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ekcs | time for congress meeting | 04:01 |
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ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 04:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 2 04:01:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: congressteammeeting)" | 04:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 04:01 |
ekcs | topics collected here as usual. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 04:03 |
ekcs | feel free to add your topics there! | 04:03 |
akhil_jain | ekcs: Hi! | 04:05 |
ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! | 04:05 |
ekcs | happy friday! | 04:05 |
akhil_jain | Happy friday | 04:06 |
ekcs | ok let’s get started then! | 04:06 |
ekcs | #topic gate | 04:06 |
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ekcs | just want to give a quick update on gate. | 04:06 |
ekcs | Here’s the discussion on check & gate slowness from a while back. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134867.html | 04:07 |
ekcs | I merged a change that reduced congress CI footprint to help make the situation better and also help our own productivity. | 04:08 |
ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611967/ | 04:08 |
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ekcs | the idea is that if non-replicated congress on mysql and replicated congress on postgres both pass, then the other combinations are unlikely to be problematic. | 04:09 |
ekcs | if we have any issues we can certainly add back in. | 04:09 |
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ekcs | seems like things have gotten much better since two weeks ago. | 04:09 |
ekcs | For example this patch submitted a hour ago is almost done checks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611516/6 | 04:10 |
akhil_jain | yes, it seems working fine. zuul passed on my recent patches | 04:10 |
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ekcs | great. | 04:11 |
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ekcs | ok moving on then | 04:11 |
ekcs | #topic tacker test in tempest | 04:11 |
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ekcs | akhil_jain: you wanna start us off on that topic? assuming you added it =) | 04:12 |
akhil_jain | yes, i have one doubt about it | 04:12 |
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akhil_jain | for testing tacker driver in tempest we need to create a vnfd that would require a sample template | 04:13 |
akhil_jain | like : https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/samples/tosca-templates/vnfd/tosca-vnfd-hello-world.yaml | 04:13 |
akhil_jain | which is quiet too lengthy. so i need your suggestion on how should we use it or where we keep it | 04:14 |
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ramineni | ekcs: hi | 04:15 |
ekcs | hmm ok help me understand the concern. is the concern that the template would be too resource intensive to deploy in CI? or that the template text is big? | 04:15 |
akhil_jain | ekcs: there will be more questions when i will start working on it, but for now this is my primary concern | 04:15 |
ekcs | hi ramineni ! welcome back!! | 04:15 |
ekcs | akhil_jain: to clarify, is it resource or is it length of the template text? | 04:16 |
ramineni | ekcs: thanks :) | 04:16 |
akhil_jain | No, resourse I can minimize by lowering the requirement. but text i dont feel right to add in test file | 04:17 |
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ekcs | hmmmm | 04:18 |
ekcs | I’m looking through tacker repo a little bit to see if I can find how they do it. | 04:18 |
ekcs | generally length of the file doesn’t really need to be a concern though IMO. There are ways to keep it organized. | 04:19 |
akhil_jain | i was thinking of some samples directory or something | 04:20 |
akhil_jain | or if its ok to add vnfd template in test file. i can proceed with that too | 04:21 |
ekcs | Personally I think to start with adding straight to test file is fine. | 04:22 |
akhil_jain | ok great, i can start with that | 04:23 |
ekcs | Those python triple quoted strings can be helpful =) | 04:23 |
akhil_jain | thanks | 04:23 |
ekcs | I’m having some trouble finding tacker test stuff…. | 04:23 |
akhil_jain | i will have to go through tacker. but maybe some functional test is there for same | 04:24 |
akhil_jain | i will share once i find the same | 04:25 |
ekcs | yea they run a funcitonal test… but I can’t seem to find the code for the test. | 04:25 |
ekcs | the config seems to be here: https://github.com/openstack/tacker/tree/master/playbooks/devstack | 04:25 |
ekcs | but I don’t understand it. seems like there isn’t enough information to configure the tests. probably cuz I don’t understand the non-legacy zuulv3 config. | 04:26 |
ekcs | well anyway. | 04:27 |
ekcs | I guess we should move on for now? | 04:27 |
akhil_jain | yes, we can continue later with more reserch | 04:28 |
ekcs | for later reference, this is some information about the functional test they run on devstack: http://logs.openstack.org/78/611478/2/check/tacker-functional-devstack-multinode/5ec301c/ | 04:29 |
ekcs | http://logs.openstack.org/78/611478/2/check/tacker-functional-devstack-multinode/5ec301c/job-output.txt.gz would have a lot of info but takes a while to dig through. | 04:30 |
ekcs | ok well moving on then. | 04:30 |
ekcs | #topic patches or open discussion | 04:30 |
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ekcs | I don’t have other topics. anything else we want to talk about today? | 04:31 |
ekcs | and ramineni it’s great to have you back! It’s great to have your code reviews again =) | 04:31 |
ramineni | ekcs: :) still trying to catch up | 04:31 |
ramineni | ekcs: good to see that monasca webhook driver merged | 04:32 |
ekcs | ramineni: yes it was great akhil_jain and gmann pulled things together between congress and monasca and got things in rocky. | 04:33 |
ramineni | ekcs: ohok, that's great | 04:33 |
ramineni | ekcs: any etherpad for stein items? | 04:33 |
ramineni | targeted items** | 04:34 |
ekcs | oh I also want to mention that the tacker-monasca-congress work is pretty cool especially with the coordination between all the projects. I included it in my update to a TC member which may make it into to the upcoming openstack board meeting. | 04:35 |
ramineni | ekcs: +1 , that's really great :) | 04:37 |
ekcs | ramineni: no we didn’t set any special targets this cycle. but we still have the same backlog etherpad we can continue to update for stein: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-task-priority | 04:38 |
ekcs | as well as the blueprints on launchpad. | 04:38 |
ramineni | ekcs: ah, ok, sure | 04:39 |
ekcs | it seemed like we all had a pretty solid idea of what we wanted to work on =) | 04:40 |
ekcs | but we can definitely have more discussions if desired. | 04:40 |
ramineni | +1 | 04:41 |
ekcs | ok anything else we want to talk about today? or should we end for now? | 04:42 |
ramineni | ekcs: nothing from my side | 04:42 |
akhil_jain | none from my side | 04:42 |
ekcs | oh one last thing in case ramineni doesn’t know we moved to meeting every two weeks. which means next meeting is in two weeks. we can change again if it doesn’t work well. | 04:44 |
ekcs | oh but in two weeks it’s the summit. | 04:44 |
ramineni | ekcs: ok , ya | 04:45 |
ramineni | ekcs: you would be in berlin? | 04:46 |
ekcs | yes i’ll be in berlin. | 04:47 |
ekcs | well let’s do this. I added a space in meeting topics to put down topics. if we have topics we want to talk about 11-09 we can call an additional meeting. | 04:47 |
ekcs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 04:47 |
ekcs | otherwise we’ll meet after the summit. | 04:48 |
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ekcs | let’s add any topics by 11-07 if we want to have a meeting to discuss on 11-09. | 04:48 |
ekcs | does that work? | 04:49 |
akhil_jain | ok noted | 04:49 |
ekcs | ok let’s end meeting then. have a great weekend all! | 04:51 |
akhil_jain | Thanks and same to you :) | 04:51 |
ekcs | ok then bye akhil_jain. bye ramineni ! | 04:52 |
ekcs | #endmeeting | 04:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 2 04:52:38 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-02-04.01.html | 04:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-02-04.01.txt | 04:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-11-02-04.01.log.html | 04:52 |
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mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 2 14:00:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
hle21 | hi | 14:00 |
njohnston | hi | 14:01 |
mlavalle | let's hold 1 minute for others to join | 14:01 |
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mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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mlavalle | Next week I will be travelling to the Berlin Summit and I don't know whether I will be able to facilitate this meeting or not | 14:03 |
mlavalle | In two weeks, I know I won't be able to attend because I will be flying back | 14:03 |
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mlavalle | slaweq: would you run the meeting next week? | 14:04 |
slaweq | mlavalle: sure, I can | 14:04 |
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mlavalle | how about the weekk after? | 14:04 |
slaweq | if we will have quorum | 14:04 |
mlavalle | ok | 14:04 |
slaweq | I can run it both weeks | 14:04 |
slaweq | that's fine for me | 14:04 |
mlavalle | we can work together in the agenda | 14:04 |
slaweq | sure | 14:04 |
slaweq | thx | 14:04 |
mlavalle | Thanks! | 14:05 |
mlavalle | For those in the US, please remember that starting next week, this meeting will be one earlier in your local time | 14:05 |
mlavalle | we are falling back to Standard Time | 14:05 |
mlavalle | Let's move on | 14:06 |
mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:06 |
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mlavalle | Last week liuyulong_ I think wanted to discuss this when we hit the end of the meeting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1796824 | 14:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1796824 in neutron "Port in some type of device_owner should not allow update IP address" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:07 |
mlavalle | so let's start here | 14:07 |
hle21 | mlavalle: i would like community help to review 2 issues for any solutions later | 14:07 |
hle21 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1800599 | 14:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1800599 in neutron "[RFE]Neutron API server: unexpected behavior with multiple long live clients" [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
liuyulong_ | Let's quota something from the LP bug: Some L3 ports can now be directly modify the IP address, but there are some type of device_owner, for instance network:router_centralized_snat, should not allow to change the IP address, otherwise it will make things really complicated. | 14:08 |
liuyulong_ | Why it is complicated, it's because the L3 agent side does not handle the 'network:router_centralized_snat' port IP change for dvr router. If try to allow the IP change for these type of ports, seems we need a lot of work to do, such as change the qr- or sg- device IP address, change the iptables rules, change the route rules etc. And IMO, such IP change for these port is not so much useful, and even it is sometimes not visible to the | 14:08 |
liuyulong_ | normal user. | 14:08 |
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mlavalle | hle21: that RFE hasn't been triaged yet. I will go through it today and give my feedback. Please don't expect us to discuss it in this meeting, unless we have time left at the end | 14:09 |
hle21 | mlavalle: sure, thanks! | 14:10 |
mlavalle | liuyulong_: right now, if we change those IP addresses, nothing really happens in the data plane, right? | 14:11 |
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liuyulong_ | Yes, but except router public gateway port. | 14:12 |
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liuyulong_ | network:ha_router_replicated_interface | 14:12 |
liuyulong_ | network:router_centralized_snat | 14:12 |
liuyulong_ | network:router_ha_interface | 14:12 |
liuyulong_ | network:router_interface | 14:12 |
liuyulong_ | network:router_interface_distributed | 14:12 |
liuyulong_ | These router related port types have nothing happens in L3 agent side. | 14:13 |
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mlavalle | liuyulong_: so the proposed change wouldn't disallow changing the ip address for public gateway port, right? | 14:13 |
liuyulong_ | Yes, network:router_gateway will still be allowed. | 14:13 |
haleyb | sorry i'm late | 14:15 |
mlavalle | I don't think there are many users out there changing the IP address of these port owners. Otherwise, we would have already heard from them | 14:15 |
slaweq | I agree mlavalle but still I think that change this and give user proper feedback on API level will be good | 14:16 |
mlavalle | having said that, as long as the change is discoverable, it doesn seem to hurt | 14:16 |
slaweq | +1 | 14:17 |
liuyulong_ | Yes, but it can change now. We should disallow it as early as possile. | 14:17 |
mlavalle | not executing an action silently is not a correct thing, as slaweq points out | 14:17 |
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mlavalle | what do others think? | 14:19 |
liuyulong_ | And it has some bad side effect, such as IP multipoint installation | 14:19 |
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liuyulong_ | Device IP never changed in L3 agent side, but neutron DB think it is free, then a new port uses it. | 14:20 |
mlavalle | that's true | 14:20 |
haleyb | i think it's fine. if at some point someone wants to do all the hard, complicated work they can | 14:20 |
mlavalle | yeah, if we find the use case for it, then we can do the hard work | 14:21 |
slaweq | I agree | 14:22 |
liuyulong_ | Yep, the current implementation has a easy way to override it. | 14:22 |
liuyulong_ | Thanks to Manjeet Singh Bhatia | 14:22 |
mlavalle | any concerns to approve this? | 14:22 |
liuyulong_ | The neutron built-in l3 plugin supply the port types: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608909/15/neutron/services/l3_router/l3_router_plugin.py | 14:23 |
liuyulong_ | Any subprojects and easily override it. | 14:23 |
liuyulong_ | Any subprojects can easily override it | 14:24 |
yamamoto | how? | 14:24 |
liuyulong_ | Just do not use the built-in l3 plugin or override the port type list there, yamamoto | 14:25 |
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hongbin | but using the same api extension? | 14:25 |
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yamamoto | liuyulong_: it would work for monolithic plugins but not for drivers like https://github.com/openstack/networking-odl/blob/master/networking_odl/l3/l3_flavor.py | 14:26 |
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hongbin | or if the port type list is override, it should present a different api extension? | 14:27 |
liuyulong_ | yamamoto, such project will not meet these port types, right? | 14:28 |
yamamoto | what do you mean by "meet"? | 14:28 |
liuyulong_ | I'm not familar to network_odl, will it have some port type related to DVR? for instance, network:router_centralized_snat? | 14:29 |
yamamoto | i guess dvr specific ones are ok. but your list includes network:router_interface | 14:30 |
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liuyulong_ | hongbin, this is about update port IP, it's L2 API, but port belongs to L3, and L3 do not want change the IP. So extension seems not so much needed. | 14:31 |
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hongbin | i see there is an extension 'L3_port_ip_change_not_allowed' | 14:32 |
liuyulong_ | yamamoto, OK, that can be removed from the list, please leave a comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608909/15/neutron/services/l3_router/l3_router_plugin.py | 14:32 |
hongbin | however, i heard that other plugin can override the port type list but still using this extension? | 14:33 |
liuyulong_ | hongbin, slaweq suggests me to add a shim extension to notify user that there some L3 behavior change. | 14:33 |
hongbin | liuyulong_: ack | 14:34 |
slaweq | I just wanted to make this new behaviour to be discoverable | 14:35 |
mlavalle | yeah, that is important | 14:35 |
liuyulong_ | slaweq, agree, thanks | 14:35 |
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hongbin | yes, then if other plugin can override what kind of port should be disallowed to change ip address, but present the same api extension, this behavior is still discoveralble? | 14:36 |
liuyulong_ | hongbin, yes, it is. | 14:36 |
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mlavalle | it probably is, as long as that plugin documents properly the list of ports | 14:37 |
hongbin | ok | 14:38 |
mlavalle | and BTW, if we implement this, we should do the same | 14:38 |
liuyulong_ | The IP change detection code is right now code directly to the L2 IPAM. | 14:38 |
liuyulong_ | OK, DOC work added to my list. | 14:38 |
mlavalle | That would include a section in devref, indicating how other plugins can override the list | 14:39 |
hongbin | mlavalle: i think the extension itself is the best place to document the list of port types it is going to support, but push it down to the plugin is also fine with me | 14:40 |
mlavalle | hongbin: you make a good point. we can disucss this detail in gerrit. as long as it is properly documented | 14:40 |
mlavalle | yamamoto: are you ok now with this? | 14:41 |
hongbin | mlavalle: ack | 14:41 |
liuyulong_ | hongbin, good point, but like I said in the patch inline comments, it is an requirement from L3 to L2: we do not want these port change IP, we can give the port types. | 14:41 |
hongbin | liuyulong_: ok | 14:42 |
yamamoto | as far as its scope is only device_owner types which are specific to the reference implementation, i'm ok with it | 14:42 |
mlavalle | any other concerns? | 14:42 |
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mlavalle | ok, we'll approve this | 14:43 |
mlavalle | yamamoto: I'll include your latest remark in the approval comment in the RFE | 14:44 |
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yamamoto | mlavalle: thank you | 14:44 |
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liuyulong_ | Many thanks to everyone. | 14:45 |
mlavalle | liuyulong_: thanks for your submission | 14:46 |
mlavalle | yamamoto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1796824/comments/9 | 14:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1796824 in neutron "Port in some type of device_owner should not allow update IP address" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:46 |
yamamoto | liuyulong_: FYI, at least midonet allows updates of ips on router_interface ports. i don't think it's well tested though. :-) | 14:47 |
mlavalle | LOL | 14:47 |
yamamoto | mlavalle: looks fine | 14:47 |
liuyulong_ | yamamoto, thanks, I'll do some code search. | 14:47 |
mlavalle | liuyulong_: I have another RFE in the agenda from you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1796925 | 14:48 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1796925 in neutron "[RFE] port forwarding floating IP QoS" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:48 |
mlavalle | we will probably not have time to discuss it today | 14:49 |
mlavalle | can we move it to next week? | 14:49 |
liuyulong_ | OK, I'm fine with it. | 14:49 |
mlavalle | cool, thanks :-) | 14:49 |
mlavalle | so let's move one | 14:50 |
mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 14:50 |
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mlavalle | ralonsoh brings up this question: | 14:50 |
mlavalle | Should we add a new extension just to modify an integer parameter validation? Reduce the port range from 0-64K to 1-64K. This change is trivial and both APIs (new/old) can coexist without any clash. Review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613562/ | 14:51 |
ralonsoh | liuyulong_, you are just changing the validation of this parameter, reducing the valid range | 14:52 |
hongbin | i would vote for no | 14:52 |
mlavalle | at first glance, from a pragmatical point of view, I agree with ralonsoh | 14:52 |
ralonsoh | we have plenty of extensions, too many | 14:52 |
mlavalle | yes | 14:52 |
liuyulong_ | Yes, I just do not want it too, since patch set 1 is done it in the simple way | 14:52 |
njohnston | +1 | 14:52 |
liuyulong_ | But how to apply this change to the master neutron is the main problem, since neutron does not use the neutron-lib master branch yet. | 14:53 |
liuyulong_ | So copy this changed extension file to neutron repo as a new temp work around? That is totally same to current change. | 14:53 |
liuyulong_ | Quoted from the gerrit ^^^ | 14:53 |
mlavalle | and from a pragmatical point of view, port forwarding is such a young feature, that I don't think we are going to affect many users out there | 14:53 |
slaweq | I agree that it may be a bit too much but from the other side, it's API change - if user now created PF with port=0 and it was fine from API PoV, then it will not raise exception | 14:53 |
slaweq | *now raise exception | 14:54 |
njohnston | possibility for an upgrade check, slaweq? | 14:54 |
mlavalle | strictly speaking, that's true | 14:54 |
yamamoto | what's the current behaviour for port=0? | 14:54 |
slaweq | njohnston: it's not related to upgrade check IMO | 14:54 |
mlavalle | but how many users are there in this situation, reallistically, since we released this a copuple of months ago | 14:54 |
slaweq | upgrade check is tool for operators, and this is user's API change | 14:54 |
liuyulong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613562/1/neutron_lib/api/definitions/floating_ip_port_forwarding.py this simple change is also my favorite, : ) | 14:55 |
hongbin | slaweq: if passing port=0 is considered a bug, then raise an exception is ok becuase it is not considered as api change | 14:55 |
mlavalle | hongbin: right, I think that is the correct way to see the issue | 14:56 |
liuyulong_ | hongbin, yes, for now it is 500 error to user | 14:56 |
mlavalle | as a bug that we are now fixing | 14:56 |
slaweq | if it raises exception (500 for example) now then it's IMO perfectly fine to fix it without new extension | 14:56 |
slaweq | I thought that it's now returning 200 OK instead | 14:56 |
mlavalle | and let's include a fixes section in the release notes | 14:57 |
mlavalle | documenting the change | 14:57 |
mlavalle | we all agree? | 14:57 |
ralonsoh | +1 | 14:57 |
yamamoto | +1 | 14:57 |
hongbin | +1 | 14:57 |
slaweq | +1 | 14:57 |
njohnston | +1 | 14:57 |
haleyb | +1 | 14:58 |
mlavalle | ok, cool for the overwhelming consensus.... LOL | 14:58 |
slaweq | +2 :) | 14:58 |
mlavalle | ralonsoh: thanks for bringing this up | 14:58 |
ralonsoh | np | 14:58 |
mlavalle | The next one I will leave for next meeting, ok slaweq ? | 14:59 |
slaweq | sure | 14:59 |
mlavalle | Thanks everybody | 14:59 |
slaweq | thx | 14:59 |
ralonsoh | bye! | 14:59 |
slaweq | o/ | 14:59 |
slaweq | have a great weekend :) | 14:59 |
mlavalle | believe or not, I will miss you the next two weeks | 14:59 |
njohnston | safe travels, all those bound for Berlin! | 14:59 |
mlavalle | each one of you: slaweq, haleyb, yamamoto, njohnston, ralonsoh, liuyulong_ :-) | 14:59 |
mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
liuyulong_ | bye | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 2 15:00:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
slaweq | we will miss You too mlavalle :) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-11-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
yamamoto | good night | 15:00 |
slaweq | good night yamamoto | 15:00 |
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dhellmann | o/ | 15:02 |
diablo_rojo | Hello! | 15:02 |
smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 2 15:03:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:03 |
smcginnis | Sorry for the delay. | 15:03 |
smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking | 15:03 |
smcginnis | Currently around line 125 | 15:03 |
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ttx | o/ | 15:04 |
dhellmann | o/ | 15:04 |
armstrong | o/ | 15:04 |
smcginnis | #topic Should we allow cycle-with-rc final releases without RC first | 15:04 |
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smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613444/ | 15:05 |
smcginnis | Patch where this was noticed. ^ | 15:05 |
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smcginnis | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/openstack_releases/tests/test_validate.py#n3223 | 15:05 |
smcginnis | I think we talked about it a little in channel. | 15:05 |
ttx | yes, I fear it's easy to miss on human review | 15:05 |
smcginnis | dhellmann: I think you confirmed my assumption that we don't enforce that in case we need to do something unusual. | 15:06 |
smcginnis | ttx: I agree. I wonder how likely it would be that we would a) want, and b) need to release something without at least a cursory RC first. | 15:06 |
dhellmann | smcginnis : I'm assuming that, too. I may just have been lazy when I wrote the validation | 15:06 |
ttx | Also I'm not sure how we'd fix it if we ended up letting one pass | 15:06 |
dhellmann | if we do have an "emergency" we can easily change the release model at the same time | 15:06 |
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smcginnis | Yeah, seems to be safer if we don't rely on human eyes to notice that. | 15:07 |
dhellmann | so I think if we're concerned about it we can add the validation | 15:07 |
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smcginnis | ttx: Did you want to take that action? | 15:07 |
ttx | unless it's extra impossible to test for | 15:08 |
ttx | I can take the action, unless we want it really soon | 15:08 |
smcginnis | Eh, we've gone this long. I wouldn't consider it a high priority item. | 15:08 |
fungi | what's the risk? that neutron almost tagged 14.0.0 when they didn't mean to release this early in the cycle? | 15:08 |
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smcginnis | Yeah. Then if they wanted to make any significant changes for the rest of the cycle they would need to bump another major version in one cycle. | 15:09 |
ttx | at the very least it would be a violation of their release model | 15:09 |
dhellmann | fungi : yes, basically that someone would say they're going to publish release candidates and then they don't | 15:09 |
smcginnis | Which I suppose is OK, but a little different than normal. | 15:09 |
* ttx creates SB story | 15:09 | |
smcginnis | #action ttx to follow up with adding RC check to validation | 15:10 |
ttx | I think it's OK, IF they change to cycle-with-intermediary on the same request | 15:10 |
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dhellmann | right | 15:10 |
smcginnis | That would be OK since they would then still be following the declared release model. | 15:11 |
smcginnis | #topic Summit prep | 15:11 |
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smcginnis | I have slides put together for the onboarding. | 15:11 |
* smcginnis goes to look that up... | 15:12 | |
smcginnis | #link https://gitpitch.com/stmcginnis/presentations/master?p=Berlin2018/ReleaseTeam | 15:12 |
dhellmann | we had a slide deck in git somewhere, didn't we? did you update that or start over? | 15:12 |
smcginnis | I will likely add some more notes and tweaks there. | 15:12 |
ttx | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004239 for the previous topic | 15:12 |
smcginnis | Yeah, it was in the retired release-tools repo. :/ | 15:12 |
dhellmann | I can be present in the room to help answer questions | 15:12 |
dhellmann | oh, bummer | 15:12 |
ttx | I have a conflict, last time I checked... when is it? | 15:13 |
smcginnis | That's OK, it was a useful exercise putting together a new one. | 15:13 |
smcginnis | ttx: We'll just tell attendees to direct all future questions to you. | 15:13 |
ttx | sounds fair... wait NO | 15:13 |
smcginnis | :) | 15:13 |
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diablo_rojo | I'm planning on being there to learn! | 15:14 |
smcginnis | Awesome! | 15:14 |
dhellmann | oh, good, we can tell everyone to ask diablo_rojo instead | 15:14 |
diablo_rojo | Assuming I have no conflicts :/ Havent checked that yet. | 15:14 |
ttx | ah yes, I'll stuck in a "press conference" | 15:15 |
diablo_rojo | dhellmann, I'm there to learn not to teach :) | 15:15 |
smcginnis | Any suggestions for the presentation, just let me know. | 15:15 |
dhellmann | diablo_rojo : the best way *to* learn is to teach! | 15:15 |
smcginnis | I don't believe we have any other release related sessions there. | 15:15 |
ttx | dhellmann: nice try | 15:15 |
diablo_rojo | dhellmann, touche | 15:15 |
smcginnis | Anything else we need to prep for? | 15:15 |
ttx | any session worthy of our divine presence? | 15:16 |
smcginnis | Hah | 15:16 |
smcginnis | I expect to spend my time walking from session to session and not actually getting there due to hallways conversations like in Vancouver. | 15:16 |
ttx | dhellmann: if you want to see how that company used reno, come attend https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22954/zuul-and-other-openstack-tools-used-at-leboncoin-the-odyssey | 15:16 |
dhellmann | ttx: yes, I spotted that one after you mentioned their name | 15:17 |
dhellmann | it's definitely on my schedule | 15:17 |
smcginnis | Oh, intersting. | 15:17 |
dhellmann | I haven't really looked through the other presentations closely, yet | 15:17 |
dhellmann | I have a bunch of forum sessions selected | 15:17 |
ttx | ok, well, if you see something we (relmgt) should probably attend, let team know | 15:18 |
smcginnis | Same here, I focused on forum sessions and will fill in with summit sessions where I can. | 15:18 |
fungi | will do | 15:18 |
ttx | although my schedule starts to be pretty full | 15:18 |
armstrong | @dhellmann: I am interested in learning Reno too | 15:19 |
smcginnis | #topic Next two meetings | 15:19 |
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smcginnis | With travel starting next week and then the Summit, I think skipping is in order. | 15:19 |
dhellmann | armstrong : I'm happy to help! | 15:19 |
dhellmann | smcginnis : ++ | 15:19 |
smcginnis | #info No meeting the next two weeks due to Summit travel and event | 15:20 |
armstrong | @smcginnis : are you given any special training during the summit at Berlin? | 15:20 |
smcginnis | We have a release team onboarding session. That's the only release management specific thing. | 15:21 |
dhellmann | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22855/release-team-project-onboarding | 15:21 |
armstrong | ok | 15:21 |
smcginnis | diablo_rojo and others will be part of a general new contributor session that is always useful too. | 15:21 |
smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 15:21 |
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smcginnis | That happens just prior to the actual Summit. | 15:22 |
armstrong | super interesting | 15:22 |
smcginnis | armstrong: Are you going to Berlin? | 15:22 |
armstrong | let me save it on my agenda right now | 15:22 |
smcginnis | Great! | 15:22 |
armstrong | Yes I am | 15:22 |
diablo_rojo | armstrong, its Upstream Institute- the day and a half long training you've already come to a few times ;) | 15:23 |
diablo_rojo | I see you RSVPed again though :) | 15:23 |
armstrong | @diablo_rojo:OK i see | 15:23 |
smcginnis | I've found it useful mentoring. Still learning things from the different questions folks ask. | 15:24 |
smcginnis | Any other meeting items to discuss? | 15:24 |
dhellmann | did we end up with any b1 tags? | 15:25 |
armstrong | I just got one of two papers I was working on accepted for SANER 2019, but I have minor corrections to submit final paper | 15:25 |
* ttx looks up current reviews | 15:25 | |
armstrong | OpenStack release team was my case study | 15:26 |
smcginnis | armstrong: Oh, interesting. I would be interested in seeing that. | 15:26 |
armstrong | sure | 15:26 |
smcginnis | dhellmann: We had searchlight. | 15:26 |
dhellmann | it looks like I should update list-deliverables to support that sort of query | 15:26 |
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dhellmann | so far it just lists missing things | 15:26 |
dhellmann | I see horizon and searchlight with grep though | 15:27 |
smcginnis | Oh yeah, horizon too since they are still kind of a library for their plugins. | 15:27 |
dhellmann | I wonder how they'll get a beta library to install, but ok | 15:28 |
smcginnis | armstrong: Do you know if the sessions from SANER are recorded and publicly available? | 15:28 |
smcginnis | dhellmann: I try to remain ignorant with all of that. :) | 15:28 |
dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah, I'm worried they'll work around the constraints system somehow | 15:29 |
ttx | any reason to hold on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613038/ ? | 15:29 |
armstrong | @smcginnis: Yes, its recorded but I don't know if its available for the public since its an IEEE event | 15:29 |
armstrong | but in any case, I will record my talk | 15:29 |
dhellmann | ttx: I don't think so. | 15:29 |
ttx | pleas w+1 then | 15:29 |
smcginnis | ttx: Approved | 15:29 |
ttx | thx | 15:30 |
smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/612850 is also ready. | 15:30 |
ttx | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/606862/ too | 15:30 |
smcginnis | I had it -2 so I think it didn't show up in the list. | 15:30 |
dhellmann | I'll take a look at those after the meeting | 15:31 |
ttx | smcginnis: that one is a library on a Friday, we usually don't approve those | 15:31 |
smcginnis | Yeah | 15:31 |
smcginnis | Although we've relaxed that a bit since there is the requirements checkpoint to go through too. | 15:31 |
ttx | ok, if nothing else, I would not mind getting 30 minutes extra time on this day | 15:31 |
dhellmann | wfm | 15:32 |
smcginnis | OK, thanks all! | 15:32 |
fungi | thanks smcginnis! | 15:32 |
ttx | thanks smcginnis ! | 15:32 |
diablo_rojo | thanks smcginnis! | 15:32 |
smcginnis | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 2 15:32:30 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-11-02-15.03.html | 15:32 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-11-02-15.03.txt | 15:32 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-11-02-15.03.log.html | 15:32 |
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