | 21:58 |
janders_ | we're in regular touch with Thinparq regarding our BeeGFS work | 21:58 |
oneswig | jmlowe: wanted to ask, how is Jetstream? | 21:58 |
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janders_ | I will bring this up when the time is right (I want them focused on the scratch filesystem for now :) | 21:58 |
oneswig | janders_: I expect you know much more than I do then | 21:58 |
oneswig | I only see them at conferences | 21:58 |
janders_ | unfortunately not on this topic (at least not yet) | 21:59 |
janders_ | thanks for the chat guys! | 21:59 |
janders_ | have a good one | 21:59 |
oneswig | time to close, thanks all | 22:00 |
janders_ | all the best in the New Year 2019! :) | 22:00 |
janders_ | it'll be an exciting one | 22:00 |
oneswig | janders_: no fate but what we make :-) | 22:00 |
oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 22:00:29 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-08-21.00.html | 22:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-08-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-01-08-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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