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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 28 16:00:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| erlon | hey | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:01 |
| yikun | hello | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey, look at all these people. :-) | 16:01 |
| walshh_ | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ･ω･)ﾉ | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | So, looks like we can get started. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | I don't have any announcements this week. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You have anything you need to share? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Not that I can think of right now. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:03 |
| ganso | hello | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I will just do our weekly PSA to take a look at the Spec Review list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't had a chance to really keep up with what is in there at the moment. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | If you have patches associated with priority work items having them linked in there would be apprecaited. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I think I saw a couple new drivers that need to be added to the list in that etherpad. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Though I haven't seen any CI from them, so maybe fine to leave them off of there for now. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, good point. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I have seen those patches too. I should investigate that as well. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | I see updates going into the etherpad so that is good. Thank you. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | So, on with the agenda. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | #topic mid-cycle planning | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle planning (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:08 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-mid-cycle-planning | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I realized we hadn't talked about this for a bit so I wanted to bring it up again. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | We have some names in the etherpad showing interest. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Are people still generally interested in trying to do a mid-cycle meetup? | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | yes! | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I think they've always been useful in the past. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | More so than Summits even. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:10 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 but only virtual this time :( | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: If we do it in RTP would you be able to attend? | 16:10 |
| eharney | yes of course | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Midcycle at Eric's house. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Does the proposed date work for you? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Careful, he will make us meet in the garage. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Time to get the pool table so we can use it for a workspace. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:11 |
| eharney | i think the date works fine | 16:11 |
| eharney | :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So we would have at least 5 people physically there. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | We could do that at Eric's house. ;-) | 16:12 |
| tbarron | I'll likely kibbutz, especially if you guys talk about the quota-rework and active-active stuff | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Though, if we schedule it I bet more will come. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Was just going to ping you tbarron ;) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Cool. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Are there other people on your team there that might join? | 16:13 |
| eharney | Rosmaita, and could probably talk jbernard into some of it | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Cool. | 16:13 |
| eharney | no idea about that Gorka guy | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj chants geguileo , geguileo | 16:14 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:14 |
| geguileo | it is unlikely that I'll join the mid-cycle | 16:14 |
| geguileo | as usual :-( | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | :( | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Could you make it virtually for topics that impact you if we schedule them appropriately? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | We'll just assign a lot of the work to you and then jungleboyj can ask you about it every week in the meeting. :) | 16:15 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: that's a given :-) | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:15 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: rofl rofl rofl | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok. Cool. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | I have sent an e-mail to management asking if we can host. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | It would be pretty barebones I am guessing but I am pretty sure that Wifi works. :-) | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | so you weren't kidding about eric's house | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone else in RTP interested in hosting? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | haha | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | That sounds like a no. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. I will keep pushing it forward on my side and keep working towards the proposed date. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Try to see if I can get our hosting confirmed in the next week or two. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Type faster jungleboyj | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-p | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Nova not compatible with Cinder earlier than Queens? | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova not compatible with Cinder earlier than Queens? (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:20 | |
| jungleboyj | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-November/000156.html | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | So, there was this discussion on the ML from mriedem asking about this stance. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Is anyone aware of this stance being made? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I could have sworn we had stated that before, but I also could not find anywhere it was written down. | 16:21 |
| eharney | not aware of it | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | And it was probably from before microversions. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | That said, removal of v1 is so far overdue, I don't think it's really an issue. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | If anyone made the statement it would have been jgriffith ? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | v1 has been disabled for awhile and deprecated for a long while. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | v2 will be another story. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | s/story/saga/ | 16:22 |
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| e0ne | I don't understand the use case | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | That too is a question. | 16:23 |
| e0ne | why nova uses N-2 version? | 16:23 |
| e0ne | I do understand N-1 use case during upgrades | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | I think it's just that we never state anywhere that you can't use a newer nova with an older cinder. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | I don't think anyone would recommend that, but it's not officially declared as something you cannot do. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Anyone aware of any of your customers running this way? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Right. So, was the line drawn at the point where microversions started? | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Does Red Hat or other distros have a policy on supporting something like this? | 16:25 |
| eharney | we only support deployments with all versions of the same release AFAIK | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I think given the lack of response on that ML thread, no one is concerned about running that way. Or no one really cares. Or no one actually reads the ML anymore. One of the aboce. | 16:26 |
| eharney | i think there's always been a theory that mixing versions should work, but i don't know how much anyone has ever tried to make sure it works... | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | abovee | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Gah | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Given my experience with RHOSP that makes esne. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | *sense | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | We don't really test anything other than N with N-1, so there are no guarantees it would work really. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: True enough. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | So, is this just a documentation issue? | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | Matt might want a release note in Nova. | 16:28 |
| whoami-rajat | I think Kolla ansible allows deploying modules with different releases (or even services with different releases) in containers and it's used for PoC purposes. | 16:28 |
| eharney | i think some people would ask, if we have compatibility guarantees around APIs with microversions etc, why wouldn't it work, exactly? | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Right, but that would only start at the point where we had Microversion Support. Right? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Since v3 is our only supported API version, I think that's the minimum. Once there, we should be able to support any mix theoretically if we are using microversions right. | 16:29 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: maybe.. | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | V3 started back in Mitaka. | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | So, in theory, Mitaka or high should work. | 16:31 |
| tbarron | which version of brick do you use when you mix versions of nova and cinder? | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Ugh. | 16:31 |
| eharney | :) | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | The one thing about queens is that is when we got all the attachment changes in place that jgriffith and ildikov had worked on. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | I am wondering if that was why a line had been drawn in the sad. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | *sand | 16:32 |
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| * tbarron likes 'line in the sad' :) | 16:32 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | Lets see if this works ... jgriffith | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | That was 3 times. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So, the summary seems to be that we don't see anywhere that Queens is documented as the limit for compatability. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, I think we're fine with the change. | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | If nova wants to add a release note, they can. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | In theory it could be back to Mitaka but that isn't tested. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | We don't recommend running more than N and N-1 . | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we are going to ask multiple mixed version tests and I don't think we need to change anything in Cinder. | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | s/ask/add/ | 16:36 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | kinda | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Typing hard | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Typing is ahrd today. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | OMG | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I thought you were going to stay hidden. :) | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | He is getting slow with the say his name three times thing. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: nahh :) Trying to distill the question | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Something with new attachments with mix of old and new os-brick. Not really sure myself. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Is there a reason someone would have said Cinder earlier than Queens is not compatible with Nova. | 16:38 |
| ildikov | Not my fault! :) | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | He he. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Not that I'm aware of | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Now the gang's all here! | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I don't know where that came from | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. Cool. Thank you. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | ildikov must have an alert set up on "attachments". :) | 16:39 |
| ildikov | On a conference so couldn't read back on full context though | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Nah, I mentioned her too. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I believe the confusion (maybe?) was that johnthetubaguy did raise points about the other direction (obviously) | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: So you just respond not my fault? he he he. | 16:40 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: don't we all by now? :) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | But honestly the versioning should make all of that work out | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Oh, that makes sense. | 16:40 |
| ildikov | I read a few lines around your ping | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well... kinda; but again versioning makes it kind of irrelavant I think | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | So the answer is just to use v3. ;) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:41 |
| ildikov | And yeah, we put a lot of work into versions | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | Which V3? | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Cinder API v3. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | You mean the V2 we poin to from V3? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | This came about because I removed some handling for v1 from Nova. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | or one of the V3."<insert-one-of-70-numbers-here> | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Once we're able to use microversions, then it doesn't really matter what versions the services are. | 16:42 |
| ildikov | LOL | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | But we need to get rid of v1 AND v2. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:42 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +2 | 16:42 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I thought we already did started that process? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | v1 is gone, but there was still a check for it in Nova. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | That's gone now. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Ok, gotcha | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | And I've started the work on removing v2, but between tempest changes, client changes, etc., that's taking awhile. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for working on that. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | yeah, and the intertwining of V3 and V2 I'll be curious to see what that looks like in the end :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Should just be a few moves and getting rid of some proxy classes. | 16:44 |
| * smcginnis knocks on wood | 16:44 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I think the answer is that we don't have a reason for saying that anything earlier than Queens isn't supported but we don't test anything less than N with N-1 . | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | `cp -r ..../V2/* .../V3/` | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: not that I'm aware of; but my brain forgets things | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | I remember how many things were broken while I tried to remov v1 | 16:45 |
| e0ne | s/remov/remove | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, that took some work. | 16:46 |
| e0ne | tempest, devstack, nova, glance | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Apparently every line we type needs to have a tpyo. | 16:46 |
| e0ne | that what I have in the mind | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Idneed | 16:46 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: it's a Typo Day | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | So, sohuld we move on to the next topic? | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to respond to the mailing list thread. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Python 3.7 Support | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: All your's. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | *yours | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure if folks saw some of the discussion, but we've kind of gotten complacent that our python versions have been stable for awhile. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | That's changing though, and we need to be prepared for Python 3.7 support which will be the default version on our supported platforms in T or U. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | There's a patch out there to add a job, mostly as a pipecleaner to see what's needed to get there. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/617840 | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Looks like the VMAX driver (if I remember right) has some issues, but I think it's actually through its use of taskflow. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | So there's a bug open against Cinder and taskflow for this. | 16:50 |
| e0ne | can we have this job in non-voting until taskflow will be fixed? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | It might be the case that once taskflow is fixed we don't have anything to worry about in Cinder, but leaving the bug out there until we confirm that. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, maybe that would be good to make sure we don't introduce anything else breaking. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: it's VNX driver: http://logs.openstack.org/40/617840/1/check/openstack-tox-py37/dcf0ed1/testr_results.html.gz | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | V*X :) | 16:51 |
| e0ne | ok, it was a typo in a driver name | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Haha, yeah. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | So I just wanted to raise this for awareness. We aren't going to be on 3.5 forever, so we need to be preparing for newer versions. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | What is the bug for the taskflow issue? | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/taskflow/+bug/1780823 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1780823 in taskflow "Py3.7 RuntimeError: generator raised StopIteration" [High,Confirmed] | 16:52 |
| e0ne | I'm OK to have this job in non-voting for now if we're going to switch to 3.7 in T or U release | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Might also be a good opportunity to remind CI operators that you should be moving to running under python 3. | 16:53 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Our unit tests pass, but there have been a few cases where actually runtime has uncovered issues under py3 that were not a problem under py2. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | We are dropping Python 2.7 in U. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | And if anyone wants to dig into that taskflow bug, I don't think they have a lot of attention right now. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | That's all I really had on that for now. Just raising awareness. | 16:56 |
| * jungleboyj waits for everyone to jump on our favorite taskflow . | 16:56 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. Thanks. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Last think I had was a bug that came up. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | #topic bugs | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:56 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1805506 | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1805506 in Cinder "Tempest tests failing with some errors related to cinder backups" [Undecided,New] | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | So, neutron's jobs are seeing some failures due to Cinder backup. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Any thoughts on this given your backup experience? | 16:58 |
| e0ne | I need to read logs | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Mind taking a look at that? | 16:58 |
| e0ne | I'll check the logs but can't promise that I'll have a time to fix it this week | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: No problem. Just wanted to make sure to get it to the right person. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | And, that is all we have time for this week. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for joining the meeting and working on Cinder! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Talk to you all next week! | 17:00 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 28 17:00:50 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-11-28-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-11-28-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-11-28-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 28 19:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| * fungi is on time for once | 19:00 | |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| diablo_rojo | Nothing I could think of.. | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone have announcements? | 19:02 |
| fungi | not me | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay moving on then! | 19:02 |
| SotK | hi | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello SotK :) | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Migration Updates | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:03 | |
| diablo_rojo | I still haven't gotten around to poking at the LP API to figure out whats up there.. | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Has anyone else? | 19:03 |
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| SotK | I haven't I'm afraid | 19:03 |
| fungi | nope | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | My focus atm is the attachment stuff which is further down in the agenda so if anyone else wants to take a stab at it. | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | You'd have my full support :) | 19:04 |
| fungi | looking at my to do list at the moment, i can't promise anything | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Post summit is a busy time for everyone. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Berlin | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:06 | |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-Contrib-Portal-Feedback Etherpad from the session | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes I realize the name is weird | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I accidentally used the wrong one I had created | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | So I just went with it | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-November/000271.html ML Summary of Forum Session | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Essentially, there wasn't anything big we didn't already know about | 19:08 |
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| fungi | it was a surprisingly positive session for a change | 19:09 |
| fungi | people didn't really show up just to complain ;) | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah it was nice that most of the things were small or we already knew about | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Which is funny because this was when that was supposed to happen | 19:09 |
| SotK | haha | 19:09 |
| SotK | that is good to here | 19:09 |
| SotK | hear* | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I havent finished putting the todos into sb yet, but I will do that today. | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, anything else to share on this session? | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I know StoryBoard came up in another session.. | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | opendev maybe? | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | One of the infra ones.. | 19:11 |
| * diablo_rojo rakes brain | 19:11 | |
| fungi | yeah, i really don't remember now | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Clark was leading it I think | 19:11 |
| fungi | clarkb might remember if it came up in one of his sessions | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically just ended up reaffirming that there should be a separate interface for filing stories into that does smart things so the user doesn't have to know all the details | 19:12 |
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| fungi | i think i led the opendev session (sort of anyway) | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | aroo? (sorry somewhat distracted) | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, there was a session where storyboard came up? | 19:12 |
| fungi | at the forum | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | there was the storyboard migration blocker session | 19:14 |
| fungi | we meant in addition to that | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, yeah but it came up in another session that I thought you were leading | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | I think in the context of opendev the idea was maybe we needed to have just a bug tracker option | 19:14 |
| clarkb | which might not be storyboard? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | its all a blur at this point | 19:14 |
| fungi | oh, maybe it came up in the goals session? | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I wasn't in the goals one. | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Oh well. | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Not super important was just trying to recap all the mentions | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-bug-triage | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yes! That was it | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Sorry clarkb it was actually sylvain | 19:16 |
| fungi | i had to skim the list of forum sessions to jog my memory | 19:16 |
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| fungi | they do both have similar french accents | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | LOL | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, there was a lot of talk of task tracking | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | and StoryBoard came up | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else from Berlin? | 19:17 |
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| fungi | there was a lot of bier | 19:17 |
| fungi | i don't remember much else | 19:17 |
| fungi | i don't remember that either come to think of it | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay moving on then. | 19:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Story Attachments | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story Attachments (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:18 | |
| diablo_rojo | Another thing towards the top of my todo list is updating this spec | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607377/ Spec | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | So, if anyone has more comments, please add them now before I do another update :) | 19:19 |
| SotK | I'll take a look later :) | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, cool. I will wait for your comments then :) | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else here for now? | 19:20 |
| fungi | all clear | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Moving DB closer to site for faster queries | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving DB closer to site for faster queries (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:21 | |
| SotK | this sounds like a good idea | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | This topic came up in our blockers session and I brought it up yesterday in the meeting. | 19:22 |
| SotK | it should at least help until we can make things faster | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Obviously its kind of putting a bandaid on a larger issue, but if its minimal effort and helps at all, I say we go for it | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, is there anything we can do to help with this? or..? | 19:22 |
| fungi | i expect minimal gains from it, but it's worth trying and might also make profiling a little easier | 19:23 |
| fungi | corvus brought up in the infra meeting that actually improving the queries without being able to have maintainable testing which confirms they're not subsequently broken is a challenge/show-stopper | 19:24 |
| SotK | I agree | 19:24 |
| SotK | I think we need to give some proper thought to sorting out our tests tbh | 19:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, is that something you can look into in the next week or so? | 19:26 |
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| fungi | he's had a change out there for ages to try and fix the e-mail notifications for private stories, but it's blocked on being able to actually get a regression test for it working | 19:26 |
| SotK | perhaps but I can't promise anything | 19:26 |
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| fungi | (note the fix included a test, but the result of trying to run the test was an incomprehensible failure) | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553102/1 | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I think is the patch you are talking about fungi ^ | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I did recheck the change to get new logs | 19:29 |
| clarkb | (the old logs had been cleaned up a while back) | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ya that is the change | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | clarkb, oh nice, thank you :) | 19:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, if you can start there that might be good. | 19:31 |
| SotK | will do | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I think corvus is willing to gift us more small changes if we can unblock him | 19:31 |
| SotK | I'ol do my best to get to it by next meeting | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, sounds good | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic In Progress Work | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:32 | |
| diablo_rojo | Anything people want to mention here in particular? I think we've covered a lot of the big things already | 19:32 |
| SotK | i have nothing | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/1 Board for tracking work | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Trying to keep that up to date. | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | with where we are all at | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | please edit as you all see fit | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | If no one has things to plug here we can move to open discussion | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:34 | |
| diablo_rojo | I'll leave it open for 10 min or so in case anyone shows up with something they want to talk about | 19:35 |
| fungi | i have a lovely late lunch consisting of some meaty meat pies, so that's where my attention is focusing next | 19:37 |
| * diablo_rojo should probably eat something at somepoint today | 19:37 | |
| diablo_rojo | meatpies sound lovely | 19:37 |
| fungi | i highly recommend sustenance | 19:37 |
| fungi | far more convenient than starvation | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | The debate will be whether to cook something or to go out into the humans and buy something. | 19:38 |
| fungi | itym "go downstairs" | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha yeah downstairs/ out into humans same difference | 19:39 |
| fungi | something to be said for living upstairs from a grocer at times like these | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | The larger barrier is humans. Not so much going downstairs. | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Aside from getting stuck in the elevator like last weekend | 19:41 |
| fungi | oh no! i hope your icecream didnm't melt | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, thankfully no ice cream was harmed | 19:44 |
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| fungi | *phew* | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | I think I am going to call this meeting adjourned | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | in 3... | 19:46 |
| fungi | thanks diablo_rojo! | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | 2... | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | 1... | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 19:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 28 19:46:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-11-28-19.00.html | 19:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-11-28-19.00.txt | 19:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-11-28-19.00.log.html | 19:46 |
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| mattoliverau | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 28 21:00:59 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattoliverau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ hey guys | 21:01 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | this will be another status update meeting. notmyname is travelling so I'll have to try and fill his enourmous shoes. | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | agenda is at | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | Just a few topics and mainly priority reviews and status updates on task queue and losf | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | this might be a quick meeting. | 21:04 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: o/ | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: o/ | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | cool, let's get started | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | #topic priority reviews | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority reviews (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| mattoliverau | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:04 |
| clayg | that list looks good - mattoliverau did you curate that? | 21:04 |
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| mattoliverau | nah, I'm too lazy to do that :P | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | I noticed kazuhiro updated some general task queue patches | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | So last week we talked about adding my multi-kms patch to the prioirty reviews, which I forgot, but doesn't matter because thanks to timburke it's been +Aed! | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: yeah, wish we was here so we could ask about it's state | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | *he | 21:06 |
| timburke | just needs to get through the gate ;-) | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, easier said then done. I was hoping to say it's landed.. but alas not :P | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | how are the pending s3api patches going? timburke? | 21:07 |
| timburke | no real progress -- i at least did some rebasing, though! | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | any more to add? need more eyes for reviews? | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | ahh rebasing is good. | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | also, it has been Thanksgiving so a slower week then normal | 21:08 |
| timburke | eyes are good. https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?S3+API=status:open+file:%255Eswift/common/middleware/s3api/.*+project:openstack/swift is a handy dash to look at just s3 changes | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | also to all you Americans, happy thanksgiving and I hope your fridges are full of leftovers :) | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?S3+API=status:open+file:%255Eswift/common/middleware/s3api/.*+project:openstack/swift | 21:09 |
| timburke | oh yeah! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609860/ is a reasonably cool patch that would open up some possibilities like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610747/ | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | ahh cool | 21:10 |
| timburke | but i need to come up with a better name for the callback than "slo_validator", since it can make modifications, too... | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | slo-matic :P | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | slo-mematron | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | too early for me :P | 21:11 |
| clayg | timburke: the name is always the hardest part | 21:12 |
| timburke | i was thinking slo_manifest_hook but i'm certainly open to suggestions | 21:12 |
| clayg | hooks are good! | 21:12 |
| timburke | clayg: real handy for catching fish! | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | we (old rackspace team) used to use a project naming engine | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | it's where we got turbohipster (for some nova 3rd party api runner we wrote) | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | anyway, now I'm distracted and off topic :P | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | Anything else re:priority reviews? anything we need to add? | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | let's move on | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | #topic task queue | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "task queue (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:15 | |
| mattoliverau | kazuhiro isn't here unfortuantly | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | So not much to really say about this. | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: any chance you had to time to look at the follow up doc patch we want to merge in? kazuhiro wanted you to take a look. | 21:16 |
| rledisez | mattoliverau: no, sorry for that, i've been busy fighting eventlet (but I won, i think…) | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | As tdasilva mentioned, kazuhiro pushed up a new change set yesterday (my time). I haven't looked closely but think it might be a rebase | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: 1 eventlet: 0 | 21:17 |
| timburke | rledisez: you were right, that was a good bug :-) | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: nps, when you get a change. it's just documentation regarding the implementation in the overview_expiring_objects section | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | *chance | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | man, I can't type today | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | let's move on so rledisez can tell us about eventlet battles and losfs :) | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | #topic LOSF | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LOSF (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:19 | |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: any updates here, we saw the eventlet bug and patch you talked about last week | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | clayg looked at it and I think it's even landed already | 21:20 |
| rledisez | so, 3 bugs this week, not all related to losf, but all related to eventlet (one fix merged), the second was in losf (finally was not always called in try/except/finally). last one was in a patch I proposed related to ssync and concurrency | 21:20 |
| rledisez | we won the 3 battles :D | 21:20 |
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| clayg | #FTW | 21:20 |
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| rledisez | on pure losf side, it' quite calm, alexandre is fixing some bugs we discover from time to time. nothing really serious (aka, it's not eating data), some memory leaks & co | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ nice | 21:21 |
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| mattoliverau | no that's good, if your running in prod and it's nice and quite, that sounds like it's getting pretty stable, which is awesome news | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | Finally block _not_ getting called sounds.. well.. rather broken, wow. | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | anything the rest of us need to do to help losf's out? | 21:23 |
| timburke | depends on how hard things fail -- i could *totally* see it not necessarily getting called | 21:23 |
| timburke | SIGKILL = no finally (for example) | 21:23 |
| clayg | "oh, i'm sorry were you saying something?" -kernel | 21:24 |
| rledisez | the process was not crashing. alexandre could give you the details, but it was just not calling finally, and was continuing to run the function | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | well yeah I guess, but when I'm coding I tend, maybe wrongly, that my finally block would be run :) | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | OOM | 21:25 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: yeah i agree sounds wild | 21:25 |
| clayg | alex may indeed have to give us the details - without some careful comments it's likely the issue would get re-introduced if we don't have a communal understanding | 21:25 |
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| clayg | no to mention raising concerns of other places the same issue might exists 😬 | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | but I'm sure it'll all be sorted in py3 :P | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | or go | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: anything else? anywhere we can help? | 21:27 |
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| rledisez | mattoliverau: not for now I think. i'll try to get alex to join the meeting next time so he can gives more updates and ask help if he needs some | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | sweet | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | let's move on then. | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | #topic open discussion | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:28 | |
| mattoliverau | The floor is open | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | anything else to bring up at the meeting, any interesting ideas, problems, patches to highlight | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | any funning holiday stories. | 21:29 |
| clayg | 😁 | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | *funny *sigh* | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | I really should just give up, go back to bed and start again :P | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | *chirp* *chirp* | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | Cool, a shorter meeting, we all get an early mark | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | meeting ending in... | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | 3.. | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | 2.. | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | 1.. | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 28 21:31:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-11-28-21.00.html | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-11-28-21.00.txt | 21:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-11-28-21.00.log.html | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | thanks all for coming and thanks for working on Swift | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | ^ Post scripted opps | 21:32 |
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